WEBVTT - Succession S4 Ep 9 + Yellowjackets S2 Ep 8

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. This podcast contained spoilers for season four, episode nine

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<v Speaker 1>of Succession on HBO and season two episode eight of

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<v Speaker 1>Yellow Jackets on the Beleagered Showtime Network. Hello. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Jason Concepcio and I'm Rosie Knight, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>x revision of the Crooked Media podcast, where we dive

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<v Speaker 1>deep in to your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>In this episode, Market Moves, It's rip to that Man

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<v Speaker 2>in Succession season four, episode nine, what happens when a

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<v Speaker 2>business titan like Logan Mory dies? We will find out

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<v Speaker 2>air Lock. It's Yellowjackets season two, episode eight. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you were hoping it was going to be more hopeful

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<v Speaker 2>than the last two episodes, you're wrong. It's a total

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<v Speaker 2>bummer in the best way, of course, and in not out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very excited for this one. It's Maya talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Pacific Rim, one of my favorite movies. Underrated gem love it,

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<v Speaker 2>Love it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Next, Market Boobs. When I was a young boy, my

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<v Speaker 1>father locked me into a kennel and said, now you're

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<v Speaker 1>a dog. He said, Roam, you're a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Now do dog things.

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<v Speaker 1>Scratch with your hind legs, eat kibble from a bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, Hey, are you a sicko? Because I sexed

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry who was a million years old. Now Mankin is

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<v Speaker 1>funeral and Ken knows I fucked it.

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<v Speaker 2>I fucked it.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I really fucked it. It's time for Market Moves. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>your number one source for passive income, active income, aggressive income,

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<v Speaker 1>and all kinds of income that flows directly into your numerous,

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<v Speaker 1>unnumbered bank accounts stashed anonymously all over the globe.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't pay taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to you now, why? Of course that doesn't even

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<v Speaker 1>need to be said.

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<v Speaker 2>To pay them.

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<v Speaker 1>Over here at Market Moves we live. We live by

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<v Speaker 1>two rules. Don't pay taxes and buy drones.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. Oh, you need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here to We're here to talk about Episode nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Church and State of the Succession television program, season four,

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<v Speaker 1>directed by Mark Mylott, written by Jesse Armstrong, and we

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<v Speaker 1>open on the wake of election Day. New York City

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<v Speaker 1>and the country in general are in an uproar because

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<v Speaker 1>of the events of election night. Protests of an increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>hysterical nature are everywhere in the city, focused primarily on

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<v Speaker 1>atn HQ. Tom wams Gans is under a particular scrutiny

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<v Speaker 1>because he is the guy who made the call. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a TikTok story in New York and the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 1>the liberal New York Times about who made the call

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<v Speaker 1>and how it happened and who did what. Meanwhile, preparations

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<v Speaker 1>are of course underway for the great Man himself Logan

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<v Speaker 1>Roy's funeral. Roman Roy is practicing his speech for the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Energy Spot. You will recall the previous episode he

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<v Speaker 1>had locked down that Big Energy Spot. Well, now he's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of running through his lines and guess what, he's unworried.

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<v Speaker 1>He is chilling, he grieved, he's chilling all the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in the streets. You know. Carrie's looking great. He's putting

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<v Speaker 1>on face cream, he's wearing his suits. He looks good.

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<v Speaker 1>He's ready for it. Ken calls and says, hey, Rome, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know your buddy Jared Mencoln, the future president of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. Could you get him to turn down

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<v Speaker 1>the heat on the rhetoric a little, maybe stop firing

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<v Speaker 1>up the ops because it is the day of our

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<v Speaker 1>dad's funeral and uh, you know other stuff. Just get

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<v Speaker 1>him chill out. Rome is like whatever. Then Ken gets

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<v Speaker 1>a call from Rava, his ex, and she basically says, hey, Ken,

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<v Speaker 1>the city's aflame. It's scary out there in these streets,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks in no small part to you and your family.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I've decided to take our beautiful children, Sophie

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<v Speaker 1>and Iverson. Every time I've decided to take our children,

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<v Speaker 1>Sovie and Iverson out of the city. Ken loses it,

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<v Speaker 1>drives at high speed across the city in front of

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<v Speaker 1>V's cars. All types of laws, but you know what

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<v Speaker 1>are what are laws to a great man such as

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Roy Nothing. He gets there just as they're pulling away,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, listen, you can't take my kids out

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<v Speaker 1>of the city. I'm gonna get an injunction from the

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<v Speaker 1>governor or whoever to make sure that legally you can't

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<v Speaker 1>flee the city with my children. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna do. You're gonna fucking run me over.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna lay in front of your car. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what you want to do? And Ravas says, whatever, I'm leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>She gets in the car and leaves. First prompts Rosie,

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<v Speaker 1>what's this problem? What's that problem?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, sure, sure, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>How kids I'll being threatened? How young child might be being.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's kids are threatened by a See, you know, kids

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<v Speaker 1>are small, that's what.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what happens. That's small. They can't fight for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, suddenly she wants to go up state. Can't go

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<v Speaker 2>to racist Ken's racist dad's funeral. I see, seems very coincidental.

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<v Speaker 2>As Ken says, she's too online, she's dumb. Why does

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<v Speaker 2>she believe this? You know, Nazis are running wild in

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<v Speaker 2>the streets. Who cares? She doesn't care. Also, I will

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<v Speaker 2>point out that right rather's got the best of both worlds.

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<v Speaker 2>She's the ex wife of a billionaire, so the anarchists

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<v Speaker 2>hate her, and her child is Indian, so the Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>hate her. I mean, what else? What could she want?

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<v Speaker 2>What more? What's wrong with her?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's time for Sophie and Iverson who I'm guessing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of like, you know, I test measuring their age.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to put them at like twelve and thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere around there. I think it's time for them to

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<v Speaker 1>be the bigger person. I think it's time for them

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<v Speaker 1>to show a little adult responsibility, a little you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just to be the bigger person in this and say yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my granddad fostered some of the worst impulses currently infecting

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<v Speaker 1>the national body, and my dad helped elect a raving

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<v Speaker 1>racist whose followers have attacked me in the streets. But

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<v Speaker 1>for the sake of the country, I'm gonna show unity

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<v Speaker 1>right now, gonna I'm gonna go to this funeral. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know kids love funeral, they love them.

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<v Speaker 2>And also there's like five hundred people that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they need those extra bodies in the room, like otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna look suspicious. Okay, be prompt. How likely is

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<v Speaker 2>it that can gets custody?

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<v Speaker 1>Zero? Zero? I mean, first of all, I yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>have a wrong suspicion that the kids are gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want to we we don't want a change

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<v Speaker 1>in the customer situation. And I think the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>Ken sees his kids like once every six to eight months,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe ye leads me to believe that Rava, who is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there on the ground on the day to

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<v Speaker 1>day and the minute to minute raising of the children

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<v Speaker 1>will continue in that regard, despite the fact that, like

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<v Speaker 1>a coward, she is fleeing the greatest city on earth

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<v Speaker 1>just because of a few bad apples.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing to worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it nothing to worry about. The fine people of

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<v Speaker 1>the NYPD will keep them safe. Shive then shive, then

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<v Speaker 1>shive then prevails on Lucas Matson to release this statement

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<v Speaker 1>on those pesky Indian numbers. Got to release the statement

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<v Speaker 1>about those Indian numbers. Listen, there's never gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>better time. The country is falling apart. Protesters are in

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<v Speaker 1>the streets. Everybody is consumed with how the fuck did

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<v Speaker 1>this guy, Jared macer get elected? Is he even elected?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it legal?

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell's going on? Is it legal? Protests, counter protests, fires, riots,

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<v Speaker 1>Just release the Indian numbers. Nobody's gonna fucking kid.

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<v Speaker 2>She was right?

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<v Speaker 1>Matson? Meanwhile, is like she was right? Matson. Meanwhile, it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Hey, get me in a room with Jared Macon.

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<v Speaker 1>I am, after all, a very tall, white, blonde man.

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<v Speaker 1>I think as a Nazi he would look an aria

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<v Speaker 1>at at and he will understand. Yeah, I think he'll

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<v Speaker 1>understand I'm someone he can work with and atn Tom

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<v Speaker 1>is of course dealing with the hectic newsday. Is these

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<v Speaker 1>protests rack the country?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>And he's also consumed with the fact that in that

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times story, about how the call happened. He

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<v Speaker 1>is frankly not given enough credit for making the call.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, hey, if I if I'm if I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>one who made the call. Look Tom's right, He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm the one who made the call, if I

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<v Speaker 2>made the Nazi powerful, I want to get my Gobels money.

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<v Speaker 2>Where's my where's my credit? I want people to know

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<v Speaker 2>I am the pr person for the Nazi. I'm only

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<v Speaker 2>getting a little. I'm getting a little, one sentence in

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<v Speaker 2>this giant two page spread. That's it. That's it. Why

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<v Speaker 2>is Darwin getting all the credit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Fuck Darwin.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't even want to do I want.

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<v Speaker 1>To do it. Also, Tom is the wheelman. I think

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<v Speaker 1>back right, he's front, front right, So he's got a

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<v Speaker 1>front right. That is a prime spot, folks. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that means he's got to get out of there, got

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<v Speaker 1>to get to the church. But of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>things are really again, very very busy at eighteen headquarters. Later,

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<v Speaker 1>Ken learns that his stalwart assistant since season one, Jess,

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<v Speaker 1>who has put up with all manner of things in

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<v Speaker 1>service to kenroy Is, is leaving him. Is taking her leave.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets really petulant about it. And he's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll never get access like this again, like a thought

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<v Speaker 1>leader or you know, like a business leader. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, hey, so is this about mencing? Why? Just

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<v Speaker 1>because it is about mancing with your kids, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is about mencing with your ex wife, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>about macon with your fan the whole country, manking in

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<v Speaker 1>every other sphere and the whole country. Just because it's

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<v Speaker 1>about mancing with everybody else, it has to be about

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<v Speaker 1>making with Jess ps, it's probably about mencoing. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he closes with you have no idea how things will

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<v Speaker 1>turn out. It's very juvenile.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, you're the fucking your job, dumb great great job,

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<v Speaker 2>great job. Can well definitely gonna keep Jess around. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>Jess has put up with so much shit I truly

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<v Speaker 2>cannot believe this is the straw that I think that

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<v Speaker 2>A key moment is when she tried to get Greg

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<v Speaker 2>to not tell them to call it. She was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you could just delay it for a few minutes. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, well, someone's got to call it, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>like and she's like, yeah, they're all fucked, Like Jess is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all about menkin and Jess is on her way out,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think Kendall is starting to realize now it

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<v Speaker 2>is all about Menkin.

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<v Speaker 1>That leads us to prompt number two. What is the

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<v Speaker 1>very best thing about working for a demanding boss who

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<v Speaker 1>you don't respect?

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<v Speaker 2>I would hope in this case it would be lots

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<v Speaker 2>of money, because the Roys are extremely friach. I would

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<v Speaker 2>also hope, I hope it is that. I would also

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<v Speaker 2>hope that Jess had taken advantage of Kendall's ego and

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<v Speaker 2>his need to be cool to maybe get some stock options.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Jess could be coming out of this

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<v Speaker 2>in a very profitable way. I also feel like Jess,

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<v Speaker 2>if she wanted to go more like the Jerry route,

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<v Speaker 2>probably has some quite legit skeletons that she could unbury

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<v Speaker 2>for the Roys. So I think not respecting a rich

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<v Speaker 2>and powerful man is always fun. So that's a boon.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would hope for Jess lots and lots of

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<v Speaker 2>money would be the best thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think, and of course the access What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that the access to ken you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like Kendall Roy a bad human being? Do you what?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think Jess is pulling down in the

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<v Speaker 1>employee of kendlroy I too.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so there is a generally, there's a general

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<v Speaker 2>rule that if you are an assistant a PA, even

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<v Speaker 2>for like a big person or in a bank, they

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<v Speaker 2>generally say you'll never learn earn more than sixty sixty K.

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<v Speaker 2>But we know that's not true. I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're right. I think she's probably worked her way up

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<v Speaker 2>to about one fifty with bonuses, and it's definitely not

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<v Speaker 2>enough because that is fucking pocket change for these schmos.

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<v Speaker 1>Destroy it. I mean, being a accessory to the destruction

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<v Speaker 1>of the country for a one fifty a year, like

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<v Speaker 1>I just get that military budget money eight hundred billion.

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<v Speaker 1>At the church, Roman approaches Frank about coming aboard his

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<v Speaker 1>waist star project. Whatever that means.

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<v Speaker 2>He's feeling confident.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, He's feeling very confident right now. He's got the

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<v Speaker 1>president in his breast pocket. He's about to give the

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<v Speaker 1>big speech, the big the big energy spot at the funeral.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and listen, he's ready. It certainly seems to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of help. Can exit stage left? Should Roman ascend to

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<v Speaker 1>the pinnacle job at wast Star Royco, Greg eager to

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<v Speaker 1>leverage his role in crowning the new Preys is absolutely desperate. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>for an intro Tomkin, we catch up with the Lady

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<v Speaker 1>Carroll in Collingwood, the mother, of course, of the siblings Ken,

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<v Speaker 1>Roman and Shive. She honestly has never been happier than

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<v Speaker 1>presiding front pew over the funeral of her ex husband.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a best day of her life. Like I will

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<v Speaker 2>just say, I believe you're about to get to this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I believe this is arguably the power move of

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<v Speaker 2>the episode. Oh yeah, yeah. When Caroline, who is a

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<v Speaker 2>horrible person, I will say that we have to disclaim it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot human being as they all are in

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<v Speaker 1>this moment because she wants to fuck with everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>She reconnects all of the side pieces and the partners

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<v Speaker 2>and the wives, Marsha, Kerry and her own Kerry, Sally

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<v Speaker 2>Ann makes my Kerry and she said, sits them in

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<v Speaker 2>the front row, and we actually get I mean, she

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<v Speaker 2>freaks everyone from way star out. You know, everyone's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck is Kerry doing in the front row.

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<v Speaker 2>This gives her some kind of leverage. Kerry bought a

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer because she thought they wouldn't let her in, and

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<v Speaker 2>now she's in this front row.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually get you know, I would say in any other

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<v Speaker 2>place on market moves that this would be a sign

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<v Speaker 2>of weakness, but I actually think we get a great

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<v Speaker 2>new power cell that is born here. When Marsha puts

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<v Speaker 2>her hand over Kerry's hand and kind of reassures her

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<v Speaker 2>after making a great joke about she was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>at least Logan won't be fucking grinding his teeth tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>None of us havefered to listen to that shit. I

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<v Speaker 2>loved that. That was That was the power move of

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<v Speaker 2>the episode for me. Caroline doing something maybe right, even

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<v Speaker 2>for fucked up reasons. Just once.

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<v Speaker 1>She shiv pulls Mattson aside and she has an idea

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<v Speaker 1>pitch mancin On an American CEO, you know, like cultural,

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<v Speaker 1>an executive that understands the American culture, that like that

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<v Speaker 1>mancan can be a man who is has deep seated

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<v Speaker 1>rage against immigrants, even white ones, even Swedish people. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a move, even Swedish people. This is a move

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<v Speaker 1>that he could potentially get behind. And so Lucas is like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting, it's interesting who should I choose and shive

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<v Speaker 1>hems and haws or Hems once, and then Hawes once,

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<v Speaker 1>and then eventually she's like me should be me, It

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<v Speaker 1>should be Shivroy and he's like, well, you have your inexperience.

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<v Speaker 1>You have no experience doing this right, And she's like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but like you know, I have the political acumen, the contacts,

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff I'm great with. And then Matts is like, Okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>let's assume that's the case. Aren't you with child? Aren't

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<v Speaker 1>you pregnant? She's like yeah, but I'm not gonna Let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's face facts. I'm gonna be a terrible mom. I

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<v Speaker 1>Am not going to be plugged in. Uh. It will

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<v Speaker 1>take a village to raise my child, because I will

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<v Speaker 1>hire a village. I'll be on the you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>text with you, on the zoom link with you while

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having my vanity Cesarean. Don't worry about it. Everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say that I'm a terrible mom. But here's the upside.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's also going to say Shive's inexperience. She just had

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<v Speaker 1>a kid. It's Lucas Max doing the strings. They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to give you all the credit for everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, this is smart. That was extremely bleak, but it

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<v Speaker 2>does appeal to mass insensibility. He's into it. He was like, Ah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a hot ass. He's like, you're gonna be misogynous

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<v Speaker 2>against yourself and I love it. Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>The funeral begins with some Vivaldi and the coffin walk

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<v Speaker 1>with the family in tow, and then, much to almost

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's chagrin, Uncle Ewen bolts I was that pulpit. Uncle Ewan,

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<v Speaker 1>the neo socialist billionaire brother of Logan Roy who, while

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<v Speaker 1>he often stridently criticizes his brother, is also happy to

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<v Speaker 1>take his brother's money. He gets to the pulpit, Greg

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<v Speaker 1>can't stop him, Shive can't stop him. He gets up

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<v Speaker 1>there and he seizes for himself the brutust spot, the

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<v Speaker 1>coveted brutust first speech spot at the funeral. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>what sort of people? What's stop a brother speaking for

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<v Speaker 1>the sake of a share price? Boom, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>proceeds to tell to quite revealing actually anecdotes about Logan.

