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Speaker 1: Warning. This podcast contained spoilers for season four, episode nine

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Speaker 1: of Succession on HBO and season two episode eight of

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Speaker 1: Yellow Jackets on the Beleagered Showtime Network. Hello. My name

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Speaker 1: is Jason Concepcio and I'm Rosie Knight, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: x revision of the Crooked Media podcast, where we dive

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Speaker 2: In this episode, Market Moves, It's rip to that Man

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Speaker 2: in Succession season four, episode nine, what happens when a

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Speaker 2: than the last two episodes, you're wrong. It's a total

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Speaker 1: Scratch with your hind legs, eat kibble from a bowl,

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Speaker 1: Jerry who was a million years old. Now Mankin is

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Speaker 1: funeral and Ken knows I fucked it.

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Speaker 2: I fucked it.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Oh, you need to know.

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Speaker 1: We're here to We're here to talk about Episode nine,

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Speaker 1: Church and State of the Succession television program, season four,

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Speaker 1: directed by Mark Mylott, written by Jesse Armstrong, and we

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Speaker 1: open on the wake of election Day. New York City

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Speaker 1: and the country in general are in an uproar because

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Speaker 1: of the events of election night. Protests of an increasingly

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Speaker 1: hysterical nature are everywhere in the city, focused primarily on

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Speaker 1: atn HQ. Tom wams Gans is under a particular scrutiny

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Speaker 1: because he is the guy who made the call. There's

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Speaker 1: a TikTok story in New York and the New York Times,

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Speaker 1: and how it happened and who did what. Meanwhile, preparations

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Speaker 1: are of course underway for the great Man himself Logan

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Speaker 1: Roy's funeral. Roman Roy is practicing his speech for the

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Speaker 1: Big Energy Spot. You will recall the previous episode he

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Speaker 1: had locked down that Big Energy Spot. Well, now he's

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Speaker 1: kind of running through his lines and guess what, he's unworried.

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Speaker 1: He is chilling, he grieved, he's chilling all the stuff

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Speaker 1: in the streets. You know. Carrie's looking great. He's putting

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Speaker 1: He's ready for it. Ken calls and says, hey, Rome, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know your buddy Jared Mencoln, the future president of

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Speaker 1: the United States. Could you get him to turn down

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Speaker 1: up the ops because it is the day of our

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Speaker 1: dad's funeral and uh, you know other stuff. Just get

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Speaker 1: him chill out. Rome is like whatever. Then Ken gets

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Speaker 1: a call from Rava, his ex, and she basically says, hey, Ken,

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Speaker 1: the city's aflame. It's scary out there in these streets,

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Speaker 1: thanks in no small part to you and your family.

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Speaker 1: And so I've decided to take our beautiful children, Sophie

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Speaker 1: and Iverson. Every time I've decided to take our children,

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Speaker 1: Sovie and Iverson out of the city. Ken loses it,

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Speaker 1: drives at high speed across the city in front of

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Speaker 1: V's cars. All types of laws, but you know what

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Speaker 1: Ken Roy Nothing. He gets there just as they're pulling away,

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Speaker 1: and he's like, listen, you can't take my kids out

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Speaker 1: what you want to do? And Ravas says, whatever, I'm leaving.

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Speaker 1: She gets in the car and leaves. First prompts Rosie,

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Speaker 1: I mean, sure, sure, sure.

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Speaker 2: How kids I'll being threatened? How young child might be being.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's kids are threatened by a See, you know, kids

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Speaker 2: Oh, suddenly she wants to go up state. Can't go

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Speaker 2: to racist Ken's racist dad's funeral. I see, seems very coincidental.

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Speaker 2: As Ken says, she's too online, she's dumb. Why does

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Speaker 2: point out that right rather's got the best of both worlds.

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Speaker 2: She's the ex wife of a billionaire, so the anarchists

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Speaker 2: hate her. I mean, what else? What could she want?

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Speaker 2: What more? What's wrong with her?

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Speaker 1: I think it's time for Sophie and Iverson who I'm guessing.

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Speaker 1: my granddad fostered some of the worst impulses currently infecting

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Speaker 1: the national body, and my dad helped elect a raving

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Speaker 1: for the sake of the country, I'm gonna show unity

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Speaker 1: right now, gonna I'm gonna go to this funeral. And

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Speaker 1: I know kids love funeral, they love them.

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Speaker 2: And also there's like five hundred people that you know,

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Speaker 2: they need those extra bodies in the room, like otherwise

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Speaker 2: it's gonna look suspicious. Okay, be prompt. How likely is

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Speaker 2: it that can gets custody?

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Speaker 1: Zero? Zero? I mean, first of all, I yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just because of a few bad apples.

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Speaker 2: Nothing to worry about.

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Speaker 1: That's it nothing to worry about. The fine people of

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Speaker 1: the NYPD will keep them safe. Shive then shive, then

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Speaker 1: shive then prevails on Lucas Matson to release this statement

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Speaker 1: on those pesky Indian numbers. Got to release the statement

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Speaker 1: better time. The country is falling apart. Protesters are in

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Speaker 2: Is it legal?

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Speaker 1: What the hell's going on? Is it legal? Protests, counter protests, fires, riots,

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Speaker 2: She was right?

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Speaker 1: Matson? Meanwhile, is like she was right? Matson. Meanwhile, it

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Speaker 1: was like, Hey, get me in a room with Jared Macon.

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Speaker 1: I am, after all, a very tall, white, blonde man.

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Speaker 1: I think as a Nazi he would look an aria

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Speaker 1: at at and he will understand. Yeah, I think he'll

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Speaker 1: understand I'm someone he can work with and atn Tom

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Speaker 1: is of course dealing with the hectic newsday. Is these

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Speaker 1: And he's also consumed with the fact that in that

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Speaker 2: He's like, hey, if I if I'm if I'm the

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Speaker 2: made the Nazi powerful, I want to get my Gobels money.

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Speaker 2: Where's my where's my credit? I want people to know

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Speaker 2: I am the pr person for the Nazi. I'm only

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Speaker 2: getting a little. I'm getting a little, one sentence in

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Speaker 2: this giant two page spread. That's it. That's it. Why

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Speaker 2: is Darwin getting all the credit?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Fuck Darwin.

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Speaker 2: He didn't even want to do I want.

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Speaker 1: To do it. Also, Tom is the wheelman. I think

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Speaker 1: that means he's got to get out of there, got

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Speaker 1: to get to the church. But of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: things are really again, very very busy at eighteen headquarters. Later,

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Speaker 1: Ken learns that his stalwart assistant since season one, Jess,

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Speaker 1: He gets really petulant about it. And he's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: he's like, hey, so is this about mencing? Why? Just

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Speaker 1: because it is about mancing with your kids, and it

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Speaker 2: He says, you're the fucking your job, dumb great great job,

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Speaker 2: great job. Can well definitely gonna keep Jess around. And honestly,

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Speaker 2: Jess has put up with so much shit I truly

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Speaker 2: A key moment is when she tried to get Greg

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Speaker 2: to not tell them to call it. She was like,

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Speaker 2: he's like, well, someone's got to call it, and she's

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Speaker 2: like and she's like, yeah, they're all fucked, Like Jess is,

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Speaker 2: it's all about menkin and Jess is on her way out,

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Speaker 2: and I think Kendall is starting to realize now it

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Speaker 2: is all about Menkin.

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Speaker 1: That leads us to prompt number two. What is the

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Speaker 1: you don't respect?

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Speaker 2: I would hope in this case it would be lots

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Speaker 2: of money, because the Roys are extremely friach. I would

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Speaker 2: also hope, I hope it is that. I would also

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Speaker 2: hope that Jess had taken advantage of Kendall's ego and

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Speaker 2: his need to be cool to maybe get some stock options.

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Speaker 2: I feel like Jess could be coming out of this

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Speaker 2: in a very profitable way. I also feel like Jess,

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Speaker 2: probably has some quite legit skeletons that she could unbury

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Speaker 2: and powerful man is always fun. So that's a boon.

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Speaker 2: But I would hope for Jess lots and lots of

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Speaker 2: money would be the best thing.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, and of course the access What

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Speaker 1: do you think that the access to ken you know,

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Speaker 1: She shiv pulls Mattson aside and she has an idea

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Speaker 2: I love this speech. I think Ewan came through strong.

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Speaker 2: I think he was, you know, tough but fair on Logan,

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Speaker 2: I do think the biggest impact this speech had was

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Speaker 2: Praying with every fiber of my being that Connor would

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Speaker 1: It's like James Joyce's ulysses like we're not.

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Speaker 2: The time Jason, like, don't you know, like gonna see

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Speaker 2: If you've ever had to deal with the Jared Mankin,

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Speaker 1: You have shown, you have shown.

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Speaker 2: How dare you have an emotion as a as a

431
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: male in this industry. You're in trouble.

432
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: Don't shive next.

433
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: I think you're right. She it was a very revealing speech,

434
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: Like when she kind of kept calling Logan terrifying, I

435
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: think that spoke to how the kids really feel about him.

436
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 2: She tried to go for some of that Kendall like

437
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: recognition of who her father really was. I think if

438
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: she'd have just gotten up there and said the line

439
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: goodbye to my world of a father, that could have

440
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: been a very high ranking power speech, because that really

441
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 2: did speak to like the immensity of Logan. But it's

442
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: a bit too wooly. I think you're right. Hard to pass.

443
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: It's hard for me coming out of this. Kendall is

444
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: probably number one only because he wants to be. He

445
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: will use this to average himself. He got an ovation,

446
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: People were clapping for him. He seemed to balance the

447
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: truth of what Youwan said and managed in that way.

448
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: Kendall is number one because I think you and speech

449
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: was more powerful and I love Youan and I love

450
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 2: to see him out there just chatting mad shit on

451
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: his brother. I was really hoping that was going to happen.

452
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: But the reality is Kendall was able to use that

453
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: speech that broke Roman to leverage himself into a position

454
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 2: of this is my dad. I'm giving this like eulogy forever.

455
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: That will be remembered and people will be like, oh,

456
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: he was a really great orator. He did that off

457
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: the dome, like he didn't even have notes, you know.

458
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: So I think Kendall does end up number one, my

459
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: head canon number one. Connor. I believe if he got

460
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: up then he did twenty five minute speech, everyone would

461
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: be like, oh my God, make him president, Like this

462
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: is it. He changed the way we write speeches. He's

463
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: got us job as a speech writer for Jared Menkin.

464
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: The world would change, but we never saw it. So

465
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: that's my ranking.

466
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: I am gonna go Roman number one because I love

467
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: the genre. I just love drama. You know, it wasn't

468
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: also rely a speech per se, but it was. It's

469
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: very dramatic. It was emotion to revel and it certainly

470
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: is going to be very popular on the social media

471
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: platforms coming up, and I think, you know, anytime I

472
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: get to luxuriate in the heartbreak of another human being,

473
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: I have to do it. That's one of my That's

474
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: one of the things we really really enjoy here on

475
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: Market Moves Number two, I'm gonna go with Connor ghost

476
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: written by Willa, of course, the non foremost speech. I think,

477
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: I think look for Willa to be somewhere up there,

478
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: pretty high up in the communications department for President Mencoln.

479
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: I think, listen, Mencoln likes to likes to say very

480
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: strident and strong things about the country. But like, wouldn't

481
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: it be cool if that was done in a really

482
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: art tistic kind of like non linear way as well?

483
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: Then I'm going to ken like a great Vanilla speech.

484
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: It did what it needed to do. Followed by Shiv,

485
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: who I'm going to put last because you know, where's

486
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: the numbers, where's the facts? Where is the celebration of

487
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: emotion on her dad's strength and vigor? Where were the

488
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: metaphors about like what a what a virile man? He

489
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: was too emotional? You know, ultimately the emotion gods who

490
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: are also a democrat, So I'm putting her lasta Next,

491
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: we go to the cemetery where Logan will lie in

492
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: eternity in a mausoleum built by the CEO of bets.

493
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: Five mil great deal, as Kendall says, a great deal

494
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: for five mail.

495
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: Ken learns that Mattson and Shiv are going to run

496
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: the old American seats play with Lincoln, so he tells Hugo.

