1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's to show that she 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's given me 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: advice on many occasions. In the case you didn't notice, 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: I'm not broke, you know he'll be interview with celebrity CEOs, 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and industry decision makers. It's what he likes to do, 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: it's what he likes to share. Now it's time to 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: hear from my man, Rashan McDonald money Making Conversations. Here 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: we come. Welcome to my show, money Making Conversation Masterclass. 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: I am your host with Sean McDonald. I recognize that 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: we all have different definitions of success. For you and 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: may be the size of your paycheck. Mine has inspired 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: people to develop a plan to reach their dreams. It's 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: time to start reading other people's success stores and start 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: writing your own. You can only exceed expectations by believing yourself. 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: Understand that when I say that, because people always talk 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: about their purpose of gifts, you read that all the 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: time or hear about it all the time, especially in 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: social media. If you have a gift, listen to me 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: leave with your gift and don't let your friends, family, 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: a coworkers stop you from planning and living your dreams. 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: My guess is Coronalty. I mean, y'all. Tay can currently 23 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: be seen on the as a powerful attorney. I've seen 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: this series. I'm I'm in love with I can't wait 25 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: to start talking to him because the character is really edgy, 26 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: smart and little street in her too. Um Attorney Steward 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: On who lose Reasonable Doubt. She's in their star with 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: my board Michael Eally, we're talking about that relationship when 29 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: the interview starts to produced by and directed the pilot 30 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: episode by Carry Washington and also my man Larry mill 31 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: wilmore So, she got a lot of names in this 32 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: series I'm very familiar with. She plays the character Jack's prosecutor, 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: who was also a wife and mother who is balancing marriage, 34 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 1: kids and a murder trial. I want to ask about 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: that marriage because I don't know if, but I don't 36 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: know what she's balancing there. Please welcome to Money Making 37 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: Conversation master Class. The Incredible Star of Reasonable Doubt Now 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: Aaron on Hulu Ema Cornalty, How you doing, Hello, I'm 39 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: doing great. How are you well? First of all, you know, 40 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: when when I see a face like it, because I'm 41 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: a TV person, the TV person and uh and as 42 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: we go through this business, you know, you know, you 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: have scenes here and there, And so I started watching. 44 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: I got an early preview of the series. They sent 45 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: me a link, and I'm watching it, going she looks 46 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: so familiar, she looks so familiar. And so so I 47 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: go back to the bio and it says ballers, you 48 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: know at starting opposite Dwayne Johnson. So you were that 49 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: representative for the NFL, like Players Association and Ballers correct? Correct? Now, 50 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: when you when you get a role like that, because 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: that's you know, because you worked with Miles Davis, my 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: man David or Yellow you know, so you work with 53 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: a lot of individuals who command, you know, screen attention. 54 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: But you have to make your place on the screen 55 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: as well, not someone not using the words being intimidated. 56 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: How do you prepare for these relationships, these own screen 57 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: relationships with actors of that magnitude. Um, well, I think 58 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: that the best way that I've learned to prepare it 59 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: is just by being prepared, doing my best work. Um, 60 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: doing all the work that I can leading up to 61 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: you know, the first day of filming, because that gives 62 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: you a sense of freedom, you know, being able to 63 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: relax and being confident knowing that I've done my my 64 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: part to this point. And then once you get on set, 65 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: you know it's time to play. You know, I'm I'm 66 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, at my best, my co stars at their best, 67 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: and then it's just that's where all the fun happens, 68 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: you know. And so I think it's the preparation is 69 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: what allows you to have the confidence to just be 70 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: the preparations just key, I'll be honest. I cannot act. 71 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: You know. I started out my career my degrees in mathematics. 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: I I left IBM to pursue a career as a 73 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: stand up comedian. Um so I thought I was gonna 74 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: be the next Edit Murphrey. Definitely was gonna be the 75 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: next Richard Pride. And so you know, I found my 76 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: niche behind the screen, you know. And so so you know, 77 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: I produced talent Steve Harvey, one of my clients, you know, 78 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Steve and one of my clients, and so a lot 79 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: of you know, a lot of other clients that I 80 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: have on the roster. But that's that's where I was at. 81 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: And then you see a talent like a Carry Washington 82 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: who's directing the pilot, and we know what she can 83 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: do in front of the camera. Absolutely, what will you 84 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: see that is it? Is it preparing you for the 85 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: next move, maybe for you to be a producer or 86 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: a director, or what do you do when you see 87 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: what Karrie Washington is doing? Well, it's definitely inspirational, you know, 88 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: to see what Carry has done with her career and 89 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: how she navigates her career, you know, and to see 90 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: her now, um, fledgling out into different things like producing 91 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: and and directing. Um, it's very inspiring and encouraging and 92 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: and surely it is something that I would be interested 93 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: in doing at some point, because it's great to see 94 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: someone like Carrie who is taking charge of her career 95 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: and who wants to just do things. I'm in a 96 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: different space outside of just acting. She wants to, you know, 97 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: put her hands in other things, and I think it's fantastic. 98 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: I heard the word taking charge, you know. You know, 99 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: I've always that was one of the reasons why I 100 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: stop acting. Where I stopped doing stand up, I always 101 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: felt I was auditioning, and you know, I go in 102 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: and I thought I killed the audition and then they 103 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: come back well when with somebody else, which is really depressing. 104 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: It's really depressing. But I always felt that when I 105 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: went behind the camera, I felt I had a little 106 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: bit more control. I felt like, I know what you're saying, 107 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: but but let me say this though, because I think 108 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: that even as an actor you still have control. There 109 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: is still a sense of being in charge. It's all 110 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: about the power of no. That's what I've learned in 111 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: my career. You know, actors can sometimes think that you 112 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: just have to take every role, you have to take 113 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: every audition, but you don't. You do not. You can 114 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: navigate and create the kind of career that you want 115 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: to have and know that you do have the power. 