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Speaker 1: their delay. First, let's start here. Jordan asks, if the
Speaker 1: MCU were to reset, no copyright issues, no corporate issues,
Speaker 1: no corporate trademarks, no weird ownership of IP stuff going on,
Speaker 1: what are the five comics slash heroes that we would
Speaker 1: start with to build the first phase? How would we
Speaker 1: do it? Whoo well question, It's an incredible question.
Speaker 3: Do you want to start?
Speaker 2: It's such an exciting question. I do have to say.
Speaker 2: I will put the classic disclaimer. As someone who loves
Speaker 2: this stuff and is so excited that we get to
Speaker 2: talk about every week, logically I would change nothing, because
Speaker 2: the MCU does not exist. If you don't start in
Speaker 2: that exact space. Now, if we're not talking about that,
Speaker 2: it would just be X Men. I think that that
Speaker 2: is how I would start any if I had Jon
Speaker 2: Favreau with no issues, no Fox licensing deals, no almost
Speaker 2: bankrupt Marvel that had to be saved by toy Biz
Speaker 2: and Avier Ard, I think it would be a giant
Speaker 2: size X Men style launch. I think that would be
Speaker 2: your big Poul. You have Storm, you have Cyclops. You know,
Speaker 2: you have Charles, you have Gene, you can bring a
Speaker 2: night Crawler. I think that that, especially at the time,
Speaker 2: like in the two thousand and eight, it would have
Speaker 2: changed the trajectory of how we do this stuff, but
Speaker 2: obviously it was not the way.
Speaker 3: That it went.
Speaker 2: If I was going to try and replicate the MCU
Speaker 2: but with out iron Man, I would probably do something
Speaker 2: like that, but with weirder characters like New Mutants or
Speaker 2: X Force, or you.
Speaker 3: Know, have like a Chamber movie.
Speaker 2: You know I love Chamber, but definitely for me it
Speaker 2: would it always goes back to those Mutants, and I
Speaker 2: think it would be a very interesting old union of us.
Speaker 2: If Marvel Studios had been able to launch post blade
Speaker 2: with the X Men.
Speaker 1: I agree with what you said in that logically, reasonably,
Speaker 1: the rollout for Phase one was so perfect you can't
Speaker 1: it'd be silly to change anything logically, uh, And so
Speaker 1: I would just pitch a haircut. I also, of course,
Speaker 1: like I love the Mutants as well, and so I
Speaker 1: would I might start with a Wolverine story. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is sounding now perilously close to X Men origins,
Speaker 1: but I would start but I would start like in
Speaker 1: the sixties, right, I would start like in the sixties
Speaker 1: or seventies, like Vietnam era Wolverine or you know, somewhere
Speaker 1: like a Wolverine brainwashed. It basically be the Weapon X
Speaker 1: story that would get us into the Super Soldier's story,
Speaker 1: and then you could just launch Captain America from that
Speaker 1: as as a project that was related to and part
Speaker 1: of the Weapon X project, which is just really a
Speaker 1: much more and more underground version of the Super Soldier story.
Speaker 1: So I would like tie those things together, and then
Speaker 1: from there Phase one would proceed like on a binary track,
Speaker 1: on a binary parallel track, right, So you go from
Speaker 1: Captain America right to Iron Man. This is even though
Speaker 1: I'm kind of reversing stuff, right, So you go from
Speaker 1: Captain America to Iron Man, and then you'd go from
Speaker 1: Wolverine to like giant size X Men. So you do
Speaker 1: like Avengers and X Men happening at the same time,
Speaker 1: but like in different little pockets where the X Men
Speaker 1: are doing stuff much more underground because they don't want
Speaker 1: anybody to know they exist, whereas the Avengers are emerging
Speaker 1: at the same time. You know, they have the big
Speaker 1: they would still have the big Battle of New York
Speaker 1: and all these other things that announce their existence to
Speaker 1: the world. And it would be that existence that would
Speaker 1: basically shake up the mutant line of my proposed MCU,
Speaker 1: where you'd have all these other mutants saying, well, why
Speaker 1: are we hiding?
Speaker 3: If these people can be out, like.
Speaker 1: Why can't we just and so that they would do that,
Speaker 1: and that would bring them into conflict with the Avengers
Speaker 1: and then they ultimately get together to fight off Thanos
Speaker 1: or whatever. Big bet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, in that version, is your
Speaker 2: Avengers movie or is your later on like a civil
Speaker 2: war before you get to endgame? Is that your Avengers
Speaker 2: versus X Men movie? In that world, No, I would.
Speaker 1: Do it later because I think the way if I
Speaker 1: was going to do it this way, right, then all
Speaker 1: the mutants are together originally like Magneto, everybody no Brotherhood
Speaker 1: of Evil Mutants. There are maybe more extremist mutants, and
Speaker 1: there are more piece nick mutants, you know, but everybody
Speaker 1: agrees that it's for the best that they keep quiet.
Speaker 1: And when the human superheroes emerge, you have the more
Speaker 1: extremeist voices being like, well, why are we We should
Speaker 1: just come out like this is insane that we're hiding,
Speaker 1: and then that would cause the split that would create
Speaker 1: you know, mystique in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants or
Speaker 1: Magneto going off and deciding that he's going to become
Speaker 1: a domestic terrorist or whatever, you know.
Speaker 3: And it because they're reacting to.
Speaker 1: The emergence of the human superheroes who everybody fucking loves,
Speaker 1: and they're saying, well, why can't why can't we have a.
Speaker 3: Life as well? And then you have those things converge.
Speaker 3: I think you'd have.
Speaker 1: I think you probably do Avengers versus X Men, like
Speaker 1: Phase two, and then Phase three would be your big Okay,
Speaker 1: we need to all twoin together to beat whatever the
Speaker 1: fucking thing is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: I mean, you make a really great point too, because
Speaker 2: the reality is even then in the mid Zeros to
Speaker 2: late Zeros, Wolverine is still one of the most famous
Speaker 2: characters in the world, not only thanks to the comics
Speaker 2: in the animated series, but thanks to Hugh Jackman. So
Speaker 2: really that would be a very good place to start,
Speaker 2: and I would love to see that. I mean, hilariously, Marvel,
Speaker 2: don't steal this. The WGA is on strike.
Speaker 3: Your idea is.
Speaker 2: Definitely something that I think we could actually see come
Speaker 2: to life even.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You know that idea of like the reality of human
Speaker 2: heroes being in the world for like twenty years has
Speaker 2: caused that conflict within like underground mutant sex like the Morlocks,
Speaker 2: even if they didn't want to go full you know,
Speaker 2: gifted Youngster's school.
Speaker 3: Kind of route immediately. So yeah, I love that. And
Speaker 3: you know how like.
Speaker 1: There was the you know tm X before Wolverine pre
Speaker 1: x Men, when he was on a team with Saber
Speaker 1: Tooth and others. Right, you could do that, Bucky and
Speaker 1: just have like all the brainwashed like superheroes in the
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties they're doing secret government shit. You could
Speaker 1: kind of reccon it so that Bucky is part of that.
Speaker 1: You could introduce I mean, you can even make Steve
Speaker 1: a part of that if you really wanted to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, more of a nomad style, like he's not no mad.
Speaker 1: Style, but he's I mean, what if you did it
Speaker 1: this way? What if six one six? If we're calling
Speaker 1: this MCU exists, right, we relaunch, but it's a parallel universe,
Speaker 1: and it's the one you know, it's like the one
Speaker 1: Steve escaped into. So there's like a Steve running around.
Speaker 3: Oh that's really I mean Steve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I Marvel call us after.
Speaker 3: The second often call us when the strike's over. We'll
Speaker 3: picture somebody is. We've got some pis matt osks.
Speaker 2: How do you think all these Marvel shows will be
Speaker 2: combined into a singular movie? I will add parentheses or
Speaker 2: project when that stylized so differently, Well, she hold.
Speaker 3: Dropped the fourth wall.
Speaker 2: When she's in a team up film, even though that's
Speaker 2: so unique to her. Miss Marvel was a very different
Speaker 2: vibe than Falcon and Whin still just stylistically, So how
Speaker 2: do we think those things are going to kind of
Speaker 2: come together? Oh?
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a great question. I think honestly, very organically.
Speaker 1: These are issues that pop up in the comics as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the comics have been dealing with for decades this entire time.
Speaker 1: You know, she Hulks breaking the Fourth Wall in the eighties,
Speaker 1: and when she shows up on Avengers teams or Fantastic
Speaker 1: Four teams, it's the same personality, the same character, but
Speaker 1: you fit the character inside the frame of what the
Speaker 1: particular title is. So depending you know, if it's a
Speaker 1: She Hulk in an Avengers movie, then you would fit
Speaker 1: it to the sensibility of an Avengers movie, depending on
Speaker 1: what the director's taken his take on it as well.
Speaker 1: I actually think it's not that it's honestly not that
Speaker 1: big a deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: I think if you look back to the comics and
Speaker 2: remember what we all love so much about the comics,
Speaker 2: and I will say what really kept people engrossed in
Speaker 2: the MCU was when it branched out of the kind
Speaker 2: of ottomous inspired originality of the you know, the first
Speaker 2: phase and instead, you know why is Win a Soldier
Speaker 2: one of people's favorite movies, because it felt like it
Speaker 2: was bringing a new tone to the MCU. It was
Speaker 2: this spy espionage style genre. So I think that it
Speaker 2: will be a delicate balance, but I would love I
Speaker 2: think you could have she Hulk, especially the version that
Speaker 2: they did in the show, which I thought was so great.
Speaker 2: I could see a pretty serious Daredevil show, for example,
Speaker 2: where she turns up yeah, and they still managed to
Speaker 2: build that in in an Avengers movie. She also gives
Speaker 2: you a great narrative tool. She could be your in character.
Speaker 2: She could be your narrator almost, and you could have
Speaker 2: a really fun time making the audience complicit and more
Speaker 2: involved in the story than they've been before, even when
Speaker 2: stuff's getting wild and.
Speaker 1: They do Yeah, I would almost guarantee they do a
Speaker 1: fourth Wall joke and whatever Avengers movie emerges from, Oh, definitely,
Speaker 1: like you'll have a moment where she's talking to the
Speaker 1: fourth wall, but maybe not to camera and Spider Man
Speaker 1: or somebody's like, who the fuck are you talking to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they'll do a flea bag yeah yeah. I
Speaker 2: definitely think as well. Like one of the things that
Speaker 2: I could see is the amount of times that those
Speaker 2: tones are used. Like, so I think that in quite
Speaker 2: a serious Avengers like Secret War style movie, she probably
Speaker 2: won't be cracking wise the whole time, and she won't
Speaker 2: look at you when an alien does something wild. But
Speaker 2: if there's a Schwama esque kind of in joke that
Speaker 2: they know the audience is gonna look to, you could
Speaker 2: get a gym office.
