Speaker 1: I leave in I you wanna way back home?
Speaker 2: Either way, we want to be there.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter how much baggage you claim and give us
Speaker 1: time and a terminol and gay. We want to send
Speaker 1: you off in style. Do you want to welcome you
Speaker 1: back home?
Speaker 2: Tell us all about it.
Speaker 1: We scared her?
Speaker 3: Was it fine?
Speaker 1: Melcorn? Do you need to ride?
Speaker 2: Do you need to ride?
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?
Speaker 2: Ride with Karen and Chris welcome to Do you need
Speaker 2: a ride? This is Chris Fairbanks.
Speaker 1: And this is Karen Kilgariff.
Speaker 2: Hello, Karen, my friend.
Speaker 1: Hi Chris, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm great, good good, gray, good, good good. I've been
Speaker 2: been having a good time. I did a show two
Speaker 2: nights ago that I'm still feeling good about because it
Speaker 2: went well. And it was in a backyard and these
Speaker 2: people had like a their own speakeasy bar that they
Speaker 2: had modified their garage. But they had this cat that
Speaker 2: looked it was like a tiny black cat, kind of
Speaker 2: like the cat I had that. No one needs to
Speaker 2: hear those stories.
Speaker 1: Again about Eline as right, yes.
Speaker 2: About my cat that had AIDS and lived with AIDS
Speaker 2: for a long time. Until he died of it thrived.
Speaker 2: I've had a great life for a cat and had
Speaker 2: a similar similar personality to this cat, which I didn't.
Speaker 2: I just acknowledged and kind of petted. Then I'm on
Speaker 2: stage and the cat was just kind of wilin in
Speaker 2: the audience, like would even jump in someone's lap for
Speaker 2: a second and then jump off, but kind of delighting everyone,
Speaker 2: like a happy cat that was just excited. And I
Speaker 2: was on stage and I was like, the cat was
Speaker 2: in the back of the room. It's outside of the
Speaker 2: back of the yard. And I was like, kiddy, come here,
Speaker 2: and the cat ran to my feet and just sat
Speaker 2: by my feet my whole set and looked and just
Speaker 2: watched me to stand up. And everyone watching was like
Speaker 2: you are some sort of a whisperer, and I played
Speaker 2: it off like, yeah, that happens all the time. If
Speaker 2: I call even a stray cat, he'll just hop on
Speaker 2: my shoulder like a parrot. And I it was the
Speaker 2: batch of yeah, there's pictures of it that I can
Speaker 2: prove and show you, but it's made me so happy.
Speaker 1: That was so you were able to go in and
Speaker 1: out of your act basically clocking where this cat was
Speaker 1: and then picking the perfect time to then invite the
Speaker 1: cat kind of into your act, yes, having moments with that,
Speaker 1: then going back and continuing.
Speaker 2: It was a cat dictated set. I did mostly cat
Speaker 2: stuff that I feel like the cat would have liked,
Speaker 2: and it really.
Speaker 1: Went a lot of fish material, Yeah, yeah, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of nip, a lot of nip references. I'm going
Speaker 2: to miss that cat, that's all I'm saying. The cat
Speaker 2: has spoken for the people that lived there, own the cat. Ye,
Speaker 2: that's aw shit.
Speaker 1: But the brag of having sway over animals more than
Speaker 1: average people, right, is something that not only is kind
Speaker 1: of a great brag, but you just proved it to
Speaker 1: a backyard full of comedy nerds.
Speaker 2: They saw it happen and they were people were gasping.
Speaker 2: It was something. It may be a boring story, but
Speaker 2: very much in the moment felt like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I have a magic ability. I'm racked.
Speaker 1: It's not boring at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. He again sat by my feet for
Speaker 2: a good ten minutes.
Speaker 1: He's a real fair Banks fan.
Speaker 2: Oh god, this cat really like we really hit it off.
Speaker 2: And then I just went home. I'll never see this
Speaker 2: cat again. I know I won't. Anyway, that's what happened.
Speaker 2: I'll take that to the pro I'll be on Steven's podcast.
Speaker 1: I'll do Oh that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: This isn't the place for it, even though I've spent
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Look, I like it because it involves all the things
Speaker 1: we like, which is your story about your cat having
Speaker 1: feline aids.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Everyone wants to hear updates.
Speaker 1: Stand up stories, which we always want and we want
Speaker 1: to hear we don't. We want to hear the stories
Speaker 1: about how things are going good out there again for people.
Speaker 1: And I think this is like now nature is in
Speaker 1: support of stand up comedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even though that story was a snooze fest, I
Speaker 2: checked all three of those boxes you.
Speaker 1: Did, and again I'll argue that it was actually completely
Speaker 1: compelling the entire time you told it.
Speaker 2: Thank you. And did you have an anecdote? Yeah? I just.
Speaker 1: No, No, I actually did. My only anecdote is uh,
Speaker 1: I realized about half an hour ago that I'm wearing
Speaker 1: a sour shirt. You know, I think I left this
Speaker 1: load of laundry in the in the washing machine too.
Speaker 2: Long, A saucer of milk? Did you leave your shirt
Speaker 2: and a saucer of milk?
Speaker 1: I did a milk soak, which they said would be great.
Speaker 1: Uh so, because I kept thinking it was something in
Speaker 1: the room, so I kept like rinsing the sink and
Speaker 1: doing things, going at lighting candles, and I finally realized
Speaker 1: on the last call I was on, it's the shirt.
Speaker 1: Is this shirt I'm wearing?
Speaker 2: Maybe it needs to be laundered?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure does. It does.
Speaker 2: Hey, well, I'm I don't smell terrific either, but you know,
Speaker 2: you know who does smell terrific? You know are today's guest.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is zoom. I'm getting kind of an oreganoy
Speaker 1: like mom's home cooking odor from our guest today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like old country ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, he's leather and cedar.
Speaker 1: Farm barnwood.
Speaker 3: Did I just say, Karen candles I was listening introduced.
Speaker 2: No, it's okay. We can do a preemptive Okay, this
Speaker 2: is can talk about the candles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but candles, like the only people that like use
Speaker 3: candles as a solution or like witches and just the underwashed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people who like time their laundry correctly.
Speaker 3: You could only fix candles. Can only like fight a
Speaker 3: ghost or deal with like excessive funk. Yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 3: a candle.
Speaker 2: So you're describing people from uh, Salem Salem, Oregon are
Speaker 2: the stinkers?
Speaker 3: No offense, Salem Massachusetts or Oregon.
Speaker 2: Salem Massachusetts is the only you shouldn't be allowed to
Speaker 2: repeat city now.
Speaker 1: You should from from grease the pond.
Speaker 3: I don't know where, like where Kansas City is. It's
Speaker 3: which is Isn't there more than one?
Speaker 2: Y It's there's one Kansas City, but it's it's in
Speaker 2: mostly Missouri and then a little bit in Kansas. You'd
Speaker 2: think because it's the city, it's up right.
Speaker 3: On the state line, right, it is like four corners
Speaker 3: but half right. Yeah, yeah, four corners stand in all
Speaker 3: the states.
Speaker 1: You can't handle fur corners. Kansas City is your spot.
Speaker 1: It's just the two elements to deal with.
Speaker 3: That was a big vacation move for my parents' is
Speaker 3: we're going to four corners and you two kids are
Speaker 3: going to stand in four states at the same time.
Speaker 2: Kids.
Speaker 3: That was that was eighties Matrix Kids love geography.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: Today's guest Karen before we introduce him, that it's someone
Speaker 2: that everyone and he will back this up that we
Speaker 2: have so many things interests in common that everyone has
Speaker 2: said you should be friends with Christie.
Speaker 3: People get mad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll probably talk about a lot of those
Speaker 2: interests and try and include you, Karen, because it's going
Speaker 2: to be a lot.
Speaker 1: Of I'm missed it back like a girl and sip
Speaker 1: my lemonade. Oh, he plays clubs and colleges all over
Speaker 1: this country. Please welcome mister Kevin Christie.
Speaker 2: Kevin Christie, everyone, Hi, how are you no?
Speaker 3: Alaska? Cop to the fact that she didn't even make
Speaker 3: that up? Did she stole that?
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh, I felt terrible for so long because we really
Speaker 1: just ripped that straight off of her.
Speaker 3: She in a pocket. She's like, oh yeah, I saw this,
Speaker 3: queen did it and I stole it immediately, because that's
Speaker 3: what drag waits too. You see something you like and
Speaker 3: you just remix it and now it's yours. And I
Speaker 3: was like, tight, Oh good.
Speaker 1: I thought I stole it from my friends, who basically
Speaker 1: worked in like three jobs in a row. They were
Speaker 1: like the writing department, pas AP's producer, whatever. It was,
Speaker 1: this group of girls that I worked with several times,
Speaker 1: and they all did it because I think they were
Speaker 1: fans of Alaska thunderfucks. I thought they made it up.
Speaker 1: So I just thought I was stealing it from a friend,
Speaker 1: which is what every comic does for good good bits.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I remember seeing Steve Byrne did a thing
Speaker 3: like just a tiny bit of crowd work, and then
Speaker 3: I did it like a weekly. I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: I did that thing goes oh no, that's for all
Speaker 3: of us, because that's that's that's for everyone. Like it
Speaker 3: was when you ask a couple how long they've been
Speaker 3: together if they're married, and you go, you know who's married?
Speaker 3: Things used to do in the early two thousands, this
Speaker 3: is the crowd married. When you're bombing and uh if
Speaker 3: someone says like under your yougo, what's your secret? And
Speaker 3: he's like, oh no, that's for all of us. Those
Speaker 3: are things that we all get to use. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Fair's fair.
Speaker 1: If need be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you been doing stand up again, Kevin?
Speaker 3: I have?
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 3: I'm at the comedy store every week again and this
Speaker 3: I do a room in Santa Monica with Neil Brennan
Speaker 3: every week and yeah.
Speaker 1: And how it's fun. Are you glad to be back?
Speaker 1: How's your experience? Bend?
Speaker 2: You can am?
Speaker 3: I am glad to be back. I'm the last one
Speaker 3: wearing a mask. I get clowned now at the comedy store,
Speaker 3: Like people make fun of me for still wearing masks.
Speaker 1: Even though the numbers are growing up up up.
Speaker 3: I look, I'm super vaxed and boosted. But I just
Speaker 3: I don't know, it seems I will say. The one
Speaker 3: thing I liked about COVID is being able to look
Speaker 3: at everyone and think you're dirty. Yeah, like we were
Speaker 3: all dirty. It was great, ye go to anywhere you went.
Speaker 3: You were like, everyone's dirty. Look at all you Everyone's
Speaker 3: so dirty right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay if I look down on you for
Speaker 2: being dirty, because I'm also looking down on myself. Dirty dirty,
Speaker 2: We're all dirty.
Speaker 3: It was my job to go to the market, like
Speaker 3: that was my function in our household. So I would
Speaker 3: be at al Are you one of the piggies, but
Speaker 3: don't say what size?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the big one, the big one, big one.
Speaker 2: I'm always stopping.
Speaker 3: Look at the size of my zoom loft. I'm clearly
Speaker 3: a giant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah you're yeah.
Speaker 3: So but I would go to the market, like, you know,
Speaker 3: seven in the morning because I want a toilet paper,
Speaker 3: and like just we all just looked at each other
Speaker 3: with the same like you're dirty, No, you're dirty. Just gloves, masks,
Speaker 3: the plastic.
Speaker 1: Like all stop trying to be near me. There's a lot.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of that, Like I would do.
