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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. It is July third, and

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Speaker 2: we have a stack knight of headlines. If you've been

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Speaker 2: following closely, The Diddy verdicts have made us all crazy.

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Speaker 2: As we know, he is not going home on bail

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Speaker 2: anytime soon, and we have much to still unpack on

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Speaker 2: that front. Also the Suzanne Morphy case, she has more

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Speaker 2: her husband may have killed her. So new developments on

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Speaker 2: that case as well. Also the manhunt for Travis Decker,

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Speaker 2: the man accused of murdering his own three daughters. We

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Speaker 2: also have some new information on that. But first the

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Speaker 2: Brian Coberger jaw dropping developments. As you all all have

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Speaker 2: been following, as have we, he has confessed. He has

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Speaker 2: murders and the Idaho College murders and listen, it has

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Speaker 2: It's left us all a little nauseous to be honest

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Speaker 2: and now we have with us, thankfully, we have Anjeanette

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Speaker 2: Levy who's joining us from Law Crime tonight. She's been

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Speaker 2: there in the courtroom real time. She's also kt Royalty

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Speaker 2: in our Hearts. She appears in all of our podcasts,

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Speaker 2: all of our documentaries, including the one that just dropped

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Speaker 2: on Peacock. We hope you'll check it out, the Idaho

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Speaker 2: to how we got here in this you really heart

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Speaker 2: wrenching case. So Angeinette, welcome, and I'm Stephanie Leidecker. I'm

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Speaker 2: here of course with body Movin and Courtney Armstrong. And

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Speaker 2: So the courtroom, Coburger in person, the families all there

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Speaker 2: on all sides. Enginette We've all been following your coverage.

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Speaker 2: You were literally holding court for twenty four hours straight,

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Speaker 2: seemingly also on your YouTube channel. Extraordinary work. You must

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Speaker 2: be exhausted. Welcome back. I know you just landed and

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Speaker 2: we're so happy you're here.

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Speaker 3: Welcome well, thanks for having me, and congratulations on this

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Speaker 3: awesome show. I think it's amazing and you guys are

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Speaker 3: like number one on podcasts, so congratulations. Yeah, it's been

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I can't say I'm totally shocked, but I am shocked

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Speaker 3: right because it seemed like Brian Coberger was just he

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Speaker 3: all kind of like, how are they not talking plea?

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Speaker 3: How are they not talking flee? You know, and you know,

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Speaker 3: Maybe he just sat in jail long enough and looked

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Speaker 3: at four other people. The judge says, it's all speculation.

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Speaker 3: Who knows what happened, but it's certainly been a whirlwind.

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Speaker 3: And being in that courtroom and watching him walk in,

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Speaker 3: And I have to tell you, Stephanie, that when Bill

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Speaker 3: It was just but he literally it was like his

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Speaker 2: No, because it was kind of far away. Our footage,

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Speaker 3: Correct? His sisters were not there, and I looked over

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Speaker 4: I'm here with Body Moven and Stephanie Leidecker, and we

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Speaker 4: Did you notice any kind of interaction with Brian Kolberger's family?

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Speaker 5: Called that he called his Well, it's a phone connected

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do too, and it's something that we're definitely

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Speaker 5: murders and if you want to weigh in with your thoughts,

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Speaker 5: or use the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. What do

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Speaker 3: I find it to be stunning and I personally in

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Speaker 3: That's the bedroom he went to. I think this was

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Speaker 3: I mean, was it an alibi call? Some of my mom?

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Speaker 3: What do you mean? I killed a bunch of people?

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Speaker 4: Wow, it seems when you were just laying out what

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Speaker 3: So I feel like he didn't have evidence. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: send them a letter on a Sunday, right sit down

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Speaker 3: with them in person. I would think this would be

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Speaker 3: something you would guys would talk about in person during

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Speaker 3: an in person meeting, for that would be a longer meeting.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's all frankly spending.