Speaker 3: Style look to camera.
Speaker 2: I think it's all about those kind of stylistic choices.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it's going to happen because really
Speaker 2: that interconnectivity is what has always made people really care
Speaker 2: about the MCU. So I think that even though the
Speaker 2: vibes are different. I mean, if we look at Miss Marvel,
Speaker 2: especially in the comics, one of the things that was
Speaker 2: so great when she was first introduced, she was obsessed
Speaker 2: with these really rugged heroes like Wolverine. So that kind
Speaker 2: of fun of seeing that joyous, joyful fan energy from Kamala,
Speaker 2: who's also incredibly powerful buck up against you know, meeting
Speaker 2: someone like I would love to see her meet Bucky
Speaker 2: or something, but you know, even someone like Falcon who
Speaker 2: is now you know, Captain America Sam Wilson. I think
Speaker 2: that that's actually going to bring a lot of joy
Speaker 2: and kind of enjoyment to the MCU. Those juxtapositions are
Speaker 2: going to be an additive rather than a challenge.
Speaker 3: I reckon.
Speaker 1: I think that's right, Jack asks, after seeing Guards of
Speaker 1: the Galaxy volume three heads either of your opinions about
Speaker 1: the mc model shifted. Are you looking for more self
Speaker 1: contained stories, whether it be standalone stuff like a movie
Speaker 1: trilogy or a special or does the interconnectivity still create
Speaker 1: the world we know? I'm curious how you feel as
Speaker 1: the scope of the MCU gets wider. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it gets more Obviously, it gets more unwieldy as it
Speaker 1: gets wider.
Speaker 3: I also think.
Speaker 1: The I think a lot of the feel of kind
Speaker 1: of less focus to the post endgame phases is simply
Speaker 1: a lack of a focusing villain, you know, like you
Speaker 1: had Thanos pretty much from Jump driving things forward post
Speaker 1: of you know, like certainly post Avengers, everybody understood that
Speaker 1: was where we were going, Whereas you know, there's significant
Speaker 1: confusion about, like especially post issues with Jonathan Majors, what
Speaker 1: the kind of focal villain is going to be in
Speaker 1: terms of for me, like the I think it's just well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting, you know, because we say, as we've been saying,
Speaker 1: so much of this stuff, parallel stuff that happens in
Speaker 1: the comics Guardians has always benefited and Cosmic marvel in
Speaker 1: general has always benefited from the remove from the activity
Speaker 1: to the main storyline of Marvel comics, like you can
Speaker 1: just do more. And I think I would argue that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the weakest cosmic Marvel is the
Speaker 1: stuff that intersects with like earth bound heroes, like when
Speaker 1: they're just out there on their own annihilation, war of Kings,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and they can just blow up
Speaker 1: into our galaxies. You know, then that's the best stuff.
Speaker 1: And I think part of what made Guardians so good,
Speaker 1: or at least so easy to position as a real,
Speaker 1: like contained story, is that it's in space. It's removed
Speaker 1: from the rest of the stuff that's going You're not
Speaker 1: worrying about like, hey, where are the events?
Speaker 3: Is what happened to them?
Speaker 1: What's going on with the blip? You know, my bakery
Speaker 1: got evicted to the blip, but now somebody else moves.
Speaker 1: You don't have to do all that.
Speaker 3: Kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You can just do the story that said.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think the interconnectivity is kind of is necessary. Now
Speaker 1: maybe you can maybe you can not tie it as
Speaker 1: tightly to things that are going on. Maybe that's a
Speaker 1: way to go. Is not like be beholden to all
Speaker 1: these tie ins and callbacks while still acknowledging that it's
Speaker 1: part of a shared universe. But I think the interconnectivity
Speaker 1: is vital.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right basically, and I think you
Speaker 2: summed up something I think is really interesting. I think
Speaker 2: part of the reason why this Guardian's movie is hitting
Speaker 2: so well, you know, a cinema score, even if the
Speaker 2: box office wasn't crazy, We'll see what.
Speaker 3: That hold was.
Speaker 2: I think Guardian's Galaxy Volume three feels very akin to
Speaker 2: the early MCU in that fact that it feels quite separate,
Speaker 2: but there no odds to things that have existed in
Speaker 2: easter egg form, not in big exposition dumps or this
Speaker 2: is how this all works, but in here's a little
Speaker 2: thing you've seen before. Oh, here's a character you know
Speaker 2: that's very appealing. That's what made people love these movies.
Speaker 2: I personally am always excited for things that can exist
Speaker 2: in that world, but also standalone. I think that you know,
Speaker 2: the were Wolf by Night Halloween special was just so brilliant,
Speaker 2: and I'm really excited to see them do stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I also think it's one of the few strengths that
Speaker 2: you can objectively say that the DCU has, which is
Speaker 2: the way that they've let directors just make weird movies.
Speaker 2: That's how we got Batman, That's how we got Aquaman,
Speaker 2: That's how he got you know, Kathy Ynn's incredible Harlequin
Speaker 2: and Birds of Prey movie. I think that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of fun and freedom that can be had from
Speaker 2: going with big swing, weird ideas, especially when this franchise
Speaker 2: has like thirty movies at this point and millions of
Speaker 2: TV shows and blah blah blah blah. It's always going
Speaker 2: to get im wieldy, But I think the interconnectivity always
Speaker 2: has to be there, and I think in a sense
Speaker 2: of getting people really excited, that's probably going to have
Speaker 2: to come a little bit more to the forefront than
Speaker 2: it has been, even if it kind of As comic
Speaker 2: book fans, we're more used to the weird explosion of
Speaker 2: stories that you get before you draw it back in
Speaker 2: for that slim down, you know, multiversal battle.
Speaker 1: And I think like, as a general principle, the stakes
Speaker 1: need to be in the movie. Like the thing that
Speaker 1: makes Guardians three so good is you worried who's going
Speaker 1: to die? You are absolutely distraught over the horrible things
Speaker 1: that have happened to this beloved character Rocket. It that
Speaker 1: the steaks are in the movie. You want the high
Speaker 1: evolutionary to pay. You'd like, you just want it with
Speaker 1: some of the Phase four and Phase five, which I
Speaker 1: love because I'm a sucker for it. But one of
Speaker 1: the things you could say is the stakes come from
Speaker 1: outside the movie. Yes, it's stakes that carry over from
Speaker 1: another project, or it's built in from something else, and
Speaker 1: it's not native to the story itself self contained in
Speaker 1: the story, and it dilutes the power.
Speaker 2: That's a definite challenge that I think that the interconnectivity
Speaker 2: element brings because people have to be extremely invested, like
Speaker 2: Infinity War endgame style invested to want to know all
Speaker 2: those different things to feel like it's an event. My
Speaker 2: friend William did a great interview with James Gunn at Esquire.
Speaker 2: I'm you basically incredibly smart cultural critic that you are.
Speaker 2: You summed up how James gets people to care about
Speaker 2: these things. He said, it's always about like, it's not
Speaker 2: about the end of the world. It's about like saving
Speaker 2: the dog, you know, that was his experience, and in
Speaker 2: this movie, it's about Rocket it's about that journey, and
Speaker 2: you do these little things that make people invested in
Speaker 2: the journey that you are on in that movie. That
Speaker 2: is I think, think about Tony Stark, think about Iron Man.
Speaker 2: It's about that movie, and then the teas of what
Speaker 2: else could come is so exciting. But I will say,
Speaker 2: even as someone who, as you know, love I love
Speaker 2: a lot of Phase four stuff and Phase five, I'm
Speaker 2: very chill with it. I love to see these movies.
Speaker 2: I love to know that they're based on these comics
Speaker 2: I love. But I do think it could easily be
Speaker 2: argued that the teas has become the primary part of
Speaker 2: a lot of those stories, rather than that steak that
Speaker 2: keeps you in in the center of the story before
Speaker 2: wondering what comes next.
Speaker 1: And about the steaks, I also think that more characters
Speaker 1: should die.
Speaker 4: Not I will say, I agree, maybe not problem, yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe not die.
Speaker 1: Because of course, like you know, one of the spoiler
Speaker 1: and spoiler spoiler Guardians three, spoiler, one of the surprises
Speaker 1: of Gards.
Speaker 3: Three, he died. That was actually a very good subsion.
Speaker 1: This is of course, like you know, Rip to Floor
Speaker 1: and Yolah, and.
Speaker 3: Yes, no established characters before this movie that we were
Speaker 3: expecting to die hit fucking hard. That said for.
Speaker 1: Characters that you were getting flash back like that was
Speaker 1: those deaths hit, but there was turn. It's almost like
Speaker 1: a death in the sense that people left the team.
Speaker 1: People were like this part of my there was an
Speaker 1: advice is over and and you and you you have
Speaker 1: to leave this wonderful group of friends behind. Essentially because
Speaker 1: people are leaving, people have left. That feels like part
Speaker 1: of life. And I feel like, you know, whether it's
Speaker 1: you know, you pick any story that that we've had
Speaker 1: in these phases.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 1: If it's not death, there needs to be, like it were,
Speaker 1: vocable rupturing of relationships that happen because of these stories.
Speaker 1: I guess you could say in Chunk Chi, it kind
Speaker 1: of happens, right, even though like it's only secretly that
Speaker 1: like Shan's sister becomes like the head of organized crime.
Speaker 3: I want to see that happen. By the way, that
Speaker 3: was like one of my favorite post credit scenes.
Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed it as well, but like to
Speaker 1: the more. And this is because I've rewatched the movie
Speaker 1: and I've been thinking about it, but like, imagine how
Speaker 1: much to me, I feel like wouldn't that hit harder
Speaker 1: emotionally if he knew that she did?
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. I totally agree with you, and I think
Speaker 3: you are really.
Speaker 2: Summing up one of the bigger issues that post end
Speaker 2: game MCU has had. And obviously, as we say many
Speaker 2: like this is all coming with love, we're always in
Speaker 2: there on the.
Speaker 1: First time watching it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like we are not out like this
Speaker 2: is not so much of saying that this is a failing,
Speaker 2: But I do think it's something that's very interesting post endgame.
Speaker 2: We all thought that was going to be the end
Speaker 2: of that generation of heroes, but that decisive, irrevocable thing
Speaker 2: never really happened yea, and those heroes have kind of
Speaker 2: stuck around in these different ways, whether due to COVID,
Speaker 2: like Black Widow coming out late or Hawkeye being in
Speaker 2: the Kate Bishop Show because they wanted to do the incredible,
Speaker 2: you know, comic book version that we'd gotten from Matt
Speaker 2: Fraction and David Aha.
Speaker 3: But it's very interesting.
Speaker 2: That that guillotine of stakes and a true ending it
Speaker 2: never really came down, and I think that has kind
Speaker 2: of left this feeling more of a transitional phase than
Speaker 2: people expected.
