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Speaker 2: Tell us all about it.

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Speaker 1: We scared her?

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Speaker 1: Melcorn? Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 2: Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 2: Ride with Karen and Chris welcome to Do you need

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Speaker 2: a ride? This is Chris Fairbanks.

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Speaker 1: And this is Karen Kilgariff.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Karen, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Hi Chris, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, good good, gray, good, good good. I've been

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Speaker 2: About my cat that had AIDS and lived with AIDS

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Speaker 2: It was a cat dictated set. I did mostly cat

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Speaker 1: But the brag of having sway over animals more than

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Speaker 2: They saw it happen and they were people were gasping.

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Speaker 1: Look, I like it because it involves all the things

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even though that story was a snooze fest, I

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is zoom. I'm getting kind of an oreganoy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like old country ship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, he's leather and cedar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but candles, like the only people that like use

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Speaker 2: So you're describing people from uh, Salem Salem, Oregon are

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Speaker 2: Salem Massachusetts is the only you shouldn't be allowed to

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Speaker 3: On the state line, right, it is like four corners

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Speaker 1: You can't handle fur corners. Kansas City is your spot.

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Speaker 2: Kids.

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Speaker 3: That was that was eighties Matrix Kids love geography.

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Speaker 2: Today's guest Karen before we introduce him, that it's someone

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Speaker 2: have so many things interests in common that everyone has

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Speaker 2: said you should be friends with Christie.

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Speaker 3: People get mad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll probably talk about a lot of those

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Speaker 1: Of I'm missed it back like a girl and sip

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Speaker 1: my lemonade. Oh, he plays clubs and colleges all over

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Speaker 2: Kevin Christie, everyone, Hi, how are you no?

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Speaker 3: Alaska? Cop to the fact that she didn't even make

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Speaker 1: Oh, I felt terrible for so long because we really

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Speaker 1: I thought I stole it from my friends, who basically

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Speaker 3: I am glad to be back. I'm the last one

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Speaker 3: It was so sad that he hated that bike. You're like,

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Speaker 3: a sudden, like that we found out there was new muppets,

443
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 3: like other muppets, like Multiverse muppets worked on Wall Street

444
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 3: for some reason. Yeah, and no one had brought them

445
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: into the other Muppet universe.

446
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: Well, like the Arty Muppets on Sesame Street, right, everyone

447
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: else had to have a normal job. These guys were

448
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: like the actors, Yeah, the Jugglers.

449
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 3: East Village Muppets and Wall Street Muppets and that.

450
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 2: And the hardest thing to wrap your mind around is

451
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,239
Speaker 2: that would mean and of course there has to be

452
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: multiple frank Oz's voices and voicing them, you know, one hundred.

453
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: Percent, that's right business frank Oz, no.

454
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 2: Man behind a countertop with their hand in the air,

455
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: film covered with felt get away perv, waiting.

456
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 3: For him to do a weird voice but all all business.

457
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 3: Frank Oz's voices are just him. It's not he doesn't

458
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 3: change it at all, goes yeah, I'm a frog.

459
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 2: Now.

460
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: I have a story that's connected to the story Kevin

461
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: told when we weren't recording. But I really want to

462
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: tell it anyway, And I may have already told it

463
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,719
Speaker 1: on this podcast because we were talking audience people who

464
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 1: weren't here. We were talking about when things are overtly sexual,

465
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: but you can't acknowledge it because there's old people or

466
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: your parents or your relatives in the room.

467
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: So who will all maybe say that's what she said?

468
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: And we hope that they don't anymore, but.

469
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: They might offend it. Yeah right, I can go one

470
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: of two ways.

471
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: Both back, yeah, yeah, both bad ways.

472
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 1: So I wasn't for this. My sister can't even tell

473
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: the story without crying, laughing. They were all, uh, my

474
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: aunt Jean, my dad, my mom, my sister, and my

475
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: cousin Cheryl were eating dinner at my aunt Jean's house

476
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: and they were talking about my cousin or you know,

477
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: not related cousin Janie because she went out with a

478
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: guy that was in my high school class. And that

479
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: guy's name was Robert Hunt, but of course freshman year,

480
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: he immediately got the nickname Mike. And because I went

481
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: to a highly abusive, tiny Catholic high school where everyone

482
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: was bullied actively on a daily.

483
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: Busis I still don't get it. I'm gonna need you

484
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: to say it out loud.

485
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: His name was Mike Hunt. Oh no, I like it,

486
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: not really, but that's they just called him Mike, right.

487
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: Of course I made you say that.

488
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, it's okay. That's I mean. If I started

489
00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 1: the story. So my aunt Jean says, Janice did, My says,

490
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: did Jennie break up with that boy she was dating

491
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: that was in Karen's class? My aunt Jane says, yeah,

492
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: I think they broke up a while ago. What was

493
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: his name? And they go and my sister, without thinking,

494
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: goes Mike, and my aunt Jene goes, I know his

495
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: last name was Hunt, and then she goes, my god,

496
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound right. And my cousin Cheryl sucks in

497
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: a piece of lettuce and starts choking on the salad

498
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: she's eating. My sister immediately realizes what she did and

499
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: is horrified but like trying not to laugh. And my

500
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: mom and my aunt she and go back and forth

501
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: several times, like my sister said, close to ten, trying

502
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: out the name and going does that sound right? Doesn't?

503
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: And finally my dad slammed his fist on the table

504
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: and goes, that's enough. My mom's like, Jim, what's wrong whatever,

505
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: And he knew what was going on, And of course

506
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: my sister and my cousin Cheryl knew what was going on,

507
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: but my mom and my aunt Jean were just wistfully

508
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: ignorant and saying it over and over again.

509
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 3: I want your dad to have been like I was

510
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: in the service with the guy with that kind of mouth.

511
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got three men killed.

512
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: I got in a laughing fit the other day at home.

513
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: I wasn't. I had taken some metabals, okay, guys, I'm

514
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: forty five.

515
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 2: It's okay, of course, for medicinal purposes.

516
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I started for some reason, me and my

517
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: girlfriend came like what if my name was Brick and

518
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: just having to say Brick Christie, like having like the

519
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: K sound and the C sound are too close together.

520
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 3: So they become one and I almost barfed, like because

521
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: it was just me and my house yelling brick Christie

522
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: like that, Yeah, because you don't want you couldn't say it,

523
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 3: can't say it soft, You'd have to say hard. And

524
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: it's it's like you don't have to shake someone's hand

525
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 3: hard when you say that name. It's like an implied,

526
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: overly squeezed hard handshake. I can see how fast their

527
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: hands moving. It's a bummer hard.

528
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: He's a real he's a real hard.

529
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: He's like what was that Will Ferrell sketch where they'd

530
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 3: beat a bar talking about like making up fake stories about.

531
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and the name of the guy was the

532
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: Dancers No Club.

533
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: He scissor Kickedberry Bill Brasky, Bill Brasky, He scissor kicked

534
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 3: Angela Lansbury made me almost pass out when I was

535
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 3: when I heard that. But they gave him all giant

536
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: red alcoholic noses.

537
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: Guy. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, they all have fake teeth.

538
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: Oh YouTube, it was like mad Men after Dark. It

539
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: was like what the real the reality of mad Men

540
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: looks like.

541
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: As opposed to what mad Men look yeah yeah yeah,

542
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: not as soft lensed, not as sexy. Yeah yeah, that yeah,

543
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: Bill Brasky, I forgot about that. Yeah. But Kevin, you

544
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: and I we okay, we both end up we both

545
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: you your actor, you're you've are very accomplished actor. You're

546
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: a very good actor.

547
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 3: You've been lucky to have acted a lot.

548
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been in Masters of Sex. Is that the

549
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: name of the show? You said that you? Yeah, that

550
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: is that is what she said. Yeah, and uh you

551
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: and but you also are interested in skateboarding.

552
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: You're also I was raised the skateboarder.

553
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: Very good artist you are. I feel like, would you

554
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: argue that right now you are predominantly a fine artist

555
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: that does gallery shows for your pay.

556
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 3: For the last year I have been allowed to have

557
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: a fine art career. Yeah, now, which was is crazy

558
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: and was very unexpected, is it though?

559
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: Because you were I remember because I saw your work

560
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: go from you did a lot of line like contour line,

561
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: very sure uh graphic across actually black line artwork. I

562
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: thought that was great, And then I remember you doing

563
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: a lot of like textures like uh, you know, just

564
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: studies in texture like eighties looking almost airbrush, but you're

565
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 2: doing it by hand and maybe with stencils. And now

566
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 2: you're doing this, who's that painter Hopper. Do you like Hopper,

567
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: the Edward Hopper? Yeah, except you're mostly doing people. But

568
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it really you're really a good painter.

569
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: Thank you. H Yeah. I started right as a little

570
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: before COVID started. I decided to reteach myself how to

571
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: oil paints. I hadn't done it since art.

572
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: School, nor if I. Yeah, and were you intimidated by it?

573
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: No? I just wanted to paint bigger and I was

574
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: painting in guash and gwash is really expensive. You can't

575
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: make a giant painting and guash I still don't know.

576
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: What it is. It's always an ingredient on a painting.

577
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: When you're in a gallery, it says gash. Still don't

578
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: know what it is?