497
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: He tells Hugo to to we need to prepare the

498
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: ground for this. I need you to float a news

499
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: item anonymously, of course, that the family, certain members of

500
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: the family are against the Gojo deal because basically because

501
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: the price is too low. And he tells Hugo flat out, listen,

502
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: here's what it is. And I show you my dick.

503
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: I want to kill the deal, and if you want

504
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: to help me, you can. But here's the deal. You're

505
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: not a collaborator. I don't even I don't ever want

506
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: to know what you're thinking, what you're You're a fucking

507
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: yes man. You're a dog. But quote scraps from the

508
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: table will be millions, millions happy, to which Hugo replies,

509
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: wolf word.

510
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: Visius Stevens delivered.

511
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: Glad that delivering and I'm glad that finally you know

512
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: it's out there, that this is what the world is,

513
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: This is how it is. Man a problem with it?

514
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: This is how it is. Man, you had a problem

515
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: with it. What if we pay you, you have a

516
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: problem with it. What if we don't pay you? Either way,

517
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna have a book decide to pay you

518
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: or not. He's still gonna have a problem, and it's

519
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: your problem, not mine. At the reception, Ken corners Colin.

520
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: You'll recall, of course, Colin, the one guard of Logan Roy,

521
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: who was once also Ken's pursuer, because he knew that

522
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: untidy little fact about Ken that he uh, you know,

523
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: he killed.

524
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: Him just accidentally. It was like it wasn't really his fault,

525
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: you know, it was very real.

526
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: He did kill a guy. That guy is no longer alive, right,

527
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: he's dead now, and uh and Colin knows it. And

528
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 1: Colin has been talking to a therapist because he's very,

529
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: very stressed. He of course has this knowledge that Ken has,

530
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, taken a life, and his protector in Logan

531
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: Roy is gone and he's probably out of a job.

532
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: And Ken flexes by letting Colin know, Hey, I know

533
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: you've been seeing a shrink. That's very alarming that you're

534
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: that the son of your boss would know that you're

535
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: seeing a therapist.

536
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: Very threatening, but very very.

537
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: Very threatening, and not a subtle threat at that. But

538
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: Ken then comes, there's the stick, here's the carrot. Come

539
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: work for me, Come talk to me. You want a

540
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: shoulder to cry on, You want to put your feet

541
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: up on a couch, Well you can do that metaphorically

542
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: by driving me around and being my body. Ken then

543
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: approaches Mencin about you know that Gojo deal. You're going

544
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: to kill the Gojo deal, right because we declared that

545
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: you're the president, And MENCN, very troublingly, is suddenly very

546
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: very wishy washy about this deal to kill the Gojo deal.

547
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: And he's also, by the way, clearly enjoying the fact

548
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: that he as president has a relationship with the electorate

549
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: aka at N's audience that maybe Ken doesn't quite have.

550
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: Is oh, I thought you were the sound system. Now

551
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: you want to choose the track? And he also and

552
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: he says, you know about the deal, I've always said

553
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: I'll help. But before they can really get down to

554
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: brass tacks, Greg comes over, and then Connor comes over

555
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: trying to pitching a what wait, what did he pitch

556
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: a Habsburg equivalent for the EU, right, But it's the

557
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: happy It's a happy Burg something or other, which is

558
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: just like okay. And then mencan mocks Roman for crying

559
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: over his father's corpse. And that is the moment where

560
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that Jared feels like he has not

561
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: beholden out to any promise he made to the roy

562
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: family because they showed their belly. Roman showed his throat

563
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: like a little puppy dog, laid down and then and

564
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: then lifted his leg to show that little pink belly

565
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: and his tail is thumping on the ground, and he's

566
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: got maybe a little raw high bone in his mouth,

567
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: and he's saying, President Jerry, will you bet my belly? Yeah?

568
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: And Jared Mankin is disgusted by.

569
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: H He's saying no, as he should. He's like, he

570
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: calls him tiny tears. No. He is making all kinds

571
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: of insults. And I have to say, this is a

572
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: great moment for me because you've had this very interesting

573
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 2: switch in Kendall, which I personally do think was probably

574
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: Jess was the straw that broke the Caramel's back. But

575
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: Kendall comes out of that funeral and he thinks he's

576
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: a killer. He is the killer Logan always wanted him

577
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: to be. He's threatening people, he's getting bodyguards to work

578
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: for him. He's telling Hugo, you're my dog, like Roman

579
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: was my dad's dog. And then he thinks he can

580
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: do that to Jared Mankin thinks one he thought he

581
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: could trust a Nazi stupid. Two he goes over and

582
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: he thinks he's doing something really tough. And then all

583
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: of his annoying male relatives come over and just make

584
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: it look like it just looks like Kendall was trying

585
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: to do what they were doing. Like he just looks

586
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: just as ridiculous as Connor, he looks just as ridiculous

587
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: as Roman, he looks just as ridiculous as Greg. He

588
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: is nobody. And then we get that ultimate, you know,

589
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: big fucking boss move from Shiv that's just so perfectly timed.

590
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, to pull him away. But before that, let's get

591
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: to prompt number four. You saw how MENCN, who is

592
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: a born bully, treats someone who is weaker and less

593
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: powerful than him, or has shown himself to be weaker

594
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: by showing emotion. The kind of emotion that, like say,

595
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: a son might show at the loss of a parent

596
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: day at least is the problem? Number four, people who

597
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: are weaker and less powerful than you. What gives why

598
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: would they do that? What's their problem?

599
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: How could they?

600
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: What's their issue?

601
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: You're telling me you're you're less powerful than a Nazi president.

602
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: Oh so bad. Oh, it must be so hard for you.

603
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: Your dad died and you're crying at his funeral. Give me,

604
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 2: Come on, your dad was abusive to you, and now

605
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: you're crying. He's gone. Over it, he's gone. It's been

606
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: it's been seven days since he's gone it.

607
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: Come on, go over it, Come on, stop it. Take

608
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: your millions and and and take them up and tear

609
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: them into little cleanex pieces and dab your eyes with

610
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: them and get back to work.

611
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and me some money. What do you think this is? Yeah?

612
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: What do you think this is a handout factory? You

613
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: think this is handout? I think this is the You

614
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: think this is like a soup factory. Finally, Shiv pulls,

615
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: making a way to talk to lucas perfectly American CEO.

616
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: You know, American CEO understands the values and it's Shiv

617
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: and then Shiv make sure that she that mencan knows

618
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: that Listen. Whatever my personal political views are, I don't

619
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: give a fuck about him because a ten viewers love you.

620
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: I have no morals. I told a sexual abuse victim

621
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: to just shut up and take a money, Mariam, and

622
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: I'm willing to do that on a massive every day,

623
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: on a nationwide scale, every day. I know that atn's

624
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: viewers love you, and let's face it, we need them,

625
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna give them as much making as

626
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: they can take. What do you say? And Jared mancon

627
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: seems to he seems to buy this, He's fine with it.

628
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: I think he likes the fact that a Democrat would

629
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: bow to him, yes, also a supposed liberally.

630
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: I think he loves that. And I also think in

631
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 2: that moment he respects Shiven mats and don't fuck around.

632
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: They don't try. Ken was doing all this amorphous analogous

633
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 2: like are you gonna help me? When I helped you,

634
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: I butted your bread and now you want to give

635
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: me the jelly Madison and Shiver like, we'll if you

636
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: do a deal with us, we'll just support you for

637
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: like years. But you have to let the deal go first,

638
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: Shiver Madson. Now listen to this business listeners who care

639
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: about business and doing important business deals. They want from

640
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: Menkin something he can give them first. That was the

641
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: big mistake Roman made. They gave Menkin what he wanted immediately.

642
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: If they'd out without any they'd have held out, if

643
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: they'd have even got a recorded a phone call where

644
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Speaker 2: he agreed to it, so they could threaten him with

645
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: prid quid pro quote, and yet they didn't. So Shive

646
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: and Matson, if Menkin helps them push the deal through,

647
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: they will have gotten that and then they can either

648
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: welch or kind of navigate that deal as it comes.

649
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: But Ship's made it clear she doesn't care. She'll support him.

650
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: She'll be wearing a little ATM and you know pro

651
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: Jared Mankin t shot. She's gonna be calling her baby

652
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: Jared as long as she gets that CEO position she's in.

653
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: She's all in.

654
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: Outside in the streets, protests are growing. It's getting a

655
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: bit Tiennemini out there. Tom says to Shive a reference

656
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: to something that happened in history. I forget what it was. Then,

657
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: quite belatedly, he apologizes Shive for not being there, you know,

658
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: for the funeral and for winter dad died and all

659
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: the stuff, and then he says, you know, by the way,

660
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Speaker 1: I was the first person who got to kneel next

661
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: to your dad's dead body and say goodbye, and that

662
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: was a lot and he kind of breaks down a

663
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: little bit, although you don't see the tears, and next thing,

664
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Speaker 1: you know, the on again, off again, weirdo toxic relationship is.

665
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: Especially when Lady Caroline comes over and congratulates them. That's right.

666
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: Uh. Then Shiv gets Carl from Matten. It's a yes,

667
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: he says. Now this brings us to prompt number five

668
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: and potentially the biggest prompt of the show's history. It's

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00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: a yes from Mencin. It's a yes from the board.

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00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: What is the yes? Who is the yes?

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00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: I think, using all my business acumen that I have

672
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 2: gained over many years of being a rich business person,

673
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: I believe it's Mencin. Because Ken is still very much

674
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: trying to control the narrative of the board, and we

675
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: know that Hiv has not approached Frank, Shiv has not

676
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: approached Karl. Shiv has not been playing the Hugo game.

677
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: The board aspect is what Ken is trying to play.

678
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: I think Jered was very impressed with their little pitch.

679
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: She likes the idea. He can see the way that

680
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: the tide is turning aka Kendall and Roman of the

681
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: Useless Brothers, which many of us knew, and she is

682
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: now ready to make this deal with the devil. He

683
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: gets a you know, a white woman to stand in

684
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: this place. He can say it's an inclusive, open, democratic space.

685
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: I mean, she worked, she worked for stunt double Bernie Sanders.

686
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: She she can, she can have it all because she's

687
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: a woman exactly.

688
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: And I think that Matt's she's gonna lean in, She'll

689
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: she'll call us out. It's gonna it's she's gonna hold

690
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: us accountable.

691
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: This is her fight song.

692
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: And I think Jared's people very quickly called Matson and

693
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: said absolutely, that's a better plan. And also, let's be real,

694
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: I think that old you know, Alexander scarsguard Matson. I

695
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: think he was right. I think Jared probably liked seeing

696
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: a weird, six foot five Aryan guy saying I'll do

697
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: whatever you want. There's multiple airs to this, but I

698
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: believe it was I believe it was.

699
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: Mancan I think that I think the pitch too about

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00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: tech and social and the fact that Gojo understands that

701
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: world in a way that you know, people who have

702
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: been involved with cable news for the last several decades

703
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: don't really understand it. That's that's a growth industry, you know,

704
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: as matts And himself has said, cable news, you know

705
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: atm that's for you know, sixty and seven year old

706
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: angry retireing is like, this is not a growth business.

707
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: And I think his pitch that hey, we know social,

708
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: like that's a place for you to have international reach,

709
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: not just not just reach within this country, but growing

710
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: international and cultural reach. And I think that was a

711
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: big deal. I think that really I think that turned

712
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: his head. Yeah. So yeah, I think it is menk

713
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: and who gave the s Ken and Rome ship of

714
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: taking this call and glowing across the room. Uh. And

715
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: Ken is like like, I think we're in trouble with Mencin.

716
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: I think we need to fix this in Romans like, no,

717
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: what Mencon would not stand me? Why why would he

718
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: trust totray me? He's a trustworthy got Me and him

719
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: we're tight. It was so tight. What are you talking about?

720
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: And Ken is like that's I'm sorry, but I think

721
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: that's happening. And then he says, and you want to

722
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: know why it's happening, although he doesn't really make the

723
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: connection that that concrete, but he basically says, you know, well,

724
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: it's you know, you did fuck it up, you know,

725
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: the funeral speech. You did lose your shit, You fucked it,

726
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: you fucked it with Jared. And Roman knows it's true.