Speaker 1: This is a trick if you carry a large purse,
Speaker 1: if somebody's standing too close to you, you just turn
Speaker 1: around fast and hit them with your purse and then
Speaker 1: go ye, try them. But you basically say, hey, if
Speaker 1: I can't move and my purse hits you, then you're
Speaker 1: too close. You're standing too close to me. You're gonna
Speaker 1: go back it up.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: I do that with my backpack, which also is a
Speaker 2: skateboard on it. Whenever I travel, like getting off a plane,
Speaker 2: people get they start to crowd you. I do some
Speaker 2: side shuffles. Higel some of that pack. Ye how about
Speaker 2: little yeah, a little skateboard wheel to the ankle or
Speaker 2: to the elbow or the ankle. Get yeah.
Speaker 3: I do the same with my bowstaff kind of carry
Speaker 3: it right.
Speaker 2: And you can still get on a plane with that, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just sure. I have a pole vault. So
Speaker 3: pole vaults is where they cut it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of fun. So I thought you said a
Speaker 1: boat staff, like like you were one of those guys
Speaker 1: in Venice with the boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's probably the same length.
Speaker 3: I'm going to look into this. Did they invent karate?
Speaker 1: And I mean, what if there was some crossover we
Speaker 1: just didn't know about.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me let me ask you this, Chris Fairbanks.
Speaker 3: That's documented. We've documented that you and I are and
Speaker 3: we basically have the same person. Yes, yeah, Were you
Speaker 3: also into taekwondo in the eighties?
Speaker 2: No, No, I was not. I wrestled a little in
Speaker 2: college and then once I started drinking, I'd do a
Speaker 2: little street fighting with strangers, but I never did any
Speaker 2: organized in a facility because I was a street fighter.
Speaker 2: I was. It's a skateboarder, you know. I even if
Speaker 2: I was kind of interested in things and I was
Speaker 2: sort of into wrestling, A lot of people don't know
Speaker 2: that about me.
Speaker 3: I'd like to now, I know, to never fight you
Speaker 3: just a singlets. Hey, I'm not like a calf fight
Speaker 3: a wrestler. I know, never fight a wrestling All you
Speaker 3: gotta do is look at someone's ears. Yeah, Bobby Lee
Speaker 3: also was a wrestler. Don't fight Bobby Lee.
Speaker 1: Well, they'll grapple you right down to the ground.
Speaker 3: Most fights end up on the ground, and now you're
Speaker 3: on the ground with someone who knows what to do
Speaker 3: on the ground, you're gonna get fucked up. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you get Also, wrestlers have spent so much time with
Speaker 3: another human on top of them trying to hurt them,
Speaker 3: they're calmer, and if you're calmer to fight, you're gonna win.
Speaker 3: This is based on the fact that I haven't been
Speaker 3: to fight in maybe thirty five years.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: The knowledge I'm bringing to Can we solve this for
Speaker 1: Kevin and get him into kind of a classic street
Speaker 1: fight where we can and then practice just calming down
Speaker 1: in the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just almost like a meditation thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Just Chris, next, meet Staple and stay pressed, stay out.
Speaker 2: For keep it in mind.
Speaker 3: Coach. Yeah, I brought a coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, get ready.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a wellness coach. He came with this loft.
Speaker 2: Drink this juice. Drink this juice slowly. Now start punching
Speaker 2: and make sure it comes from a good place. No.
Speaker 3: Eighty Taekwondo in Los Angeles in the eighties was hot?
Speaker 1: Was it because of Karate Kid and that kind of Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Karate Kid warped all of
Speaker 3: our brains. Yes, I don't know anyone who saw Karate
Speaker 3: Kidd and didn't immediately try to beat up whoever was
Speaker 3: sitting next to them in the theater.
Speaker 2: Yeah. All all I got from that movie is I
Speaker 2: want a BMX bike with twenty four inch rims. I
Speaker 2: wanted the big Yeah. I'm like, I get it out
Speaker 2: of the dumpster and have your karate old man friend
Speaker 2: help you because I want that bike. And I've had
Speaker 2: a couple of them just like it. That The point
Speaker 2: is dreams come true.
Speaker 3: It was so sad that he hated that bike. You're like,
Speaker 3: that's a sweet bike, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, goes any of us said, ever say.
Speaker 3: I also wanted to live in like a Japanese style house.
Speaker 3: I was like this whole movie like they were in
Speaker 3: the valley. Yeah, I was already in the valley. I'm
Speaker 3: in the valley now. I don't live here, but I
Speaker 3: feel comfortable here.
Speaker 1: Eight when a native like our Bernie Stevens die, I.
Speaker 3: Was born in the eight one eight Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I so far very don't much.
Speaker 3: I don't spend much time here, but when I get back,
Speaker 3: it feels comfort. You know what I like about the valley.
Speaker 3: The valley has no master. The valley just does whatever
Speaker 3: it wants. There no hierarchy here, none, You're just building whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like apartment buildings, someone's castle, and then just a
Speaker 3: three bedroom house, and then a vape store, and then
Speaker 3: another castle, and then just.
Speaker 1: A white farmhouse with rocking chairs on the front portray
Speaker 1: You're like, why did you put that here? We're nowhere
Speaker 1: near even a yard, much less farm.
Speaker 3: Martin Lawrence like, it's just it's it's every It's just
Speaker 3: a wonderful, chaotic, scary place.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This you can just go through the valley and
Speaker 2: see Martin Lawrence jogging with wearing trash bags, trying to
Speaker 2: lose weight. No, we don't remember why he was doing that,
Speaker 2: but I think it was trying to lose weight for yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: totally for bad boys too. Yeah. I feel like it
Speaker 2: was for bad boys too. I doo. Yeah, but he
Speaker 2: kind of had a psychotic episode.
Speaker 3: I think, didn't you just pass out and have strokes?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was dehydrate.
Speaker 1: But before he passed out, wasn't he in the center
Speaker 1: of an intersection yelling at cars?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: I believe there was an element.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I thought.
Speaker 3: It was really funny though not havn't Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 3: at a high volume. I was talking to Sulie McCullough
Speaker 3: about this. There's a generation of like that kind of
Speaker 3: late nineties early two thousand deaf jam guys that I
Speaker 3: don't know that they get the credit they deserve for
Speaker 3: murdering harder than anyone who's ever done stand up. Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know guys like Earthquake, Well, Earthquake just have that
Speaker 3: special come out, but it's so good. Room melters like
Speaker 3: Bruce Bruce, guys that would just liquify a room. You're like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going after that human on anyway, Like, I
Speaker 3: hope you enjoyed your set, because I am going to
Speaker 3: bore the nuts off of anyone in the audust if
Speaker 3: you follow.
Speaker 1: Those people, you can't follow them, and they can't follow them.
Speaker 3: The last where the people have to stand up, like
Speaker 3: it's just those people were fucking in like Pete Martin Lawrence,
Speaker 3: he was burning rooms to the ground. Kat Williams like.
Speaker 1: Just the Entertainer is one of the best set up comics.
Speaker 3: Cedric Comedy set is one of the best things I've
Speaker 3: ever seen. Yeah, yeah, even I mean, uh, the Game
Speaker 3: show why can't think of his name is Steve Harvey
Speaker 3: Harvey set Steve Harvey Ay, the greatest family feud host
Speaker 3: of all time, like maybe the greatest horrified like maybe
Speaker 3: the greatest facial expression takes of anyone you've ever seen
Speaker 3: of all time. Yeah, but I've never you know how
Speaker 3: comedians like big community like I don't care what you think.
Speaker 3: They'll say that to the audience. He doesn't actually give
Speaker 3: a shit, right, And the control that that dude has
Speaker 3: over crowds, I've never like. He truly controls the crowd
Speaker 3: in a way that I haven't seen.
Speaker 2: Using very few people using looks of disappointment in them.
Speaker 3: He runs that audience. Yeah, yeah, true. Also, his fashion
Speaker 3: lately is incredible.
Speaker 2: It's so funny where its. April Richardson is one of
Speaker 2: the people that said you have to be best friends
Speaker 2: with Kevin, and she she has a bit of an
Speaker 2: animosity towards him because her mom that's her favorite comic.
Speaker 2: And then meanwhile, her mom was not acknowledging that it.
Speaker 2: Maybe April did it on it on a somewhat similar level.
Speaker 2: She just was like, well, I don't know what level
Speaker 2: your comedy and you're but but yeah, you're nothing compared
Speaker 2: to this guy. Of course already forgot his name again.
Speaker 1: Steve Harvey.
Speaker 2: Harvey, Steve Harvey.
Speaker 1: Steve Harvey was on the talk show I worked on
Speaker 1: one time, and he can't He was being super funny.
Speaker 1: But they started talking about a time that when he
Speaker 1: went to visit a Neverland ranch and Michael Jackson and
Speaker 1: then he just went and the host was like, and
Speaker 1: how is that? And he and he just goes and
Speaker 1: I won't be able to do it correctly because he's
Speaker 1: a He's like Will Farrell, where just saying plain words
Speaker 1: is funny in a way that it isn't same with
Speaker 1: Fred Armison. Like I've seen people say this person say
Speaker 1: it and no one would laugh, and then you say
Speaker 1: it and everyone's going and saying. He just turned to
Speaker 1: the audience and goes, he got giraffe money and on
Speaker 1: it exploded and like it never came back down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is what they're saying. He is that the Kings
Speaker 3: of comedy dudes were a kind of funny that like,
Speaker 3: you're not allowed to be that funny anymore, Like you,
Speaker 3: it's not really allowed in televised comedy anymore. There's like comedy,
Speaker 3: there's like comedy. It takes place in clubs and rooms
Speaker 3: and stuff, and then there's televised comedy and you're not
Speaker 3: to be as funny as that group was anymore. You
Speaker 3: see it like a case. You see flashes of occasionally,
Speaker 3: but it's like Leslie Jones is that funny? Like you
Speaker 3: can't follow Leslie Jones. She burnt the room to the ground,
Speaker 3: and you look like an accountant, like just walking up
Speaker 3: on stage, like so everyone, get your checks out. We're
Speaker 3: going to talk about percentages. It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When that when the Comedians of or Kings of
Speaker 2: Comedy came out, I was doing stand up already, and
Speaker 2: I remember not relating to the reaction they're getting.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I the Queens of Comedy killed that
Speaker 3: hard too that tour two Samoa like that, those comedians
Speaker 3: that money right, she was on that Monique killed so
Speaker 3: hard in that special. You're just like, Okay, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna you're doing that like you you raise roofs, yes,
Speaker 3: And I tell people what things are in my head.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I tried to talk about my theories on
Speaker 1: things which true. Who gives a shit.
Speaker 2: At best everyone or at eighty percent or lightly tickled.
Speaker 1: Just giving them something to think about on the way home.
Speaker 2: There's nods. I love when an entire crowd just gives
Speaker 2: me a nice nod of approval. That's really I know
Speaker 2: what you're trying to do. But yeah, no one's ever
Speaker 2: fucking screaming and throwing chairs. They're like, I stand up.
Speaker 3: They're like the other Kermits and muppets take Manhattan when
Speaker 3: he becomes a businessman, and they're just like, hmm, like
Speaker 3: where did all these other frogs come from? All of
Speaker 3: a sudden, like that we found out there was new muppets,
Speaker 3: like other muppets, like Multiverse muppets worked on Wall Street
Speaker 3: for some reason. Yeah, and no one had brought them
Speaker 3: into the other Muppet universe.
Speaker 1: Well, like the Arty Muppets on Sesame Street, right, everyone
Speaker 1: else had to have a normal job. These guys were
Speaker 1: like the actors, Yeah, the Jugglers.
Speaker 3: East Village Muppets and Wall Street Muppets and that.
Speaker 2: And the hardest thing to wrap your mind around is
Speaker 2: that would mean and of course there has to be
Speaker 2: multiple frank Oz's voices and voicing them, you know, one hundred.
Speaker 1: Percent, that's right business frank Oz, no.
Speaker 2: Man behind a countertop with their hand in the air,
Speaker 2: film covered with felt get away perv, waiting.
Speaker 3: For him to do a weird voice but all all business.