116 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: You are in charge, and it doesn't necessarily mean that 117 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: you have to, you know, go and be a producer 118 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: or a writer to to be in charge of your 119 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: career as an actor. It's knowing that you have your 120 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 1: own agency to make your own choices. And I find 121 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: that that the one thing that I realized. Um a 122 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: lot of actors starting out, they think that, well, I 123 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: have to do this audition, I have to do what 124 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: my agent says, but you're paying them you're paying them 125 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: to get to the kind of roles that you want. 126 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: These everyone is working on your team so that you 127 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: can be the best that you can be. And so 128 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: I think once we as actors really realize that, that's 129 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: where the power comes and that's where the agency comes 130 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: in for you to create the kind of career that 131 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: you want, rather than sitting around and just waiting for 132 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: things to fall in your lap and then the next 133 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: thing you know, you looked up and you've got this 134 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: career that's not really what you wanted. Um And so 135 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: there's there's a way to navigate, and it's by having control. Well, 136 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: let's go back a little bit before we really get 137 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: into reasonable Doubt. Because of the fact that I see 138 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: a polished actress, I see a confident actress on Reasonable Doubt, 139 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: and I see an age actress. Where did you're coming 140 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: out of high school? Was it? Did you college? Talk 141 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: about some of the steps that encourage you to realize 142 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: that this not only was a dream but possibly can 143 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: become a career. Well, you know, it's it's funny. There's 144 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: a reason why this is full circle for me in 145 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: terms of playing the character of Jack's on Reasonable Doubt, 146 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: was because she's this powerful defense attorney. And I always 147 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: thought I wanted to be an attorney when I first, 148 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, when I was as a kid and what 149 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: do I want to do? I think I want to 150 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: be a lawyer. Um. And so that was my dream, 151 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, all the way up through high school and 152 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, now praying for college. And thankfully I realized early, 153 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: oh no, you don't want to be a lawyer, you 154 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: just want to play the lawyer. I realized I liked 155 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: the power of the strength in the core room. I 156 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: like the bad suits. I liked all of that, but 157 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: I liked nothing about the study of law, you know, 158 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: so before wasting all my money doing that. But it 159 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: was it was a real dream. It was my girlfriend 160 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: and I and we had already decided our firm was 161 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: gonna be core Naldi and Sweeney Incorporated. And I realized, okay, 162 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: you know what her name was, Tony, Tony, I think 163 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: I just want to be an actress. And she went 164 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: on to become an attorney. So we both found our space. Um. 165 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: But that was a pivotal moment for me because I 166 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: really realized, oh, you like the drama of being an attorney, 167 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: of being in that courtroom, you know. And by that 168 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: time I had already always um done a lot of 169 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, theater and summer theater and was plays all 170 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But I didn't know at that 171 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: moment that I wanted to be an actor, um just yet. 172 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: So it all kind of came together once I made 173 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: that realization in high school. And then from there it 174 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: was just full throttle, all throttle, just figuring it out 175 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: from there, you know, hitting the payment, all kinds of 176 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: you know, classes and auditions and everything, and and and 177 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: that was there. We'll be right back with more Money 178 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to 179 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. Originally from Houston, Texas. 180 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: So I moved to New York two in my stand 181 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: up Coming to Grid. Then I moved to l A 182 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: pursuing my career, and I did get levels of success 183 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: and I'm very proud to put on my resume today. 184 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: But again it's still it is that community that you 185 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: have to get with and people the hustle, you know, 186 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: people telling you about this audition, taking these classes, your chops, 187 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: When did you you know this is what we want 188 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: to do. I mean, y'all, but when you realize I 189 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: could actually do it? Uh, that's a good question. UM. 190 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of when with that moment have 191 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: hit me, when I realized, okay, you know what you 192 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: can you can do this. UM. I don't know nothing 193 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: sticking out of my head, but I do think there 194 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: was a project that came and there was a moment 195 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: where I had a disagreement with the director right, and UM, 196 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: I brought up my point of view to the director 197 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: and you know, he listened to what have you, but 198 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: he didn't think that it was the right the right choice. 199 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: But then later on he realized it was the right choice. 200 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: And I mean later on you know that day we 201 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: finished finished filming and he came to me. He said, 202 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: you were absolutely correct, and I think you for coming 203 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: to me. And I even told him that gave me 204 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: so much confidence because it let me know that I 205 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: can trust my instincts, Um, that I do have the 206 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: courage to you know, stand up for what I think 207 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: is right, you know, opposite someone who has all of this, 208 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: this experience and everything. UM. So it gave me a 209 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: lot of courage and I think that would would be 210 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: a moment where I realized, you know what, you can't 211 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: do this, you can't. And I'm glad you answered that, honestly, 212 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: because I tell people all the time, especially on this 213 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: show where it's listening on podcasts and watching the video 214 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: on YouTube or extreaming somewhere, is that that's the moment 215 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: that we all have in life. You know what we 216 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: have fear, you know, whether it changing jobs or you know, 217 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: because you can say that and other people on the say, 218 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: the actress or actors will look at you, going, she tripping, Okay, 219 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: she need she needed chill, she would need a chill. 220 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: She's not gonna be working no more. Because that's the 221 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: fear of what can happen in any job. Really, you know, 222 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: when you when you share your opinion, especially when they 223 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: said that this is how you want to go. I 224 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: remember I was working at IBM when I realized that, 225 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: and IBM and I said, when I realized that this 226 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: is how they wanted to do IBM, they didn't want 227 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: any extra new ideas. I went, that's not my job. 228 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I gotta go. And so you live in 229 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: the space where you can't be creative. And I talked 230 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: about your journey because you know, now being the star 231 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: of a serious Reasonable Doubt, there is another level of 232 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: responsibility to come to that. So let's go to the 233 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: part when they said you are the one to screens. 234 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Talk about the audition process and how 235 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: many times you went in? Did you put it on 236 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: tape when you sit in? How did the guy did 237 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: you get this opportunity to be the start Reasonable Doubt 238 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: which is now on Hulu. Um, well, you know it's 239 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: that is it's just another story because um, when it 240 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: came to me, I was already ready to do another project. 241 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: It was signed and delivered. In my opinion, you know, 242 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: I was this was it, this is what I was doing. 243 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: I had already had a yes, I was ready to 244 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: sign and that was that. And then my team brought 245 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: this and said you should take a look at this, 246 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: and I told them, no, I don't need to take 247 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: a look at this. This is what I'm doing. I'm 248 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: fine with this and that is it. But they were persistent, 249 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: and I think maybe about two weeks or so went 250 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: by and they said, you need to read this. We 251 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: liked this too, but we think that this is really 252 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: the one. Um. But I was gonna have to fight 253 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: for this one, and I just didn't know if I 254 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: wanted to fight for it. I had this one that 255 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: was great, I'm gonna do that, UM, but once I've 256 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: read it, that just changed everything. I saw what they saw, UM, 257 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: and I said, well, in me, you're gonna have to 258 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: just pull it out of you right now and do it, 259 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: because I didn't feel like I had it in that moment. 