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Speaker 2: Oh what is going on? Happy Monday to you, Happy

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Speaker 2: Labor Day to you? Is the Schwart.

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Speaker 3: Syndicate and Brian Noer with you here on a Monday morning. Here,

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Speaker 3: I'm licking my wounds, Jeff. Normally I'm energetic, ball is back,

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Speaker 3: Let's go. I'm just I'm down to the dumps. My Irish.

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Speaker 3: They toyed with my emotions last night. They have this

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Speaker 3: dramatic comeback. They tie up the score only to allow

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Speaker 3: a go ahead field goal, and the offensive line forgot

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Speaker 3: how to block the final drive and it did not

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Speaker 3: work out well whatsoever. But hey, your ducks one, that's good.

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Speaker 3: They kicked around to nobody, but that's good. They're want

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Speaker 3: to know, not the case from my Irish.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, here we are.

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Speaker 4: Ducks are one to Oh and I have a cheese

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Speaker 4: grater heard my mom listening yesterday. Anyways, Brian, and I

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Speaker 4: My ducks did win. Good morning. I missed you yesterday

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Speaker 4: for accounting to kickoff I'm excited that football is back.

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Speaker 4: I had your quarterback underpassing last night, and that last

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Speaker 4: sixty five yard pass was good for you, oh man,

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Speaker 4: bad for me. I thought I was on the right

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Speaker 4: so I was pretty much on the right side of

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Speaker 4: me blown coverage at the end there. It got over

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Speaker 4: pretty easily there at the end. But look, man, it

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Speaker 4: has been a great weekend of college football, Brian. And

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you the theme for me is, I think

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Speaker 4: we have to take a collective deep breath when it

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Speaker 4: comes to discussion of young quarterbacks, buddy, because we get

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Speaker 4: so overhyped these quarterbacks, and it is hard to play

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Speaker 4: college football as a young football player. It is becoming

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Speaker 4: more I think it's being more and more evident now

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Speaker 4: as more young guys play, because forever like young guys,

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Speaker 4: just look, I'm not I'm not that at all. I'm

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Speaker 4: that turned forty next year. I'm thirty nine. Okay. When

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Speaker 4: I got to Oregon in two thousand and four, Brian,

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Speaker 4: all Right, I was the third true freshman offensive linement

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Speaker 4: thousand and four. Third ever played eighty snaps that year.

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Speaker 4: That's it. I didn't even play that much, all right, Oregon.

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Speaker 4: I did go to Oregon against Montana State. Oregon played,

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Speaker 4: I think in totality even like the thirst Ring got it.

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Speaker 4: They played I think at least thirteen true freshmen in

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Speaker 4: game one. Wow, Like these teams are playing young, guy,

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Speaker 4: it's not just you look around the you know CJ.

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Speaker 4: Julian Stane for Ohio State is young. Bryce Underwood is young.

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Speaker 4: Dante Moore even for Organ is Like, these guys are young,

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Speaker 4: He's he's not young per se, but it's not played

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Speaker 4: a lot of football. And around the country, we just

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Speaker 4: had a lot of guys that had not played a

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Speaker 4: lot of ball playing for a lot of these teams

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Speaker 4: and even just experienced on the offensive lines for some teams, right,

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Speaker 4: Texas and Ohio State included. And we're just seeing and

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the reason is, but maybe it'

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Speaker 4: because they're all young together instead of just playing Jeff

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Speaker 4: like with a bunch of older guys around him. And

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Speaker 4: I think we're just seeing which just saw this week

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Speaker 4: up on games. Is when you go to a game,

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Speaker 4: I went to Oregon Montana State game, you miss a

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Speaker 4: whole day of games, right, you can't. You know, I

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Speaker 4: Ty Simpson has not played any football whatsoever. Hasn't played football.