579
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: Is it like it's opaque water color. It's what graphic

580
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: designers used in like the twenties. But you can make

581
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: it really flat.

582
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: Is it in stick form?

583
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: No, it's in tube form. But the tubes are tiny

584
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: and shockingly expensive.

585
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: Oh I've seen those, Okay, Yeah, I just they saw

586
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: the price and I didn't want to know what gash was.

587
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: They made us use them in art school when you

588
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: took design one and it was so expensive. There was

589
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: an art school or an art store in Glendo called

590
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: Swains that would have the Art Center sale for Art

591
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: Center students, and guash was fifty percent off and the

592
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: line was like around the block right right, because the

593
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: tube was twelve dollars in your art school, so you're

594
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: very poor. Yeah, but yeah, it's very bright colors and

595
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: it dries very flat, and that's why designers use it

596
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: for like type before there was computers. Yeah. I don't

597
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: know why I picked to learn it and get into it.

598
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: I just liked it, I guess. But uh, then I

599
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: wanted to make bigger paintings, and so I started painting

600
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: and oil again on little on canvases, and I just

601
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: a galerus that followed me asked me to be in

602
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: a group show, and then she asked me to send

603
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: some work for take to a gallery, to a fair,

604
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: and then asked me to have a solo show. And

605
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: now I get to make a little living making pain.

606
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: That is terrific. And you know you're doing well when

607
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: you're doing the county fair circuit. Now that's a little jab.

608
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: That's a little jab and that when you say art fair,

609
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: people are like, yeah, there's one at a park near

610
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: my house. Yeah, not the same thing. There's understand there's

611
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: a lot.

612
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: Of different fares, lady.

613
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: It's nice to meet you on your I've seen the

614
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: art fair. They hang the art on the fence around

615
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: the corner right there.

616
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: There's a peg board. Yes, yeah, there's there's there's cotton candy,

617
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: and there's those lemon slushies that you can get at

618
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: the Rose Bowl personally, and then there's.

619
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: My art guys, and then there's a lot of watercolors

620
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: of parrots, and then there's Kevin's and.

621
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: Smash Mouth is going to play.

622
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a great day for this. FAM's going

623
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: to be a.

624
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: Great ever Clear and Smash. We don't know who opens,

625
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: we don't know why. It doesn't matter, doesn't matter, it

626
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Yeah, so it's I mean,

627
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: I can't I can't be cynical about it. It's awesome.

628
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: I just get to paint and people buy them.

629
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: It's very done. You've done graphics for like Toy Machine

630
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: what like You and I both. I feel like you

631
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: and I are the only stand ups. I said this

632
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: before we start recording, but you and I are the

633
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: only stand ups that have done this a long time

634
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: that I think have also done artwork specifically for skateboards. Yeah,

635
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: I would be a safe assumption.

636
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah probably. I've done a few series for Toy Machine,

637
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: which is owned by artists and skateboarder Ed Templeton, and

638
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: I lied to him and tricked him into letting me

639
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: do skate graphics and it worked, and it was I

640
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: like an idiot. I had them pay me in decks

641
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: instead of money, because you're a stupid adult child. And

642
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: so instead of money, I got eighty skateboards. Yeah, well

643
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: of my design, and I would keep them in the

644
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: trunk of my car and just throw them at what

645
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: I see see to be under privileged skaters, Just hurl

646
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: them and children. You know what, here's a new deck.

647
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: A long time A guy did a Bob Burnquist graphic

648
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: for the firm, and I wounded that I had gotten

649
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: No one has those boards. That money was gone immediately

650
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: to pay my half of the rent that month.

651
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I like, how many boards could I get?

652
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: And I remember the guy was like, no one's ever

653
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: asked that I was welcome to stupid down. I had to.

654
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: There were so many I could. They couldn't ship them

655
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: to me because it costs one thousand dollars. So I

656
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: had to drive to San Diego and fill a Volvo

657
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: that It's like it would have been the dumbest looking

658
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: car wreck of all time, just debts all over the freeway.

659
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: And I just gave him to anybody who needed him.

660
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: Like a lot of door guys at the comedy store

661
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: got toy machine decks. I was like a spot. Yeah,

662
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: I laced up everybody. Now I'm out, Like now I

663
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: only have just I have just one set left that

664
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: for me. But I gave them well after a while,

665
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: I really like the last one I gave you like

666
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: a kid at a bus stop and I was like,

667
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: how is he going to explain this to his parents?

668
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: Like how like, hey, an old white guy with this

669
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: deck at a bus stop. Yeah he was on the

670
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: sounds bad. Yeah, So for a while after that, I

671
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: was like I would just tell my friends, Hey, if

672
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 3: you know anyone who needs a deck, let me know,

673
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: because giving them to people was just weird. It was

674
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: a weird thing to do. But yeah, I always like

675
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: get paid in decks like a stupid Yeah, yeah it is.

676
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: But I will say, like when I picked up those

677
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: decks a toy machine, I got in my car and cried, yeah,

678
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: it is you.

679
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: It was.

680
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: I mean that's how I learned to draw, is copying

681
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: skke grab and you are.

682
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: You are imagining fourteen, fifteen year old Kevin looking at

683
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: you accomplishing this, and it's more important than anything you could.

684
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: Comedy or it was an unruinable day. I was like,

685
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: you can't talk to me right now.

686
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it. For me, I'm always

687
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: thinking that, I'm like, how do I would little kid

688
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: me look at this and think, oh man, I'm so

689
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: cool in my forties. Yeah, like that is that is

690
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: a driving force with me.

691
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: I lived near a high school. Gross and but there

692
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: was a I saw a kid wearing a piece of

693
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 3: band merch that I drew like twenty I mean almost

694
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, and I was like, this is so great.

695
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: Like I was like, kick you and I took a picture.

696
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was just like Kevin, I to ask

697
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: you to stop interacting with teens.

698
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah wait, it's how am I going to do this

699
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: in a way that's not insane?

700
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: The photo from over five hundred feet away?

701
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, zoom lens.

702
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: I said, I lived near a high school. I got

703
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: a picture of a kid wearing a Kings of Leon shirt.

704
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: Then I technically drew and.

705
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: Then you pop open the trunk and say, who wants

706
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: to buy a jump rope? Yeah? You know, yeah, that's

707
00:34:59,239 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: just Joe.

708
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: That stuff. That stuff is I'm not I can't be

709
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: cynical about an that stuff. When I see that stuff,

710
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: it gets me pretty excited. Yeah, because normally, just even now,

711
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: when I sell a painting, it just goes to somebody's condo.

712
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I'd never see him again. It's

713
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: just some rich person now has this in condo and

714
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: I'll never see it ever again.

715
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: You are so then, you are right now in your

716
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: life predominantly making your living as a fine artist.

717
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: I would say it's like fifty to fifty. Yeah, fifty

718
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: to fifty like stand up fifty let's just say showbiz

719
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 3: with so many disease and fifty percent just making paintings. Yeah,

720
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: I mean that is all basically because of the gallery

721
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: that I am now involved with. It's all No, it's

722
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: all them. It's like a it's like you know, doing

723
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: stand up versus like having a successful Netflix special or

724
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: something like. As soon as they got involved, it turned

725
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: into a real thing.

726
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: That's so cool.

727
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: It's I mean, dude, I you know, It's what I

728
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: always kind of hoped what happened someday because my closet

729
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: was getting very just of stacks of just paintings that

730
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: would go away.

731
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: From skeletons and secrets.

732
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, people like, hey, I like your arm, but just

733
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 3: come to my house. You'll leave with so much because

734
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: there's just so much.

735
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: But you did there. You maybe did the same thing

736
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: with me where I used to be on the road,

737
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: and while I was on the road, I would take

738
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 2: with me. I used to do illustrations for this aptitude

739
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: test and Texas like word problems would have illustrations. So

740
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: I'd be on the road doing stand up and then

741
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: in my hotel would have to draw you know, kids

742
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: doing projects. I never knew what the questions were. They

743
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: would never let me know the questions because it's part

744
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: of an aptitude test. But I was always like, this

745
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: is kind of cool that I'm doing.

746
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: You used to have to do those like random business

747
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: y spot illustrations for like I remember having a job

748
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 3: for like a British business magazine. It was like this

749
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: one's about team buildings, so it's there like me drawing

750
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: business people like holding hands or like doing a handstand carad.

751
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

752
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like you had you get the weirdest jobs,

753
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: like I'm the cut like they used I did had

754
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: to do an illustration of Flannery O'Connor. So that's just

755
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: a Flannery O'Connor textbook in Spain. And you're like, this

756
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: is sort of dumb, but also all right, I'll take it.

757
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: Can I see what my favorite commercial illustration is, which

758
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: is the one that's in the front of the dry cleaners,

759
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: And it's an illustration of a lady who I think

760
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: you're supposed to believe is the tailor that works inside

761
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: the dry cleaners. But she it's usually like a very

762
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: kind of fifties looking blonde lady and she's got like

763
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: glasses and then like a pencil behind her ear and

764
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: like she's sewing something.

765
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 3: And there's a there's a guy for yes, you see

766
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: it all the time, and he has those like barbershop

767
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: quartet things on his sleeves.

768
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: Yep.