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<v Speaker 1>The first is as children four and a half and

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<v Speaker 1>five years old, taking their ocean passage from Europe to

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<v Speaker 1>North America. I believe Canada at first is where they

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<v Speaker 1>first landed. During World War two, and how because their

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<v Speaker 1>boat lost power and was left behind by the convoy,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to sit in silence lest their position be

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<v Speaker 1>revealed to the U boats. And during this time, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, unfolded over numerous days, these two children just

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<v Speaker 1>communicated with gestures and looks in each other's eyes. And

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<v Speaker 1>Roman is listening to this, and he's quite emotional. It's

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<v Speaker 1>clear that this is hitting him. Then, the second anecdote

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<v Speaker 1>is about how Logan came home from boarding school and

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<v Speaker 1>always believed that he brought home polio from boarding school,

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<v Speaker 1>which then infected their baby sister, Rose, who you'll remember

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<v Speaker 1>that Rose was used as a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>landmine to set up Readrell at Logan's birthday party a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of seasons back. Okay, this apparently, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the thought that he had given his baby sister polio

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<v Speaker 1>obviously tortured him, and his uncle and aunt that took

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<v Speaker 1>care of him never really tried to talk about of

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<v Speaker 1>the thought that he in fact caused his sister to die.

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<v Speaker 1>He then closes with a denunciation of Logan's life and works.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the important comment here is he has wrought

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<v Speaker 1>the most terrible things. It's true, Ewan says, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>quite true. Your thoughts on the speech.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this speech. I think Ewan came through strong.

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<v Speaker 2>I was hoping he would be there. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>the real power line of any of the speech was

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<v Speaker 2>who would stop a brother speaking for the sake of

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<v Speaker 2>a share price? I think that's a really good one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was, you know, tough but fair on Logan,

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<v Speaker 2>and as we will see, he did a set up

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<v Speaker 2>Kendall pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>Though.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think the biggest impact this speech had was

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<v Speaker 2>on Roman, because we knew that the kids knew that

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<v Speaker 2>Logan was scared of water, and there's that like weird

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<v Speaker 2>thing with Kendall being obsessed with water and water being

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<v Speaker 2>this like huge thing in his life and his dad

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<v Speaker 2>being terrified of it, and now we know why. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like there is a strange realization here from Roman

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<v Speaker 2>about how his dad was a really fucked up, hurt

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<v Speaker 2>person just like he is, and that's kind of why

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<v Speaker 2>he treated him that way. I don't think he was

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<v Speaker 2>like upset with you, and I think he believed everything

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<v Speaker 2>you and said, the bad stuff the good stuff. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you compare that to where he was at at

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning when he's practiced like my dad was a

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<v Speaker 2>great man, Like my dad was this great titan of

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<v Speaker 2>business and industry. I feel like post you and speech

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<v Speaker 2>and the kind of revelations about Logan's childhood and also

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<v Speaker 2>the reality of Logan's impact. Roman can't get up on

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<v Speaker 2>stage in front of five hundred people in front of

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<v Speaker 2>a live stream question mark that seems to be going on.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it doesn't feel like he can get up there

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<v Speaker 2>and pretend anymore. The pre grieving has run out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you mentioned it. It's Roman's turner.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Roman has been talking about how he pre grieved and

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<v Speaker 1>he's fine, he's doing great, all that stuff, and then

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as he gets up there with his pink

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<v Speaker 1>cue cards, he just folds humiliatingly under the weight of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Connor Kennon Shiv have to escort him from the pulpit

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<v Speaker 1>as Rome, hysterical and whimpering like the kennel dog that

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<v Speaker 1>he is, wonders loud if Logan is in fact in

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<v Speaker 1>the box and whether they can get him out he

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<v Speaker 1>is I think, I think clearly by the way, calling

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<v Speaker 1>back to that trauma of his own trauma of being

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<v Speaker 1>trapped in that tunnel as his family had put him in.

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<v Speaker 1>Now thinking about his dad that way, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>moment I think that we could use to humanize Roman,

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<v Speaker 1>but I won't. I think if anything, Roman deserves this

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<v Speaker 1>and much more. Ken then takes the wheel and he

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledges that you and Hey, in Greg's words, has a

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<v Speaker 1>strong take about Logan, but it was right. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a brute, very tough guy. Then Ken transitions into a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty strident defense of him, like as Logan is a

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<v Speaker 1>man of action, he's a doer. He was full of life.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that you know that vim and vigor of

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<v Speaker 1>life is in me, because otherwise this world will be

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like peaceful and in harmony, with all the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like plurality of different races and creeds and everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being able to coexist in at times fractuous civilization,

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<v Speaker 1>but one that is essentially non violent and able to

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<v Speaker 1>adhere to the tenets of a democracy, and that would

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<v Speaker 1>be super boring, terrible. Blood in the streets capitalisire. Yeah,

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 1>like that's we need money.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gushing out of orifices, the blood of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Shiv gets up and she starts with a small anecdote

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<v Speaker 1>about how Dad yelled at the kids to be quiet,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when they were playing around outside of his study.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she transitions to a really hard kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like actually hard to follow and hard to parse, but

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<v Speaker 1>also tearful goodbye, where she says, you know, goodbye to

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<v Speaker 1>my world of a dad prompt number three. Power Ranking

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<v Speaker 1>the speeches we got Ewan, we got Ken, we God Shiv,

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<v Speaker 1>and we get Connor's long.

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<v Speaker 2>Speech that we don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Praying with every fiber of my being that Connor would

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<v Speaker 2>get up after Roman. There was a moment when he

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was time his formalist, experimental speech.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like James Joyce's ulysses like we're not.

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<v Speaker 2>The time Jason, like, don't you know, like gonna see

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<v Speaker 2>how it goes. That's one of the things Willa likes

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<v Speaker 2>most about it, and she is a playwright. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish we had heard Connor's speech, but it's also

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly act that he is the one who doesn't get

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<v Speaker 2>to speak. Power rank. The funeral speech is Roman, You're

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<v Speaker 2>at a bottom that's gonna end up decimating you. Sorry,

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 2>we knew it was gonna happen. There's a sorry, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a perfect moment that is coming up that everyone saw.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've ever had to deal with the Jared Mankin,

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<v Speaker 2>you're done, your political capital, your space in the industry.

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 1>You have shown, you have shown.

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<v Speaker 2>How dare you have an emotion as a as a

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<v Speaker 2>male in this industry. You're in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't shive next.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right. She it was a very revealing speech,

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Like when she kind of kept calling Logan terrifying, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that spoke to how the kids really feel about him.

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.679
<v Speaker 2>She tried to go for some of that Kendall like

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<v Speaker 2>recognition of who her father really was. I think if

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<v Speaker 2>she'd have just gotten up there and said the line

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<v Speaker 2>goodbye to my world of a father, that could have

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<v Speaker 2>been a very high ranking power speech, because that really

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:44.479
<v Speaker 2>did speak to like the immensity of Logan. But it's

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 2>a bit too wooly. I think you're right. Hard to pass.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard for me coming out of this. Kendall is

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<v Speaker 2>probably number one only because he wants to be. He

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<v Speaker 2>will use this to average himself. He got an ovation,

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.679
<v Speaker 2>People were clapping for him. He seemed to balance the

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 2>truth of what Youwan said and managed in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Kendall is number one because I think you and speech

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 2>was more powerful and I love Youan and I love

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<v Speaker 2>to see him out there just chatting mad shit on

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<v Speaker 2>his brother. I was really hoping that was going to happen.

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 2>But the reality is Kendall was able to use that

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 2>speech that broke Roman to leverage himself into a position

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.679
<v Speaker 2>of this is my dad. I'm giving this like eulogy forever.

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 2>That will be remembered and people will be like, oh,

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 2>he was a really great orator. He did that off

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 2>the dome, like he didn't even have notes, you know.

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 2>So I think Kendall does end up number one, my

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 2>head canon number one. Connor. I believe if he got

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 2>up then he did twenty five minute speech, everyone would

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh my God, make him president, Like this

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 2>is it. He changed the way we write speeches. He's

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 2>got us job as a speech writer for Jared Menkin.

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 2>The world would change, but we never saw it. So

0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 2>that's my ranking.

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>I am gonna go Roman number one because I love

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>the genre. I just love drama. You know, it wasn't

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 1>also rely a speech per se, but it was. It's

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 1>very dramatic. It was emotion to revel and it certainly

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>is going to be very popular on the social media

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>platforms coming up, and I think, you know, anytime I

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>get to luxuriate in the heartbreak of another human being,

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 1>I have to do it. That's one of my That's

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 1>one of the things we really really enjoy here on

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Market Moves Number two, I'm gonna go with Connor ghost

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>written by Willa, of course, the non foremost speech. I think,

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I think look for Willa to be somewhere up there,

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 1>pretty high up in the communications department for President Mencoln.

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I think, listen, Mencoln likes to likes to say very

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>strident and strong things about the country. But like, wouldn't

0:29:58.200 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>it be cool if that was done in a really

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 1>art tistic kind of like non linear way as well?

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Then I'm going to ken like a great Vanilla speech.

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>It did what it needed to do. Followed by Shiv,

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 1>who I'm going to put last because you know, where's

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.720
<v Speaker 1>the numbers, where's the facts? Where is the celebration of

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>emotion on her dad's strength and vigor? Where were the

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>metaphors about like what a what a virile man? He

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>was too emotional? You know, ultimately the emotion gods who

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 1>are also a democrat, So I'm putting her lasta Next,

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>we go to the cemetery where Logan will lie in

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 1>eternity in a mausoleum built by the CEO of bets.

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>Five mil great deal, as Kendall says, a great deal

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 2>for five mail.

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Ken learns that Mattson and Shiv are going to run

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the old American seats play with Lincoln, so he tells Hugo.

0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 1>He tells Hugo to to we need to prepare the

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>ground for this. I need you to float a news

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 1>item anonymously, of course, that the family, certain members of

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>the family are against the Gojo deal because basically because

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the price is too low. And he tells Hugo flat out, listen,

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>here's what it is. And I show you my dick.

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to kill the deal, and if you want

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>to help me, you can. But here's the deal. You're

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>not a collaborator. I don't even I don't ever want

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>to know what you're thinking, what you're You're a fucking

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>yes man. You're a dog. But quote scraps from the

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>table will be millions, millions happy, to which Hugo replies,

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 1>wolf word.

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Visius Stevens delivered.

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Glad that delivering and I'm glad that finally you know

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>it's out there, that this is what the world is,

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>This is how it is. Man a problem with it?

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 1>This is how it is. Man, you had a problem

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 1>with it. What if we pay you, you have a

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>problem with it. What if we don't pay you? Either way,

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm still gonna have a book decide to pay you

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>or not. He's still gonna have a problem, and it's

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>your problem, not mine. At the reception, Ken corners Colin.

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>You'll recall, of course, Colin, the one guard of Logan Roy,

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 1>who was once also Ken's pursuer, because he knew that

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>untidy little fact about Ken that he uh, you know,

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>he killed.

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Him just accidentally. It was like it wasn't really his fault,

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was very real.

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>He did kill a guy. That guy is no longer alive, right,

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>he's dead now, and uh and Colin knows it. And

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Colin has been talking to a therapist because he's very,

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>very stressed. He of course has this knowledge that Ken has,

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, taken a life, and his protector in Logan

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Roy is gone and he's probably out of a job.

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 1>And Ken flexes by letting Colin know, Hey, I know

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>you've been seeing a shrink. That's very alarming that you're

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 1>that the son of your boss would know that you're

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>seeing a therapist.

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Very threatening, but very very.

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Very threatening, and not a subtle threat at that. But

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Ken then comes, there's the stick, here's the carrot. Come

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>work for me, Come talk to me. You want a

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>shoulder to cry on, You want to put your feet

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 1>up on a couch, Well you can do that metaphorically

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>by driving me around and being my body. Ken then

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 1>approaches Mencin about you know that Gojo deal. You're going

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 1>to kill the Gojo deal, right because we declared that

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 1>you're the president, And MENCN, very troublingly, is suddenly very

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 1>very wishy washy about this deal to kill the Gojo deal.

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>And he's also, by the way, clearly enjoying the fact

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 1>that he as president has a relationship with the electorate

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 1>aka at N's audience that maybe Ken doesn't quite have.

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Is oh, I thought you were the sound system. Now

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>you want to choose the track? And he also and

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:08.879
<v Speaker 1>he says, you know about the deal, I've always said

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 1>I'll help. But before they can really get down to

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:15.399
<v Speaker 1>brass tacks, Greg comes over, and then Connor comes over

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to pitching a what wait, what did he pitch

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 1>a Habsburg equivalent for the EU, right, But it's the

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:29.359
<v Speaker 1>happy It's a happy Burg something or other, which is

0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:35.760
<v Speaker 1>just like okay. And then mencan mocks Roman for crying

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 1>over his father's corpse. And that is the moment where

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, that Jared feels like he has not

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 1>beholden out to any promise he made to the roy

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:55.240
<v Speaker 1>family because they showed their belly. Roman showed his throat

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.839
<v Speaker 1>like a little puppy dog, laid down and then and

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>then lifted his leg to show that little pink belly

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:05.439
<v Speaker 1>and his tail is thumping on the ground, and he's

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:07.919
<v Speaker 1>got maybe a little raw high bone in his mouth,

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>and he's saying, President Jerry, will you bet my belly? Yeah?

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>And Jared Mankin is disgusted by.

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 2>H He's saying no, as he should. He's like, he

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>calls him tiny tears. No. He is making all kinds

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 2>of insults. And I have to say, this is a

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>great moment for me because you've had this very interesting

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:32.240
<v Speaker 2>switch in Kendall, which I personally do think was probably

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Jess was the straw that broke the Caramel's back. But

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Kendall comes out of that funeral and he thinks he's

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>a killer. He is the killer Logan always wanted him

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 2>to be. He's threatening people, he's getting bodyguards to work

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 2>for him. He's telling Hugo, you're my dog, like Roman

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 2>was my dad's dog. And then he thinks he can

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 2>do that to Jared Mankin thinks one he thought he

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 2>could trust a Nazi stupid. Two he goes over and

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 2>he thinks he's doing something really tough. And then all

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 2>of his annoying male relatives come over and just make

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 2>it look like it just looks like Kendall was trying

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.360
<v Speaker 2>to do what they were doing. Like he just looks

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 2>just as ridiculous as Connor, he looks just as ridiculous

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 2>as Roman, he looks just as ridiculous as Greg. He

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 2>is nobody. And then we get that ultimate, you know,

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 2>big fucking boss move from Shiv that's just so perfectly timed.

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:29.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to pull him away. But before that, let's get

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>to prompt number four. You saw how MENCN, who is

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:37.359
<v Speaker 1>a born bully, treats someone who is weaker and less

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>powerful than him, or has shown himself to be weaker

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 1>by showing emotion. The kind of emotion that, like say,

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>a son might show at the loss of a parent

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 1>day at least is the problem? Number four, people who

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>are weaker and less powerful than you. What gives why

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 1>would they do that? What's their problem?

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 2>How could they?

0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 1>What's their issue?

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 2>You're telling me you're you're less powerful than a Nazi president.

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh so bad. Oh, it must be so hard for you.

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Your dad died and you're crying at his funeral. Give me,

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.399
<v Speaker 2>Come on, your dad was abusive to you, and now

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>you're crying. He's gone. Over it, he's gone. It's been

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 2>it's been seven days since he's gone it.

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Come on, go over it, Come on, stop it. Take

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>your millions and and and take them up and tear

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>them into little cleanex pieces and dab your eyes with

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>them and get back to work.

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and me some money. What do you think this is? Yeah?

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 1>What do you think this is a handout factory? You

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:42.320
<v Speaker 1>think this is handout? I think this is the You

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 1>think this is like a soup factory. Finally, Shiv pulls,

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>making a way to talk to lucas perfectly American CEO.

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, American CEO understands the values and it's Shiv

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 1>and then Shiv make sure that she that mencan knows

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 1>that Listen. Whatever my personal political views are, I don't

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>give a fuck about him because a ten viewers love you.