260 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: I was in a space where, you know, the other 261 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: opportunity I had was great, and you know, there was 262 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: no need to have to go and fight for something else. 263 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: And but once it became clear that that's what I 264 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: was gonna have to do, that was it. That was it, 265 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: you know. So I went in. This is obviously during 266 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: pandemic still, so everything is zoom UM. And so I 267 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: had an initial meeting with UM, with with the team, 268 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: with carry and everyone UM, and then I did the 269 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: first audition on tape and UM in the middle of 270 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: the audition and my camera went out, bone went out, 271 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: and I just said, you know what, that's it. You 272 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: just mess up the whole thing. You should have just 273 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: been up, you know, UM. And you know, by the 274 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: time it did come back going eventually, and you know, 275 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: I finished finish it. And after I finished, I felt, 276 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I think you I think 277 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: you got that. I don't know. I mean, I know 278 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: the camera went out. You know, I'm having this whole 279 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: internal monologue. But I felt like that like I had, 280 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, and I went to my to my prayer closet, 281 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: as I tend to do, you know, and just kind 282 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: of left it there. And then I find out that 283 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: I remember maybe a few days after that, and Carrie 284 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: and everyone called me, and I didn't know that's why 285 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: they were calling me. I thought they were just calling me, 286 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, and and uh, they did the FaceTime video 287 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: and that's when they told me I got the parts. 288 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: And then not to mention, I find out later from Ramla, 289 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: you know when your video went out, we already knew 290 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: you had the part. By that time, you know, we 291 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: had another lesson, you know what I mean, Just just 292 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: trust the process, trust what you what you're doing. Because 293 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: she said, yeah, we were all commenced. I was it. 294 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: You didn't even need to come back on the screen. Um, 295 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: So that was that was it. That was the process. 296 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: The next thing, I know, where year enough to start filming. Okay, Loud, 297 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: did you know a little history about it. You know, 298 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: she didn't want to be a lawyers. She always wanted 299 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: to be a lawyer on TV. Okay had a law 300 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: firm all picked up. But guess what law firms picked 301 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: out on TV? Um, this character you said, you said 302 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: you saw it, I gotta be there is a character 303 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta push myself. Talk tell us about 304 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: this character, Ema, y'all ten that you play as the 305 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: attorney Attorney Jack's as short for there's a nickname, that's 306 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: what it's called j X on this show. And why 307 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: you went, I gotta be Attorney Steward Man for the 308 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: same reasons that all of you have seen the show 309 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: when you watched the pilot, That's what I felt when 310 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: I when I read it, it was just so exciting. Um, 311 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: it was it had a kinetic energy to it that 312 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: I hadn't felt in a long time. And this lead character, 313 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: Jack's hadn't seen a woman like her in this way 314 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: on TV. You know, we've, thankfully, we've had a lot 315 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: of strong black women on TV, you know, especially the 316 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: number one being you know, um carry with Olivia Pope. 317 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: But what what happened We've had quite a few, Um, but 318 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: Jack's is very different. Jack stands in a league of 319 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: her own, and she's very different from the others that 320 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: we've had, and that attributed to Ramla and the way 321 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: that she's crafted this this story in this world around Jack's, 322 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: you know, we get to see her interpersonal life in 323 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: a way that we don't often get to see with 324 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: black women, especially professional black women, who are supposed to 325 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: be just polished and put together and you know, you 326 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: don't have time for any of the any of the mess, 327 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: any rough ends, and we get to see all of 328 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: her you know, rough edges and all of the mess 329 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: and coming up part of the seams. And that is 330 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: what I love the most about Jack's because that's that's life. 331 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: You know. Those are the women that I know who 332 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: are trying to juggle a marriage, a career, a family, 333 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, dynamics with with your parents, you know, girlfriends, 334 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: all of the things, and maybe not holding all the 335 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: balls up in the air at the same time, you know, 336 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: because that's part of the burden of being a woman, 337 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: and part of the burden of being a black woman 338 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: for sure, is that we have to keep all the 339 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: balls up in the air. Um. So we get to 340 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: see Jack trying to figure out what happens and feel 341 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: them start to fall. There's three friends of mine that 342 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: you remind me of because of their life. You know, 343 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: high profile attorneys. I know, I know that culture surrounded 344 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: by white men. You know, I want to be partners 345 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: or partners at these law firms. But the part that 346 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: really separates is that this is a very sexually aware 347 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: of character. So who she is, and I think that's 348 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: what that's what really separates it from a lot of 349 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: other characters that you've seen white are Black on TV 350 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: is that this character is willing to go there and 351 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: when that was part of the script, what ran through 352 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: your mind? And I'm not saying anything selations anybody, but 353 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: she knows what I'm talking about. This is a character 354 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: that understands she's beautiful, understand what she wants. Sometimes she 355 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: made demand what she wants and she would be frustrated 356 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: if she doesn't get what she wants and later be known. 357 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: But more importantly, that's what successful people do. But usually 358 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: that's a man that's doing it. In your case, your 359 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: woman to death play on your mind like that? Well, yes, 360 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: you know because just being a woman, especially again a 361 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: black woman on TV, we don't get to live in 362 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: in that kind of space. You know. It generally is 363 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, the the white actresses who get to have 364 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: all of the mess and everything going on and you know, 365 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: sexually free and what happened without any judgment and at times, um, 366 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: there there's judgment that can be attached, you know. And 367 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: so with this they're just there's such a relatability to 368 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: to Jack's you know, um that a lot of women 369 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: have said that they that they feel you know about 370 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: her in her um, in her freedom of being, you know, 371 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: very aware of her sexuality or what have you, you know, 372 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: and that's what is most exciting to me because women 373 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: are connecting to that very thing, and that is the 374 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: very thing. When I read the script, I said, oh 375 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: my god, you know, because I'm not necessarily as you know, 376 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: free as that. Um. That's what I look forward to 377 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: to to to play with, you know, because that is life, 378 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And we find ourselves in 379 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: these situations and and what are you going to do? 380 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: And so it's fun to see how Jack's navigates the world. 381 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: I love. She said said, Look, I'm free, but ain't 382 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: thing it's free. I'm not just freaking if I'll be 383 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: stopping the streets. This is a character I play on TV. Now, 384 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: don't be messing with me. Now, let's be clear. Let's 385 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: be clear. This is a character. Jack Stewart is a 386 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: character I got. I got. I play a different car, 387 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: different cars. And that's what I love about the character. 388 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: I love about the fact that you know there there's 389 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: a lot of mystery with the men in your life too. Okay, 390 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: you know your husband there, I really don't understand him. 391 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: I really don't get him. And then Michael Eally, I 392 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: really don't understand him either. When you're in and then 393 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: when you're in the boardroom with the white men, they 394 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: might be nervous. There's a little edge to you, you know. 395 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: So so if you can and you can kind of 396 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: wrap me up. First of all, let's start with your 397 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: not trying to give away much of us the plot line, 398 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: but all but there is an interesting relationship with there. 