Speaker 3: Frank Oz's voices are just him. It's not he doesn't
Speaker 3: change it at all, goes yeah, I'm a frog.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I have a story that's connected to the story Kevin
Speaker 1: told when we weren't recording. But I really want to
Speaker 1: tell it anyway, And I may have already told it
Speaker 1: on this podcast because we were talking audience people who
Speaker 1: weren't here. We were talking about when things are overtly sexual,
Speaker 1: but you can't acknowledge it because there's old people or
Speaker 1: your parents or your relatives in the room.
Speaker 2: So who will all maybe say that's what she said?
Speaker 2: And we hope that they don't anymore, but.
Speaker 1: They might offend it. Yeah right, I can go one
Speaker 1: of two ways.
Speaker 2: Both back, yeah, yeah, both bad ways.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't for this. My sister can't even tell
Speaker 1: the story without crying, laughing. They were all, uh, my
Speaker 1: aunt Jean, my dad, my mom, my sister, and my
Speaker 1: cousin Cheryl were eating dinner at my aunt Jean's house
Speaker 1: and they were talking about my cousin or you know,
Speaker 1: not related cousin Janie because she went out with a
Speaker 1: guy that was in my high school class. And that
Speaker 1: guy's name was Robert Hunt, but of course freshman year,
Speaker 1: he immediately got the nickname Mike. And because I went
Speaker 1: to a highly abusive, tiny Catholic high school where everyone
Speaker 1: was bullied actively on a daily.
Speaker 2: Busis I still don't get it. I'm gonna need you
Speaker 2: to say it out loud.
Speaker 1: His name was Mike Hunt. Oh no, I like it,
Speaker 1: not really, but that's they just called him Mike, right.
Speaker 2: Of course I made you say that.
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, it's okay. That's I mean. If I started
Speaker 1: the story. So my aunt Jean says, Janice did, My says,
Speaker 1: did Jennie break up with that boy she was dating
Speaker 1: that was in Karen's class? My aunt Jane says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they broke up a while ago. What was
Speaker 1: his name? And they go and my sister, without thinking,
Speaker 1: goes Mike, and my aunt Jene goes, I know his
Speaker 1: last name was Hunt, and then she goes, my god,
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound right. And my cousin Cheryl sucks in
Speaker 1: a piece of lettuce and starts choking on the salad
Speaker 1: she's eating. My sister immediately realizes what she did and
Speaker 1: is horrified but like trying not to laugh. And my
Speaker 1: mom and my aunt she and go back and forth
Speaker 1: several times, like my sister said, close to ten, trying
Speaker 1: out the name and going does that sound right? Doesn't?
Speaker 1: And finally my dad slammed his fist on the table
Speaker 1: and goes, that's enough. My mom's like, Jim, what's wrong whatever,
Speaker 1: And he knew what was going on, And of course
Speaker 1: my sister and my cousin Cheryl knew what was going on,
Speaker 1: but my mom and my aunt Jean were just wistfully
Speaker 1: ignorant and saying it over and over again.
Speaker 3: I want your dad to have been like I was
Speaker 3: in the service with the guy with that kind of mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got three men killed.
Speaker 3: I got in a laughing fit the other day at home.
Speaker 3: I wasn't. I had taken some metabals, okay, guys, I'm
Speaker 3: forty five.
Speaker 2: It's okay, of course, for medicinal purposes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I started for some reason, me and my
Speaker 3: girlfriend came like what if my name was Brick and
Speaker 3: just having to say Brick Christie, like having like the
Speaker 3: K sound and the C sound are too close together.
Speaker 3: So they become one and I almost barfed, like because
Speaker 3: it was just me and my house yelling brick Christie
Speaker 3: like that, Yeah, because you don't want you couldn't say it,
Speaker 3: can't say it soft, You'd have to say hard. And
Speaker 3: it's it's like you don't have to shake someone's hand
Speaker 3: hard when you say that name. It's like an implied,
Speaker 3: overly squeezed hard handshake. I can see how fast their
Speaker 3: hands moving. It's a bummer hard.
Speaker 1: He's a real he's a real hard.
Speaker 3: He's like what was that Will Ferrell sketch where they'd
Speaker 3: beat a bar talking about like making up fake stories about.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and the name of the guy was the
Speaker 2: Dancers No Club.
Speaker 3: He scissor Kickedberry Bill Brasky, Bill Brasky, He scissor kicked
Speaker 3: Angela Lansbury made me almost pass out when I was
Speaker 3: when I heard that. But they gave him all giant
Speaker 3: red alcoholic noses.
Speaker 2: Guy. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, they all have fake teeth.
Speaker 3: Oh YouTube, it was like mad Men after Dark. It
Speaker 3: was like what the real the reality of mad Men
Speaker 3: looks like.
Speaker 2: As opposed to what mad Men look yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: not as soft lensed, not as sexy. Yeah yeah, that yeah,
Speaker 2: Bill Brasky, I forgot about that. Yeah. But Kevin, you
Speaker 2: and I we okay, we both end up we both
Speaker 2: you your actor, you're you've are very accomplished actor. You're
Speaker 2: a very good actor.
Speaker 3: You've been lucky to have acted a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been in Masters of Sex. Is that the
Speaker 2: name of the show? You said that you? Yeah, that
Speaker 2: is that is what she said. Yeah, and uh you
Speaker 2: and but you also are interested in skateboarding.
Speaker 3: You're also I was raised the skateboarder.
Speaker 2: Very good artist you are. I feel like, would you
Speaker 2: argue that right now you are predominantly a fine artist
Speaker 2: that does gallery shows for your pay.
Speaker 3: For the last year I have been allowed to have
Speaker 3: a fine art career. Yeah, now, which was is crazy
Speaker 3: and was very unexpected, is it though?
Speaker 2: Because you were I remember because I saw your work
Speaker 2: go from you did a lot of line like contour line,
Speaker 2: very sure uh graphic across actually black line artwork. I
Speaker 2: thought that was great, And then I remember you doing
Speaker 2: a lot of like textures like uh, you know, just
Speaker 2: studies in texture like eighties looking almost airbrush, but you're
Speaker 2: doing it by hand and maybe with stencils. And now
Speaker 2: you're doing this, who's that painter Hopper. Do you like Hopper,
Speaker 2: the Edward Hopper? Yeah, except you're mostly doing people. But
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it really you're really a good painter.
Speaker 3: Thank you. H Yeah. I started right as a little
Speaker 3: before COVID started. I decided to reteach myself how to
Speaker 3: oil paints. I hadn't done it since art.
Speaker 2: School, nor if I. Yeah, and were you intimidated by it?
Speaker 3: No? I just wanted to paint bigger and I was
Speaker 3: painting in guash and gwash is really expensive. You can't
Speaker 3: make a giant painting and guash I still don't know.
Speaker 2: What it is. It's always an ingredient on a painting.
Speaker 2: When you're in a gallery, it says gash. Still don't
Speaker 2: know what it is?
Speaker 3: Is it like it's opaque water color. It's what graphic
Speaker 3: designers used in like the twenties. But you can make
Speaker 3: it really flat.
Speaker 2: Is it in stick form?
Speaker 3: No, it's in tube form. But the tubes are tiny
Speaker 3: and shockingly expensive.
Speaker 2: Oh I've seen those, Okay, Yeah, I just they saw
Speaker 2: the price and I didn't want to know what gash was.
Speaker 3: They made us use them in art school when you
Speaker 3: took design one and it was so expensive. There was
Speaker 3: an art school or an art store in Glendo called
Speaker 3: Swains that would have the Art Center sale for Art
Speaker 3: Center students, and guash was fifty percent off and the
Speaker 3: line was like around the block right right, because the
Speaker 3: tube was twelve dollars in your art school, so you're
Speaker 3: very poor. Yeah, but yeah, it's very bright colors and
Speaker 3: it dries very flat, and that's why designers use it
Speaker 3: for like type before there was computers. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 3: know why I picked to learn it and get into it.
Speaker 3: I just liked it, I guess. But uh, then I
Speaker 3: wanted to make bigger paintings, and so I started painting
Speaker 3: and oil again on little on canvases, and I just
Speaker 3: a galerus that followed me asked me to be in
Speaker 3: a group show, and then she asked me to send
Speaker 3: some work for take to a gallery, to a fair,
Speaker 3: and then asked me to have a solo show. And
Speaker 3: now I get to make a little living making pain.
Speaker 2: That is terrific. And you know you're doing well when
Speaker 2: you're doing the county fair circuit. Now that's a little jab.
Speaker 3: That's a little jab and that when you say art fair,
Speaker 3: people are like, yeah, there's one at a park near
Speaker 3: my house. Yeah, not the same thing. There's understand there's
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of different fares, lady.
Speaker 1: It's nice to meet you on your I've seen the
Speaker 1: art fair. They hang the art on the fence around
Speaker 1: the corner right there.
Speaker 3: There's a peg board. Yes, yeah, there's there's there's cotton candy,
Speaker 3: and there's those lemon slushies that you can get at
Speaker 3: the Rose Bowl personally, and then there's.
Speaker 1: My art guys, and then there's a lot of watercolors
Speaker 1: of parrots, and then there's Kevin's and.
Speaker 3: Smash Mouth is going to play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a great day for this. FAM's going
Speaker 1: to be a.
Speaker 3: Great ever Clear and Smash. We don't know who opens,
Speaker 3: we don't know why. It doesn't matter, doesn't matter, it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Yeah, so it's I mean,
Speaker 3: I can't I can't be cynical about it. It's awesome.
Speaker 3: I just get to paint and people buy them.
Speaker 2: It's very done. You've done graphics for like Toy Machine
Speaker 2: what like You and I both. I feel like you
Speaker 2: and I are the only stand ups. I said this
Speaker 2: before we start recording, but you and I are the
Speaker 2: only stand ups that have done this a long time
Speaker 2: that I think have also done artwork specifically for skateboards. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would be a safe assumption.
Speaker 3: Yeah probably. I've done a few series for Toy Machine,
Speaker 3: which is owned by artists and skateboarder Ed Templeton, and
Speaker 3: I lied to him and tricked him into letting me
Speaker 3: do skate graphics and it worked, and it was I
Speaker 3: like an idiot. I had them pay me in decks
Speaker 3: instead of money, because you're a stupid adult child. And
Speaker 3: so instead of money, I got eighty skateboards. Yeah, well
Speaker 3: of my design, and I would keep them in the
Speaker 3: trunk of my car and just throw them at what
Speaker 3: I see see to be under privileged skaters, Just hurl
Speaker 3: them and children. You know what, here's a new deck.
Speaker 2: A long time A guy did a Bob Burnquist graphic
Speaker 2: for the firm, and I wounded that I had gotten
Speaker 2: No one has those boards. That money was gone immediately
Speaker 2: to pay my half of the rent that month.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I like, how many boards could I get?
Speaker 3: And I remember the guy was like, no one's ever
Speaker 3: asked that I was welcome to stupid down. I had to.
Speaker 3: There were so many I could. They couldn't ship them
Speaker 3: to me because it costs one thousand dollars. So I
Speaker 3: had to drive to San Diego and fill a Volvo
Speaker 3: that It's like it would have been the dumbest looking
Speaker 3: car wreck of all time, just debts all over the freeway.
Speaker 3: And I just gave him to anybody who needed him.
Speaker 3: Like a lot of door guys at the comedy store
Speaker 3: got toy machine decks. I was like a spot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I laced up everybody. Now I'm out, Like now I
Speaker 3: only have just I have just one set left that
Speaker 3: for me. But I gave them well after a while,
Speaker 3: I really like the last one I gave you like
Speaker 3: a kid at a bus stop and I was like,
Speaker 3: how is he going to explain this to his parents?
