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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling, bring it on, bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Slim the ground by Buda Baker like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield, Pink scart and nobody. Here's

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Speaker 1: Paul caldc right. So the last time we had fogged

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl twoy fifteen. And the reason I bring

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Speaker 1: that up, Danny Serek and Darren Irman is because hopefully

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Speaker 1: to Super Bowl fifty seven when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: fogged like this twice in like four months, right, help

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Speaker 1: me out here. Okay, I'm confused real quick. Once again,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about the the fog this morning that we

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Speaker 1: all saw Hawks Patriots super Bowl that was last year.

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Speaker 1: There was fog. Then there was fog. Remember a lot

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Speaker 1: It was crazy, you know, fog. It does remind me

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Speaker 1: I didn't know people really felt a certain way about it. Well,

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Speaker 1: how we're gonna start the podcast coming off the bye week,

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Speaker 1: Darren Danny, just way, just wait till you schedule and

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Speaker 1: thinking you're safe, but all there is is fog along

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Speaker 1: be fair, My family and I went to San Diego

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Speaker 1: a good time for San Diego. Well, sure there is.

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Speaker 1: Whenever it's one hundred and ten plus here or any

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Speaker 1: But what are the odds that coach Belichick stands for that.

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Speaker 1: gets back to being one of the leading qbs in

427
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Speaker 1: the NFL when it comes to accuracy, because we just

428
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 1: saw a Chargers game where he missed Hollywood Brown down

429
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: that right sideline twice and other throws that could have

430
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: been there and weren't, including the interception on four down.

431
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: Tod Hop obviously could have pulled a little more air

432
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: under that. So what has been going on with Kyler

433
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: Murray and what can you do to get him right?

434
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: Because does momentum carry over from one season to the next.

435
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, there's too much turnover, Budy, if you're talking

436
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: about your franchise quarterback and getting him right, Yeah, that's

437
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: something that has stay in power. Momentum might not carry

438
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: over season to season, but I believe that confidence does,

439
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: and I think that Kyler Murray runs pretty high on

440
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: that confidence. And I'm not saying as in a cocky person.

441
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying as the confidence of knowing that he can

442
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: do it and he can make those throws. And that's

443
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: been challenging this year. And I don't know if that

444
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: there's been a sort of mental block that's been preventing

445
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: those big time, chunk play accurate throws that we haven't

446
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: seen from him. This year, and I think that's important

447
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: as your leader, as your franchise quarterback, that you are

448
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: leading the charge to finish this season strong, that you

449
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: are proving you know that you can still put these

450
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: plays together, that you are still elevating your skill players

451
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: that are out there, elevating your receivers and leading them

452
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: in positions to be successful. Absolutely, I think that a

453
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 1: lot of this moving forward on how this team finishes

454
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: a year does whether that's fair or not, it comes

455
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: down on Kyler murray shoulders and not just his play

456
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: on the field, but how he's leading that team in

457
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: the locker room. The question to me is, and you've

458
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: got five games, so there's a lot of opportunity there

459
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: besides just this upcoming game. But I don't know if

460
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: going against Bill Belichick and the Patriots is that game

461
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: that's a get healthy kind of game because he can

462
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: make things tough, especially as you said, when he's got

463
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: this much time to plan against a guy like Kyler Murray.

464
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: Usually that ends up in Bill Belichick's you know, chuck

465
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: box in terms of like who gets the advantage. And

466
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: I'm really curious about it, but I agree with Danny.

467
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: I think that I agree that momentum isn't a thing

468
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: over season, but confidence can be. And you know every

469
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: player is going to talk a good game, but at

470
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: some point you've got to pause sometimes and say, Okay,

471
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: where am I right now and how is this season

472
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: going to end? And I do think it's super important

473
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: for him to have a very good end to the season.

474
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: I do think that having this mind upset people hearing this.

475
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: I do think that you can look and see as

476
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: a whole having a season like this, maybe as an individual.

477
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it can be good, because

478
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's good, but I think it can

479
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: provide learning opportunities that constantly having overly successful seasons and

480
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: having ten eleven wins year after year after year, you

481
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: learn different things by having a year where you go

482
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,959
Speaker 1: where you're right now, you're at four and eight. Why

483
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 1: would people be upset? Because I don't want it to

484
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: be taken as like, hey, look, maybe having a season

485
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: like this can be a good thing. I'm not saying

486
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 1: it's a good thing, but I think that there are

487
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: opportunities to learn new things about yourself as an individual

488
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: or a player, or how you can step up as

489
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: a leader. Even if you're you know, not everyone on

490
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: that team can be the leader, but how can you

491
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: be a better team player? And I think that this

492
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: is going to pose a lot of opportunities for this

493
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: team to grow, and I think that starts with how

494
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: you finish these last five games. I would I would agree.