Speaker 1: Because you leave the stories at the end of them,
Speaker 1: with the characters more or less in the place that
Speaker 1: you met them at the beginning.
Speaker 3: Of the story.
Speaker 1: You know what kind of Forever as an example, a
Speaker 1: movie I actually quite enjoyed. Yeah, I think there's a
Speaker 1: world in which you how many people died in the
Speaker 1: attack on Wakanda, Like you would have militant voices really
Speaker 1: voicing their displeasure with the way the country is run.
Speaker 1: And so what if you left that story with that
Speaker 1: feeling of, yeah, you know, whatever else has happened here.
Speaker 1: You know, we lost to Challa, of course, but we
Speaker 1: also lost a lot of citizens of this nation, and
Speaker 1: nothing will ever be the same. He's like, I want
Speaker 1: to leave each movie with and nothing will be the same?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, and I think that feeling has maybe not been
Speaker 1: as strong as those feelings in phases one, two, three,
Speaker 1: where you left each movie going, oh fuck, like Tony
Speaker 1: and Steve really hate each other now, oh fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Steve literally beat up Tony because his best
Speaker 2: friend killed his parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he just like beat the show of.
Speaker 3: Him on the concrete fool.
Speaker 2: That still blows my mind when I think about that sequence, Like,
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you. I will say I did
Speaker 2: feel like I felt like Eternals offered that up and I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry just saying that. I'm just saying those are fucking celestials.
Speaker 3: I will never be the same.
Speaker 2: But like, but again, I understand that as much as
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that movie, it didn't leave general audiences with
Speaker 2: the scope and scale of what that change was, and
Speaker 2: that in itself means that it wasn't as effective even
Speaker 2: if I loved it and felt like things had changed.
Speaker 2: And that to me stands as a great example of
Speaker 2: letting somebody do something in a completely separate space that
Speaker 2: can be connected but doesn't have to be connected.
Speaker 3: But I totally agree with you.
Speaker 2: I think that that is something that any studio would
Speaker 2: struggle with when you're thirty movies in, you know, with
Speaker 2: multiple TV shows, et cetera. So yeah, I think it's
Speaker 2: going to be very interesting to see, but I think
Speaker 2: basically the interconnectivity will always be there. I would love
Speaker 2: to see more kind of stand alone, own ish stories,
Speaker 2: and I'd love to see them learn some stakes lessons
Speaker 2: from James Gunn, because I think you're right, he knows
Speaker 2: how to tell those intimate stories. Even on this hugely
Speaker 2: cosmic scale, but who knows. I mean, this is a
Speaker 2: this is gonna be a wild time for the MCU
Speaker 2: for the next couple of years. I mean, the fantastic
Speaker 2: formant to be coming into the MCU next year, which
Speaker 2: just feels like.
Speaker 3: It would change everything.
Speaker 1: I mean really crazy. So I mean I look forward
Speaker 1: to a world in which the MCU and DC are
Speaker 1: growing movie for movie and forcing each other to raise
Speaker 1: their level. That's what it is in the comic space,
Speaker 1: and I'm hoping we get there in the movie space.
Speaker 1: Up the next more Mailbag.
Speaker 2: We're back in the X ray vision crypt with more
Speaker 2: mail bag questions, and now we're moving on to the
Speaker 2: galaxy Far far Away. I love the galaxy far far
Speaker 2: love that galaxy. I'd go there even if it's far
Speaker 2: far away. Okay, So Hayden asks rank. This is a
Speaker 2: really good question. This is a tough one question.
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about this getting it ready.
Speaker 2: Rank your top five Star Wars projects since the Disney acquisition,
Speaker 2: Film series, games, comics, shorts, etc.
Speaker 3: Can be any of those. What's your favorite? Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: going to go.
Speaker 1: The Disney acquisition was twenty twelve correct rebels Oh Rogue
Speaker 1: one and or yep, Star Wars on Marvel Comics Jason
Speaker 1: Aaron and then like Kuran Gillan, the Darth Vader run.
Speaker 3: Oh man, that run is so fucking good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole thing Sewel Gillan Park now it goes.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because Gillan's happens chronologically after Suels despite time, right,
Speaker 1: but that is it just fleshes out the characters so well,
Speaker 1: and it's some of the best times I've had with
Speaker 1: Star Wars.
Speaker 3: So those are my answers. Are that's really good?
Speaker 2: I am going to say I am a sequel trilogy, stanky,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm putting Force Awakens at five. I love
Speaker 2: Force Awakens like I delightful. It was one of my
Speaker 2: best cinema experiences. I saw at midnight in the cinema
Speaker 2: where I used to run a cocktail bar, and it
Speaker 2: was just like the wildest read like the exact kind
Speaker 2: of screening you want where everyone when when they pull
Speaker 2: off the sheet and it's the falcon like, everybody screams.
Speaker 2: I love that, So I'll start with that for you
Speaker 2: know what, that Darth Vader comic is really there for me.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna jump on that one that
Speaker 2: was on my list, especially because it was one of
Speaker 2: the few comics where when I was reading it, just
Speaker 2: every week that I got the issue, I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk to someone about what.
Speaker 3: Was going on.
Speaker 2: It's great and obviously like doctor Afra, like getting to
Speaker 2: meet these incredible new characters like the evil R two
Speaker 2: D two and C three po.
Speaker 3: Who I loved.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go and or at three because I think
Speaker 2: you're right. I think it's like a masterpiece. And then
Speaker 2: for me this is kind of a cheat. Apologies, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go for it.
Speaker 3: I think the.
Speaker 2: High Republic line is a high point. Oh yeah, So
Speaker 2: the especially the new stuff. I have a wonderful friend Wren,
Speaker 2: and they really encourage me to get back into it
Speaker 2: with this kind of like second phase and there those
Speaker 2: books are just absolutely they blow me away every time.
Speaker 2: If you're a fan of Charles Saul, he was a
Speaker 2: big part of establishing all of this. There's great comic books.
Speaker 2: There's incredible middle grade comics. I know we have a
Speaker 2: lot of people who have kids who love this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, but the core books, like at the moment
Speaker 2: i'm reading it's path of Deceit, and then the newest
Speaker 2: one is Cataclysm, and they are just like out there
Speaker 2: sci fi storytelling that happens to be in this Star
Speaker 2: Wars world.
Speaker 3: So I just cannot I cannot hype it enough.
Speaker 2: And then coming in controversial as always number one for me,
Speaker 2: last Jedi Banger, unbelievable, it is there. I would never
Speaker 2: take it back. I think that movie is amazing.
Speaker 3: Come on, I think it's so good.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: It's so good.
Speaker 2: Honestly, you know, hate to give to an evil corporation,
Speaker 2: but like, it has not been the dire situation that
Speaker 2: I think many fans worried about since Disney took over Lucasfilm,
Speaker 2: you know, in that merge. I feel like there's actually
Speaker 2: been It's hard to pick five things because there's actually
Speaker 2: been an incredible amount of brilliant creative ingenuity in those
Speaker 2: spaces we didn't even talk about, like visions or you know,
Speaker 2: all these other different fun things.
Speaker 3: Books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff we didn't we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about. I mean, we can talk about the video games.
Speaker 1: I also believe that the on balance, the Disney acquisition
Speaker 1: has been this era has been good for Star Wars.
Speaker 1: It's been a great era for Star Wars period. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Russell asks of all the characters in Star Wars, who
Speaker 1: would you be most and least concerned about if they
Speaker 1: happen upon the one ring on the side of the road.
Speaker 1: For me, Chopper getting his hands on the watering, I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, for the galaxy?
Speaker 1: Really very quickly, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because I've been thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Can a droid wield the ring? I?
Speaker 3: Can a droid wield the ring? I don't know. Could
Speaker 3: chop A find a way to wield the ring? Yes?
Speaker 2: I think the Galaxy's most powerful mass matter, I suppose
Speaker 2: I suppose it.
Speaker 3: Wonders is it just about sentience?
Speaker 2: Because in that case, I would say most of the
Speaker 2: droids have enough sentience that they could be impacted.
Speaker 3: But is it also about having a soul or something?
Speaker 1: Also about Is it also about like metal on flesh,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or like because do you
Speaker 1: have to have an organic body to do this? I
Speaker 1: don't think sourn like. Honestly, you'd be a mind blower
Speaker 1: for Sourn if you ever brought a droid to him,
Speaker 1: he'd be like, holy.
Speaker 2: Shit, and then he'd be making well I think the
Speaker 2: biggest worry is that in this hypothetical scenario he would
Speaker 2: essentially create a one ring that was chopper, you know,
Speaker 2: a shiny gold chopper that anytime it goes near people
Speaker 2: wields the power of the ring because they can forge
Speaker 2: this incredible metal.
Speaker 3: So surely they would be horribly inspired.
Speaker 1: I just think it took. It was such a It
Speaker 1: took so much effort to make the ring, and it's
Speaker 1: so fucking small. I don't know that he could make
Speaker 1: a chopper level droid out of like that was one
Speaker 1: ring material.
Speaker 3: I think it would just take. It would just be
Speaker 3: too long, too big of.
Speaker 1: A project for him. So other than chopper, do you
Speaker 1: have a least.
Speaker 2: About least worried about? To me, it would just be
Speaker 2: like any e Wok. I think they're relatively chill wicked.
Speaker 2: Let's say they're eating folks down there, I will say them,
Speaker 2: I will say, if we're talking about powerful people in
Speaker 2: the galaxy, yeah, look up the root Return of the
Speaker 2: Jedi went the Ewoks.
Speaker 3: They are powerful, they can defeat things.
Speaker 2: But I would say generally, I don't feel like they're
Speaker 2: particularly like greedy or jealous. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: have that within them. I think they just kind of
Speaker 2: want to chill in the forest. So I'd probably be
Speaker 2: least concerned about an Ewok most concerned.
Speaker 3: I mean, really just any of them. There's so many.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't give it to a Jedi. I wouldn't give
Speaker 3: it to a Scyth. I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I feel like the one Ring is essentially going to
Speaker 2: amplify any kind of dark side tendencies that you have,
Speaker 2: so it's a lose lose game.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm just like imagining a Ewok putting ring on
Speaker 1: and then you know, like glad reel this explosion of
Speaker 1: and a really like powerful and dreadful voice going yup.
Speaker 3: Now, and then the musical sequence. Yeah, they're just hits
Speaker 3: with these really pounding drums.
Speaker 1: I go the other way. I actually think that if
Speaker 1: Palpatine had the ring, it would be really I would
Speaker 1: it would be fascinating because I think it would be
Speaker 1: a I think it would be I think they would.