Speaker 3: Like how like, hey, an old white guy with this
Speaker 3: deck at a bus stop. Yeah he was on the
Speaker 3: sounds bad. Yeah, So for a while after that, I
Speaker 3: was like I would just tell my friends, Hey, if
Speaker 3: you know anyone who needs a deck, let me know,
Speaker 3: because giving them to people was just weird. It was
Speaker 3: a weird thing to do. But yeah, I always like
Speaker 3: get paid in decks like a stupid Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 3: But I will say, like when I picked up those
Speaker 3: decks a toy machine, I got in my car and cried, yeah,
Speaker 3: it is you.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: I mean that's how I learned to draw, is copying
Speaker 3: skke grab and you are.
Speaker 2: You are imagining fourteen, fifteen year old Kevin looking at
Speaker 2: you accomplishing this, and it's more important than anything you could.
Speaker 3: Comedy or it was an unruinable day. I was like,
Speaker 3: you can't talk to me right now.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it. For me, I'm always
Speaker 2: thinking that, I'm like, how do I would little kid
Speaker 2: me look at this and think, oh man, I'm so
Speaker 2: cool in my forties. Yeah, like that is that is
Speaker 2: a driving force with me.
Speaker 3: I lived near a high school. Gross and but there
Speaker 3: was a I saw a kid wearing a piece of
Speaker 3: band merch that I drew like twenty I mean almost
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, and I was like, this is so great.
Speaker 3: Like I was like, kick you and I took a picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was just like Kevin, I to ask
Speaker 1: you to stop interacting with teens.
Speaker 3: Yeah wait, it's how am I going to do this
Speaker 3: in a way that's not insane?
Speaker 2: The photo from over five hundred feet away?
Speaker 1: Yeah, zoom lens.
Speaker 3: I said, I lived near a high school. I got
Speaker 3: a picture of a kid wearing a Kings of Leon shirt.
Speaker 3: Then I technically drew and.
Speaker 2: Then you pop open the trunk and say, who wants
Speaker 2: to buy a jump rope? Yeah? You know, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: just Joe.
Speaker 3: That stuff. That stuff is I'm not I can't be
Speaker 3: cynical about an that stuff. When I see that stuff,
Speaker 3: it gets me pretty excited. Yeah, because normally, just even now,
Speaker 3: when I sell a painting, it just goes to somebody's condo.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I'd never see him again. It's
Speaker 3: just some rich person now has this in condo and
Speaker 3: I'll never see it ever again.
Speaker 2: You are so then, you are right now in your
Speaker 2: life predominantly making your living as a fine artist.
Speaker 3: I would say it's like fifty to fifty. Yeah, fifty
Speaker 3: to fifty like stand up fifty let's just say showbiz
Speaker 3: with so many disease and fifty percent just making paintings. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that is all basically because of the gallery
Speaker 3: that I am now involved with. It's all No, it's
Speaker 3: all them. It's like a it's like you know, doing
Speaker 3: stand up versus like having a successful Netflix special or
Speaker 3: something like. As soon as they got involved, it turned
Speaker 3: into a real thing.
Speaker 2: That's so cool.
Speaker 3: It's I mean, dude, I you know, It's what I
Speaker 3: always kind of hoped what happened someday because my closet
Speaker 3: was getting very just of stacks of just paintings that
Speaker 3: would go away.
Speaker 2: From skeletons and secrets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people like, hey, I like your arm, but just
Speaker 3: come to my house. You'll leave with so much because
Speaker 3: there's just so much.
Speaker 2: But you did there. You maybe did the same thing
Speaker 2: with me where I used to be on the road,
Speaker 2: and while I was on the road, I would take
Speaker 2: with me. I used to do illustrations for this aptitude
Speaker 2: test and Texas like word problems would have illustrations. So
Speaker 2: I'd be on the road doing stand up and then
Speaker 2: in my hotel would have to draw you know, kids
Speaker 2: doing projects. I never knew what the questions were. They
Speaker 2: would never let me know the questions because it's part
Speaker 2: of an aptitude test. But I was always like, this
Speaker 2: is kind of cool that I'm doing.
Speaker 3: You used to have to do those like random business
Speaker 3: y spot illustrations for like I remember having a job
Speaker 3: for like a British business magazine. It was like this
Speaker 3: one's about team buildings, so it's there like me drawing
Speaker 3: business people like holding hands or like doing a handstand carad.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like you had you get the weirdest jobs,
Speaker 3: like I'm the cut like they used I did had
Speaker 3: to do an illustration of Flannery O'Connor. So that's just
Speaker 3: a Flannery O'Connor textbook in Spain. And you're like, this
Speaker 3: is sort of dumb, but also all right, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Can I see what my favorite commercial illustration is, which
Speaker 1: is the one that's in the front of the dry cleaners,
Speaker 1: And it's an illustration of a lady who I think
Speaker 1: you're supposed to believe is the tailor that works inside
Speaker 1: the dry cleaners. But she it's usually like a very
Speaker 1: kind of fifties looking blonde lady and she's got like
Speaker 1: glasses and then like a pencil behind her ear and
Speaker 1: like she's sewing something.
Speaker 3: And there's a there's a guy for yes, you see
Speaker 3: it all the time, and he has those like barbershop
Speaker 3: quartet things on his sleeves.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: It clearly you can order, like you can go and
Speaker 1: order window stickers or window art for your business in
Speaker 1: this way. But it's kind of this universal much like
Speaker 1: the guy on the pizza box it's just like an
Speaker 1: Italian guy with the big mustache holding a pizza or whatever.
Speaker 1: There's like a dry cleaner version, but there's one where
Speaker 1: I've I've taken the picture because I'm like, what, she's
Speaker 1: so sassy's it's like she's winking at you and it's
Speaker 1: like she's a tailor. But it's like just get in here.
Speaker 3: There's this really good documentary about J. C. Lion Decker.
Speaker 3: Do you know what J. C. Lion Decker is?
Speaker 2: Now? Okay? J C.
Speaker 3: Lion Decker quickly maybe the greatest illustrator of all time.
Speaker 3: Norman Rockwell's hero. He invented New Year's Baby. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: shirt collar man, but he was also a closet of
Speaker 3: homosexual because it was like the nineteen tens and twenties,
Speaker 3: and there's a great documentary about how now, like looking
Speaker 3: at his illustrations, there's so much codd like gay language
Speaker 3: in him that like I didn't even really register until
Speaker 3: you watch the documentary now, and it's always like a
Speaker 3: man and a woman, but there's another guy there, and
Speaker 3: the two guys are looking at each other like we
Speaker 3: have a secret, and they definitely that's it's so good
Speaker 3: and like the aerow shirt. Collar Man was based on
Speaker 3: his like long term partner, and he was his longer
Speaker 3: partner was so handsome. He used to get fan mail
Speaker 3: like a fictitious drawings of him. Yeah, like J. C.
Speaker 3: Lion Decker draws better than I don't. I don't even know,
Speaker 3: Like he was rot Normally he did like two hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty three New York post covers and Rockwell did
Speaker 3: two thirty two and stopped. Oh he didn't want to
Speaker 3: do more than him. Wow, he was like, you don't
Speaker 3: want this guy. Respect, gotta respect. He was a fucking juggernaut.
Speaker 3: Like the way he draws is so bananas. It's I
Speaker 3: can't have actually even like there's a lot of drawing
Speaker 3: where I'm like I could figure that out. I would
Speaker 3: look at him. I'm like, I don't know what you're
Speaker 3: doing here, bro.
Speaker 1: This was almost like a little bit art decoee and
Speaker 1: kind of like flouris a lot of flourishes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the guy who did the Star Wars posters
Speaker 3: in like Indiana Jones early on was emulating him. That's
Speaker 3: super crisp and like everything's just perfect and slick. He's
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to look up illustration get
Speaker 3: into J. C. Liondecker because that dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a ripper. Yeah, especially the inspired Rockwell.
Speaker 2: And that's that's so cool. There's only any painting of Rockwell.
Speaker 2: I just imagine a cop leaning over talking to a kid.
Speaker 2: That's all. I on a commemorative plate. Yeah, that I
Speaker 2: try to not break at my grandma's.
Speaker 3: My grandparents only knew that art is Norman Rockwell. So
Speaker 3: every Christmas, Kevin got a Norman Rockwell book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this start.
Speaker 3: But I do have a I will say I have
Speaker 3: a sweet ass plate that's you know, the one where
Speaker 3: he's drawing himself in the at.
Speaker 2: The end, Yeah, yeah, looking at her.
Speaker 3: And I have a commemorai plate of that badass. Yeah
Speaker 3: that's grandma's house. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I also have a print my mom. I got a
Speaker 3: normal I guess Sears did like a Norman Rockwell print
Speaker 3: series in the seventies. And I have like the Four
Speaker 3: Freedoms that they did the Four Freedoms, and I have
Speaker 3: freedom to worship, which was an odd choice for my
Speaker 3: mom to put in a house with my dad, who
Speaker 3: didn't go to church, but I think she was trying
Speaker 3: to like push him in that just a suggestion. Yeah, here, buddy,
Speaker 3: this is a nice painting. Get into the word.
Speaker 1: Have you heard the good word?
Speaker 3: Have you heard the good news?
Speaker 2: We're free to hear about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I went to that. They had a Norman
Speaker 3: Rockwell exhibit at the Ronald Reagan Museum, which was good
Speaker 3: but tough to enjoy considering where you were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's too much at once. It was a lot.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was the most whiteness you could absorb, truly white
Speaker 3: in one place. Yeah, I will say those old illustrations
Speaker 3: zone now go for a fortune, like they finally are
Speaker 3: kind of they cost what they should. Like. No, if
Speaker 3: you want to buy a Norman rock O painting, you're
Speaker 3: spending a million bucks.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 3: Even in Lion Decker Well, Lion Decker famously like got
Speaker 3: rid of all his art, like destroyed it all, but
Speaker 3: some was saved, Like he said his will like destroyed it.
Speaker 3: He wanted it all destroyed for some reason.
Speaker 2: When he burned it.
Speaker 3: I think like his partner was instructed to like burn it.
Speaker 3: But then they found like a huge stash of it
Speaker 3: in the basement or the attic of like their New
Speaker 3: York mansion. He forgot he was like rich there was
Speaker 3: a point where illustrators back then were like stars. So
Speaker 3: he was like super super super loaded. Yeah, but like
Speaker 3: live in a huge like New York state, upstate type.
Speaker 1: Of making your you know, basically common law husband burn
Speaker 1: your art. That's such a bitch move, Like it's basically
Speaker 1: like peace and you get nothing, like well bind that stuff.
Speaker 3: Back then, that stuff was worthless. Like there's a guy, okay,
Speaker 3: there's a there's an art store in the valley on
Speaker 3: Laurel Canyon. I can't I can't remember what it's called.
Speaker 3: But for a long time they used to have paintings
Speaker 3: all over the wall, like up high of this guy
Speaker 3: Andrew Loomis. Andrew Loomis. If you've ever got one of
Speaker 3: those how to Paint a Horse booklet? Sure, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: that's Andrew Loomis, like how to paint it?
Speaker 2: Like I got him right here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess he went in there one day
Speaker 3: and was like, hey, can I give you all these
Speaker 3: paintings and I can just get free art supplies. So
Speaker 3: there was like twenty of the like the nicest, like
Speaker 3: perfect nineteen fifties illustrations on the wall and you couldn't
Speaker 3: buy them. They were like no they're not for sale,
Speaker 3: and you couldn't. You're like, can I get closed there? No? No, no,
Speaker 3: And now they're not there more so I think someone
Speaker 3: was like, would you get these out of here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: These kids get robbed?
Speaker 3: Yeah in an art store on Laurel Canyon. Your valsurf
Speaker 3: Like this isn't enough, Like these are worth fortune. One
Speaker 3: time I had to transport my friend was the art
Speaker 3: director for a Foo Fighter's cover that Raymond Pettybone did,
Speaker 3: the guy who did the black flag logo. And I
Speaker 3: went to pick him up and he had a stack
Speaker 3: of like Raymond Pettybone drawings of like the stuff, and
Speaker 3: he just put it in the back of my Hanta
Speaker 3: Civic hatchback. He's like, let's go to lunch. I'm like,
Speaker 3: that's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of Pettybone scraps.