495
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 1: I would say to the point about it being a

496
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: good season, to me, it's one of those. They're already

497
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: four and eight, so try and take something good out

498
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: of it that you can. And every team goes through. Yeah,

499
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: maybe not say ahead of time, well before the season starts.

500
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it'd be good if this team had a bad

501
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: year so they've learned some things. No one's going to

502
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: do that. But if we're as long as this team's

503
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: already where it is, you might as well pull something

504
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: good out of it. I agree with that, because what

505
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: the other option is to be just completely negative about it,

506
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: which you can be and if you're a fan, trust me,

507
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: there's plenty of fans of the field that way. But

508
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: I mean I would prefer to try, And which is

509
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: surprising because I'm a pretty glass off empty kind of guy.

510
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 1: I can I can see too, when you have so

511
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: much carry over of they played so well last year.

512
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: What changes here? I mean, look at the Rams, like

513
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 1: the Cardinals aren't the only team experiencing what feels like

514
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: a huge setback this year. Sure, Packers, Yeah, there there's plenty.

515
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: I get it. And you're right, you know there there

516
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: should be benefit in what has really been a reality check.

517
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: That's what this season has become. So there's losing games,

518
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: and then if you lose your opportunity to learn from

519
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: a losing season, Well, now you've lost twice. You better

520
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: figure it out because there's eason either a big reason

521
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: or a million reasons why be depa right, you better

522
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: diagnose why. Now I'm following up on your comment. I

523
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: like that momentum doesn't carry over, but confidence does. Because

524
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 1: you know what else they think of is that recent

525
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: anecdote from a sideline reporter on CBS and I cannot

526
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: pronounce her name, Okay, but but all all the sideline reporters,

527
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: I think we all agree bring the best information and

528
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: content and wee weekend and week out. And this CBS

529
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: sideline reporter told this story of Mike mcdannel or the Dolphins.

530
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: You know what he did with two in the off season.

531
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: He put together a highlight reel of seven hundred of

532
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: his best throws. I think from like all levels, Alabama, NFL,

533
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: even eight, there were high school film in there. They

534
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: just went out and they scoured the internet. They grabbed

535
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: seven hundred of the best place to ever made and

536
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: they gave him this reel and they said, here's your

537
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: offseason homework assignment. I want you to watch yourself at

538
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: your best and two of the way. He told it

539
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: to the sideline reporter. Apparently leading into that game. That

540
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: did wonders for his confidence because being in that environment,

541
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: coaching change, hearing all the booze and the criticism from

542
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: Dolphins fans and beyond. Yeah, he's human. He started a

543
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: question whether or maybe he'd lost something along the way,

544
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: said no, no, I still got this. Now. Did he

545
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: play a great game against the forty nine ers? Absolutely not.

546
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: He missed receivers all over the yard. I don't know

547
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: what was going on in the forty niners. Well, it's

548
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: it's funny you bring that up when we're talking about

549
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: left handed quarterbacks, because you know who I think of

550
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: and something like that. Matt Liner. Wow, Now was Matt

551
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: Liner ever gonna be good? I don't know. But when

552
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: you look at how people talk about Matt Leiner and

553
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: how people talk about two of There's a lot of

554
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: similar kinds of things in terms of arm strength and

555
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And I wonder sometimes had he had

556
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: a guy like Mike McDaniel doing seven hundred cutups of

557
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: his best plays rather than Ken wizzen Hunt, who, in

558
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: his belief he was a big you know, everybody's accountable

559
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: and I don't want to hear it. And he in

560
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: a lot of ways treated the starting quarterback the same

561
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: way he'd treat the backup middle linebacker. And I believe

562
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: Matt Leiner was somebody who needed a pat on the butt.

563
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: Because did Matt Lener come out of usc ultra confident? Yes?

564
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: He did, say yes, and he played like it when

565
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: he first showed up. He did. I mean the four

566
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: hundred yard passing game against the Vikings his rookie year

567
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: that starts against the Chiefs and the and the Monday

568
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: night meltdown against the Bears. What gets lost is Matt

569
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: Leiner played two really good games and they did not

570
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: lose because of him. Look at the before and after,

571
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: look at Lenard as a rookie, and then look at

572
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: captain checkdown his final few games with the Cardinals, two

573
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: totally different players. So whether it was a combination of

574
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: whizzing on and I think you're absolutely correct, whether it

575
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: was also a matter of him watching the ability of

576
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner to diagnose a defense and find his third

577
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: and fourth read instantly, and then he just lost his

578
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: confidence watching the way Kurt could dissect a defense and

