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Speaker 1: Thinking So Sadways, the hard hitting podcast. Yeah I can't

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Speaker 1: tackle another cool mystery. UM. This week we are going

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Speaker 1: to talk about a strange series of instance that happened

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Speaker 1: back in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties and a

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Speaker 1: million hands and about twenty seven stone. Yeah, right in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got them all. And before we go any further,

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Speaker 1: So Bill and Dorothy Whacker fairly normal people. They seemed

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Speaker 1: were the perpetrator justin, you'd probably be thinking, Wow, what's

424
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 1: what the trailer in the van? Yeah? Yeah. Their stick

425
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: up began about six thirty pm, went on for about

426
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: four hours, and at which time they decided to call

427
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: it a night. And Dorothy was in the house. Not

428
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: by yourself. Oh that's right, I forgot about that. Yeah,

429
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 1: And Dorothy was in the house with her daughter, Kathyrn

430
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: Bill's daughter Cathy. Uh. And so when they started to

431
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 1: call it a night about ten thirty pm, right about then,

432
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: persons stake out. I'm sorry, I love it. They're they're

433
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: like they saw all the all the nomenclature from all

434
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: the police procedural shows that they've watched and stuff like that.

435
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: And then and for yeah radio they had radio. Sorry

436
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 1: to question that. Let me just ask a question real

437
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: quick here, Um did that time correspond with the majority

438
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: of the incident? Says we're I mean, we're most of

439
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: the bangings happening in this kind of six to ten

440
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: hour Is that why they picked that or were they

441
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: just you know, being kind of lazy. I was never

442
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: I never found out exactly what time of the night.

443
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: It appears that it seems like they were intended to

444
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: be awake when the banking is happening, and it appears

445
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: that usually happen at night, after dark, which makes a

446
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: lot of sense, but we're usually awake, so probably something

447
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: like that. They were kind of older, so they probably

448
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: didn't stay up to the you know old Yeah, and

449
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: so because I know that, yeah, I know that at

450
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: least a lot of them happened when they were awake,

451
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: because Bill would at a certain point would jump up

452
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: and grab his kun and go outside and try to

453
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: see that, you know, the gun that had been stolen,

454
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: which she got back, which, by the way, I help

455
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: you testified that thing to make sure it actually worked

456
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: after he got it back, give it back. Yeah, well, yeah,

457
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: you file the s, you file the you know, the

458
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: firing pin down and you know, and then hey, here

459
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: it is you know. Yeah, shoot me, sorry, I just

460
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: wanted to ask that clarifying question to kind of give

461
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: a little context. So at ten thirty, when they finally

462
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: called it a night, something happened, Yes, something happened. Suddenly

463
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: Dorothy and Cathy inside the house. Here there's stumping noise

464
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: on the front of the house, and then went outside,

465
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: and of course Bill comes over from the trailer and stuff.

466
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: And it turns out there was a note from Justin

467
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: on the porch which said vote get the message unquote.

468
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: Sounds a little threatening, pretty little bit, but also what like,

469
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: there's not really been a clear message here. What's the message? Yeah, well,

470
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: and who's who's getting Is it Bill and Dorothy are

471
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: supposed to get the message or is it Justin gets

472
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: the message? But I think I think what he was saying,

473
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I I read this is you should get

474
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: the message Bill and Dorothy. But the message, well, the

475
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: message must have been your haunted there's ghosts. Maybe I'll

476
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: stopped trying to catch me, yeah. Or maybe the message was,

477
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, you should check these walls. They might have

478
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: termites in him. I don't know. I really don't know

479
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: what the message was. He might have been trying to

480
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: drive them out of the house. I don't know, but anyway,

481
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: it was it was quite a clever move when you

482
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: got the houses under surveillance from three different people. They're

483
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: you know, watching the front porch and you somehomes to

484
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: sneak a note onto the porch, you know, and thumping

485
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: the wall and everything like that, so you gotta get

486
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: that to justin. Good, good move, justin. But actually it's

487
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: not a total ninja movie. You could have pulled it

488
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: off if you approached from the back of the house

489
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: on the north side and you came south along the

490
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: west side of the house, or on the other side

491
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: of the driveway. We're building the trailer can't see you.

492
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: It turns out if you look on street view from

493
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: the driveway of the house across the way where the

494
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: van was. Between that west side of the house and

495
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: the van, there was a tree and a bush. We

496
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: don't know if that tree was there at that time,

497
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: though the tree is large enough I would expect it

498
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: was or another tree like it. But yeah, you're right,

499
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: it's possibly years ago. Yeah, it's possible that it wasn't.

500
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: But anyway, but you know, I'm thinking that probably there

501
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: was something there, some sort of shrubley, but you're right.

502
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: And also it was dark. I'm assuming these guys didn't

503
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 1: have night vision equipment. Yeah, and so yeah, yeah, so

504
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: somebody could have just sort of slid down the side

505
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: of the house and just just you know, reached around

506
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: through the rail. He's put the note on the porch,

507
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, and then slid on, slid on out of there,

508
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: and you know, not not that hard to do really,

509
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: But still I'm impressed that he saw this surveillance and

510
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, one around it. Good for him. I guess

511
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be taking this side, should I? Yeah? Yeah,

512
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: the evils com But I don't know what happened. Maybe

513
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: the the increase the police interests and maybe the steak

514
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: out itself spooked him a bit because as far as

515
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: I know, I've I've looked on the webs to see

516
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: what I can find out about further harassment. As far

517
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: as I know that this was it where it ended.

518
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: This is about where it ended. As far as I

519
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: know was in nineteen late n Well, yeah, I don't know.

520
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: I think that maybe gives some credence to Steve's theory

521
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: that it was the note get the message was Justin saying, oh,

522
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: I get the message. I'm not wanted here. Never mind,

523
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: this isn't a fun thing we do together. You you

524
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: guys are like scared of me. Okay, fine, I'll leave.