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I have no morals. I told a sexual abuse victim

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 1>to just shut up and take a money, Mariam, and

0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm willing to do that on a massive every day,

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 1>on a nationwide scale, every day. I know that atn's

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 1>viewers love you, and let's face it, we need them,

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 1>and so we're gonna give them as much making as

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:30.959
<v Speaker 1>they can take. What do you say? And Jared mancon

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 1>seems to he seems to buy this, He's fine with it.

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:39.799
<v Speaker 1>I think he likes the fact that a Democrat would

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 1>bow to him, yes, also a supposed liberally.

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 2>I think he loves that. And I also think in

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:49.720
<v Speaker 2>that moment he respects Shiven mats and don't fuck around.

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 2>They don't try. Ken was doing all this amorphous analogous

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:57.479
<v Speaker 2>like are you gonna help me? When I helped you,

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I butted your bread and now you want to give

0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 2>me the jelly Madison and Shiver like, we'll if you

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 2>do a deal with us, we'll just support you for

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 2>like years. But you have to let the deal go first,

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Shiver Madson. Now listen to this business listeners who care

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 2>about business and doing important business deals. They want from

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Menkin something he can give them first. That was the

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 2>big mistake Roman made. They gave Menkin what he wanted immediately.

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 2>If they'd out without any they'd have held out, if

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 2>they'd have even got a recorded a phone call where

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 2>he agreed to it, so they could threaten him with

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>prid quid pro quote, and yet they didn't. So Shive

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:50.399
<v Speaker 2>and Matson, if Menkin helps them push the deal through,

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 2>they will have gotten that and then they can either

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 2>welch or kind of navigate that deal as it comes.

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>But Ship's made it clear she doesn't care. She'll support him.

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 2>She'll be wearing a little ATM and you know pro

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Jared Mankin t shot. She's gonna be calling her baby

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Jared as long as she gets that CEO position she's in.

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 2>She's all in.

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Outside in the streets, protests are growing. It's getting a

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 1>bit Tiennemini out there. Tom says to Shive a reference

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 1>to something that happened in history. I forget what it was. Then,

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>quite belatedly, he apologizes Shive for not being there, you know,

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:29.920
<v Speaker 1>for the funeral and for winter dad died and all

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the stuff, and then he says, you know, by the way,

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:38.319
<v Speaker 1>I was the first person who got to kneel next

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>to your dad's dead body and say goodbye, and that

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>was a lot and he kind of breaks down a

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 1>little bit, although you don't see the tears, and next thing,

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:54.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, the on again, off again, weirdo toxic relationship is.

0:40:56.360 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Especially when Lady Caroline comes over and congratulates them. That's right.

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Uh. Then Shiv gets Carl from Matten. It's a yes,

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 1>he says. Now this brings us to prompt number five

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 1>and potentially the biggest prompt of the show's history. It's

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 1>a yes from Mencin. It's a yes from the board.

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 1>What is the yes? Who is the yes?

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I think, using all my business acumen that I have

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.720
<v Speaker 2>gained over many years of being a rich business person,

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 2>I believe it's Mencin. Because Ken is still very much

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 2>trying to control the narrative of the board, and we

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 2>know that Hiv has not approached Frank, Shiv has not

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 2>approached Karl. Shiv has not been playing the Hugo game.

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 2>The board aspect is what Ken is trying to play.

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 2>I think Jered was very impressed with their little pitch.

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 2>She likes the idea. He can see the way that

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 2>the tide is turning aka Kendall and Roman of the

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Useless Brothers, which many of us knew, and she is

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 2>now ready to make this deal with the devil. He

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:15.799
<v Speaker 2>gets a you know, a white woman to stand in

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:19.800
<v Speaker 2>this place. He can say it's an inclusive, open, democratic space.

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she worked, she worked for stunt double Bernie Sanders.

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 1>She she can, she can have it all because she's

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 1>a woman exactly.

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 2>And I think that Matt's she's gonna lean in, She'll

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 2>she'll call us out. It's gonna it's she's gonna hold

0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 2>us accountable.

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 1>This is her fight song.

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 2>And I think Jared's people very quickly called Matson and

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 2>said absolutely, that's a better plan. And also, let's be real,

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that old you know, Alexander scarsguard Matson. I

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 2>think he was right. I think Jared probably liked seeing

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 2>a weird, six foot five Aryan guy saying I'll do

0:42:57.560 --> 0:43:00.120
<v Speaker 2>whatever you want. There's multiple airs to this, but I

0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 2>believe it was I believe it was.

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Mancan I think that I think the pitch too about

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 1>tech and social and the fact that Gojo understands that

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 1>world in a way that you know, people who have

0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>been involved with cable news for the last several decades

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 1>don't really understand it. That's that's a growth industry, you know,

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 1>as matts And himself has said, cable news, you know

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:34.840
<v Speaker 1>atm that's for you know, sixty and seven year old

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>angry retireing is like, this is not a growth business.

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think his pitch that hey, we know social,

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 1>like that's a place for you to have international reach,

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 1>not just not just reach within this country, but growing

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 1>international and cultural reach. And I think that was a

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.320
<v Speaker 1>big deal. I think that really I think that turned

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:57.239
<v Speaker 1>his head. Yeah. So yeah, I think it is menk

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.200
<v Speaker 1>and who gave the s Ken and Rome ship of

0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:04.839
<v Speaker 1>taking this call and glowing across the room. Uh. And

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Ken is like like, I think we're in trouble with Mencin.

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I think we need to fix this in Romans like, no,

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>what Mencon would not stand me? Why why would he

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 1>trust totray me? He's a trustworthy got Me and him

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:21.359
<v Speaker 1>we're tight. It was so tight. What are you talking about?

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.879
<v Speaker 1>And Ken is like that's I'm sorry, but I think

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 1>that's happening. And then he says, and you want to

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 1>know why it's happening, although he doesn't really make the

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:32.399
<v Speaker 1>connection that that concrete, but he basically says, you know, well,

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:34.719
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, you did fuck it up, you know,

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 1>the funeral speech. You did lose your shit, You fucked it,

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:43.320
<v Speaker 1>you fucked it with Jared. And Roman knows it's true.

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 1>It's true, he knows. And then Ken says, you know,

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 1>we have to get real and fight Ship at the board.

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.960
<v Speaker 1>And of course Ken has a plan, and he needs Roman,

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 1>much like Hugo, to.

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Be's li little dog and.

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:58.320
<v Speaker 1>The little dog carrier and to help him fetch papers

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 1>and fetch his slippers and and lie quietly at the

0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:06.160
<v Speaker 1>foot of his chair. Meanwhile, video of Roman's lack remost

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:13.200
<v Speaker 1>speech is already circulating the internets. Is as they say,

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, boosted by the Gojo algorithm. I'm sure, and

0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not great. You know, Carl and Frank are watching it.

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Jerry's there, and you know, of course, Jerry and Frank

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>because they are you know, more or less decent human beings,

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 1>are like, oh, we shouldn't be watching this. Carlo is like, oh,

0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 1>but but it's out there. We got to watch it.

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 1>We should we have to watch Roman in despair brought

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>to his lowest point from his highest point. You know,

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 1>earlier in the day he was about riding as high

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 1>as as any Roy could possibly be. And now he's

0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>essentially finished it. He's he's, in his brother's words, absolutely

0:45:55.560 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 1>fucked it. The video of him weeping is circulating the globe.

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:06.439
<v Speaker 1>Dick pics, uh, you know are soon to follow. I'm

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 1>sure to be out there. And Roman in despair goes

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:13.280
<v Speaker 1>out to see the protests. He sees the protesters running

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:15.719
<v Speaker 1>down the street and he starts braiding them, and then

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 1>he jumps over the the police fence that separates them

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:23.360
<v Speaker 1>from the crowd, and he starts braiding them again. And

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 1>next thing you know, Roman is beaten and bloody on

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the pavement.

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, final prompt. How long has it been since Roman

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.640
<v Speaker 2>got punched? Because I feel like he's someone who hasn't

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 2>been punched enough, and I feel like this was like

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:37.640
<v Speaker 2>maybe the first time he took a punch that wasn't

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 2>from his dad.

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not counting from any of his siblings. I'm gonna

0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:50.960
<v Speaker 1>say that what is Roman Roy probably like thirty seven

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:55.879
<v Speaker 1>or thirty eight I am gonna guess that he has

0:46:55.960 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 1>not been slugged for twenty years. I agree, I agree. Yeah,

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.839
<v Speaker 1>let's go down the Roy family. When's the last time

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:07.880
<v Speaker 1>that Ken has been punched?

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I think Ken has been punched in the last like

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 2>two years at least, because remember, he's going out, he's

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 2>like smoking crack, he's getting into Shenanigans, he's going to

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.320
<v Speaker 2>a bar, he's he's hanging out with people who probably

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:23.920
<v Speaker 2>get sick of his ship a lot quicker than the

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:28.360
<v Speaker 2>rest of them. So he's probably taken more more hits

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 2>than I feel like Rome has been relatively condil aside

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:32.240
<v Speaker 2>from the Charlt abuse.

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that's right. And and of course Ken did

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 1>take a pretty pretty hard hit when his forehead hit

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:45.080
<v Speaker 1>the steering wheel of the car that the young man

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 1>that he killed, Yes, died in Conroy. When's the last

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 1>time Connor now he may have he I think he

0:47:56.880 --> 0:48:01.719
<v Speaker 1>might have secret Service protection now. So it's certainly I

0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 1>knew like Connorlander.

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I knew like Conna probably could talk his way

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:10.839
<v Speaker 2>out of many situations, not because he's particularly good at it,

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 2>but because you would just get bored. You'd be like,

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.000
<v Speaker 2>please stop talking. I'm not even gonna get into this.

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 2>He's also very tall, so I think Connor I think

0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 2>he might be running in along not punched. Also, we

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 2>do get an interesting insight into the secret closeness that

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.279
<v Speaker 2>Connor had to Logan this episode. That hints to me

0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:32.560
<v Speaker 2>he also probably never even got a slap from Logan

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:34.440
<v Speaker 2>because he was the only one who knew about the

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 2>He was the only one who knew the Pets dot

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Com CEO Mausoleum existed. It's like the only real child.

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Because he wasn't seen as a business threat, Logan almost

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 2>just let him in on the ridiculous shit that he

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>was up to.

0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that I think that was clearly the case where

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Logan was like, here's something that you can handle. Will

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 1>you close this deal? From my mother?

0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Also final grim power play by Logan because the Mausoleum

0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 2>did have space for the family.

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 1>He was like, you going me, you know you can

0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 1>enjoy it. And then finally Shivroy.

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:21.399
<v Speaker 2>I hate to think about it, but I reckon she's

0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:24.960
<v Speaker 2>almost as recent as Kendall. She her relationship with Tom

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 2>is very bad. I I won't I won't allege that

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Tom is a wife beat up. I believe ship has

0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 2>gotten herself into some very bad relationships, and she also

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:36.320
<v Speaker 2>chats a lot of shit, and as we say in England,

0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:40.400
<v Speaker 2>chatshit get banged. So I'm sure she's had problems. I

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:44.360
<v Speaker 2>believe it's a problem.

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit of a trick question, because a

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:48.719
<v Speaker 1>couple of episodes ago, of course, Tom did flick her

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:51.240
<v Speaker 1>your lobes, saying that they were thick like barnacle.

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:53.719
<v Speaker 2>One of the best insult. Gonna count it one of

0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 2>the best insult.

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<v Speaker 1>Max Fisher, Welcome to the Welcome to the Market Moves program, gentlemen.

0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:23.280
<v Speaker 5>Her big fan, big fan of Market Moves.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're you're joining us on a on the perfect day.

0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Ronda Santis has recently announced that he will be joining

0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk and together they will be announcing Ronald. I'm

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.680
<v Speaker 1>close with him, so I can call him Ronald, Ronald,

0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Ronald's presidency, his his chase for the presidency, his presidential campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>as it were. Gentlemen, Lucas Matson and Jared Mancin are

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk and Rond de Santas.

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<v Speaker 5>I can see that, I see.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the question of who Jared Mancin is actually

0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.759
<v Speaker 6>a really interesting one, and I think people looking for like, oh,

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.600
<v Speaker 6>is he Dissanti, is is he Howley? Is he Tom

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.440
<v Speaker 6>Cotton and like I always felt very clear to me

0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:11.880
<v Speaker 6>who he is, which is he is the exact person

0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:16.279
<v Speaker 6>that I've always heard every democracy watchdog like professional say

0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:18.720
<v Speaker 6>they are most worried about. Which is a like Donald

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:20.760
<v Speaker 6>Trump demagogue plus s a far right YouTuber.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah yeah, like a smart Yeah, he's a smarter Donald.

0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:26.000
<v Speaker 5>He seems smart.

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 3>He's a smarter ruth.

0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:31.280
<v Speaker 7>Nobody seems all that charismatic. Like it was that speech

0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:34.879
<v Speaker 7>on election night where he was it's a little didn't

0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 7>it didn't move you? Hearing about the purity of the

0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:43.320
<v Speaker 7>American American fascism is very like Donald Trump's true Yeah, yeah,

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:44.120
<v Speaker 7>Like I feel like.

0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:45.560
<v Speaker 5>Jared Makin's brand.

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:48.759
<v Speaker 6>There is a little I have listened, unfortunately to a

0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:50.719
<v Speaker 6>lot of far right YouTubers and a lot like his

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:54.080
<v Speaker 6>sighting of like Thomas Aquinas and Saint Augustine. That's like

0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:58.279
<v Speaker 6>very like Mike Cernovich, like Robert Spencer and anyway, this

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:00.880
<v Speaker 6>is not us exactly bringing the pod to the life.

0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, he he definitely does feel like somebody that Esquire

0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 2>would have interviewed in twenty sixteen and called like an

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:10.120
<v Speaker 2>interesting alt right figurehead.

0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 5>Right, He's a fire he's a fire.

0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Brain he's dressed stylish for you guys.

0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:17.840
<v Speaker 5>He throws a bomb throwers.

0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:20.440
<v Speaker 1>The complex message of Jared Mancin.

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:26.560
<v Speaker 3>What was that line in the Times the cool Kids Philosopher?

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 3>They say Shapiro. Yeah, yeah, I think there's a touch

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 3>of Ben Shapiro in there.

0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Max, How would how would Maggie Haperman cover making.

0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:44.400
<v Speaker 3>No comment? Okay, but but it's.

0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:49.359
<v Speaker 1>It seems like, you know, Macancon.

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:52.000
<v Speaker 6>Would be calling Maggie every seven would be just all

0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:54.680
<v Speaker 6>You would not be able to walk past Maggie's cubicle

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:56.480
<v Speaker 6>without saying it should be on the phone.

0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:58.040
<v Speaker 3>You'd be like, oh, it's mancan, isn't it?

0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:00.920
<v Speaker 6>And he would just be off floating some like crazy

0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:04.719
<v Speaker 6>in her gossip that she would then put into the newspaper.

0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's an interesting moment in this latest episode where

0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Ken tells Rava that she's too online, too online, I

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:16.880
<v Speaker 1>guess because she cares about her kids, which I've always

0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:17.960
<v Speaker 1>thought of as a weakness.

0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Definitely.

0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your thoughts on Rava being too online or the

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 1>criticism in general of being too online?

0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:29.840
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's funny because I think too online is the

0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:33.399
<v Speaker 7>type of criticism you level towards someone when they're it's

0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:35.960
<v Speaker 7>meant to say that you're not really in touch with reality, right,

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:40.440
<v Speaker 7>that your reality is just the Twitter conversation, right. And

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:45.160
<v Speaker 7>what's funny about Kendall using it is he's so far

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:48.799
<v Speaker 7>removed from reality. I mean, the whole all of them

0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:51.279
<v Speaker 7>are every season, right, and it's like this is that

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:53.799
<v Speaker 7>episode was the first time we've seen sort of the

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<v Speaker 7>real world effects of the shit they've been pulling, right,

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<v Speaker 7>happening all around them. So it is very funny that

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<v Speaker 7>he accuses his ex wife of being two online.

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<v Speaker 6>It Actually it reminded me of like late twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 6>when Trump was, you know, both nearing and then had

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<v Speaker 6>won the election, where I feel like a lot of

0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 6>people were telling the I was too online because it'd

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<v Speaker 6>be like, hey, when this happens in other countries, like

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<v Speaker 6>here are the things that happens, and here's how it goes.

0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:22.840
<v Speaker 6>And everybody's like, oh, you're being hysterical, and like, what

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<v Speaker 6>was the line take take him.