399 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: We used the word marriage in here, but it's not 400 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: really a marriage in the story. And then Ealie, who's 401 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: introduced basically in a lot of half of the pilot, 402 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: there's something dynamic there and he's he wants to leave jail. 403 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: And then the men that you work with and then uh, 404 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: you know it's really I would just tell you something. 405 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: Your skill level, it's fantastic. You do a natural confidence 406 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: and sexuality that is not offensive. But we know it's there. 407 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: We know you, BEAUTI we know you. You know you 408 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: you struct your stuff while you have the ability to 409 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: do it, but it has nothing to do it I 410 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: can be me. But it does impact your your husband, 411 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: it does impact the job, and also Michael Eally and 412 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: his decision making. Let's start with your husband. Well, you 413 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: know how to disagree with you when you say, you 414 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: know that is it's not a marriage. It is a marriage, 415 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: and I think it represents, um, a lot of the 416 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: marriages right now, you know where you just don't even 417 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: know anymore what's wrong. But something is wrong. You can't 418 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: quite put your finger on it. It's been so many 419 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: things building up and it's just you you don't even 420 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 1: know anymore. UM. And that's kind of what what Jackson 421 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: Lewis are going through right now, you know. And and 422 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: when the show starts, they are separated, um, and they're 423 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: trying to figure out do they have something to get 424 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: back too. But in the midst of that they don't 425 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: even know they don't know, you know. And that's what 426 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: I love about the representation of the marriage is because 427 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: I think it's very realistic, you know, because you just 428 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: don't you're you're you aren't quite always able to put 429 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: your finger on the thing. It's not just you know, 430 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: you didn't squeeze the toothpaste up, you didn't put the 431 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: toe down. You know, it's a series of things that 432 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: have now gotten you to this point where you know 433 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 1: you're thinking about throwing it all the way. Um. And 434 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: I do think that Jackson's um her confidence, you know, Um, 435 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: the very things that make her the woman that she 436 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: is in her career can kind of cause a bit 437 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: of friction in her marriage, you know, because she's she 438 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: can just steamroll and go, you know, straight ahead and 439 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: not realize that she may be hurting people in the process. Um. 440 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: And I think as it pertends to to to damon 441 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, that's a relationship where you know, professionally, UM, 442 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: they have this this history, you know, and you start 443 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: to see over the course of the show, UM, a 444 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: lot of different things come out that are informing um 445 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: who they are where they are now. UM. So I'm 446 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: just gonna leave the demon one right there I'll tell 447 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: you something, my fans. I'm telling fans, listen to me 448 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: now when you watch reasonable doubts starting emmy, I'll take carnality. 449 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: It's oh, Lou, you're gone. The pilot probably the second 450 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: episode would probably have air, um where where for four 451 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: episodes right now? Apologists, right, that's correct, And uh, I 452 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: just I just saw that. They just sent them all 453 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: to me and so I'm just watching them. So I 454 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: don't know when they're aired or not, but just don't 455 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: currently on Hulu right now streaming now. The marriage, I 456 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: want you to tell me what y'all think of that marriage? Okay, 457 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: I want y'all tell I want y'all tell, tell Emma, 458 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: y'all on on on social media, what y'all think of 459 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 1: that man's isn't a traditional marriage? Isn't a typical marriage 460 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 1: like you just exposed to us on our show? Rishan said, maybe. 461 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: But more importantly, you, my friend, are a star. Let 462 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: me go. Let me gonna get your flowers. Okay, get 463 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: your flowers. I can't take my eyes off on your 464 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: on screen. That's a positive. I don't know who you are, 465 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: and that's a mystery to the character. When I say 466 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: that that's a good thing because I don't know where 467 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: you're going sometimes, you know, I feel that your character 468 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: exudes confidence and can intimidate what you support the character 469 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: is supposed to do. When you're certain environments and they 470 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: don't want to talk to you, are you there and 471 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: you and feel compromised because women have been talking in 472 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: a certain way in the boys club, not to have 473 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: a powerful female in the room, and they don't want 474 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: to always talk like they want to talk in the 475 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: boys club. But what you're doing is changing television in 476 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: a good way. And uh, I can all I can 477 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: say is being the star reasonable doubt, working with a 478 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: good friend of mine Michael Eally, directed and produced by 479 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: Kara Washington Larry Willmore. You're surrounded by talent that people 480 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: who have a history of creative success, and you just 481 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: shining life for the next level of stars. Uh, not 482 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: only with your skin tone, I don't know what your 483 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: your talent, but not only with the ability to be 484 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: able to communicate. Do not stop and keep growing your brand. 485 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Well, I appreciate 486 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: more that I can get to watch you and streaming Hulu. 487 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: She said my name correctly. I said her name colors. Y'all, 488 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: I think I think we want on this show, right. 489 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: We really did so again Hulu, reasonable doubts start and 490 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: y'alls a carnaldy and my boy Michael ellis coming in. 491 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: He's coming in strong. He's coming to Strong and I 492 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: work with him and he did my two of my 493 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: movies Thinking like a Man, Thinking like Man too. That's 494 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: our history. So y'all, you keep winning. We're talking soon, okay, 495 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: keep being the star. Bye, Thank you and thank you 496 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: for coming on Money Making Conversation Masterclass. We'll be right 497 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. 498 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: You are now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute 499 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: of Inspiration with Rashan McDonald. Hi Rashan McDonald for Money 500 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: Making Conversation master Class with your daily minute of Inspiration. 501 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: This week, I Said That With comedian actress host producer 502 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: Arthur Kim Whitley. She explains why it is important to 503 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: make sure you feel good inside and out. I'm a 504 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: firm I'm a really really firm believer in how you 505 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: feel on the inside will come out on the outside. 506 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: A lot of water is what they really make you drink. 507 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: You stay hydrated, skin is gonna look good. Being happy 508 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: on the inside. Um, I think it comes out because 509 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: people are always like, You're always so happy. You try 510 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: to maintain that because I like to be an inspiration 511 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: to so many people. And when I look good and 512 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: feel good, then I'm even happier. You know. It's it's 513 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: an up and down thing. You know. Even if I 514 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: lost through the college, you know, I might have gained 515 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: something back right now, and now it's just I get 516 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: back on the journey. I mean, I never stopped. Listen 517 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: to this four interview with Kim Whitley. It's available on 518 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: Mighty Making Conversation dot com. Now let's return to Money 519 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. My guest is Steve Phillips. 