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Speaker 4: And then you have a team like last year, right,

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Speaker 4: Ohio State was super old, right championship Michigan to US

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Speaker 4: I just keep I'm like hard at this idea. Now

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Speaker 4: after I watching this weekend, Brian of like veteran teams. Man,

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Speaker 4: it just matters so much in a lot of these

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Speaker 4: And I think I don't think we talk about that

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Speaker 4: he's a special player in college football. But man, Brian,

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Speaker 4: experience seemed to matter a whole heck of a lot

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Speaker 3: I think that it's it's gone so far now where

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Speaker 3: Where the young quarterbacks, you got to give it a

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Speaker 2: You know, and arch Manning you mentioned him.

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Speaker 3: He's not facing Joe Blow you know FCS cakewalk opponent here.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's the Ohio State defending champions on

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Speaker 3: I think it's gone so far where you look at

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Speaker 3: But I think it's gotten to a point where we're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: Just say Clemson by their name, Just be like Clemson,

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Speaker 4: just calm out, Just calm out, Brian, just just call

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Speaker 4: lot of us, like Jeff Schwartz included. Isn't it funny

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Speaker 4: how after one week you're like, you have these seven

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Speaker 4: like I got some things really right in Week one

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Speaker 3: And no one cares about the right stuff, right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: like you said, Cow is gonna stake week one? All right?

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Speaker 4: I got I. I had a receiver I get out

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Speaker 4: Gambley picks on social media. Shocking, right, you've done it

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Speaker 4: I mean it happens a week on I started slow

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Speaker 4: Yeah, receipt I'm like, I'm like okay, like yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: that was a Clemson you just called by name, say Clemson.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I would just throw out a couple from

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Speaker 2: That's not always the case. That's the only thing.

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Speaker 4: That I Yeah, it's interesting dynamic because you know, you

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Speaker 4: Like why are you there? So there's sort of two buckets, primarily, right, Brian,

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Speaker 4: And then there's the I came back for a championship guy,

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Speaker 4: just returning production to return if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think it's the third buckets. Sometimes it's just like

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Speaker 4: And so so we talk about veterans in the sport.

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Speaker 4: You know, your Irish men are gonna look so different

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Speaker 4: I think week six than they did last night, hopefully, right,

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Speaker 4: a great week in a ball man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't I think is the best team

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably gonna be Ohio State. But their offense,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Because here's the thing is, so I picked Texas

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Speaker 2: I picked Texas.

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Speaker 3: Also, I feel like, tell me because that was like

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Speaker 4: Well, so all five the most most publicized for bet

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Speaker 4: MGM lost, which didn't cover. I don't know if they

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Speaker 4: all lost. Actually, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think Indiana.

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Speaker 4: Idea, Indiana covered, You're right, yeah, barely. Actually think Indiana.

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Speaker 4: And last night, Brian was I, for the first time

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jeff, So we go to the.

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Speaker 3: you got some distance, and then you remember, wait a minute,

433
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Speaker 3: he's like on my bumper. He's right freaking there. So

434
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Speaker 3: objects are a lot closer than they appear. I think

435
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Speaker 3: that's true for a couple of teams. We just had

436
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Speaker 3: this Micah Parsons trade Cowboys Packers, right, he goes from

437
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 3: the Cowboys to the Packers. If you start looking at

438
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 3: these teams, Jeff, I just think that it's fashionable to

439
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 3: clown the Cowboys because they haven't been to the NFC

440
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 3: title game in forever. Right, it's been thirty years since

441
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 3: they've been there, and the Packers they've had more success.

442
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 3: They're not clowned nearly as much as the Cowboys are, right,

443
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: and some of it is with good reason. But I

444
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: was just looking at it last night, and it was

445
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Speaker 3: interesting how it played out. Where I was looking at

446
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 3: the last four years Packers versus the Cowboys, because that's

447
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 3: how long Michael Parsons has been in the league. Right,

448
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 3: He's been there for the last four years. And if

449
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 3: you look at the Packers compared to the Cowboys, the

450
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: Cowboys have won more games over the last four years.

451
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Speaker 4: Right.

452
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 3: We forget Cowboys twelve and five for three straight seasons,

453
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Speaker 3: and then they were seven and ten last season.