525
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: That could have been She's not fun anymore. Yeah, I

526
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: get the message. Yeah, maybe that's what it was. He

527
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: was referring to the steak out to the van and

528
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and I get the message and I'm leaving. Yeah,

529
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: maybe that's what it was. I don't know. You'll miss

530
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: me when I'm going. Yeah. He could have been a

531
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: little more articulate, damn it. Least use punctuation, ye man, Yeah,

532
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: come on, just get it together. Damn Justin. So Justin

533
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: like left their lives as just as quietly as he

534
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: came into their lives. We never had any We never

535
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: We don't know why it happened or anything. A little

536
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: more quietly, let's be fair. Yeah, Yeah, Bill Bill Whacker

537
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: died in Dorothy lived in that same house until she died,

538
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: or at least she owned the house and maybe she

539
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: was living somewhere else. I don't know, but she still

540
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: own now still and then her daughter Peggy bought the

541
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 1: place and owns it today. Yeah. And so if you're

542
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: out the way out that way, if you're attempted to

543
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: go thump on the wall, leave it out. Well, I

544
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: never heard of you. I had no I don't know

545
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I would recommend not doing that.

546
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: You shouldn't, you know, I mean, I don't know. This

547
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: story is still kind of active on the web, and

548
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: it might be that people actually do just for the

549
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: sheer fun of it. Go do that if if you

550
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: can find out their address, which if you look on

551
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: the web you can't find the address because people are jerks,

552
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: and put it out there. Yeah, exactly, we're not doing that.

553
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: We don't know. Peggy might not be as good humored

554
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: about the whole thing as her parents were, so she

555
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: might have like a shotgun. So I wouldn't recommend it.

556
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: But well, it's almost time to talk about some theories.

557
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: But first let's take a break. Knock knock degree. Well,

558
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,480
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559
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579
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Speaker 1: three three. That was terrible joke, wasn't it? But did

580
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: you get what I was thinking? What's that I don't know,

581
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: and we're back. Okay, let's talk about some theories. And

582
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of theories out there in the worldwide

583
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: webs I put a list um here, then I showed

584
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: you guys, uh, and you guys have any other theories

585
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: you wanted to add onto this. Well, there's some stuff

586
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: that comes up through this that I think we're probably

587
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: gonna add to. But I wouldn't say there's any new theories.

588
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes here. Compared to the list that

589
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: you've the five pages of theories you have here, there's

590
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: all kinds of theories. Yeah, well some of them are

591
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, kind of like similar to others too. Yeah,

592
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: there's derivatives there are. There are that. But let's go

593
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: through some of the classics that are out there, because again,

594
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: this this is like a thirty year old mystery. So

595
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: there are people have been talking about. There's this one.

596
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll link to it or not.

597
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: That might be kind of child abuse. But this is

598
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: one thread out there that's thirteen years long. I set

599
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: you guys at length, right, Yeah, thirteen years Yeah, I

600
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: never actually I got to confess, never made it. Entirely

601
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: all the way through it. I had to con Yeah,

602
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: just keep going. I'll just read while I talk here.

603
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: Long thread, but let's let's go for some of the

604
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: best ones. One is that developers wanted to get their land.

605
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: And a lot of people have thought this. You know,

606
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: there are somebody's trying to scare the old people out

607
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: of their house, and so you know why, while somebody

608
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: wanted the house, somebody wanted to land, So some developer

609
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: wanted to land. And the reason I don't like this

610
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: theory is that nobody, at least as far as Bill

611
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: and Dorothy reported, nobody ever actually approached them about selling

612
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: their house their land, which is usually what developers do

613
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: if they're interested, even the evil nefarious ones, at least

614
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: trying to buy you out first. Well, yeah, it's a

615
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: lot easier in spending ten years trying to scare somebody

616
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: off the land the way Scooby Doo would have never

617
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: become a thing. Yeah. Well, and another reason I think

618
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: this is a kind of absurd theory is if you

619
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: look at it on the on aerial Google whatever, their

620
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: their parcel was actually very tiny compared to neighboring parcels.

621
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: It's a little bit one. It's really a sliver. Yeah,

622
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: it kind of is. Uh. And also I can't imagine

623
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: anybody wanted to develop anything on on Wooster Street anyway,

624
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: because I mean you've seen it on street, you uh

625
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: that you see any new glitzy new subdivisions or shopping

626
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: malls or anything out there. Well, the fact that nobody,

627
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: nobody did anything is why I don't think that this

628
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: this has any any weight to it. Well, obviously you

629
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: don't see the part here, right, is that the whackers

630
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: were lacker, right, Yeah, they were the pivotal they were

631
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: the lynchpen of the whole operation, right, So they were

632
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: going to be like that. They were going to open

633
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: the floodgates as as soon as they sold, everyone around

634
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: them was going to say, oh, well they got so

635
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: much money for their tiny little piece, we'll sell you

636
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: know for you know, pennies on the dollars on the

637
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: penny or whatever. Then I think, I like, they would

638
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: think it was dollars on the penny, but it was

639
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: actually pennies on the dollar, and they weren't getting really

640
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: as much in Bulah. I mean that was obviously the

641
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: whole thing, right. They were going to come in and

642
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: offer the old people what would have to those people

643
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: been a relatively large amount of money, but really property

644
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: so much and then demolished the whole thing and put

645
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: up a glitzy new suburb. Yeah, or a shopping mall

646
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: or something something that was going to be multimillion dollars. Yeah,

647
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: but those those evil whackers foiled the whole plan, and

648
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: so nothing ever happened. Yeah. No, I think this is

649
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: a dumb theory. I'm sorry. I don't think you're dumb.

650
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 1: I think it's a dumb theory. Oh no, no, it's

651
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: not my theory, but I had to put it out

652
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: there because other people think so. Uh. And there's no

653
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: that kind of similar kind of theory, which is that

654
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: one of their neighbors wanted the house. This idea is

655
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: that one of the neighbors, maybe one of their house

656
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: because it was a kind of suitable thing to put

657
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: up a family member, kind of what we would call

658
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 1: a mother in law apartment, all right, you know, and

659
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: so and so there. Their house is not that big

660
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: and if you again, if you look at it on Google,

661
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: which I guess I'm not gonna give you the address,

662
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: so you can't really do that. But we're talking a

663
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: couple of bedrooms, maybe a couple of bedrooms, one bath,

664
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: modest little place, and uh so it would have been

665
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: a good place for your mother in law. Whoever, or

666
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: another variant on this is maybe a neighbor wanted it

667
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: to expand their agricultural operations, although it doesn't seem to

668
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: be much in the way of agriculture going on in

669
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: that neighborhood. So I'm really doubting that one. Actually that's

670
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: not true. Yeah, if you pull the satellite footage and

671
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: you look at it over time to the north of them,

672
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: there's actually all and actually directly to the one property

673
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: to the east of them, you can see that that

674
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: that there's a bunch of big plots to get farmed.