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<v Speaker 7>Literally and serious seriously? Yeah, Selena Ziito, thank you, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>but there was. It also reminded me of the period

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<v Speaker 7>between the election and the insurrection. How can we forget

0:55:36.080 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 7>about that when everyone was like, oh, just humor Trump,

0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:40.839
<v Speaker 7>He's gonna he's gonna do this for a little bit

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<v Speaker 7>and then he's gonna golf.

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<v Speaker 5>He's gonna leave. He's going to leave the White House.

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:45.399
<v Speaker 5>What are you all worried about? He's going to leave.

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<v Speaker 6>It's amazing how many moments from the last five years

0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:50.960
<v Speaker 6>you will see resonance in the show. And I have

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<v Speaker 6>to say, I really think that this show has done

0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:55.799
<v Speaker 6>better than any show, better than really any piece of

0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:58.680
<v Speaker 6>entertainment art. Like the job it has done at capturing

0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 6>what it feels like to be America under this like era,

0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:05.279
<v Speaker 6>when democracy feels like it's crumbling around us. It's like

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<v Speaker 6>really incredible, And like I spent years at the times

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:11.240
<v Speaker 6>trying to convey basically exactly what this show is conveyed

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:14.480
<v Speaker 6>in like nine very crisp, entertaining hours, and it like

0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:17.120
<v Speaker 6>really makes me kind of mad.

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<v Speaker 3>They did a good job.

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<v Speaker 6>They did an amazing they're like the way that they

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<v Speaker 6>cover like institutions and how power broke. I was talking

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<v Speaker 6>to a friend of mine who works in a field

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<v Speaker 6>that it's euphemistically called election integrity, which means all of

0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:30.800
<v Speaker 6>the people who were like, yeah, it's a little scary,

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:33.600
<v Speaker 6>the like poll watchers and all the like democracy watchdog

0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:36.400
<v Speaker 6>groups and activist groups and people in state governments. And

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, what do folks in your world think

0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:43.040
<v Speaker 6>of successions treatment of things like election theft and disinformation

0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:44.560
<v Speaker 6>or all the things that are coming up in the show.

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<v Speaker 6>And she sent me the Leo pointing meme and she

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<v Speaker 6>was like, everybody's just like they nailed it, Like we

0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:51.440
<v Speaker 6>cannot believe how effectively they did, a lot of them

0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:52.919
<v Speaker 6>have actually consulted on the show too.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say, speaking of reality, how realistic was the

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<v Speaker 2>Roy's election party?

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I will say on the elect they've done

0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:09.440
<v Speaker 7>a very good job of making every political scenario quite

0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:15.560
<v Speaker 7>realistic that party. I don't know that the Democratic nominee

0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 7>staff would be at the Fox News Eles party that

0:57:19.480 --> 0:57:20.080
<v Speaker 7>seems at.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think. I don't think Nate would really would

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<v Speaker 5>be there.

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<v Speaker 6>I do One thing that the party captured well, I

0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:29.880
<v Speaker 6>thought was the sense that all of this is happening

0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:32.200
<v Speaker 6>in closed rooms with all of these people, this very

0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:34.640
<v Speaker 6>small number of people who are all maneuvering with like

0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:37.520
<v Speaker 6>very little mind for the consequences of what happens. And

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<v Speaker 6>I think you're right that this last episode was the

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:43.760
<v Speaker 6>first time that the consequences were starting to impose themselves

0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:46.080
<v Speaker 6>on the characters who have been have been causing this

0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:47.800
<v Speaker 6>for the last four seasons.

0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:50.800
<v Speaker 7>But it does capture something that happens a lot in DC,

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<v Speaker 7>which is, you know, Republicans and Democrats who will be

0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:56.640
<v Speaker 7>screaming at each other on TV or in the halls

0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:59.960
<v Speaker 7>of Congress suddenly find themselves at a cocktail party together.

0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:02.960
<v Speaker 7>They're just like, hey, yeah, we're friends, We're fine.

0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:07.560
<v Speaker 3>We really missed that, Yeah, desperately miss that's right.

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<v Speaker 7>I went back for the correspondence di inner weekend and

0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:10.479
<v Speaker 7>left a day early.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, in the past two episodes, we've seen this attempt

0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 1>by the Roy's brilliant attempt I think to leverage, you know,

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the leverage Democracy leveraged the country in order to get

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:36.560
<v Speaker 1>this Gojo deal killed. How often does horse trading, you know,

0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:39.160
<v Speaker 1>not of this brilliant magnitude where you're like, I'm going

0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:42.400
<v Speaker 1>to sell out the country level in order to get

0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:47.200
<v Speaker 1>control of my father's company. Like that's great, but how often,

0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:51.040
<v Speaker 1>how how realistic did you find that kind of horse trading?

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<v Speaker 7>I would say that before the Trump presidency, I would

0:58:56.720 --> 0:58:58.600
<v Speaker 7>have said, I don't know.

0:58:58.560 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 5>That it's that.

0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:03.000
<v Speaker 7>Right, Like maybe it's a little more subtle, but with

0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:06.200
<v Speaker 7>all the story, you know, Trump's like handing out pardons

0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:09.200
<v Speaker 7>and Rudy's gonna like split the two million dollars with him,

0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:13.160
<v Speaker 7>and like Jared's doing a deal with the Saudis. Like

0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:15.920
<v Speaker 7>it's pretty it seems pretty realistic.

0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:17.720
<v Speaker 3>It's getting Yeah, it's there to the deal man.

0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:18.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>And especially like the conversations between that we all saw

0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:26.040
<v Speaker 7>after the Fox defamation suit between like Fox executives and

0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:30.360
<v Speaker 7>like high ranking Republicans like that, that is pretty that

0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:31.040
<v Speaker 7>is pretty real.

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<v Speaker 6>So when you were in the Obama White House with

0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 6>the MSNBC executives, call you who were they calling to?

0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay?

0:59:38.920 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 7>Sure, and I would just put a bag of cash outside.

0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:45.160
<v Speaker 3>My office with a big dollar sign.

0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:47.080
<v Speaker 7>Yeah in the back, and then I would then, you know,

0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:49.680
<v Speaker 7>then should air my whatever I want to go on

0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:50.320
<v Speaker 7>whenever I want.

0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:51.160
<v Speaker 5>It would be great.

0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:55.960
<v Speaker 2>So talking about like important, you know, realities of the

0:59:56.040 --> 0:59:59.000
<v Speaker 2>day to day, where do you stand on sending blood

0:59:59.000 --> 0:59:59.920
<v Speaker 2>to your coworkers?

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<v Speaker 6>Can I actually tell you, guys a story about getting

1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:08.800
<v Speaker 6>recruited to crooked media is a few months ago and

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<v Speaker 6>I got there was no bags of blood, but I

1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:13.400
<v Speaker 6>got this call from John, who I knew a little bit,

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<v Speaker 6>and I picked up the phonies to the John Favreau

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<v Speaker 6>and he said, you know, Max, life isn't nice.

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<v Speaker 3>It's contingent. People who say they love you also fuck me.

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<v Speaker 6>So this is an explicit plan to fuck the pod

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<v Speaker 6>me rule the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can come, but it won't be a collaboration.

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<v Speaker 6>You'll be my dog, but the scraps from the table

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<v Speaker 6>will be millions, millions.

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<v Speaker 5>And here he is.

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<v Speaker 6>He was referring to downloads, not dollars. But I thought

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<v Speaker 6>I'd a pretty good offer.

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<v Speaker 5>He is.

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<v Speaker 7>I will say that when we first started Cricket Media,

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<v Speaker 7>we used a random lawyer in Silicon Valley to start

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<v Speaker 7>doing some of our contracts with hosts for the first

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<v Speaker 7>couple hosts, and you could tell that these were not

1:00:57.440 --> 1:01:02.640
<v Speaker 7>standard entertainment contracts because I I think that we accidentally

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<v Speaker 7>asked Ann Marie Cox to like sign over her the

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<v Speaker 7>rights to her DNA. There was like some kind of

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<v Speaker 7>a weird standard like like bio bio startup contract.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this is like this. She's like, I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>I should this. We're like, you know what we actually

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<v Speaker 5>do not want?

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<v Speaker 1>That?

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<v Speaker 6>Is that what all those cloning booths are for in

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<v Speaker 6>the back room. I was runnering it was in these

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<v Speaker 6>giant tubs of good.

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<v Speaker 5>This is this is our version of living.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus do you think that this show has anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned that it really seems to nail the texture

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<v Speaker 1>the feel of this particular political moment. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>you could expound on that, What particularly are the things

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<v Speaker 1>that you look at and go God, that feels like

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<v Speaker 1>something that either has happened or would happen.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that ever since, there is a feeling, especially

1:02:03.080 --> 1:02:06.200
<v Speaker 7>among people among liberals, among people on the left, that

1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:12.200
<v Speaker 7>fascists have to necessarily have like carefully laid plans and

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<v Speaker 7>coherent ideologies, and that villains are like you know, two

1:02:18.520 --> 1:02:21.959
<v Speaker 7>D and they're just they're always sitting there plotting about

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<v Speaker 7>how they're going to take over the world and destroy

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<v Speaker 7>everything right, And in reality, I think what Succession gets

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<v Speaker 7>right is this is just a lot of rich, powerful,

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<v Speaker 7>selfish people who are quite nihilistic. And when you are

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<v Speaker 7>in positions of power with that much money and you

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<v Speaker 7>make a bunch of selfish, stupid, reckless decisions, it has

1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:47.600
<v Speaker 7>it can really fuck up the entire country and democracy.

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<v Speaker 7>And you don't have to have a plan to do it,

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<v Speaker 7>you just have to be as nihilistic as Roman has been,

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<v Speaker 7>certainly over the last couple of days, but in reality

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<v Speaker 7>all of them.

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<v Speaker 6>I've been thinking a lot about how this show feels

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<v Speaker 6>to me, like it's kind of in conversation with the

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<v Speaker 6>like the paranoid thriller movies in the nineteen seventies, you guys, know,

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<v Speaker 6>these movies like yeah, Parallax View and All Presidence Men

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<v Speaker 6>and Conversation and this, like all the thrillers that came

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<v Speaker 6>out after Watergate and Vietnam and kind of like captured

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<v Speaker 6>this sense that the country had that you know, democracy

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<v Speaker 6>was a lie and there were these vast, all powerful conspiracies,

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<v Speaker 6>and we're in kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>A similar moment.

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<v Speaker 6>But Succession's final season feels very different, like you're saying,

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<v Speaker 6>because there's no vast conspiracy, there's no big, shadowy plot,

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<v Speaker 6>and there's also the like nineteen seventies thrillers usually have

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<v Speaker 6>a protagonist who is like we're seeing, who's like fighting

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<v Speaker 6>back to trying to like protect what's great about America.

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<v Speaker 6>But this show is so nihilistic and bleak. There's not

1:03:46.640 --> 1:03:50.120
<v Speaker 6>really good or bad. There's just these like bumbling idiots

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<v Speaker 6>basically who were like in positions of power and crashing

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<v Speaker 6>around on each other and like happened to be bringing

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<v Speaker 6>around these terrifying consequences and it's like it's it messed

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<v Speaker 6>up because there's so much darker than those seventies political thrillers,

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<v Speaker 6>but their grasp of how things actually work is so

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<v Speaker 6>much more like mechanistically fine grained and connect and the

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<v Speaker 6>sense of like institutions, And the showrunner has worked on

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<v Speaker 6>shows in the UK that focus on institutions and bureaucracies,

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<v Speaker 6>and you like, really see he's got like a little

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<v Speaker 6>bit of a political science list. And there was actually

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<v Speaker 6>there was a line that Mattson had where he was

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<v Speaker 6>on the phone. He was saying that you're not even

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<v Speaker 6>a real democracy or less of a democracy than Botswana

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<v Speaker 6>because you've been a democracy for fifty.

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<v Speaker 5>To fifty years.

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<v Speaker 6>Yea, yeah, And that is actually a like very specific

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<v Speaker 6>argument that is really big in political science right now,

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<v Speaker 6>that the US didn't formally become a democracy until about

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<v Speaker 6>fifty years ago. And I feel like that must have

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<v Speaker 6>been a deliberate nod.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, well, so this argument, if you believe this argument,

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<v Speaker 1>it goes simply because women and then people of color

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<v Speaker 1>had a we'll call it a difficult time or a

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<v Speaker 1>touchy time voting for much of the country's history, that

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<v Speaker 1>somehow this wasn't a full fledged democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what people are saying in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>poly size You're.

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<v Speaker 3>Not You're not liking this, are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you Jared?

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<v Speaker 2>You're You're just looking.

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<v Speaker 6>For something, something clean in this polluted land, something not compromise.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 7>And I also thought I thought they really got right,

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<v Speaker 7>Like at the beginning of the Trump administration, there were

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<v Speaker 7>a bunch of sort of establishment Republicans who went to

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<v Speaker 7>go work for Trump and like slash former Democrats. You

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<v Speaker 7>know what's his name, Gary Uh, the finance guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we're going to keep him on the rails.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>The Committee, the Committee, the Committee to say of America,

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<v Speaker 7>Remember the Committee to say America. The adults in the

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<v Speaker 7>YEA and those people genuinely believed right that I am

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<v Speaker 7>here because I'm going to have influence over him and

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<v Speaker 7>I'm going to help stop Trump.

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<v Speaker 5>And you can see that in like Shiv and Kendle.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember at Kendall at one point was yell it

1:06:04.320 --> 1:06:05.800
<v Speaker 7>was another episode yelling at his ex wife.

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<v Speaker 5>He's like, you have no idea what I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 5>do here on.

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<v Speaker 7>And then Hiv, who is like terrified that Macan wins

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<v Speaker 7>them in the very next episode, is like, I can

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<v Speaker 7>impress the Nazi. I could watch and my dad. My

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<v Speaker 7>dad died, so I could do anything right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Something this show really captures that speaks to that, I

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<v Speaker 6>think is this sense that not only is nobody coming

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<v Speaker 6>to rescue, but there's no guardrails, there's no safety. And

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<v Speaker 6>that was something that really came through, I thought in

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<v Speaker 6>the Election Night episode where they're just like in the

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<v Speaker 6>conference room deciding to steal the election, and like, I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know about you, but I found that really triggering.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, tend to Ndle doing a great impression of like

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<v Speaker 7>most people on Wall Street, the markets will he'll be

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<v Speaker 7>constrained by the markets and capitalism and the business interests.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you know a lot of what we do here

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<v Speaker 2>at Market Moves is about predicting things. You know, even

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<v Speaker 2>the more liberal X ray Vision hosts they predict things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, for you guys, what do you think the

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<v Speaker 2>viewers should be looking out for when we come to

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<v Speaker 2>the finale? How do they land this realistic view of America.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens.

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<v Speaker 7>So I have been thinking that perhaps Kendall finally gets

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<v Speaker 7>his crown, but he's basically, you know, ruling over the

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<v Speaker 7>ashes and that the whole that it's not worth being

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<v Speaker 7>the CEO of this company because you know, Mattson and

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<v Speaker 7>everything that the kids have done just sort of destroy

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<v Speaker 7>it somehow.

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<v Speaker 5>So I've been thinking that's possible.

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<v Speaker 7>Although I have to say i am a Market Moves fan,

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<v Speaker 7>so I've been listening to previous episodes.

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<v Speaker 5>After watching the last episode, I could see a Greg, I.

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<v Speaker 2>See it.

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<v Speaker 5>I could see Greg as the s CEO. I thought

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<v Speaker 5>it was silly at first, and I'm like.

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<v Speaker 6>That tight shot of Batson in the limousine there clearly

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<v Speaker 6>there's someone who is next to them, and like, who

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<v Speaker 6>else could it be? I mean, that was the only

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<v Speaker 6>person I think it was missing at that point.

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<v Speaker 5>That would be that would be so well. So I'm really.

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<v Speaker 6>Curious what's gonna happened with the like way Star calling

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<v Speaker 6>Wisconsin prematurely, which they have set up for like that

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<v Speaker 6>might come back, and that of course like really parallels

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<v Speaker 6>like Fox News doing Stop the Steal after twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 6>and the show is like aligning with reality in these

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<v Speaker 6>ways that are really interesting, but I think also make

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<v Speaker 6>it like an even bigger challenge to land this ship,

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<v Speaker 6>because like Fox News doing Stop the Steal we know

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<v Speaker 6>now is like really blown up in their face. They

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<v Speaker 6>had to pay an eight hundred million dollar fine. They'll

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<v Speaker 6>probably pay more. They lost Tucker Carlson, they like really

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<v Speaker 6>lost out, but if that happened to Waste Star, it

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<v Speaker 6>would kind of ring false for the show's themes. So

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<v Speaker 6>they're in kind of this tricky position. I think, like,

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<v Speaker 6>I think we won't know what will happen with Menken.

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<v Speaker 6>That's my big prediction, if.