454
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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott only started eight games.

455
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Speaker 3: If you look at the Packers these last four years,

456
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Speaker 3: starting in twenty twenty one, thirteen and four, eight and nine,

457
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 3: that was Rogers last season sub five hundred team didn't

458
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 3: make the playoffs, then nine and eight, then eleven and

459
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 3: six last season, the Cowboys actually have won two more

460
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Speaker 3: games than the Packers over the last four years. It's

461
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 3: kind of interesting right, same playoff records. Both are one

462
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 3: and three over the last four years, and they both

463
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: have one season where they missed the playoffs. Very comparable numbers,

464
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Speaker 3: like team wise in terms of regular season wins, what

465
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Speaker 3: they've done in the postseason. What's the point of all

466
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Speaker 3: of this? What I'm thinking here, Jeff, you tell me

467
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Speaker 3: if you're on board or not. I would push back

468
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Speaker 3: on the idea that Michah Parsons is like the missing

469
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Speaker 3: link to winning it all for Green Bay. He's a

470
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Speaker 3: star pass rusher, He's an awesome player. Not taking anything

471
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Speaker 3: away from him, But do you think that the Cowboys

472
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Speaker 3: and the Packers are way different over the last four years?

473
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Speaker 2: I don't.

474
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Speaker 3: They might be different this season, But over the last

475
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Speaker 3: four years, Michaeh Parsons was on the Cowboys and they've

476
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Speaker 3: done nothing in the postseason. Why would I think him

477
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Speaker 3: going to the Packers is then all of a sudden

478
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Speaker 3: poof like look out, super Bowl champs, here we come.

479
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Speaker 2: I don't believe that. I think they're very comparable.

480
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Speaker 3: I think Dak and Jordan Love are comp I think

481
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: that their lack of postings and success has been comparable.

482
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 3: The teams are losing to is similar to you look

483
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Speaker 3: at the Cowboys. They lost to the Niners twice. Guess

484
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 3: who lost to the Niners twice? Also the Packers. So

485
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: I just don't think when you look at those two teams,

486
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Speaker 3: they're a lot closer than many people think they are.

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Speaker 4: They have been, Brian, but I think they're going in

488
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 4: different directions right now.

489
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Speaker 2: That's fair.

490
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Speaker 4: That part is fair, like so is parts is the

491
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Speaker 4: missing piece per se? No, I don't know if that's

492
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Speaker 4: the right way to put it, Brian, but there's no

493
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Speaker 4: doubt the impact he has in the games he has played,

494
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Speaker 4: right sure, the Cowboys. I go back to this. So

495
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Speaker 4: there's a couple analytics that we use to define essentially,

496
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 4: just the way I explain it is it defines efficiency. Right.

497
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 4: You know there's passing yards and rushing yards, but you

498
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: know some of those numbers can be skewed dependent situation

499
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 4: and essentially like your garbage time versus you know things

500
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 4: like that, right, Like it's you know, passing the yards,

501
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 4: Like what is that? Right? If you're down a bunch

502
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 4: and you throw the ball late and you get a

503
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 4: bunch of passes, that does that mean the defense played poorly?

504
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Speaker 1: No?

505
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Speaker 4: Just that's situationd Right, So I like analytics, right, I

506
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Speaker 4: like a fifty number, so right, expected points at it.

507
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 4: It's called EPA. Right, there's basically two of them that

508
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 4: are they're universal EPA and DVOA. And they said they're

509
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 4: basically the same thing, but they're way different ways to

510
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 4: calculate it. Parsons on the field for the Cowboys when

511
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Speaker 4: he is on the field in his career, the Cowboys

512
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 4: defense is number one in EPA. Okay, they're thirty one. Wow,

513
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 4: in the thousand snaps he's off the field. Okay, So

514
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 4: like that just shows you the impact he has on

515
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 4: the team. Okay. And to me, football, dude, is it's

516
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 4: not outside a quarterback. It's really not. There's not a

517
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 4: single reason why a team wins or loses, okay. And

518
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 4: to act like the Cowboys and Cowboys fans, that's coping mechanism. Well,

519
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 4: he wasn't good at the playoffs, the four playoff games. Yeah, okay,

520
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 4: I don't know what you want from me to say.