579
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: he realized, oh boy, I'm not seeing the field like

580
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner is, And I think that undermines some of

581
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: his confidence along the way. But yeah, that goes a

582
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: long way. So if Kyler Murray can be that guy,

583
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: because nobody, nope, at least I haven't heard anybody, you guys,

584
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: tell me has a rational, feasible explanation as to what

585
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: happened to the Cardinals downfield passing game. To me, if

586
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: there's one thing they can recapture five games to go

587
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: and now they finally have the personnel to do it,

588
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: get d hop in Hollywood, Brown and company, if you

589
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: get Rondelle more back healthy, get these guys involved. Chunk

590
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: throws down the field. I throw the chunk throw just

591
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: for the sake of throwing the junk throw. Now that

592
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: the win losses aren't ultra important anymore. I treat December

593
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: like August in some ways. See if you can regain

594
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: traction and start really building that chemist because you haven't

595
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: had a lot of opportunities having the three of them

596
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: out on the field together, so that when zach Ertz

597
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: comes back next season, all you gotta do is PLoP

598
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: him in. I think that's important too, is you haven't

599
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: had all of your receivers together. So what can you

600
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: create now with those three in Hopkins, Brown and more

601
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: to carry over into next season? And ain't speaking of confidence?

602
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: What about Trey McBride, get some confidence? And Trey McBride,

603
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: what did Cliffs say after the Chargers game? Yeah? It

604
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: was nice, haven't hop in Hollywood? We've been really nice

605
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: to have zach ERTs work in the seams. Guess what,

606
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: Trey McBride, Hello, your time, Bud. You're a second round

607
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: rookie and it's December. It's your time to make those

608
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: plays that we all see in practice? Am I the

609
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: only one? You watch him catch the ball so effortlesslessly

610
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: and in practice a lot better than I just said

611
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: the word effortlessly, right, I mean he he's not fighting

612
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: the football, he's a natural pass catcher in practice. But

613
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: when we're when you say seeing him in practice, when

614
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: we're watching him in practice, there's no defense there. It's

615
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: on air. You're right, it's on air. You're right. We

616
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: don't know what he's doing, just to be honest, that

617
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: kind of practice. And I don't know, I get the

618
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: frustration with Trey McBride, and I understand why people are

619
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: trying to figure out why he isn't doing better, although

620
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, some guys are going to take a little

621
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: bit longer, and I don't think, you know, he certainly

622
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting to be thrown into it quite the way

623
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: he has been. And I don't think they approached getting

624
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: him in that position necessarily because they thought they were

625
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: gonna have zach Ertz and all this stuff. So, you know,

626
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: I think Trey McBride was supposed to be the number

627
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: two tight end this year and have him block a

628
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: little bit and have zach Ertz make all the catches.

629
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: And you're just in a different position right now. And

630
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. You expected to have zach Ertz

631
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: for the catching side of things, And at the beginning

632
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: of this season, you expected Max Williams to be healthy

633
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: enough to really work on that blocking. And so, yes,

634
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: you probably expected Tray McBride to come in as that

635
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: number two tight end, But I agree with you. I

636
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: don't think there was anyone to have the expectation that

637
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: he was going to be put in the role that

638
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: he has now been put into at this point in

639
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: the season. Other young players you want to see down

640
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: the stretch. How about my J. Sanders? Correct, it was

641
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: that same forty nine Ers game, And how much you

642
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: guys watch that Nick Bosa is fourteenth and a half

643
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: sack and I just shook by it. I'm like, you know, look,

644
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: it's not that we're not that far removed from Chandler

645
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 1: Jones putting it up seventeen and nineteen sacks in a season.

646
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: But you're reminded how little production the Cardinals are getting

647
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: from their edge rushers. When the leading edge rusher on

648
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: the Cardinals team this year has two, yeah, two sacks,

649
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: and my J. Sanders because JJ Watta has six and

650
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: a half, Zach Allen has four and a half. These

651
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: are interior defensive lineman Cam Thomas I think has four

652
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: two anyway, but these are more interior the edge rushers

653
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: is what's been lacking obviously among other things on this

654
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals team. And then when you see someone pile up

655
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: those sort of numbers like a Nick Bosa, you just, Okay,

656
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: what would does Cardinals defense look like if it had

657
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: that guy? Again, Well, it wouldn't have Kyler Murray because

658
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: you would have drafted him, right. I mean, that's the

659
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: thing is it's dangerous. I'm just talking. You're someone the

660
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: offense has to game plan for off the edge. I

661
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: just I don't want people to get lost and saying yeah, Nick,

662
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: but while he was the number two overall pick and

663
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: could have been number one overall and my j Sanders

664
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: was one hundred and you know, I just I think

665
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: that's obviously place. As we get to the end of this,

666
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll start talking about what our needs in

667
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: the off season, and obviously edge rusher is going to

668
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: be one of them. But at the same time, we

669
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: could probably come up with five positions that desperately could

670
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: If you said, hey, we're going to commit the first

671
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: pick to this position, people would be like, oh, that's

672
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: a good idea. There's more than just looking at sack

673
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: numbers for how much pressure a defense is generating and

674
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: how disruptive, you are, but I do agree that most

675
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: of that has come from the interior defensive lineman. The

676
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: outside linebackers have for the most part been pretty quiet.