Speaker 3: I'm not leaving them there, and we please go to
Speaker 3: your hotel. Please. No, they weren't mine, he was. He
Speaker 3: had to scan them all, so he had to go
Speaker 3: to my house and they just got left in a trunk.
Speaker 3: I mean, who even I'm sure there's scraps somewhere that
Speaker 3: are I don't know. I don't know I took. I
Speaker 3: don't like. Part of me is like who cares? So
Speaker 3: like talking about there. I will say. The weird thing
Speaker 3: about being in the art world now is it's the
Speaker 3: talk of money is like overwhelming. Yeah, because it's all
Speaker 3: just and flipping and all this weird stuff. So many
Speaker 3: people that the art markets exploded. It's weird.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. There's so many good documentaries about like
Speaker 1: art scams and did you you know that one scammer
Speaker 1: that basically got that per I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: able to retell it accurately, but it's like the highest
Speaker 1: level art scam where they were like, oh, look we
Speaker 1: have and it's like, you know, I won't I don't
Speaker 1: even know.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's tons of like the fake Jackson Pollock thing
Speaker 3: was a big one, So many fake boscots because I
Speaker 3: just to throw them away and then people would pretend
Speaker 3: to find them in like the trash. Yeah, so there's
Speaker 3: a bit, just lots. It's tough with with Boscio that
Speaker 3: Andy Wereol Diaries documentary is really good, does it? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's really good.
Speaker 2: I started it. I did. I thought it would be
Speaker 2: more footage of parties with New Order playing in the background.
Speaker 2: So I did it really, Like, here's the cathedral. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna start with it. It's just going back too far.
Speaker 2: I'll revisit it. But yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3: It's very good.
Speaker 2: I mean he yeah, but didn't he get shot in
Speaker 2: the stomach.
Speaker 1: Some crazy galerie story.
Speaker 2: That was her? You know her name?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she shot this. I had at but she had
Speaker 1: a what's the word I'm looking for when you write
Speaker 1: up your proposal fanger manifesto. She had a whole manifesto.
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of it. There's a real good movie
Speaker 1: with Lily Taylor about her that Tyler.
Speaker 2: Is so good.
Speaker 3: She's so good, and she's Taylor is so good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she sh she guys, she's a good one.
Speaker 1: She actually was in a stand up audience. I didn't
Speaker 1: have to do a set, thank god. It was like
Speaker 1: this was mid this was this was late nineties, early
Speaker 1: two thousands, and it was some shitty fucking room that
Speaker 1: was also a bookstore in Santa Monica. It was like
Speaker 1: bad news. And I was with I think I was
Speaker 1: with Jeanine. I was with some friend that was on
Speaker 1: the show, and I was standing in the back and
Speaker 1: Lily Taylor was right in the middle, and she was
Speaker 1: not enjoying anyone's comedy and it was fucking hilarious. I
Speaker 1: was just like staring at her, like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: all anyone cares about in this room, and you look
Speaker 1: like you're being tortured, like it was so awful.
Speaker 3: Stand up isn't okay? This is I think for I
Speaker 3: think I can say this to comedy is a mental illness, yes,
Speaker 3: you know, And I just think comedy isn't for most everyone,
Speaker 3: Like I think it at this point should be like
Speaker 3: professional wrestling, where we just exist in our little space
Speaker 3: with where the parameters are understood, and like, don't try
Speaker 3: to make us culture. We're not. No, we're not even
Speaker 3: trying to be culture. We're literally over here transcribing our butts,
Speaker 3: So like, why can't you just it's like why it's
Speaker 3: literally they're just like, hey, should that clown write a novel?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I shouldn't like stop writing books, should not like these
Speaker 3: are the least well read people I've ever known. I'm
Speaker 3: including myself, and we're writing books.
Speaker 1: Everyone's writing books, everybody want no one's reading them, but
Speaker 1: we're all.
Speaker 3: Like here's like like you should have to you s
Speaker 3: just have to do so many book reports to a
Speaker 3: publisher before they let you write a book, like stop
Speaker 3: stop making us in the philosophers. We're just not no,
Speaker 3: and the three of us are some of the smartest
Speaker 3: comedians on the planet on available Like if we are
Speaker 3: not done, I narry a chair humping between us, and
Speaker 3: I'm saying and I shall do it. Don't hand don't
Speaker 3: leave me your keys, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: don't don't leave us, let us, let us go back
Speaker 3: to the trash. But you belong in the trash.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that is couldn't be more true. I
Speaker 1: think comedians are the ones that somehow suddenly decide that
Speaker 1: they are philosophers and that they are right. I mean
Speaker 1: I when I am self serious, it's the it's the
Speaker 1: worst and the least funny, and it's so easy because
Speaker 1: to me, being funny is like almost this nauseating side effect.
Speaker 1: It's this personality I built when I was like eight,
Speaker 1: and it's just never gone away. But I and I
Speaker 1: don't appreciate it. But like fucking holding forth on something
Speaker 1: and really telling people how it is is my favorite.
Speaker 1: I'm addicted to that, and I believe myself when I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying best when I see people do that. Oh, so
Speaker 3: you want to be in trouble. So you're looking you
Speaker 3: want to be in future trouble. That's what you want.
Speaker 3: You want the future. You're you're trying to grow. What
Speaker 3: you're doing is you're watering a seedling of future disdain.
Speaker 3: Is what you're doing when you're like, well the thing
Speaker 3: about you know, Israel and Palestine, You're like, oh, here
Speaker 3: we go, this should be awesome. Yeah, there's it's even
Speaker 3: to me, the Achilles heel of any comedian is wanting
Speaker 3: to be taken seriously. Yeah, and like because also because
Speaker 3: of my other job of being a fine artist, I
Speaker 3: have to be real careful because if you start talking
Speaker 3: about that stuff, it's like just remember like to not
Speaker 3: sound like an absolute hand job, like do your best
Speaker 3: here because you start if you've like read an article
Speaker 3: and art forum, hey, you'll need to sit there with
Speaker 3: a dictionary. And it is the most it is the
Speaker 3: most circular. I don't know who's I don't know who's for,
Speaker 3: Like I know it's sort of free people they're not
Speaker 3: reading it. There's no it's too dense. It is the dense,
Speaker 3: like every third sentence is a reference to something else
Speaker 3: that you then have to go find because you're talking
Speaker 3: about people writing it who are two hunder grand deep
Speaker 3: in critical theory, debt from some of the best. And
Speaker 3: these are people that are kind of smart, where like
Speaker 3: we shouldn't hang you know what I mean, like I'm
Speaker 3: not hanging with you, you're too smart. And but yeah,
Speaker 3: I have to be real careful because that's some you know,
Speaker 3: a large portion of my social media followers are from
Speaker 3: like sk like toy machine fans, So I get the
Speaker 3: occasional question or comment about my art that is not
Speaker 3: necessarily based in I would say art history, critical theory,
Speaker 3: philosophy is just like that looked like and you're like, sure, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: yes that part could be construed as looking like a dick.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad you saw that.
Speaker 1: You have to change your buyer to all are welcome here.
Speaker 2: Net.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a nice I'm glad there are you know,
Speaker 3: aren't There aren't many moments where you're really glad you're
Speaker 3: a comedian, but one of them, I'm glad I'm a
Speaker 3: comedian to just kind of cut the pretension of also
Speaker 3: being a working artist down.
Speaker 2: That was my least favorite part of being in art
Speaker 2: school and you you have to sit and as students
Speaker 2: critique other people's work, and there was always someone and
Speaker 2: they would be the least talented artists, but they were
Speaker 2: so good at bullshitting about art and it drove me nuts.
Speaker 2: Like the people that wanted to talk about it and
Speaker 2: talk about theory it. I hated it. Oh.
Speaker 3: I was in a class once and this student had
Speaker 3: planned to do something involving like running a cop car,
Speaker 3: but they couldn't get it together, so instead they just
Speaker 3: wrote on the wall can we leave early? In German?
Speaker 3: Which was hilarious. I was like yeah, But then we
Speaker 3: proceeded to have to talk about it for twenty minutes
Speaker 3: and I was one. I was like, guys, guys, guys.
Speaker 3: They admitted this was a joke. What are we doing here?
Speaker 2: They're just in a German class? Like, there's nothing more
Speaker 2: to it?
Speaker 3: Can we? I mean, the amount of people I saw
Speaker 3: had to watch burning love letters was a lot like
Speaker 3: I've had. I had to sit through the critique of
Speaker 3: a pile of actual garbage I don't know seven different times,
Speaker 3: like seven separate times. Someone brought in garbage put it
Speaker 3: on the ground and we had to discuss detritus, and
Speaker 3: we had to discuss it was just like, homie, yeah,
Speaker 3: just you can just paint an apple like it's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I was always doing. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I had some fruit or I had
Speaker 2: a photo of boats and I painted it and I
Speaker 2: like the way it looks. And then the kid who
Speaker 2: cut off one of his dreadlocks and also smeared some
Speaker 2: poop on the canvas would get an a because he
Speaker 2: talked about it for thirty minutes, and it drove me
Speaker 2: nuts that I love that that that you don't have
Speaker 2: to deal with that as much in the comedy world,
Speaker 2: Like you don't have to talk about a.
Speaker 3: On the way here, I saw a woman with a
Speaker 3: white woman with dreadlocks, and I just I just wondered
Speaker 3: to myself, who are you emulating?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Like where's that coming from? I feel like most fashion
Speaker 3: is like a, hey, you're cool, I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 3: So who's the Patreon's patron saint of white people dreadlocks?
Speaker 2: The people in lab coats from the matrix? I mean
Speaker 2: that's we know they are the most particular, each one
Speaker 2: a perfect circumference.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's from like a yoga cattle yoga clothing catalog,
Speaker 1: and then there's one lady in there that's making it work.
Speaker 3: They can't all be from Denver, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It can't only be Denver doing this, and it can't
Speaker 3: only be New Mexico. We can't pin it on just
Speaker 3: those places.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's I feel fab la the only I.
Speaker 3: Feel like there's one Every bad thing gets an exception.
Speaker 3: And Keith Morris from Black Flag is allowed to keep
Speaker 3: his tread box. I see him all the time. He
Speaker 3: lives in Felis. Yeah, he lives in those Felis. I'm walking. Look,
Speaker 3: I don't care like they they're is and that they
Speaker 3: have a bald spot. Always not sure. I'm worried. I'm
Speaker 3: worried that we do have some traction alopecia where the
Speaker 3: way he's pulling back, you know, like a ballet answer experiences.
Speaker 3: But he's he's him, and so he gets to he
Speaker 3: gets that like he's too cool of a dude.
Speaker 1: He's earned it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Originally singer Black Flag Circle Jerks come on and wrote
Speaker 3: a decent book. I read his book. It was very
Speaker 3: just like this is what happened. We're all fucked up.
Speaker 3: That's what I want. I want just like we were
Speaker 3: fucked up and.
Speaker 1: You're like yeah, And then he pulls out one dreadlock
Speaker 1: and he's like, that happened right about here, like the
Speaker 1: rings of a tree. But he pulls the hair apart
Speaker 1: a little bit, like a lighter falls out Canyon Club.
Speaker 2: Right here.
Speaker 1: I can still smell it.
Speaker 2: Is a pine cone.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I think of Black Flag, I just think
Speaker 2: of the guy from Henry Rowlands. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And now, for some reason, Mike Valley is the lead
Speaker 3: singer of Black Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sometimes yeah, I don't know if now, sometimes it's
Speaker 2: a perfect amount yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, just the occasional
Speaker 2: occasional like oh he's sick, yeah yeah, yeah, I might
Speaker 2: be all right, all right cool.