769
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: It clearly you can order, like you can go and

770
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: order window stickers or window art for your business in

771
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: this way. But it's kind of this universal much like

772
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: the guy on the pizza box it's just like an

773
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: Italian guy with the big mustache holding a pizza or whatever.

774
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: There's like a dry cleaner version, but there's one where

775
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: I've I've taken the picture because I'm like, what, she's

776
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: so sassy's it's like she's winking at you and it's

777
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: like she's a tailor. But it's like just get in here.

778
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: There's this really good documentary about J. C. Lion Decker.

779
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: Do you know what J. C. Lion Decker is?

780
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: Now? Okay? J C.

781
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 3: Lion Decker quickly maybe the greatest illustrator of all time.

782
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: Norman Rockwell's hero. He invented New Year's Baby. Oh yeah,

783
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: shirt collar man, but he was also a closet of

784
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: homosexual because it was like the nineteen tens and twenties,

785
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: and there's a great documentary about how now, like looking

786
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: at his illustrations, there's so much codd like gay language

787
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: in him that like I didn't even really register until

788
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 3: you watch the documentary now, and it's always like a

789
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: man and a woman, but there's another guy there, and

790
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: the two guys are looking at each other like we

791
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: have a secret, and they definitely that's it's so good

792
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: and like the aerow shirt. Collar Man was based on

793
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: his like long term partner, and he was his longer

794
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 3: partner was so handsome. He used to get fan mail

795
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: like a fictitious drawings of him. Yeah, like J. C.

796
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: Lion Decker draws better than I don't. I don't even know,

797
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: Like he was rot Normally he did like two hundred

798
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: and thirty three New York post covers and Rockwell did

799
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: two thirty two and stopped. Oh he didn't want to

800
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: do more than him. Wow, he was like, you don't

801
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: want this guy. Respect, gotta respect. He was a fucking juggernaut.

802
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 3: Like the way he draws is so bananas. It's I

803
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: can't have actually even like there's a lot of drawing

804
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: where I'm like I could figure that out. I would

805
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: look at him. I'm like, I don't know what you're

806
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: doing here, bro.

807
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: This was almost like a little bit art decoee and

808
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: kind of like flouris a lot of flourishes.

809
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the guy who did the Star Wars posters

810
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: in like Indiana Jones early on was emulating him. That's

811
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 3: super crisp and like everything's just perfect and slick. He's

812
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to look up illustration get

813
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 3: into J. C. Liondecker because that dude.

814
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a ripper. Yeah, especially the inspired Rockwell.

815
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: And that's that's so cool. There's only any painting of Rockwell.

816
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: I just imagine a cop leaning over talking to a kid.

817
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: That's all. I on a commemorative plate. Yeah, that I

818
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 2: try to not break at my grandma's.

819
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: My grandparents only knew that art is Norman Rockwell. So

820
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 3: every Christmas, Kevin got a Norman Rockwell book.

821
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, this start.

822
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: But I do have a I will say I have

823
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: a sweet ass plate that's you know, the one where

824
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: he's drawing himself in the at.

825
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: The end, Yeah, yeah, looking at her.

826
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: And I have a commemorai plate of that badass. Yeah

827
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: that's grandma's house. Yeah.

828
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

829
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: I also have a print my mom. I got a

830
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 3: normal I guess Sears did like a Norman Rockwell print

831
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 3: series in the seventies. And I have like the Four

832
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: Freedoms that they did the Four Freedoms, and I have

833
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: freedom to worship, which was an odd choice for my

834
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: mom to put in a house with my dad, who

835
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: didn't go to church, but I think she was trying

836
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: to like push him in that just a suggestion. Yeah, here, buddy,

837
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 3: this is a nice painting. Get into the word.

838
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: Have you heard the good word?

839
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: Have you heard the good news?

840
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: We're free to hear about it.

841
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I went to that. They had a Norman

842
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: Rockwell exhibit at the Ronald Reagan Museum, which was good

843
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: but tough to enjoy considering where you were.

844
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's too much at once. It was a lot.

845
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: It was.

846
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: It was the most whiteness you could absorb, truly white

847
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: in one place. Yeah, I will say those old illustrations

848
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: zone now go for a fortune, like they finally are

849
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: kind of they cost what they should. Like. No, if

850
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: you want to buy a Norman rock O painting, you're

851
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: spending a million bucks.

852
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: Sure.

853
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: Even in Lion Decker Well, Lion Decker famously like got

854
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: rid of all his art, like destroyed it all, but

855
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 3: some was saved, Like he said his will like destroyed it.

856
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: He wanted it all destroyed for some reason.

857
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: When he burned it.

858
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: I think like his partner was instructed to like burn it.

859
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: But then they found like a huge stash of it

860
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: in the basement or the attic of like their New

861
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: York mansion. He forgot he was like rich there was

862
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: a point where illustrators back then were like stars. So

863
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: he was like super super super loaded. Yeah, but like

864
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: live in a huge like New York state, upstate type.

865
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: Of making your you know, basically common law husband burn

866
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: your art. That's such a bitch move, Like it's basically

867
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: like peace and you get nothing, like well bind that stuff.

868
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,479
Speaker 3: Back then, that stuff was worthless. Like there's a guy, okay,

869
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: there's a there's an art store in the valley on

870
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: Laurel Canyon. I can't I can't remember what it's called.

871
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: But for a long time they used to have paintings

872
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 3: all over the wall, like up high of this guy

873
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: Andrew Loomis. Andrew Loomis. If you've ever got one of

874
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: those how to Paint a Horse booklet? Sure, Oh yeah,

875
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: that's Andrew Loomis, like how to paint it?

876
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: Like I got him right here.

877
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess he went in there one day

878
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: and was like, hey, can I give you all these

879
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: paintings and I can just get free art supplies. So

880
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: there was like twenty of the like the nicest, like

881
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: perfect nineteen fifties illustrations on the wall and you couldn't

882
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: buy them. They were like no they're not for sale,

883
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: and you couldn't. You're like, can I get closed there? No? No, no,

884
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: And now they're not there more so I think someone

885
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: was like, would you get these out of here? Yeah?

886
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: These kids get robbed?

887
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah in an art store on Laurel Canyon. Your valsurf

888
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: Like this isn't enough, Like these are worth fortune. One

889
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: time I had to transport my friend was the art

890
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: director for a Foo Fighter's cover that Raymond Pettybone did,

891
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: the guy who did the black flag logo. And I

892
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: went to pick him up and he had a stack

893
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: of like Raymond Pettybone drawings of like the stuff, and

894
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: he just put it in the back of my Hanta

895
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 3: Civic hatchback. He's like, let's go to lunch. I'm like,

896
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: that's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of Pettybone scraps.

897
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 3: I'm not leaving them there, and we please go to

898
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: your hotel. Please. No, they weren't mine, he was. He

899
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: had to scan them all, so he had to go

900
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 3: to my house and they just got left in a trunk.

901
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: I mean, who even I'm sure there's scraps somewhere that

902
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: are I don't know. I don't know I took. I

903
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: don't like. Part of me is like who cares? So

904
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: like talking about there. I will say. The weird thing

905
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: about being in the art world now is it's the

906
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: talk of money is like overwhelming. Yeah, because it's all

907
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: just and flipping and all this weird stuff. So many

908
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: people that the art markets exploded. It's weird.

909
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god. There's so many good documentaries about like

910
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: art scams and did you you know that one scammer

911
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: that basically got that per I'm not going to be

912
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: able to retell it accurately, but it's like the highest

913
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: level art scam where they were like, oh, look we

914
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 1: have and it's like, you know, I won't I don't

915
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: even know.

916
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: Oh, there's tons of like the fake Jackson Pollock thing

917
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: was a big one, So many fake boscots because I

918
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 3: just to throw them away and then people would pretend

919
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 3: to find them in like the trash. Yeah, so there's

920
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: a bit, just lots. It's tough with with Boscio that

921
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,959
Speaker 3: Andy Wereol Diaries documentary is really good, does it? Yeah,

922
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: it's really good.

923
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: I started it. I did. I thought it would be

924
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: more footage of parties with New Order playing in the background.

925
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: So I did it really, Like, here's the cathedral. I'm like, oh,

926
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna start with it. It's just going back too far.

927
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: I'll revisit it. But yeah, it's good.

928
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: It's very good.

929
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: I mean he yeah, but didn't he get shot in

930
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: the stomach.

931
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: Some crazy galerie story.

932
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: That was her? You know her name?

933
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, she shot this. I had at but she had

934
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: a what's the word I'm looking for when you write

935
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: up your proposal fanger manifesto. She had a whole manifesto.

936
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of it. There's a real good movie

937
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: with Lily Taylor about her that Tyler.

938
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 2: Is so good.

939
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: She's so good, and she's Taylor is so good. Yeah,

940
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: she sh she guys, she's a good one.

941
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: She actually was in a stand up audience. I didn't

942
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: have to do a set, thank god. It was like

943
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: this was mid this was this was late nineties, early

944
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: two thousands, and it was some shitty fucking room that

945
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: was also a bookstore in Santa Monica. It was like

946
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: bad news. And I was with I think I was

947
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: with Jeanine. I was with some friend that was on

948
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: the show, and I was standing in the back and

949
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: Lily Taylor was right in the middle, and she was

950
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: not enjoying anyone's comedy and it was fucking hilarious. I

951
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: was just like staring at her, like, you know, you're

952
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: all anyone cares about in this room, and you look

953
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: like you're being tortured, like it was so awful.

