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You can always donate time forever, 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:49.880 get it, forever, for for Oh, I get it Thinking sideways. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.880 I don't know stories of things we simply don't know 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:59.520 the answer to. Hi. There, Welcome to another episode of 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:04.759 Thinking So Sadways, the hard hitting podcast. Yeah I can't 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.760 even make it all the way through that we do something, 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.440 I guess. I'm Joe Uh. This week joined as always 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:15.440 by Steve and Yeah, here we go and I go 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:19.000 tackle another cool mystery. UM. This week we are going 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.720 to talk about a strange series of instance that happened 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:23.800 back in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties and a 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.000 little town in Ohio Uh. The incident centered around an 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.840 older couple named Bill and Dorothy Whacker, who lived in 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:34.759 a town called Massillon, Ohio, which is about fifty miles 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:40.319 south of Cleveland. That's about eighty kilometers and about three 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:45.600 million hands and about twenty seven stone. Yeah, right in there. Yeah, 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.800 I got them all. And before we go any further, 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.720 I want to give a shout out to Lauren who 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:53.960 suggested this mystery. Thanks Lauren. And also, and there might 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:55.960 be a few other people too, but somehow I didn't 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.600 see the names in the list, so sorry about that, 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.040 but you're getting a sort of a silent shout out 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.400 from us. Let's back to our mystery here, let's go back. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.240 So Bill and Dorothy Whacker fairly normal people. They seemed 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:08.800 like to me, they're kind of getting getting on in 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.680 years in the mid eighties, they were in their fifties, 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.120 at the sixties, something like that, I don't know. But 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.079 then they're in nineteen eighty four. One day they came 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:20.839 home and they found their house had been broken into 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.799 and ransacked. Apparently didn't report to the police because they 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.880 didn't see that anything had been stolen, and so that 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:28.960 was a kind of that. But then it happened again 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.120 later in the year, and they still didn't report it 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.560 to the police. But then when it happened the third 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.800 time in January five, they finally did report it to 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.480 the county sheriff. Wasn't it wasn't that the one that 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.000 Dorothy was actually injured in though, No, actually that was no, No, 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:44.799 that was not that was one. They were both out 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:46.560 of the house at that time. I guess I always 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.400 thought that that was and that's why they had finally 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:52.799 reported it, But that was the catalyst. But I think 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.280 just had enough. Yeah, yeah, I think so. Damn it 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.880 the third time. Yeah, you know, I usually fully one 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:05.200 shame on me, Yeah, pull me, can't get pulled again. Yeah, 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.119 there you go. That's how that works. I'm pretty sure 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.480 as far as another sheriff was not able to do 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.360 much other than asking the neighbors if they had seen anything. 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.799 And I know I got broken into once years ago 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.919 and the cops came over, and well, they weren't able 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.200 to do much either. Stuff kind of step. Yeah. Seriously, 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.800 I do have one hint for you. If somebody burgles 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.200 your place, just say yeah, they still want of my guns. 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.040 That would get their attention. They might just go find 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.280 those people. Yeah, do you probably have to provide enough 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.240 serial numbers and types and stuff like that. Yeah, there's that. 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.320 And if they find out you lied, well they get 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.760 kind of pussy about that. I had a two can 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:51.120 to seventeen. It was awesome. I lost watches. Yeah, where 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.280 are we at here? Though? But then what really what happened? 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.400 Where it kind of serious? Was about six months later 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:00.320 in July, Dorothy was home alone one afternoon to knock 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.800 on her door, and some guy wanted to use her 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.120 phone because he said his card had broken down, And 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.480 so Dorothy led him in and showed him where the 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.960 phone was, and then left the room and went off 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.360 to putter around in the kitchen or something. She said 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.360 she didn't want to feel she didn't want him to 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.880 feel as though she was eavesdropping. Yeah, she said she 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.440 wasn't want to listen in on conversations, and so she 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.840 thought she'd just let him have his little private time. Yeah, 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.240 it was just very nice of her. I gotta tell 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:31.039 you I don't I don't allow strangers to be unobserved 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.640 in my home. I had a stranger in my house 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.080 this morning, and that lady I was within five or 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.200 eight feet of her the whole time. I invited her 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:45.400 to the house to take a look at it. Uh huh, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.880 A likely story. No, sorry, I think I mean the 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.799 impression I have is that they lived in a relatively 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.760 safe neighborhood. They