727
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: It's true, he knows. And then Ken says, you know,

728
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: we have to get real and fight Ship at the board.

729
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: And of course Ken has a plan, and he needs Roman,

730
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: much like Hugo, to.

731
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: Be's li little dog and.

732
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: The little dog carrier and to help him fetch papers

733
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: and fetch his slippers and and lie quietly at the

734
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: foot of his chair. Meanwhile, video of Roman's lack remost

735
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: speech is already circulating the internets. Is as they say,

736
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, boosted by the Gojo algorithm. I'm sure, and

737
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: it's not great. You know, Carl and Frank are watching it.

738
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: Jerry's there, and you know, of course, Jerry and Frank

739
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: because they are you know, more or less decent human beings,

740
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: are like, oh, we shouldn't be watching this. Carlo is like, oh,

741
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: but but it's out there. We got to watch it.

742
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: We should we have to watch Roman in despair brought

743
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: to his lowest point from his highest point. You know,

744
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: earlier in the day he was about riding as high

745
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: as as any Roy could possibly be. And now he's

746
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: essentially finished it. He's he's, in his brother's words, absolutely

747
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: fucked it. The video of him weeping is circulating the globe.

748
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: Dick pics, uh, you know are soon to follow. I'm

749
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: sure to be out there. And Roman in despair goes

750
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: out to see the protests. He sees the protesters running

751
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: down the street and he starts braiding them, and then

752
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: he jumps over the the police fence that separates them

753
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: from the crowd, and he starts braiding them again. And

754
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: next thing you know, Roman is beaten and bloody on

755
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: the pavement.

756
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: Okay, final prompt. How long has it been since Roman

757
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: got punched? Because I feel like he's someone who hasn't

758
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: been punched enough, and I feel like this was like

759
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: maybe the first time he took a punch that wasn't

760
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: from his dad.

761
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, not counting from any of his siblings. I'm gonna

762
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: say that what is Roman Roy probably like thirty seven

763
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: or thirty eight I am gonna guess that he has

764
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: not been slugged for twenty years. I agree, I agree. Yeah,

765
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: let's go down the Roy family. When's the last time

766
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: that Ken has been punched?

767
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: I think Ken has been punched in the last like

768
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: two years at least, because remember, he's going out, he's

769
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: like smoking crack, he's getting into Shenanigans, he's going to

770
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: a bar, he's he's hanging out with people who probably

771
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: get sick of his ship a lot quicker than the

772
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: rest of them. So he's probably taken more more hits

773
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: than I feel like Rome has been relatively condil aside

774
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 2: from the Charlt abuse.

775
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: I think that's right. And and of course Ken did

776
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: take a pretty pretty hard hit when his forehead hit

777
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: the steering wheel of the car that the young man

778
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: that he killed, Yes, died in Conroy. When's the last

779
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: time Connor now he may have he I think he

780
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: might have secret Service protection now. So it's certainly I

781
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: knew like Connorlander.

782
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: Maybe I knew like Conna probably could talk his way

783
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: out of many situations, not because he's particularly good at it,

784
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: but because you would just get bored. You'd be like,

785
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: please stop talking. I'm not even gonna get into this.

786
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: He's also very tall, so I think Connor I think

787
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: he might be running in along not punched. Also, we

788
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: do get an interesting insight into the secret closeness that

789
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: Connor had to Logan this episode. That hints to me

790
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: he also probably never even got a slap from Logan

791
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: because he was the only one who knew about the

792
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: He was the only one who knew the Pets dot

793
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: Com CEO Mausoleum existed. It's like the only real child.

794
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: Because he wasn't seen as a business threat, Logan almost

795
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: just let him in on the ridiculous shit that he

796
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: was up to.

797
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that I think that was clearly the case where

798
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: Logan was like, here's something that you can handle. Will

799
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: you close this deal? From my mother?

800
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: Also final grim power play by Logan because the Mausoleum

801
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: did have space for the family.

802
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: He was like, you going me, you know you can

803
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: enjoy it. And then finally Shivroy.

804
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: I hate to think about it, but I reckon she's

805
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: almost as recent as Kendall. She her relationship with Tom

806
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: is very bad. I I won't I won't allege that

807
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: Tom is a wife beat up. I believe ship has

808
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: gotten herself into some very bad relationships, and she also

809
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: chats a lot of shit, and as we say in England,

810
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: chatshit get banged. So I'm sure she's had problems. I

811
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: believe it's a problem.

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00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a trick question, because a

813
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: couple of episodes ago, of course, Tom did flick her

814
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: your lobes, saying that they were thick like barnacle.

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00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: One of the best insult. Gonna count it one of

816
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: the best insult.

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00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,640
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Speaker 5: He seems smart.

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Speaker 3: He's a smarter ruth.

858
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Speaker 7: Nobody seems all that charismatic. Like it was that speech

859
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Speaker 7: on election night where he was it's a little didn't

860
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Speaker 7: it didn't move you? Hearing about the purity of the

861
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Speaker 7: American American fascism is very like Donald Trump's true Yeah, yeah,

862
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Speaker 7: Like I feel like.

863
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Speaker 5: Jared Makin's brand.

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Speaker 6: There is a little I have listened, unfortunately to a

865
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Speaker 6: lot of far right YouTubers and a lot like his

866
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Speaker 6: sighting of like Thomas Aquinas and Saint Augustine. That's like

867
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Speaker 6: very like Mike Cernovich, like Robert Spencer and anyway, this

868
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Speaker 6: is not us exactly bringing the pod to the life.

869
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Speaker 2: Well, he he definitely does feel like somebody that Esquire

870
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: would have interviewed in twenty sixteen and called like an

871
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Speaker 2: interesting alt right figurehead.

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Speaker 5: Right, He's a fire he's a fire.

873
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Speaker 2: Brain he's dressed stylish for you guys.

874
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Speaker 5: He throws a bomb throwers.

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Speaker 1: The complex message of Jared Mancin.

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Speaker 3: What was that line in the Times the cool Kids Philosopher?

877
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Speaker 3: They say Shapiro. Yeah, yeah, I think there's a touch

878
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Speaker 3: of Ben Shapiro in there.

879
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Speaker 1: Max, How would how would Maggie Haperman cover making.

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Speaker 3: No comment? Okay, but but it's.

881
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Speaker 1: It seems like, you know, Macancon.

882
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Speaker 6: Would be calling Maggie every seven would be just all

883
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Speaker 6: You would not be able to walk past Maggie's cubicle

884
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Speaker 6: without saying it should be on the phone.

885
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Speaker 3: You'd be like, oh, it's mancan, isn't it?

886
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Speaker 6: And he would just be off floating some like crazy

887
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Speaker 6: in her gossip that she would then put into the newspaper.

888
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an interesting moment in this latest episode where

889
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Speaker 1: Ken tells Rava that she's too online, too online, I

890
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Speaker 1: guess because she cares about her kids, which I've always

891
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Speaker 1: thought of as a weakness.

892
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Speaker 2: Definitely.

893
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Speaker 1: Yeah, your thoughts on Rava being too online or the

894
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Speaker 1: criticism in general of being too online?

895
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's funny because I think too online is the

896
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Speaker 7: type of criticism you level towards someone when they're it's

897
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Speaker 7: meant to say that you're not really in touch with reality, right,

898
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Speaker 7: that your reality is just the Twitter conversation, right. And

899
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Speaker 7: what's funny about Kendall using it is he's so far

900
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Speaker 7: removed from reality. I mean, the whole all of them

901
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 7: are every season, right, and it's like this is that

902
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Speaker 7: episode was the first time we've seen sort of the

903
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Speaker 7: real world effects of the shit they've been pulling, right,

904
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Speaker 7: happening all around them. So it is very funny that

905
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Speaker 7: he accuses his ex wife of being two online.

906
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Speaker 6: It Actually it reminded me of like late twenty sixteen

907
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 6: when Trump was, you know, both nearing and then had

908
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Speaker 6: won the election, where I feel like a lot of

909
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 6: people were telling the I was too online because it'd

910
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Speaker 6: be like, hey, when this happens in other countries, like

911
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Speaker 6: here are the things that happens, and here's how it goes.

912
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 6: And everybody's like, oh, you're being hysterical, and like, what

913
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Speaker 6: was the line take take him.

914
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Speaker 7: Literally and serious seriously? Yeah, Selena Ziito, thank you, Yeah,

915
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Speaker 7: but there was. It also reminded me of the period

916
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Speaker 7: between the election and the insurrection. How can we forget

917
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Speaker 7: about that when everyone was like, oh, just humor Trump,

918
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Speaker 7: He's gonna he's gonna do this for a little bit

919
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Speaker 7: and then he's gonna golf.

920
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Speaker 5: He's gonna leave. He's going to leave the White House.

921
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Speaker 5: What are you all worried about? He's going to leave.

922
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Speaker 6: It's amazing how many moments from the last five years

923
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 6: you will see resonance in the show. And I have

924
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Speaker 6: to say, I really think that this show has done

925
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 6: better than any show, better than really any piece of

926
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Speaker 6: entertainment art. Like the job it has done at capturing

927
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 6: what it feels like to be America under this like era,

928
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 6: when democracy feels like it's crumbling around us. It's like

929
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Speaker 6: really incredible, And like I spent years at the times

930
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Speaker 6: trying to convey basically exactly what this show is conveyed

931
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 6: in like nine very crisp, entertaining hours, and it like

932
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 6: really makes me kind of mad.

933
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Speaker 3: They did a good job.

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Speaker 6: They did an amazing they're like the way that they

935
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Speaker 6: cover like institutions and how power broke. I was talking

936
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Speaker 6: to a friend of mine who works in a field

937
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Speaker 6: that it's euphemistically called election integrity, which means all of

938
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Speaker 6: the people who were like, yeah, it's a little scary,

939
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Speaker 6: the like poll watchers and all the like democracy watchdog

940
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Speaker 6: groups and activist groups and people in state governments. And

941
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Speaker 6: I was like, what do folks in your world think

942
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 6: of successions treatment of things like election theft and disinformation

943
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Speaker 6: or all the things that are coming up in the show.

944
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Speaker 6: And she sent me the Leo pointing meme and she

945
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Speaker 6: was like, everybody's just like they nailed it, Like we

946
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Speaker 6: cannot believe how effectively they did, a lot of them

947
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Speaker 6: have actually consulted on the show too.

948
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Speaker 2: Would you say, speaking of reality, how realistic was the

949
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Speaker 2: Roy's election party?

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Speaker 7: You know, I will say on the elect they've done

951
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 7: a very good job of making every political scenario quite

952
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Speaker 7: realistic that party. I don't know that the Democratic nominee

953
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Speaker 7: staff would be at the Fox News Eles party that

954
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Speaker 7: seems at.

955
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Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think Nate would really would

956
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Speaker 5: be there.

957
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Speaker 6: I do One thing that the party captured well, I

958
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Speaker 6: thought was the sense that all of this is happening

959
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Speaker 6: in closed rooms with all of these people, this very

960
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Speaker 6: small number of people who are all maneuvering with like

961
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Speaker 6: very little mind for the consequences of what happens. And

962
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Speaker 6: I think you're right that this last episode was the

963
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Speaker 6: first time that the consequences were starting to impose themselves

964
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Speaker 6: on the characters who have been have been causing this

965
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Speaker 6: for the last four seasons.

966
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Speaker 7: But it does capture something that happens a lot in DC,

967
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Speaker 7: which is, you know, Republicans and Democrats who will be

968
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 7: screaming at each other on TV or in the halls

969
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Speaker 7: of Congress suddenly find themselves at a cocktail party together.

970
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Speaker 7: They're just like, hey, yeah, we're friends, We're fine.

971
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Speaker 3: We really missed that, Yeah, desperately miss that's right.

972
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Speaker 7: I went back for the correspondence di inner weekend and

973
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Speaker 7: left a day early.

974
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Speaker 1: Yes, in the past two episodes, we've seen this attempt

975
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Speaker 1: by the Roy's brilliant attempt I think to leverage, you know,

976
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Speaker 1: the leverage Democracy leveraged the country in order to get

977
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Speaker 1: this Gojo deal killed. How often does horse trading, you know,

978
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Speaker 1: not of this brilliant magnitude where you're like, I'm going

979
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Speaker 1: to sell out the country level in order to get

980
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Speaker 1: control of my father's company. Like that's great, but how often,

981
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: how how realistic did you find that kind of horse trading?