677
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: Myji Sanders was inactive for what the first four or

678
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: five game his rookie season, and now he's you know,

679
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: it's it's unfortunate because I think, especially after signing him too,

680
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: I believe it was a one year deal in the

681
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: off season with Marcus Golden expects him to kind of

682
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: make a little more noise as that veteran pass rusher

683
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: that just hasn't been there. And with all due respect

684
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: to you know, the veterans like forty four or forty

685
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: five Dennis Gardeck, you know, my j Sanders better get

686
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the snaps down the stretch. That's just me.

687
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: No more of this. Alway played nineteen snaps in this game,

688
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: or he played twenty two snaps in this game, and

689
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: he's really a situational second and long, third and long

690
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: pass rusher. No. Honestly, Kelvs consulting over here says, get

691
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: that kid in the game every single down the rest

692
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: of the way. I don't. That's where it pays off.

693
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: Next year, I don't have a problem with that, but

694
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: I do find and this is part of this is

695
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: for me is what I have to endure. You can't.

696
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: You don't get to demand. I'm not saying you now.

697
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking about fans like he's talking about you, Paul,

698
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: go here we go. You don't get to demand playing

699
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: these rookies when they haven't been probably for a reason,

700
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: and then when they go out there and make a

701
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: handful of mistakes and you get burned, and then everybody's like,

702
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: why is he out there? Why he doesn't why is

703
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: he not doing well? I mean, the McBride thing is

704
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: one of those things. Everybody's like, why isn't McBride playing more?

705
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: Why isn't he playing well? Well, now you're playing, and

706
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: now you're seeing why he wasn't playing more, And everybody's like, well,

707
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: why isn't he bet Well, you can't. You're either gonna

708
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: force feed them or you're not gonna keep they can't

709
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: be satisfied, Darren, No, why are you reveling in this?

710
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: I feel like, dude, let me ask you a question.

711
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's an easy answer this,

712
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: but my frustration do the Cardinals need to get Isaiah

713
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: Simmons right in the last five games, because you can

714
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: look at the box score and he's tied for the

715
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: team lead and tackles with eight in an unbelievable sack

716
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: that honestly could have maybe should have been the game

717
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: ender right there, if the Cardinal's offense can just seal

718
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: the deal. At the same time, there's Isaiah Simmons at

719
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: the end of the game, both a touchdown on the

720
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: two point version with his eyes in the wrong spot.

721
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: There's Isaiah Simmons on the big what thirty three yard

722
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: touchdown catch and run to DeAndre Carter right before the

723
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: half and a hard knock. So you hear Zavian Collins

724
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: yellowed za. Okay, if indeed that was his assignment, it

725
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: was a bust of assignment by someone because DeAndre Carter

726
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: was wide open. So do you need to get Isaiah

727
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: Simmons right? Yes on two counts one. As if we

728
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: had heard from Vance Joseph at the start of the

729
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: season how you were not necessarily going to build a

730
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: defense around Isaiah Simmons, but a lot of what you

731
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: were going to do was going to be based around

732
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: the fact that you could place him anywhere on the field,

733
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: and that it was going to be difficult for an

734
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: offense to know what he was going to be doing

735
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: because he could play anywhere. He was a hybrid. Some

736
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: might even call him Isaiah. All my mic was off.

737
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: That was my moment. That was moment of Isaiah, Paul,

738
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: I set you up. It's a story of my season.

739
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: There was the opportunity to the air in here. There

740
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: was the opportunity to play time and get a good

741
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: grade from the coach. And anyway, you need to be

742
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: able to know if you are going to have that

743
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: same mindset and that same goal next year, if you're

744
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: going to have to adjust the way you are using

745
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: him and the other parts of this defense. And the

746
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: second reason I said yes, that you have to make

747
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: sure you're getting Isaiah Simmons right in these last five games. Isaiah,

748
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Go ahead, I'm sorry, dang it, it's a

749
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: story all I know. What's the second reason I would rather?