came from a much safer time, more 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.240 trusting generation, more trusting generation, and so you know, she 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.560 didn't want it. She doesn't want to assume the worst 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.240 of people, you know, she wants to assume you can 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.440 take people at face value. This young man said his 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.440 car broke down. She said, all right, you know, use 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.680 our phone, there's no harm here. He seemed trustworthy, so 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.120 she let him in. And you know, this would have 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.200 got a whole lot better for Dorothy if she had 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:18.440 been listening to podcast, because she wouldn't have trusted anybody, right, 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.359 damn it. Yeah, this wasn't exactly an innocent time. It 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.719 was five crime. We've been through the sixties, but she 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.279 was in her sixties seventies, right, so she was from 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.200 an arab a time gone by, and maybe I don't know. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.760 And of course, oh yeah, one other anomalous thing is 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.000 apparently Dorothy didn't see his car parked out front, which 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.680 was a little weird because it's a straightish road. It's 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.400 a yeah, it's it's a straightish road. And uh so 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.400 you know that there is that question, but we'll talk 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:51.200 about that a little bit later. And anyway, it seemed 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.920 like apparently the phone calls ordered over and Dorothy was 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.800 under the oppression. The guy had left the house, but 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.279 apparently he was still in the house, and he snuck 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.520 up behind her and hit her over the head, and 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.400 Dorothy of course went out like a light bulb, and 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.839 she when she woke up, she had been tied up 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.760 and gagged and left on her kitchen floor. Alright, So 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.440 for people who are listening, i'bout a bunch of you 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.320 know this case because it was on Unsolved Mysteries. Yeah, 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:20.320 and her being tied up on the floor is one 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:24.200 of the most awkwardly funny scenes that I have ever seen. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.839 I honestly was just thinking about how incredible it was, 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.160 like literally just at this moment, thinking about how incredible 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.480 it was for somebody who has gone through that traumatic 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.440 experience him that to let them wasn't it wasn't her. 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.720 It was an actress. I thought it was her, think 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.120 it was it was actors and actresses portraying them in 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.279 the re enactment the well, the actor looked a lot 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.200 like her, but it was hilarious to see the way 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:53.960 they hit that she was supposedly tied scene did look 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.920 a lot like her, except it was pretty awkward. I'll 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:58.680 be honest. I was eating dinner while I was watching 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.359 I really want than actually paying that much attention. I 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.320 just saw like, oh, woman tied up. It must be 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.480 the woman, because they always used the same people unless 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.920 they're traumatic experiences. All right, disregard the awe that I 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.640 was in earlier. Okay, okay, Yeah, so it was an actress. 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.000 We've established that. So she's a gagg on the kitchen floor. 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.480 But luckily for her, it was July, so her windows 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.080 were open and she was apparently, through her gag, able 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.440 to make enough noise to attract the attention of her neighbors, 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.000 who called the police. And hopefully that was after they 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.680 had untied to say, oh, sorry, Dorothy, don't want to 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.760 disturb the crime scene. I would hope not said to 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:38.760 be here in half an hour. Yeah, but when the 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.320 police showed up, and of course eventually Bill comes home. Also, 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.200 Dorothy was not seriously injured. Apparently maybe a lump in 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.600 the head. That's about it. But they discovered some things 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.640 have been stolen, including a twenty two caliber revolver, an 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.120 antique watch, a movie camera, and a scanner radio. Remember 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.880 those scanner radios. Oh yeah, yeah, I know people who 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.920 still have those. Yeah. It movie camera the same as 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.840 a video camera. No, well, I mean I assume from 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.080 this area they're talking it might have been a video camera. 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:07.720 More likely it was like an old super eight K. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.400 It was. It was an old movie camera, but you know, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.160 the generation of cameras win from old movie cameras to VHS. 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:19.600 With the VHS with probably the it could have been. Yeah, 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.240 I don't know what kind it was. I don't know 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:26.160 what exactly. Something It was something around around those those 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.480 huge VHS ones, because I remember my brother and his 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.720 wife had one of those things, and those were enormous. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.000 My uncle had one, and I actually the only memories 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.640 I have of him are like of him videotaping everything 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.840 that was happening at family unions. He was never like participating. 