Speaker 1: I think it would be Sourn versus Palpatine because of
Speaker 1: the I think Palpatine is not going to be able
Speaker 1: to let go of the Sith philosophy of the move
Speaker 1: too right. He's going to the way He's going to
Speaker 1: perceive it is here is this ring of power. It
Speaker 1: is linked inextricably to this immensely powerful being. I need
Speaker 1: to sever it from him. I like it like you would.
Speaker 2: Use Palpatine's sith philosophies to destroy Say, well, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know who would win, but I just know they
Speaker 1: would come in the I think it would bring them
Speaker 1: in the conflict. And then I think you're like, I
Speaker 1: think if they Yeah, I think if he. I think
Speaker 1: if Palpatine discovered the ring, it would bring him in
Speaker 1: like irrevocably, into into conflict with with Souron. And I
Speaker 1: think if Darth found the ring, it would also kind
Speaker 1: of be the same thing, because I think Palpatine would
Speaker 1: perceive this as like someone's trying to steal my accolyte,
Speaker 1: Like this other person is trying to steal my accolyte.
Speaker 1: And I think that too would bring Palpatine and Souron
Speaker 1: into conflicts. So I think, weirdly.
Speaker 3: It would.
Speaker 1: I kind of would want to see what would happen.
Speaker 2: You're like, You're like, which one would I watch on
Speaker 2: a paper view the galay?
Speaker 1: Like, I want to see what happens if Palpatine finds
Speaker 1: the ring because I'll tell you he's not going to
Speaker 1: He will not He would not simply accept that he
Speaker 1: has this immensely powerful weapon that is linked to this
Speaker 1: immensely powerful being that is also affecting his mind and
Speaker 1: his thoughts and is trying to seduce him. Like, he
Speaker 1: would not want He would not want that. He'd want
Speaker 1: the weapon without any entanglements. And Sauron, meanwhile, would be like, no,
Speaker 1: like you, I'm going to make you, you know, my
Speaker 1: greatest fucking nasgul. You know, Like that's the thing about
Speaker 1: Saren is he's so laser focused on you know, why
Speaker 1: is there the eye of Saren? I love that metaphor
Speaker 1: because he can only look at one thing at one time,
Speaker 1: Like he's only ever thinking about one thing. So if
Speaker 1: he's ever if he comes in a conflict with Palpatine,
Speaker 1: it's just going to be that. Like you would argue
Speaker 1: that Middle Earth would probably benefit from Souron's laser focus
Speaker 1: being something other than conquering Middle Earth. Yeah, and who
Speaker 1: would I be? And then like like I would be
Speaker 1: actually really worried about an e walk getting it. I
Speaker 1: would give it's a Palpatine.
Speaker 2: But you know what I don't, I don't disagree ewoks
Speaker 2: de chaoic, but I love that.
Speaker 1: I don't I think like anyone from a more like
Speaker 1: from a less worldly culture.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think ewoks can be power mad too. I'm very
Speaker 1: worried about I would worry about it personally. I would
Speaker 1: worry about it. I'd worry about almost anybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would worry about anyone too.
Speaker 2: I just I'm trying to think if there's anyone who
Speaker 2: I feel like is vaguely neutral.
Speaker 3: I feel like Chruebacka is like one of the chillest people.
Speaker 3: That would be fun. What would it be interested?
Speaker 1: That's what interesting?
Speaker 3: I think, Like what would they do with it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Should we do with it? Maybe he'd just chill and
Speaker 3: wouldn't do anything. I think that's kind of your dream scenario.
Speaker 1: He'd win its space chess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, that's it. That's all he wants.
Speaker 3: That's all he wants to do is like constantly win it.
Speaker 3: He's just.
Speaker 2: He's like banging the most like minimal credits, and everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's doing really well.
Speaker 3: As soon as he starts to.
Speaker 1: Lose, he puts the ring on.
Speaker 2: The hollow nasgules, like yeah, choreosks I feel like this
Speaker 2: is the kind of question we all dream about.
Speaker 3: If you could see.
Speaker 2: Slash read I like this definition there because some of
Speaker 2: them obviously you can't really be touching him up. But
Speaker 2: if you could see or read an original copy of
Speaker 2: any comic book ever, what would it be?
Speaker 3: I can't pick just one i'd want to. I obviously
Speaker 3: I've seen.
Speaker 1: The digital and trade versions, the reprint versions of you know,
Speaker 1: all the classic comics that I'm interested, But I would
Speaker 1: love to hold like I would. I mean, I'd love
Speaker 1: to hold a giant sized X Men number one.
Speaker 3: And how crazy is that?
Speaker 2: Read it that that's one of them now, right, because
Speaker 2: that's definitely up there for me.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't feel like it's highly graded. Oh, giant
Speaker 1: size on number one definitely grand plus.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I I've been lucky enough.
Speaker 2: I went to the DC Archives, so I have seen
Speaker 2: some very old comics.
Speaker 3: But I would, I would love to. If we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Hypothetical dream world, I mean, obviously I want to flip
Speaker 2: through like an Action Comics number one, just so you
Speaker 2: can say that would be cool that you did it
Speaker 2: right right, like the Detective Comics twenty seven, Like there's
Speaker 2: the big the big big Boys. Yeah, yeah, Do you
Speaker 2: own any of your like favorite key issue kind of Pig.
Speaker 3: Talked about this before.
Speaker 1: I have I have my first comic that I ever bought
Speaker 1: with my own money. X Men two twelve. It's part
Speaker 1: of the mute mess. Oh yeah, Wolverine for saber Tooth
Speaker 1: round one, it says on the on the cover, I
Speaker 1: have the follow up issue to thirteen, which is the
Speaker 1: actual you know, the to twelve like teases the fight
Speaker 1: with saber Tooth and Wolverine, but it doesn't really happen.
Speaker 1: And then to thirteen they go fucking all.
Speaker 3: Out all uh and it's so cool.
Speaker 1: I have, Uh, I have X Men uh oh to
Speaker 1: future past the fucking that's the good stuff.
Speaker 3: I I love that I have the Yeah, I've I've
Speaker 3: got that.
Speaker 2: I've got one of my other favorites, you know, Jean
Speaker 2: Gray on the cover with with like Cyclops, you know
Speaker 2: those uncanny issues are like the best. One of my
Speaker 2: favorites that I own, which is not even really that
Speaker 2: expensive but I always want it, is the the Cyclops
Speaker 2: Storm Fight issue.
Speaker 3: The cover. I love that one. For me. The bigest
Speaker 3: white whale that I ever got was Love.
Speaker 2: I have Love and Rockets number one, the magazine size
Speaker 2: fantagraphics one. I got that years ago for like no
Speaker 2: money in Brighton. But before that, the Hernandez Bros. They
Speaker 2: released like a zine version that was like a self
Speaker 2: published comic, and I managed I'd always wanted one, and
Speaker 2: I managed to buy one off Gilbert at San Diego,
Speaker 2: I think because he'd found him and his wife Carol
Speaker 2: had found like a box of them in their garage,
Speaker 2: and it was like, and so that is like the
Speaker 2: one that that one made it pretty much any other
Speaker 2: comic I would like to have it, but that was
Speaker 2: the That was the one where I was like, if
Speaker 2: I want a piece of comics history, it's that. But
Speaker 2: I mean, I would like invite extra vision to any
Speaker 2: of those archives.
Speaker 3: We would love to see.
Speaker 2: And enjoy any old comic because it's just magic.
Speaker 1: I would also love to hold, even though I've read
Speaker 1: it and it's not that great.
Speaker 3: The early Avengers run.
Speaker 1: The early Marvel's run. You know, any whether it's X
Speaker 1: Men or Avengers, stuff is a little lumpy and it's weird.
Speaker 1: That said, what is it? Avengers four or five? Captain
Speaker 1: America lives again. They sought him out and he joined
Speaker 1: the Avengers and it's so it's Captain America iron Man
Speaker 1: with the horned helmet. Oh yeah, yeah, hank him as
Speaker 1: Giant Man and the Wasp and also sub Mariners in
Speaker 1: the issue. That was a fun one. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: love to leave through that.
Speaker 2: I would love to see. I think you're right, like
Speaker 2: there's something so magical. Yeah, obviously amazing Fantasy fifteen, Like
Speaker 2: who doesn't want that?
Speaker 3: I would love that.
Speaker 2: The Galactus trilogy, you know, the old Fantastic Four stuff
Speaker 2: from sixty six, which was like issues forty eight to fifty,
Speaker 2: very good place to start with any Fantastic Four stuff,
Speaker 2: But those issues, I love them so much. Like if
Speaker 2: I was gonna if I got rich and I wanted
Speaker 2: to buy something that Kirby had worked on and that
Speaker 2: was my like White Whale, and I would actually bother
Speaker 2: to buy like a good graded issue that I would
Speaker 2: immediately break out of the CGC box because I don't
Speaker 2: agree with grading on a moral level, but I would
Speaker 2: Those are the ones that I'd like drop the big
Speaker 2: money on.
Speaker 3: That's so fucking good.
Speaker 1: Next, Cameron asks, this is an a I think an
Speaker 1: important and interesting I love this question. What do you
Speaker 1: do with your comics after reading them, some might want
Speaker 1: to reroot in the future, but I can't keep them
Speaker 1: all any suggestions. Yeah, I I do this very irregularly,
Speaker 1: but I will call down like I'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the runs that I really love, here's the ones
Speaker 1: that I'm less that I care less about, and I'll
Speaker 1: just give them away. Yeah. Do I have friends that
Speaker 1: have kids? Do I give them to my nephew? I
Speaker 1: could donate them.
Speaker 3: To the library.
Speaker 1: Yep, there's a million things. You give them to your
Speaker 1: comic shop and they'll just resell them. Like, there's a
Speaker 1: million things you could do with them. But it basically
Speaker 1: for me comes down to I just give them away.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that is honestly one of the greatest joys
Speaker 2: as a comic book fan. Look, you can sell in
Speaker 2: your comics, your back issues, even if you have ones
Speaker 2: that are worth like five or ten cents. Probably most
Speaker 2: shops will do you a good deal if you take
Speaker 2: them a box, because you're giving them stock that they
Speaker 2: can sell back issue stock. But yeah, I read a
Speaker 2: lot of comics. I keep a lot of comics. I
Speaker 2: am no longer a completionist, Like if I love a
Speaker 2: contemporary run of comics. I am far less likely to
Speaker 2: buy every single issue unless like the art is really
Speaker 2: beautiful and I really want them in that format. I
Speaker 2: buy a lot of old comics, weird dollarbing comics, old
Speaker 2: reprints of manga stuff like that. That's what brings me
Speaker 2: a lot of joy, and that ends up with lots
Speaker 2: of culling. For example, I bought a really huge collection
Speaker 2: of Powerpack from my local comics shop.
Speaker 3: Because it's just a weird thing. It was like team
Speaker 3: created by a woman and their kids comics. But those
Speaker 3: will be ones where I'm probably gonna take them to
Speaker 3: the library.