982
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Speaker 7: I would say that before the Trump presidency, I would

983
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Speaker 7: have said, I don't know.

984
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Speaker 5: That it's that.

985
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 7: Right, Like maybe it's a little more subtle, but with

986
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 7: all the story, you know, Trump's like handing out pardons

987
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 7: and Rudy's gonna like split the two million dollars with him,

988
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 7: and like Jared's doing a deal with the Saudis. Like

989
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 7: it's pretty it seems pretty realistic.

990
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Speaker 3: It's getting Yeah, it's there to the deal man.

991
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

992
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 7: And especially like the conversations between that we all saw

993
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 7: after the Fox defamation suit between like Fox executives and

994
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 7: like high ranking Republicans like that, that is pretty that

995
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 7: is pretty real.

996
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 6: So when you were in the Obama White House with

997
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 6: the MSNBC executives, call you who were they calling to?

998
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: Okay?

999
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 7: Sure, and I would just put a bag of cash outside.

1000
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 3: My office with a big dollar sign.

1001
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 7: Yeah in the back, and then I would then, you know,

1002
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Speaker 7: then should air my whatever I want to go on

1003
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Speaker 7: whenever I want.

1004
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Speaker 5: It would be great.

1005
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Speaker 2: So talking about like important, you know, realities of the

1006
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: day to day, where do you stand on sending blood

1007
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: to your coworkers?

1008
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 6: Can I actually tell you, guys a story about getting

1009
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 6: recruited to crooked media is a few months ago and

1010
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 6: I got there was no bags of blood, but I

1011
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 6: got this call from John, who I knew a little bit,

1012
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 6: and I picked up the phonies to the John Favreau

1013
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 6: and he said, you know, Max, life isn't nice.

1014
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: It's contingent. People who say they love you also fuck me.

1015
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 6: So this is an explicit plan to fuck the pod

1016
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 6: me rule the world.

1017
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 3: And you can come, but it won't be a collaboration.

1018
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 6: You'll be my dog, but the scraps from the table

1019
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 6: will be millions, millions.

1020
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 5: And here he is.

1021
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Speaker 6: He was referring to downloads, not dollars. But I thought

1022
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Speaker 6: I'd a pretty good offer.

1023
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Speaker 5: He is.

1024
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Speaker 7: I will say that when we first started Cricket Media,

1025
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Speaker 7: we used a random lawyer in Silicon Valley to start

1026
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Speaker 7: doing some of our contracts with hosts for the first

1027
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 7: couple hosts, and you could tell that these were not

1028
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 7: standard entertainment contracts because I I think that we accidentally

1029
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 7: asked Ann Marie Cox to like sign over her the

1030
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Speaker 7: rights to her DNA. There was like some kind of

1031
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Speaker 7: a weird standard like like bio bio startup contract.

1032
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is like this. She's like, I don't think

1033
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 5: I should this. We're like, you know what we actually

1034
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 5: do not want?

1035
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: That?

1036
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Speaker 6: Is that what all those cloning booths are for in

1037
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 6: the back room. I was runnering it was in these

1038
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 6: giant tubs of good.

1039
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 5: This is this is our version of living.

1040
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: Plus do you think that this show has anything?

1041
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: Uh?

1042
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: You mentioned that it really seems to nail the texture

1043
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: the feel of this particular political moment. I wonder if

1044
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: you could expound on that, What particularly are the things

1045
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: that you look at and go God, that feels like

1046
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: something that either has happened or would happen.

1047
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 7: I think that ever since, there is a feeling, especially

1048
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Speaker 7: among people among liberals, among people on the left, that

1049
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 7: fascists have to necessarily have like carefully laid plans and

1050
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 7: coherent ideologies, and that villains are like you know, two

1051
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Speaker 7: D and they're just they're always sitting there plotting about

1052
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Speaker 7: how they're going to take over the world and destroy

1053
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Speaker 7: everything right, And in reality, I think what Succession gets

1054
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Speaker 7: right is this is just a lot of rich, powerful,

1055
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Speaker 7: selfish people who are quite nihilistic. And when you are

1056
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Speaker 7: in positions of power with that much money and you

1057
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Speaker 7: make a bunch of selfish, stupid, reckless decisions, it has

1058
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Speaker 7: it can really fuck up the entire country and democracy.

1059
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Speaker 7: And you don't have to have a plan to do it,

1060
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Speaker 7: you just have to be as nihilistic as Roman has been,

1061
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Speaker 7: certainly over the last couple of days, but in reality

1062
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Speaker 7: all of them.

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Speaker 6: I've been thinking a lot about how this show feels

1064
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Speaker 6: to me, like it's kind of in conversation with the

1065
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Speaker 6: like the paranoid thriller movies in the nineteen seventies, you guys, know,

1066
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Speaker 6: these movies like yeah, Parallax View and All Presidence Men

1067
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Speaker 6: and Conversation and this, like all the thrillers that came

1068
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Speaker 6: out after Watergate and Vietnam and kind of like captured

1069
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Speaker 6: this sense that the country had that you know, democracy

1070
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Speaker 6: was a lie and there were these vast, all powerful conspiracies,

1071
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Speaker 6: and we're in kind of.

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Speaker 3: A similar moment.

1073
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Speaker 6: But Succession's final season feels very different, like you're saying,

1074
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Speaker 6: because there's no vast conspiracy, there's no big, shadowy plot,

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Speaker 6: and there's also the like nineteen seventies thrillers usually have

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01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 6: a protagonist who is like we're seeing, who's like fighting

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01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 6: back to trying to like protect what's great about America.

1078
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Speaker 6: But this show is so nihilistic and bleak. There's not

1079
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 6: really good or bad. There's just these like bumbling idiots

1080
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 6: basically who were like in positions of power and crashing

1081
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 6: around on each other and like happened to be bringing

1082
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 6: around these terrifying consequences and it's like it's it messed

1083
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 6: up because there's so much darker than those seventies political thrillers,

1084
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 6: but their grasp of how things actually work is so

1085
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 6: much more like mechanistically fine grained and connect and the

1086
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 6: sense of like institutions, And the showrunner has worked on

1087
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 6: shows in the UK that focus on institutions and bureaucracies,

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01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 6: and you like, really see he's got like a little

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Speaker 6: bit of a political science list. And there was actually

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Speaker 6: there was a line that Mattson had where he was

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Speaker 6: on the phone. He was saying that you're not even

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01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 6: a real democracy or less of a democracy than Botswana

1093
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 6: because you've been a democracy for fifty.

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Speaker 5: To fifty years.

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Speaker 6: Yea, yeah, And that is actually a like very specific

1096
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Speaker 6: argument that is really big in political science right now,

1097
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 6: that the US didn't formally become a democracy until about

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01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 6: fifty years ago. And I feel like that must have

1099
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 6: been a deliberate nod.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, so this argument, if you believe this argument,

1101
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: it goes simply because women and then people of color

1102
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: had a we'll call it a difficult time or a

1103
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: touchy time voting for much of the country's history, that

1104
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: somehow this wasn't a full fledged democracy.

1105
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: Is that?

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01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: Is that what people are saying in the in the

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01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: poly size You're.

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Speaker 3: Not You're not liking this, are you?

1109
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: Are you Jared?

1110
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 2: You're You're just looking.

1111
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 6: For something, something clean in this polluted land, something not compromise.

1112
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1113
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 7: And I also thought I thought they really got right,

1114
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 7: Like at the beginning of the Trump administration, there were

1115
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 7: a bunch of sort of establishment Republicans who went to

1116
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 7: go work for Trump and like slash former Democrats. You

1117
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 7: know what's his name, Gary Uh, the finance guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're going to keep him on the rails.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be yeah yeah.

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Speaker 7: The Committee, the Committee, the Committee to say of America,

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Speaker 7: Remember the Committee to say America. The adults in the

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01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 7: YEA and those people genuinely believed right that I am

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01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 7: here because I'm going to have influence over him and

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01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 7: I'm going to help stop Trump.

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Speaker 5: And you can see that in like Shiv and Kendle.

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Speaker 7: I remember at Kendall at one point was yell it

1127
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 7: was another episode yelling at his ex wife.

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01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 5: He's like, you have no idea what I'm trying to

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01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 5: do here on.

1130
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 7: And then Hiv, who is like terrified that Macan wins

1131
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 7: them in the very next episode, is like, I can

1132
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 7: impress the Nazi. I could watch and my dad. My

1133
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 7: dad died, so I could do anything right now.

1134
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 6: Something this show really captures that speaks to that, I

1135
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 6: think is this sense that not only is nobody coming

1136
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 6: to rescue, but there's no guardrails, there's no safety. And

1137
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 6: that was something that really came through, I thought in

1138
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 6: the Election Night episode where they're just like in the

1139
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 6: conference room deciding to steal the election, and like, I

1140
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 6: don't know about you, but I found that really triggering.

1141
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 7: Well, tend to Ndle doing a great impression of like

1142
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 7: most people on Wall Street, the markets will he'll be

1143
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 7: constrained by the markets and capitalism and the business interests.

1144
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 2: Okay, you know a lot of what we do here

1145
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: at Market Moves is about predicting things. You know, even

1146
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: the more liberal X ray Vision hosts they predict things.

1147
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: You know, for you guys, what do you think the

1148
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 2: viewers should be looking out for when we come to

1149
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 2: the finale? How do they land this realistic view of America.

1150
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 2: What happens.

1151
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 7: So I have been thinking that perhaps Kendall finally gets

1152
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 7: his crown, but he's basically, you know, ruling over the

1153
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,919
Speaker 7: ashes and that the whole that it's not worth being

1154
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 7: the CEO of this company because you know, Mattson and

1155
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 7: everything that the kids have done just sort of destroy

1156
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 7: it somehow.

1157
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 5: So I've been thinking that's possible.

1158
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 7: Although I have to say i am a Market Moves fan,

1159
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 7: so I've been listening to previous episodes.

1160
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Speaker 5: After watching the last episode, I could see a Greg, I.

1161
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: See it.

1162
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 5: I could see Greg as the s CEO. I thought

1163
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 5: it was silly at first, and I'm like.

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Speaker 6: That tight shot of Batson in the limousine there clearly

1165
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 6: there's someone who is next to them, and like, who

1166
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 6: else could it be? I mean, that was the only

1167
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 6: person I think it was missing at that point.

1168
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 5: That would be that would be so well. So I'm really.

1169
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 6: Curious what's gonna happened with the like way Star calling

1170
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 6: Wisconsin prematurely, which they have set up for like that

1171
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 6: might come back, and that of course like really parallels

1172
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 6: like Fox News doing Stop the Steal after twenty twenty

1173
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 6: and the show is like aligning with reality in these

1174
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 6: ways that are really interesting, but I think also make

1175
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 6: it like an even bigger challenge to land this ship,

1176
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 6: because like Fox News doing Stop the Steal we know

1177
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 6: now is like really blown up in their face. They

1178
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 6: had to pay an eight hundred million dollar fine. They'll

1179
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 6: probably pay more. They lost Tucker Carlson, they like really

1180
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 6: lost out, but if that happened to Waste Star, it

1181
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 6: would kind of ring false for the show's themes. So

1182
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 6: they're in kind of this tricky position. I think, like,

1183
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 6: I think we won't know what will happen with Menken.

1184
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 6: That's my big prediction, if.

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Speaker 5: You're really coming about it.

1186
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Speaker 6: I don't think we're gonna know what's gonna happen with Wisconsin.

1187
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 6: I don't think we're gonna know if you're gonna be president.

1188
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 6: I don't think we know what's gonna happen with this

1189
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 6: social unrest, which I think is actually really fitting because

1190
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 6: that's kind of where we are as a country, Like

1191
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 6: we still like a take that I like just thing occasionally.

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01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 6: It's it like January sixth is an ongoing event and

1193
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 6: we don't know how it is going to resolve, And

1194
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 6: I think that the show is like really landing that message.

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01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 5: That'll help me sleep tonight. Good heart tape, it's a

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01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 5: good heart take you gave.