520 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: He is a New York Times bestselling author, columnist, and 521 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: leading national political thought leader, and that's why he's on 522 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: the show. He is the author of New York Times 523 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: and Washington Post bestselling Brown is the New White How 524 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: the Demographics Revolution has created a New American Majority. He's 525 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: on the show discuss his new book, How We Win 526 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: the Civil War? How We Win the Civil War? Does 527 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: that sound time? I think so? The book is available 528 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: for purchase in storage right now and online. Please walk 529 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: on the money Making Conversation Master asked the one and 530 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: only Steve Phillips. How you do, Steve, I'm good, Thanks 531 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: for having me. I ain't glad to be here where 532 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: you based that, Steve, it's San Francisco, California, your West 533 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: Coast guy. When I when you, when you're here West Coast, 534 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: you're here. You know liberalism, you know they very uh 535 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: want to want to protect the earth. You know the 536 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: electric car came out of there, you know they you know, 537 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: uh right of the woman has to have the right, 538 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, abortions and all these things are favorably received 539 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: in that part of the country. I'm in the South. 540 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm born and raised in Houston, Texas. I now live 541 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: in Georgia. I just want to get that perspective because 542 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: you're living in that environment. I'm living in this environment, 543 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: so really being inundated by two different messages. So I 544 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: think that's really gonna help our conversation because I want 545 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: to talk to you because in your book, I feel 546 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: that it's necessary. The messages you're trying to say is 547 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: that there's a denial being happened out there, and it's 548 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: happening out there because there is a white majority out there. 549 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: They really wants to keep status quo no matter what. 550 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: And then maybe and they've shown in January six that 551 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: violence is an option and they will use it. When 552 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: you wrote this book, what is your perspective? Yeah, very 553 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: much so and and just uh so, I don't fully 554 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: get distored in terms of my I live in San Francisco, 555 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: and I've been out here since I went to college 556 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: and then fully realized reading the Stanfordshire. But I grew 557 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: up in Cleveland, Ohio originally. My grandfather was a minister 558 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: at Glenville Church of God there. My nephew and his 559 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: family live in Houston, and one of the states that 560 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: we feature is Georgia in the book, Yes You Do, 561 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: Yes and So Uh. Fundament I went to it for 562 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: two reasons. One is I wanted to try to explain 563 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: what is going on in the US politics at this 564 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: point in time in this country and to have people 565 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: understand the intensity and ferocity of the opposition, uh, and 566 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: that there really are people. And the title how We 567 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: Win the Civil War is I show try to show 568 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: that the Confederates have never stopped fighting. The actual civil 569 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: War and ins and have not stopped the efforts to 570 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: try to make this fundamentally a white country. In that 571 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: that battle about whether it's gonna be a white country 572 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: or multiracial democracy continues to rage. It continues to rage 573 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: most intensely in the South because that is where people, 574 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: that is where slavery took place. That's where the majority 575 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: of people of color, both Afrimericans and uh Latinos and 576 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: large numbers ofvations are. But it's also because of that 577 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: those are the areas that also for the most promise 578 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: in terms of really being able to change this country 579 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: and being able to make the kind of society that 580 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: we say that we want to have. And it is 581 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: places exactly like Harris County, places like Georgia as well 582 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: as Arizona, Virginia that are on the cunning edge of 583 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: this fight to make the country finally the multiracial democracy 584 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: that uh IT professors to be. Well, Steve, I didn't 585 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: want to like to say that that that was your 586 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: you were born and raised in California, apologize if that was. 587 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to set this conversation tone for right 588 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: now present because it allows us to have a perspective, 589 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,239 Speaker 1: what's going on, you know, in California, and what's going 590 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: on in Georgia, which is featured in the book. And 591 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: I happened to be front and center. You know, at 592 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,239 Speaker 1: the time this, uh, this interview is happening, you know, 593 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: early election is starting for the Brian Kemp and the 594 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: with just Day Abrahams and then the Herschel Walker and 595 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: their uh Raphael Wanac for the Senate seat to highly 596 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: contested things that are going on. This really can change 597 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: the face of politics in this country on this date. 598 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: It's also how it may happen in other states. Philadelphia 599 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: is one of the other states out there as well 600 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: Texas as a central It's a totally different animal. And 601 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: I I lived there, my daughter went to school there, 602 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: I graduate from there. That's a whole different conversation. Now 603 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: when you talk about your perspective, what's going on in California, 604 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: when you when you sit down, you see politics as 605 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: they have been played on in California. Well, it's interesting 606 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: because it's on both on levels and so on one level, 607 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: California has been a breakthrough. And then my previous book, 608 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: Ground is the New White I talked about how California 609 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: is an example of what is possible going from a 610 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: state that was a formerly very conservatives, the political birthplace 611 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: of Roald Reagan and Richard Nixon, and had been the 612 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: one of the bastions of um you know, frankly pro 613 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: white politics within this country. Reagan got elected in the 614 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: governor in nine sixty six by running out a platform 615 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: of law and order in response to the urban rebellions 616 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: and places like Watts and so that the California has 617 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: now gone through its own demographic revolution. Californy, there was 618 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: there's actually a book by the author Joel Taylor Gibbs 619 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: called Preserving Privilege where she talks about the early nineties 620 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: in California, and there was an anti bidngal education, antiimm 621 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: A grace, and an anti um UH three strikes legislation 622 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: that all passed, which were all reactions to the changing 623 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: diversity within the state. But we're we've gone through that 624 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: now in California has an overall very progressive majority able 625 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: to you know, I think Biden one by like thirty 626 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: points here in California, Republican has on one statewide in 627 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: twenty years. And so on the one hand, we are 628 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: through that initial fight to say that yes, there should 629 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: be a multiracial democracy, but then we're facing the next 630 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: level of challenges now. And so we were like me 631 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: still even on the electoral Biden when we did not 632 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: pass a ballot measure around UM institutionalizing a format of 633 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: action in California. And then now there's a lot of 634 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: controversy in Los Angeles where there's tensions between Latinos and 635 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: African Americans about who's gonna have which group is going 636 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: to have more powers. So the challenges of building multiracial 637 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: unity are some of the things that we're confronting in California. 638 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: But I do highlight the San Diego experience I think 639 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: as a real model and example people from African Americans 640 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: and Latinos doing civic engagement work to change the composition 641 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: of that electorate. Electing many more progressive people, passing progressive policies, 642 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: moving more money UM to UH social services, and more 643 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: socially progressive endeavors is an example of what we should 644 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: be doing. But I think with California reflects is kind 645 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: of this next level of challenge. Once you make some 646 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: of these original breakthroughs, Thank you for responding like that. 647 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes you know are born in an inner city. You know, 648 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: six sisters, two brothers. H father was a truck driver 649 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: for third grad education. So shotgun house too, very shotgun house. 