521
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 4: What do you want me to say, He's played four

522
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 4: playoff games. He wasn't great. I don't give me the situation,

523
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 4: give me the reason why. Okay, he didn't play as

524
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 4: well as your whole team didn't play as well. So

525
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 4: does the micro partners thing. And and so I don't

526
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: know if he's the missing link for the Packers, but

527
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 4: his ability to make them just that much better. Remember

528
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 4: last year, Brian, they lost games to only playoff teams

529
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Speaker 4: by a handful of points. Like they're they're they're knocking

530
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 4: on the door, They're right there. Now Jordan Love had

531
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Speaker 4: to just be better overall. And maybe you think to yourself, well,

532
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: he was beat up last year. He was really never healthy.

533
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Speaker 4: After he came back, maybe a full healthy year. We

534
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 4: get different parts. It's certainly fair to to to believe

535
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 4: all those things, right, And so I don't know, Brian,

536
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 4: if the right way to put is he's the missing

537
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 4: piece and now they're winning a super Bowl, but his

538
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 4: ability to effect that the game defensively makes him a

539
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 4: very valuable piece to any team. The Packers had had

540
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 4: a cap space, correct, they had the draft picks. They're

541
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 4: they're close to be much better this season. They were,

542
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 4: you know, they're super young. Experience matters in the NFL, right,

543
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 4: getting a little older, more experienced. So I loved it

544
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 4: for the Packers. The Cowboys to me, went about This

545
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 4: is just the complete wrong way. You just cannot People

546
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: say hershel Walker trade. It's not it's not. Parsons is

547
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 4: young and he has a lot of really really good

548
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 4: football left in him. And I think it's really foolish

549
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 4: to think of this as the part as the herschel Walker.

550
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 4: You didn't get as much back. You've got two draft

551
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 4: picks in a defensive tackle. The herschel Walker trade, you

552
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 4: you end to put seven. It's what I'm watching the

553
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: Cowboys doc right now, Brian, And it's.

554
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Speaker 2: Great, by the way, if you want to really good.

555
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, good doc. Well, it's fascinating about it. The herschel Walk.

556
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 4: I didn't realized this. I didn't. I didn't know this

557
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 4: is that they actually did not get as many draft picks. Originally.

558
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: They actually had to they had to cut the players

559
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: right that were drafted that they were sent over in

560
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 4: the trade to get the draft picks. And the Vikings

561
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 4: did not think they would do that.

562
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Speaker 3: It's like, it's so it's so different compared to now.

563
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, we think about that, you'd be like, wait, what

564
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: you thought they just keep the old guys? Yeah, not

565
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 4: all the draft picks.

566
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: Again, know, they got they got all the conditional draft

567
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 3: picks attached to those guys.

568
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you would be like, of course the draft picks.

569
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: Now it's not the same train, not the same.

570
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: Train without the conditional draft picks.

571
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Speaker 3: They still got three first rounders, three second rounders, a third,

572
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: a sixth. That's beyond the condition conditional draft picks. It

573
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: was the hall of halls, you know what I mean.

574
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: It was a mega hall in return for her Walker

575
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 3: and that's not what they got for Michael Parson. That's

576
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: my thing is listen, I know you're down on CLV,

577
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: you know, closing line value because sometimes you get the

578
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 3: best of a betting number and it still doesn't work

579
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: out for you, But over time you're better off getting

580
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 3: you know, you know that right, you'd rather have, you know,

581
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: minus three compared to minus five and a half. Right,

582
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: over time, it's going to play to your benefit. It does,

583
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: it does, it absolutely does. I know you have for

584
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 3: some reason, it doesn't work out for you a handful

585
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: of times, but it definitely does. It works out over

586
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: the over the long haul. It's the same concept with players.

587
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: You want to maximize value, right, put CLV to the side.