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.120 It was very weird. We had one. My mom loved 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.520 it so much. It was so big that she had 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.600 to carry it around in my little red wagon because 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:50.280 it was so bulky to carry the recording unit and 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.200 the camera, so she would drag the wagon around and 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.800 then film things. Can I ride in the wagon? No, 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.240 the cameras in it? Oh man, I cannot wait to 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.920 be just like your mom. Okay, sorry, So okay, So 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:05.920 they stole that and they still the camera again. I 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.720 don't know how. The Super eight cameras are not that huge. Obviously, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.760 if it was one of those suitcase has once and 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.360 you know VHS ones and I don't know what else 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.280 did you take? That was about it. You might have 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.520 taken all their drugs, only real legal drugs, but they 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.480 didn't report that, and we'll just have to assume they 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.200 didn't have any right. They probably didn't. They might as 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.120 in prescription drugs. And that was about Yeah, in the 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.520 dining room to their house. So the burglar had used 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.360 to crayon to write a message on the wall which 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:35.560 said cheaper, but we'll do not unusual, not but not classy. 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.240 It's like, you know, that's bad enough. It's like getting 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.480 insult to injury. You know, he's steal their crapping and say, oh, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.600 by the way, you've got cheap, crappy stuff, you know. Okay, 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.920 that's what that meant, Okay, yeah, I just had a 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.559 hard time. It was there. You may not know the 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.560 answer to this, but was the cran one that he 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.520 had found in the house, Well, nobody knows, you know. 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.120 That's one of the things I'm kind of curious about, 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.200 is that I don't know that information. I wondered about 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.000 that myself, if he had brought it or just lay 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.360 it appears, and some things that happened later on that 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:06.719 a crayon plays a major role in this story. Did 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.840 look like I'm presuming that this person had their own 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:14.560 crayons color box? Probably No, probably not. They probably had 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.240 just the eight box. That's what made them so mad. 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.400 That was it. I mean, that was you know when 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:19.960 I was a little kid, that's all My parents would 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.319 let me have it, because, yeah, I didn't eat him, 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:29.280 I did other stuff with him. But yeah, the police, 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.720 of course did did stop by. They took a report, 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:33.720 and it even sat down with Dorothy and made a 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.520 composite drawing up her attacker, which you can find on 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.600 the World Wide Web if you look. You guys have 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.120 seen it. I'm sure I'm assuming. Uh looks like a 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:47.160 lot of mid eighties college dudes, kind of nondescript. It's 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:52.080 extremely nondescript, blonde, blue eyes, mid twenties and just really nondescript. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.559 Nobody in town recognized his face. So that was that 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.520 for that little incident. But then about four months later, 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.760 Bill on the plastic shopping bag on their porch, and 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.439 when he opened it turned out not to contain the 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.960 usual a half pound of dog poo. Instead, it had 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.680 his stolen twenty two revolver. And okay, I'm joking about 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:11.679 the dog poo, but it did have the twenty two 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.320 revolver in it, and which was kind of I guess 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.840 nice that somebody gave the gun back. But then over 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.440 the next several months, all the other stolen stuff also 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.719 turned up. And yeah, I know, so I don't know 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.680 if it turned up on the porch or just exactly 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.640 where I was going to ask you, because I've never 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:31.400 seen where the stuff appeared. You know, if it appeared, well, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:32.760 the guns the only one, but you know, if the 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.559 watch appeared in the house, then something different. Maybe somebody 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:42.760 just misplaced. That's entirely possible. Uh, yeah, I would assume 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.800 they were all. The inference there is that they were 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.599 all on the porch, probably just you know, left in 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.120 bags in the porch. Yeah. Yeah, maybe I'm not entirely sure, 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.400 but let's assume that for the sake of fun. But 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.840 we're still in the year, and in this year, the 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:01.760 Whackers also began to get phone calls. Um some of 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.160 them were just as sound as somebody breathing kind of heavy. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:11.760 Yeah this one, Oh yeah, Devin, wake up later. Yeah, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.000 come on, this is an exciting mystery. Yeah. Well, some 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.360 of the other phone calls, though, we're threatening, you know, actual, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.720 Although I don't have any quotes as to exactly what 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.520 the words of these threatening calls, I was going to say, 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.640 I've never seen any kind of transcription of them. Now, 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.400 the whackers actually didn't do a great job of documenting 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.640 every all these various incidents. You know, it would have 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.439 been nice that they had, but they didn't. They because 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.880 of the phone calls. They changed their phone number, and 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.880 then the guy apparently found their phone. Their new phone 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.760 numbers started calling again, changed the phone number again, and 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.559 the guy started calling them again. I have a question, 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:55.680 were their number unlisted? Good question? I mean, this is 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.440 the time where I would be pretty easy to just 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.880 I mean, it's not as though Whacker is such a 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.520 common name that that you would be able to, you know. 