650 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: So that's where I was born, and so there's a 651 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: lot of people perceive people where I was born like them, 652 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: not us. And so that to me is always champions 653 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: the the the inability to unite in communi edication. First 654 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: of all, you know, you know, you section off who 655 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: you don't want to be associated with, and it looked 656 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: just like you, and then you worry about your crabbing 657 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 1: the barrel moment. I'm just trying to hold on to me, 658 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: and so you start section with a group of people 659 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: who really don't care about you, but need your participation 660 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: so they can have power. And so that was a 661 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: signal that I read from your book in the sense 662 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: of I live in the state of Georgia, which flipped 663 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: and now it's trying to flip back. And I tell 664 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: you right now, Steve, watching television is horrible. It is 665 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: the the the you know, herschel Walker, his wife talking about, 666 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, putting the gun to his head. He's a liar, 667 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: you know. You think back to Donald Trump. He was 668 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: talking about grabbing women's private areas. Somehows like, oh, that's 669 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: what you did in the past, that's not him today. 670 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: What shifted that? When? When when moral content conduct didn't 671 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: matter anymore politics? Well, this is the point that I was, 672 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, trying to make it around. They're not playing 673 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: of the same set of rules. And so if we 674 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: were all in the same society and the same social contract, 675 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: in the same constitution, there would be some level of 676 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: morality and shame and and and and consequence. But that's 677 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: not what we're doing. And that's one of the most 678 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: dangerous things of what Trump discovered is that he could 679 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: get away with anything so long as he was seen 680 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: as the champion of white people. And that I recently 681 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: would a column about this in terms and for The Guardian. 682 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: In terms of Trump was pulling at four percent in 683 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: the polls before he got into the presidential race back 684 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: in May with two thousand fifteen. When he started attacking 685 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: Mexicans and starting sending the signal that he was going 686 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: to be the champion and the defender of white people, 687 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: he zoomed up in the pulse and he became the 688 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: front runner within him a month and obviously never looked back. 689 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: And so what and then so he consistently found that 690 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: the rules did not apply, and as long as the 691 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: only rule was he continued champion whiteness, including the national 692 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: election where all fifty governors say you lost. You don't 693 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: have to listen to that either. And so Herschel Walkers 694 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: and his recruit in finding again somebody who has absolutely 695 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: zero qualifications to be in any kind of elected office, 696 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: let alone the United States Senate. But because he's the 697 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: champion of the Trump wing of the country, they overlook everything. 698 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: And that's one of the fundamental messages. I think that 699 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: that is a reflection of the fact that we are, 700 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: in fact, in the Civil War. They're engaged in the 701 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: civil war where there no rules matter except can they 702 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: actually get power and advance their objectives. I speaking to 703 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: Steve Phillips, New York Tasks best selling author Brown Is 704 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: the New White. We're on the show the day talking 705 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: about how we can win the civil war, securing the 706 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: multiracial democracy and an Indian white supremacy for good. Um, 707 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: I wish we could do that. I think that Indian 708 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: white supremacy is so good because we don't back in 709 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: the day. They well, who's back in the day, and 710 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: they still do it. But but there's another group of 711 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: white supremacist who um control social media, who drove banks, 712 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: who have always there but blatelyly doing it, and and 713 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: with social media kind of like flaunting it. We all 714 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: know that through social media, one can say that that's 715 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: how Donald Trump won his electorate. And I think that 716 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: when you talk about the moment of Donald Trump and 717 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: there and the whole Mexican migration to the Texas was 718 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: when he flew down into the helicopter, landed and pointed, 719 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: this is where I'm gonna build the wall. When he 720 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 1: said that moment, that was one of the great moments 721 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: of marketing. And that's when you know what you cannot 722 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: take away from Donald Trump. He's a marketing genius and 723 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: he went to marketing instead of running. He said, I'm 724 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: gonna play on those different people. Now, I wanna switch 725 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: to another more recent person who made a statement and 726 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: not a major debate with a friend of mine, Stephen A. Smith, 727 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,479 Speaker 1: and he said that this moment that you talked about, 728 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: President Biden says that we're in a battle for the 729 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: soul of the nation. Biden specifically named and called Donald 730 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: Trump and mega Republicans as the ones attacking our democracy. 731 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: This is an important step in the right direction. I agree. 732 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: I was excited that President Biden did that. He totally mean. 733 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: Stephen Asmith totally disagree. I felt it was time for 734 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 1: the the Democratic Party to acknowledge there's a problem racism exists. 735 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: I feel they've always said on the Southern on the sideline, 736 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: oh me, it's all good, we can all get along. 737 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Well, I think, but I think 738 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: what Biden did was actually correct and necessary and also 739 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: not even going far enough. So the introduction to the 740 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: title of my book is titled a choice between Democracy 741 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 1: and the Whiteness Yes, and that that is drawn from 742 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: a phrase that Taylor Taylor Branch, the author of the Party, 743 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: Party in the Water series, said in reflection about the 744 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: rise of white domestic terrorism during the Trump administration, and 745 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 1: so that people would not stand for becoming a minority 746 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: in their own country. The real question is offered a 747 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: choice between democracy and whiteness. How many would choose whiteness? 748 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: And so it's very clear that Donald Trump and Tatanessy 749 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: coachs is written eloquently about this in the in the Atlantic, 750 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: is that the essence of Trump's power is whiteness. And 751 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: this is and he continually displayed it throughout his administration, 752 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: defending the Confederates, talking about, you know, people of Congress 753 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: with women of colors, go back where they came from, etcetera. 754 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: And so the country had a choice on January six 755 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: between democracy and whiteness, and and many people stormed the 756 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: capital to stop democracy, and they stormed the capital to 757 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 1: put in place this champion of white people. And that 758 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: the majority of Republicans in the in the Congress actually 759 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: supported that, and the vast majority of Republicans in the 760 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: country support that. That's so that's what President Biden was 761 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: talking about, was this grouping of people who do not 762 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: subscribe to the Constitution. And we have and that is 763 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: the battle for the soul of the nation. Are we 764 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: gonna be a white country? Are we going to be 765 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: a multiracial nation? And it needs to be both called 766 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: out and engage. And the irony is that the way 767 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 1: to maximize white support in the battle to make America 768 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 1: multiracial country is to challenge and summon them to stand 769 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 1: on the side of multiracial devices. And there have always 770 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: been progressive whites who have been there throughout the years. 771 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: Um but they've been a minority, call a meaningful minority. 