675
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: So actually, no, I know about that, but I mean

676
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: their immediate neighbors don't seem that. Yeah, the one right

677
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: next door was farming a big chunk of ground right there.

678
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: You could see like them, you can't tell if you

679
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: just go to maps and turn on the satellite. What

680
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: you have to do is put on the time progression

681
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: and then you can see where things get mode and

682
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: they get tilled, and so they weren't working it. I

683
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell they ever growing, but they

684
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: were doing something to it. But but I mean, realistically,

685
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: I think what the point Joe is trying to make,

686
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: right is that like even if somebody is, you know,

687
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: working the land, the plot of land at the whackers own, yeah,

688
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: like for a ten years campaign, and then again, nobody

689
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: ever had actually approached them, you would think that at

690
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: some point one of the neighbors would have said, you know,

691
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: it sounds like you guys are really suffering. Why don't

692
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: take this off your hands for you? Nobody did paid

693
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: for it, No nobody ever did. That's true, And you

694
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: think they would have actually turned up the heat a

695
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: little bit too, although I guess you could argue that

696
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: they did with that attack on Northern and I suppose

697
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: you could say that, uh yeah, But the mother in

698
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: law apartment then makes a little bit more sense than

699
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: somebody just expanding their farm, although you think it would

700
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: be one of the neighbors immediately adjacent, right, because if

701
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: it's somebody down the road little way, so well, what's

702
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: the point of that you just got Well, I I've

703
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: got to say, not everybody wants their mother in law

704
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: right next door. Yea, sometimes it's nice to have a

705
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: little distance. Oh yeah, for sure. But then but then

706
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: why I focus on the whackers? I mean really, I

707
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: don't know, Joe. I mean, they get this is this

708
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: is just as as much hooey as the last one

709
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: that we talked about. They maybe it's the people who

710
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: are up, you know, not the next door but the

711
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: next door to the next door neighbor. And they thought, well,

712
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: we'll surround the next door neighbor and make it so

713
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: miserable for them to still be there that they'll sell

714
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: out too, and then we'll get the whole thing. Oh wow,

715
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: and that will sell it for a shopping mall. Yeah,

716
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: that could have been that. But again, yeah, it's just yeah,

717
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: nobody ever approached them, and also nobody murdered them, and

718
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: I think that would be easier. At some point in

719
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: that tenure campaign, you think, why wout we just kill them? Yeah,

720
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: let's just murder them. Yeah, and then you like, you know,

721
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: take their blood and you scroll satanic messages all over

722
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: the walls of the house, and that that guarantees you're

723
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: gonna get that house for a really really cheap. Yeah.

724
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: Although there's there's one thing about this Seria, I really

725
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: like what it will explain why this campaign feels without

726
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: in the nineties, which is maybe the mother in law

727
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: finally died and made the whole thing to move point. Okay,

728
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: still a bad theory, all right, Uh okay, let's move

729
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: on to our next theory, which this one somebody was

730
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: just a dirt bag, which is a real possibility. I mean,

731
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: it could have been somebody just who wanted to stir

732
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: up a bit of trouble for somebody, make somebody's laugh

733
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: a little harder, a little more miserable. And based on

734
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: my own experience, there's a lot of people like that

735
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: are yeah. And I know Steve, you had you had

736
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: something about that you wanted to sho. I found a

737
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: connection to this, which is I know that I can't

738
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: be the only one that's ever made the connection. But

739
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: you guys have heard of the Circleville letter writer, which

740
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: Circleville is like two hours to the west southwest of

741
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: How did you say this town name again? By the way,

742
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: apologizes to the residents of massilf. I'm mispronouncing. Okay, well,

743
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna run with that pronunciation. But between nineteen seventy

744
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: six and three, somebody went on a massive letter writing

745
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: campaign in that town harassing the residents of the town.

746
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: Um like there was somebody that they discovered was having

747
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: a school bus driver was having an affair with the superintendent,

748
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: so writing threatening letters. The weird thing was the letters

749
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: weren't being postmarked from that town. Instead, they were coming

750
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: from Columbus, which is again like an hour drive away,

751
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: So it was a really weird thing. But in three

752
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: the woman who the bus driver who was getting acute

753
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: all the letters about her affair, found signs on the

754
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: side of the road saying slanders things about her, went

755
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: up to tear it down, saw a box on it

756
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: had to wherewithal to stop she was doing, and somehow

757
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy opened the box to find a gun in it,

758
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: which they to, which they tracked to somebody else in

759
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: that Poor schleb spent like ten plush years in the

760
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: clink for it, but it's stopped and he The thing

761
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: with the Circleville letter writer is that the guy who

762
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: went to jail, he was getting letters in jail from

763
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: the letter writer. So it's like, what, it can't be him.

764
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: But if we look at Bill and Dorothy, when did

765
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: things start up with them though eighty four? So if

766
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: this guy leaves town from Circleville in eight three eight

767
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: lady eighty three, early eighty four and moves to this town.

768
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I really kind of enjoyed

769
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: just checking people around. Hey there's another innocent couple that

770
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: I can take my wrath out on. Yeah, but why

771
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: would he actually like physically attack them. Though you've used

772
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: this term before, escalation, Its worked through writing all these

773
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: more vicious and vicious things, and then someday let's take

774
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: it to the let's go face to face with them.

775
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: It's it's not the same, but it's an interesting connection

776
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: of that somebody who went on a campaign for about

777
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: ten years in one town disappeared at a new campaign

778
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: that lasted about another ten years, started up two hours away. Yeah,

779
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's uh, yeah, it is an interesting connection.

780
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: Although um yeah, yeah. The only thing I'm thinking is

781
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: that he singled out these just this one set of

782
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: people who said of a lot of people like he did,

783
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: and you know back in circle if it's a circle, Yeah,

784
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: that guy went after a lot of the residents of

785
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: that town. He did. I'm still kind of curious about

786
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: that case, but we'll talk about that maybe some of

787
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: the because it is an interesting story. I know a

788
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: few people have suggested that one too, but that's entirely

789
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: possible that it could have just been some dirtbag, although again,

790
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: this doesn't explain why this particular dirtbag chose the Whackers

791
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: of all. People don't really know that they may have

792
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: ignited his rage somehow. There's a few possibilities, which is, uh,

793
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: maybe some neighborhood kids had a grudge against them, which happens.