954
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: Stand up isn't okay? This is I think for I

955
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: think I can say this to comedy is a mental illness, yes,

956
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: you know, And I just think comedy isn't for most everyone,

957
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: Like I think it at this point should be like

958
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: professional wrestling, where we just exist in our little space

959
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 3: with where the parameters are understood, and like, don't try

960
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: to make us culture. We're not. No, we're not even

961
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: trying to be culture. We're literally over here transcribing our butts,

962
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: So like, why can't you just it's like why it's

963
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: literally they're just like, hey, should that clown write a novel?

964
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: No?

965
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: I shouldn't like stop writing books, should not like these

966
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 3: are the least well read people I've ever known. I'm

967
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 3: including myself, and we're writing books.

968
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: Everyone's writing books, everybody want no one's reading them, but

969
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: we're all.

970
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: Like here's like like you should have to you s

971
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: just have to do so many book reports to a

972
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 3: publisher before they let you write a book, like stop

973
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: stop making us in the philosophers. We're just not no,

974
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: and the three of us are some of the smartest

975
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 3: comedians on the planet on available Like if we are

976
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 3: not done, I narry a chair humping between us, and

977
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: I'm saying and I shall do it. Don't hand don't

978
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: leave me your keys, you know what I mean, Like,

979
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: don't don't leave us, let us, let us go back

980
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 3: to the trash. But you belong in the trash.

981
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that is couldn't be more true. I

982
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: think comedians are the ones that somehow suddenly decide that

983
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: they are philosophers and that they are right. I mean

984
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: I when I am self serious, it's the it's the

985
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: worst and the least funny, and it's so easy because

986
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: to me, being funny is like almost this nauseating side effect.

987
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: It's this personality I built when I was like eight,

988
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: and it's just never gone away. But I and I

989
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: don't appreciate it. But like fucking holding forth on something

990
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: and really telling people how it is is my favorite.

991
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm addicted to that, and I believe myself when I'm.

992
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 3: Saying best when I see people do that. Oh, so

993
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: you want to be in trouble. So you're looking you

994
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 3: want to be in future trouble. That's what you want.

995
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: You want the future. You're you're trying to grow. What

996
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: you're doing is you're watering a seedling of future disdain.

997
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 3: Is what you're doing when you're like, well the thing

998
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: about you know, Israel and Palestine, You're like, oh, here

999
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 3: we go, this should be awesome. Yeah, there's it's even

1000
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: to me, the Achilles heel of any comedian is wanting

1001
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 3: to be taken seriously. Yeah, and like because also because

1002
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: of my other job of being a fine artist, I

1003
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: have to be real careful because if you start talking

1004
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: about that stuff, it's like just remember like to not

1005
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: sound like an absolute hand job, like do your best

1006
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: here because you start if you've like read an article

1007
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: and art forum, hey, you'll need to sit there with

1008
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: a dictionary. And it is the most it is the

1009
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: most circular. I don't know who's I don't know who's for,

1010
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: Like I know it's sort of free people they're not

1011
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 3: reading it. There's no it's too dense. It is the dense,

1012
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: like every third sentence is a reference to something else

1013
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 3: that you then have to go find because you're talking

1014
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: about people writing it who are two hunder grand deep

1015
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: in critical theory, debt from some of the best. And

1016
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: these are people that are kind of smart, where like

1017
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: we shouldn't hang you know what I mean, like I'm

1018
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: not hanging with you, you're too smart. And but yeah,

1019
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: I have to be real careful because that's some you know,

1020
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: a large portion of my social media followers are from

1021
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 3: like sk like toy machine fans, So I get the

1022
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 3: occasional question or comment about my art that is not

1023
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 3: necessarily based in I would say art history, critical theory,

1024
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 3: philosophy is just like that looked like and you're like, sure, yeah, sure,

1025
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: yes that part could be construed as looking like a dick.

1026
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: And I'm glad you saw that.

1027
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: You have to change your buyer to all are welcome here.

1028
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: Net.

1029
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a nice I'm glad there are you know,

1030
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 3: aren't There aren't many moments where you're really glad you're

1031
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: a comedian, but one of them, I'm glad I'm a

1032
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: comedian to just kind of cut the pretension of also

1033
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: being a working artist down.

1034
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: That was my least favorite part of being in art

1035
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 2: school and you you have to sit and as students

1036
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: critique other people's work, and there was always someone and

1037
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: they would be the least talented artists, but they were

1038
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: so good at bullshitting about art and it drove me nuts.

1039
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: Like the people that wanted to talk about it and

1040
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: talk about theory it. I hated it. Oh.

1041
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: I was in a class once and this student had

1042
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: planned to do something involving like running a cop car,

1043
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 3: but they couldn't get it together, so instead they just

1044
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 3: wrote on the wall can we leave early? In German?

1045
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 3: Which was hilarious. I was like yeah, But then we

1046
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: proceeded to have to talk about it for twenty minutes

1047
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,479
Speaker 3: and I was one. I was like, guys, guys, guys.

1048
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: They admitted this was a joke. What are we doing here?

1049
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: They're just in a German class? Like, there's nothing more

1050
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: to it?

1051
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 3: Can we? I mean, the amount of people I saw

1052
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: had to watch burning love letters was a lot like

1053
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: I've had. I had to sit through the critique of

1054
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: a pile of actual garbage I don't know seven different times,

1055
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: like seven separate times. Someone brought in garbage put it

1056
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: on the ground and we had to discuss detritus, and

1057
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: we had to discuss it was just like, homie, yeah,

1058
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: just you can just paint an apple like it's fine.

1059
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I was always doing. I'm like,

1060
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I had some fruit or I had

1061
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: a photo of boats and I painted it and I

1062
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: like the way it looks. And then the kid who

1063
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: cut off one of his dreadlocks and also smeared some

1064
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: poop on the canvas would get an a because he

1065
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: talked about it for thirty minutes, and it drove me

1066
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: nuts that I love that that that you don't have

1067
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 2: to deal with that as much in the comedy world,

1068
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: Like you don't have to talk about a.

1069
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: On the way here, I saw a woman with a

1070
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: white woman with dreadlocks, and I just I just wondered

1071
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: to myself, who are you emulating?

1072
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: Now?

1073
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: Like where's that coming from? I feel like most fashion

1074
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: is like a, hey, you're cool, I'm gonna do that.

1075
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: So who's the Patreon's patron saint of white people dreadlocks?

1076
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 2: The people in lab coats from the matrix? I mean

1077
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 2: that's we know they are the most particular, each one

1078
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: a perfect circumference.

1079
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: Maybe it's from like a yoga cattle yoga clothing catalog,

1080
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: and then there's one lady in there that's making it work.

1081
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: They can't all be from Denver, you know what I mean.

1082
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 3: It can't only be Denver doing this, and it can't

1083
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: only be New Mexico. We can't pin it on just

1084
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: those places.

1085
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's I feel fab la the only I.

1086
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 3: Feel like there's one Every bad thing gets an exception.

1087
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 3: And Keith Morris from Black Flag is allowed to keep

1088
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 3: his tread box. I see him all the time. He

1089
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 3: lives in Felis. Yeah, he lives in those Felis. I'm walking. Look,

1090
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 3: I don't care like they they're is and that they

1091
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: have a bald spot. Always not sure. I'm worried. I'm

1092
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 3: worried that we do have some traction alopecia where the

1093
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: way he's pulling back, you know, like a ballet answer experiences.

1094
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: But he's he's him, and so he gets to he

1095
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: gets that like he's too cool of a dude.

1096
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: He's earned it.

1097
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1098
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 3: Originally singer Black Flag Circle Jerks come on and wrote

1099
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 3: a decent book. I read his book. It was very

1100
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 3: just like this is what happened. We're all fucked up.

1101
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 3: That's what I want. I want just like we were

1102
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: fucked up and.

1103
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: You're like yeah, And then he pulls out one dreadlock

1104
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: and he's like, that happened right about here, like the

1105
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: rings of a tree. But he pulls the hair apart

1106
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: a little bit, like a lighter falls out Canyon Club.

1107
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: Right here.

1108
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: I can still smell it.

1109
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: Is a pine cone.

1110
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1111
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I think of Black Flag, I just think

1112
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 2: of the guy from Henry Rowlands. Yeah.

1113
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: And now, for some reason, Mike Valley is the lead

1114
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: singer of Black Yeah.

1115
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sometimes yeah, I don't know if now, sometimes it's

1116
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: a perfect amount yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, just the occasional

1117
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: occasional like oh he's sick, yeah yeah, yeah, I might

1118
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 2: be all right, all right cool.

1119
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: I love that all of these punk bands became kind

1120
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: of like popular. They were around when I was a

1121
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: young teen, and we knew not to pretend. You weren't

1122
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: allowed to pretend to like punk if you actually didn't

1123
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: no very serious what you were talking about. So it

1124
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: literally scares me to be in this conversation because right

1125
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: there's I know how you feel. I've watched guys talk

1126
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: like you know, circle jerks that did it whatever again,

1127
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: if you try to pretend that's the worst possible thing

1128
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: totally you could have done in nineteen eighty four.