588
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: You want to maximize value with whatever, whichever player that

589
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: you happen to have. The Cowboys didn't do that with

590
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons. Why aren't they dealing him in March?

591
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: Right?

592
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: Like you got all these teams that are in audio,

593
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: you get to have this, you know, this bonanza where

594
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: the price tag is just going up and up and

595
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: up because there's an arms race to try to get

596
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: Micah Parson.

597
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: They didn't do that.

598
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: They traded him to a team in their own conference.

599
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: It's such a ridiculous way they went about it, where

600
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: they didn't maximize the value of this star asset that

601
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: they had.

602
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: It just it was bad. It was clumsy.

603
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: It's similar to what the Dallas Mavericks did with Luca.

604
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: I mean you can look at that and say, hey,

605
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis can play fine.

606
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: People look at this so wrong.

607
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: Where they didn't maximize his value and open it up

608
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: to the entire league and just get the.

609
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: Price tag driven up. They didn't do that.

610
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: They didn't maximize his value either. So both Dallas teams

611
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: screwed this up.

612
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 4: To me, Brian, the way they did it was was

613
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 4: pretty stuff. I mean, I mean Jerry Jones was a

614
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: kind of a scumbag. And this whole process, right, where like.

615
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 4: So he kept saying that they had a handshake deal done.

616
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 4: So Michael Parsons and and Jerry Jones went went, They

617
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 4: had a meeting in where Parsons want his leadership, which

618
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: which I actually I want to get to in a second.

619
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Speaker 4: You know, people are upset, teammates are upset about this

620
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: podcast he has, right and how much of a leader

621
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Speaker 4: he is, and and and uh and he went to

622
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: he went to this meeting and came out of it.

623
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Speaker 4: I guess him and Jerry talk contract. Okay, I'm not surprising, right,

624
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 4: And they talk contract and they shook the hand. They

625
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 4: shook hands after the meeting was over, like any meeting, right,

626
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 4: You're like, see you later, buddy. Jerry Jones took that

627
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 4: as a as a sign of a deal, and Michael

628
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: Parsons said, no, let me talk to my agent, and

629
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Speaker 4: Jerry refused, refuse, refused talk to his agent. I did

630
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Speaker 4: a handshake deal, and I saw some tweet like this

631
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 4: he bought the Cowboys in a handshake deal. So therefore

632
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: this is the way. This way, he assumes that operations

633
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: are run. But Jerry, there has to be a mutual

634
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 4: under staying that a deal is done Brian, if you

635
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 4: tell me, I'll tell you something for this amount, like

636
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: a great deal, buddy, like done like that, that's an

637
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: acknowledgement that I have a deal with you. H But

638
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 4: if all say out, hey, man, i'll see I'll talk

639
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: to my agent. Good meeting, Like good meeting is not

640
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 4: the deal's done. There has to be mutual agreement that

641
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 4: a deal is done. To have a handshake deal. By

642
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 4: the way, I shook someone's hand for a deal to

643
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: buy a team, and then I filled out one hundred

644
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: pages of paperwork. It's like, yeah, you shook the hand

645
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: and then you did all the paperwork right, Like you

646
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: just like to shake the hand of the hand. You

647
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Speaker 4: the keys, here's the king of facility. It's yours, buddy. No,

648
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: like there's of course there's another whole thirty days with lawyers, right,

649
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: Like to pretend to Jerry Jones just just shook someone's hand.

650
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 4: It was handed he's the cowboys. Is not the way

651
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Speaker 4: life works, right, And so I to pretend that he

652
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 4: could just say, Parsons, we have a deal. We talked,

653
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 4: no representation was there. You have a highly o painage

654
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Speaker 4: is very good. And his refusal to talk to the

655
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 4: agent like the process by which this was done by

656
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 4: the Cowboys is really really silly to me, and the

657
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: Cowboy deserve and Jerry Jones deserves all the bad things

658
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: that they're gonna happen this season. There. I'll tell you what, man,

659
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: I've I've been in the situation in the NFL where