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Speaker 1: Here's it's something I'm legitimately interested in. So, you know,

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01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: the Republicans have been the party of business since the

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Speaker 1: late nineteenth century with this spread of banks and the

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01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: spread of capitalism, and it was you know, I think

1201
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: you could argue Bill Clinton embracing capitalism, the creation of neoliberalism.

1202
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: After the collapse of the Soviet Union, people realize, oh

1203
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: this is let's get on board the train and say

1204
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: that we love it. That has it feels like we've

1205
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: parted with that. Certainly, the left electorate hates capitalism now

1206
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: and they're all they love Marx and they love Mao

1207
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: and it's ridiculous what's going on. But how do you

1208
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: how do you u how do you expect to win

1209
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: without aling with capital.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think this is this a question about

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01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 5: the show.

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01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 3: Well, it's a great question, but that's.

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01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 7: Why I think that's why I think like manke in

1214
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 7: right is like so malleable when when when Shiv and

1215
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 7: Mattson are like he's playing maybe maybe don't block the deal?

1216
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, right, right?

1217
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 5: And like fascists don't really care like capitalism or not.

1218
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 5: They just they want to just they want to.

1219
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 3: They want control, right, that's the whole disantas thing.

1220
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 6: Right, He's going after the big corporations because they think

1221
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 6: that's going to be useful foil for him. And now

1222
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 6: Disney is the hero of the resistance, which is a

1223
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 6: little bit of a weird position to be in.

1224
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 5: It's all, it's all in the service of power. So

1225
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 5: I think that's how they that's true.

1226
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, that does actually align pretty well. Yeah, okay, So

1227
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 6: the answer to your question is nothing matters. It's all

1228
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 6: power and money.

1229
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 5: It's all money and gossip. Are you happy you had.

1230
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 3: A sound.

1231
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm happy in the sense that you know, I understand

1232
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: now that there's nothing to fear from you. Guys. We've

1233
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: got it. The market move side is on the right

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01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: side of history. Money Ascendant Jared mac In twenty twenty four.

1235
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Speaker 1: We're going all the way. We love it. Thank you

1236
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: gentlemen for joining us, and good luck on good luck

1237
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: on your on your side of things.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you, thank you for having us. Good luck

1239
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:28,719
Speaker 7: good luck out there on the streets.

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Speaker 1: We fly only helicopters now, we don't private, private, we'll

1241
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Speaker 1: see yeah, thank you. Up next, yellow Jackets.

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01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: We are stepping out of the airlocks and in to

1243
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 2: the still mysterious where is it we don't know wilderness

1244
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 2: of yellow Jackets, which we don't know, just some snowy place. Yellowjackets,

1245
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Speaker 2: Season two, Episode eight, with the Perfect Name It Chooses,

1246
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: Directed by Daisy von Schirler Mayer and written by Sarah L.

1247
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 2: Thompson and Liz Fang. We begin after Shawna's physical therapy

1248
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 2: session that ended last week's episode aka when she beat

1249
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 2: the shower of Lottie because you know, she was upset

1250
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: that her baby died. So understandable, but probably not a

1251
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 2: great idea. Beaten and bruised, Lotty is, she's pissing blood.

1252
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 2: She's being cared for by an ever useful Misty, but also,

1253
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 2: do you really want Misty to be the one caring

1254
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 2: for you? Lot of Marie, who is one of Lotty's

1255
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 2: number one followers, is kind of putting on a sassy

1256
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 2: front complaining a lot, but secretly she's absolutely devastated, but

1257
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 2: adding more fuel to our fire about the potential parallel timelines. Lotti,

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01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 2: whose face is just absolutely decimated and she is she's struggling.

1259
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 2: She seems to be having visions from both the past

1260
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 2: and the future. She sees future Lotti. She sees future

1261
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 2: Lotti holding the Queen of Hearts cards. She sees these flashes,

1262
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: and just before those iconic credits begin to roll, we

1263
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 2: actually get one of the most brutal and grim reveals

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Speaker 2: of this season, which is that Aquila's little mouse friend.

1265
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: One of the few bright spots of the show, her

1266
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 2: little bud been keeping her going. Tie leans over to

1267
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: Aquila and says, who are you talking to? She's like,

1268
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 2: go away, Rip to that mouse because the mouse is

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01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 2: dead and maybe has always been dead because it's mummified.

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01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 2: Rip to that mouse looking no mouse jerkie maybe, but no,

1271
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 2: not good and Aquila's pretty upset. That is one of

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Speaker 2: the most shocking reveals yet in Yellowjackets. The cute mouse

1273
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: was always dead. Maybe. At Camp green Pine, adult Shawna

1274
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 2: is not having really much of a better time than

1275
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,759
Speaker 2: teen Shawna as she tells the others that the police

1276
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:23,799
Speaker 2: have found the dismembered body of Adam Martin. Guess somebody

1277
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: didn't listen to Misty's instructions, or else they wouldn't have

1278
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 2: been able d maybe then they wouldn't have been able

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01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 2: to identify him. But you know whatever, Misty tyan Nat

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01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 2: tried to convince, well.

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Speaker 1: I mean they I will say, I will say they

1282
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: did a pretty thorough job as we see.

1283
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 2: That is a good point. And also they identified him

1284
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 2: through a means that they would not have been able

1285
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 2: to know about. So you make a good point. I defect.

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01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 2: They did follow Misty's rules. They did a horrific job,

1287
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 2: as we will learn later. And Misty disgusting and Misty

1288
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 2: tyan Nat try to convince Shawna like, don't go back

1289
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 2: and see CALLI and Jeff. You need to stay here.

1290
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: We need to talk about this. You made us an

1291
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 2: accomplice in a murder. Remember that? And Van is like,

1292
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 2: fuck all of you, what's going on, throws Seanna's keys

1293
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 2: into the forest and says, we are not going anywhere

1294
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 2: until we have a little bit of a group therapy.

1295
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 2: So off to the sharing shack they go. Time to

1296
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 2: do some sharing, but before we get there, the camera

1297
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 2: is getting blurry in yellow jackets. Don't worry, not your eyes.

1298
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 2: It's just a cool cinematography effect to let you know

1299
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:34,879
Speaker 2: everyone is starving. It's getting to that time now everybody's

1300
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 2: feeling wobbly. Tie is seeing nighttime Tie in the daytime,

1301
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,919
Speaker 2: Van is sneaking around, looking suspicious and offering up belts

1302
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: to be stewed into soups because they are that hungry.

1303
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 1: It worked for Charlie or shoes.

1304
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know you're gonna eat a stew made

1305
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 2: of leather? Maybe you are. They're getting really hungry and

1306
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 2: they're in the wilderness. Can you see where this is going?

1307
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 2: I wonder cannibalism, remember it. Tensions are rising, and everybody's

1308
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: kind of already plotting on eating lot He's still warm

1309
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 2: and absolutely not dead yet body. Nat starts to wonder

1310
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 2: whether Lotty's death could be a good thing, which makes

1311
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 2: sense seeing as everyone is turning to Lotty's supernatural side,

1312
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 2: even Young Harvey, Young logical Harvey. He's even been praying

1313
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 2: to a specific symbol tree, which Natalie finds worrying. When

1314
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 2: she shares that with Coach Ben, her only logical friend

1315
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,919
Speaker 2: left the newly awakened and no longer disassociating into history,

1316
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 2: Coach Ben takes a different lesson. This is not not

1317
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 2: something good for the group. I mean, like Lotty dying,

1318
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 2: who cares what was that about a tree? Have he's

1319
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: been visiting a strange tree and bowing to it? Could

1320
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 2: that be where he hid for all those months?

1321
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: And then I mean, it's just a a simple street line. Take, Hey,

1322
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 1: where's whe's tree? Maybe you could hide in?

1323
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 2: Maybe I could hide in a tree so you guys

1324
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 2: don't eat me. Maybe pretty good idea, Honestly I understand.

1325
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 2: And once again in epic coach ben timing, remember he

1326
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 2: avoided Jackie's cannibalistic feast. It's a good time because the

1327
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 2: girls are losing it. Marie is seeing blood seeping from

1328
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 2: the walls. Ty can hear the dripping. It's all going

1329
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 2: horribly wrong. And speaking of horrific visions, Yellow Jackets is

1330
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 2: a really great show. We love it for many reasons,

1331
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: but it is at its heart a horror show. I

1332
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 2: will say season two has kind of felt like it's

1333
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: veering away from that a little bit because of the

1334
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:51,839
Speaker 2: supernatural elements, the survivalist elements. But we get such a

1335
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 2: horrible scene here after Jeff, poor lovely Jeff, he suffers

1336
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 2: from a a true night terror that is instigated by

1337
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 2: Kevin Tan and our worst enemy on the show, m Sarahcusa.

1338
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: The worst cop in the hole of yellow jackets. They

1339
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 2: show up and they're like, hey, this is like a

1340
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 2: really normal thing that cops do actually do, which is

1341
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 2: I'm just going to show you some horrible images of

1342
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 2: a decapitated and chopped up dead body. How'd you feel

1343
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 2: about that? Would you like to see it? This is

1344
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 2: where a very sharp knife cut through somebody's limbs. Enjoying

1345
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 2: that image looks delightful. Yeah, it is very horrible. And

1346
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 2: I will say, as we the audience know that Sewna

1347
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 2: did cut that body up, it adds a little bit

1348
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 2: more context to the choice that the women made when

1349
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 2: they decided they were going to get rid of the body.

1350
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 2: It is very grotesque. But you know what, these cops

1351
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 2: don't know Jeff is an accomplice. They could just be

1352
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 2: showing this to an innocent man. They know nothing. Jeff

1353
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 2: is understandably very upset, and later he is at home

1354
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 2: and Shauna arrives back from Camp Green Pine and he's

1355
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 2: so happy to see her. And as usual, it's Shawna.

1356
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 2: So she's incredibly horny and they're making out but done

1357
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 2: dune Dune. She has electric turkey carvers for hands.

1358
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: You know, she's horny because it's the worst possible exactly

1359
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,879
Speaker 1: horny right now.

1360
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 2: Shauna, Please, he's like your own have found your lover's

1361
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 2: dead body. Don't be coming home and kissing me up,

1362
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 2: and then don't be chopping me with your turkey carver

1363
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 2: hands that you have apparently replaced your real hands with

1364
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 2: because your life is so boring that you need some

1365
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: excitement by adding turkey carvers to your stump arms. It

1366
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: was truly horrific, surprising no one. It was also a dream,

1367
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 2: but Jeff probably having some issues. I feel like at

1368
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 2: this point, accepting okay, do you think how likely do

1369
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: you think it is as we head into the final

1370
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 2: episode of this season that Jeff is going to turn

1371
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 2: on Shana and shot her to the cops to protect

1372
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 2: him and Cally.

1373
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 1: I don't think that he ever gets there unless something else,

1374
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:30,719
Speaker 1: something else, like you know, a friend of a friend

1375
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: dropping a clue to the police. It's some extra pressure.

1376
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,759
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll ever turn on her without something

1377
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 1: outside acting on their relationship.

1378
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I think he's I think

1379
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 2: he's scared, but I don't think he's that scared. I

1380
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,799
Speaker 2: think he does truly love Shawna a in a very

1381
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 2: all encompassing way that's quite defined by loyalty in lotty sharing,

1382
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 2: Shack talking about loyalty, the truth is coming out. Shawna

1383
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 2: reveals Jeff knows about the through killing Adam, and when

1384
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 2: thy classic tie here just saying tries to act like

1385
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 2: high and mighty. This is a lot This is like

1386
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 2: one of the funniest scenes because if you were doing

1387
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 2: like a speed recap, you wouldn't believe that all of

1388
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 2: this happens in like one secret. So Ty does a

1389
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 2: classic situation. She's high and mighty. Oh my god, Seana,

1390
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 2: how could you do that? How could you reveal our

1391
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:27,759
Speaker 2: secrets to your loving husband? And Misty's like, h remember

1392
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 2: when you revealed all of our secrets to a PI

1393
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: called Jessica who came and offered us hundreds of thousands

1394
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 2: of dollars to write a book about being in Yellowjacket's

1395
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 2: just a test whether you could trust us or not.