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<v Speaker 5>You're really coming about it.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think we're gonna know what's gonna happen with Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think we're gonna know if you're gonna be president.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think we know what's gonna happen with this

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<v Speaker 6>social unrest, which I think is actually really fitting because

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<v Speaker 6>that's kind of where we are as a country, Like

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<v Speaker 6>we still like a take that I like just thing occasionally.

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<v Speaker 6>It's it like January sixth is an ongoing event and

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<v Speaker 6>we don't know how it is going to resolve, And

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<v Speaker 6>I think that the show is like really landing that message.

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<v Speaker 5>That'll help me sleep tonight. Good heart tape, it's a

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<v Speaker 5>good heart take you gave.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's it's something I'm legitimately interested in. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans have been the party of business since the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteenth century with this spread of banks and the

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<v Speaker 1>spread of capitalism, and it was you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you could argue Bill Clinton embracing capitalism, the creation of neoliberalism.

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<v Speaker 1>After the collapse of the Soviet Union, people realize, oh

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<v Speaker 1>this is let's get on board the train and say

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<v Speaker 1>that we love it. That has it feels like we've

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<v Speaker 1>parted with that. Certainly, the left electorate hates capitalism now

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<v Speaker 1>and they're all they love Marx and they love Mao

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<v Speaker 1>and it's ridiculous what's going on. But how do you

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<v Speaker 1>how do you u how do you expect to win

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<v Speaker 1>without aling with capital.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think this is this a question about

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<v Speaker 5>the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a great question, but that's.

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<v Speaker 7>Why I think that's why I think like manke in

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<v Speaker 7>right is like so malleable when when when Shiv and

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<v Speaker 7>Mattson are like he's playing maybe maybe don't block the deal?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, right, right?

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<v Speaker 5>And like fascists don't really care like capitalism or not.

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<v Speaker 5>They just they want to just they want to.

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<v Speaker 3>They want control, right, that's the whole disantas thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, He's going after the big corporations because they think

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<v Speaker 6>that's going to be useful foil for him. And now

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<v Speaker 6>Disney is the hero of the resistance, which is a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit of a weird position to be in.

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<v Speaker 5>It's all, it's all in the service of power. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's how they that's true.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that does actually align pretty well. Yeah, okay, So

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<v Speaker 6>the answer to your question is nothing matters. It's all

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<v Speaker 6>power and money.

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<v Speaker 5>It's all money and gossip. Are you happy you had.

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<v Speaker 3>A sound.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy in the sense that you know, I understand

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<v Speaker 1>now that there's nothing to fear from you. Guys. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got it. The market move side is on the right

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<v Speaker 1>side of history. Money Ascendant Jared mac In twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going all the way. We love it. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>gentlemen for joining us, and good luck on good luck

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<v Speaker 1>on your on your side of things.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, thank you, thank you for having us. Good luck

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<v Speaker 7>good luck out there on the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>We fly only helicopters now, we don't private, private, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see yeah, thank you. Up next, yellow Jackets.

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<v Speaker 2>We are stepping out of the airlocks and in to

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<v Speaker 2>the still mysterious where is it we don't know wilderness

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<v Speaker 2>of yellow Jackets, which we don't know, just some snowy place. Yellowjackets,

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<v Speaker 2>Season two, Episode eight, with the Perfect Name It Chooses,

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<v Speaker 2>Directed by Daisy von Schirler Mayer and written by Sarah L.

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson and Liz Fang. We begin after Shawna's physical therapy

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<v Speaker 2>session that ended last week's episode aka when she beat

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<v Speaker 2>the shower of Lottie because you know, she was upset

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<v Speaker 2>that her baby died. So understandable, but probably not a

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<v Speaker 2>great idea. Beaten and bruised, Lotty is, she's pissing blood.

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<v Speaker 2>She's being cared for by an ever useful Misty, but also,

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<v Speaker 2>do you really want Misty to be the one caring

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<v Speaker 2>for you? Lot of Marie, who is one of Lotty's

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<v Speaker 2>number one followers, is kind of putting on a sassy

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<v Speaker 2>front complaining a lot, but secretly she's absolutely devastated, but

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<v Speaker 2>adding more fuel to our fire about the potential parallel timelines. Lotti,

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<v Speaker 2>whose face is just absolutely decimated and she is she's struggling.

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<v Speaker 2>She seems to be having visions from both the past

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<v Speaker 2>and the future. She sees future Lotti. She sees future

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<v Speaker 2>Lotti holding the Queen of Hearts cards. She sees these flashes,

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<v Speaker 2>and just before those iconic credits begin to roll, we

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<v Speaker 2>actually get one of the most brutal and grim reveals

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<v Speaker 2>of this season, which is that Aquila's little mouse friend.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the few bright spots of the show, her

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<v Speaker 2>little bud been keeping her going. Tie leans over to

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<v Speaker 2>Aquila and says, who are you talking to? She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>go away, Rip to that mouse because the mouse is

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<v Speaker 2>dead and maybe has always been dead because it's mummified.

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<v Speaker 2>Rip to that mouse looking no mouse jerkie maybe, but no,

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<v Speaker 2>not good and Aquila's pretty upset. That is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most shocking reveals yet in Yellowjackets. The cute mouse

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<v Speaker 2>was always dead. Maybe. At Camp green Pine, adult Shawna

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<v Speaker 2>is not having really much of a better time than

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<v Speaker 2>teen Shawna as she tells the others that the police

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<v Speaker 2>have found the dismembered body of Adam Martin. Guess somebody

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<v Speaker 2>didn't listen to Misty's instructions, or else they wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>been able d maybe then they wouldn't have been able

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<v Speaker 2>to identify him. But you know whatever, Misty tyan Nat

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<v Speaker 2>tried to convince, well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they I will say, I will say they

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<v Speaker 1>did a pretty thorough job as we see.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a good point. And also they identified him

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<v Speaker 2>through a means that they would not have been able

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<v Speaker 2>to know about. So you make a good point. I defect.

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<v Speaker 2>They did follow Misty's rules. They did a horrific job,

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<v Speaker 2>as we will learn later. And Misty disgusting and Misty

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<v Speaker 2>tyan Nat try to convince Shawna like, don't go back

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<v Speaker 2>and see CALLI and Jeff. You need to stay here.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to talk about this. You made us an

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<v Speaker 2>accomplice in a murder. Remember that? And Van is like,

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<v Speaker 2>fuck all of you, what's going on, throws Seanna's keys

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<v Speaker 2>into the forest and says, we are not going anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>until we have a little bit of a group therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>So off to the sharing shack they go. Time to

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<v Speaker 2>do some sharing, but before we get there, the camera

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<v Speaker 2>is getting blurry in yellow jackets. Don't worry, not your eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a cool cinematography effect to let you know

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<v Speaker 2>everyone is starving. It's getting to that time now everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>feeling wobbly. Tie is seeing nighttime Tie in the daytime,

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<v Speaker 2>Van is sneaking around, looking suspicious and offering up belts

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<v Speaker 2>to be stewed into soups because they are that hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>It worked for Charlie or shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like you know you're gonna eat a stew made

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<v Speaker 2>of leather? Maybe you are. They're getting really hungry and

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<v Speaker 2>they're in the wilderness. Can you see where this is going?

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder cannibalism, remember it. Tensions are rising, and everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of already plotting on eating lot He's still warm

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<v Speaker 2>and absolutely not dead yet body. Nat starts to wonder

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<v Speaker 2>whether Lotty's death could be a good thing, which makes

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<v Speaker 2>sense seeing as everyone is turning to Lotty's supernatural side,

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<v Speaker 2>even Young Harvey, Young logical Harvey. He's even been praying

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<v Speaker 2>to a specific symbol tree, which Natalie finds worrying. When

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<v Speaker 2>she shares that with Coach Ben, her only logical friend

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<v Speaker 2>left the newly awakened and no longer disassociating into history,

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<v Speaker 2>Coach Ben takes a different lesson. This is not not

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<v Speaker 2>something good for the group. I mean, like Lotty dying,

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<v Speaker 2>who cares what was that about a tree? Have he's

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<v Speaker 2>been visiting a strange tree and bowing to it? Could

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<v Speaker 2>that be where he hid for all those months?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I mean, it's just a a simple street line. Take, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>where's whe's tree? Maybe you could hide in?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I could hide in a tree so you guys

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<v Speaker 2>don't eat me. Maybe pretty good idea, Honestly I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>And once again in epic coach ben timing, remember he

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<v Speaker 2>avoided Jackie's cannibalistic feast. It's a good time because the

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<v Speaker 2>girls are losing it. Marie is seeing blood seeping from

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<v Speaker 2>the walls. Ty can hear the dripping. It's all going

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<v Speaker 2>horribly wrong. And speaking of horrific visions, Yellow Jackets is

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<v Speaker 2>a really great show. We love it for many reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is at its heart a horror show. I

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<v Speaker 2>will say season two has kind of felt like it's

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<v Speaker 2>veering away from that a little bit because of the

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<v Speaker 2>supernatural elements, the survivalist elements. But we get such a

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<v Speaker 2>horrible scene here after Jeff, poor lovely Jeff, he suffers

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<v Speaker 2>from a a true night terror that is instigated by

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Tan and our worst enemy on the show, m Sarahcusa.

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<v Speaker 2>The worst cop in the hole of yellow jackets. They

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<v Speaker 2>show up and they're like, hey, this is like a

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<v Speaker 2>really normal thing that cops do actually do, which is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to show you some horrible images of

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<v Speaker 2>a decapitated and chopped up dead body. How'd you feel

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<v Speaker 2>about that? Would you like to see it? This is

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<v Speaker 2>where a very sharp knife cut through somebody's limbs. Enjoying

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<v Speaker 2>that image looks delightful. Yeah, it is very horrible. And

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, as we the audience know that Sewna

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<v Speaker 2>did cut that body up, it adds a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more context to the choice that the women made when

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<v Speaker 2>they decided they were going to get rid of the body.

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<v Speaker 2>It is very grotesque. But you know what, these cops

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<v Speaker 2>don't know Jeff is an accomplice. They could just be

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<v Speaker 2>showing this to an innocent man. They know nothing. Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>is understandably very upset, and later he is at home

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<v Speaker 2>and Shauna arrives back from Camp Green Pine and he's

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<v Speaker 2>so happy to see her. And as usual, it's Shawna.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's incredibly horny and they're making out but done

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<v Speaker 2>dune Dune. She has electric turkey carvers for hands.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she's horny because it's the worst possible exactly

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<v Speaker 1>horny right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Shauna, Please, he's like your own have found your lover's

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<v Speaker 2>dead body. Don't be coming home and kissing me up,

1:19:36.080 --> 1:19:38.559
<v Speaker 2>and then don't be chopping me with your turkey carver

1:19:38.680 --> 1:19:41.800
<v Speaker 2>hands that you have apparently replaced your real hands with

1:19:41.840 --> 1:19:44.080
<v Speaker 2>because your life is so boring that you need some

1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:48.080
<v Speaker 2>excitement by adding turkey carvers to your stump arms. It

1:19:48.120 --> 1:19:51.519
<v Speaker 2>was truly horrific, surprising no one. It was also a dream,

1:19:51.880 --> 1:19:55.519
<v Speaker 2>but Jeff probably having some issues. I feel like at

1:19:55.520 --> 1:20:00.559
<v Speaker 2>this point, accepting okay, do you think how likely do

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<v Speaker 2>you think it is as we head into the final

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<v Speaker 2>episode of this season that Jeff is going to turn

1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:11.679
<v Speaker 2>on Shana and shot her to the cops to protect

1:20:11.760 --> 1:20:12.360
<v Speaker 2>him and Cally.

1:20:15.640 --> 1:20:25.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that he ever gets there unless something else,

1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:30.719
<v Speaker 1>something else, like you know, a friend of a friend

1:20:31.120 --> 1:20:35.160
<v Speaker 1>dropping a clue to the police. It's some extra pressure.

1:20:35.240 --> 1:20:38.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he'll ever turn on her without something

1:20:38.840 --> 1:20:40.679
<v Speaker 1>outside acting on their relationship.

1:20:40.720 --> 1:20:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with you. I think he's I think

1:20:42.960 --> 1:20:45.600
<v Speaker 2>he's scared, but I don't think he's that scared. I

1:20:45.600 --> 1:20:49.799
<v Speaker 2>think he does truly love Shawna a in a very

1:20:50.000 --> 1:20:54.599
<v Speaker 2>all encompassing way that's quite defined by loyalty in lotty sharing,

1:20:54.640 --> 1:20:57.639
<v Speaker 2>Shack talking about loyalty, the truth is coming out. Shawna

1:20:57.720 --> 1:21:02.200
<v Speaker 2>reveals Jeff knows about the through killing Adam, and when

1:21:02.280 --> 1:21:04.960
<v Speaker 2>thy classic tie here just saying tries to act like

1:21:05.400 --> 1:21:08.880
<v Speaker 2>high and mighty. This is a lot This is like

1:21:08.920 --> 1:21:10.880
<v Speaker 2>one of the funniest scenes because if you were doing

1:21:10.920 --> 1:21:13.400
<v Speaker 2>like a speed recap, you wouldn't believe that all of

1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:17.800
<v Speaker 2>this happens in like one secret. So Ty does a

1:21:17.800 --> 1:21:20.960
<v Speaker 2>classic situation. She's high and mighty. Oh my god, Seana,

1:21:21.040 --> 1:21:23.040
<v Speaker 2>how could you do that? How could you reveal our

1:21:23.080 --> 1:21:27.759
<v Speaker 2>secrets to your loving husband? And Misty's like, h remember

1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:31.240
<v Speaker 2>when you revealed all of our secrets to a PI

1:21:31.439 --> 1:21:36.400
<v Speaker 2>called Jessica who came and offered us hundreds of thousands

1:21:36.439 --> 1:21:39.320
<v Speaker 2>of dollars to write a book about being in Yellowjacket's

1:21:39.360 --> 1:21:41.439
<v Speaker 2>just a test whether you could trust us or not.

1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:46.000
<v Speaker 2>And everyone's understandably pissed, and van As the kind of outsider,

1:21:46.040 --> 1:21:47.800
<v Speaker 2>makes a really good point. She says, well, how do

1:21:47.840 --> 1:21:51.360
<v Speaker 2>you know this is a safe situation? And seawans like, yeah,

1:21:51.360 --> 1:21:54.040
<v Speaker 2>what if she goes rogue? You know? And Misty says,

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry, I murdered her. I took care of it.

1:21:57.920 --> 1:21:59.960
<v Speaker 2>And the best thing is, like nobody's surprise.

1:22:02.320 --> 1:22:05.639
<v Speaker 1>Nobody even blinks at this. Well, there's been so much

1:22:05.760 --> 1:22:09.800
<v Speaker 1>crazy information already revealed in the sharing, in the scheering check,

1:22:10.200 --> 1:22:13.400
<v Speaker 1>like in the two minutes before this, that like that

1:22:13.600 --> 1:22:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Misty killed another person is definitely not a shit.

1:22:16.840 --> 1:22:19.680
<v Speaker 2>And as Misty says, you know, you're welcome because guess what,

1:22:19.760 --> 1:22:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I took care of it. Yes, as useful. And then

1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Seanna's like, well, this is crazy because you're now you

1:22:24.720 --> 1:22:27.479
<v Speaker 2>know that. Not only that, but the FBI has been

1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:32.760
<v Speaker 2>going around to Randy asking questions about, you know, Natalie,

1:22:33.200 --> 1:22:35.639
<v Speaker 2>and Natalie's like, well, I'm a Missy's like, Nana, don't worry.

1:22:35.720 --> 1:22:39.240
<v Speaker 2>That was actually me and my boyfriend. We we were

1:22:39.280 --> 1:22:41.240
<v Speaker 2>the ones. We pretended to be the FBI so we

1:22:41.280 --> 1:22:43.599
<v Speaker 2>could find Natalie, you know, as you do. And then

1:22:43.640 --> 1:22:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Misty's like, wait a minute. He was actually very upset

1:22:47.360 --> 1:22:51.040
<v Speaker 2>and worried about something, and he mentioned your husband, Seanna,

1:22:51.439 --> 1:22:55.120
<v Speaker 2>He mentioned Jeff, so what could that be about? And

1:22:55.280 --> 1:22:59.960
<v Speaker 2>it finally comes out that Jeff and not Adam, was

1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:03.640
<v Speaker 2>the blackmailer unbelievable reveals.

1:23:05.680 --> 1:23:08.559
<v Speaker 1>And honestly a good reason for not telling them because

1:23:08.600 --> 1:23:11.880
<v Speaker 1>she was afraid that, you know, that they might murder him.