794
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what kind of people the

795
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: Whackers were, because I know when I was a kid, like,

796
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: we had this, uh, one particular old cajure that lived

797
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: down the street from us, and he hated all the

798
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: neighborhood kids and we hated him all back. And I

799
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: actually never did anything to provoke the guy personally, but still,

800
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't like him just on general principles,

801
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: and you know, he didn't like that I was a

802
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: kid in my neighborhood. He had the best climbing tree. Yeah,

803
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: of course, they always have like the best something exactly,

804
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: and it wasn't fenced in or anything. We always want

805
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: to climb that tree, and he always come out with

806
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: his little ayer gun. He did not like kids. It

807
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: was just we hated him back. You know, you don't

808
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: climb his tree because you hate him. Yeah, yeah, I know.

809
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: But although I actually don't blame him for shooting your

810
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: kids because I wouldn't want kids. I wouldn't want kids

811
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: climbing my tree there for legal nus as well as

812
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: I knew Joe was going to go to legal angle.

813
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, so what these kids decide that Bill and

814
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 1: Dorothy are such old cranks that we're just going to

815
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: torture him. Yeah, or well, I think it was I

816
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: don't think it was a bunch of kids. I think

817
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: what happened. What it could have been is that one

818
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: of those kids grew up and for whatever reason, he

819
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: remembered his grudge. Maybe he wasn't the most you know,

820
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: well adjusted person. Would have been one of the kids

821
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: that went to school with their children something like that too.

822
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: But the reason I don't like this series is that

823
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: there's nothing if you look at their property, there's nothing

824
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: about it that would actually cause them to actually have

825
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: to interact with any kids. I mean, there were no

826
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: attractive nuisances nearby, I know, great climbing trees. Uh, there's

827
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: no reason for the kids to be cutting across their property.

828
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: Well that's why I was saying. Maybe it was a

829
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: kid that one of their kids went to school with.

830
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: And you know, one day the daughter was trying to

831
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: date some or some guy was trying to date their daughter,

832
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: and Bill came out and did the old you know,

833
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: I've got a shotgun and stay away from my girl anythin. Well,

834
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: jerk and never I don't know. I mean, you know,

835
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: he could have done long rudge though, you know what,

836
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: it has taken a lot less to set people off.

837
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the McCoy's in the hat Fields went

838
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: in it for years over the littlest crap ture that

839
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: so we don't really know. Of course, the whackers say

840
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: that they can't imagine who would want to do anything

841
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: like this to them. We're very nice people there, of course,

842
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: so nice people, I know, I know. Yeah, apparently they

843
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: had forgotten about all those people that they fleeced in

844
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: those pyramid schemes back in the nineteen seventies. But uh,

845
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: but they did. They did say that they had no

846
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: idea who possibly could have anything against them, and that's

847
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: what they told the police too. And uh apparently so

848
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: they had let blameless lives and there really was no

849
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: reason for anybody to hate them, or maybe they really

850
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: had screwed so many people they just couldn't pick out

851
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: anyone person in particular. But on the other hand, if

852
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: they had successfully screwed so many people, than you think

853
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: they'd lived in a nicer, bigger house to which they

854
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: weren't real. Yeah, I don't. I don't think there's anything

855
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: to that. That house was pretty modest, so I think

856
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: they probably you know, But but again, you never know

857
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: when you're gonna like, you know, there's even when we

858
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: try to be a decent being's still getting the wrong

859
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: side of somebody. Ye, yeah, it's gonna happen. But yeah,

860
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 1: as far as some random why some random person would

861
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: select just the whackers, I just don't know. There there

862
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: are cases where stalkers have started stalking people for no

863
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: logical reason. I have, uh, a friend who had who

864
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: knew somebody who was pregnant, young and fairly someonet attractive

865
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: but married and obviously pregnant, and some guys started stalking

866
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: her and it was like, what's going on with that? Yeah,

867
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: there's no real brhyme or reason to it, So you

868
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: know that it is possible So those are some of

869
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: the theories as to why some mysterious stranger would have

870
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: done this to the whackers. And let's going to a

871
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: sories Phase two. Now Phase two initiated. Yeah, there you

872
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: go click click click clickick Joe, you're showing your age. No,

873
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: no computer, use tape anymore. You can go click click, click, click,

874
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: nothing goes do did you do? Do either? So I

875
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: would crack my phone will if I ask you to know.

876
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the computer on Star Trek. You

877
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: know what's is I got, you know, conculating and because

878
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: they had a bunch of cards and no, no they

879
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: didn't have cars, had like all sorts of metal rods

880
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: clacking around in there, and the starship Enterprise. You want

881
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: to talk about phase you want to talk about phase two?

882
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: All right? That sort gets a little more interesting, which

883
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: is that another possibility is that could have been one

884
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: or both of the whackers themselves. They were kind of

885
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: psycho and doing this stuff, you know, themselves, for god

886
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: knows what reasons. Yeah, it could have been them. Uh.

887
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: Some people have wondered if perhaps it wasn't them, including

888
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: the police. Well, yeah, like they talked about before, they

889
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: asked Dorothyach thought Bill could do it and absolutely not.

890
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: But obviously some people have wondered this, uh, and so well,

891
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna go through these series and we will answer

892
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: the question for you everybody, right, because we had the

893
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: answers to everything. Okay, here's another theory that's out there. Again,

894
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: these are not just my theories or yours. One series

895
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: that Bill did it because he wanted to induce a

896
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: heart attack. One thing that I didn't mention is that

897
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: Dorothy had had some heart issues back in the That's

898
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: why she was home for when she got attacked the

899
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: first time. Yeah, she was recovering from heart surgery. And

900
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: so he was hoping to induce a heart attack and

901
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Dorothy and collect on her life insurance well, which is

902
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: a possibility, I guess, although I don't know if they

903
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: actually had a life insurance policy, had never heard of one.

904
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: Didn't an exorbitant amount, at least because they would have

905
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: always mentioned it on Unsolved Mysteries if there was. I'm

906
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: sure that's a stock question. Do you have life insurance?