1396
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: And everyone's understandably pissed, and van As the kind of outsider,

1397
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 2: makes a really good point. She says, well, how do

1398
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: you know this is a safe situation? And seawans like, yeah,

1399
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 2: what if she goes rogue? You know? And Misty says,

1400
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 2: don't worry, I murdered her. I took care of it.

1401
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: And the best thing is, like nobody's surprise.

1402
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: Nobody even blinks at this. Well, there's been so much

1403
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: crazy information already revealed in the sharing, in the scheering check,

1404
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: like in the two minutes before this, that like that

1405
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: Misty killed another person is definitely not a shit.

1406
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 2: And as Misty says, you know, you're welcome because guess what,

1407
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 2: I took care of it. Yes, as useful. And then

1408
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 2: Seanna's like, well, this is crazy because you're now you

1409
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: know that. Not only that, but the FBI has been

1410
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 2: going around to Randy asking questions about, you know, Natalie,

1411
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 2: and Natalie's like, well, I'm a Missy's like, Nana, don't worry.

1412
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 2: That was actually me and my boyfriend. We we were

1413
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 2: the ones. We pretended to be the FBI so we

1414
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: could find Natalie, you know, as you do. And then

1415
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 2: Misty's like, wait a minute. He was actually very upset

1416
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: and worried about something, and he mentioned your husband, Seanna,

1417
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 2: He mentioned Jeff, so what could that be about? And

1418
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: it finally comes out that Jeff and not Adam, was

1419
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 2: the blackmailer unbelievable reveals.

1420
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 1: And honestly a good reason for not telling them because

1421
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: she was afraid that, you know, that they might murder him.

1422
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like, how could you say that? And

1423
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 2: Van's like, Misty did literally murder someone she thought was

1424
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 2: the blackmailer. And then you know, it's quite the time

1425
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 2: in the Sharing Shack. I mean, who could know that

1426
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 2: so many truths were about to come out back in

1427
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 2: the nineties. You know, teen Misty is on Coach Ben's

1428
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 2: suicide watch, but she doesn't need to worry because he's

1429
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 2: not sharpening the machete to do any harm to himself,

1430
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 2: just to adapt his crutches for the snowy weather so

1431
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 2: he can make an escape into the wilderness, which obviously

1432
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 2: keeps secret from his stalk and Misty. While the group

1433
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 2: begins to hallucinate from hunger, nat is being quite kind

1434
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 2: as always, and she makes some gloves for Harvey, which

1435
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 2: leads to this sweet moment where Travis makes peace with

1436
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: her and says, I'm sorry forever making you think that

1437
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 2: you want to good person, like I really I take

1438
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 2: that back, and you are a good person and you'll

1439
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 2: definitely never do anything in this episode to make me

1440
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: feel like that will change because you are a good person.

1441
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 2: While Lottie wastes away with a fever in the attic,

1442
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 2: it's not looking good for her. She tells Misty that

1443
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 2: the girls have to eat her if she dies. She's like, look,

1444
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 2: if I die, don't waste it. I didn't die for nothing.

1445
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: Guys, can I ask an important question? Does she even

1446
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: need to say this? They're starving out, they would do it.

1447
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,919
Speaker 1: They're like, they would do it in a heartbeat.

1448
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,759
Speaker 2: Well, it's like trying. She's like, I'm just gonna assuage

1449
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 2: them of any guilt, Like they don't need to have

1450
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 2: a question. I'm telling him that's you know, some people

1451
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 2: want to be created, some people want to be buried.

1452
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: Some people want to be buried at sea. I want

1453
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 2: to be eaten by my friends in the wilderness. So

1454
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 2: she just lets him know, and that will go on

1455
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 2: to inspire a very fateful conversation within the group. But first,

1456
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 2: an interesting thing that we learn about Walter here. He

1457
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 2: is apparently a multi millionaire that wasn't a weird lie

1458
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 2: that it seemed like it probably was, and he lives

1459
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 2: in a very impressive, beautiful house with full floor to

1460
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 2: ceiling windows and what's he up to? He's just doing

1461
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 2: a puzzle drinking.

1462
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: Bailey's on the internet as one listening to.

1463
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 2: Not while I'm Around from Sweeney Todd, the lyrics of

1464
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 2: which say demons are prowling everywhere plays through his you

1465
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 2: know his bow's speakers. I assume some very bang and

1466
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 2: off some and expensive speaker system. And when he sees

1467
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 2: that Adam Martin's body has been found on his beloved

1468
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 2: Reddit true crime boards, he sends a message to the

1469
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 2: local police force saying he has information about the murder.

1470
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 2: So big question is he snitching on Misty or, as

1471
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 2: the lyrics play when he sends the email, no One's

1472
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 2: gonna hurt you while I'm around, is he planning to

1473
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 2: cover up for Misty? What do you think?

1474
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: I think it's some version of cover up that may

1475
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: include incriminating people around. But I think he is trying

1476
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: to throw the police in a different direction. And I

1477
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: think that he's then going to go to Misty and say, hey,

1478
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: look what I did.

1479
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that is the case.

1480
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 2: I also think there's a very interesting duality with Walter

1481
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 2: where I still have this theory that potentially he could

1482
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 2: be connected to Crystal in some way, and maybe what

1483
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 2: he wants is to get the police off Misty's case

1484
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 2: so that he can kind of deal with her and

1485
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 2: get his vengeance. But I also just like the idea

1486
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 2: that they're just like two sociopaths who are going to

1487
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 2: fall in love. Hannibal is one of my all time

1488
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 2: favorite TV shows. I love murder, boyfriend's, murder, girlfriends, murder,

1489
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: any kind of gender partners, so I like the idea

1490
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 2: that him and Misty could just become like weird murder

1491
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 2: vigilante boyfriend and girlfriend. So I'm on your side. I

1492
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 2: do believe that he is trying to put them off

1493
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:06,839
Speaker 2: her scent, and interestingly enough, as he leaves his house,

1494
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 2: he grabs a purple coat, So this offers another question.

1495
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 2: Is he already part of Loti's crew, Probably not, or

1496
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 2: is he headed to Camp green Pine and trying to

1497
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 2: blend in with those followers.

1498
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what he's gonna do. He's gonna

1499
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: go there, and he's going to He might believe that

1500
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 1: she is imprisoned there or whatever the case may be,

1501
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: but he's gonna sneak out.

1502
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 2: YEA believe that. So speaking of sweet people doing things

1503
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 2: to protect the ones they love. Jeff has had his

1504
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 2: terrible night terror. He's seen Shanna with scary meat cleaver

1505
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 2: hat I mean turkey carver hands, let's be specific about

1506
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 2: the weaponry. And he shares some home truths with Callie,

1507
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 2: who's up drinking a beer scandalous. You know she's only

1508
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 2: eighteen and she's in high school. Guys, she's drinking a beer,

1509
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 2: trying to get to go to sleep, and Jeff tells

1510
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:05,759
Speaker 2: he's starting with adult car every time. And he shares

1511
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 2: Shawna's most terrible loss from the wilderness with his daughter

1512
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 2: that he knows about. We learn him maybe because he

1513
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 2: read the journals, or maybe because Shawna told him. He

1514
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 2: knows that Shawna lost a baby, and Cally is deeply

1515
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 2: moved by the reveal. It's clear that this is also

1516
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 2: very tied to why Jeff is so loyal. Is his

1517
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 2: loyalty waning? We kind of touched on this. He seems to,

1518
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 2: at least I feel like, be considering what Kevin was set.

1519
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 2: Kevin Tan you know, the cop who slept with Natalie,

1520
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 2: by the way, also seems problematic seeing as she's involved

1521
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 2: in this case. Him and m Sarahkhu's are really doing

1522
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 2: the most. When they came to the house with the

1523
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 2: search warrant didn't find anything, it seems, but you know,

1524
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 2: showed Jeff those scary images. He definitely seems to be

1525
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 2: considering the idea of, oh, I could protect Cally. He

1526
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 2: says to her, this isn't your burden to bear, but

1527
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 2: it's unclear. I don't think Cally would go along with that.

1528
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 2: She has turned for being like one of the most

1529
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 2: the worst characters in the season who was always doing crazy,

1530
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 2: annoying shit and ended up like she really has found

1531
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 2: this weird anti hero kind of space for her mom

1532
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 2: in her life. Speaking of which I'm gonna give you

1533
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 2: Jason a giant We were right because Shaana does a monologue.

1534
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 2: Oh yes, she does a literal monologue, admitting that she

1535
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 2: is just obsessed with blowing up her life and she

1536
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 2: just can't stop making things worse. She can't stop she

1537
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 2: wants the chaos. She even says she had the affair

1538
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 2: with Adam because she wanted to mix things up, and

1539
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 2: then ever since then she says, I've been trying to

1540
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 2: fix it, and then she's like, no, I haven't. I've

1541
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 2: actually just been trying to make things worse. Everything I

1542
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 2: do is making things worse. And I was very impressed

1543
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 2: because you called that shit from the very beginning of

1544
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 2: this season about that being like Shana's driving force is

1545
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 2: this kind of chaotic void that she just constantly wants

1546
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 2: to blow up her suburban life life.

1547
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: She gets off on the chaos. It's exciting to her.

1548
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: Something about just normal relationships, normal living is boring and

1549
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: isolating and and and entrapping to her. And she needs

1550
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: to break free. And the only way she can feel

1551
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: that she can do that is by doing crime by adultery,

1552
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 1: by committing murders.

1553
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then has not committed a murder when we're

1554
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 2: just feeling a bit.

1555
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, who among this is not decapitated? And uh, the

1556
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: the corpse of the person you were having an affair

1557
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 1: with so they cannot be identified. Then cut off the

1558
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: hands and then cheese greater.

1559
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 2: It's just what it's very reliable to cheese gray as

1560
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 2: someone's tattoos off. You don't want that to be that

1561
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 2: that's a signifying mom Come on, Sean is honesty and

1562
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 2: buyers Natalie to encourage the others to open up, which,

1563
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 2: by the way, I still think Natalie is playing some

1564
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 2: kind of long game here. I'm just not sure what

1565
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 2: it is at this point, but sad times to see

1566
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 2: it because she has really been struggling this season. Lottie

1567
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 2: takes the reins goes against what Natalie was saying, which

1568
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 2: is very interesting because she's kind of been preaching this

1569
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 2: idea of therapy and talking their problems out, and she's like, no,

1570
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 2: none of that's gonna help. Talking won't help. We are

1571
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 2: here for a reason, and the reason is the power

1572
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 2: of the wilderness, and I know what it wants. Cut

1573
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 2: to the wilderness in the nineties, where we're about to

1574
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 2: learn what Lotti thinks it wants. Lotti has offered her

1575
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:42,560
Speaker 2: body up for the good of the group the survivors.

1576
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 2: In a very interesting and telling conversation, they decide they

1577
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 2: don't want Lottie to die, and as Travis points out,

1578
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 2: the only way she can survive is if she eats something.

1579
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: I like that.

1580
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 2: At this point, no one's even trying to find an animal,

1581
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 2: like maybe we should go and do like one scope.

1582
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe there's some kind of like wintery animal who survived.

1583
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 2: Maybe we could climb a tree, do you know, go

1584
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 2: ice fish ice fishing in the lake. Like, yeah, there

1585
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 2: seems like there's many different options, but as Tye says,

1586
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 2: we have to find a way to save Lotty and

1587
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 2: to save ourselves. We need to eat and we're gonna

1588
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 2: have to do whatever we can to survive. So if

1589
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 2: you remember, the girls have been assigning chores via pulling

1590
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 2: cards from a deck. This is also very interestingly throughout

1591
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 2: the season clearly been something they were rigging, because they

1592
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 2: would always make sure that Crystal and Misty had to

1593
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 2: go on toilet Judy as punishment for Misty, you know,

1594
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 2: poisoning people who amongst us has again not poisoned some people,

1595
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 2: you know, So it doesn't seem like a great trustworthy option,

1596
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 2: but in an interesting narrative choice. I think in the

1597
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 2: discord Our Discord, there's been a conversation about it, and

1598
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 2: I think on the Internet there's been a lot of

1599
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 2: controversy about it. They don't really show them making this choice,

1600
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 2: which I think is very interesting. So it more just

1601
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 2: kind of you are left to add the narrative of

1602
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 2: how they got there. But it's something we've seen them

1603
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: do before, and we get a really good kind of

1604
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 2: riff on this, you know, in the thing when they're

1605
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 2: trying to work out who's infected and who's not, and

1606
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 2: we get this very tense sequence who's going to get killed?