1:23:11.920 --> 1:23:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're like, how could you say that? And

1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Van's like, Misty did literally murder someone she thought was

1:23:17.240 --> 1:23:21.759
<v Speaker 2>the blackmailer. And then you know, it's quite the time

1:23:21.800 --> 1:23:24.439
<v Speaker 2>in the Sharing Shack. I mean, who could know that

1:23:24.600 --> 1:23:28.360
<v Speaker 2>so many truths were about to come out back in

1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the nineties. You know, teen Misty is on Coach Ben's

1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:33.720
<v Speaker 2>suicide watch, but she doesn't need to worry because he's

1:23:33.760 --> 1:23:36.479
<v Speaker 2>not sharpening the machete to do any harm to himself,

1:23:37.000 --> 1:23:40.160
<v Speaker 2>just to adapt his crutches for the snowy weather so

1:23:40.200 --> 1:23:42.679
<v Speaker 2>he can make an escape into the wilderness, which obviously

1:23:42.760 --> 1:23:45.599
<v Speaker 2>keeps secret from his stalk and Misty. While the group

1:23:45.640 --> 1:23:49.120
<v Speaker 2>begins to hallucinate from hunger, nat is being quite kind

1:23:49.200 --> 1:23:52.320
<v Speaker 2>as always, and she makes some gloves for Harvey, which

1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:56.160
<v Speaker 2>leads to this sweet moment where Travis makes peace with

1:23:56.280 --> 1:23:59.519
<v Speaker 2>her and says, I'm sorry forever making you think that

1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:02.800
<v Speaker 2>you want to good person, like I really I take

1:24:02.840 --> 1:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>that back, and you are a good person and you'll

1:24:04.760 --> 1:24:07.080
<v Speaker 2>definitely never do anything in this episode to make me

1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:10.040
<v Speaker 2>feel like that will change because you are a good person.

1:24:10.880 --> 1:24:13.679
<v Speaker 2>While Lottie wastes away with a fever in the attic,

1:24:13.720 --> 1:24:15.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not looking good for her. She tells Misty that

1:24:15.920 --> 1:24:19.439
<v Speaker 2>the girls have to eat her if she dies. She's like, look,

1:24:19.800 --> 1:24:22.400
<v Speaker 2>if I die, don't waste it. I didn't die for nothing.

1:24:22.439 --> 1:24:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Guys, can I ask an important question? Does she even

1:24:26.200 --> 1:24:29.280
<v Speaker 1>need to say this? They're starving out, they would do it.

1:24:29.320 --> 1:24:32.919
<v Speaker 1>They're like, they would do it in a heartbeat.

1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:35.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's like trying. She's like, I'm just gonna assuage

1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:37.360
<v Speaker 2>them of any guilt, Like they don't need to have

1:24:37.439 --> 1:24:39.719
<v Speaker 2>a question. I'm telling him that's you know, some people

1:24:39.920 --> 1:24:42.200
<v Speaker 2>want to be created, some people want to be buried.

1:24:42.280 --> 1:24:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Some people want to be buried at sea. I want

1:24:43.960 --> 1:24:46.519
<v Speaker 2>to be eaten by my friends in the wilderness. So

1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:49.040
<v Speaker 2>she just lets him know, and that will go on

1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:53.559
<v Speaker 2>to inspire a very fateful conversation within the group. But first,

1:24:54.000 --> 1:24:56.559
<v Speaker 2>an interesting thing that we learn about Walter here. He

1:24:56.760 --> 1:25:00.719
<v Speaker 2>is apparently a multi millionaire that wasn't a weird lie

1:25:01.040 --> 1:25:03.559
<v Speaker 2>that it seemed like it probably was, and he lives

1:25:03.600 --> 1:25:07.320
<v Speaker 2>in a very impressive, beautiful house with full floor to

1:25:07.400 --> 1:25:10.679
<v Speaker 2>ceiling windows and what's he up to? He's just doing

1:25:10.680 --> 1:25:12.000
<v Speaker 2>a puzzle drinking.

1:25:11.760 --> 1:25:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Bailey's on the internet as one listening to.

1:25:15.200 --> 1:25:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Not while I'm Around from Sweeney Todd, the lyrics of

1:25:18.240 --> 1:25:21.920
<v Speaker 2>which say demons are prowling everywhere plays through his you

1:25:21.920 --> 1:25:24.600
<v Speaker 2>know his bow's speakers. I assume some very bang and

1:25:24.680 --> 1:25:27.719
<v Speaker 2>off some and expensive speaker system. And when he sees

1:25:27.760 --> 1:25:30.800
<v Speaker 2>that Adam Martin's body has been found on his beloved

1:25:31.160 --> 1:25:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Reddit true crime boards, he sends a message to the

1:25:35.400 --> 1:25:38.840
<v Speaker 2>local police force saying he has information about the murder.

1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:43.800
<v Speaker 2>So big question is he snitching on Misty or, as

1:25:43.840 --> 1:25:47.320
<v Speaker 2>the lyrics play when he sends the email, no One's

1:25:47.320 --> 1:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna hurt you while I'm around, is he planning to

1:25:50.920 --> 1:25:55.040
<v Speaker 2>cover up for Misty? What do you think?

1:25:54.720 --> 1:25:59.479
<v Speaker 1>I think it's some version of cover up that may

1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>include incriminating people around. But I think he is trying

1:26:08.120 --> 1:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>to throw the police in a different direction. And I

1:26:12.040 --> 1:26:14.160
<v Speaker 1>think that he's then going to go to Misty and say, hey,

1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:14.840
<v Speaker 1>look what I did.

1:26:14.960 --> 1:26:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with you. I think that is the case.

1:26:19.000 --> 1:26:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I also think there's a very interesting duality with Walter

1:26:22.960 --> 1:26:27.320
<v Speaker 2>where I still have this theory that potentially he could

1:26:27.320 --> 1:26:29.960
<v Speaker 2>be connected to Crystal in some way, and maybe what

1:26:30.080 --> 1:26:33.200
<v Speaker 2>he wants is to get the police off Misty's case

1:26:33.280 --> 1:26:35.160
<v Speaker 2>so that he can kind of deal with her and

1:26:35.200 --> 1:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>get his vengeance. But I also just like the idea

1:26:38.560 --> 1:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>that they're just like two sociopaths who are going to

1:26:40.960 --> 1:26:42.920
<v Speaker 2>fall in love. Hannibal is one of my all time

1:26:42.920 --> 1:26:46.360
<v Speaker 2>favorite TV shows. I love murder, boyfriend's, murder, girlfriends, murder,

1:26:46.720 --> 1:26:50.360
<v Speaker 2>any kind of gender partners, so I like the idea

1:26:50.360 --> 1:26:54.360
<v Speaker 2>that him and Misty could just become like weird murder

1:26:54.479 --> 1:26:57.080
<v Speaker 2>vigilante boyfriend and girlfriend. So I'm on your side. I

1:26:57.120 --> 1:27:01.360
<v Speaker 2>do believe that he is trying to put them off

1:27:01.760 --> 1:27:06.839
<v Speaker 2>her scent, and interestingly enough, as he leaves his house,

1:27:07.640 --> 1:27:11.599
<v Speaker 2>he grabs a purple coat, So this offers another question.

1:27:11.800 --> 1:27:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Is he already part of Loti's crew, Probably not, or

1:27:15.240 --> 1:27:17.160
<v Speaker 2>is he headed to Camp green Pine and trying to

1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:18.439
<v Speaker 2>blend in with those followers.

1:27:19.800 --> 1:27:22.599
<v Speaker 1>I think that's exactly what he's gonna do. He's gonna

1:27:22.600 --> 1:27:25.439
<v Speaker 1>go there, and he's going to He might believe that

1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:29.040
<v Speaker 1>she is imprisoned there or whatever the case may be,

1:27:29.040 --> 1:27:29.960
<v Speaker 1>but he's gonna sneak out.

1:27:30.000 --> 1:27:34.599
<v Speaker 2>YEA believe that. So speaking of sweet people doing things

1:27:34.600 --> 1:27:37.880
<v Speaker 2>to protect the ones they love. Jeff has had his

1:27:38.000 --> 1:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>terrible night terror. He's seen Shanna with scary meat cleaver

1:27:42.080 --> 1:27:45.320
<v Speaker 2>hat I mean turkey carver hands, let's be specific about

1:27:45.320 --> 1:27:49.280
<v Speaker 2>the weaponry. And he shares some home truths with Callie,

1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:51.920
<v Speaker 2>who's up drinking a beer scandalous. You know she's only

1:27:52.000 --> 1:27:57.519
<v Speaker 2>eighteen and she's in high school. Guys, she's drinking a beer,

1:27:57.680 --> 1:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>trying to get to go to sleep, and Jeff tells

1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:05.759
<v Speaker 2>he's starting with adult car every time. And he shares

1:28:05.920 --> 1:28:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Shawna's most terrible loss from the wilderness with his daughter

1:28:11.080 --> 1:28:13.360
<v Speaker 2>that he knows about. We learn him maybe because he

1:28:13.400 --> 1:28:15.920
<v Speaker 2>read the journals, or maybe because Shawna told him. He

1:28:16.000 --> 1:28:19.400
<v Speaker 2>knows that Shawna lost a baby, and Cally is deeply

1:28:19.479 --> 1:28:22.040
<v Speaker 2>moved by the reveal. It's clear that this is also

1:28:22.200 --> 1:28:26.240
<v Speaker 2>very tied to why Jeff is so loyal. Is his

1:28:26.439 --> 1:28:28.760
<v Speaker 2>loyalty waning? We kind of touched on this. He seems to,

1:28:28.800 --> 1:28:32.840
<v Speaker 2>at least I feel like, be considering what Kevin was set.

1:28:32.960 --> 1:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Tan you know, the cop who slept with Natalie,

1:28:35.000 --> 1:28:38.040
<v Speaker 2>by the way, also seems problematic seeing as she's involved

1:28:38.040 --> 1:28:40.000
<v Speaker 2>in this case. Him and m Sarahkhu's are really doing

1:28:40.040 --> 1:28:43.240
<v Speaker 2>the most. When they came to the house with the

1:28:43.280 --> 1:28:46.439
<v Speaker 2>search warrant didn't find anything, it seems, but you know,

1:28:46.520 --> 1:28:49.160
<v Speaker 2>showed Jeff those scary images. He definitely seems to be

1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:51.720
<v Speaker 2>considering the idea of, oh, I could protect Cally. He

1:28:51.720 --> 1:28:55.280
<v Speaker 2>says to her, this isn't your burden to bear, but

1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>it's unclear. I don't think Cally would go along with that.

1:28:58.800 --> 1:29:01.719
<v Speaker 2>She has turned for being like one of the most

1:29:02.600 --> 1:29:05.280
<v Speaker 2>the worst characters in the season who was always doing crazy,

1:29:05.760 --> 1:29:09.120
<v Speaker 2>annoying shit and ended up like she really has found

1:29:09.120 --> 1:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>this weird anti hero kind of space for her mom

1:29:13.439 --> 1:29:17.000
<v Speaker 2>in her life. Speaking of which I'm gonna give you

1:29:17.320 --> 1:29:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Jason a giant We were right because Shaana does a monologue.

1:29:22.479 --> 1:29:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, she does a literal monologue, admitting that she

1:29:28.400 --> 1:29:31.320
<v Speaker 2>is just obsessed with blowing up her life and she

1:29:31.479 --> 1:29:34.080
<v Speaker 2>just can't stop making things worse. She can't stop she

1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:36.800
<v Speaker 2>wants the chaos. She even says she had the affair

1:29:36.840 --> 1:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>with Adam because she wanted to mix things up, and

1:29:38.960 --> 1:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>then ever since then she says, I've been trying to

1:29:40.920 --> 1:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>fix it, and then she's like, no, I haven't. I've

1:29:42.840 --> 1:29:45.320
<v Speaker 2>actually just been trying to make things worse. Everything I

1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>do is making things worse. And I was very impressed

1:29:48.400 --> 1:29:50.760
<v Speaker 2>because you called that shit from the very beginning of

1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:54.360
<v Speaker 2>this season about that being like Shana's driving force is

1:29:54.400 --> 1:29:58.280
<v Speaker 2>this kind of chaotic void that she just constantly wants

1:29:58.320 --> 1:30:00.280
<v Speaker 2>to blow up her suburban life life.

1:30:02.240 --> 1:30:06.040
<v Speaker 1>She gets off on the chaos. It's exciting to her.

1:30:06.160 --> 1:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Something about just normal relationships, normal living is boring and

1:30:14.760 --> 1:30:19.400
<v Speaker 1>isolating and and and entrapping to her. And she needs

1:30:19.439 --> 1:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>to break free. And the only way she can feel

1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>that she can do that is by doing crime by adultery,

1:30:28.760 --> 1:30:30.120
<v Speaker 1>by committing murders.

1:30:30.200 --> 1:30:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then has not committed a murder when we're

1:30:36.439 --> 1:30:37.200
<v Speaker 2>just feeling a bit.

1:30:39.479 --> 1:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who among this is not decapitated? And uh, the

1:30:43.600 --> 1:30:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the corpse of the person you were having an affair

1:30:46.400 --> 1:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>with so they cannot be identified. Then cut off the

1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:50.519
<v Speaker 1>hands and then cheese greater.

1:30:51.840 --> 1:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>It's just what it's very reliable to cheese gray as

1:30:54.200 --> 1:30:56.200
<v Speaker 2>someone's tattoos off. You don't want that to be that

1:30:56.200 --> 1:30:59.720
<v Speaker 2>that's a signifying mom Come on, Sean is honesty and

1:31:00.000 --> 1:31:02.840
<v Speaker 2>buyers Natalie to encourage the others to open up, which,

1:31:02.880 --> 1:31:04.760
<v Speaker 2>by the way, I still think Natalie is playing some

1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:07.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of long game here. I'm just not sure what

1:31:07.280 --> 1:31:10.840
<v Speaker 2>it is at this point, but sad times to see

1:31:10.840 --> 1:31:13.519
<v Speaker 2>it because she has really been struggling this season. Lottie

1:31:14.000 --> 1:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>takes the reins goes against what Natalie was saying, which

1:31:17.000 --> 1:31:19.080
<v Speaker 2>is very interesting because she's kind of been preaching this

1:31:19.160 --> 1:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>idea of therapy and talking their problems out, and she's like, no,

1:31:23.280 --> 1:31:26.320
<v Speaker 2>none of that's gonna help. Talking won't help. We are

1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>here for a reason, and the reason is the power

1:31:29.000 --> 1:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>of the wilderness, and I know what it wants. Cut

1:31:33.200 --> 1:31:36.640
<v Speaker 2>to the wilderness in the nineties, where we're about to

1:31:36.720 --> 1:31:40.120
<v Speaker 2>learn what Lotti thinks it wants. Lotti has offered her

1:31:40.120 --> 1:31:42.560
<v Speaker 2>body up for the good of the group the survivors.

1:31:43.680 --> 1:31:48.800
<v Speaker 2>In a very interesting and telling conversation, they decide they

1:31:48.840 --> 1:31:51.320
<v Speaker 2>don't want Lottie to die, and as Travis points out,

1:31:51.720 --> 1:31:54.160
<v Speaker 2>the only way she can survive is if she eats something.

1:31:55.600 --> 1:31:56.280
<v Speaker 1>I like that.

1:31:56.320 --> 1:31:59.000
<v Speaker 2>At this point, no one's even trying to find an animal,

1:32:00.280 --> 1:32:04.960
<v Speaker 2>like maybe we should go and do like one scope.

1:32:05.080 --> 1:32:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe there's some kind of like wintery animal who survived.

1:32:09.000 --> 1:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we could climb a tree, do you know, go

1:32:12.160 --> 1:32:15.559
<v Speaker 2>ice fish ice fishing in the lake. Like, yeah, there

1:32:15.600 --> 1:32:18.880
<v Speaker 2>seems like there's many different options, but as Tye says,

1:32:18.880 --> 1:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>we have to find a way to save Lotty and

1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:23.960
<v Speaker 2>to save ourselves. We need to eat and we're gonna

1:32:23.960 --> 1:32:28.080
<v Speaker 2>have to do whatever we can to survive. So if

1:32:28.120 --> 1:32:33.120
<v Speaker 2>you remember, the girls have been assigning chores via pulling

1:32:33.200 --> 1:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>cards from a deck. This is also very interestingly throughout

1:32:38.000 --> 1:32:41.680
<v Speaker 2>the season clearly been something they were rigging, because they

1:32:41.720 --> 1:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>would always make sure that Crystal and Misty had to

1:32:44.040 --> 1:32:46.720
<v Speaker 2>go on toilet Judy as punishment for Misty, you know,

1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>poisoning people who amongst us has again not poisoned some people,

1:32:52.040 --> 1:32:55.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, So it doesn't seem like a great trustworthy option,

1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:58.479
<v Speaker 2>but in an interesting narrative choice. I think in the

1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>discord Our Discord, there's been a conversation about it, and

1:33:01.280 --> 1:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I think on the Internet there's been a lot of

1:33:03.400 --> 1:33:08.160
<v Speaker 2>controversy about it. They don't really show them making this choice,

1:33:09.520 --> 1:33:12.000
<v Speaker 2>which I think is very interesting. So it more just

1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:16.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of you are left to add the narrative of

1:33:16.240 --> 1:33:18.320
<v Speaker 2>how they got there. But it's something we've seen them

1:33:18.320 --> 1:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>do before, and we get a really good kind of

1:33:21.040 --> 1:33:23.519
<v Speaker 2>riff on this, you know, in the thing when they're

1:33:23.520 --> 1:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>trying to work out who's infected and who's not, and

1:33:25.720 --> 1:33:29.360
<v Speaker 2>we get this very tense sequence who's going to get killed?