907
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: How much recently? Yeah? Recently? Bam. I Uh. He would

908
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: think that after after at least a couple of years

909
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: of this crap and then no heart attack. Bill would

910
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: have lost his patience and just running over with the lawnmower. Yeah,

911
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: if he was trying to do that, yes, oh my god,

912
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: I didn't see her. I okay. So maybe not insurance.

913
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: But maybe Bill did it just because he was kind

914
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: of sick of Dorothy and wanted to go gone. Mean

915
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: he just dead again, trying to induce the heart attack.

916
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: Maybe that, or maybe you know, he just wanted to

917
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: scare it and moving out. I'm picturing the scenario where

918
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, Bill, I can't take it anymore. We've

919
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: got to get out of here. Well, I'm not leaving

920
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: for nothing. They're not running me off my land, and no,

921
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I just gotta go. Okay, Finn, you

922
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: go okay? So you so, yeah, I kind of a

923
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: kind of a little separation there and that that never

924
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: happened either. It might have been the Bill did it

925
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: because he was retired, he was bored, and he wanted

926
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: some attention or just wanted something to do. But maybe

927
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: to flip that around, maybe it was Dorothy and she

928
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: did it for that exact same reason, maybe because she

929
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: was retired and board and maybe because Bill was retired

930
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: and board. She wanted to give him something to do

931
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: because he was getting on her nerves. Maybe that was it.

932
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: So you know, why why someone would you know, hit

933
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: themselves over the head or otherwise inflict bodily harm just

934
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: to give their husband something to do. Well, that's how

935
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: dedicated to why she was. Yeah, we should all strive

936
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: to be that dedicated. Yeah, yeah, that's the first. You

937
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: do that in your honeymoon and flicked a serious head

938
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: injury in yourself just for yourhubby. Okay, yeah, we'll do that.

939
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: Well scuba diving, Yeah, exactly, it always works out the

940
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: best thing, Yeah, I think so. Yeah, just wait that

941
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: best really heavy? Yeah, super heavy, and what's another series? Well,

942
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: Bill and Dorothy both did it for any mixture of

943
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: the above reasons. They were bored and wanted attention. Maybe

944
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: when the discussions online, I'm sure you guys read a

945
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff. At least about half the people

946
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: out there just don't like this sory. There's the reasoning

947
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: is kind of like, I just can't imagine two old

948
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: people doing something like that. Sure, if they were younger,

949
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: young people do scummy stuff all the time, but as

950
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: people cross that line in the old age, that scumminess disappears,

951
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: totally disappears. There's no such thing as a scunny old person.

952
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: Never happened ever, Oh I know, I know, And yeah,

953
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: you can go your whole life with an i Q

954
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: of eighty five, but when you cross the age of

955
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: sixty five, suddenly your why don't don't don't ask me

956
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: how it happens. But yeah, count Yeah, so it could

957
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: be that one of the wackers put on this whole

958
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: show again bodily harm but that but the story over

959
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: all doesn't and it doesn't really make a lot of

960
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: sense Otherwise when you really think about it, I would

961
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: say that I disagree with that because I just realized

962
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: you are missing something from this list of Phase two suspects.

963
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: A family member kids. Yeah, well, okay, so if you

964
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: stop and think about this, it could have been the kids,

965
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: or it could have been a grand kid, okay, because

966
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: they're in their fifties and sixties, so it's possible but

967
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: probably unlikely there was a grandkid. But there's a lot

968
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: of things that made me think that it was family member.

969
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: I tried to dig up records on anybody in their family,

970
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: because there's the daughters and the son in laws, and

971
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: I got one of our mods who is good with

972
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: some of that kind of research to help me out

973
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: to try and find stuff on them. But if you

974
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: think about it, they changed their phone number multiple times,

975
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: and the person had it almost right away they were home,

976
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: and the person always knew when they were home or

977
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: more importantly, when they were gone to break in, and

978
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: they didn't report the first couple of burglaries, which almost

979
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: gives me the idea that maybe they knew that the

980
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: black sheep of the family, you know, was having issues.

981
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean it could be somebody on medication issues for

982
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: mental health reasons or just something like that. And so you, oh,

983
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: oh so great, Justin I figured out is off of

984
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: his meds. Again, We're not going to call the cops.

985
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: He's you know, he's going to get the help he

986
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: needs and it'll be fine. And then Justin just does

987
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: it again, and of Finn, you know what I mean,

988
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: Like people do that for their family. They will put

989
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: up with a lot of crush and families. I mean,

990
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: it could be maybe Bill and Dorothy had no idea,

991
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: but you know, one of their daughters totally knew and

992
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: was covering for that person, whether it be again for

993
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, somebody with medication, because the medication issues is

994
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: what I always think of when I feel when I

995
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: read about the the six months to year gaps, because

996
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes people are on the straight and narrow

997
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: and then something happens and suddenly they're a kimbo again,

998
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: and then they are going to go ahead and start

999
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: doing these weird things. There's just too much that's too

1000
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: close to home for me to say that it's anybody

1001
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: but a family member. That's that's my problem with this

1002
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: whole story. I guess I just keep having that issue

1003
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: with the with the actual physical attacks. Well, you know,

1004
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: it's one thing to say, Okay, well, you know Justin

1005
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: was office Medsin came in, was like knocking on doors

1006
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,479
Speaker 1: and like writing stupid letters and like kind of doing

1007
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't almost just like you know, pultry stuff, right,

1008
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of just annoying stuff. But it's

1009
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: another thing to say, like and then Justin hit her

1010
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: over the head as hard as he freaking could with

1011
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: a bat and left her for dead, you know what

1012
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean. Like those are two very different. But if

1013
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: Justin is completely off his rocker, maybe he may not

1014
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: have that thing and you know, okay, so, and the

1015
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: the other side of this is okay, So we're saying,

1016
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: maybe this is somebody who's being corrected by their medication.

1017
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: Could be the black sheep of the family who, let's say,

1018
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: has a drug problem and so they're needing money. So

1019
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: that attack on Dorothy where the guy had the car issues,

1020
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: could very easily have been Justin got his buddy Aaron

1021
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: and said, hey, Aaron, go knock on the door and

1022
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: use the phone, and then you leave the door open

1023
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: and I'll come in and I'll clock her on the

1024
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: head and we'll we'll get some stuff so we can

1025
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: score some smack. I mean it rings of that same

1026
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: kind of scenario, but something justin air and have gotten

1027
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: off of everything. But then Justin comes to his senses

1028
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: and feels bad and slowly starts giving it back. But

1029
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: it's still does weird crap. How was it going to

1030
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: give back to stuff that they pond or trade for drugs?