750
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: I would rather hear some crinkling of papers, or you're

751
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: taking a slug of water. Then you miss a chance

752
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: to just jump right in the podcast, Paul, So don't

753
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: be turning off your mic less and learn. See we

754
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: all have things to learn over the last five games

755
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: to summer harder to learn than others. Similar to my

756
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: point made about Kyler Murray and the confidence, Isaiah Simmons

757
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: strikes me mentally as the same type of player that

758
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: it is important for him to end the season on

759
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: that high note confidence wise, to remember the skill set

760
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: that he has and that he was drafted as high

761
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: as he was for a reason, and that he's on

762
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: this team for a reason. And he has had struggles

763
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: this year. I mean, he was benched for the first

764
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: time in his career. So that's another reason I think

765
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: it is important that you get him right. Is not

766
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: just so you know how you're going to base your

767
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: defense next year, if it's going to be in a

768
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: similar mindset or not, but also so you have this

769
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: player who you expect to be one of your stars

770
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: on defense having that confidence. Still. It's funny that you

771
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: bring that up and we talk about what we've seen

772
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: on Hard Knocks, and I know a lot of people

773
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: feel some kind of way about that, But I did

774
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: think in the last episode that there was an interesting clip,

775
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: and I'm fairly certain it was from early in the

776
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: season when Isaiah Simmons was sitting talking to Marcus Robertson

777
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: defensive the secondary coach, about and at one point Isaiah

778
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: said something, and I'm paraphrasing, but he basically he looked

779
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: he looked a little defeated during a practice and he's like,

780
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: what do what do I have to do? What am I?

781
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: What am I missing? What am I? And there are

782
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: times when I still feel like his play kind of

783
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: reflects that a little bit. Like I I truly believe

784
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: there are times when Isaiah isn't quite sure why it's

785
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: not working for him, and there's a frustration level going

786
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: back to the confidence that you guys are talking about

787
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: um to not be there. And so when you say

788
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: get him right, I'm curious to know what that looks

789
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: like like is that well? And that's a great question,

790
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: and I should elaborate a little bit. So the final

791
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: SoundBite in that sequence, and especially in that conversation with

792
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: his position coach Marcus Robertson really works with the safeties,

793
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: which is interesting. That was the change to start this year.

794
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: They took him out of the linebacker rooms and they

795
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: put him in with the safeties. And as Aia Simmons

796
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: will tell you, you you know, he's been watching anything and

797
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: everything that Buddha Baker does. That's that's the leader obviously

798
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball and especially in that room.

799
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: But what what does Marcus Robertson tell him? Ultimately at

800
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: the very end of that sequence, he says, you're a

801
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: totally different player when you know what to do versus

802
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: when you think you know what to do. So, however

803
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: you want to define that, he needs to be the

804
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: former and not the latter. He needs to know what

805
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: to do and just play free without thinking he knows

806
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: what to do, and that leads to the mental errors

807
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: or maybe the hesitation. To me, it's not totally unlike

808
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick back in the day playing inside linebacker. There's

809
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: one thing in common, I say, and that is that

810
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: all the athleticism in the world, akin to an Isaiah

811
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: Simmons a unicorn, but when he's playing that inside linebacker

812
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: spot is sun Reddick. If there's just that moment of hesitation,

813
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: that moment where a false step to the left when

814
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: the players going to the rightsion. Yes, yeah, that's the

815
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: similarity to me. So can you get him you know,

816
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: what is his best position? Do you ultimately have an

817
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: answer sort to that? Because I asked this to Lorenzo Alexander,

818
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: former Cardinals edge guy. I was on with Wolf and

819
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: Zo on Friday, and I just said, do you need

820
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: to Micah Parsons Isaiah Simmons? Do you need to make

821
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: him primarily a pass rusher? Yeah? They used Michael Parsons

822
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: in a variety of different roles, but obviously he's learned

823
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 1: in that next contract in his Pro Bowl status based

824
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: on getting to the quarterback? Does that need to be

825
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons? And Lorenzo shut that down right away said,

826
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: not the same body type, not the same skill set.

827
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: Might you know, might be a good concept, but no,

828
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: that that wouldn't be feasible long term. I'm glad he

829
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: said that because there's lots of fans who keep asking

830
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: about that, and I so a guy who played the

831
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: position shut me down immediately with that line. Would have

832
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: down anyways, but I understand where he shut me down.

833
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: The entire show actually stole my milk money and gave

834
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: me an atomic weggie. But other than that, it was that.

835
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: I just thought i'd bring that up because that actually

836
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: has relevance here to what we're talking about. Well, you know,

837
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: the thing is is you're I mean, there's a lot

838
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: of things that need to be done with Isaiah Simmons

839
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: this offseason, and that's why these five games are important.