1:33:30.600 --> 1:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>How do you deal with that? It's so good and

1:33:33.280 --> 1:33:37.800
<v Speaker 2>so atmospheric, and people pull a card and Misty is

1:33:37.880 --> 1:33:41.880
<v Speaker 2>safe and Travis is safe and Shanna is safe. And honestly, Shanna,

1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>you probably should have been the sacrifice. You cause mad

1:33:44.200 --> 1:33:48.040
<v Speaker 2>problems and it should have been you, baby. But sadly,

1:33:48.080 --> 1:33:51.200
<v Speaker 2>for people with taste, it is Natalie who pulls the

1:33:51.280 --> 1:33:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Queen of Heart cards. You hate to see it. I

1:33:53.160 --> 1:33:56.360
<v Speaker 2>love Natalie. That is why I have my funny shag mullet.

1:33:56.439 --> 1:33:59.840
<v Speaker 2>She inspired me to do it. I love her, and

1:34:01.120 --> 1:34:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Natalie is the sacrifice. But we know Natalie still exists

1:34:07.840 --> 1:34:10.040
<v Speaker 2>in the future as we know it, so this seems

1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>like an odd choice. Seanna, of course, is the executor.

1:34:15.520 --> 1:34:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Loves to kill someone, just can't help it, just absolutely

1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:22.799
<v Speaker 2>adores it. And in a very sick move, she places

1:34:22.920 --> 1:34:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Jackie's necklace around Natalie's throat, which is a little heart necklace.

1:34:29.160 --> 1:34:32.360
<v Speaker 2>It's very gross. We get this duality here, there's this

1:34:32.520 --> 1:34:34.560
<v Speaker 2>two sides. If you are the sacrifice, you pull the

1:34:34.640 --> 1:34:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Queen of Heart's card, you put on this necklace and

1:34:36.760 --> 1:34:40.800
<v Speaker 2>that kind of designates you as being the sacrifice. We

1:34:40.840 --> 1:34:43.240
<v Speaker 2>can assume this is a version of what we saw

1:34:43.360 --> 1:34:45.920
<v Speaker 2>in the very first episode of Yellowjackets that got everyone

1:34:46.000 --> 1:34:50.160
<v Speaker 2>so hooked of the girls running after a sacrifice. We

1:34:50.160 --> 1:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>can assume they pulled the card and they were wearing

1:34:52.920 --> 1:34:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the necklace and they had to make that choice now

1:34:58.360 --> 1:35:01.960
<v Speaker 2>because Natalie is a bad one. She's not taking it

1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>at all. Sewn has too much of a coward to

1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:06.400
<v Speaker 2>look her in the eyes, and Natalie's like, no, look

1:35:06.439 --> 1:35:07.040
<v Speaker 2>me in the eyes.

1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Do it.

1:35:08.080 --> 1:35:09.599
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have to look at me while you slip

1:35:09.640 --> 1:35:12.599
<v Speaker 2>my throat. Give it a try, and Seana can't do it.

1:35:13.160 --> 1:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Travis in a choice that he will inevitably come to

1:35:16.040 --> 1:35:17.599
<v Speaker 2>regret and I'm sure will haun him for the rest

1:35:17.640 --> 1:35:20.800
<v Speaker 2>of his life. Just horrible shit that they do in

1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:24.439
<v Speaker 2>this This this final like fifteen minutes, is so fucking bleak.

1:35:25.720 --> 1:35:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Travis causes the commotion, pushes them out of the way,

1:35:30.880 --> 1:35:33.479
<v Speaker 2>and lets Nap run and this leads to one of

1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:36.240
<v Speaker 2>those sequences we've had teased throughout the season and flashes.

1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:38.720
<v Speaker 2>It's in the credit sequence. It got a lot of

1:35:38.760 --> 1:35:42.559
<v Speaker 2>people talking. The survivors are chasing Natalie through the forest

1:35:42.600 --> 1:35:45.160
<v Speaker 2>before we just saw them, you know, ties screaming and

1:35:45.240 --> 1:35:48.679
<v Speaker 2>they turn feral like. This is a turn of events

1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:49.040
<v Speaker 2>that I.

1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Truly I don't know any like it's like a zombie

1:35:51.439 --> 1:35:51.720
<v Speaker 1>and I.

1:35:51.640 --> 1:35:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Feel like that's what they were trying to establish with

1:35:53.720 --> 1:35:56.679
<v Speaker 2>this blurry camera angles. They wanted to show us how

1:35:56.720 --> 1:35:59.960
<v Speaker 2>far gone they were because they do not question it.

1:36:00.880 --> 1:36:03.880
<v Speaker 2>They do not for a second have any issue with

1:36:04.000 --> 1:36:07.720
<v Speaker 2>trying to eat Natalie. It's happening. It's gonna happen, and

1:36:07.760 --> 1:36:10.519
<v Speaker 2>she is gonna be dinner. Before we see what happens

1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:12.639
<v Speaker 2>to Natalie and how she survived, which is gonna break

1:36:12.640 --> 1:36:16.200
<v Speaker 2>your heart. We will have to wait and see because

1:36:16.400 --> 1:36:18.680
<v Speaker 2>in a very interesting and what I think will be

1:36:18.880 --> 1:36:23.639
<v Speaker 2>very important narratively turn of events. We cut to Camp

1:36:23.680 --> 1:36:27.240
<v Speaker 2>Green Pine, where Shauna immediately tells Lotti none of that

1:36:27.479 --> 1:36:35.640
<v Speaker 2>was real. I am so interested, like this is she

1:36:35.840 --> 1:36:39.200
<v Speaker 2>just continuing the direct conversation where Lotti was talking about

1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:42.519
<v Speaker 2>power of awardness? Is she talking about that entire vision

1:36:42.960 --> 1:36:46.839
<v Speaker 2>that we just saw. There is a definite, unreliable narrator

1:36:46.880 --> 1:36:50.680
<v Speaker 2>situation here that I think is incredibly interesting and more

1:36:50.760 --> 1:36:53.160
<v Speaker 2>likely lead into the next season. But we'll have to

1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:55.280
<v Speaker 2>wait to see how true or not true it is.

1:36:57.160 --> 1:36:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Because bad things are happening.

1:37:00.160 --> 1:37:00.280
<v Speaker 1>This.

1:37:00.760 --> 1:37:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Lotti has gone full of Heaven's Gate, as Misty points out,

1:37:06.560 --> 1:37:10.519
<v Speaker 2>and she wants the women to drink from cups, one

1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:14.679
<v Speaker 2>of which has been poisoned with phoenobarbital, and that person's

1:37:14.720 --> 1:37:18.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna die when they drink it. Would you drink it?

1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:21.360
<v Speaker 2>What do you think, Jason? Would you drink from one

1:37:21.360 --> 1:37:23.559
<v Speaker 2>of these cups? You're not drinking, thank you. I'm also

1:37:23.640 --> 1:37:25.280
<v Speaker 2>not drinking drinking.

1:37:25.439 --> 1:37:29.200
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, Lotti, Lotti, why is your every

1:37:29.280 --> 1:37:31.280
<v Speaker 1>idea well one of us should die?

1:37:31.320 --> 1:37:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm saying, do I need a.

1:37:33.280 --> 1:37:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Better solution to stay?

1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I think this is a big logical flaw in Lotti's part.

1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:41.599
<v Speaker 2>So Lotti's argument is, look, in the wilderness, we would

1:37:41.600 --> 1:37:46.320
<v Speaker 2>sacrifice somebody and then we would all survive because we

1:37:46.479 --> 1:37:50.000
<v Speaker 2>ate them. But also the wilderness would be happy if

1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:52.439
<v Speaker 2>we do that now, then time. Maybe your wife won't

1:37:52.479 --> 1:37:56.160
<v Speaker 2>die in a coma, Shanna. Maybe you won't get arrested

1:37:56.200 --> 1:37:58.439
<v Speaker 2>for this murder like the wilderness can hook us up. Natalie,

1:37:58.479 --> 1:38:00.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you won't be such a loser and a drug

1:38:00.240 --> 1:38:02.559
<v Speaker 2>addicts anymore fucked up Lotty. I don't know why. It's

1:38:02.600 --> 1:38:05.679
<v Speaker 2>like not really comparable to like everything else everyone's doing.

1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:09.040
<v Speaker 2>But sure, mistery, you are a murderer. Maybe you'll stop murdering.

1:38:09.240 --> 1:38:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Maybe not. I'm gonna say something if that's the case. Yeah,

1:38:13.160 --> 1:38:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Travis already died. Why didn't that fix their problems? The

1:38:16.800 --> 1:38:21.080
<v Speaker 2>wilderness chose Travis? Where's the logic of that adult Travis died?

1:38:21.120 --> 1:38:24.800
<v Speaker 2>He was murdered in what looked like a hallucinatory kind

1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:28.800
<v Speaker 2>of strange supernatural one of the main supernatural glimpses that

1:38:28.800 --> 1:38:32.280
<v Speaker 2>we've got. I feel like Lotti is struggling. We also

1:38:32.400 --> 1:38:35.760
<v Speaker 2>now know that her therapist never existed, so she was

1:38:35.840 --> 1:38:38.479
<v Speaker 2>never getting the medication that she needed for like the

1:38:38.520 --> 1:38:41.479
<v Speaker 2>last few weeks. This is a very sad turn of events.

1:38:41.800 --> 1:38:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely hate to see it. But also this is like

1:38:46.000 --> 1:38:48.120
<v Speaker 2>the most fucked up group of friends ever because, by

1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:50.400
<v Speaker 2>the end of Lotti explaining it, like none of none

1:38:50.439 --> 1:38:53.360
<v Speaker 2>of them are like this sounds really bad. Like everyone's

1:38:53.439 --> 1:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>just like yeah, everybody's like, okay, maybe maybe we should

1:38:58.360 --> 1:39:00.639
<v Speaker 2>just drink the poison call it. I mean, come on, guys,

1:39:00.720 --> 1:39:02.080
<v Speaker 2>this is cult leader one oh one.

1:39:03.760 --> 1:39:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I am surprised, honestly that no one has said, hey,

1:39:07.280 --> 1:39:09.400
<v Speaker 1>what about the other people that died? Like aren't we good?

1:39:09.560 --> 1:39:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Right? How many times do you have to do it?

1:39:11.880 --> 1:39:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Like what is the cost? And like Travis died.

1:39:15.280 --> 1:39:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Like recently paid to me?

1:39:18.040 --> 1:39:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very recently, you know, like it's and also if

1:39:20.400 --> 1:39:22.000
<v Speaker 2>that was the case, Lotty, why didn't you let Nat

1:39:22.040 --> 1:39:25.800
<v Speaker 2>kill herself? Like there's all these different the logic is

1:39:25.840 --> 1:39:28.200
<v Speaker 2>not there. So I believe that we can see that

1:39:28.240 --> 1:39:30.240
<v Speaker 2>this is something I think that is more of a

1:39:30.240 --> 1:39:34.720
<v Speaker 2>struggle in Lotty's head right now than a reality. But

1:39:35.600 --> 1:39:38.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, someone is faring a little bit better in

1:39:38.320 --> 1:39:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the worldness. It's coach Ben. He's feeling good. Guess what

1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:45.640
<v Speaker 2>he found Harvey's magical symboltry lo and behold big we

1:39:45.720 --> 1:39:49.040
<v Speaker 2>were right. I'm calling out by name because this is

1:39:49.080 --> 1:39:51.680
<v Speaker 2>the first person who I saw posit this theory. My

1:39:51.840 --> 1:39:54.280
<v Speaker 2>name is Dan, who is one of our discord users.

1:39:55.280 --> 1:39:58.040
<v Speaker 2>He had posited the theory that there was an underground

1:39:58.080 --> 1:40:02.320
<v Speaker 2>tunnel system and that symbols on the trees basically marked

1:40:02.479 --> 1:40:06.360
<v Speaker 2>where you could find the tunnels and the entrances to

1:40:06.400 --> 1:40:10.440
<v Speaker 2>the tunnels. And I would say, this is a oh,

1:40:10.479 --> 1:40:12.839
<v Speaker 2>we were right that there is at least one tunnel,

1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and I think is probably positing going towards like a

1:40:17.040 --> 1:40:20.280
<v Speaker 2>proper we were right. Next episode, so there is a cave.

1:40:20.840 --> 1:40:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Ben finds it and it leads to some kind of

1:40:23.800 --> 1:40:26.639
<v Speaker 2>tunnel system. And not only that, but someone's been living

1:40:26.680 --> 1:40:30.799
<v Speaker 2>there eating small animals. How did they find those animals?

1:40:30.880 --> 1:40:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Maybe these people should be eating them instead of eating humans.

1:40:34.800 --> 1:40:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Just an idea, but basically that animal bones are there.

1:40:39.600 --> 1:40:44.040
<v Speaker 2>This is probably where Harvey survived his time in the wilderness.

1:40:45.200 --> 1:40:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Maybe let's just strow it out there because yellowjackers. Look,

1:40:48.360 --> 1:40:50.639
<v Speaker 2>maybe the bones are there for witchcraft. Maybe a witch

1:40:50.680 --> 1:40:51.160
<v Speaker 2>lives there.

1:40:53.840 --> 1:40:57.280
<v Speaker 1>It kind of seems to me like there's chickens in

1:40:57.320 --> 1:40:58.040
<v Speaker 1>them that are wood.

1:40:58.080 --> 1:40:59.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that looks like.

1:41:02.040 --> 1:41:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Where's the food. There's food.

1:41:04.680 --> 1:41:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe there's food in the tunnels. Maybe there's a little

1:41:07.280 --> 1:41:11.200
<v Speaker 2>underground farm. Maybe there's some chickens be living down there,

1:41:11.240 --> 1:41:11.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, like.

1:41:13.560 --> 1:41:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Underground farm is very interesting.

1:41:15.439 --> 1:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I have seen some other really cool theories.

1:41:18.040 --> 1:41:20.160
<v Speaker 2>I think in our discord, this one's popped up a lot.

1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:23.479
<v Speaker 2>The idea that perhaps the person who has been living

1:41:23.520 --> 1:41:27.320
<v Speaker 2>in there and is nighttime Tie who maybe was the

1:41:27.320 --> 1:41:30.040
<v Speaker 2>one who was protecting Harvey and was his friend and

1:41:30.360 --> 1:41:34.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, claimed that she didn't want him to go back, which,

1:41:34.680 --> 1:41:37.720
<v Speaker 2>let's be real, we find out now very right how

1:41:37.800 --> 1:41:40.920
<v Speaker 2>they should not have gone back. Yes, bad times all around,

1:41:41.040 --> 1:41:43.479
<v Speaker 2>because Harvey catches up with Nat on the frozen river

1:41:43.960 --> 1:41:45.680
<v Speaker 2>and he tells her I'm gonna take you to my

1:41:45.720 --> 1:41:49.120
<v Speaker 2>secret hiding place to help you survive this insane hunting party.

1:41:49.800 --> 1:41:54.080
<v Speaker 2>But as it is, wont to do, the wilderness chooses

1:41:54.800 --> 1:41:58.080
<v Speaker 2>and the night the ice breaks and Harvey falls in.

1:41:58.760 --> 1:42:01.120
<v Speaker 2>At first, because Natalie is a nice human being, I

1:42:01.160 --> 1:42:04.800
<v Speaker 2>do truly believe that she tries to save him, but

1:42:04.840 --> 1:42:08.080
<v Speaker 2>as the other girls catch up, Misty kneels down and

1:42:08.280 --> 1:42:11.160
<v Speaker 2>whispers to her, if you save Harvey, they will eat you.