Speaker 2: Popa got into something, they got into legitimately legitimate, wild
Speaker 2: wild stuff that the characters that are in these issues,
Speaker 2: like it's like issue like three to twenty five or something.
Speaker 3: There are some wild characters.
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of great teams like Louise Simonson, who
Speaker 2: I love, who created them with Jim Brigman. There's a
Speaker 2: bunch of great wheezy issues. But that's something where I'll
Speaker 2: probably select like five of the twenty that I bought
Speaker 2: to keep after I've read them all a few times.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, libraries are great charity shops like thrift stores.
Speaker 2: Because they always sell really well in there and they
Speaker 2: kind of can make some good money for the you know,
Speaker 2: the whatever cause they're supporting. But yeah, giving them always
Speaker 2: it's great. I don't know how these are in other
Speaker 2: places where it's not always as hot, but LA area
Speaker 2: has a lot of little free libraries where people just
Speaker 2: put up libraries outside their house or a restaurant or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you can put comics in there. So I do
Speaker 2: that quite a lot. Yeah, I think giving them away
Speaker 2: is just like a really great joy And if you
Speaker 2: need it a little bit of extra cash, you can
Speaker 2: sell in your comics in a kind of job lot
Speaker 2: to your local comic bookstore and you'll be helping them
Speaker 2: and they'll usually give you a great deal.
Speaker 1: X Ray Vision will be back, and we're back, Michael Asks.
Speaker 1: I've been reading Marvel comics for years, but I've never
Speaker 1: been able to break into the Fantastic four side of things.
Speaker 1: It always felt so dense. I never knew where to start.
Speaker 1: Do you have any suggestions on where to start or
Speaker 1: how to break into that area of Marvel?
Speaker 3: Rosie?
Speaker 2: So I did just reference a very good place to start,
Speaker 2: which is easy to collect. There is many collections of it.
Speaker 2: You can get trades, you can read it on Marvel Unlimited.
Speaker 2: That is the Galactus Trilogy, which is the three issues
Speaker 2: that introduced kind of that cosmic aspect of the Fantastic Four,
Speaker 2: which was in Fantastic Four.
Speaker 3: The early days. I believe that the issues were I
Speaker 3: literally just said them.
Speaker 2: But of course now I remember, yes, forty eight to fifty,
Speaker 2: and you're not gonna find those issues in a back
Speaker 2: issue being because there worth thousands and thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2: But there are many collections. I will also say, go
Speaker 2: for a trade of any comic is a great place
Speaker 2: to start.
Speaker 3: There are so many good.
Speaker 2: Fantastic Four stories, and a lot of times Marvel will
Speaker 2: do an omnibus.
Speaker 3: If you like the art, just pick it up. You're
Speaker 3: never gonna.
Speaker 2: I should not say that. Many people do this, and
Speaker 2: I have so much respect for them. It is unlikely
Speaker 2: that you're ever gonna read any comic arc at this
Speaker 2: point of a character from the first ever issue that
Speaker 2: came out now eighty.
Speaker 3: Years ago to now.
Speaker 2: That's not the way that comics, luckily for all of us,
Speaker 2: have been made. There are many different great stories, other
Speaker 2: really incredible stories that you know you can check into.
Speaker 2: Is there is a Stanley and Jack Kirby did over
Speaker 2: one hundred issues consecutive on The Fantastic Four, so any
Speaker 2: of that stuff is good. One of the stories that
Speaker 2: people really loves, I love the Galactus trilogy. But one
Speaker 2: of the stories people really love is this Man, This Monster,
Speaker 2: This Monster, which is really about you know, Ben Grimm
Speaker 2: and the Thing and you have so many icons there,
Speaker 2: Joe Sinner and Artie Simmes, such a.
Speaker 3: Stage for Ben Grimm is a tragic character. Is that
Speaker 3: literally marvel grounded stuff that really gets people excited.
Speaker 2: Another one that I really like is I really like
Speaker 2: anything what Simonson did, but he often he's him and
Speaker 2: him and Wheezy are like one of my they're my
Speaker 2: all time favorite, some of my old time favorite comment creators.
Speaker 2: He did one called Into the Time Stream, which was
Speaker 2: part after Avengers.
Speaker 3: He ended up.
Speaker 2: Moving to Fantastic for him and because he'd never gotten
Speaker 2: to put for you, didn't sue on the Avengers like
Speaker 2: he wanted to. And there's a lot of Kang's a
Speaker 2: TV's a storyline. Yeah yeah, yeah, Big Ultimate Nullifier can
Speaker 2: the TVA and it's just what it is, like brilliant.
Speaker 2: He's a great cartoonist. He's a great writer, So I
Speaker 2: think that's really fun. I'm not the hugest Ultimates fan
Speaker 2: in general in hindsight, as I find it all a
Speaker 2: bit dark, but I do know a lot of people
Speaker 2: love Ultimate Fantastic Four.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 1: If I'll say this, it's good if you want a
Speaker 1: very definite starting point. That said, it's like, uh.
Speaker 3: Read Richards is evil. There's no other way to put it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's kind of evil, and so that will.
Speaker 3: Color your may color your perception of the came.
Speaker 2: Oh there's also like a weird Grant Morrison Jay Lee
Speaker 2: Fantastic four book one, two, three, four, it's very visible z,
Speaker 2: very mettery. So I just think the good thing is
Speaker 2: with these characters that have been around for like eighty
Speaker 2: five years, you know, like a really long time at
Speaker 2: this point, there's gonna be something for everyone. But I
Speaker 2: do think Fantastic four is one of the few Marvel
Speaker 2: heroes where I really do think you can find something
Speaker 2: to love in the earliest stuff. Like you were saying before, Jason,
Speaker 2: like a lot of that stuff can be kind of
Speaker 2: clunky or like very racist, more so in DC, but
Speaker 2: like the early Fantastic Four stuff that there really is interesting, cool, weird,
Speaker 2: incredible sci fi shit there because that is what Jack
Speaker 2: Kirby was best at. So you can really get some
Speaker 2: very special stories there, and the joy of comics, a
Speaker 2: lot of them are just too three issues long. So
Speaker 2: if you have a Marvel Unlimited account, you can even
Speaker 2: just search those titles, the Galactus Trilogy, stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and it should recommend you those issues.
Speaker 1: I agree with everything you said. I would add if
Speaker 1: you're looking for contemporary entry points, you know Mark Wade's Run,
Speaker 1: and then I would start there because that takes you
Speaker 1: into Jonathan Hickman's run. But you could just start with
Speaker 1: with Mark Wade's Run, which I think is like early
Speaker 1: two thousands to mid two thousands and is a good
Speaker 1: entry point with all the kind of weird stuff, weird
Speaker 1: galactic stuff, family drama that happens within the kid Fantastic
Speaker 1: for the kids. And then if you want something that's
Speaker 1: kind of like adjacent but not the Fantastic Four is
Speaker 1: ff by Matt Fraction and Mike and the wonderful Mike
Speaker 1: Alred Zenie illustration style is always really really appealed to me,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like an adjacent you know, it's
Speaker 1: the Future foundation. So it's like an it's fantastic, were
Speaker 1: adjacent and is really fun, And like Mike alread anything
Speaker 1: he draw us, I'll.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, anything, I will literally pick it up. Also,
Speaker 2: I will just finally say adjacent stuff. Any Silver Surfer comic,
Speaker 2: but especially like the Ron Limb Silver Surfer stuff from
Speaker 2: the nineties is really really great, and Silver Surfer is
Speaker 2: very fantastic for adjacent but not necessarily like really into
Speaker 2: the FF. That's kind of how I got into Marvel.
Speaker 2: The Marvel's First Family was really more through that Marvel
Speaker 2: Cosmic era. So I think that's a great tip Jason.
Speaker 2: You can find your ways in that aren't necessarily just
Speaker 2: the Core four and then.
Speaker 1: John Byrne run you know, if you want to go
Speaker 1: back maybe and do something that's like maybe maybe it
Speaker 1: feels like less. I'll do this sometimes where I'll just
Speaker 1: like I'll pick an arc from the Silver Age or
Speaker 1: something like that from the eighties or seventies because there's
Speaker 1: just a less to keep track of, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just like less continuity back then, and so
Speaker 1: the John and stuff is a good entry point and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of fun changes, you know, like she
Speaker 1: hulped joins the team. There's a lot of like fun
Speaker 1: stuff during him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is worthwhile.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's the DCU. It's time for the DCU. We're moving,
Speaker 2: We're moving universes. I I really love that this is
Speaker 2: the singular Camilla asks the singular question about the DCU,
Speaker 2: and I think right now, with the state of the DCU.
Speaker 3: I think that's fair and I think that's good.
Speaker 2: And she asks the kind of question that we absolutely
Speaker 2: love to theorize about. Please know, studios steal our ideas
Speaker 2: again WGA's on strike. Camilla asks, thinking about James Gunn's
Speaker 2: statement regarding a potential Marvel DC crossover in a future Oh,
Speaker 2: the crowd goes mad. What would be your dream crossover
Speaker 2: in case this could ever potentially happen?
Speaker 3: Do you have a pitch? Do you have an in
Speaker 3: the pocket pitch that you keep there wait in in
Speaker 3: case James gun and Kevin Fage ever give you the call?
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard, right, because there have been several crossover.
Speaker 3: Yes, in the comics.
Speaker 2: There is an established its precedent of this happening.
Speaker 4: It's and the stories are always like, not great, but
Speaker 4: it's like that fun and teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the movies would be a cash grab too. I
Speaker 1: think you would have.
Speaker 3: To just like.
Speaker 1: The heroes are ostensibly teaming up because like, of course
Speaker 1: they'd fight a little bit, but that's like not that fun.
Speaker 3: Because Benja's bessus Justice League. But the fight is really
Speaker 3: between that.
Speaker 1: Because nobody can really win, Like it's just you can't
Speaker 1: actually have anybody win. So I think the thing to
Speaker 1: do is you have the villain's team up to, like
Speaker 1: you know, so it's like it's like that it was
Speaker 1: a dark side, Yes, exactly together.
Speaker 3: It's especially fun if you do it with characters that
Speaker 3: like which one was real? I need?
Speaker 1: This is so you get the villain. I think you
Speaker 1: make it a villain team up that that is the
Speaker 1: motivating factor for the heroes teaming up. That's what I
Speaker 1: would pitch. I would make it villain centric. I'd start
Speaker 1: with the villains and then work to the heroes because
Speaker 1: I think it makes the heroes. Yeah, that's that's how
Speaker 1: I would do it. And it would be like something
Speaker 1: like you know, I guess it would have to be
Speaker 1: like the destruction of some entire universe something. It would
Speaker 1: have to the stakes would have to because it is
Speaker 1: really in the comics. It is such a cash grab it.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, like, and you sometimes get brilliant
Speaker 2: awest like George Perez, what can these things?