840
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: And that's why the question of getting him right is

841
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: such a big deal. He's going to be going into

842
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: his fourth year. You're going to have to make a

843
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: decision on his fifth year option in May. By May,

844
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: so are you Wow? I forgot about that. Are you

845
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: going to are you going to commit a fifth year

846
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: of guaranteed money to him, which is going to be

847
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 1: a fairly large amount of money I would think being

848
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: picked eighth overall? Wow, Yeah, that's no. That's so it

849
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: makes me wonder, Okay, what do they see during the

850
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: bye week when they self scouted this defense and when

851
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: they self scouted the offense? To what degree can you

852
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: expect change? You're no longer playing for a realistic shot

853
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: of the postseason, So what does that mean that gives

854
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: you more of a free reign to make changes, experiment

855
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I did ask that question on

856
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury's TV show this week. He did agree there'll

857
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: be some more experimentation. Obviously, he didn't elaborate. He didn't

858
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: give us any classified info as to who or where

859
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: that might happen, but I don't know. Here on Cardinals Underground,

860
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: we welcome speculation, Danny, So go ahead if you have

861
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: any other thoughts as to where they might experiment on

862
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: either side of the ball, any player on this roster um.

863
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have to think about that for

864
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: a second. I gotta be honest. I don't mean to

865
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: be speaking out a turn here, but I've heard a

866
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: lot of coaches say that over the years, not just

867
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, and usually it's nothing. It's usually they say, hey,

868
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: we might do this or that, like talk vaguely, we

869
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: make it, and then you watch the games and you're like, yeah,

870
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: there's really there's really not a whole lot different. There's

871
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: not a whole lot different. You're going to get at

872
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: this between injuries. I mean, what what options would you have.

873
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: You're not mentioned the quarterback. You're you just got to

874
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: the point where you might have your top three receivers together.

875
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: We don't know what's happening with Rondale Moore. I mean,

876
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: if you're starting cornerback is already out, you're already adjusting that.

877
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what you would potentially do.

878
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: The only thing I could think of is going back

879
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: to what you said before, which was do you cut

880
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: like Marcus Golden's time significantly and play my j Sanders

881
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: a ton more something like that. Okay, I suppose, but

882
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: even that that, to me, that's nothing drastic or out

883
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 1: of the box because that's just what you would do

884
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: with five games left in your shot. So again, I'm

885
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: not trying to downplay anything Cliff is saying, and maybe

886
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but when I look mentally over

887
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: this depth chart on both sides of the ball, I

888
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: think to myself, what could you possibly do that hasn't

889
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: already been done? You're right, like a Lacida Smith is

890
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: your starting right guard going for? But yeah, nothing radical.

891
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: Let's I can and I already tell you there's there's

892
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: gonna be people out there listening right now and they're

893
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: saying to their device that's listening to the podcast, Well,

894
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be Cliff giving up the play calling, which

895
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: I guess would qualify that's not going to happen. So

896
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if there is anything else, And with

897
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: the state of this offensive line, you obviously don't want

898
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: to do anything crazy and risk further injury to your quarterback,

899
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: especially against a team like New England Patriots. If you're

900
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: asking me, what's my biggest concern going against Belichick and

901
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: this team? Thanks for asking, Danny. I would say a

902
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: team that is top three in sacks Matthew Judean and

903
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: company in fifty five ooja, I don't know any those

904
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: guys who were dynamic on Thursday night football. And when

905
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: you have an offensive line, the features kept by the

906
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: way you want. My new nickname for the offensive line

907
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: is Beach in the backups. It's like a fifties you know,

908
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: a pop band, you know, Beach in the backups. That's

909
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: my name for the offensive line right now. So you

910
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: got beach in the backup. That's a lot more normal

911
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: than most of your nicknames are. Wow. So you know,

912
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: it's it's tough. It's been a long year. I've been

913
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: beating down myself. Well, if Ronnie Hudson there's a chance

914
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: he I mean, is there actually realistic chance he's able

915
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: to come back this week? Well, um, and I will

916
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: I will be First of all, his window off IR

917
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: hasn't been opened yet. Okay, now again, so there's that

918
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: you could you could do that and activate him. I

919
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: will stand by what I've thought all along, which is

920
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: I do not anticipate Rodney Hudson playing again. That is

921
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: pure speculation. I am not reporting that. I am not

922
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: saying anybody's told me that. But I would be surprised

923
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: if Rodney Hudson plays again. Will Hernandez I think would

924
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: has a chance. And it's interesting they did not put

925
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: cornerback Byron Murphy with the back on ir Yeah, so

926
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: is there Yeah? I say, is there a chance you

927
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: think he? I guess by this point in the season,