1:42:13.200 --> 1:42:16.519
<v Speaker 2>Another life saved by Misty kind of like not really,

1:42:16.600 --> 1:42:20.120
<v Speaker 2>but kind of because if she didn't, like Nat would

1:42:20.120 --> 1:42:25.599
<v Speaker 2>be dead. But sadly, Harvey still dies, and it's really

1:42:25.640 --> 1:42:29.479
<v Speaker 2>grim because we have to watch him drown and Nat

1:42:29.520 --> 1:42:32.880
<v Speaker 2>has to watch him drown, and we definitely understand. I

1:42:32.960 --> 1:42:37.080
<v Speaker 2>feel like that is the choice that Natalie made in

1:42:37.120 --> 1:42:39.960
<v Speaker 2>her life. She often talks about she didn't deserve to survive.

1:42:40.120 --> 1:42:42.439
<v Speaker 2>They she did think she was ashamed of she wished

1:42:42.960 --> 1:42:45.360
<v Speaker 2>that she could go back, and that I think is

1:42:45.439 --> 1:42:48.000
<v Speaker 2>that that's that moment where she lets somebody die so

1:42:48.080 --> 1:42:52.679
<v Speaker 2>that she could survive. And it's in a really horrific way.

1:42:54.960 --> 1:42:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I am back all the way around to this show

1:42:57.680 --> 1:43:02.120
<v Speaker 1>could now be completely not I think so too. I

1:43:02.160 --> 1:43:05.320
<v Speaker 1>think there could. I think there could. I think the

1:43:05.360 --> 1:43:14.439
<v Speaker 1>results of trauma, starvation, intense emotional tenor could have. First

1:43:14.439 --> 1:43:20.040
<v Speaker 1>of all, it did absolutely result in numerous, like parallel

1:43:20.080 --> 1:43:24.960
<v Speaker 1>hallucinations that did and did not intersect with other hallucinations

1:43:25.000 --> 1:43:28.519
<v Speaker 1>that were going on. And I think that there is

1:43:28.560 --> 1:43:31.639
<v Speaker 1>a real chance that all the stuff they think happened

1:43:31.840 --> 1:43:35.040
<v Speaker 1>only happened pieces didn't happen all the way. No one

1:43:35.080 --> 1:43:35.679
<v Speaker 1>has the full.

1:43:35.560 --> 1:43:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Piece that would be explained by Seanna saying it wasn't

1:43:37.800 --> 1:43:39.960
<v Speaker 2>real because she doesn't remember it that way.

1:43:40.200 --> 1:43:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she doesn't remember it. And in order for

1:43:43.439 --> 1:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>them to make sense of it all, they have come

1:43:47.240 --> 1:43:50.960
<v Speaker 1>up with this framing the wilderness.

1:43:50.080 --> 1:43:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Exactly and we and that's how the episode ends. They

1:43:53.439 --> 1:43:57.120
<v Speaker 2>don't want to deal with the fact that they let

1:43:57.400 --> 1:44:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Hobby die after they don't you just go on and back,

1:44:01.120 --> 1:44:04.559
<v Speaker 2>so Van Declare's you know, the wilderness chose and that's it.

1:44:04.640 --> 1:44:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Harvey will be the next meal. Of course, how Travis

1:44:07.280 --> 1:44:10.800
<v Speaker 2>will feel about that is a whole different situation, but

1:44:10.840 --> 1:44:13.360
<v Speaker 2>we know that him and Natalie stayed in contact as adults,

1:44:13.400 --> 1:44:16.519
<v Speaker 2>so I'm sure there's probably a story there, just another

1:44:16.680 --> 1:44:21.559
<v Speaker 2>absolute bummer fucking ending the last three episodes of Really,

1:44:22.040 --> 1:44:23.840
<v Speaker 2>They'll just fucking destroy you.

1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:27.559
<v Speaker 1>So tell me why you think it's possible that this

1:44:27.880 --> 1:44:30.400
<v Speaker 1>show could be not supernatural.

1:44:30.640 --> 1:44:36.559
<v Speaker 2>I think that the closer we get, I think there

1:44:36.600 --> 1:44:43.200
<v Speaker 2>are multiple different things that could in that situation seem supernatural,

1:44:43.240 --> 1:44:47.559
<v Speaker 2>like Lotti's visions, which we know are likely part of

1:44:47.600 --> 1:44:53.200
<v Speaker 2>her having mental health struggles. Those began this kind of

1:44:54.600 --> 1:44:57.720
<v Speaker 2>journey of the group into believing, well, i'd say more

1:44:57.720 --> 1:45:00.280
<v Speaker 2>of a spiral actually, that there was something super natural

1:45:00.320 --> 1:45:03.680
<v Speaker 2>going on, Tie sleepwalking, something else that can absolutely be

1:45:03.720 --> 1:45:07.680
<v Speaker 2>explained away in a non supernatural sense, but in that

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<v Speaker 2>space of being in the wilderness, being disconnected from reality,

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<v Speaker 2>not eating, it takes on this whole other meaning. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there are multiple coincidences than and Tie being out and

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<v Speaker 2>finding Harvey. That doesn't have to be supernatural. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>that there's not a very big space, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>coming out of the tree, you know, things Like we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this before, it's very likely that Lotti or

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<v Speaker 2>Tie in a sleepwalking mode, was the one who put

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<v Speaker 2>the symbols around and instead it's about building a narrative

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<v Speaker 2>that fits to explain away the things that they had

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<v Speaker 2>to do. We did say in the episode where they

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<v Speaker 2>ate Jackie, the first cannibalism episode, I felt like the

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<v Speaker 2>photography was so intentional. It was so supposed to bring

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<v Speaker 2>us into this mindset that the wilderness baked Jackie properly.

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<v Speaker 2>It presented her fully cooked, but we don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if that's really what happened. I really wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>surprised if we saw a different version where Van and

1:46:05.640 --> 1:46:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Tye went out there and they packed the snow and

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<v Speaker 2>they cooked her.

1:46:09.160 --> 1:46:09.400
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there's very interesting, unreliable narrator kind of

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<v Speaker 2>situations occurring, and I think that Lottie fully committing to

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of cult leader aspect of herself, which she

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<v Speaker 2>has not done, like this intentional community. We've made a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of jokes about how it's a cult, and but

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like she has been pushing away from that

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to do something positive for people, And the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that she now is saying, hey, let's just one

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<v Speaker 2>of us just kill ourselves. I think that is a

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<v Speaker 2>that's a psychotic break that she is suffering from more

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<v Speaker 2>than I think, especially, like I said, the illogical nature

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<v Speaker 2>of well, why isn't Travis the good enough sacrifice? Didn't

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<v Speaker 2>didn't the Wilderness choose Adam when Shauna killed him? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not adding up. And it's really funny because last

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<v Speaker 2>episode I was like, it's a fairy show, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>into it, like it's fairies. But now I'm yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm into it, it's fairies, it's supernatural. Somebody

1:47:07.800 --> 1:47:10.160
<v Speaker 2>pointed out True Blood was about fairies, Like why not?

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<v Speaker 2>But now I'm actually thinking, especially, imagine how horrific it

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<v Speaker 2>will be if Coach Ben doesn't do what we expect

1:47:16.760 --> 1:47:19.960
<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't just hide down there himself. Imagine how

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<v Speaker 2>terrible it will be if he leads them down there

1:47:21.920 --> 1:47:24.639
<v Speaker 2>after they've killed Harvey and they find food, or they

1:47:24.680 --> 1:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>find animals, or they find whoever lived in the cabin before.

1:47:28.240 --> 1:47:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they'd made that into some kind of stock storage space,

1:47:31.880 --> 1:47:34.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, as people were doing caverns and caves. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there's dried meats down there and they have to come

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<v Speaker 2>to the realization that this is a choice they made.

1:47:40.920 --> 1:47:43.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that could really be a harrowing way to

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<v Speaker 2>end the season, and harrowing has been one of the

1:47:45.760 --> 1:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>big watchwords for this season, so I think the non

1:47:49.000 --> 1:47:53.120
<v Speaker 2>supernatural element is and also very clever way to potentially

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<v Speaker 2>end the season, even if you know they've I think

1:47:55.320 --> 1:47:57.400
<v Speaker 2>they've said this is a five season plan is what

1:47:57.439 --> 1:47:59.680
<v Speaker 2>they have for it, and who knows when more see

1:47:59.680 --> 1:48:04.160
<v Speaker 2>season because they're on strike. But it's very interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of end in quite a final this isn't supernatural

1:48:08.439 --> 1:48:11.599
<v Speaker 2>way potentially, and then also then you have season three

1:48:11.640 --> 1:48:13.599
<v Speaker 2>to blow that up or to go along with it

1:48:13.720 --> 1:48:16.000
<v Speaker 2>or whatever else. I think it would be very interesting

1:48:16.080 --> 1:48:18.640
<v Speaker 2>to have a show that is just really ingrained in

1:48:18.640 --> 1:48:21.719
<v Speaker 2>this idea of how trauma can affect us. But we'll

1:48:21.720 --> 1:48:24.960
<v Speaker 2>have to see next week because next week is Succession

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<v Speaker 2>finale and Yellow Jackets finale, and for those who are watching,

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<v Speaker 2>though we haven't been able to cover it, the Barry finale,

1:48:30.960 --> 1:48:33.760
<v Speaker 2>so they're really they're coming in strong.

1:48:35.920 --> 1:48:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Quite strong, and quite It's it's a bummer, it's like

1:48:39.960 --> 1:48:40.599
<v Speaker 1>a bummer pull.

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<v Speaker 2>We are getting intense every day. Sunday is like the

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<v Speaker 2>most fun. It's meant to be very razing, but we

1:48:46.479 --> 1:48:50.519
<v Speaker 2>are getting fucking the most intense programming in a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well up next, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In today's ned out way, you tell us what

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<v Speaker 2>you love them? Why oh a theory you're excited to share.

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<v Speaker 2>Maya Pictures us on Gamma del Toro's mech masterpiece, Pacific Grim.

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe it's a masterpiece. I absolutely love this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I also love the sequel starring John Boyega. Hi Jason,

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<v Speaker 2>Hi ROSI. My name is Maya.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a longtime xtraory Vision listener. I could listen to

1:49:20.280 --> 1:49:22.360
<v Speaker 4>you guys talk about anything you want all the time,

1:49:22.479 --> 1:49:24.800
<v Speaker 4>even for like things that I've not really tuned in for.

1:49:25.240 --> 1:49:26.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm always there you guys, bright onw my.

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<v Speaker 2>Week all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>So for minord out, I want to talk about twenty

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<v Speaker 4>thirteen's Pacific Rim from Germo del Toro. Did not realize

1:49:34.680 --> 1:49:37.000
<v Speaker 4>we were coming up on the tenth anniversary of it,

1:49:37.600 --> 1:49:39.760
<v Speaker 4>but it hit made a formative time in my life.

1:49:39.760 --> 1:49:42.960
<v Speaker 4>I was working at a movie theater in between semesters

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<v Speaker 4>for the summer we're all excited about this movie about

1:49:45.720 --> 1:49:48.800
<v Speaker 4>giant robots and giant kaiju. First of all, I love

1:49:48.920 --> 1:49:52.519
<v Speaker 4>monster making so like the concept and the visuals of

1:49:52.560 --> 1:49:55.720
<v Speaker 4>the monsters are ridiculously I love them, the big crop one,

1:49:55.720 --> 1:50:00.280
<v Speaker 4>the Hammerhead one, even the little baby one. Still what

1:50:00.400 --> 1:50:04.000
<v Speaker 4>plushes of all of them. I think that Also the

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<v Speaker 4>reason I love this movie so much is the concept

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<v Speaker 4>of drift compatibility, which I think is one of the

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<v Speaker 4>coolest sci fi concepts of the last like ten years

1:50:10.720 --> 1:50:13.960
<v Speaker 4>of movie making. I've probably like spent too many dates

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<v Speaker 4>talking about it. But the fact that you can only

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<v Speaker 4>pilot these giant robots by sharing the neural load with

1:50:19.479 --> 1:50:25.600
<v Speaker 4>another person rather it be like familial platonic romantic like

1:50:25.640 --> 1:50:27.320
<v Speaker 4>the fact that you have to have that connection to

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<v Speaker 4>share the load is really beautiful. I think this movie

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<v Speaker 4>talks a lot about human connection and having faith in

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<v Speaker 4>each other and how we can achieve things. And as

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<v Speaker 4>someone who doesn't always see the good in everyone, I

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<v Speaker 4>think that's why I love.

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<v Speaker 2>This movie so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Not to mention the fact that the scores by Rahman

1:50:43.080 --> 1:50:45.800
<v Speaker 4>Dijwadi I hope pronounced that right, who also produced the

1:50:45.840 --> 1:50:48.160
<v Speaker 4>Game of Throne score, West World Score if I ever

1:50:48.240 --> 1:50:50.879
<v Speaker 4>need to get shit done, I'm playing that full blast,

1:50:51.000 --> 1:50:55.280
<v Speaker 4>especially the theme song A great cast, Jacks Teller, Ak,

1:50:55.439 --> 1:50:57.280
<v Speaker 4>Charlie Hunnam at the height of a sense of anarchy

1:50:57.280 --> 1:50:59.240
<v Speaker 4>phase Rinku Koncucci.

1:51:00.040 --> 1:51:01.320
<v Speaker 2>On Peerlman, Charley Day.

1:51:01.560 --> 1:51:04.000
<v Speaker 4>And then it just Elbow giving the we're canceling the

1:51:04.040 --> 1:51:06.720
<v Speaker 4>Apocalypse speech, like what more can you want from your

1:51:06.760 --> 1:51:10.360
<v Speaker 4>sci fi movie? I'm not gonna mention this sequel, even

1:51:10.360 --> 1:51:11.480
<v Speaker 4>though I was excited.

1:51:11.120 --> 1:51:12.800
<v Speaker 2>To see the drum player was in it. But we're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna mention it.

1:51:13.680 --> 1:51:16.040
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I just I want everyone to watch the movie,

1:51:16.040 --> 1:51:16.800
<v Speaker 4>rewatch the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it needs so much more love. Thanks, Thanks Maya.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have theories or passions you want to share,

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<v Speaker 2>hit us up at x ray at crookeet dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Instructions in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's it for us, Rosie anything the plug, Plug,

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<v Speaker 1>Plug Plug Pum.

1:51:31.920 --> 1:51:35.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna plug a TV show on Amazon freeb called Primo.

1:51:36.080 --> 1:51:37.920
<v Speaker 2>You can't really plug it because you're on strike, but

1:51:38.000 --> 1:51:42.360
<v Speaker 2>it's really good. It's absolutely delightful. You can watch all

1:51:42.360 --> 1:51:46.160
<v Speaker 2>the episodes now. It's hilarious, it's funny. Jason absolutely put

1:51:46.160 --> 1:51:49.080
<v Speaker 2>a boor garlic reference in there for the Star Wars fans.

1:51:49.600 --> 1:51:53.439
<v Speaker 2>Shay is obviously also like a huge pop culture person,

1:51:53.479 --> 1:51:54.840
<v Speaker 2>so if that's why you listen to us, you will

1:51:54.880 --> 1:51:57.280
<v Speaker 2>love it. But it's really just a great family drama,

1:51:57.320 --> 1:51:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Mike shir you know the iconbine things like Parks and Rex.

1:52:00.080 --> 1:52:04.799
<v Speaker 2>You're early in good hands, absolutely delightful. The Five Uncles

1:52:04.800 --> 1:52:07.160
<v Speaker 2>are miraculous, and you will fall in love and you

1:52:07.160 --> 1:52:09.679
<v Speaker 2>will have a favorite and it's just a wonderful show.

1:52:09.680 --> 1:52:10.600
<v Speaker 2>So you should go and watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Catch the next episode on Friday, May twenty six. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the episode of x ray Vision to catch up

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<v Speaker 1>on some Star Wars, including Star Wars Visions Volume two

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<v Speaker 1>times in our video game Cues against Legend of Ze Tears.

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<v Speaker 2>The way my life has been torn into by those

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<v Speaker 2>two games, Like, I want to play them both at

1:52:37.520 --> 1:52:40.479
<v Speaker 2>the same time, and it is impossible. It is just

1:52:40.600 --> 1:52:42.920
<v Speaker 2>absolutely bond because I'm very excited to talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>because it is I think a far far superior game

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<v Speaker 2>to the original. I'm loving playing it. Yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty three, twenty three market Move for a show that

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<v Speaker 1>has been very Marvel and Star Wars heavy. It's fun

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<v Speaker 1>when a podcast covers something really different. Market Moves is

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<v Speaker 2>Ends in a few ooh.

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<v Speaker 1>D Kendzy twenty three. Xtra Vision is a Crooked Media production.

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<v Speaker 1>The show is produced by Chris Lord and sul Rubin

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, See you next time.