660
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 4: a team I was on very clearly was not trying

661
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: to win at the top. And that was the twenty

662
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: ten Panthers, right we were that year. We were two

663
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Speaker 4: and fourteen. Okay, I'm watchurely. The Cowboys are two and

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00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: fourteen this year, Brian, but it seems very clear they're

665
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 4: not trying to be their best and you can feel that,

666
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 4: and it was really demoralizing. And we played our hardest

667
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 4: every week. I want the Cabs aren't gonna play hard,

668
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: but we were bad at quarterbacks. A little different situation,

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00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: but I think Cowboys are in a world of hurt. Man.

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00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 4: This is so demoralized for their whole team. Their best player,

671
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 4: who again is very valuable to winning and losing for

672
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: them in totally right, maybe not again on the playoffs,

673
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: but just like he's an impactful player, is not there. Man.

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Speaker 4: I The Cowboys I think are in for a war

675
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: to hurt this year. It feels like they're in a

676
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 4: bad spot to put the to make this move they did.

677
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Speaker 4: I'm concerned about their success the seasons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't think that they're you know,

679
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: gonna have great success or anything like that.

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00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: But their season win total is seven and a half.

681
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Speaker 4: I liked it. I did like they're over, But I'm

682
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: right now.

683
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: I like the over still even without Micah there, because

684
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: I still go back to compare it with the Packers, right.

685
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: I know, Jordan Love missed two games last year. There's

686
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: only two games with Malik Willis in there. Compared to

687
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: you had Dak start eight, he missed nine games. He

688
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: missed nine plus games. It's hard to win games in

689
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: the NFL when your starter is out for that long.

690
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: He's over out for over half the season. So if

691
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: he's blessed with better health than if Dak's starting seventeen games,

692
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Speaker 3: I love their chances to at least get to eight wins.

693
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: But to your point, like you know, I don't have

694
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: them making huge noise in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Should they even get there.

696
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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I.

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Speaker 3: Just I wonder for a little too high on the

698
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: Packers that I just look at the Super Bowl odds.

699
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: The odds are, okay, you have three teams at seven

700
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: to one, that's the Ravens, Bills, and Eagles.

701
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: This is on bet MGM.

702
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: You have the Chiefs at eight to one, and then

703
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 3: it's the Lions and the Packers are tied at twelve

704
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: to one. So basically, the Packers have the fifth best odds.

705
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: They're tied for the fifth best odds to win the

706
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 3: Super Bowl? Are you betting the Packers.

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00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: Was before that? What was? What were they before the

708
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 4: Partians deal? I guess the question.

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00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 3: They're probably I don't. I don't know exactly, but they weren't.

710
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: They didn't just skyrocket up just because of this trade.

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00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: There were somewhere in that.

712
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 4: So I actually I like them too. I like them

713
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 4: to win the Division before before this, and I think

714
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 4: the reason why is it's more just a little bit

715
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Speaker 4: of a of a down on the Lions and not

716
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 4: sure where I'm getting from Caleb Williams and McCarthy like

717
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 4: I feel. I think, I'm sure you feel the same way.

718
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 4: Like I know what I'm getting from the Packers season.

719
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 4: I feel like I do. They're pretty much a very

720
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: steady team and we know we're getting from them. It

721
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 4: might not be a super Bowl, but I feel very

722
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: comfortable about what I'm getting every week in the Packers.

723
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 4: The Vikings, McCarthy might be the best quarterback ever. I

724
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: just don't know. We haven't seen it, right, and we

725
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: all agree on that. We don't know. The Bears, I

726
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 4: think there's some some just they know they're going to

727
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 4: be good. Eventually. We're killing ones, but maybe not now.

728
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Speaker 4: There's a lot of moving parts, right, It's a new

729
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 4: coach and whatnot. And the Lions. The Lions have two

730
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 4: new coordinators. They've already had injuries on the defense side

731
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 4: of the ball, which stinks, okay, And they're scheduled this

732
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: year for schedule matters a lot. They're non division road

733
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 4: games this season. Kansas City, Oh.