1031
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know the answer to this. I mean,

1032
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: maybe Aaron got cold feet once they let the house.

1033
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: I have no idea what went down here, but my

1034
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: point is it just seems too close to home. Have

1035
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: you guys Um, there's the Kaikendal case. Did you guys

1036
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: ever read about that one? Okay, this is a family

1037
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: that started getting harassing text messages and the text messages

1038
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: were supposedly originating from one of their own, chilled, sixteen

1039
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: year old daughter's phones, and people are like, oh my god,

1040
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: they're being stocked. There being you know, so they change

1041
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: phones and it keeps happening. People, well, they must be hated,

1042
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: but really, so much evidence. I mean, they went through

1043
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: like three or four or five phones of piece, changing

1044
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: their numbers and changing physical devices, and somehow this kept happening.

1045
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: It's like, no, this is this is way too close

1046
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: to home. Somebody in the family, probably the owner of

1047
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: the original phone, is doing it. And that's this makes

1048
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: me think of that same kind of case, where it's

1049
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: just it's too easy, it's too easy to say it's

1050
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: some outside mysterious person. Yeah, no, I think it was

1051
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: the bid. Yeah. I do agree that if it was

1052
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: somebody other than Dorothy your Bill or Dorothy end Bill, Yeah,

1053
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: it probably was somebody close to home, like a neighbor

1054
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: or family member, you know, somebody, somebody you know who

1055
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: knew them well enough to know their habits. And stuff

1056
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, probably so. Um, but then again, but

1057
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about Bill and Dorothy as suspects.

1058
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: So which is I still think that that really, when

1059
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: you think about this case, it makes the most sense

1060
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: because again, the first two break ins, like you say,

1061
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: weren't reported in eighty four because they thought, well, maybe

1062
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: it was a family member. Then why report the third

1063
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: one if you know it's the same family member, You know,

1064
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: why report that one if you're worried about gett him

1065
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: in trouble? And then um, again we talked a little

1066
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: bit about Dorothy letting a stranger into the house and

1067
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: then just leaving the room, something most of us just

1068
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't do. That doesn't make a lot of sense. It doesn't, Uh,

1069
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: it really does. I don't think old people are all

1070
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: that trusting. A lot of people on the web saying,

1071
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: but old people are so trusting. No, I've had lots

1072
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: of old people that were a lot less trusting than me,

1073
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not that damn trusting, all right, I gotta

1074
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: tell you though. Unfortunately I have family members who were

1075
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: elderly who would do this, who would say the phone

1076
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: is right there, and go into the kitchen and start

1077
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: dinking around doing whatever they were doing, and then because

1078
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: they're hearing is crap, not hear anything, and presume the

1079
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: person had left. I mean, these are the kind of

1080
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: family members where you're like, please lock your door if

1081
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: it's fine, people are great, they're nice. Yeah, well, you

1082
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: know again, this is like to me, is because I mean,

1083
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: Dorothy wasn't that old where she's gotten to the point

1084
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: where she's kind of losing it. She's not a daughter

1085
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: and old woman, not, not by any stretch of the imagination.

1086
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: Doesn't it's not beyond the realm of possibility. But just

1087
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: it's just most of us, in fact, almost all of

1088
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: us would want to have sort of an eye and

1089
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: the guy just to make sure he's not, you know,

1090
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: going through drawers and pocketing stuff while he's pretending to

1091
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,479
Speaker 1: be talking on the phone. Uh. And of course there's

1092
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: the issue of the guy's car. I mean, assumably he

1093
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 1: parked down the road so nobody would see his car,

1094
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: so he Are you asserting that they this is all

1095
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: made up? Uh? Yeah, okay, So you're saying that the

1096
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: first two break ins were totally made up fabrications, the

1097
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: second the third one was staged. The third was staged okay,

1098
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: and then that the total that I don't know. Northeast said, okay,

1099
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: Bill hit me over the head. We're gonna think we're

1100
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: going to kick it up a notch. We're not getting

1101
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: attention we want. She didn't have what we can tell,

1102
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: any notable injuries from the first assault, so it could

1103
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: very well be that Bill tied her up and said, okay,

1104
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: hold still, I'm going to open the fridge door and

1105
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: whack you on the nogging with it. I mean, that

1106
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: could be the level of I mean, so I get

1107
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: where Joe is going. I mean, so far, it seems

1108
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: that the pair in in tandem could have pulled most

1109
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: of them. I totally agree with that. I just want

1110
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: to ask clarifying questions because I I really I believe

1111
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think the most logical explanations.

1112
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: But they did it together. But the only thing that

1113
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: makes sense of this situation, the one the one holdover

1114
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: I do have is the the physical injuries. But even then,

1115
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, I don't know. At some point,

1116
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: let me talk about that in a second. Well, we

1117
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: talked about the guy's car um so that stolen stolen

1118
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: goods and stuff like that. I mean the guy, you know,

1119
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure what was happening. I think I

1120
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: can imagine what happened here, and that is that Dorothy's

1121
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: talking to the police and said, oh, yeah, this guy

1122
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: wanted this guy wanted to like, you know, coming to

1123
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: use my phone because his car was broken down. And

1124
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: then and after they got a description of him, they said, okay,

1125
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: and by the way, what color was his car? What

1126
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: make was his car? And she said, she's like car

1127
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: And the police like, well, yeah, I mean, if he

1128
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: was broken down, wouldn't it might be that she had

1129
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: and that hadn't really occurred to her. And she's like, oh, well,

1130
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: there was no car. In fact, I asked her what

1131
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: the car. He said, he was broken down down the road.

1132
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: Of course, the big question is if he broke down

1133
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: down the road, why didn't he stop at one of

1134
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: the other many houses between his car and my head? Well,

1135
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: maybe he did, but she was the only one home.

