WEBVTT - Mailbag - MCU, Star Wars, Succession & More! 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.720 Did you know Mike Myers was accused of stealing one 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:09.600 of his characters at Austin Bowers, Or that Gene Davis 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.039 chose Brad Pitt over George Clooney and Thelman Louise good 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:16.799 choice for the Abs, Or that Tom Cruise had a 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.560 clause in his contract that he wouldn't go topless in 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:21.800 Top Gun. He went topless, So we need to find 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.520 out what the issue is here. If you're curious to 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.319 hear more film facts, then you should listen to the 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:33.240 Unspooled podcast. Well you'll learn something fascinating that you thought 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.960 you knew. Join comedian and professional movie talk about Her 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.960 Paul Sheer and New York Times writer Amy Nicholson as 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.000 they unspool famous films to see if they are truly 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.360 all time classics or just remembered that way. New episodes 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:50.839 have unspooled every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. Warning, 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.400 this podcast contains spoilers for the MCU, including some spoilers 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.920 regarding the Galaxy Volume three, but they're light in the 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:20.880 nerd out section and in thee you section of the mailbag. Hello, 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.399 my name is Jason Concepcion. And on Merday Night and 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.080 welcome to x ray Vision, the Crooked Media podcast where 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.680 we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:31.400 pop culture. 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.440 In this episode, it's gonna be all mailbag, Mailbag, mailbag, mailbag, 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.240 E mailed us all questions. We are going to answer 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.280 those questions in the mailbag segments, which will take up 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:41.920 almost the. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.679 Entire podcast, apart from a No Doubt. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.639 Which is going to be Evan pitching us a theory 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.680 from Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.040 Oh I love it. I love to hear it coming up, 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:59.800 mailbag folks, Let's jump into the mail bag without any 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:06.720 their delay. First, let's start here. Jordan asks, if the 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:11.959 MCU were to reset, no copyright issues, no corporate issues, 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:17.480 no corporate trademarks, no weird ownership of IP stuff going on, 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.200 what are the five comics slash heroes that we would 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.520 start with to build the first phase? How would we 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:28.760 do it? Whoo well question, It's an incredible question. 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:29.520 Do you want to start? 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.800 It's such an exciting question. I do have to say. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.200 I will put the classic disclaimer. As someone who loves 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.000 this stuff and is so excited that we get to 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.640 talk about every week, logically I would change nothing, because 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.000 the MCU does not exist. If you don't start in 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.040 that exact space. Now, if we're not talking about that, 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:53.080 it would just be X Men. I think that that 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.360 is how I would start any if I had Jon 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:04.560 Favreau with no issues, no Fox licensing deals, no almost 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.120 bankrupt Marvel that had to be saved by toy Biz 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.920 and Avier Ard, I think it would be a giant 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:17.640 size X Men style launch. I think that would be 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:22.040 your big Poul. You have Storm, you have Cyclops. You know, 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.720 you have Charles, you have Gene, you can bring a 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.639 night Crawler. I think that that, especially at the time, 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.680 like in the two thousand and eight, it would have 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.200 changed the trajectory of how we do this stuff, but 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.440 obviously it was not the way. 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:38.800 That it went. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.120 If I was going to try and replicate the MCU 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.360 but with out iron Man, I would probably do something 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.920 like that, but with weirder characters like New Mutants or 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:49.200 X Force, or you. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.480 Know, have like a Chamber movie. 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.680 You know I love Chamber, but definitely for me it 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.160 would it always goes back to those Mutants, and I 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.560 think it would be a very interesting old union of us. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.040 If Marvel Studios had been able to launch post blade 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.520 with the X Men. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.800 I agree with what you said in that logically, reasonably, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.520 the rollout for Phase one was so perfect you can't 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:21.800 it'd be silly to change anything logically, uh, And so 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:26.599 I would just pitch a haircut. I also, of course, 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.280 like I love the Mutants as well, and so I 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.960 would I might start with a Wolverine story. I mean, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.640 this is sounding now perilously close to X Men origins, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.000 but I would start but I would start like in 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.279 the sixties, right, I would start like in the sixties 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:48.039 or seventies, like Vietnam era Wolverine or you know, somewhere 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.520 like a Wolverine brainwashed. It basically be the Weapon X 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.640 story that would get us into the Super Soldier's story, 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.880 and then you could just launch Captain America from that 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:07.320 as as a project that was related to and part 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:12.120 of the Weapon X project, which is just really a 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.520 much more and more underground version of the Super Soldier story. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.600 So I would like tie those things together, and then 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:24.080 from there Phase one would proceed like on a binary track, 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.440 on a binary parallel track, right, So you go from 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.560 Captain America right to Iron Man. This is even though 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.680 I'm kind of reversing stuff, right, So you go from 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.159 Captain America to Iron Man, and then you'd go from 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.720 Wolverine to like giant size X Men. So you do 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:42.520 like Avengers and X Men happening at the same time, 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.600 but like in different little pockets where the X Men 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.359 are doing stuff much more underground because they don't want 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:54.040 anybody to know they exist, whereas the Avengers are emerging 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.160 at the same time. You know, they have the big 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.960 they would still have the big Battle of New York 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.200 and all these other things that announce their existence to 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.160 the world. And it would be that existence that would 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:11.160 basically shake up the mutant line of my proposed MCU, 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.640 where you'd have all these other mutants saying, well, why 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:14.359 are we hiding? 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.640 If these people can be out, like. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.440 Why can't we just and so that they would do that, 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.279 and that would bring them into conflict with the Avengers 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:27.880 and then they ultimately get together to fight off Thanos 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:29.000 or whatever. Big bet. 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.680 Yeah, I was gonna say, in that version, is your 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:36.040 Avengers movie or is your later on like a civil 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.919 war before you get to endgame? Is that your Avengers 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.799 versus X Men movie? In that world, No, I would. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.000 Do it later because I think the way if I 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.760 was going to do it this way, right, then all 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:54.200 the mutants are together originally like Magneto, everybody no Brotherhood 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.800 of Evil Mutants. There are maybe more extremist mutants, and 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:01.600 there are more piece nick mutants, you know, but everybody 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.240 agrees that it's for the best that they keep quiet. 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.640 And when the human superheroes emerge, you have the more 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:14.040 extremeist voices being like, well, why are we We should 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.200 just come out like this is insane that we're hiding, 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.040 and then that would cause the split that would create 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:22.760 you know, mystique in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants or 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.640 Magneto going off and deciding that he's going to become 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.360 a domestic terrorist or whatever, you know. 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.280 And it because they're reacting to. 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:35.560 The emergence of the human superheroes who everybody fucking loves, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.560 and they're saying, well, why can't why can't we have a. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.120 Life as well? And then you have those things converge. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:42.760 I think you'd have. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.280 I think you probably do Avengers versus X Men, like 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.680 Phase two, and then Phase three would be your big Okay, 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:55.080 we need to all twoin together to beat whatever the 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:55.840 fucking thing is. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:57.400 Yeah, I love that. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.400 I mean, you make a really great point too, because 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:03.600 the reality is even then in the mid Zeros to 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.200 late Zeros, Wolverine is still one of the most famous 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.720 characters in the world, not only thanks to the comics 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.880 in the animated series, but thanks to Hugh Jackman. So 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.680 really that would be a very good place to start, 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.720 and I would love to see that. I mean, hilariously, Marvel, 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.800 don't steal this. The WGA is on strike. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:22.000 Your idea is. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.560 Definitely something that I think we could actually see come 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:26.880 to life even. 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:28.720 Now. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:33.520 You know that idea of like the reality of human 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.560 heroes being in the world for like twenty years has 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.319 caused that conflict within like underground mutant sex like the Morlocks, 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.760 even if they didn't want to go full you know, 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.680 gifted Youngster's school. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:49.000 Kind of route immediately. So yeah, I love that. And 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:49.760 you know how like. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.560 There was the you know tm X before Wolverine pre 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:57.680 x Men, when he was on a team with Saber 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.640 Tooth and others. Right, you could do that, Bucky and 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:06.120 just have like all the brainwashed like superheroes in the 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:12.800 seventies and eighties they're doing secret government shit. You could 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.080 kind of reccon it so that Bucky is part of that. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.000 You could introduce I mean, you can even make Steve 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:19.520 a part of that if you really wanted to. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.319 Yeah, more of a nomad style, like he's not no mad. 