1607
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 2: How do you deal with that? It's so good and

1608
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 2: so atmospheric, and people pull a card and Misty is

1609
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 2: safe and Travis is safe and Shanna is safe. And honestly, Shanna,

1610
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 2: you probably should have been the sacrifice. You cause mad

1611
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 2: problems and it should have been you, baby. But sadly,

1612
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 2: for people with taste, it is Natalie who pulls the

1613
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 2: Queen of Heart cards. You hate to see it. I

1614
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 2: love Natalie. That is why I have my funny shag mullet.

1615
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 2: She inspired me to do it. I love her, and

1616
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:07,440
Speaker 2: Natalie is the sacrifice. But we know Natalie still exists

1617
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 2: in the future as we know it, so this seems

1618
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 2: like an odd choice. Seanna, of course, is the executor.

1619
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:19,440
Speaker 2: Loves to kill someone, just can't help it, just absolutely

1620
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,799
Speaker 2: adores it. And in a very sick move, she places

1621
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 2: Jackie's necklace around Natalie's throat, which is a little heart necklace.

1622
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 2: It's very gross. We get this duality here, there's this

1623
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,560
Speaker 2: two sides. If you are the sacrifice, you pull the

1624
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 2: Queen of Heart's card, you put on this necklace and

1625
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 2: that kind of designates you as being the sacrifice. We

1626
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 2: can assume this is a version of what we saw

1627
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 2: in the very first episode of Yellowjackets that got everyone

1628
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 2: so hooked of the girls running after a sacrifice. We

1629
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 2: can assume they pulled the card and they were wearing

1630
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 2: the necklace and they had to make that choice now

1631
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 2: because Natalie is a bad one. She's not taking it

1632
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 2: at all. Sewn has too much of a coward to

1633
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 2: look her in the eyes, and Natalie's like, no, look

1634
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 2: me in the eyes.

1635
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 1: Do it.

1636
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to look at me while you slip

1637
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 2: my throat. Give it a try, and Seana can't do it.

1638
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 2: Travis in a choice that he will inevitably come to

1639
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 2: regret and I'm sure will haun him for the rest

1640
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 2: of his life. Just horrible shit that they do in

1641
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 2: this This this final like fifteen minutes, is so fucking bleak.

1642
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 2: Travis causes the commotion, pushes them out of the way,

1643
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 2: and lets Nap run and this leads to one of

1644
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 2: those sequences we've had teased throughout the season and flashes.

1645
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 2: It's in the credit sequence. It got a lot of

1646
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 2: people talking. The survivors are chasing Natalie through the forest

1647
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 2: before we just saw them, you know, ties screaming and

1648
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:48,679
Speaker 2: they turn feral like. This is a turn of events

1649
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 2: that I.

1650
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 1: Truly I don't know any like it's like a zombie

1651
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 1: and I.

1652
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 2: Feel like that's what they were trying to establish with

1653
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,679
Speaker 2: this blurry camera angles. They wanted to show us how

1654
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 2: far gone they were because they do not question it.

1655
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 2: They do not for a second have any issue with

1656
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 2: trying to eat Natalie. It's happening. It's gonna happen, and

1657
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 2: she is gonna be dinner. Before we see what happens

1658
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 2: to Natalie and how she survived, which is gonna break

1659
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 2: your heart. We will have to wait and see because

1660
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 2: in a very interesting and what I think will be

1661
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 2: very important narratively turn of events. We cut to Camp

1662
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 2: Green Pine, where Shauna immediately tells Lotti none of that

1663
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:35,640
Speaker 2: was real. I am so interested, like this is she

1664
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 2: just continuing the direct conversation where Lotti was talking about

1665
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 2: power of awardness? Is she talking about that entire vision

1666
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,839
Speaker 2: that we just saw. There is a definite, unreliable narrator

1667
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 2: situation here that I think is incredibly interesting and more

1668
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 2: likely lead into the next season. But we'll have to

1669
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 2: wait to see how true or not true it is.

1670
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 2: Because bad things are happening.

1671
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 1: This.

1672
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:05,719
Speaker 2: Lotti has gone full of Heaven's Gate, as Misty points out,

1673
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 2: and she wants the women to drink from cups, one

1674
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:14,679
Speaker 2: of which has been poisoned with phoenobarbital, and that person's

1675
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 2: gonna die when they drink it. Would you drink it?

1676
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 2: What do you think, Jason? Would you drink from one

1677
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 2: of these cups? You're not drinking, thank you. I'm also

1678
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 2: not drinking drinking.

1679
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 1: And by the way, Lotti, Lotti, why is your every

1680
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: idea well one of us should die?

1681
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 2: Now I'm saying, do I need a.

1682
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 1: Better solution to stay?

1683
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 2: I think this is a big logical flaw in Lotti's part.

1684
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 2: So Lotti's argument is, look, in the wilderness, we would

1685
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 2: sacrifice somebody and then we would all survive because we

1686
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 2: ate them. But also the wilderness would be happy if

1687
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 2: we do that now, then time. Maybe your wife won't

1688
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 2: die in a coma, Shanna. Maybe you won't get arrested

1689
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 2: for this murder like the wilderness can hook us up. Natalie,

1690
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 2: Maybe you won't be such a loser and a drug

1691
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 2: addicts anymore fucked up Lotty. I don't know why. It's

1692
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:05,679
Speaker 2: like not really comparable to like everything else everyone's doing.

1693
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 2: But sure, mistery, you are a murderer. Maybe you'll stop murdering.

1694
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 2: Maybe not. I'm gonna say something if that's the case. Yeah,

1695
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 2: Travis already died. Why didn't that fix their problems? The

1696
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 2: wilderness chose Travis? Where's the logic of that adult Travis died?

1697
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 2: He was murdered in what looked like a hallucinatory kind

1698
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 2: of strange supernatural one of the main supernatural glimpses that

1699
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 2: we've got. I feel like Lotti is struggling. We also

1700
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 2: now know that her therapist never existed, so she was

1701
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 2: never getting the medication that she needed for like the

1702
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 2: last few weeks. This is a very sad turn of events.

1703
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely hate to see it. But also this is like

1704
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 2: the most fucked up group of friends ever because, by

1705
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 2: the end of Lotti explaining it, like none of none

1706
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 2: of them are like this sounds really bad. Like everyone's

1707
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 2: just like yeah, everybody's like, okay, maybe maybe we should

1708
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:00,639
Speaker 2: just drink the poison call it. I mean, come on, guys,

1709
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 2: this is cult leader one oh one.

1710
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: I am surprised, honestly that no one has said, hey,

1711
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 1: what about the other people that died? Like aren't we good?

1712
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 2: Right? How many times do you have to do it?

1713
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:15,440
Speaker 2: Like what is the cost? And like Travis died.

1714
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 1: Like recently paid to me?

1715
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, very recently, you know, like it's and also if

1716
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 2: that was the case, Lotty, why didn't you let Nat

1717
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 2: kill herself? Like there's all these different the logic is

1718
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 2: not there. So I believe that we can see that

1719
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 2: this is something I think that is more of a

1720
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 2: struggle in Lotty's head right now than a reality. But

1721
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 2: you know, someone is faring a little bit better in

1722
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 2: the worldness. It's coach Ben. He's feeling good. Guess what

1723
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,640
Speaker 2: he found Harvey's magical symboltry lo and behold big we

1724
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 2: were right. I'm calling out by name because this is

1725
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 2: the first person who I saw posit this theory. My

1726
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 2: name is Dan, who is one of our discord users.

1727
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 2: He had posited the theory that there was an underground

1728
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 2: tunnel system and that symbols on the trees basically marked

1729
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 2: where you could find the tunnels and the entrances to

1730
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:10,440
Speaker 2: the tunnels. And I would say, this is a oh,

1731
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:12,839
Speaker 2: we were right that there is at least one tunnel,

1732
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 2: and I think is probably positing going towards like a

1733
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 2: proper we were right. Next episode, so there is a cave.

1734
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 2: Ben finds it and it leads to some kind of

1735
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,639
Speaker 2: tunnel system. And not only that, but someone's been living

1736
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:30,799
Speaker 2: there eating small animals. How did they find those animals?

1737
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:34,719
Speaker 2: Maybe these people should be eating them instead of eating humans.

1738
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 2: Just an idea, but basically that animal bones are there.

1739
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 2: This is probably where Harvey survived his time in the wilderness.

1740
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 2: Maybe let's just strow it out there because yellowjackers. Look,

1741
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 2: maybe the bones are there for witchcraft. Maybe a witch

1742
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 2: lives there.

1743
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 1: It kind of seems to me like there's chickens in

1744
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 1: them that are wood.

1745
01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying that looks like.

1746
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 1: Where's the food. There's food.

1747
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 2: Maybe there's food in the tunnels. Maybe there's a little

1748
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 2: underground farm. Maybe there's some chickens be living down there,

1749
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, like.

1750
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: Underground farm is very interesting.

1751
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have seen some other really cool theories.

1752
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 2: I think in our discord, this one's popped up a lot.

1753
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 2: The idea that perhaps the person who has been living

1754
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 2: in there and is nighttime Tie who maybe was the

1755
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 2: one who was protecting Harvey and was his friend and

1756
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 2: you know, claimed that she didn't want him to go back, which,

1757
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 2: let's be real, we find out now very right how

1758
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 2: they should not have gone back. Yes, bad times all around,

1759
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 2: because Harvey catches up with Nat on the frozen river

1760
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:45,680
Speaker 2: and he tells her I'm gonna take you to my

1761
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 2: secret hiding place to help you survive this insane hunting party.

1762
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 2: But as it is, wont to do, the wilderness chooses

1763
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 2: and the night the ice breaks and Harvey falls in.

1764
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 2: At first, because Natalie is a nice human being, I

1765
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 2: do truly believe that she tries to save him, but

1766
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 2: as the other girls catch up, Misty kneels down and

1767
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 2: whispers to her, if you save Harvey, they will eat you.

1768
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 2: Another life saved by Misty kind of like not really,

1769
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 2: but kind of because if she didn't, like Nat would

1770
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 2: be dead. But sadly, Harvey still dies, and it's really

1771
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 2: grim because we have to watch him drown and Nat

1772
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 2: has to watch him drown, and we definitely understand. I

1773
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 2: feel like that is the choice that Natalie made in

1774
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 2: her life. She often talks about she didn't deserve to survive.

1775
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,439
Speaker 2: They she did think she was ashamed of she wished

1776
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 2: that she could go back, and that I think is

1777
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 2: that that's that moment where she lets somebody die so

1778
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:52,679
Speaker 2: that she could survive. And it's in a really horrific way.

1779
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 1: I am back all the way around to this show

1780
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: could now be completely not I think so too. I

1781
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 1: think there could. I think there could. I think the

1782
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 1: results of trauma, starvation, intense emotional tenor could have. First

1783
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: of all, it did absolutely result in numerous, like parallel

1784
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: hallucinations that did and did not intersect with other hallucinations

1785
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 1: that were going on. And I think that there is

1786
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 1: a real chance that all the stuff they think happened

1787
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 1: only happened pieces didn't happen all the way. No one

1788
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:35,679
Speaker 1: has the full.

1789
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:37,720
Speaker 2: Piece that would be explained by Seanna saying it wasn't

1790
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 2: real because she doesn't remember it that way.

1791
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she doesn't remember it. And in order for

1792
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 1: them to make sense of it all, they have come

1793
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 1: up with this framing the wilderness.

1794
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 2: Exactly and we and that's how the episode ends. They

1795
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 2: don't want to deal with the fact that they let

1796
01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:00,639
Speaker 2: Hobby die after they don't you just go on and back,

1797
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 2: so Van Declare's you know, the wilderness chose and that's it.