Speaker 3: You know? So mine?
Speaker 2: This is and and this here is why I will
Speaker 2: likely never work in these industries in any serious way,
Speaker 2: because if I did actually get asked to pitch on this,
Speaker 2: I would absolutely go there and be like, let's do
Speaker 2: a swamp thing and Marvels giant sized man thing crossover,
Speaker 2: and like nobody wants.
Speaker 3: That, and I would be like, but I want it.
Speaker 2: I think you could do something really cool with the
Speaker 2: weird I think you sum up the biggest problem. You
Speaker 2: can't really have Captain America and Superman fight each other one.
Speaker 2: They can't put up way too many questions.
Speaker 3: Superman is a god.
Speaker 2: The mythology aspects of the DC heroes ostensibly make them
Speaker 2: way more overpowered than any of the Marvel heroes. No matter,
Speaker 2: even if you haven't a mega level mutant. It it
Speaker 2: becomes very messy, very quickly. And I think that you
Speaker 2: would really need to have a long term, like two
Speaker 2: year long story arc to cut that kind of chop
Speaker 2: that all up. So I think the weird stuff is
Speaker 2: going to be the best stuff. I love your villain call.
Speaker 2: I think that would be great. I'd love to see
Speaker 2: like the Joker and Magneto and how those interact. That
Speaker 2: would be fucking crazy right, Like would be cool.
Speaker 3: I think that's the kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So I think for me it would be like I
Speaker 2: would love to see DC's occult characters like swamp Thing
Speaker 2: and John Constantine teaming up with like the Marvel cosmic characters,
Speaker 2: because the reality is Marvel doesn't have as deep tradition
Speaker 2: of occult storytelling in the like who are you going
Speaker 2: to do, Doctor Druid? Like nobody even knows who that
Speaker 2: is apart from me, Like, so yeah, I would be
Speaker 2: going for the weird shit. I want to see swamp
Speaker 2: Thing and man Thing team up. I also still blows
Speaker 2: my mind that Marvel did like a big contemporary man
Speaker 2: Thing in an official.
Speaker 3: Way before DC did. It's so cheeky.
Speaker 2: I love the DC swamp Thing show. Everybody knows it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that would be mine. I'd go for the
Speaker 2: weird stuff because I think you're right. To really make
Speaker 2: it hit, you have to go deep cut. You have
Speaker 2: to bring together characters that complement each other, that have
Speaker 2: this kind of Metatech's Dark Side and Thanos. That's so
Speaker 2: much fun these kind of Jim Stalin, Yeah, it's so much.
Speaker 2: It would just there's so much fun to be had
Speaker 2: with it. And I think that while we know that
Speaker 2: when we do get it, it will be Justice League
Speaker 2: versus the Avengers, i'd love a world where that wasn't
Speaker 2: the first one.
Speaker 1: Now I said that no one can really win. They
Speaker 1: do kind of win, like you know, when nay More
Speaker 1: fought Aquaman, I think Aquaman won.
Speaker 3: Like there were winners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like but but it was also it
Speaker 1: felt very like you.
Speaker 3: Win one, then do I win? Exactly?
Speaker 1: You win one, then I win one, then you and
Speaker 1: and there was really no kind of there's no juice
Speaker 1: to it. So you want them to fight like a
Speaker 1: really good collection of villains, and honestly, like as you said,
Speaker 1: the DC and Marvel villains teaming up, that's the thing
Speaker 1: that we don't really that's.
Speaker 3: Kind of never been done.
Speaker 2: You know, it would be so much especially if you
Speaker 2: did it as if you had it more of like
Speaker 2: a phase of the movies, so you could really team
Speaker 2: up weird characters together who worked really well together and
Speaker 2: kind of really get to explore what makes them tick,
Speaker 2: and how how somebody like Lex Luthor who fights against
Speaker 2: Superman differs from you know, someone in the Marvel universe
Speaker 2: like Kingpin, and how he goes against the Devil. I
Speaker 2: would love to see those interactions. I mean, it's the
Speaker 2: dream sandbox, and I do think that's probably a large
Speaker 2: part of what DC was interested in James coming on
Speaker 2: because he already has that established connection with Marvel.
Speaker 3: If these movies keep.
Speaker 2: Moving further away from the billion dollar mark, we could
Speaker 2: be seeing a Marvel DC crossover sooner rather than later.
Speaker 3: I mean, it would be a cash bonanza.
Speaker 2: It would be the first three billion dollar movie if
Speaker 2: they did it right. Let's be real like that shit
Speaker 2: would be in cinemas longer than Avatar, Joe My God,
Speaker 2: James Cameron's JLA Versus Versus the Avengers.
Speaker 3: WHOA what a time?
Speaker 2: A asks? I can sometimes be burnt out from surfing
Speaker 2: the waves of the big ip content ocean. Oh can't
Speaker 2: We all would love to hear what we think are
Speaker 2: some of the best standalone original story genre films and
Speaker 2: shows that may have gotten lost in all this plethora
Speaker 2: in the last few years. I need a little bit
Speaker 2: more appreciation.
Speaker 1: I mentioned this book before on a previous pod, but
Speaker 1: I loved Christopher Buelman's The black Ton Thief.
Speaker 3: Oh ma'am our discod went crazy for her. It's so good.
Speaker 3: After you recommend that, it's.
Speaker 1: So good good, and you know, the world building's fantastic.
Speaker 1: It's just the right level of world building where it
Speaker 1: informs and enriches the story. And the story itself is
Speaker 1: heartbreaking and adventurous and swashbuckling. Are really great, And it
Speaker 1: concerns a thief who is working off a debt to
Speaker 1: the Thieves Guild. The Thieves Guild is a one of
Speaker 1: the very very powerful kind of organizations in this world,
Speaker 1: along with the Magicians Guild, and in fact might be
Speaker 1: more powerful than many kings and rulers in this world, suspect.
Speaker 3: And so this thief is, because of.
Speaker 1: The debt that he has to work off, is given
Speaker 1: a mission that takes all kinds of twists and turns.
Speaker 1: And this all takes place against the backdrop of several
Speaker 1: devastating wars against against these like orc like beings that
Speaker 1: have essentially devastated various kingdoms in the world. And it's
Speaker 1: just really really good. It's really really fun, really really
Speaker 1: well written. I started reading his other story Between Two Fires,
Speaker 1: which is more of like a medieval kind of like
Speaker 1: true crime story. But that's the one that immediately jumps
Speaker 1: to mind. Oh and if you're if we're talking about
Speaker 1: like TV shows and stuff, The Peripheral, which was on
Speaker 1: Amazon Prime was super undertalked about and I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: For All Mankind is a great, great show on Apple
Speaker 1: TV Plus that is like, you know, explores a world
Speaker 1: in which the Soviets get to the Moon before the
Speaker 1: US and all the twists and turns that takes, you know,
Speaker 1: like the essential like the log line is basically like
Speaker 1: how does Starfleet start?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: That's what what the show is about.
Speaker 3: And it's really great. Those would be the ones that
Speaker 3: immediately come to mind. What about what About You?
Speaker 2: That is so One of my favorite movies from the
Speaker 2: last few years is this really incredible Canadian zombie movie
Speaker 2: called Blood Quantum by indigenous direct called Jeff Barnaby, who
Speaker 2: sadly passed away this year. Are super bummed out because
Speaker 2: he's a really great guy and just incredible filmmaker. But
Speaker 2: it is set on a reservation and the essential short
Speaker 2: pitch is like what if this native community was immune
Speaker 2: and everybody outside was not. And it is brutal, it's bloody,
Speaker 2: it's incredible practical effects, it's super thoughtful. I think it's
Speaker 2: like one of the best horror movies over the last
Speaker 2: ten years. It's so brilliant. I believe it's probably on Shudder.
Speaker 2: I think that was where I saw it. I think
Speaker 2: it's from twenty nineteen. Just such a joy. Jeff had
Speaker 2: another really great movie too, which you can see called
Speaker 2: Rhymes for Young Gruls. Those were the two movies he
Speaker 2: got to make. And Blood Quantum I just think is
Speaker 2: so great and I think it will go down in
Speaker 2: history as like a.
Speaker 3: Really really brilliant film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so badass, and it's really cool, and it's
Speaker 2: short and it's snappy, and it's a great gory horror movie,
Speaker 2: if that's what you love. But it has a lot
Speaker 2: of interesting shit to say too, like all the best
Speaker 2: horror I loved. If we're talking about TV, I loved
Speaker 2: Poker Face obviously very much in the tradition of Colombo
Speaker 2: and those kind of you know, the fugitive, those kind
Speaker 2: of story of the week shows. But I thought it
Speaker 2: was really exciting and interesting. They bought in great guest cast.
Speaker 2: Every episode is super fun. Natasha Leone is great in
Speaker 2: the main role. Just a really fun watch. It didn't
Speaker 2: necessarily hit in the same I'm a in case you
Speaker 2: didn't know. I really love a certain kind of storytelling
Speaker 2: that kind of has a radical imagination outside of the police.
Speaker 2: And even something like Colombo, which was so deeply inspired by,
Speaker 2: has its own strange moral compass about the wealthy and
Speaker 2: who Colombo goes after, and it's very interesting to kind
Speaker 2: of pick into. I didn't feel like poke Face necessarily
Speaker 2: had that, but it did have a ton of really
Speaker 2: badass cast, an incredible set of murder mysteries. Ryan Johnson
Speaker 2: and Natasha were behind it, and obviously Ryan's like killing
Speaker 2: it with glass Onion, which I loved, and all those
Speaker 2: kind of murder mystery things that he has done before,
Speaker 2: like Brick. So it's just really fun. Just some of
Speaker 2: the best made TV that I think has come out
Speaker 2: in the last year. So both of those very high
Speaker 2: on my list. Totally different vibes, but just really enjoyable.
Speaker 1: A couple more genre things. You know, as I read
Speaker 1: a lot, so Patrick Hoffman is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: crime authors to emerge in recent years. His third novel,
Speaker 1: Clean Hands, is out and it is If you liked
Speaker 1: Michael Clayton, you will like this novel that kind of
Speaker 1: delves into counterintelligence, but from a private angle, like corporate
Speaker 1: private intelligence, the lengths that corporate powers and the wealthy
Speaker 1: will go to protect their business dealings.
Speaker 3: What happens to spies when they are no longer working
Speaker 3: for the government.
Speaker 1: Who do they sell their who do they sell their
Speaker 1: skills too? And it's all kind of tied up in
Speaker 1: this very very sleek, very very brutal crime suspense narrative
Speaker 1: that is really fun. I love his style of writing.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. Not necessarily a genre book, but definitely part
Speaker 1: of the theme of like wealth and.
Speaker 3: The way that.