Speaker 1: I love that all of these punk bands became kind
Speaker 1: of like popular. They were around when I was a
Speaker 1: young teen, and we knew not to pretend. You weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to pretend to like punk if you actually didn't
Speaker 1: no very serious what you were talking about. So it
Speaker 1: literally scares me to be in this conversation because right
Speaker 1: there's I know how you feel. I've watched guys talk
Speaker 1: like you know, circle jerks that did it whatever again,
Speaker 1: if you try to pretend that's the worst possible thing
Speaker 1: totally you could have done in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was basically pretending I didn't care. I
Speaker 2: didn't know or care about the dead Kennedys or the sexpistles.
Speaker 2: But was I writing it on every single notebook when
Speaker 2: I was a kid while secretly was just listening to
Speaker 2: The Cure Yeah, and OMD and all my sisters music. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I knew, I knew how to draw the logos,
Speaker 2: So that buys you, so street.
Speaker 1: That does help.
Speaker 3: I was forced to listen to the Cure, and like,
Speaker 3: you know Smiths, my brother as room was next to mine,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 2: Don't like the Cure.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I never had a choice.
Speaker 3: I wasn't given the chance to have them introduced to
Speaker 3: me because my brother were at night shift at a supermarket,
Speaker 3: so at five am, the Smiths were just ripping through
Speaker 3: my house. So like, I know the words to every
Speaker 3: more Seene Smith's song against My Will, same with Tira,
Speaker 3: the same with nine inch Nails, Knits, Reb, the Sugar Cubes.
Speaker 3: You know all of it, and all of it's good,
Speaker 3: like New Order. But I was never like now, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 3: New Order's pretty good, but at the time, I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm awake to it, like like I was.
Speaker 1: Like it was your alarm clock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, a New Order would just start blaring from
Speaker 3: my brother's bathroom. He had a giant boom box that
Speaker 3: he would turn on when he would take a shower,
Speaker 3: and so it was just every morning, I'm seventeen.
Speaker 2: Bizarre love Triangle. I guess it's time to go to school.
Speaker 3: Really, like, I shouldn't be this sad.
Speaker 1: My sister was older than me, so she was always
Speaker 1: the one driving, and she basically controlled the radio unless
Speaker 1: I really fought her. So I had the exact same thing,
Speaker 1: but the inverse, because I wanted to be less to
Speaker 1: all those bands you just named. But I was listening
Speaker 1: to Boston, Foreigner, AC DC, fucking all of it and
Speaker 1: had to and that was just kind of, like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was just kind of the way of the world.
Speaker 3: I asked a guy from Boston. I was like, are
Speaker 3: the Pixies a big like band in Boston where people
Speaker 3: from Boston love him? He's like, Nope, not as much
Speaker 3: as you think, he goes. Most of them are into
Speaker 3: the band Boston. I was like, yeah, wow, that tracks right,
Speaker 3: that makes sense. Yeah, yep, yeah, have you.
Speaker 2: Ever there's a you probably haven't seen it because I
Speaker 2: had to go down a weird dive on YouTube, but
Speaker 2: there is a long interview with David Bowie talking about
Speaker 2: how great he thinks the Pixies are and it's really fun.
Speaker 3: I don't know, have you seen have you seen Loud
Speaker 3: Quiet Loud their documentary? No, it's great and it's fascinating
Speaker 3: because it's like the whole documentary are like, did you
Speaker 3: guys just meet? Why are they this awkward around each other?
Speaker 3: It's incredible they didn't get along right, all kinds of
Speaker 3: it's it's it doesn't feel comple like they didn't get along.
Speaker 3: I think it's just literally everyone in the band has
Speaker 3: the exact same personality and they just can't They don't
Speaker 3: know how to hang out with anybody.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I feel like the Pixies, they all were
Speaker 2: dependent on some chemical and it was never the same.
Speaker 2: One one was a drinker, the other ones on barbituus,
Speaker 2: the other one.
Speaker 3: In the documentary, the drummer became the drummer became a magician, right,
Speaker 3: oh wow, that's when, you know, But like a professional,
Speaker 3: I think a professional level magician, like he was making
Speaker 3: a living doing kind of like magic stuff. And so
Speaker 3: one of the shows his parents are coming, so he
Speaker 3: opens the show with his magic. No, and I will
Speaker 3: say it was respectable magic. You were like, oh you
Speaker 3: have a real magic act. Drummer of the Pixies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Matt I when I say oh no,
Speaker 2: I think of bad magic.
Speaker 3: But well then later in the documentary he's so high
Speaker 3: they have to like stop a show, like, you know,
Speaker 3: he's just he's like waste and he keeps playing this
Speaker 3: one part of the song when it should have stopped
Speaker 3: being that part of the song. Yeah, he's just going
Speaker 3: for it too hard. And you see Frank blacko are
Speaker 3: you high like that?
Speaker 2: Oh wow? Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I got Frank Black's autograph on a book that
Speaker 3: was pretty exciting.
Speaker 2: In Glinda say Frank Black or Black Francis. He said,
Speaker 2: Frank Black, Well, well that's how you know you got
Speaker 2: a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was at a party once that Kim Deal came
Speaker 1: to that was really exciting. We all just kind of
Speaker 1: stood on one side of a pool and stared at
Speaker 1: her standing on the other side of the hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I saw I saw one
Speaker 3: of I saw the Pixies when Kim Deal was still
Speaker 3: touring with him, and it was like, you guys are
Speaker 3: the coolest band I've ever seen. You're so weird. Like
Speaker 3: I just listened to them, I'm like, who the hell
Speaker 3: we're in your head? Were you like the song should
Speaker 3: sound like this?
Speaker 2: Yeh?
Speaker 3: In the documentary, the guitar players just going bear like
Speaker 3: and Frank Blacke's that's a classic Pixies guitar solo. You're
Speaker 3: just like, I guess when they when they came back
Speaker 3: the very they you know, hadn't tourn a long time.
Speaker 3: They did Coachella and Radiohead was playing. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're Radiohead, but the fucking Pixies are about to be
Speaker 3: on like they're the weirdest band. They're so good. It
Speaker 3: just does I can't. I can't listen to and be like,
Speaker 3: how did this even happen?
Speaker 2: Is it all?
Speaker 3: Because it can't be all Frank Black because Kim Deal
Speaker 3: wrote some like great, so obviously reader baders are so
Speaker 3: what's the weird alchemy that is this bizarre sounding band? Like, hey,
Speaker 3: let's just use these lyrics in Spanish and they're like
Speaker 3: this one's about me being molested, but there's a Spanish party,
Speaker 3: like cool. Yeah, it's like they had They just were like,
Speaker 3: we're going to just do this and see what happen.
Speaker 1: Also, I just am mad that more women don't do
Speaker 1: what I do and and dress like Kim Deal, just
Speaker 1: kind of wear a weird shirt and hope for the best.
Speaker 1: Like that's I every time I see a picture from him,
Speaker 1: like that's what I'm doing. No one does this with me,
Speaker 1: No one.
Speaker 3: You're just gonna hang. You're a Kim Deal like you.
Speaker 3: I like, when I look at you, I'm like, that's
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: Girl, Karen, you are a Kim Deal. You're a big
Speaker 2: Kim Deal.
Speaker 3: Those were my There wasn't. There was a band in
Speaker 3: the nineties and kind of an l a band called
Speaker 3: Edna Swap Yeah, and you know they famously they wrote
Speaker 3: Torn which then Natalie and Broly. The angriest I think
Speaker 3: I've ever been is when Karok played the Natalie and
Speaker 3: Brouly version. I called in a fervor, like in sense
Speaker 3: I was literally yelling at Tammy Heidi because she was
Speaker 3: like brand new at the place, and so she was
Speaker 3: answering phones and I'm like, what the fuck is this bullshit?
Speaker 3: Like freaking out. She's like, listen, I would love to
Speaker 3: play Edna Swap, but they I cannot do that. I
Speaker 3: worshiped that band. He used to fall. I used to
Speaker 3: see Sorry, sorry sorry, Fiercely Private Animals.
Speaker 2: Yeah good, Hey, that's a good merch callback. Yeah that
Speaker 2: was a good That was very impressive And I drew that.
Speaker 2: Did you know that?
Speaker 3: Oh that's so that's an exactly right callback you guys
Speaker 3: I've been in since the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, family has been supporter.
Speaker 2: There are some people that just pump their fists.
Speaker 3: I DM so many unused merch ideas, like it is something.
Speaker 1: I thought long ago.
Speaker 3: I am the seeing of unused merch ideas for my
Speaker 3: friends podcast. I DM what I think are truly brilliant ideas.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, if you and every it's like, if
Speaker 3: you don't do this, you're fucking stupid and you don't
Speaker 3: like money and why like I don't understand that there's
Speaker 3: a business involved, and maybe they can't just like call
Speaker 3: a printer immediately, and I'm just like, I DM uh
Speaker 3: Tom Segura an idea a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 3: the fact that it's not in print. I'm just like,
Speaker 3: you're an asshole and I'm mad at you and I
Speaker 3: hate you. Yeah, keep making your bike shirts.
Speaker 1: I think your merch idea for my favorite murder was
Speaker 1: amazing though. But I'm not the only one that that
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 3: I was gonna draw Karen and Georgia shot style, like
Speaker 3: police sketch style. Oh yeah, But I realized in retrospect,
Speaker 3: I maybe should have made the drawing of Georgia ladding
Speaker 3: on any level, like I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, everyone here, there weren't.
Speaker 3: Many, like just frontal pictures of her. It was a
Speaker 3: lot of head turn and you need a dead frontal one.
Speaker 3: And the only frontal one I could find to work
Speaker 3: from just it was like a passport level.
Speaker 1: It's different for girls. It's different for girls.
Speaker 2: Yeah you got that, find the right photo reference.
Speaker 3: You can't make someone look. You can't take to a
Speaker 3: seemingly attractive people and be like what if you weren't?
Speaker 3: They're like, why would I do this?
Speaker 2: Imagine the world a cartoon character.
Speaker 1: Turn it down a little bit, like, hey, you want
Speaker 1: some merch where.
Speaker 3: You look sick?
Speaker 2: What about an oversized cat? And for no reason, you're
Speaker 2: holding a surfboard on a war.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just all My ideas for people are just
Speaker 3: their worst traits. I'm just like, hey, Burt, you're super fat.
Speaker 3: You want to like lean into that ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: He didn't, he didn't message me back. It's so crazy
Speaker 1: what happened and I and I'm so I just hurt.
Speaker 1: But Kevin, now you have the fucking the last laugh
Speaker 1: where you're like, well, then go to my fucking gallery
Speaker 1: if you want an idea for Yeah, how about you
Speaker 1: go to my New York City show.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you the turning down I do now
Speaker 3: is just exquish. Yeah. I'm like, no, I can't do
Speaker 3: your T shirt design. I got to deal with this
Speaker 3: fine art waiting list. You dick.
Speaker 2: With art stuff. It was the coming up with a
Speaker 2: price and scolding yourself by making an hourly thing, because
Speaker 2: the better you get, the faster you can finish things.
Speaker 2: It's like, wait, I'm I'm doing myself a disservice doing
Speaker 2: an hourly thing. I'll just come up with these numbers.
Speaker 2: I don't mind it as much would stand up where
Speaker 2: I'm like how much do you want for a set?
Speaker 2: And I can kind of do a realistic quote with
Speaker 2: stand up for some reason that doesn't bother me with that,
Speaker 2: but with art, my back starts to sweat the minute
Speaker 2: someone's like, what would you charge for this? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Until I do it, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: how long, how much trouble I'm going to have, or
Speaker 2: if I have some weird full frontal drawing of you
Speaker 2: and I make you look bizarre. Yeah, it's It's the
Speaker 2: hardest thing for me is coming up with a price tag.