1798
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 2: Harvey will be the next meal. Of course, how Travis

1799
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 2: will feel about that is a whole different situation, but

1800
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 2: we know that him and Natalie stayed in contact as adults,

1801
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 2: so I'm sure there's probably a story there, just another

1802
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:21,559
Speaker 2: absolute bummer fucking ending the last three episodes of Really,

1803
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 2: They'll just fucking destroy you.

1804
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 1: So tell me why you think it's possible that this

1805
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: show could be not supernatural.

1806
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 2: I think that the closer we get, I think there

1807
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 2: are multiple different things that could in that situation seem supernatural,

1808
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 2: like Lotti's visions, which we know are likely part of

1809
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 2: her having mental health struggles. Those began this kind of

1810
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 2: journey of the group into believing, well, i'd say more

1811
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 2: of a spiral actually, that there was something super natural

1812
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 2: going on, Tie sleepwalking, something else that can absolutely be

1813
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:07,680
Speaker 2: explained away in a non supernatural sense, but in that

1814
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 2: space of being in the wilderness, being disconnected from reality,

1815
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 2: not eating, it takes on this whole other meaning. You know,

1816
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 2: there are multiple coincidences than and Tie being out and

1817
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 2: finding Harvey. That doesn't have to be supernatural. It's just

1818
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 2: that there's not a very big space, and he was

1819
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 2: coming out of the tree, you know, things Like we've

1820
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 2: talked about this before, it's very likely that Lotti or

1821
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 2: Tie in a sleepwalking mode, was the one who put

1822
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 2: the symbols around and instead it's about building a narrative

1823
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 2: that fits to explain away the things that they had

1824
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 2: to do. We did say in the episode where they

1825
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:48,840
Speaker 2: ate Jackie, the first cannibalism episode, I felt like the

1826
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 2: photography was so intentional. It was so supposed to bring

1827
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 2: us into this mindset that the wilderness baked Jackie properly.

1828
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 2: It presented her fully cooked, but we don't I don't

1829
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:02,360
Speaker 2: know if that's really what happened. I really wouldn't be

1830
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,559
Speaker 2: surprised if we saw a different version where Van and

1831
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 2: Tye went out there and they packed the snow and

1832
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 2: they cooked her.

1833
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 1: You know.

1834
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 2: I think that there's very interesting, unreliable narrator kind of

1835
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 2: situations occurring, and I think that Lottie fully committing to

1836
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 2: this kind of cult leader aspect of herself, which she

1837
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 2: has not done, like this intentional community. We've made a

1838
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 2: lot of jokes about how it's a cult, and but

1839
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 2: it seems like she has been pushing away from that

1840
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 2: and trying to do something positive for people, And the

1841
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:36,599
Speaker 2: fact that she now is saying, hey, let's just one

1842
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 2: of us just kill ourselves. I think that is a

1843
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 2: that's a psychotic break that she is suffering from more

1844
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:46,719
Speaker 2: than I think, especially, like I said, the illogical nature

1845
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 2: of well, why isn't Travis the good enough sacrifice? Didn't

1846
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 2: didn't the Wilderness choose Adam when Shauna killed him? Like,

1847
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:58,920
Speaker 2: it's not adding up. And it's really funny because last

1848
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 2: episode I was like, it's a fairy show, like I'm

1849
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 2: into it, like it's fairies. But now I'm yeah, I

1850
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:07,800
Speaker 2: was like, I'm into it, it's fairies, it's supernatural. Somebody

1851
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 2: pointed out True Blood was about fairies, Like why not?

1852
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 2: But now I'm actually thinking, especially, imagine how horrific it

1853
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:16,719
Speaker 2: will be if Coach Ben doesn't do what we expect

1854
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 2: and he doesn't just hide down there himself. Imagine how

1855
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 2: terrible it will be if he leads them down there

1856
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,639
Speaker 2: after they've killed Harvey and they find food, or they

1857
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 2: find animals, or they find whoever lived in the cabin before.

1858
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:31,799
Speaker 2: Maybe they'd made that into some kind of stock storage space,

1859
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 2: you know, as people were doing caverns and caves. Maybe

1860
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:38,000
Speaker 2: there's dried meats down there and they have to come

1861
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 2: to the realization that this is a choice they made.

1862
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,600
Speaker 2: I think that could really be a harrowing way to

1863
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,720
Speaker 2: end the season, and harrowing has been one of the

1864
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 2: big watchwords for this season, so I think the non

1865
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 2: supernatural element is and also very clever way to potentially

1866
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,320
Speaker 2: end the season, even if you know they've I think

1867
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 2: they've said this is a five season plan is what

1868
01:47:57,439 --> 01:47:59,680
Speaker 2: they have for it, and who knows when more see

1869
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 2: season because they're on strike. But it's very interesting to

1870
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:08,440
Speaker 2: kind of end in quite a final this isn't supernatural

1871
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:11,599
Speaker 2: way potentially, and then also then you have season three

1872
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 2: to blow that up or to go along with it

1873
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 2: or whatever else. I think it would be very interesting

1874
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 2: to have a show that is just really ingrained in

1875
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:21,719
Speaker 2: this idea of how trauma can affect us. But we'll

1876
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 2: have to see next week because next week is Succession

1877
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:28,799
Speaker 2: finale and Yellow Jackets finale, and for those who are watching,

1878
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:30,919
Speaker 2: though we haven't been able to cover it, the Barry finale,

1879
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 2: so they're really they're coming in strong.

1880
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 1: Quite strong, and quite It's it's a bummer, it's like

1881
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 1: a bummer pull.

1882
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 2: We are getting intense every day. Sunday is like the

1883
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 2: most fun. It's meant to be very razing, but we

1884
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:50,519
Speaker 2: are getting fucking the most intense programming in a long time.

1885
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 1: Well up next, no doubt.

1886
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. In today's ned out way, you tell us what

1887
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:04,800
Speaker 2: you love them? Why oh a theory you're excited to share.

1888
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 2: Maya Pictures us on Gamma del Toro's mech masterpiece, Pacific Grim.

1889
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:11,519
Speaker 2: I do believe it's a masterpiece. I absolutely love this movie.

1890
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 2: I also love the sequel starring John Boyega. Hi Jason,

1891
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 2: Hi ROSI. My name is Maya.

1892
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,240
Speaker 4: I'm a longtime xtraory Vision listener. I could listen to

1893
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 4: you guys talk about anything you want all the time,

1894
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:24,800
Speaker 4: even for like things that I've not really tuned in for.

1895
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 4: I'm always there you guys, bright onw my.

1896
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:27,679
Speaker 2: Week all the time.

1897
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:31,000
Speaker 4: So for minord out, I want to talk about twenty

1898
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:34,639
Speaker 4: thirteen's Pacific Rim from Germo del Toro. Did not realize

1899
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 4: we were coming up on the tenth anniversary of it,

1900
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,760
Speaker 4: but it hit made a formative time in my life.

1901
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,960
Speaker 4: I was working at a movie theater in between semesters

1902
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:45,679
Speaker 4: for the summer we're all excited about this movie about

1903
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 4: giant robots and giant kaiju. First of all, I love

1904
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 4: monster making so like the concept and the visuals of

1905
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:55,720
Speaker 4: the monsters are ridiculously I love them, the big crop one,

1906
01:49:55,720 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 4: the Hammerhead one, even the little baby one. Still what

1907
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 4: plushes of all of them. I think that Also the

1908
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 4: reason I love this movie so much is the concept

1909
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,120
Speaker 4: of drift compatibility, which I think is one of the

1910
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:10,719
Speaker 4: coolest sci fi concepts of the last like ten years

1911
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 4: of movie making. I've probably like spent too many dates

1912
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,559
Speaker 4: talking about it. But the fact that you can only

1913
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 4: pilot these giant robots by sharing the neural load with

1914
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:25,600
Speaker 4: another person rather it be like familial platonic romantic like

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Speaker 4: the fact that you have to have that connection to

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Speaker 4: share the load is really beautiful. I think this movie

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Speaker 4: talks a lot about human connection and having faith in

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Speaker 4: each other and how we can achieve things. And as

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Speaker 4: someone who doesn't always see the good in everyone, I

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Speaker 4: think that's why I love.

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Speaker 2: This movie so much.

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Speaker 4: Not to mention the fact that the scores by Rahman

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Speaker 4: Dijwadi I hope pronounced that right, who also produced the

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Speaker 4: Game of Throne score, West World Score if I ever

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Speaker 4: need to get shit done, I'm playing that full blast,

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Speaker 4: especially the theme song A great cast, Jacks Teller, Ak,

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Speaker 4: Charlie Hunnam at the height of a sense of anarchy

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Speaker 4: phase Rinku Koncucci.

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Speaker 2: On Peerlman, Charley Day.

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Speaker 4: And then it just Elbow giving the we're canceling the

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Speaker 4: Apocalypse speech, like what more can you want from your

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Speaker 4: sci fi movie? I'm not gonna mention this sequel, even

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Speaker 4: though I was excited.

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Speaker 2: To see the drum player was in it. But we're

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Speaker 2: not gonna mention it.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I just I want everyone to watch the movie,

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Speaker 4: rewatch the movie.

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Speaker 2: I think it needs so much more love. Thanks, Thanks Maya.

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Speaker 2: If you have theories or passions you want to share,

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Speaker 2: hit us up at x ray at crookeet dot com.

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Speaker 2: Instructions in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: Well that's it for us, Rosie anything the plug, Plug,

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Speaker 1: Plug Plug Pum.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna plug a TV show on Amazon freeb called Primo.

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Speaker 2: You can't really plug it because you're on strike, but

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Speaker 2: it's really good. It's absolutely delightful. You can watch all

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Speaker 2: the episodes now. It's hilarious, it's funny. Jason absolutely put

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Speaker 2: a boor garlic reference in there for the Star Wars fans.

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Speaker 2: Shay is obviously also like a huge pop culture person,

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Speaker 2: so if that's why you listen to us, you will

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Speaker 2: love it. But it's really just a great family drama,

1952
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Speaker 2: Mike shir you know the iconbine things like Parks and Rex.

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Speaker 2: You're early in good hands, absolutely delightful. The Five Uncles

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Speaker 2: are miraculous, and you will fall in love and you

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Speaker 2: will have a favorite and it's just a wonderful show.

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Speaker 2: So you should go and watch it.

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Speaker 1: Catch the next episode on Friday, May twenty six. This

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Speaker 1: is the episode of x ray Vision to catch up

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Speaker 1: on some Star Wars, including Star Wars Visions Volume two

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Speaker 1: and its Jedi Survivor. The game that is wrestling four

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Speaker 1: times in our video game Cues against Legend of Ze Tears.

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Speaker 2: The way my life has been torn into by those

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Speaker 2: two games, Like, I want to play them both at

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Speaker 2: the same time, and it is impossible. It is just

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Speaker 2: absolutely bond because I'm very excited to talk about it

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Speaker 2: because it is I think a far far superior game

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Speaker 2: to the original. I'm loving playing it. Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 2: Subscribe on YouTube to x ray Vision, where you can

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Speaker 2: watch full episodes of the show like this one, and

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Speaker 2: check out our discord that we mentioned a lot, because

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Speaker 2: it's full of great people and we hang out in

1972
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Speaker 2: that and there's conversations from Star Wars to Survivor. It's

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Speaker 2: just absolutely great.

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Speaker 1: Five star reviews, five star writings. We love them. We

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Speaker 1: gotta have them, you gotta give.

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Speaker 2: Them to us.

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Speaker 1: Here is one from d ken Dzy twenty three, twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Twenty three, twenty three market Move for a show that

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Speaker 1: has been very Marvel and Star Wars heavy. It's fun

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Speaker 1: when a podcast covers something really different. Market Moves is

1981
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Speaker 1: my favorite segment and I'm sad that it'll end when Succession.

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Speaker 2: Ends in a few ooh.

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Speaker 1: D Kendzy twenty three. Xtra Vision is a Crooked Media production.

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Speaker 1: The show is produced by Chris Lord and sul Rubin

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Speaker 1: and executive produced by me Jason Contecci, and our editing

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Speaker 1: and sound design is by Viscillis Fortopoulos. Video production by

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Speaker 1: Delon Villanueva and Rachel Gaieski. Social media by Awa Oklati

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Speaker 1: and Caroline Dunfie. Thank you to Brian Basquez for our themes.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, See you next time.