772 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: But as that's what Obama did when Obama gave this 773 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: race speech and in April two thousand and eight, where 774 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: he said that racism is a real thing and it's 775 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: an ongoing present piece. But then he challenged and inspired 776 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: people to step up and to try to overcome it. 777 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what President Biden was trying 778 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: to do and he's I think position to do it. 779 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: As a white person. I definitely think that that is 780 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: where we are at in this country. We'll be right 781 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, 782 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. Well, 783 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: you know interesting, Um, in your book, you said the 784 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,240 Speaker 1: Civil War never ended, and I agree with that because 785 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with being black in this country. I'm 786 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: not comfortable with being a person of color in this country. 787 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with a police person stopping me in 788 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: this country. I'm not comfortable, Um, just just mingling with 789 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: white people. Are walking with a white woman and somebody 790 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: think we're dating in this country. Um, So how do 791 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: you so you know we like to see you know, 792 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: white supremacy in but wen can once start getting comfortable. 793 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: I would ask you the question, Steve, you know, when 794 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: do you want transition to the fact that they are 795 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: not being judged by the color of the skin, because 796 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 1: we do every day, as you know yourself, you're judged 797 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: by the color of your skin. How do we get 798 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: past that as a race? Well, that there's levels to it, 799 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: and Dr King used to talk about that you can't 800 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: legislate um attitudes, but you can legislate behavior, and so 801 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: I think that's the initial standpoint. So is really being 802 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: able to build a multiracial majority that can take governing 803 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: power and can create institutions which govern in the interests 804 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,760 Speaker 1: of the actual multiracial majority, That we have police forces 805 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,720 Speaker 1: that are about public safety for people of all races 806 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: and not about confining and attacking black people, that have 807 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: schools that are about educating all children of all races 808 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 1: about the realities of this country and not whitewashing history. 809 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: So when we get the positions of power through this 810 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 1: multiracial majority, then governing in the interest of the society 811 00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: is probably Obama one. Obama had very little support from 812 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: Republicans and the minority of support from whites, but he 813 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: passed the health care bill which benefited everybody. Yes, and 814 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: so that I feel is a lot of what the 815 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: way forward is. And then if we do, in fact 816 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: um also lean into the education UH system and the 817 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: content of the education, the people understand the true nature 818 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: of the history and the challenges we face in this country. 819 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: All polls so that younger people are in fact more 820 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: progressive by and large around these types of issues, and 821 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: that they're more diverse. The majority of people under eighteen 822 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: are people of color, and so that bodes well. But 823 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,760 Speaker 1: in the in this particular moment, we have to really 824 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: engage to orient our society towards that population, which is 825 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: a big part of why I'm glad they did the 826 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: debt relief piece for the student UH student loans part 827 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: because that's a key population within this country that has 828 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: offers great hope for the future. Well, you know, the 829 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 1: thing about it is that when you talk about white 830 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: person white supremacy, what they control the media and the 831 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, the Obama passed the the medical relief program, 832 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: it became the Obama Healthcare program, which means that the 833 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: white supremacists made it a racial issue. They made it 834 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,919 Speaker 1: seem like it was a black people were the only 835 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: people benefiting from this, when the welfare program has always 836 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: been seen as a program that's only benefit minority. Are 837 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: black people as white supremacy working working working behind the 838 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: scenes on that not not acknowledging that they benefits the 839 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: entire country. It seems that whenever their programs that benefit 840 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: all the white person, white supremacy, since organizations are working 841 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: in the background and say, yeah, but we won't tell 842 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: everybody that. Just make it just pro black. Just make that. 843 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: Let's make the Obamacare just pro black. In fact, we're 844 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: gonna put Obamacare, We're gonna put the name Obama attached 845 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: to it to make it really sound black. And then 846 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: welfare system, let's make it black to all these programs 847 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: to get out there. You know, they have a good way. 848 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the white supremacists that we're trying to end, 849 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,280 Speaker 1: have a good way of flipping the script and making 850 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,879 Speaker 1: it black. That is a hard problem to overcome when 851 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: they have that much power. Well, that's the battle that 852 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 1: we're in. That we're the we're in this moment. We're 853 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: in an existential fight over is this gonna be a 854 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: white country or multiracial country. Are we going to? Which 855 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,760 Speaker 1: direction we're gonna go? We had the first black president 856 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: that was then followed by one of the most pro 857 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: white nationals presidents that we've had in a long time. 858 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,399 Speaker 1: He was fortunately ousted. So what direction are we going 859 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,320 Speaker 1: to go in? And that's the battle of this moment, 860 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,359 Speaker 1: that's really gonna be the battle of twenties, is that 861 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: can we in fact enshrine this multiracial majority that exists 862 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: in the country but doesn't yet necessarily have governing and 863 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 1: political power. And that's why I wrote this book and 864 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: trying to send this message that we have that we 865 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: are in this fight, but we also have ways to win, 866 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: that we are in fact the majority, and we are 867 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: winning in places like Harris County, like Georgia, like Arizona. 868 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: If we look to those lessons and those leaders, people 869 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: like Stacy Abrahams, then we'll be able to make the 870 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,319 Speaker 1: type of progress we need to be able to win 871 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: this fight. Let me have I'm a whole of that state. Throw. 872 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking to Steve Phillips how we win the Civil War? 873 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: His book is incredible. Are reading them interviewing them on 874 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 1: the show about this book? Stay if stay because this 875 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: interview will air prior to the midtern of elections. If 876 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: Stacy Ace Abrams loses, are we have we lost in 877 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,399 Speaker 1: your mission to end the Civil War or to end 878 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: a win the Civil War, or to end white supremacy 879 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: If she loses, No, because this is a long term struggle, 880 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: and so that we've been engaged is taking all of 881 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,319 Speaker 1: these different levels. And then we didn't have the right 882 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: to vote, we didn't have the right to walk the 883 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: streets free. And so Stacy's is the latest battle in 884 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: this really four hundred years struggle for us to have 885 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: h democracy and freedom within this country. And she is 886 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: all in many ways, Stacy has already one through the 887 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: work that she did to transform the electorate, that won 888 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: the state for Biden, and that elected Warnock and Ausa, 889 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 1: and transformed the composition of the entire United States Senate 890 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 1: in the United States Congress. That's Stacy's work, and so 891 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,760 Speaker 1: that work goes on regardless of what the specific results 892 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,760 Speaker 1: are um just coming November, and that she is clearly 893 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,399 Speaker 1: one of the brightest, most courageous leaders that exist within 894 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,240 Speaker 1: the country, and she will continue to lead and continue 895 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: to help us make progress whatever happens in November. There's 896 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 1: been said that Steve that we are a two party country, 897 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: Republican and Democrats. You got the independence that this in 898 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: the Libertarians, but they don't really have power. All they 899 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: do is kind of like coming in and make noise. 