Speaker 3: The very first like solo show I ever had was
Speaker 3: this gallery in San Francisco called Jack Hanley Gallery, and
Speaker 3: he was a super He's a rad mellow, just kind
Speaker 3: of like hippie dude, and he was like, what do
Speaker 3: you want to price them? I was like, well, I
Speaker 3: want so that anyone can buy him. And he was like,
Speaker 3: all right, what's up? And I was like, sure, two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty bucks. And I see him and there
Speaker 3: was a lot of drawings, but I could see his
Speaker 3: face like all right, We're never doing this again. Just
Speaker 3: you know, He's like he's like, oh, you don't know
Speaker 3: what rent is, Like you have no idea what rent is,
Speaker 3: and like, so now I just don't the beauty of
Speaker 3: dealing with the gallery is that's I don't handle any
Speaker 3: of it right. They caught like they have a sales director.
Speaker 3: They cost what they cost the last I was in
Speaker 3: a group show with them a couple months ago and
Speaker 3: I had a buyer for one of them, and I
Speaker 3: was like, did that guy buy it? He goes no,
Speaker 3: he want it for like a crap price, Like what
Speaker 3: do you ask for it or what do you want
Speaker 3: to buy it for? And the price he wanted for
Speaker 3: was what I was going to price it as. And
Speaker 3: they're like, no, it's just so much. I was like,
Speaker 3: is it really? I couldn't. I couldn't believe it. I
Speaker 3: was like, you seriously got that's what it is. It's
Speaker 3: because that's their you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah space, you're in the gallery just like you're not
Speaker 1: doing anybody favors. It's not about that anymore.
Speaker 3: Like I sold everything in the New York show I had,
Speaker 3: and I guarantee I didn't cover their rent. There's no
Speaker 3: way like these space Like they opened a space here
Speaker 3: in LA you were in there.
Speaker 2: For a full month, So that is the realistic expectation
Speaker 2: is that you cover their rent that month.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they have like multiple shows at time like
Speaker 3: the space they have in La it's the old Kelly
Speaker 3: Paper place. It's eight thousand square feet. Like oh, they
Speaker 3: have to sell thousand, like millions of dollars in art
Speaker 3: just to cover their expenses, so like low balling any
Speaker 3: of it. I'm just like, this isn't my business man,
Speaker 3: I'm just here making these and these guys got to pay.
Speaker 3: And what people don't understand gallery say, like, but they
Speaker 3: what they do for you for that half because now
Speaker 3: once you become like now I get lots of dms,
Speaker 3: like hey, do you sell out of your studio. That's
Speaker 3: the thing that happens next. Art vultures come and they
Speaker 3: want to buy stuff from you to get it cheap.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't because I don't get anything
Speaker 3: from selling it to you. Like they do a ton
Speaker 3: of shit for me, and that's what they get the
Speaker 3: money for. They like seeing a painting a big fancy
Speaker 3: gallery looks cooler than me just mailing it to you, right, And.
Speaker 1: The pricing is about it's about demand, it's about stance,
Speaker 1: it's a you know, it's about optics. So it's like
Speaker 1: you have a painting that's like a big green square
Speaker 1: and if the price I'm sure I feel like I've
Speaker 1: seen this in movies or something. But it's like, if
Speaker 1: you stick ten thousand dollars on there, someone might buy it,
Speaker 1: but if you if you go two fifty, people are
Speaker 1: like that old shitty square. It's just all there's a
Speaker 1: lot of that kind of human interpretation.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, art is very wacky. My favorite art
Speaker 3: story is so John Hughes's lawyer bought uh the Jeff
Speaker 3: Koons Basketball Chambers, which was a glass chamber that came
Speaker 3: with two basketball It's like aquarium with two basketballs in
Speaker 3: water and it comes with a certificate that says you
Speaker 3: can change the water and the basketballs because the basketball
Speaker 3: is to plate in water. And it costs two million dollars.
Speaker 3: And that's hilarious and stupid. Yeah, I'm so glad it happened,
Speaker 3: and I'm I see. I love that the crazy art
Speaker 3: world exists. I love it because it's like, what's what
Speaker 3: else are we supposed to like our big dumb human
Speaker 3: brains that we think are so special, Like, what's the
Speaker 3: other level besides just goods and services? You need to
Speaker 3: not die? Like to me, it has to like that's
Speaker 3: the only proof we're not like a little different from
Speaker 3: from like animal animals is we do this other stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean I take it like super seriously. I don't
Speaker 3: ever like let it out, but like that shit like
Speaker 3: art to me is the whole thing, Like that's the
Speaker 3: only thing for any of us, Like that's the next
Speaker 3: thing your brains, the only it's the thing that you
Speaker 3: should that keeps humans I don't know.
Speaker 1: Human, I guess and connected. And also it's the thing
Speaker 1: that in this town is thrown out the windows so
Speaker 1: quickly where people love because there's so few people that
Speaker 1: have any kind of a handle on talent or taste
Speaker 1: or what's good that it just there's just such a
Speaker 1: low respect for actual art. Yeah, that I like when
Speaker 1: people actually kind of go out of their career way
Speaker 1: to do it anyway, because I think that's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's what the key. The only difference
Speaker 3: in the only difference now in my life is it's
Speaker 3: someone selling them. It's like just it's a thing you
Speaker 3: just do all the time because you feel if I
Speaker 3: don't know if you feel is like this, Chris, but
Speaker 3: I feel like if you have a talent, you don't
Speaker 3: use it, you're kind of like spitting in the faces
Speaker 3: of people that weren't lucky enough to get one, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I always think of people I knew when I
Speaker 3: was younger that were like nice people, smart people who
Speaker 3: just couldn't find necessarily a calling to do, Like you're
Speaker 3: so lucky to be able to do a thing that's
Speaker 3: like it can people think it's interesting and valuable and
Speaker 3: like they're like, oh, you have a talent, Like to
Speaker 3: not do it just seems like such a damn waste.
Speaker 2: Well, it always offended me when someone was like, oh,
Speaker 2: if I had your talent, I'd do it all the time.
Speaker 2: I would love And it's like, I'm sorry, but it
Speaker 2: feels like work to me. I'm sorry that I don't
Speaker 2: enjoy it as much as you think you would if
Speaker 2: you to me, it's not. It's work. And so when
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it, it's there is like like I'm
Speaker 2: doing a diskservice.
Speaker 3: There is a lack of understanding about how hard it
Speaker 3: actually is. I mean, I realized that after graduating art schools.
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, oh, art school must be fun. You're like,
Speaker 3: it is the most grueling, unfun, Like it's fun that
Speaker 3: you're doing art and talking about it all the time,
Speaker 3: but like I've never slept less than my entire life.
Speaker 3: Like you had classes, like you have to do five
Speaker 3: thousand swatches in this class. Like yeah, I don't know that,
Speaker 3: but I don't want to. You have to draw watches
Speaker 3: a thousand hands. You're like I ow, but like you,
Speaker 3: I like.
Speaker 2: I like drawing hands. My dad hands, draw hands over
Speaker 2: and over and over. In the basement. He would just say,
Speaker 2: look at your left hand, draw it with your right,
Speaker 2: Look at your right hand, drop with your left it
Speaker 2: over and over.
Speaker 3: Well you can.
Speaker 2: I think this is abuse. I think your beaus is.
Speaker 2: It does sound like, man, I'm getting good at drawing hands.
Speaker 1: Why the basement? He took you down to the basis.
Speaker 2: It was cooler, It was the coolest. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know why. There was a double bolt lock on the door.
Speaker 2: And it's like, hey, these are just at home art lessons.
Speaker 2: Why are you sliding a tray of food on your hair?
Speaker 1: But I don't think you should hoes me down after
Speaker 1: my one thousand hand.
Speaker 2: I'm in sixth grade. But I do, I do, miss I,
Speaker 2: I do appreciate that my dad did that so much.
Speaker 3: I have I always said I have in my head
Speaker 3: when I when I'm making artists like I haven't like
Speaker 3: invisible dad in the back of my head, like that
Speaker 3: looks realistic, Like that'sun how his generation judged art like that, Look,
Speaker 3: you know you really got the dad that's a good
Speaker 3: looking sphere and kills around.
Speaker 2: I was lucky to have an art school dad that
Speaker 2: would that.
Speaker 3: You're down in a very good.
Speaker 2: Very good painter. Yeah, he is a way, but that
Speaker 2: I honestly the way you said you you dove back
Speaker 2: into it and kind of re taught yourself how to
Speaker 2: be an oil painter, which to me is intimidating. I'm
Speaker 2: scared to not be as good as I once was.
Speaker 3: I'm going to level with you. So oil painting the
Speaker 3: first week you're in the weeds, and then it's easier,
Speaker 3: don't tell me. Yeah, it takes so long to dry.
Speaker 3: You have all this time to fix things.
Speaker 2: Oh, easier than a crylic Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, acrylic you're on the clock like that.
Speaker 2: I for some reason, I like that. I want it
Speaker 2: to be over.
Speaker 3: But you ever, if you want to do a clear
Speaker 3: glaze and acrylic, you got to have a spray bottle
Speaker 3: in one hand and the will to murder in the other,
Speaker 3: because you got no time no time. Yeah, you oil,
Speaker 3: you lay a thing, you got days. You can't just brush,
Speaker 3: It's like an airbrush.
Speaker 2: Get in. Yeah, I think I'm lazy and don't want
Speaker 2: to deal with the getting rid of the chemicals. The
Speaker 2: chemical can't just pour him down a sink. What do
Speaker 2: you go to the facility?
Speaker 3: It's gonna can't do with your I will die from it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well what do you do with it?
Speaker 2: Do you do?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 2: Okay, use the actual paint thinner. I will I use
Speaker 2: this use going into a boring territory. I'm sorry, little bit,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, care I'm so interested in it.
Speaker 3: There's a.
Speaker 2: We don't have to talk about.
Speaker 1: I want to hear where Kevin keeps his chemicals.
Speaker 3: There's no Yeah, there's a no fumes gamsaw thinner that
Speaker 3: I use as a medium and a brush cleanser.
Speaker 2: And Karen, I'm so sorry I asked.
Speaker 3: There's a pile of rocks near my back door, and
Speaker 3: that's where I dump uh the when when the paint
Speaker 3: center gets too thick, when it's you get sludge at
Speaker 3: the bottom of where you clean your brushes, and I
Speaker 3: dump it into that pile of rocks.
Speaker 2: And Kylo rocks from Shawshank where he's proposed to his wife.
Speaker 3: No, it's not like and you're gonna see an obsidian
Speaker 3: rock that has.
Speaker 2: No bas ethly business being there, And I guess I
Speaker 2: just missed my friend.
Speaker 3: Why do all men love Shashank Red?
Speaker 2: It's I love story much like a lethal weapon. It's
Speaker 2: two men that are in friends to the point where
Speaker 2: they are in love. They're yeah, they're in love.
Speaker 1: And also at its base is a Stephen King story.
Speaker 1: And Stephen King is one of the greatest writers that we've.
Speaker 3: Ever had, and I appreciate it literally, He's one of
Speaker 3: those people that's so prolific you kind of like, ah,
Speaker 3: it's like the Beatles. You're like are they and you're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they were actually that great.
Speaker 1: He writes great fucking stories. And the ending of Shashank
Speaker 1: and the reason everyone loves it is because finally we
Speaker 1: have a movie that's worth the watch. You get to
Speaker 1: the end, the poster fucking comes down, all is right
Speaker 1: with the world. You actually feel better having watched, So.
Speaker 3: Stand by me, Like, yeah, that dude's wheelhouse is bunkers.
Speaker 1: Also pet Cemetery, you see a three year old get
Speaker 1: hit by a semi truck I love Pete the voice.
Speaker 2: Now listen here past guest and and not but Henry
Speaker 2: Phillips's mother was the voice of the possessed child in
Speaker 2: pet Cemetery. That's so chew on that ship you on.