1129
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was basically pretending I didn't care. I

1130
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: didn't know or care about the dead Kennedys or the sexpistles.

1131
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 2: But was I writing it on every single notebook when

1132
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: I was a kid while secretly was just listening to

1133
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: The Cure Yeah, and OMD and all my sisters music. Yeah,

1134
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: but I knew, I knew how to draw the logos,

1135
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: So that buys you, so street.

1136
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: That does help.

1137
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: I was forced to listen to the Cure, and like,

1138
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 3: you know Smiths, my brother as room was next to mine,

1139
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: and I.

1140
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: Don't like the Cure.

1141
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 3: I don't.

1142
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: I never had a choice.

1143
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 3: I wasn't given the chance to have them introduced to

1144
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: me because my brother were at night shift at a supermarket,

1145
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: so at five am, the Smiths were just ripping through

1146
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 3: my house. So like, I know the words to every

1147
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 3: more Seene Smith's song against My Will, same with Tira,

1148
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 3: the same with nine inch Nails, Knits, Reb, the Sugar Cubes.

1149
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: You know all of it, and all of it's good,

1150
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 3: like New Order. But I was never like now, I'm like, hey,

1151
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 3: New Order's pretty good, but at the time, I was like,

1152
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 3: I'm awake to it, like like I was.

1153
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: Like it was your alarm clock.

1154
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, a New Order would just start blaring from

1155
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: my brother's bathroom. He had a giant boom box that

1156
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: he would turn on when he would take a shower,

1157
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: and so it was just every morning, I'm seventeen.

1158
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 2: Bizarre love Triangle. I guess it's time to go to school.

1159
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: Really, like, I shouldn't be this sad.

1160
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: My sister was older than me, so she was always

1161
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: the one driving, and she basically controlled the radio unless

1162
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: I really fought her. So I had the exact same thing,

1163
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: but the inverse, because I wanted to be less to

1164
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,959
Speaker 1: all those bands you just named. But I was listening

1165
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: to Boston, Foreigner, AC DC, fucking all of it and

1166
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: had to and that was just kind of, like, you know,

1167
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: it was just kind of the way of the world.

1168
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: I asked a guy from Boston. I was like, are

1169
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: the Pixies a big like band in Boston where people

1170
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 3: from Boston love him? He's like, Nope, not as much

1171
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 3: as you think, he goes. Most of them are into

1172
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 3: the band Boston. I was like, yeah, wow, that tracks right,

1173
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: that makes sense. Yeah, yep, yeah, have you.

1174
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: Ever there's a you probably haven't seen it because I

1175
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: had to go down a weird dive on YouTube, but

1176
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: there is a long interview with David Bowie talking about

1177
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: how great he thinks the Pixies are and it's really fun.

1178
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 3: I don't know, have you seen have you seen Loud

1179
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: Quiet Loud their documentary? No, it's great and it's fascinating

1180
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 3: because it's like the whole documentary are like, did you

1181
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: guys just meet? Why are they this awkward around each other?

1182
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: It's incredible they didn't get along right, all kinds of

1183
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: it's it's it doesn't feel comple like they didn't get along.

1184
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: I think it's just literally everyone in the band has

1185
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: the exact same personality and they just can't They don't

1186
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: know how to hang out with anybody.

1187
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I feel like the Pixies, they all were

1188
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: dependent on some chemical and it was never the same.

1189
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: One one was a drinker, the other ones on barbituus,

1190
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 2: the other one.

1191
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: In the documentary, the drummer became the drummer became a magician, right,

1192
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 3: oh wow, that's when, you know, But like a professional,

1193
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 3: I think a professional level magician, like he was making

1194
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 3: a living doing kind of like magic stuff. And so

1195
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: one of the shows his parents are coming, so he

1196
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 3: opens the show with his magic. No, and I will

1197
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 3: say it was respectable magic. You were like, oh you

1198
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: have a real magic act. Drummer of the Pixies.

1199
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Matt I when I say oh no,

1200
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: I think of bad magic.

1201
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 3: But well then later in the documentary he's so high

1202
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 3: they have to like stop a show, like, you know,

1203
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: he's just he's like waste and he keeps playing this

1204
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: one part of the song when it should have stopped

1205
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 3: being that part of the song. Yeah, he's just going

1206
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: for it too hard. And you see Frank blacko are

1207
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 3: you high like that?

1208
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: Oh wow? Really?

1209
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? I got Frank Black's autograph on a book that

1210
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 3: was pretty exciting.

1211
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: In Glinda say Frank Black or Black Francis. He said,

1212
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: Frank Black, Well, well that's how you know you got

1213
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: a good one.

1214
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1215
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1216
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: I was at a party once that Kim Deal came

1217
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: to that was really exciting. We all just kind of

1218
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: stood on one side of a pool and stared at

1219
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: her standing on the other side of the hole.

1220
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I saw I saw one

1221
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 3: of I saw the Pixies when Kim Deal was still

1222
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 3: touring with him, and it was like, you guys are

1223
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 3: the coolest band I've ever seen. You're so weird. Like

1224
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: I just listened to them, I'm like, who the hell

1225
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: we're in your head? Were you like the song should

1226
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: sound like this?

1227
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeh?

1228
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 3: In the documentary, the guitar players just going bear like

1229
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 3: and Frank Blacke's that's a classic Pixies guitar solo. You're

1230
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 3: just like, I guess when they when they came back

1231
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: the very they you know, hadn't tourn a long time.

1232
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 3: They did Coachella and Radiohead was playing. They're like, yeah,

1233
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 3: we're Radiohead, but the fucking Pixies are about to be

1234
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 3: on like they're the weirdest band. They're so good. It

1235
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 3: just does I can't. I can't listen to and be like,

1236
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: how did this even happen?

1237
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: Is it all?

1238
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 3: Because it can't be all Frank Black because Kim Deal

1239
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 3: wrote some like great, so obviously reader baders are so

1240
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 3: what's the weird alchemy that is this bizarre sounding band? Like, hey,

1241
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: let's just use these lyrics in Spanish and they're like

1242
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: this one's about me being molested, but there's a Spanish party,

1243
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: like cool. Yeah, it's like they had They just were like,

1244
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 3: we're going to just do this and see what happen.

1245
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: Also, I just am mad that more women don't do

1246
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: what I do and and dress like Kim Deal, just

1247
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of wear a weird shirt and hope for the best.

1248
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: Like that's I every time I see a picture from him,

1249
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: like that's what I'm doing. No one does this with me,

1250
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: No one.

1251
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 3: You're just gonna hang. You're a Kim Deal like you.

1252
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 3: I like, when I look at you, I'm like, that's

1253
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: all right.

1254
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: Girl, Karen, you are a Kim Deal. You're a big

1255
01:00:58,720 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: Kim Deal.

1256
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: Those were my There wasn't. There was a band in

1257
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: the nineties and kind of an l a band called

1258
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 3: Edna Swap Yeah, and you know they famously they wrote

1259
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 3: Torn which then Natalie and Broly. The angriest I think

1260
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 3: I've ever been is when Karok played the Natalie and

1261
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 3: Brouly version. I called in a fervor, like in sense

1262
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 3: I was literally yelling at Tammy Heidi because she was

1263
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 3: like brand new at the place, and so she was

1264
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 3: answering phones and I'm like, what the fuck is this bullshit?

1265
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 3: Like freaking out. She's like, listen, I would love to

1266
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 3: play Edna Swap, but they I cannot do that. I

1267
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 3: worshiped that band. He used to fall. I used to

1268
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 3: see Sorry, sorry sorry, Fiercely Private Animals.

1269
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah good, Hey, that's a good merch callback. Yeah that

1270
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: was a good That was very impressive And I drew that.

1271
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 2: Did you know that?

1272
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 3: Oh that's so that's an exactly right callback you guys

1273
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 3: I've been in since the beginning.

1274
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, family has been supporter.

1275
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 2: There are some people that just pump their fists.

1276
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: I DM so many unused merch ideas, like it is something.

1277
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: I thought long ago.

1278
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 3: I am the seeing of unused merch ideas for my

1279
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 3: friends podcast. I DM what I think are truly brilliant ideas.

1280
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 3: And I'm like, if you and every it's like, if

1281
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 3: you don't do this, you're fucking stupid and you don't

1282
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 3: like money and why like I don't understand that there's

1283
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 3: a business involved, and maybe they can't just like call

1284
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 3: a printer immediately, and I'm just like, I DM uh

1285
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 3: Tom Segura an idea a couple of weeks ago, and

1286
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 3: the fact that it's not in print. I'm just like,

1287
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 3: you're an asshole and I'm mad at you and I

1288
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 3: hate you. Yeah, keep making your bike shirts.

1289
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: I think your merch idea for my favorite murder was

1290
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: amazing though. But I'm not the only one that that

1291
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: was it.

1292
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 3: I was gonna draw Karen and Georgia shot style, like

1293
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 3: police sketch style. Oh yeah, But I realized in retrospect,

1294
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 3: I maybe should have made the drawing of Georgia ladding

1295
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 3: on any level, like I couldn't.

1296
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, everyone here, there weren't.