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.120 I mean, it would be pretty easy to open up 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.400 the phone book for that given town and say, all right, 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:13.120 Dorothy and Bill Whacker, there's their phone number. Oh good, 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.679 I found it again. I mean, yeah, I'm just kind 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.200 of assuming that somebody at the phone company when they 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.360 changed it, and they said, well, here's why they did. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.240 The phone company said, oh, you're probably gonna want it unlisted. 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.320 Then yeah, I would assume that too. But I would 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.280 also assume that they would have kept some sort of 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.120 record or transcript of the calls that they were getting 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.400 and the content of them. Well, that's true. That's a 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.080 good point. You at least say you know the time 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.679 of the date, you know, because like, for example, you know, 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.240 later on, if you have a suspect, you know, and 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.120 you can the call originated in this town and you 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.000 can prove that he was in this town on that date. 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.480 But if you don't know that kind of stuff, well, yeah, 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.040 you're kind of have a lot of aren't you proven 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.360 that so and so did it? So, yeah, they should 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.480 have done a better job of that. Well, but hey, 0:13:55.520 --> 0:14:01.200 they were old, right, Blame it on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, ages, Yeah, 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.520 I totally am uh. At some point though in this 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.280 this is long about the same time, a little after 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.880 somebody started pounding, maybe the eighty six or someone just 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.160 started having somebody started pounding on the side of their house. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.640 It was mainly on the west side. If you look 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.679 at the Google area they are I will tell you 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.920 what road. They were on Wooster Street, northwest in Massillon, Ohio, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.200 and they were north of the road, house facing the road, 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.640 and their driveway was on the east side of the house, 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.360 the drive and so that's where the pounding was coming from, 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.480 which makes sense because on the west side there was 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.640 another neighbor right there close by. The neighbors on both 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.200 sides happen to be closer than the other. Yeah, the 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.600 other one was quite a bit further away, a lot 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.640 further away, and so that would make sense that he 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.600 was he was on the driveway side of the house, right. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.840 But and all this thumping activity motivated able to install 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.920 a security line in the front of their house. But 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.560 all that n him was a taunting note from our perpetrator, 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.160 who wrote a note saying, quote, your lights are a 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.840 laugh unquote and uh. And also, by the way, I'm 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:00.560 tired of calling this guy per So I'm gonna call 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:05.440 him Matt Damon. We can serve you've done Matt Damon before, 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:10.800 done that Damon before. Yeah, let's call this one Justin Justin. Okay, Justin, 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.640 that sounds good. Okay. This note was the first note 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.920 from Justin. This turns out Justin's got really lousy handwriting. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.600 The police had a theory about that. They thought that 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.880 Justin was just writing with his weak hand. In other words, 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:25.680 if he was right and he was writing these with 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:30.280 his left hand handwriting, and I bet there's no way. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.520 I don't know this, I'm just totally spitballing, but I 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.800 would assume that it would be really hard to analyze 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.960 someone's non dominant hand handwriting because there's no well in 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.760 cran But even like there's no I don't know that 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.400 you would even be able to. I don't think I 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.760 form letters the same way like when I write with 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.920 my left hand and A and then the next A 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:55.000 is probably totally different because I am so right dominated that, 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.440 you know. I think it's probably pretty clever. Actually it's not. 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.880 It's not a trick that's enter heard of either. Yeah, 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.040 but in this case, yeah, we're talking left hand. But 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:08.920 also our perp justin. Yeah. It was also careful not 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.160 to leave the fingerprints on the notes, so he knew 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.640 what he was doing. But the banging on the side 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.800 of the house continued. More notes arrived, and one note 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:22.480 read quote you scum, I'll get even no junk poor 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.760 and I I put a nice little pause in there. 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:28.080 Actually there was that was bad, bad punctuation in this note, 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.720 you scumb I'll get you even. Yeah, here's here's how 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.520 I should have read you scumb I'll get you, I'll 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.920 get even no junk. But here's how it actually read. 