928
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: with where you are, backs are tricky. It's again I

929
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: think with the back end Byron Murphy, it's it's it's

930
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: week to week and I'm I wonder if on either

931
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: side his contract situation is part of that. Yeah, I

932
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: mean if he was in this similar spot as a

933
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: DJ Humphrey's meaning under contract, long term, big money. Well,

934
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: they have already shut him down. Do they still want

935
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: some answer? I'm Byron Murphy. Does Byron Murphy still want

936
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: some more game film? If he's not going to be

937
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: an Arizona Cardinal. I mean, I have a hard time

938
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: say that. I have a hard time believing they're they're

939
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: walking away from Byron Murphy end or Zach Allen. I

940
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: just don't think that. But it is curious that they've

941
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: yet to get a deal done with either party, isn't it.

942
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: I would not disagree with you there, So what exactly?

943
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: There are franchise tags out there, so yeah, we'll see um.

944
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: But look, um, you know, maybe there's who else is

945
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: on in terms of defensive linemen that you want to

946
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: get a look at. We talked about the edge rushers.

947
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm expecting Cam Thomas is gonna play a lot of snaps.

948
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: You trade it for Tristan Hill from the Cowboys, former

949
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: second round trade them, I forget waivers Waivers Okay, yeah,

950
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: you're right it was Waivers and so boom, former second

951
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: round pick. I'm guessing that guy's gonna get studies. They've

952
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: got a handful of guys that you know. Do you

953
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: do you do you look at Tristan Hill some more?

954
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: Or do you look at um on offense? Do you

955
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 1: do you do you have you seen enough from Cody Ford?

956
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: Or do you put Cody Ford back in the lineup? No?

957
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: Definitely play him, Definitely, you would. I would shot coward yep. Absolutely,

958
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: unless you've seen to the point where you're convinced you

959
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: know what you have in him Robbie Anderson. Now, Robbie

960
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: Anderson has received a lot of snaps, at least enough

961
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: to make an impact. He hasn't. But is there something too,

962
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: just an ultra slow learning curve? Well, again, no way,

963
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: Robbie Anderson's going to be a situation that if you

964
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: decided you wanted him around next year, you're gonna have

965
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: to go to him and tell him he's got to

966
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: take this big pay cut. So, I mean, he's already

967
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: under contracts, so it's just a question of whether he

968
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: plays for what you want him to play for. It right?

969
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 1: If you, to me, you're a veteran in this league,

970
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: You've been here I don't even know how many weeks

971
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: at this point to have him in simple basic packages

972
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: and the fact that he's had what two catches and

973
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: only one of those has been for positive yardage? Is

974
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: that that to me? You can't put learning curve on that.

975
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: That's two max three weeks If you're going to be

976
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: playing every snap at that point. Well, look, the cold

977
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: reality as that since starting ten and two last year,

978
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: the Cardinals have lost thirteen out of eighteen. That's the

979
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: cold reality. So you got to see if you can

980
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: affect some sort of change, significant change down the stretch.

981
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: Otherwise it's going to make the narrative and the noise

982
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: that much worse than the off season. So we'll see.

983
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: So is it safe to say that it will not

984
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: be three straight years of the host team playing in

985
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? That's a pretty big bummer. I think

986
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: I'm feeling pretty safe for that, Which brings us back

987
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: full circle to the fog where we started this super

988
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: Bowl discussion. So there you go, just sitting in the fog. Yeah, fog.

989
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: You know what Danny and Paul it is. I would

990
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: not want to be in the fog with anyone else. Well,

991
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: and you want the fog to clear on this season,

992
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: do you not? Isn't that an apt metaphor for where

993
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are right now? What exactly? This is why

994
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: you leave the charge on this pall? What exactly are

995
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: we looking at? You have to wait for the fog

996
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: to clear a little bit so we get some visibility.

997
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: It's like, I'll give you my last story. And this

998
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: is one of the other reasons I hate fog. My

999
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: first job Medford, Oregon. If you ever lived in the

1000
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: Rogue Valley. There's tons of fog. I don't know why.

1001
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: In December, it is unbelievable. You can't see beyond the

1002
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: end of your front bumper. See that's cool. Okay, it's

1003
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: not cool when the following happens. I do the eleven

1004
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: o'clock news and I'm on the road at eleven thirty

1005
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: and you can't even see the exit signs. Oh, that's

1006
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: a problem. So now, okay, I'm used to driving this

1007
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: stretch of freeway at sixty five miles an hour, and

1008
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: I know it's going to take me fifteen minutes to

1009
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: get from work to my exit to get home. But

1010
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: how long does it take me when I'm doing seventeen

1011
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: miles an hour? And where's the exit sign? And am

1012
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: I anywhere a close? Wait a minute, when did I leave?