1297
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 3: Many, like just frontal pictures of her. It was a

1298
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 3: lot of head turn and you need a dead frontal one.

1299
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 3: And the only frontal one I could find to work

1300
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 3: from just it was like a passport level.

1301
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: It's different for girls. It's different for girls.

1302
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah you got that, find the right photo reference.

1303
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 3: You can't make someone look. You can't take to a

1304
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 3: seemingly attractive people and be like what if you weren't?

1305
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 3: They're like, why would I do this?

1306
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 2: Imagine the world a cartoon character.

1307
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: Turn it down a little bit, like, hey, you want

1308
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: some merch where.

1309
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 3: You look sick?

1310
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: What about an oversized cat? And for no reason, you're

1311
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 2: holding a surfboard on a war.

1312
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just all My ideas for people are just

1313
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 3: their worst traits. I'm just like, hey, Burt, you're super fat.

1314
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: You want to like lean into that ship.

1315
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.

1316
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: He didn't, he didn't message me back. It's so crazy

1317
01:03:56,200 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: what happened and I and I'm so I just hurt.

1318
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 1: But Kevin, now you have the fucking the last laugh

1319
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: where you're like, well, then go to my fucking gallery

1320
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: if you want an idea for Yeah, how about you

1321
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: go to my New York City show.

1322
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 3: Let me tell you the turning down I do now

1323
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 3: is just exquish. Yeah. I'm like, no, I can't do

1324
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 3: your T shirt design. I got to deal with this

1325
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: fine art waiting list. You dick.

1326
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 2: With art stuff. It was the coming up with a

1327
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 2: price and scolding yourself by making an hourly thing, because

1328
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: the better you get, the faster you can finish things.

1329
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: It's like, wait, I'm I'm doing myself a disservice doing

1330
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: an hourly thing. I'll just come up with these numbers.

1331
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 2: I don't mind it as much would stand up where

1332
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 2: I'm like how much do you want for a set?

1333
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: And I can kind of do a realistic quote with

1334
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: stand up for some reason that doesn't bother me with that,

1335
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: but with art, my back starts to sweat the minute

1336
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: someone's like, what would you charge for this? And I'm like,

1337
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,479
Speaker 2: I don't know. Until I do it, I'm not sure

1338
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: how long, how much trouble I'm going to have, or

1339
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: if I have some weird full frontal drawing of you

1340
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 2: and I make you look bizarre. Yeah, it's It's the

1341
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 2: hardest thing for me is coming up with a price tag.

1342
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: The very first like solo show I ever had was

1343
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 3: this gallery in San Francisco called Jack Hanley Gallery, and

1344
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 3: he was a super He's a rad mellow, just kind

1345
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 3: of like hippie dude, and he was like, what do

1346
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 3: you want to price them? I was like, well, I

1347
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 3: want so that anyone can buy him. And he was like,

1348
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 3: all right, what's up? And I was like, sure, two

1349
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty bucks. And I see him and there

1350
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 3: was a lot of drawings, but I could see his

1351
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 3: face like all right, We're never doing this again. Just

1352
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 3: you know, He's like he's like, oh, you don't know

1353
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 3: what rent is, Like you have no idea what rent is,

1354
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 3: and like, so now I just don't the beauty of

1355
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 3: dealing with the gallery is that's I don't handle any

1356
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: of it right. They caught like they have a sales director.

1357
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 3: They cost what they cost the last I was in

1358
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 3: a group show with them a couple months ago and

1359
01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 3: I had a buyer for one of them, and I

1360
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 3: was like, did that guy buy it? He goes no,

1361
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 3: he want it for like a crap price, Like what

1362
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 3: do you ask for it or what do you want

1363
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 3: to buy it for? And the price he wanted for

1364
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 3: was what I was going to price it as. And

1365
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 3: they're like, no, it's just so much. I was like,

1366
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 3: is it really? I couldn't. I couldn't believe it. I

1367
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 3: was like, you seriously got that's what it is. It's

1368
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 3: because that's their you know.

1369
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah space, you're in the gallery just like you're not

1370
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: doing anybody favors. It's not about that anymore.

1371
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 3: Like I sold everything in the New York show I had,

1372
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 3: and I guarantee I didn't cover their rent. There's no

1373
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 3: way like these space Like they opened a space here

1374
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 3: in LA you were in there.

1375
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: For a full month, So that is the realistic expectation

1376
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: is that you cover their rent that month.

1377
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they have like multiple shows at time like

1378
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 3: the space they have in La it's the old Kelly

1379
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 3: Paper place. It's eight thousand square feet. Like oh, they

1380
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 3: have to sell thousand, like millions of dollars in art

1381
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 3: just to cover their expenses, so like low balling any

1382
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 3: of it. I'm just like, this isn't my business man,

1383
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 3: I'm just here making these and these guys got to pay.

1384
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 3: And what people don't understand gallery say, like, but they

1385
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 3: what they do for you for that half because now

1386
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 3: once you become like now I get lots of dms,

1387
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 3: like hey, do you sell out of your studio. That's

1388
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 3: the thing that happens next. Art vultures come and they

1389
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 3: want to buy stuff from you to get it cheap.

1390
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't because I don't get anything

1391
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 3: from selling it to you. Like they do a ton

1392
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 3: of shit for me, and that's what they get the

1393
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 3: money for. They like seeing a painting a big fancy

1394
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: gallery looks cooler than me just mailing it to you, right, And.

1395
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: The pricing is about it's about demand, it's about stance,

1396
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: it's a you know, it's about optics. So it's like

1397
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: you have a painting that's like a big green square

1398
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: and if the price I'm sure I feel like I've

1399
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: seen this in movies or something. But it's like, if

1400
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: you stick ten thousand dollars on there, someone might buy it,

1401
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: but if you if you go two fifty, people are

1402
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: like that old shitty square. It's just all there's a

1403
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: lot of that kind of human interpretation.

1404
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, art is very wacky. My favorite art

1405
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 3: story is so John Hughes's lawyer bought uh the Jeff

1406
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 3: Koons Basketball Chambers, which was a glass chamber that came

1407
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 3: with two basketball It's like aquarium with two basketballs in

1408
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: water and it comes with a certificate that says you

1409
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 3: can change the water and the basketballs because the basketball

1410
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 3: is to plate in water. And it costs two million dollars.

1411
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 3: And that's hilarious and stupid. Yeah, I'm so glad it happened,

1412
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 3: and I'm I see. I love that the crazy art

1413
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 3: world exists. I love it because it's like, what's what

1414
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 3: else are we supposed to like our big dumb human

1415
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 3: brains that we think are so special, Like, what's the

1416
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 3: other level besides just goods and services? You need to

1417
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 3: not die? Like to me, it has to like that's

1418
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 3: the only proof we're not like a little different from

1419
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 3: from like animal animals is we do this other stuff.

1420
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 3: I mean I take it like super seriously. I don't

1421
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 3: ever like let it out, but like that shit like

1422
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 3: art to me is the whole thing, Like that's the

1423
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 3: only thing for any of us, Like that's the next

1424
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 3: thing your brains, the only it's the thing that you

1425
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: should that keeps humans I don't know.

1426
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: Human, I guess and connected. And also it's the thing

1427
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: that in this town is thrown out the windows so

1428
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: quickly where people love because there's so few people that

1429
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: have any kind of a handle on talent or taste

1430
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 1: or what's good that it just there's just such a

1431
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: low respect for actual art. Yeah, that I like when

1432
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: people actually kind of go out of their career way

1433
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: to do it anyway, because I think that's like.

1434
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's what the key. The only difference

1435
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 3: in the only difference now in my life is it's

1436
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 3: someone selling them. It's like just it's a thing you

1437
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 3: just do all the time because you feel if I

1438
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 3: don't know if you feel is like this, Chris, but

1439
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 3: I feel like if you have a talent, you don't

1440
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 3: use it, you're kind of like spitting in the faces

1441
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 3: of people that weren't lucky enough to get one, you know,

1442
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 3: Like I always think of people I knew when I

1443
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 3: was younger that were like nice people, smart people who

1444
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 3: just couldn't find necessarily a calling to do, Like you're

1445
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 3: so lucky to be able to do a thing that's

1446
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 3: like it can people think it's interesting and valuable and

1447
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 3: like they're like, oh, you have a talent, Like to

1448
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 3: not do it just seems like such a damn waste.

1449
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 2: Well, it always offended me when someone was like, oh,

1450
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 2: if I had your talent, I'd do it all the time.

1451
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 2: I would love And it's like, I'm sorry, but it

1452
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 2: feels like work to me. I'm sorry that I don't

1453
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: enjoy it as much as you think you would if

1454
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: you to me, it's not. It's work. And so when

1455
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it, it's there is like like I'm

1456
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 2: doing a diskservice.

1457
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 3: There is a lack of understanding about how hard it

1458
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 3: actually is. I mean, I realized that after graduating art schools.

1459
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, oh, art school must be fun. You're like,

1460
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 3: it is the most grueling, unfun, Like it's fun that

1461
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 3: you're doing art and talking about it all the time,

1462
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 3: but like I've never slept less than my entire life.

1463
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 3: Like you had classes, like you have to do five

1464
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 3: thousand swatches in this class. Like yeah, I don't know that,

1465
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 3: but I don't want to. You have to draw watches

1466
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 3: a thousand hands. You're like I ow, but like you,

1467
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 3: I like.