1136
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: That's entirely possible to But still that's just another another

1137
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: thing about this story that that doesn't quite add the

1138
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: missing car. The another thing that doesn't quite add up

1139
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: is he's stolen advers being returned. If if as you say, Steve,

1140
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: the person had a fit of remorse, perhaps like the

1141
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: family member. I could sort of see that happening, except,

1142
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: of course, if you know somebody who steals him for drugs,

1143
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: he's not going to have him in his hands for

1144
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: more than like five hours, or they're gone forever. I

1145
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: guess the supposition is you could he could have pawned

1146
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: them and then at gotten them back. I mean, it

1147
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: could be a small enough place that things like a

1148
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: movie camera don't move that fast, and he got them back,

1149
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: and that's why they were coming in increments. Because that's

1150
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: one of my questions is if he had at all,

1151
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just say, whoops, here's a bag full

1152
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: of all the stuff I took. Why why do it

1153
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 1: over the course of, you know, a couple of times,

1154
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: and then there by increasing your chance of being caught

1155
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: dropping those things. But of course, but of course, the

1156
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: way the story is is given to us, the drawing

1157
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: out of the return of them is very impish behavior.

1158
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: Oh I got the one later on, here you go,

1159
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: here's the next one here. But I can see it

1160
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: being a pawning situation. So that's a good that's a

1161
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: good idea. Where they were just you know that's in

1162
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: the series. That's the way they got it back, and

1163
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: that that would also explain why the gun was first,

1164
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: because you would, you know, someone's gun making it on

1165
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: the streets that isn't want to buy that one back

1166
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: at first. Problem that's probably in many ways the most

1167
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: useful at him there, you know, so you definitely want

1168
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: to get that back first. Uh. And I like that idea.

1169
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: The only problem I have with it is that if

1170
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: somebody is feeling remorse, and you know, maybe they did,

1171
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,479
Speaker 1: why would they continue with these attacks on their house

1172
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: and stuff. Although maybe again, like you're saying, like it

1173
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: was like sort of maybe somebody on medications who slipped

1174
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: on an office technical behavior. You know, so at times

1175
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: he's feeling a little remorse, trying to night he's not

1176
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: doing it, and then for whatever reason, he goes to

1177
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: another one of these cycles and he's doing it some

1178
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 1: cred of compulsive behavior and then but then get back.

1179
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk about another thing that makes no sense, which

1180
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: was the November nine three stick out again. Believe what

1181
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: I called that goofy yeah, gaofy or something or cluji

1182
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: or something, But I think yeah is not a word.

1183
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: I know it's not. That's why I was really called. Well,

1184
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: it's it's a word now, hey, bringing it back, Hey listeners, Yeah,

1185
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: your marching orders make this a word. Everybody use it? Yes?

1186
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: Did you say sploogie scloogie scloogee? Okay, Okay, you gotta guys,

1187
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: you know, and Devin, you message this too. Is what

1188
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: are they doing? Like stick in this place out on

1189
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: the on the off off, tiny tiny chance this guy

1190
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: is gonna show up just one in particular night, or

1191
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: maybe this one series of nights. I mean, because that's

1192
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: a lot of time to invest, just sitting there in

1193
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: the dark and the cold. I'm sure Ohio and late

1194
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: November it's probably pretty chilly out. Yeah. And so that's

1195
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: which is why it makes me think that it had

1196
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: to be so obvious, because I bet you the van

1197
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: was running to keep the heater going. I bet you

1198
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: Bill had some kind of heat or in the trailer,

1199
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be surprised that it probably was. If

1200
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: it was a gas heater would have put off light,

1201
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: and if it was an electric heater, it would have

1202
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: been making noise. So it's again, they weren't hiding very well. No,

1203
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure they weren't nearly as subtle as they thought

1204
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: they were being on the end, so the attack finally

1205
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: happens that that time they just happened to be there.

1206
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: But also the the attacker I wait untill they decided

1207
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: to hang it up for the night, and it's almost

1208
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: like he was listening in on the radio, which makes

1209
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: them kind of a clever little fiend or justin. But

1210
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: again we have been there again. On the other hand,

1211
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: we got all and we talked about this is the

1212
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: more severe injury Dorothy got in when he got she

1213
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: got watched on the head. And the thinking goes that

1214
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: either Bill did us to Dorothy. But Bill wouldn't do

1215
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: that because he's not that kind of guy. But by

1216
01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: the way, that would be dangerous. He could kill do

1217
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: with by whacking her on the head that hard, unless

1218
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: he was trying to kill her. Maybe that's a good Hi,

1219
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: let's take I'm gonna up the game a little bit.

1220
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: Just hold still, I promise it will be okay. Yeah,

1221
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,479
Speaker 1: I know, it's like, what are you waiting for? Bill?

1222
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: Are you afraid you get a kill her? No, I'm

1223
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: afraid I won't. Okay. Well, but then there's also Dorothy

1224
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: could have done it to herself, which also seems very

1225
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: unlikely inflicting that kind of a wound on yourself. But

1226
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: on the other hand, people do fall and bang their

1227
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: heads all the time. I have a friend who just

1228
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: recently did her to herself. She just fell in bang

1229
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: her head and she had to get her scalp like

1230
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: stitched like staple back to her skull. Yeah, she got herself,

1231
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: you know line, Yeah, exactly. He used the red one, Yeah,

1232
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: the sturch. And it's like this, where's the red one?

1233
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, sir, We'll stop everything. I only use

1234
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: the red one, all right, But it's pretty crazy. Yeah,

1235
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: But but it could have been to Dorothy just had

1236
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: an accident this. I said, hey, let's not let this

1237
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: go to this opportunity to go to waste. Let's call

1238
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: the police and say that somebody costed me when actually

1239
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: I just fell in banging my head. So it could

1240
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: have been that. I wonder if they had a certain honestly,

1241
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: I wonder if they hadn't like a certain kind of

1242
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: insurance like they were collecting off of the claim. So no,

1243
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,959
Speaker 1: I mean that, like, maybe this is totally total bunk.

1244
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I even said it, but what if

1245
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: they only their insurance only covered like you know how

1246
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: auto insurance you can have, like I only can be

1247
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: covered if I hit someone, not if like I run

1248
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: into a pole, right like I wonder if they hadn't.

1249
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that exists. But some sort

1250
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: of insurance where I was like stipulation, yea, if somebody

1251
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,479
Speaker 1: causes damage to me, it's free to get this care.