1013
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: And how many miles per hour am I doing? And

1014
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like a ninth grade math equation.

1015
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: If I'm doing so many miles per hour for so

1016
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: many minutes, how am I far have I gone? And

1017
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: I should have looked at the odometer before I pulled

1018
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: out of the station parking lot. And it took me

1019
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: that night like an hour. And after get home when

1020
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: it was a twenty minute ride because I had completely

1021
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: missed everything. Because you can't see. That's a problem. I

1022
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: will say sometimes like my first full time job was

1023
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: in Flagstaff and we moved there in the summer and

1024
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: we found this cool apartment my my now wife and I.

1025
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: But it was at the top of this giant hill,

1026
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: which in the summer. Who cares. But then when you're

1027
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: driving home after a night shift with the paper on

1028
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: a Saturday night and it's one in the morning and

1029
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: it's snowy and icy, and you get to your hill

1030
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: to go home, and there's like four cars at the

1031
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: bottom because they haven't been able to get up, and

1032
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: you're thinking, how am I going to get up? And

1033
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: then you come you because I've got I'm working a

1034
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: manual stick shift. I try and hit hard because you

1035
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: also have to turn hard so you have enough speed.

1036
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: And I got it up just enoff, and then I

1037
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: couldn't get to the one level because it would go

1038
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: up a little bit of level and then you had

1039
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: to go up again, and I started sliding back and

1040
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: look at my ware of view and there's somebody who

1041
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: is about to come on, and I'm like, oh God,

1042
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: get out of the way, Get out of the way,

1043
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: Get out of the way. Fortunately they did and I

1044
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: didn't hit anybody, but it was horrible. I mean, that's

1045
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: not fog. I can understand the fog, but FOG's way

1046
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: better than snow and ice. It's the old rule right

1047
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: in the ice and snow. Easy on the brake, easy

1048
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: on the gas, except when you're going uphill or downhill.

1049
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: Because the second station I worked out in Kalamazoo is

1050
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hill, and he used to

1051
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: take me, I'm dead serious, four or five times around

1052
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: the block because you would skid past the driveway to

1053
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: get into the station. You start to hit the brakes

1054
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: in your car would skid and you couldn't even turn.

1055
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: And I'd walk in. And my nickname was California. They

1056
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: call me California. How could you live in California? Because

1057
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 1: the earthquakes earthquakes, earthquakes are nearly the danger that driving

1058
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: around in this stupid black ices all the time. That's

1059
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: why I love living in Arizona. Because you don't have earthquakes,

1060
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Speaker 1: you don't have tornadoes, you don't have hurricanes, you don't

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Speaker 1: have whatever you have heat, you don't have to scrape

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Speaker 1: heat off your windshield. No, leave it there. Well, I

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Speaker 1: actually do have one quick question. As the TV's behind

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Speaker 1: you right now showing Jimmy Gee's season ending foot injury.

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Speaker 1: I just yes or no? Quick question. When the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: played the forty nine Ers at the end of the season,

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Speaker 1: is Baker Mayfield going to be their quarterback? No, it'll

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Speaker 1: be Brock Purty, local boy. Let's just say. I will

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Speaker 1: share this little tidbit. This is the bonus info and

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Speaker 1: content for Craige Craig Greeluke content. I asked a couple

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Speaker 1: of different personnel people about whether you think Baker Mayfield's

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Speaker 1: gonna end up in the division, and they were very

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Speaker 1: dubious on that, based on his film that he's put

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Speaker 1: out there this year. Yes, I had somebody in the

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Speaker 1: league that is watched all of his snaps this year

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Speaker 1: and they said, I tweeted out after it was officially

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Speaker 1: announced that now will he go to the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: And somebody texted me and said, why would they want

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Speaker 1: somebody who stinks so much at football? Yeah, apparently that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's extremely real. And then of course he brings

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Speaker 1: all the baggage and the high maintenance and everything else,

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Speaker 1: and the distractions bring the fun commercials. Sure, sure, exactly,

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Speaker 1: it's fun when he's on someone else's roster. I like

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Speaker 1: him when Paul's microcloins on. So once again, it's it's

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Speaker 1: like the Seinfeld episode where George tries to recreate the deal.

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Speaker 1: So he's gonna have the zinger when he comes back, right,

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Speaker 1: if only we could recreate that. Maybe down the stretcher

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals Underground, I can jump in with Isaiah because

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Speaker 1: obviously I missed him, like a stands, I missed my chance.

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Speaker 1: The jerk store, the store. That's it, I missed it.

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Speaker 1: That'll do it for this edition of Cardinals Underground