Speaker 1: The perspective of powerful men kind of dominates the public conversation.
Speaker 1: Is a book called Trust by her Nan Diez. It's
Speaker 1: three books in one kind of It begins with a
Speaker 1: book that is a book within a book. It's this
Speaker 1: purported to be this biography of a rich industrialist capitalist guy.
Speaker 1: Right then comes the second part of the book, so
Speaker 1: that's like the first hundred The second part of the
Speaker 1: book is the autobiography of the actual capitalist industrialist.
Speaker 3: He says this book that this.
Speaker 1: Other person put out about me. I hate that fucking book.
Speaker 1: I set the record straight, and so like the second
Speaker 1: part is this industrialist like setting the record straight. And
Speaker 1: then the third part of it is from the perspective
Speaker 1: of the writer, the industrialist hired to ghostwrite his story.
Speaker 1: Is all the truth of it, all the things that
Speaker 1: got hidden away, the relationship that this capitalist had with
Speaker 1: his wife that is definitely not.
Speaker 3: What was presented to the public.
Speaker 1: And it just kind of like unveils itself very very
Speaker 1: steadily and with gathering power. Uh. And is a book
Speaker 1: that I've like not really been able to get out
Speaker 1: of my head since reading it, really really.
Speaker 3: And I just won the Putt Surprize.
Speaker 1: Did it just win the And it just so listen,
Speaker 1: if you're a tults are Head, if you're a Putts
Speaker 1: are Heads, a completionist, then uh then uh then you
Speaker 1: will like this book. This was recommended to me by
Speaker 1: Greta Johnson, who I co host the House of the
Speaker 1: Dragon podcast with. And it's really really just fucking great.
Speaker 1: Knocked me out. It's just a book that really really
Speaker 1: really knocked me out. As you're playing each other in
Speaker 1: a three verse three basketball game, the winner gets a
Speaker 1: Greek island with their brother in law. What succession characters
Speaker 1: are you picking as your other two teammates. We know
Speaker 1: they'll play dirty or Marvel characters. If you think that'd
Speaker 1: be more interesting entertaining, well let's go with succession.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you want to do a draft? Do you
Speaker 3: want to start first?
Speaker 1: To you draft?
Speaker 3: You get a player and then I'll play a player. Yeah,
Speaker 3: my first player.
Speaker 2: He's tall, he's dangerous. Oh interesting you, I'm switching it out.
Speaker 1: I'll take he is what is he six ' three
Speaker 1: in real life? Six four?
Speaker 3: It's a nice collection of baseball basketball trainers.
Speaker 1: Alexander scarsguard height six foot four, absolutely like so real
Speaker 1: NBA height. That's a great pick. I okay, So with
Speaker 1: the first pick in the succession draft, I am going
Speaker 1: to pick greg the Egg, who is played by Nicholas Braun,
Speaker 1: who is I believe like six ' seven.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's very, very very tall.
Speaker 1: So we got the tall guys off off the board.
Speaker 3: Now I will say.
Speaker 1: I scars guard, though he's given up like three inches.
Speaker 1: If they're gonna play in the pit, these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be guarding each other. Scars Guard is obviously much
Speaker 1: beef here much beef.
Speaker 3: He's very a much.
Speaker 1: Stronger individual than the kind of willowy Nicholas Braun, who
Speaker 1: just kind of get thrown around like a like a
Speaker 1: stalk of wheat.
Speaker 2: No, Nicholas Braun is a good pick, though, because well,
Speaker 2: Greg is a good pick, I should say, because Greg's
Speaker 2: just gonna do whatever you tell him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, Greg, go set that pick.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I don't really I don't really want.
Speaker 1: To set the pick, but okay, and you just be
Speaker 1: like Greg fucking go set the pick, and you just
Speaker 1: you would have to do it. I mean that's true
Speaker 1: of almost any of these characters. They're all like, with
Speaker 1: the exception of I guess the Roys in general, like
Speaker 1: all the non Roys are very obsequious, even Tom.
Speaker 2: Even Mass and to a point because Shiv has been
Speaker 2: kind of puppet monstering him, yes throughout, So I think
Speaker 2: you're right, the Roys are the only ones kind of
Speaker 2: stubborn enough.
Speaker 1: Okay, Lucas Matson and Nicholas Braun are off the board.
Speaker 5: Your next pick, oh manum, my next pick would be
Speaker 5: My next pick would be Roman Roy.
Speaker 2: He is incredibly sneaky. He knows how to rap fuck
Speaker 2: and you know what, every soft and a short. You know,
Speaker 2: Kim comes into the game every soft and and changes
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's gonna be Roman Roy.
Speaker 1: Also involved, like in the sports space, already a sports
Speaker 1: team owner, so he understands the understands.
Speaker 3: The game, you know, you know what it's like to
Speaker 3: be a working man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he understands professional sports and the culture therein. Okay,
Speaker 1: for my next pick, I'm gonna go Brother for brother,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go Ken because Ken has
Speaker 1: the shoes.
Speaker 2: Madison's trying to have the shoes, but Ken has the shoes.
Speaker 1: Ken has all manner of like of bespoke, like seaker drops.
Speaker 3: This guy has so many sneakers. I remember that.
Speaker 1: Was It season one where he like goes to meet
Speaker 1: the women who created the app and then he throws
Speaker 1: his sneakers.
Speaker 3: Like out the window. My god, the sneakers.
Speaker 1: I have so many Ken, and not only I'm gonna
Speaker 1: Ken because I feel like I need a guy who
Speaker 1: is not afraid to shoot. And Ken will take the shop.
Speaker 1: He will take the shows a lot. It would also shoot.
Speaker 2: He will shoot, and it would also psych me out
Speaker 2: because I hate him, so it would.
Speaker 3: Work on that level, it would work.
Speaker 2: I would not be I would not be at top
Speaker 2: basketball for him as I usually am.
Speaker 3: I think it's on the field.
Speaker 1: I also think of you, Mike, Ken and Roman and
Speaker 1: just have them like their trash talk as they're going
Speaker 1: back and forth, would be so good.
Speaker 2: That would be ten out of ten, like biggest hit
Speaker 2: on broadcast TV. If you just played that, I mean
Speaker 2: you could find it your.
Speaker 1: A second pick in the succession NBA draft.
Speaker 3: Man, this is so tough, you know what. He would
Speaker 3: be pretty useless.
Speaker 2: But I'm going back to picking based solely on hype.
Speaker 2: I'm going for Tom. He'd kind of do whatever we wanted.
Speaker 2: He's on the bench, Like, could he come in and
Speaker 2: do something at the end. Probably not, but he would
Speaker 2: Just Tom is a survivor. He sticks it out no
Speaker 2: matter what. He is a striver as shifts so insulting
Speaker 2: we call him. I don't see that as an insult
Speaker 2: in this case, I'd I'd go for Tom.
Speaker 3: Tom mattis in a Roman is horrible. I would love
Speaker 3: to see it.
Speaker 1: For my third pick, I am picking the lady Caroline
Speaker 1: Collingwood of your mother, the mother of Kendall Roman, and
Speaker 1: should because I need someone fucking mean in there.
Speaker 3: You need someone gonna tell that door you should not
Speaker 3: be a mother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need someone just fucking vicious and mean to
Speaker 1: be like dirty where Ken's not gonna want to get
Speaker 1: his hands dirty. You know, Uh, Greg is soft, let's
Speaker 1: just be all about it, like Mattson will be absolutely
Speaker 1: killing this guy on the inside. He's you know, Greg's
Speaker 1: got more of a of a you know, a silky
Speaker 1: kind of.
Speaker 3: Like smooth game.
Speaker 1: I need somebody who's just gonna be throwing daggers. And
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go with the lady Caroline Collingwood. She's
Speaker 1: also independently, like she doesn't need None of them need
Speaker 1: the money, but she doesn't need any of this in general.
Speaker 3: How often do you think she would foul out? I
Speaker 3: think she'd foul.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that we would really have
Speaker 1: to have significant leverage over her to get her to play.
Speaker 1: I think we'd have to probably hold out her like
Speaker 1: her steaks in the family trust that we're given over
Speaker 1: to her as kind of like an addendum to the
Speaker 1: original divorce settlement at the end of I think it
Speaker 1: was season three by by Logan. But I just think
Speaker 1: she's an X factor, and I think that she will
Speaker 1: really fuck with Roman. Yes, it would fuck with Roman's head.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: And furthermore, I think if you could somehow like get
Speaker 1: her to cook food for the other team, for your team,
Speaker 1: I think that would even be because as we as
Speaker 1: we saw with the fucking absolutely lethally caustic England scenes
Speaker 1: from what was it season two or three where you
Speaker 1: first meet her, she's like cooking the crazy like quail
Speaker 1: legs and but like bad It's.
Speaker 3: Just the craziest stuff.
Speaker 1: So I'm that's my pick, Lady Caroline Collingwood, your next pick.
Speaker 2: My pick is gonna be call because nobody wants the island.
Speaker 3: More than so. He's gonna do he wants.
Speaker 2: He's gonna do whatever he can to get the island
Speaker 2: with the brother in law, Like he doesn't know I'm
Speaker 2: keeping the island, but I'm gonna tell him he's got
Speaker 2: a chance and he's gonna do anything it takes.
Speaker 3: He will be coming out. People are gonna be going crazy.
Speaker 3: They won't believe it. It's gonna be like Lonnie Walker
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, Like people are gonna be like, wha.
Speaker 3: He really wants to be remembered this is the car game.
Speaker 3: This is the game where Carl got the island.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've picked three. So it's us, it's basically
Speaker 1: us and like three others, and one of those will
Speaker 1: be a bench player. Should we pick a coach.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, please pick a coach. Okay, I will
Speaker 3: pick a coach. My coach.
Speaker 1: I am going to pick gil Evis, whoa politician, gil
Speaker 1: Evis succession version of Bernie Sanders gil Evis, because I
Speaker 1: think you need somebody in government with that gravitas to
Speaker 1: be able to like reach you know, you need the
Speaker 1: regulatory threat to get Ken to play the right way
Speaker 1: and do the right things. Same thing with Greg who
Speaker 1: you know who could forget how shaken Greg was when
Speaker 1: testifying for the Senate Select Committee when he's just like,
Speaker 1: if it must be said, then it is.
Speaker 3: I think he also says, no woman, no.
Speaker 1: Chrisier h Greg And so I think that that's the
Speaker 1: person that would have that kind of like authority to
Speaker 1: really command my team, other than Lady Caroline Collingwood, who's
Speaker 1: English and wouldn't yeas shit, but I think the rest
Speaker 1: of them would listen.
Speaker 3: Who would you be your coach? Mine would be Jerry
Speaker 3: that's great.