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:24.880 Style, but he's I mean, what if you did it 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.840 this way? What if six one six? If we're calling 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:35.240 this MCU exists, right, we relaunch, but it's a parallel universe, 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.640 and it's the one you know, it's like the one 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.960 Steve escaped into. So there's like a Steve running around. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.400 Oh that's really I mean Steve. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.559 Yeah, I mean I Marvel call us after. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.240 The second often call us when the strike's over. We'll 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.280 picture somebody is. We've got some pis matt osks. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.640 How do you think all these Marvel shows will be 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.880 combined into a singular movie? I will add parentheses or 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.400 project when that stylized so differently, Well, she hold. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:05.319 Dropped the fourth wall. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:06.920 When she's in a team up film, even though that's 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.480 so unique to her. Miss Marvel was a very different 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.199 vibe than Falcon and Whin still just stylistically, So how 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:13.720 do we think those things are going to kind of 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.000 come together? Oh? 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.439 Wow, that's a great question. I think honestly, very organically. 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.800 These are issues that pop up in the comics as well. Yeah, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:26.679 the comics have been dealing with for decades this entire time. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.880 You know, she Hulks breaking the Fourth Wall in the eighties, 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.239 and when she shows up on Avengers teams or Fantastic 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:38.680 Four teams, it's the same personality, the same character, but 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.640 you fit the character inside the frame of what the 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.079 particular title is. So depending you know, if it's a 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.400 She Hulk in an Avengers movie, then you would fit 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.560 it to the sensibility of an Avengers movie, depending on 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.960 what the director's taken his take on it as well. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.120 I actually think it's not that it's honestly not that 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:01.800 big a deal. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:03.240 Yeah, I agree. 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.440 I think if you look back to the comics and 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.559 remember what we all love so much about the comics, 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.319 and I will say what really kept people engrossed in 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.400 the MCU was when it branched out of the kind 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:18.120 of ottomous inspired originality of the you know, the first 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:22.240 phase and instead, you know why is Win a Soldier 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.320 one of people's favorite movies, because it felt like it 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.120 was bringing a new tone to the MCU. It was 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:32.120 this spy espionage style genre. So I think that it 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.839 will be a delicate balance, but I would love I 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.920 think you could have she Hulk, especially the version that 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:39.800 they did in the show, which I thought was so great. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.640 I could see a pretty serious Daredevil show, for example, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.640 where she turns up yeah, and they still managed to 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.040 build that in in an Avengers movie. She also gives 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:55.199 you a great narrative tool. She could be your in character. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.880 She could be your narrator almost, and you could have 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:02.280 a really fun time making the audience complicit and more 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.480 involved in the story than they've been before, even when 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:06.760 stuff's getting wild and. 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.559 They do Yeah, I would almost guarantee they do a 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:14.240 fourth Wall joke and whatever Avengers movie emerges from, Oh, definitely, 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.360 like you'll have a moment where she's talking to the 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.920 fourth wall, but maybe not to camera and Spider Man 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:23.679 or somebody's like, who the fuck are you talking to you? 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.080 Yeah, yeah, they'll do a flea bag yeah yeah. I 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:31.280 definitely think as well. Like one of the things that 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:36.080 I could see is the amount of times that those 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.560 tones are used. Like, so I think that in quite 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.800 a serious Avengers like Secret War style movie, she probably 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.600 won't be cracking wise the whole time, and she won't 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.640 look at you when an alien does something wild. But 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.520 if there's a Schwama esque kind of in joke that 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.720 they know the audience is gonna look to, you could 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.160 get a gym office. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.080 Style look to camera. 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.280 I think it's all about those kind of stylistic choices. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.840 But yeah, I think it's going to happen because really 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.360 that interconnectivity is what has always made people really care 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.760 about the MCU. So I think that even though the 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.280 vibes are different. I mean, if we look at Miss Marvel, 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.280 especially in the comics, one of the things that was 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.960 so great when she was first introduced, she was obsessed 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.240 with these really rugged heroes like Wolverine. So that kind 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:24.360 of fun of seeing that joyous, joyful fan energy from Kamala, 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:29.960 who's also incredibly powerful buck up against you know, meeting 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.439 someone like I would love to see her meet Bucky 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.760 or something, but you know, even someone like Falcon who 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.600 is now you know, Captain America Sam Wilson. I think 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.200 that that's actually going to bring a lot of joy 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.760 and kind of enjoyment to the MCU. Those juxtapositions are 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.880 going to be an additive rather than a challenge. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:47.400 I reckon. 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.760 I think that's right, Jack asks, after seeing Guards of 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.480 the Galaxy volume three heads either of your opinions about 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.760 the mc model shifted. Are you looking for more self 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.240 contained stories, whether it be standalone stuff like a movie 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.800 trilogy or a special or does the interconnectivity still create 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.880 the world we know? I'm curious how you feel as 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.439 the scope of the MCU gets wider. Yeah, I think 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.760 it gets more Obviously, it gets more unwieldy as it 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:10.440 gets wider. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:11.439 I also think. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.680 The I think a lot of the feel of kind 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:23.000 of less focus to the post endgame phases is simply 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.680 a lack of a focusing villain, you know, like you 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:32.120 had Thanos pretty much from Jump driving things forward post 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.280 of you know, like certainly post Avengers, everybody understood that 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:40.800 was where we were going, Whereas you know, there's significant 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:48.760 confusion about, like especially post issues with Jonathan Majors, what 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:54.880 the kind of focal villain is going to be in 0:14:54.960 --> 0:15:00.200 terms of for me, like the I think it's just well, 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.800 it's interesting, you know, because we say, as we've been saying, 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.960 so much of this stuff, parallel stuff that happens in 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:09.600 the comics Guardians has always benefited and Cosmic marvel in 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:14.200 general has always benefited from the remove from the activity 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:18.560 to the main storyline of Marvel comics, like you can 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.960 just do more. And I think I would argue that, like, 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.160 you know, some of the weakest cosmic Marvel is the 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:29.960 stuff that intersects with like earth bound heroes, like when 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:34.080 they're just out there on their own annihilation, war of Kings, 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.520 that kind of stuff, and they can just blow up 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.360 into our galaxies. You know, then that's the best stuff. 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:47.680 And I think part of what made Guardians so good, 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.360 or at least so easy to position as a real, 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:55.600 like contained story, is that it's in space. It's removed 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.320 from the rest of the stuff that's going You're not 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.960 worrying about like, hey, where are the events? 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:01.240 Is what happened to them? 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.400 What's going on with the blip? You know, my bakery 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.440 got evicted to the blip, but now somebody else moves. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:08.840 You don't have to do all that. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:09.320 Kind of stuff. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.960 You can just do the story that said. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:13.880 I don't. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.280 I think the interconnectivity is kind of is necessary. Now 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:22.040 maybe you can maybe you can not tie it as 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.520 tightly to things that are going on. Maybe that's a 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.840 way to go. Is not like be beholden to all 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.600 these tie ins and callbacks while still acknowledging that it's 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.160 part of a shared universe. But I think the interconnectivity 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:35.640 is vital. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:36.520 What are your thoughts. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.000 Yeah, I think you're right basically, and I think you 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.680 summed up something I think is really interesting. I think 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.640 part of the reason why this Guardian's movie is hitting 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.800 so well, you know, a cinema score, even if the 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.560 box office wasn't crazy, We'll see what. 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:49.200 That hold was. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:54.280 I think Guardian's Galaxy Volume three feels very akin to 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.640 the early MCU in that fact that it feels quite separate, 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.600 but there no odds to things that have existed in 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.920 easter egg form, not in big exposition dumps or this 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.639 is how this all works, but in here's a little 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.240 thing you've seen before. Oh, here's a character you know 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.959 that's very appealing. That's what made people love these movies. 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:19.520 I personally am always excited for things that can exist 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.600 in that world, but also standalone. I think that you know, 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.200 the were Wolf by Night Halloween special was just so brilliant, 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.320 and I'm really excited to see them do stuff like that. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.760 I also think it's one of the few strengths that 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.760 you can objectively say that the DCU has, which is 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.720 the way that they've let directors just make weird movies. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.720 That's how we got Batman, That's how we got Aquaman, 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.400 That's how he got you know, Kathy Ynn's incredible Harlequin 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.719 and Birds of Prey movie. I think that there's a 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.600 lot of fun and freedom that can be had from 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:58.040 going with big swing, weird ideas, especially when this franchise 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.439 has like thirty movies at this point and millions of 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.520 TV shows and blah blah blah blah. It's always going 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.760 to get im wieldy, But I think the interconnectivity always 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.760 has to be there, and I think in a sense 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.800 of getting people really excited, that's probably going to have 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.960 to come a little bit more to the forefront than 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.119 it has been, even if it kind of As comic 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.240 book fans, we're more used to the weird explosion of 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.480 stories that you get before you draw it back in 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.000 for that slim down, you know, multiversal battle. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:31.520 And I think like, as a general principle, the stakes 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.760 need to be in the movie. Like the thing that 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:40.240 makes Guardians three so good is you worried who's going 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.840 to die? You are absolutely distraught over the horrible things 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.119 that have happened to this beloved character Rocket. It that 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.400 the steaks are in the movie. You want the high 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:56.879 evolutionary to pay. You'd like, you just want it with 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.560 some of the Phase four and Phase five, which I 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.399 love because I'm a sucker for it. But one of 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.680 the things you could say is the stakes come from 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.520 outside the movie. Yes, it's stakes that carry over from 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.719 another project, or it's built in from something else, and 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:15.960 it's not native to the story itself self contained in 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.399 the story, and it dilutes the power. 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.920 That's a definite challenge that I think that the interconnectivity 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.359 element brings because people have to be extremely invested, like 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.800 Infinity War endgame style invested to want to know all 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.600 those different things to feel like it's an event. My 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.680 friend William did a great interview with James Gunn at Esquire. 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.720 I'm you basically incredibly smart cultural critic that you are. 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.400 You summed up how James gets people to care about 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:46.879 these things. He said, it's always about like, it's not 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.360 about the end of the world. It's about like saving 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.480 the dog, you know, that was his experience, and in 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.080 this movie, it's about Rocket it's about that journey, and 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.560 you do these little things that make people invested in 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.600 the journey that you are on in that movie. That 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.320 is I think, think about Tony Stark, think about Iron Man. 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:09.439 It's about that movie, and then the teas of what 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.120 else could come is so exciting. But I will say, 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:13.960 even as someone who, as you know, love I love 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.920 a lot of Phase four stuff and Phase five, I'm 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:18.639 very chill with it. I love to see these movies. 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:20.600 I love to know that they're based on these comics 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:24.080 I love. But I do think it could easily be 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.040 argued that the teas has become the primary part of 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.359 a lot of those stories, rather than that steak that 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:34.120 keeps you in in the center of the story before 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.800 wondering what comes next. 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:47.120 And about the steaks, I also think that more characters 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:47.800 should die. 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:53.120 Not I will say, I agree, maybe not problem, yeah, 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:54.120 maybe not die. 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.320 Because of course, like you know, one of the spoiler 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.640 and spoiler spoiler Guardians three, spoiler, one of the surprises 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:00.760 of Gards. 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:04.000 Three, he died. That was actually a very good subsion. 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:10.280 This is of course, like you know, Rip to Floor 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:11.639 and Yolah, and. 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.840 Yes, no established characters before this movie that we were 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.960 expecting to die hit fucking hard. That said for. 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.960 Characters that you were getting flash back like that was 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:27.040 those deaths hit, but there was turn. It's almost like 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.680 a death in the sense that people left the team. 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.640 People were like this part of my there was an 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.480 advice is over and and you and you you have 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.920 to leave this wonderful group of friends behind. Essentially because 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.440 people are leaving, people have left. That feels like part 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:47.440 of life. And I feel like, you know, whether it's 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.320 you know, you pick any story that that we've had 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:51.160 in these phases. 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:52.560 I think that. 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.840 If it's not death, there needs to be, like it were, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:06.400 vocable rupturing of relationships that happen because of these stories. 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.080 I guess you could say in Chunk Chi, it kind 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:12.720 of happens, right, even though like it's only secretly that 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:18.280 like Shan's sister becomes like the head of organized crime. 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:19.959 I want to see that happen. By the way, that 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.040 was like one of my favorite post credit scenes. 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.879 But I really enjoyed it as well, but like to 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.720