1252
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: But if I cause it, if I have an accident

1253
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: and cause it to myself while then I'm but that

1254
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: doesn't explain. Yeah, that doesn't explain what you do it well, no,

1255
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: but it would explain if you had a fall, why

1256
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: you would say somebody hit me? That makes sense. I

1257
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: mean actually, years ago I used to work with an

1258
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: insurance company, and there is an accident benefit. So if

1259
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: you if you get something to an accident, then you

1260
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: do actually get a higher reimbursement rate, like it's instead

1261
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: of like or something like that. But I think the

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Speaker 1: additional accident benefit is the same as if it's a

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Speaker 1: criminal thing. It's like maybe maybe it is like a

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Speaker 1: hund percent if it's a you know, a criminal attack.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, I don't know. Anyway, that's possibility.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my theory is that it was maybe likely

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Speaker 1: both of them, but if it was going to be

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Speaker 1: one or the other, I would have to pick Dorothy

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Speaker 1: as superb. And so Dorothy was masquerading is justin Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we gotta call it Justine Justine. Yeah. Well one thing,

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Speaker 1: of course, there is the head injury, especially the but

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Speaker 1: also the November incident. She was the only one who

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Speaker 1: was really positioned to thump on the wall of the

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Speaker 1: house and also leave the note. Yeah, so she thinks

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Speaker 1: she was sumping on the inside of the house. Yeah,

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01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: because here's how it works, and so what I can

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01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: see it now. It happened right after they decided to

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01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: hang them out, So everybody gets in the radio. It's

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Speaker 1: as well, we're gonna call it tonight. So what happens

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01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: to Kathy her daughter? Of course, we choose that moment

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01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: to get up, pick up the plates or the cups

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01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, and walk out to the kitchen to put

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Speaker 1: him in the sink. So perfect opportunity for Dorothy. You'll

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01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: lean around and go lump, tump, tump, tump tump on

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01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: the wall of the house and again then jump up

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: and go what was that? And then run outside onto

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Speaker 1: the porch and dropped the note in the meantime. I

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01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: mean she was perfectly positioned, the only one of the

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Speaker 1: the only one of the two. Really well wait, okay, wait,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna ask clarifying question about that. Who

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Speaker 1: is the one that I'm trying not to remember what

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01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: I saw on the episode because I don't want it

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Speaker 1: to color this And maybe you don't know and who

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Speaker 1: found the note? I think that if I remember right

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01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 1: on the in the they don't. I don't know who

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Speaker 1: actually saw it and picked it up. Okay, in the episode,

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Speaker 1: I believe Bill reaches down and picks it up, But

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Speaker 1: I don't know that for a fact, which is why

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, you can't because it could have been

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01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: Bill had it in his pocket and when bends over

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01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: and look what I found the quarter behind the ear trip. Oh,

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01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: totally and totally, And the same thing with the same

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01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: thing with I mean with Dorothy, she could have just

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01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: walked out and been over apart way and then ben back.

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Speaker 1: I'm with a note in her hand like this. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying that if it had to be just one

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Speaker 1: of them and not a collusion between the two, and

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Speaker 1: that I would say Dorothy is the one. Well, and

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01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: it seems to bother Bill more than it bothered Dorothy.

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01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: So I can see even that. You know, they had

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01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: months where things were fine and then he'd do something

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01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: to annoy and she'd just go, all right, your jerk,

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01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna be another night. And they had that really

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01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: heavy piece of furniture. She knew she shoved it, it it

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01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: would go funk funk, funk funk as it rocked back

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Speaker 1: and forth. Yeah, I'm imagining that. You know, she goes

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Speaker 1: to one of the bedrooms on the driveway side of

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Speaker 1: the house, slides the window open surreptitiously, and she's got

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01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: like a like a broomstick with like a boxing glove

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01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: on the endement dump bump bump on the side of

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01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: the house and then and then pulled it in real

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01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: fast and then run into the liver And Bill, did

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01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: you hear that? And yeah, I totally imagine. And while

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01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: he's outside with this gun, she hides the boxing glove.

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01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: He comes back in. What are you doing? Just sweeping exactly?

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Speaker 1: Take advantage. Yeah. So a lot of people are all, like,

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01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, like thinking it was Bill, but I'm thinking

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01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: more Dorothy I'm thinking Dorothy. I still think that it's

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01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: got to be some family member or close neighbor poltergeist.

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01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: There's always that. Okay, uh huh, alright, there you go.

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01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: So that wraps it up for this week, I think,

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Speaker 1: unless do you guys have any of the theories or

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01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: anything anything that would cause you to lean more towards

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01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: Bill versus Dorothy or Dorothy or Bill. Yeah, all right,

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01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: well we'll gonna call it Dorothy, although I want caveat

1336
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: of course, you know, we may be wrong, but if

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Speaker 1: you have a favorite theory about this one, you'd like

1338
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: to contact us. Of course, our email is Thinking Sideways

1339
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: Podcast at gmail dot com. Uh. And of course you

1340
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: can find us on iTunes where you can you know,

1341
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, download episodes. You can like, you know,

1342
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: like subscribe, you can rate us, you can review us. Uh.

1343
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: Obviously the better the rating and the review, the better

1344
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: we like you. So hey. Uh. There's also streaming services

1345
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: like Stature they're a good one, and Google Play and

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01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: god knows how many other ones there are. Uh. We're

1347
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: also on Facebook. We have a group in page and

1348
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,919
Speaker 1: you don't friend us, but you do join the group,

1349
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: and there's lots of discussions. It's a fun time, good

1350
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: group of people. And so I said, like the page

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01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: joined the group, they enjoining the fun. And of course

1352
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Speaker 1: we are on Twitter where we are Thinking Sideways and

1353
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: most of the Twitter messages you'll see out there, actually

1354
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: probably all of them are written by Devon. Yeah, yeah,

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01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah I have but that's okay, but yeah,

1356
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: definitely follow us on Twitter. And last of all, we

1357
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: have a website, believe it or not, it's Thinking Sideways

1358
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: podcast dot com and where you can also download our episodes.

1359
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: And there's merch if you over on the right hand

1360
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: side there, like Zazzlin, red Bubble. You can buy mugs

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Speaker 1: and T shirts and I don't know all kinds of stuff,

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01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: okay anyway, So that's pretty much it for me. You

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Speaker 1: guys have any further comment, probably going no, but don't

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Speaker 1: get your gun out later when you hear thumping on

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Speaker 1: the side of your house, Joe, Yeah, I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: It's seriously, I sealed my face. I know what you

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Speaker 1: guys are gonna be doing tonight. Yeah, alright, bye bye guys.