Speaker 3: That I ruined everything I watch with my girlfriend by
Speaker 3: pointing out who that person was and something else. I'm
Speaker 3: like two episodes of phrase for that guy, two episodes
Speaker 3: of like I ruined pointing out the dog and if
Speaker 3: I'm watching TV and I love British things, so I
Speaker 3: yell out. We got a crown. We got a crown.
Speaker 3: That's a crown. That's we got a crown and a
Speaker 3: Harry Potter. We got a Potter and a crown.
Speaker 1: This is with the British. With the British cast, we'll
Speaker 1: call them the cast. That is the country of England.
Speaker 3: There's twenty five actors, truly, and I'm just like.
Speaker 2: There you are.
Speaker 1: I love you, Hugh Bonneville. Whatever you're about to say,
Speaker 1: I'll believe it, and I'll follow you all the way through.
Speaker 3: They're just too good.
Speaker 1: They're so good they care. They go to school for
Speaker 1: acting for so long.
Speaker 3: I I love a guest star that was in like
Speaker 3: one episode of Falcon Crest or something like, I'm and
Speaker 3: then I just love seeing that they're still they're still
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, are you you're still out there shipping away,
Speaker 2: falcon Crest. I'm just I appreciate that you watch TV
Speaker 2: with your parents when you were a kid, Falcon Crest.
Speaker 3: I dude, I was raised by the television in a
Speaker 3: way that was that was every like latch key kid.
Speaker 3: It was just me and that TV. I also had insomnia,
Speaker 3: so I would just watch TV all night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was raised by the TV. I breastfed on
Speaker 2: the knob.
Speaker 3: That's so. I used to watch televangelists, like That's how
Speaker 3: I got into everything. Yeah, yeah, just late night because
Speaker 3: on Saturday after Saturday Night Live after midnight, like the
Speaker 3: First Church Show would start like two am. It's a
Speaker 3: guy named where are you from? I'm from Locke, Personna.
Speaker 1: There's a guy walking around my neighborhood and the dogs
Speaker 1: are not having it. I'm sorry, hold on.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a Maybe he's a predator of some kind
Speaker 2: of the dogs.
Speaker 3: No listening. Karen is panami.
Speaker 2: No, Karen is reacting and conversing with what could only
Speaker 2: be a human.
Speaker 3: This is also my favorite thing.
Speaker 2: Facial expression you were delivering your demands to a dog with.
Speaker 3: Also one of my favorite things to watch and TV
Speaker 3: is an extra that goes too hard in pantomime. Oh that.
Speaker 1: Talk at the same time at each other, blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. They won't relent, and.
Speaker 2: Then they both start eating soup simultaneously.
Speaker 3: Like when I'm on set.
Speaker 2: Not to brag, this is my life, but I know
Speaker 2: your union. You get the insurance.
Speaker 3: AFTRA eligible and I would walk like I would love ending.
Speaker 3: I would love when I saw I would look in
Speaker 3: the corner of my eye and see two extras that
Speaker 3: don't realize they're not a camera anymore. So they're just
Speaker 3: they're high fiving doing it like they're borderline. It's a
Speaker 3: dance and they are making points and listening to points.
Speaker 3: I love the background. They get such a bad rap,
Speaker 3: but god, what you couldn't what would you do without them?
Speaker 3: They are, I mean so necessary.
Speaker 1: Every date in the in the background of a scene
Speaker 1: of a TV show or a movie is is, on paper,
Speaker 1: the worst date anyone could be on, because I rarely
Speaker 1: imagine sitting across from a person who keeps talking while
Speaker 1: you talk like every time, I'm like, why won't one
Speaker 1: of you agree to relent? Why won't one of you listen?
Speaker 1: It's just as interesting to be an active listener as
Speaker 1: it is to be a nodding, smiling talker.
Speaker 2: And I know I've I've dropped this credit a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do it again when I'm an extra
Speaker 2: in the in the Western American Outlaws about Billy Billy
Speaker 2: the Kid. I did mostly nodding. I mostly acknowledged I
Speaker 2: was a listener in the background, and and yes I'm
Speaker 2: blurry and most shots.
Speaker 1: But I just need to say that my dog was
Speaker 1: fit turned the other way, which is why I was
Speaker 1: pantomiming towards her. I was trying to get her attention.
Speaker 1: It wasn't for the camera.
Speaker 2: I know, No, I know you weren't playing it up
Speaker 2: for visuals.
Speaker 3: I just was like, watched the guys watch this extras?
Speaker 1: I love them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are extras acting on zoom with your dog? You
Speaker 2: were in an argument? I was ever.
Speaker 1: I wish i'd figured out a way to You know,
Speaker 1: what I really love is one extras figure out how
Speaker 1: even though they have they're crossing and basically their backs
Speaker 1: become to the camera. They figure out a way to
Speaker 1: turn around, like you see that in movies.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: There's some people that really know how to do it.
Speaker 1: Do I check my worst in commercials?
Speaker 3: In commercials, to be fair, you're talking about the difference
Speaker 3: between one hundred dollars and ten thousand dollars, right if
Speaker 3: you Yeah, if you can get your face on camera
Speaker 3: for like over three seconds like I used to. Just
Speaker 3: when I first started doing commercials, I didn't have lines.
Speaker 3: I was always just craning in. It was pee wee
Speaker 3: Herman when he's coming into frame in the movie when
Speaker 3: he's trying to like, because you can if you do
Speaker 3: it and you trick them and you get in a
Speaker 3: good take. You're getting because you don't get paid more
Speaker 3: or less for talking in a commercial. It's the same.
Speaker 3: It's just being on screen and you're face being this
Speaker 3: so you can really insure way into a whole new
Speaker 3: income level. So like it's I love it.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that. I wish I had consulted with
Speaker 2: you for my last let Kinta.
Speaker 3: In Oh I Love Commercial.
Speaker 2: This is one of those episodes I figured it would happen,
Speaker 2: but we've gone ours. Oh my god, five minute yeah,
Speaker 2: I know. I know, because we're having fun.
Speaker 3: You got you got Christy, Hey.
Speaker 1: A bit?
Speaker 2: You do it again so fast that yeah, this is
Speaker 2: going to end with it to be continued. We're gonna
Speaker 2: have to divide this up.
Speaker 3: Because you know, talent, it goes at the speed of fun, so.
Speaker 2: It really does up.
Speaker 3: Just don't Yeah you're gonna that's it. By the way,
Speaker 3: a great T shirt. I don't know, you're not.
Speaker 1: There's your merch for yourself.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: That's you know what. I would never make merch for myself.
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it. I'd hire someone else. I would
Speaker 3: only think.
Speaker 2: I would be like I need to, I'll accept the deal.
Speaker 2: I'm glad, thank you. Yes, yeah, you'll know when I'm done.
Speaker 2: That's what I always say when I slam the I
Speaker 2: throw the phone across the road.
Speaker 3: When people ask my friends like, does Kevin do commissions?
Speaker 3: I go tell them I'm slow and expensive, and then
Speaker 3: I never that's great.
Speaker 2: See, yeah, I don't want to work either. Kevin. You
Speaker 2: what do you? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Any plugs?
Speaker 3: Uh? If you want to look at my art, you
Speaker 3: can get my Instagram at Kevin G. Christy.
Speaker 2: Do you have Kevin g Christy g in the middle.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you stands for George Gordon Gordon of course, Gordon
Speaker 2: my grandfather's name, my second guest yep uh and same
Speaker 2: for if you want to see some jokes, you can
Speaker 2: go on Twitter. Twitter.
Speaker 3: You other than that, just follow the teachings of christ
Speaker 3: and so I want to change your life. There's a
Speaker 3: book called Dynetics. I recommend.
Speaker 1: I just remember, Sorry, Chris, I just remember one of
Speaker 1: my favorite, honestly memories of my life because I knew
Speaker 1: Kevin Christy from comedy and I knew him from Twitter.
Speaker 1: I saw him. I saw him on a TV series
Speaker 1: about fantasy football on a plane one time and became
Speaker 1: number one fan. Have I never talked to you about this? No?
Speaker 2: I saw you in the league.
Speaker 1: No oh no, it was a different thing.
Speaker 3: Gary Ferrara, you may know him as Turtle and Max Greenfield.
Speaker 3: You may know Schmidt.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know. I had two callbacks for Turtle and
Speaker 2: I didn't get it. They gave that that kid, that
Speaker 2: manager of a Lids store. I should have worn my
Speaker 2: car all hat A little upset.
Speaker 3: It's a terrible He helped me through my divorce, how dairy.
Speaker 2: Well he makes the hell of a fat sandwich.
Speaker 3: Saw. I mean she was in men's health.
Speaker 2: He looks like he's going to beat me up. Now
Speaker 2: I was kidding.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. Here's the thing, Jerry comes from a place.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't get in a fight with that man. He
Speaker 3: grew up in He grew up in Brooklyn when it
Speaker 3: wasn't when it wasn't fancy.
Speaker 1: Back to my story. Sorry, I knew Kevin from Twitter
Speaker 1: from that TV show. Then I followed him on Twitter,
Speaker 1: didn't understand how Twitter worked, and faved every single thing
Speaker 1: he posted, not understanding I could see it and would
Speaker 1: probably see me doing that. Didn't know that in the beginning,
Speaker 1: felt humiliated. Then was doing comedy shows like some like
Speaker 1: either at the same time or was around him. Then
Speaker 1: felt especially humiliated. And then one day I walked out
Speaker 1: of therapy with a huge, swollen, crying face and here's
Speaker 1: Kevin Christie sitting in the waiting room of my therapist's
Speaker 1: office because there was like three therapists. And the first
Speaker 1: time I was like, Wow, it can't get worse with
Speaker 1: this fucking guy. Truly, After like the third time we
Speaker 1: saw each other in passing because my appointment was always ending,
Speaker 1: when his was beginning. One time, Kevin just held up
Speaker 1: the silent fist and we did a fist bump, like
Speaker 1: a therapy fist bump in the waiting room, and it
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite things of all times.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like divorce wreckage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's a bump it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, fun, I've met the only man. One of
Speaker 3: my memories of you came in because then our point
Speaker 3: was at the same time, and so you would come
Speaker 3: in and we're both sitting there and there was a
Speaker 3: couple's therapists and there was a couple in there they're
Speaker 3: waiting to go in and they were having way too
Speaker 3: much fun. Yeah, we're just getting along great and laughing.
Speaker 3: And then they went and I was like, those two
Speaker 3: fuckers were just laughing, like why are they going? And
Speaker 3: what are you there? To Tamas? Like it was so there,
Speaker 3: like therapy waiting room is such a specific hellscape. It's
Speaker 3: so weird. It's just we're all just like, hey, sad.
Speaker 1: You don't want to see people you know coming or
Speaker 1: going in therapy. You just don't. And you and I
Speaker 1: didn't have any kind of like it wasn't even like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've been at parties with them, Oh, that guy's cool,
Speaker 1: nothing at all.
Speaker 3: I just had that aning of our relationship.
Speaker 1: It was and I think that that fist bump really
Speaker 1: kind of solidified of like, Okay, I don't this guy's
Speaker 1: I trust this guy. This isn't this because it was
Speaker 1: so embarrassing. Like you people talk about going to therapy,
Speaker 1: but you're like, yeah, but you don't also go oh
Speaker 1: and I really cry hard in therapy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you see someone talk repeatedly, it's like,
Speaker 3: oh you cry every time. Wow, Wow, you're really okay.
Speaker 3: So it's just you're still you're still digging into it.
Speaker 3: You're not so much. There's other sides not quite that
Speaker 3: simple yet, that was still doing. Everyone's just leaving puffy
Speaker 3: and you're like, wow, you we just we're just paying
Speaker 3: for this bullshit. I'm full zoom now, which feels easier.
Speaker 2: See now, it's perfect. I hope we have a better
Speaker 2: help add this episode. And that's a perfect time to
Speaker 2: slip it in.
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Speaker 1: We're real.
Speaker 2: It's not a catchy slogan, but Kevin, you are that
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