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:40.000 You scumb I'll get even no junk because no punctuation. Yeah, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.880 I'm just I'm interested in the word choice that's happening 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.480 here too. You know, like your lights are a laugh 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.720 that sounds like a film noir kind of you know 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.640 term and you scum, I'll get you. They all. It 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.680 all kind of sounds like Perry Mason, sort of like 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.240 hearken of a detective novel. I've doesn't it a little 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.639 bit like it's weird? Yeah, you're right, it sounds like 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:08.720 something out of like a like a Humphrey Bogard detective movie. Yeah, scump, 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.240 look good even no junk. Yeah, yeah, that kind of thing. Oh, 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.560 back to our story. This stuff went on for a 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.800 long time, but actually not. There were long periods of 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.000 time where a lot of time would go by, months 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.720 and months and months would go by with absolutely no incidents. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.480 Wasn't there a year that was yeah? I think so, yeah, 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.920 maybe more. But then sooner or later Justin would come 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.920 back and go back to his his evil deeds. Um. 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.480 But things came to a head kind of in October, 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:38.600 like late October, Dorothy was attacked again by Justin. Damn 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.440 you Justin, who's not up behind her or somebody's stuck 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:43.960 up behind her and hit her on the head again. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.320 Now this time your injuries were more serious than the 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.879 previous knock on the head. So she had scalp lacerations 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:52.840 that I think had to be stitched. And I read 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.639 somewhere on the webs that she got a fractured skull, 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.120 But I don't think that this is true. I think 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.520 she just got some lacerations that was about it. I 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.560 don't know, It's it's hard to say. I mean, she 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.320 was an old woman at this point, and your skull 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.040 is kind of eggshell thin in spots, so it's possible 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.560 maybe she got Yeah, so if she had to wear 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:17.639 a cast on her skull for a while, Yeah, I know. Yeah, 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.880 my grandma years back took a fall and she had 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:22.840 to be held and she had bleeding, you know, blood 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.760 on the brain, had to be held, and it wasn't 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:26.600 I mean, it was pretty bad fault. That was pretty 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.280 bad fault. But I would imagine that it would be 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.520 similar to getting whacked on the head with a hard object, 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.919 So I would presume that it was serious. Honestly, anybody 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.800 getting hit on the head with something hard, like unless 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.080 you're a child, because children are just made of like bullet. Yeah, 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.560 they're they're they're totally okay with this kind of stuff. Yeah, 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:50.399 they're fine, So it's okay to hear your kids just kidding. Well, anyway, 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.560 the police did take this attack a little more seriously 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.440 because there was blood, and they canvassed the neighborhood asking 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.680 if anybody seemed justin or anything odd for that matter, 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.240 and nobody has seen or heard anything. Police also at 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.160 this point asked Dorothy if she thought it was possible 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.720 that maybe Bill was he was the perpetrator of these incidents, 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.199 and she said no, no, of course, not, no, he said, no, 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.160 are you kidding now, Bill? But would never do this? 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:19.920 She Kiana reaves it. No, Oh my gosh, that is crazy. No, 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:26.399 that's good, good acting, good impression. So maybe because of 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.119 this violent incident in November that would have been a 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.919 few weeks after Dorothy was attacked, Bill and two of 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.520 his son laws staked out the house one night. I 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.560 gotta tell you that I read about this and then 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.720 I watched the re enactment, and this just sounds like 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:46.280 the clugiest, silliest thing ever. But also the other reason 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.120 that it's like crazy that they would do this, right 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:50.840 is they would they did it for such a short 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:52.520 amount of time, which Joell talked about in a second, 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:57.200 But also there were years that went by between incidents, right, 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.680 so why would you say, oh, this is the night 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:03.080 we're a steak out. Actually I actually thought about that 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:07.160 they may have done it several times and didn't say 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:11.040 anything to the cast or the crew that of unsolved mysteries, 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:15.800 because only this one time did it actually have anything happen. 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.919 But that that that maybe as possible. But still, you know, 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.520 they could have been in for a long long wait. 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.399 We're talking a long long sight. So tell folks, what, 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.520 what's what's going on here? Yeah, so they're, uh, they're 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.160 staking a place out. So they apparently got a trailer 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:37.680 that they parked in the driveway. Uh not suspicious, Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:42.880 What this so such a plan? Yeah exactly. I'm calling 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:44.400 it a lot of things. Maybe they were a little 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.520 more subtle about it. I mean, maybe maybe Bill bought 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:48.919 this trailer and thought, I'm gonna do some steakouts. I'm 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:50.840 gonna buy the trailer now in the summer. Just put 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.360