1468
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 2: I like drawing hands. My dad hands, draw hands over

1469
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 2: and over and over. In the basement. He would just say,

1470
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 2: look at your left hand, draw it with your right,

1471
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 2: Look at your right hand, drop with your left it

1472
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 2: over and over.

1473
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 3: Well you can.

1474
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 2: I think this is abuse. I think your beaus is.

1475
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 2: It does sound like, man, I'm getting good at drawing hands.

1476
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 1: Why the basement? He took you down to the basis.

1477
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: It was cooler, It was the coolest. Yeah, I don't

1478
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: know why. There was a double bolt lock on the door.

1479
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 2: And it's like, hey, these are just at home art lessons.

1480
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 2: Why are you sliding a tray of food on your hair?

1481
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: But I don't think you should hoes me down after

1482
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: my one thousand hand.

1483
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: I'm in sixth grade. But I do, I do, miss I,

1484
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: I do appreciate that my dad did that so much.

1485
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: I have I always said I have in my head

1486
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 3: when I when I'm making artists like I haven't like

1487
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 3: invisible dad in the back of my head, like that

1488
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 3: looks realistic, Like that'sun how his generation judged art like that, Look,

1489
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 3: you know you really got the dad that's a good

1490
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 3: looking sphere and kills around.

1491
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 2: I was lucky to have an art school dad that

1492
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 2: would that.

1493
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 3: You're down in a very good.

1494
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 2: Very good painter. Yeah, he is a way, but that

1495
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: I honestly the way you said you you dove back

1496
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 2: into it and kind of re taught yourself how to

1497
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 2: be an oil painter, which to me is intimidating. I'm

1498
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 2: scared to not be as good as I once was.

1499
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 3: I'm going to level with you. So oil painting the

1500
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,839
Speaker 3: first week you're in the weeds, and then it's easier,

1501
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 3: don't tell me. Yeah, it takes so long to dry.

1502
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 3: You have all this time to fix things.

1503
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 2: Oh, easier than a crylic Yeah.

1504
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, acrylic you're on the clock like that.

1505
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: I for some reason, I like that. I want it

1506
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 2: to be over.

1507
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 3: But you ever, if you want to do a clear

1508
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 3: glaze and acrylic, you got to have a spray bottle

1509
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 3: in one hand and the will to murder in the other,

1510
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 3: because you got no time no time. Yeah, you oil,

1511
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 3: you lay a thing, you got days. You can't just brush,

1512
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: It's like an airbrush.

1513
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 2: Get in. Yeah, I think I'm lazy and don't want

1514
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 2: to deal with the getting rid of the chemicals. The

1515
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 2: chemical can't just pour him down a sink. What do

1516
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: you go to the facility?

1517
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 3: It's gonna can't do with your I will die from it. Yeah,

1518
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 3: well what do you do with it?

1519
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: Do you do?

1520
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 3: You?

1521
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 2: Okay, use the actual paint thinner. I will I use

1522
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 2: this use going into a boring territory. I'm sorry, little bit,

1523
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, care I'm so interested in it.

1524
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 3: There's a.

1525
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 2: We don't have to talk about.

1526
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: I want to hear where Kevin keeps his chemicals.

1527
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 3: There's no Yeah, there's a no fumes gamsaw thinner that

1528
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 3: I use as a medium and a brush cleanser.

1529
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 2: And Karen, I'm so sorry I asked.

1530
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 3: There's a pile of rocks near my back door, and

1531
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 3: that's where I dump uh the when when the paint

1532
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 3: center gets too thick, when it's you get sludge at

1533
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 3: the bottom of where you clean your brushes, and I

1534
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 3: dump it into that pile of rocks.

1535
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: And Kylo rocks from Shawshank where he's proposed to his wife.

1536
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 3: No, it's not like and you're gonna see an obsidian

1537
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: rock that has.

1538
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 2: No bas ethly business being there, And I guess I

1539
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: just missed my friend.

1540
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 3: Why do all men love Shashank Red?

1541
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 2: It's I love story much like a lethal weapon. It's

1542
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: two men that are in friends to the point where

1543
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 2: they are in love. They're yeah, they're in love.

1544
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: And also at its base is a Stephen King story.

1545
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,839
Speaker 1: And Stephen King is one of the greatest writers that we've.

1546
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 3: Ever had, and I appreciate it literally, He's one of

1547
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 3: those people that's so prolific you kind of like, ah,

1548
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 3: it's like the Beatles. You're like are they and you're like, yeah, yeah,

1549
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 3: they were actually that great.

1550
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: He writes great fucking stories. And the ending of Shashank

1551
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: and the reason everyone loves it is because finally we

1552
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: have a movie that's worth the watch. You get to

1553
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: the end, the poster fucking comes down, all is right

1554
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: with the world. You actually feel better having watched, So.

1555
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,799
Speaker 3: Stand by me, Like, yeah, that dude's wheelhouse is bunkers.

1556
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: Also pet Cemetery, you see a three year old get

1557
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: hit by a semi truck I love Pete the voice.

1558
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 2: Now listen here past guest and and not but Henry

1559
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: Phillips's mother was the voice of the possessed child in

1560
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 2: pet Cemetery. That's so chew on that ship you on.

1561
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 3: That I ruined everything I watch with my girlfriend by

1562
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 3: pointing out who that person was and something else. I'm

1563
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 3: like two episodes of phrase for that guy, two episodes

1564
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 3: of like I ruined pointing out the dog and if

1565
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 3: I'm watching TV and I love British things, so I

1566
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 3: yell out. We got a crown. We got a crown.

1567
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 3: That's a crown. That's we got a crown and a

1568
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 3: Harry Potter. We got a Potter and a crown.

1569
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: This is with the British. With the British cast, we'll

1570
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: call them the cast. That is the country of England.

1571
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 3: There's twenty five actors, truly, and I'm just like.

1572
01:15:59,240 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 2: There you are.

1573
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: I love you, Hugh Bonneville. Whatever you're about to say,

1574
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: I'll believe it, and I'll follow you all the way through.

1575
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 3: They're just too good.

1576
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: They're so good they care. They go to school for

1577
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: acting for so long.

1578
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 3: I I love a guest star that was in like

1579
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 3: one episode of Falcon Crest or something like, I'm and

1580
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 3: then I just love seeing that they're still they're still

1581
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 3: at it.

1582
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, are you you're still out there shipping away,

1583
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 2: falcon Crest. I'm just I appreciate that you watch TV

1584
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 2: with your parents when you were a kid, Falcon Crest.

1585
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 3: I dude, I was raised by the television in a

1586
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 3: way that was that was every like latch key kid.

1587
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,520
Speaker 3: It was just me and that TV. I also had insomnia,

1588
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 3: so I would just watch TV all night.

1589
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was raised by the TV. I breastfed on

1590
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 2: the knob.

1591
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 3: That's so. I used to watch televangelists, like That's how

1592
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 3: I got into everything. Yeah, yeah, just late night because

1593
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 3: on Saturday after Saturday Night Live after midnight, like the

1594
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 3: First Church Show would start like two am. It's a

1595
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 3: guy named where are you from? I'm from Locke, Personna.

1596
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: There's a guy walking around my neighborhood and the dogs

1597
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: are not having it. I'm sorry, hold on.

1598
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a Maybe he's a predator of some kind

1599
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 2: of the dogs.

1600
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 3: No listening. Karen is panami.

1601
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: No, Karen is reacting and conversing with what could only

1602
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 2: be a human.

1603
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 3: This is also my favorite thing.

1604
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 2: Facial expression you were delivering your demands to a dog with.

1605
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 3: Also one of my favorite things to watch and TV

1606
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 3: is an extra that goes too hard in pantomime. Oh that.

1607
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: Talk at the same time at each other, blah blah

1608
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. They won't relent, and.

1609
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 2: Then they both start eating soup simultaneously.

1610
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 3: Like when I'm on set.

1611
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 2: Not to brag, this is my life, but I know

1612
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 2: your union. You get the insurance.

1613
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 3: AFTRA eligible and I would walk like I would love ending.

1614
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 3: I would love when I saw I would look in

1615
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 3: the corner of my eye and see two extras that

1616
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 3: don't realize they're not a camera anymore. So they're just

1617
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 3: they're high fiving doing it like they're borderline. It's a

1618
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 3: dance and they are making points and listening to points.

1619
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 3: I love the background. They get such a bad rap,

1620
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 3: but god, what you couldn't what would you do without them?

1621
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 3: They are, I mean so necessary.

1622
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 1: Every date in the in the background of a scene

1623
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: of a TV show or a movie is is, on paper,

1624
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: the worst date anyone could be on, because I rarely

1625
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: imagine sitting across from a person who keeps talking while

1626
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: you talk like every time, I'm like, why won't one

1627
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: of you agree to relent? Why won't one of you listen?

1628
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 1: It's just as interesting to be an active listener as

1629
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: it is to be a nodding, smiling talker.

1630
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 2: And I know I've I've dropped this credit a lot.

1631
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to do it again when I'm an extra

1632
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 2: in the in the Western American Outlaws about Billy Billy

1633
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 2: the Kid. I did mostly nodding. I mostly acknowledged I

1634
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 2: was a listener in the background, and and yes I'm

1635
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 2: blurry and most shots.