900 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: They said that because we have a two party country, 901 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,399 Speaker 1: we have two party count Republicans. That's the problem. That's 902 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: the problem. You know, we made promises to commit, especially Democrats, 903 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,840 Speaker 1: they have made promises after promises to black people and 904 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 1: then they kind of like resind those so they can 905 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 1: hold on to the white volte. Is a two party 906 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: system a major default in what you're trying to achieve 907 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: and win into civil war. I don't think it's the 908 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: party issue, and that my political baptism was in the 909 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: Rainbow Coalition days Jesse Jackson's campaigns, where he was working 910 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,879 Speaker 1: in the context of the Democratic Party. But I think 911 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: that's a greater reflection of what the coalition should be. 912 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: The Rainbow Coalition ideal that people of colored, progressive whites, 913 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: when the old minorities come together, they comprise a new 914 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 1: majority and can manifest that through whatever or whichever political 915 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,319 Speaker 1: party man exists. So it's not fundamentally party as much 916 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,319 Speaker 1: as vision of what the country is. There is a 917 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: party which thinks this is primarily a white country, and 918 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,800 Speaker 1: there's a party that thinks this is primarily a multiracial country. 919 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 1: But I would argue they don't lean enough into that, 920 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,879 Speaker 1: which is what my work has been. But I think 921 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: that there is the greatest potential there and the current structure, 922 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,280 Speaker 1: and it allows us to the possibility to transform this country. 923 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,479 Speaker 1: And I don't think that the party's structure that's holding 924 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,719 Speaker 1: us back. It's participating in the electoral process where we 925 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 1: still have millions of people of color who are not 926 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,799 Speaker 1: voting in the fact, if and when we do, that's 927 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 1: when we can have the greatest changes. Absolutely, That's what 928 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: got the President of Obama in office was when we 929 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: all step to the play now. So President Biden got 930 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,799 Speaker 1: in the office, especially when he named uh uh Vice 931 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: President Kamala Harris as his running mate. And so so 932 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,000 Speaker 1: those moments of you know, like I said that, you know, 933 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 1: we see um the way they they alter voting laws, 934 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: how they alter voting a redisteranting. All these things are 935 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 1: done when you have power. When we talk about ending 936 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: the civil war, I talk about my color, I talk 937 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,479 Speaker 1: about my child's color, as she lives his life beyond there. 938 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 1: If you had to say a couple of things, and 939 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: you say this in your book, and my goal when 940 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: I would do influential authors like that not to give 941 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: away your book. I want them to buy your book. 942 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 1: So I would like for the author to put in 943 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 1: the words that would allow people to understand what you're 944 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: trying to say. Are we talking about a hundred years 945 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 1: from now? Are we talking about two hundred years from 946 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,800 Speaker 1: now that we have to live in this horrible life 947 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: of uncertainty where your color does matter, especially in racial situations. 948 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 1: How does one win the Civil War? Is it certain 949 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,680 Speaker 1: pockets like in San Diego other other identifiable cities that 950 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 1: to understand the value of racial harmony wins for everybody? 951 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 1: How what is that timeline? Sir? I really believe that 952 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,840 Speaker 1: the twenties are in fact the key area in terms 953 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: of what we're actually facing, and that this next four 954 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: or five years are going to be critical and in 955 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,279 Speaker 1: that and we cant and we continue the progress of 956 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 1: the places like Texas, Georgia, Arizona. Can we continue to 957 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,240 Speaker 1: flip places like Florida, North Carolina, which are in fact possible. 958 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,200 Speaker 1: And if we do that, then we will in fact 959 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,280 Speaker 1: be able to be far along on the road towards 960 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,280 Speaker 1: winning the Civil War. We at one point this country 961 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,040 Speaker 1: was white. Now I think that number is down to 962 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: so that only encourages white supremacists that say, we have 963 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: to save ourselves, we have to protect our rights, we 964 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: have to carry our guns, we have to throw, as 965 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: they say, not only fear mongerers, but white mongerers. They're 966 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: holding onto their place in line. And so as that 967 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: number keeps shrinking, I honestly believe this is my thoughts, 968 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,920 Speaker 1: is that if something negative was to happen from the 969 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,919 Speaker 1: Standford legally for Trump, he would only add more fear 970 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: to the fire. I really believed that he could leave 971 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,399 Speaker 1: this country down a path of violence. M I overreacted 972 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 1: to that, Steve, or use every shard. I hope my breath, 973 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,399 Speaker 1: because you may be right. No, well, we already had. 974 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,880 Speaker 1: They already happened that they stormed the United States capital, 975 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: tax law enforcement officers, UM, multiple people died and so 976 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: and then Trump was quite pleased with all of that. 977 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,359 Speaker 1: So there's absolutely that that potential exist. But again, if 978 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 1: we participate, if we run, if we vote, if we win, 979 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,279 Speaker 1: if we could control of our socibal institutions. Then we 980 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,720 Speaker 1: can enforce the laws. We can enforce equality in ways 981 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,560 Speaker 1: that will move us forward. You know that it's always 982 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,719 Speaker 1: like when you read a great book Steve, how we 983 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,319 Speaker 1: win the Civil War, security and multiracial democracy and Endian 984 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 1: white supremacy for good. That means I gotta go get 985 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: the other book, Brown is the New White, another one 986 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 1: than your best sellers. I want to thank you for 987 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,320 Speaker 1: coming on Money Making Conversation Date. I'll do these interviews 988 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 1: all the time. It feels like I've only been talking 989 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 1: to you for five minutes. We're at twenty six minutes 990 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,160 Speaker 1: and counting. And this is not only your book as 991 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 1: a brilliant read, but the information that we're talking about 992 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,600 Speaker 1: is so rivetine that the time just flies. And I 993 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 1: hope that we are able to create change with books 994 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,120 Speaker 1: like this. And I do believe what you're saying, and 995 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,800 Speaker 1: this the time is now for us to start changing. 996 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,759 Speaker 1: The time is now for us to be honest. And 997 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: it only happens when authors like you, writers like you 998 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: write on his books. Thank you for writing this book, 999 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: and thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation Masterclass. 1000 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I enjoyed it. 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Recently I spoke with two time Emmy 1010 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,520 Speaker 1: nominated actor, producer, comedian, youth pastor and author of Blessed Mode, 1011 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 1: Cal Mitchell. He addresses the importance of following the path 1012 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 1: of righteousness and always leading with love. Righteousness is just 1013 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 1: really being obedient to God and thinking, uh, and the 1014 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,480 Speaker 1: way he thinks responding in love, and a lot of 1015 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,360 Speaker 1: times that's a less hard for people. I mean, you 1016 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,120 Speaker 1: know it was hard for me. You know, it wasn't 1017 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,799 Speaker 1: just easy all of a sudden, I just I just 1018 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,160 Speaker 1: got it, you know what I mean. I used to 1019 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,000 Speaker 1: respond like, hey, you do me wrong, I do you wrong? Okay, revenge, 1020 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,239 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But now it's to think 1021 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: of it's like no responding love because love kills all that, 1022 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,840 Speaker 1: all that craziness. You might be on one path and 1023 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,319 Speaker 1: you'll go through something that's the time where you need 1024 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,400 Speaker 1: to learn from it. Listen to this full interview with 1025 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:48,240 Speaker 1: cal Mitchell. It's available on money Making Conversations dot com.