734
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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Baltimore, Yeah, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Washington, Oh. I mean like plus

736
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Speaker 4: the Vikings, Bears, and Packers yea.

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00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 2: Their real schedule is brutal.

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Speaker 4: So I think the Packers are very live to win

739
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 4: the division, Brian, and if they are, if they win

740
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: the Vision get a home playoff game, I think it's possible,

741
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 4: and you hope obviously that if you are ahead of

742
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: a lot of games. The difference to win those games

743
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Speaker 4: is Michael Parsons getting a sack or two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, I get it, and look at might work

745
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: out that way, and you could look at this and say, well, hey,

746
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: the Cowboys had Micah Parsons those four years and he

747
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 3: had at least twelve sacks every single year, and they

748
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: did what they did, you know, record wise, playoff wise,

749
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Speaker 3: all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the Packers, the last.

751
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: Time they had a guy, an individual player that had

752
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: a double digit sack season, it was Darius Smith.

753
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: You have to go all the way back to twenty twenty,

754
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: he had twelve and a half sacks.

755
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 3: So they haven't had a double digit sack guy these

756
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: last four years that Michael Parsons has been in the league.

757
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: So if he continues that production and you pencil him

758
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: in for twelve plus sacks each year, basically, yeah, that

759
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 3: could make a big difference. That could be something that

760
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: if he makes an impact come playoff time, it could

761
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: be something that puts them over the top. I just

762
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 3: I'm just making the point that we clowned the Cowboys

763
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 3: all day long and they didn't do anything with Micah

764
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 3: Parsons playoffs not all his fault.

765
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Speaker 2: So I'm just saying keep that in mind.

766
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: If you're really thinking, oh man, Packers, baby, they were

767
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 3: cooking with grease over here, it's like, yeah, just pumped

768
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: the brakes just a little bit on that.

769
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Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying here.

770
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 4: It's surely fair to say that I do. I do

771
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 4: think process matters a lot for us and how things

772
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: are done, even though the end result might be the same,

773
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 4: and I think people like we are just laughing at

774
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 4: at the Cowboys process here. Again, the end result might

775
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 4: be said, they might both just be the same team

776
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: this year. I don't think that's trying. The Packers are

777
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: much more talented and they're better coach too, which which

778
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: was like, I think we all agree that Matlafur is

779
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 4: a good coach, right, we all out there, Seanheimert, to me,

780
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 4: I don't I just don't buy it. But nonetheless, the

781
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 4: process by which they got here, to me, is is

782
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: the big story and why we're so hung up on

783
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 4: the Cowboy is kind of losing this Traders and they

784
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: just they just went about this in just the silliest

785
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 4: way possible. And when you already looked at as a

786
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 4: as a franchise that is questionable with decision making and

787
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 4: how you're run Doing it this way makes you look

788
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 4: up like a buffoon even more, Yeah, and makes it

789
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 4: look like you don't know what you're doing. And the

790
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 4: last thing here too, Brian, I think is so interesting

791
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 4: is you know the Cowboys doc. Right, it's been It's great.

792
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 4: You should everyone should watch it. Do you know what

793
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: the number one thing I noticed about why they won

794
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 4: a lot of games, and they had the best roster

795
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 4: they had obviously Troykman, right, the best running back, Emmitt Smith,

796
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 4: one of the best way it's of Michael Irvin, the

797
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 4: best offensive line, Dion Sanders, Charles Haley, had all the

798
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 4: best players. So for Jerry essentially to like to pretend

799
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 4: like you don't need a guy like Parsons to win,

800
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 4: to me, is like even one of the dumber things here, right, Yeah,

801
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 4: you need him to win?

802
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: You need that, Yeah, absolutely, you do. All right, he's

803
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Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian.

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Speaker 3: Note We're in for two pros and a cup of

805
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 3: Joe here on Fox Sports Radio coming up next. What's

806
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: the most sensible take right now when it comes to

807
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: this player that's on the way, Keep it locked right

808
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 3: here on FSR