1636
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: But I just need to say that my dog was

1637
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: fit turned the other way, which is why I was

1638
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: pantomiming towards her. I was trying to get her attention.

1639
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: It wasn't for the camera.

1640
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 2: I know, No, I know you weren't playing it up

1641
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 2: for visuals.

1642
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 3: I just was like, watched the guys watch this extras?

1643
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 1: I love them.

1644
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, are extras acting on zoom with your dog? You

1645
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 2: were in an argument? I was ever.

1646
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: I wish i'd figured out a way to You know,

1647
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: what I really love is one extras figure out how

1648
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,679
Speaker 1: even though they have they're crossing and basically their backs

1649
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: become to the camera. They figure out a way to

1650
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: turn around, like you see that in movies.

1651
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 2: I love it.

1652
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: There's some people that really know how to do it.

1653
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 1: Do I check my worst in commercials?

1654
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 3: In commercials, to be fair, you're talking about the difference

1655
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 3: between one hundred dollars and ten thousand dollars, right if

1656
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 3: you Yeah, if you can get your face on camera

1657
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 3: for like over three seconds like I used to. Just

1658
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 3: when I first started doing commercials, I didn't have lines.

1659
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 3: I was always just craning in. It was pee wee

1660
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 3: Herman when he's coming into frame in the movie when

1661
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 3: he's trying to like, because you can if you do

1662
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 3: it and you trick them and you get in a

1663
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 3: good take. You're getting because you don't get paid more

1664
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 3: or less for talking in a commercial. It's the same.

1665
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 3: It's just being on screen and you're face being this

1666
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 3: so you can really insure way into a whole new

1667
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 3: income level. So like it's I love it.

1668
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that. I wish I had consulted with

1669
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: you for my last let Kinta.

1670
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:43,440
Speaker 3: In Oh I Love Commercial.

1671
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 2: This is one of those episodes I figured it would happen,

1672
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 2: but we've gone ours. Oh my god, five minute yeah,

1673
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 2: I know. I know, because we're having fun.

1674
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 3: You got you got Christy, Hey.

1675
01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 1: A bit?

1676
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:06,560
Speaker 2: You do it again so fast that yeah, this is

1677
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 2: going to end with it to be continued. We're gonna

1678
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 2: have to divide this up.

1679
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 3: Because you know, talent, it goes at the speed of fun, so.

1680
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 2: It really does up.

1681
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 3: Just don't Yeah you're gonna that's it. By the way,

1682
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 3: a great T shirt. I don't know, you're not.

1683
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,839
Speaker 1: There's your merch for yourself.

1684
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

1685
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 3: That's you know what. I would never make merch for myself.

1686
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it. I'd hire someone else. I would

1687
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 3: only think.

1688
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 2: I would be like I need to, I'll accept the deal.

1689
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 2: I'm glad, thank you. Yes, yeah, you'll know when I'm done.

1690
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 2: That's what I always say when I slam the I

1691
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 2: throw the phone across the road.

1692
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 3: When people ask my friends like, does Kevin do commissions?

1693
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 3: I go tell them I'm slow and expensive, and then

1694
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 3: I never that's great.

1695
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: See, yeah, I don't want to work either. Kevin. You

1696
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 2: what do you? What are you doing?

1697
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: Uh?

1698
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 2: Any plugs?

1699
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 3: Uh? If you want to look at my art, you

1700
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 3: can get my Instagram at Kevin G. Christy.

1701
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: Do you have Kevin g Christy g in the middle.

1702
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 3: Uh.

1703
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you stands for George Gordon Gordon of course, Gordon

1704
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: my grandfather's name, my second guest yep uh and same

1705
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 2: for if you want to see some jokes, you can

1706
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 2: go on Twitter. Twitter.

1707
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,719
Speaker 3: You other than that, just follow the teachings of christ

1708
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 3: and so I want to change your life. There's a

1709
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 3: book called Dynetics. I recommend.

1710
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: I just remember, Sorry, Chris, I just remember one of

1711
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: my favorite, honestly memories of my life because I knew

1712
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: Kevin Christy from comedy and I knew him from Twitter.

1713
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 1: I saw him. I saw him on a TV series

1714
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: about fantasy football on a plane one time and became

1715
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: number one fan. Have I never talked to you about this? No?

1716
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 2: I saw you in the league.

1717
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: No oh no, it was a different thing.

1718
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 3: Gary Ferrara, you may know him as Turtle and Max Greenfield.

1719
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 3: You may know Schmidt.

1720
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 2: Maybe you know. I had two callbacks for Turtle and

1721
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 2: I didn't get it. They gave that that kid, that

1722
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 2: manager of a Lids store. I should have worn my

1723
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 2: car all hat A little upset.

1724
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,799
Speaker 3: It's a terrible He helped me through my divorce, how dairy.

1725
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: Well he makes the hell of a fat sandwich.

1726
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 3: Saw. I mean she was in men's health.

1727
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Speaker 2: He looks like he's going to beat me up. Now

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01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 2: I was kidding.

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01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. Here's the thing, Jerry comes from a place.

1730
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 3: I wouldn't get in a fight with that man. He

1731
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 3: grew up in He grew up in Brooklyn when it

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01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 3: wasn't when it wasn't fancy.

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01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: Back to my story. Sorry, I knew Kevin from Twitter

1734
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: from that TV show. Then I followed him on Twitter,

1735
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 1: didn't understand how Twitter worked, and faved every single thing

1736
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: he posted, not understanding I could see it and would

1737
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 1: probably see me doing that. Didn't know that in the beginning,

1738
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: felt humiliated. Then was doing comedy shows like some like

1739
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: either at the same time or was around him. Then

1740
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: felt especially humiliated. And then one day I walked out

1741
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: of therapy with a huge, swollen, crying face and here's

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01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Christie sitting in the waiting room of my therapist's

1743
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 1: office because there was like three therapists. And the first

1744
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 1: time I was like, Wow, it can't get worse with

1745
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: this fucking guy. Truly, After like the third time we

1746
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 1: saw each other in passing because my appointment was always ending,

1747
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: when his was beginning. One time, Kevin just held up

1748
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: the silent fist and we did a fist bump, like

1749
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: a therapy fist bump in the waiting room, and it

1750
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite things of all times.

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01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 3: Well, it's like divorce wreckage.

1752
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's a bump it?

1753
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, fun, I've met the only man. One of

1754
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 3: my memories of you came in because then our point

1755
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 3: was at the same time, and so you would come

1756
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 3: in and we're both sitting there and there was a

1757
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 3: couple's therapists and there was a couple in there they're

1758
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 3: waiting to go in and they were having way too

1759
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 3: much fun. Yeah, we're just getting along great and laughing.

1760
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 3: And then they went and I was like, those two

1761
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 3: fuckers were just laughing, like why are they going? And

1762
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 3: what are you there? To Tamas? Like it was so there,

1763
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 3: like therapy waiting room is such a specific hellscape. It's

1764
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 3: so weird. It's just we're all just like, hey, sad.

1765
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: You don't want to see people you know coming or

1766
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 1: going in therapy. You just don't. And you and I

1767
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: didn't have any kind of like it wasn't even like, oh,

1768
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 1: I've been at parties with them, Oh, that guy's cool,

1769
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: nothing at all.

1770
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 3: I just had that aning of our relationship.

1771
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: It was and I think that that fist bump really

1772
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: kind of solidified of like, Okay, I don't this guy's

1773
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: I trust this guy. This isn't this because it was

1774
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: so embarrassing. Like you people talk about going to therapy,

1775
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: but you're like, yeah, but you don't also go oh

1776
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: and I really cry hard in therapy.

1777
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you see someone talk repeatedly, it's like,

1778
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 3: oh you cry every time. Wow, Wow, you're really okay.

1779
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 3: So it's just you're still you're still digging into it.

1780
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 3: You're not so much. There's other sides not quite that

1781
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 3: simple yet, that was still doing. Everyone's just leaving puffy

1782
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 3: and you're like, wow, you we just we're just paying

1783
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 3: for this bullshit. I'm full zoom now, which feels easier.

1784
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 2: See now, it's perfect. I hope we have a better

1785
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 2: help add this episode. And that's a perfect time to

1786
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 2: slip it in.

1787
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 3: It's tailor made to you guys. I think this is

1788
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 3: a great time to bring up Squarespace.

1789
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 2: You're the only podcast not sponsored by Squarespace.

1790
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: We're real.

1791
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: It's not a catchy slogan, but Kevin, you are that

1792
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 2: this was a goddamn to like it really was. You've

1793
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 2: been listening to Do You Need to Ride? D y

1794
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 2: M here? This has been an exactly right production.

1795
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: Produced by Casey O'Brien.

1796
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 2: Mixed by John Bradley.

1797
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: Artwork by Chris Fairbanks.

1798
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 2: Theme song by Karen Kilgareff.

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01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 1: Follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook at dinar

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01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: podcast That's d Ynar Podcast.

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01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 2: For more information, go to exactly rightmedia dot com.

1802
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: Listen, follow and leave us a review on Amazon Music,

1803
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:28,640
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1804
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:31,519
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1805
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1806
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