Speaker 2: I mean, one because she's one of the few competent
Speaker 2: people in the entire show. Two because Rayman is on
Speaker 2: my team, so if I want anything to get done,
Speaker 2: Jerry will be that. And three because Jerry is about
Speaker 2: to come into an immense amount of eye wateringly large
Speaker 2: financial security, so she's gonna have the time to commit
Speaker 2: herself to the team.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: I think that's great.
Speaker 2: Jess asks, with Tiers of the Kingdom coming out on
Speaker 2: May twelfth, the day that you may be listening to
Speaker 2: this podcast, what is your favorite installment of the Zelda
Speaker 2: series or just favorite Nintendo game of all time?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Wow, it is Breath of the Wild. Same and also
Speaker 1: Majora's Mask those two, but Breath of the Wild by
Speaker 1: far because of the sense of adventure and exploration and
Speaker 1: how just the feeling I first had like logging into
Speaker 1: the world and seeing how big it was and how
Speaker 1: little direction you're given. It's just walk in a direction,
Speaker 1: and very few games have given me that feeling of
Speaker 1: satisfaction just from walking around, just from exploring, like Eldon
Speaker 1: Ring kind of I did that recently. But Breath of
Speaker 1: the Whild for the adventure, the storytelling, the sheer amount
Speaker 1: of content in the game. You like, it's just the
Speaker 1: way it looks, the characters that you meet, the music, like,
Speaker 1: everything about it to me is fucking perfect. And that
Speaker 1: kind of cell shading ESK style is.
Speaker 3: It looks like you're watching an animated movie.
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful to me. I just think it is.
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing. It's probably my favorite Nintendo game
Speaker 1: of all time, along with you know, I mean this
Speaker 1: is somewhat cheating with the Mario kard series, also the
Speaker 1: h and also the Metroid series, and also the Caslovenias.
Speaker 3: But Nintendo so many good games, I mean, blow your mind,
Speaker 3: there's so many.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 3: Yes, so I would say I'm the same definitely.
Speaker 2: Like when I was a kid, I kind of struggled
Speaker 2: Zelda and Pokemon both were quite hard for my brain
Speaker 2: to understand, and that old school visuals and the layout
Speaker 2: of the game. But the Majora's Mask three DS remake
Speaker 2: was up there for me for a very long time
Speaker 2: as the best seller game and also one of my
Speaker 2: favorite games. But Breath of the World is definitely my favorite.
Speaker 3: I love the.
Speaker 2: Freewheeling nature of it. I love the way that you
Speaker 2: feel that you're living in the world.
Speaker 3: I love cooking.
Speaker 2: I always talk about this, but a Breath of the Wild,
Speaker 2: like finishing it is nearly impossible for me because I
Speaker 2: just spent all my time cooking and riding my horse like.
Speaker 3: I love that shit. I love how you can just
Speaker 3: fight things and shoot things and.
Speaker 2: Do all kinds of fun monster hunting. I absolutely love
Speaker 2: Breath of the Wild. I think it's the best Selda game.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to play the new one, but I
Speaker 2: just don't see a world where.
Speaker 3: I tops it.
Speaker 2: My other favorite Nintendo game definitely, I love Mario Kart.
Speaker 2: I play Mariocart probably more than any other video games.
Speaker 3: Animal Crossing as well.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 3: Crossing also a perfect game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good, both New Leaf and New Horizons
Speaker 2: I adored. Most influential game on a Nintendo for me
Speaker 2: was probably Donkey Kong Country.
Speaker 3: I had a second last Super Nintendo when.
Speaker 2: I was a kid, and I played Donkey Kong Country
Speaker 2: like so much. I can play that game, probably blindfolded
Speaker 2: all the way through. The same with that with Crash
Speaker 2: Bandicoot from the PlayStation, the original Crash Bandicoot.
Speaker 1: You know, if we're talking, like the most addicted i've
Speaker 1: ever felt about a game on Nintendo, then it's probably
Speaker 1: a Golden Eye on the Nintendo City.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that game is so so sick.
Speaker 1: I did not have a console during the time that
Speaker 1: I just didn't have access to video game at that
Speaker 1: particular time. And I've told this story before, but like
Speaker 1: I legitimately had a friend that I did not care
Speaker 1: for personally, who I who I had a relationship with
Speaker 1: simply because he had Nintendo sixty four at GoldenEye and
Speaker 1: I wanted to play GoldenEye. That was the other Like
Speaker 1: I didn't like this guy, but I pretended I liked
Speaker 1: him because I needed to play GoldenEye. And so that's
Speaker 1: the furthest I've ever like, I just even to this day,
Speaker 1: Like the the the music when you boot that game up,
Speaker 1: it has a Pavlovian effect, like the goosebumps go up
Speaker 1: on my on my arm, like running around the facility
Speaker 1: level in the events, like shooting the guy in the stall,
Speaker 1: like all of this stuff, playing a short round in
Speaker 1: multip and split screen multiplayer, getting in arguments with friends
Speaker 1: because like you're looking at my screen, like all of
Speaker 1: that stuff is like was just so so so fun
Speaker 1: and I think not one of my favorite games, but
Speaker 1: when it was current, probably the most as into a
Speaker 1: game as I've ever been.
Speaker 3: GoldenEye.
Speaker 1: I was so into it, probably because I just couldn't
Speaker 1: play it whenever I wanted to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you have a Switch Online account, they
Speaker 2: actually recently did the n sixty four addition, so you
Speaker 2: can play GoldenEye. And also they have the Snares and
Speaker 2: the NAZ and I play Donkey Kong Country on there
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: Still, thank you so much for your questions. We sorry
Speaker 1: we couldn't get to them all, but we'll try to
Speaker 1: answer them in some other format, maybe on the discord
Speaker 1: or somewhere else.
Speaker 3: Up next, nerd.
Speaker 2: Out Ye Mini spoiler warning, spoiler spoiler, but like a
Speaker 2: mini sized one, like a gull of as travel sized one.
Speaker 2: This nudout contains spoilers for Guardians of the Galaxy volume three.
Speaker 2: In today's that out where you tell us what you love,
Speaker 2: am why, or a theory that you're excited to share.
Speaker 2: Evan does the latter, sharing a theory on Guardians of
Speaker 2: the Galaxy volume three.
Speaker 1: Evan writes Herosi and Jason I was thinking about the
Speaker 1: stinger at the end of Guardians three and how it
Speaker 1: states that star Lord will return but does not necessarily
Speaker 1: mean that it is Peter. Do you guys think it's
Speaker 1: possible or likely the studio can introduce a new Guardian's
Speaker 1: Team with another character taking up the mantle of star Lord.
Speaker 1: Of course, it makes me think of one of my
Speaker 1: favorite Guardian's rosters when Kate Pride was leading the team
Speaker 1: as star Lord. Yes, said Captain Missouri or something. Would
Speaker 1: love to know what you guys think. All the best, Evan,
Speaker 1: I think that that's likely.
Speaker 3: Actually I felt like that too.
Speaker 2: Like the further away I got from this stinger, the
Speaker 2: more I felt like this idea of the legendary star
Speaker 2: Lord would return makes it feel like it's more of
Speaker 2: a mantle, because you could say Peter Quill would return.
Speaker 2: If you're going to say that, I would you know
Speaker 2: where X Men fans here, Kate Pride fans. She's had
Speaker 2: a lot of great story arcs in recent years. I
Speaker 2: would love to see that. I believe they have already
Speaker 2: peaked with T'charlie Staralord, who sadly you know we won't
Speaker 2: be able to get in live action, but I think
Speaker 2: the idea of a different star Lord could be really
Speaker 2: really cool.
Speaker 1: I think that would be I think that would be
Speaker 1: super cool. And and you know, as you mentioned, there
Speaker 1: have been a lot of Terran characters to go into
Speaker 1: space and run with the Guardians. Certainly in recent years,
Speaker 1: Tony Stark had a notable run up there, Kate Pride,
Speaker 1: I do I think it's going to be someone else
Speaker 1: that's going to be I think it's gonna be someone
Speaker 1: else that takes up the mantle of Star Wars.
Speaker 3: I think that that's probably right. Do you have a favorite,
Speaker 3: like pick that you would pick out the characters who
Speaker 3: were here MC.
Speaker 2: Not like based on the comics or like just if
Speaker 2: you were going to pick a character, who would you
Speaker 2: want to see take on that mantle?
Speaker 3: Who are doing it? And at what about? I think
Speaker 3: Bucky would be good. That would be so interesting.
Speaker 1: You'd have some fun with the arm they've both been through,
Speaker 1: they've had they have similar histories, right, Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think they could bond over that. That said, is it
Speaker 1: time for a human maybe? This is also doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that if you are Star Loard you're leading the team.
Speaker 1: I think it is Rockets team.
Speaker 3: I think it's Rockets team.
Speaker 2: I think Starlold may be more of a rogue space
Speaker 2: hero kind of on their own missions. Who checks him
Speaker 2: with the the Guardians rather than you know.
Speaker 3: And also we didn't see Pete's.
Speaker 2: Helmet in the new movie, so somebody could find that
Speaker 2: in on.
Speaker 3: Nowhere, you know, in his desk drawer.
Speaker 2: I believe James Gunn said it was placed. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we could really see some cool stuff bene that.
Speaker 1: My second, my backup pick would be the Symbiote. I
Speaker 1: think the Symbiote also has been into.
Speaker 3: Space, love that Garian's galaxy.
Speaker 1: And I think is in world and it would be
Speaker 1: fun to watch the Symbio like explore their cosmic history.
Speaker 3: Where does this? Where do I come from?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: What am I doing here?
Speaker 1: That would be a fun adventure. Ten out of ten
Speaker 1: would watch your picks.
Speaker 3: Ah, my picks.
Speaker 2: Currently this is kind this kind of a cheat because
Speaker 2: they're not in the MCU, but I feel like they're
Speaker 2: so close to being into it.
Speaker 3: I would love to see like a beta ra Bell
Speaker 3: star lord, you know, like a cool alien cosmic star lord.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 2: Realistically, it feels like we'd be seeing a character that
Speaker 2: we already are very established with in that space a
Speaker 2: Valkyrie star Lord could be cool. I would like to
Speaker 2: see that. You know, she's kind of tired of the
Speaker 2: bureaucratic nature of it all, so she takes that star
Speaker 2: Lord Nebula. Actually, I think if I was doing a
Speaker 2: odds on bets, I think I could see a world
Speaker 2: when Nebula takes on that mantle and really gets a
Speaker 2: hero arc. That would be very cool to see, especially
Speaker 2: with her rad new arm. Yeah, I would love this question.
Speaker 2: Evan has made me very happy. I would love to
Speaker 2: dream of a world where it is no longer Peter
Speaker 2: Quill and he stays at home with his granddad and
Speaker 2: does the lawn mowing or whatever else, and we get
Speaker 2: to see other characters take on that mantle.
Speaker 3: I think that would be so cool. Thanks Evan.
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