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Speaker 5: I agree, and you know, thank you so much for

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Speaker 5: joining us. Please be sure to follow Enginette on YouTube

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Speaker 5: at Enginette five. Also be sure to check out and

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Speaker 5: download her podcast, Crime Fix with Anjeanette Levy, found on

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Speaker 5: every podcast platform and YouTube, and coming up next more

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Speaker 5: on making of the KT studios new documentary The Idaho

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Speaker 5: Student Murderers found on Peacock Stick. Right here through Crime.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time, and we have a

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Speaker 2: very special KT guest, Anjeanette Levy, who is an incredible

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Speaker 2: journalist from law and crime. She's also in all of

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Speaker 2: our podcasts and all of our documentaries, including the Peacock

447
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Speaker 2: documentary about the Idaho student murders called the Idaho College Murders,

448
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Speaker 2: which just came out today, And A Jeannette has been

449
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Speaker 2: in the courtroom, so she just returned. As anyone knows

450
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Speaker 2: who's been following this case closely, Brian Coberger, who once

451
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Speaker 2: said he was not guilty in these murders of four

452
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Speaker 2: incredible college students, has now changed his plea to guilty

453
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Speaker 2: and next steps will be sentencing. And according to him,

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Speaker 2: yeah he did it. He did it all four cases.

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Speaker 2: So Anjeanette has been filling us in about what it

456
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Speaker 2: was just like in this courtroom. And you know, it

457
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Speaker 2: was pretty harrowing in that it's been a long time

458
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Speaker 2: even for me to have seen stakes that high in

459
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Speaker 2: any scenario, and in any case when somebody confesses to

460
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Speaker 2: taking the life of another, it's pretty like your breath

461
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Speaker 2: kind of leaves your body right now. Times that by

462
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Speaker 2: four and he was just so nonchalant about it, and

463
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Speaker 2: you know, has such a good liar to be able

464
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Speaker 2: to pull this off with his parents sitting right behind

465
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Speaker 2: him as he says, yes, I did it. On the

466
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Speaker 2: flip of that, we're all kind of annoyed that he

467
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Speaker 2: wasn't forced to give maybe some more information. And you know,

468
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Speaker 2: we were just talking about the fact that maybe at

469
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Speaker 2: his sentencing he'll have to say something more specific other

470
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Speaker 2: than yes, you know, where's the knife? What was the plan,

471
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Speaker 2: what was the intention? Why that night specifically? What person specific?

472
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Speaker 2: What can we learn from this in hindsight, because it's

473
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Speaker 2: people like this that make the rest of us all

474
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Speaker 2: feel so unsafe. Yeah, and you know, what's your take

475
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Speaker 2: on that?

476
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Speaker 3: I agree with you one hundred percent. And I think

477
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Speaker 3: that I think that if he explained why he did

478
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Speaker 3: this when he started feeling the urge to do this.

479
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Speaker 3: Was this a fascination with Ted Bundy, you know, after

480
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Speaker 3: seeing the dateline stuff, And I think that people had

481
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Speaker 3: kind of wondered about that before. I certainly had, just

482
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Speaker 3: because of the parallels with Ted Bundy being in Washington

483
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Speaker 3: State during his college years and you know, the sorority

484
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Speaker 3: girl aspect of this, like we might be able to

485
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Speaker 3: learn something from this, like, when did you start thinking

486
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Speaker 3: about this? And when did you start, you know, the

487
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Speaker 3: porn searches. What's up with that, Brian, When did you

488
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Speaker 3: start thinking about that?

489
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Speaker 5: And was it in March when you bought a knife

490
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Speaker 5: or was it, you know, just a convenience that you

491
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Speaker 5: had already purchased this knife, Like was it all the

492
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Speaker 5: way back in March? Was it before that? Have you

493
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 5: done this to animals before? Did you start fires? Did

494
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 5: you stutter as you know, like all those things, all

495
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Speaker 5: those you know predicates for being this.

496
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Speaker 3: Kind of And did you move Did you move to

497
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Speaker 3: Washington on purpose? On purpose?

498
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Speaker 2: It's like the farthest you.

499
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Speaker 5: Can get from Pennsylvania, the farthest he can get.

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Speaker 2: We got to stop even right there. And I think

501
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: that is one of the big ticket items that we

502
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: can finally talk about a little bit more freely now

503
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: that he has confessed. We've all debated this so much.

504
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Speaker 2: Did he go to get his PhD from Pennsylvania moved

505
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Speaker 2: to Washington and did that specifically because he already had

506
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Speaker 2: killing on the mind. Did he have a certain person

507
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: on the mind. Is one of these victims a reminder

508
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: to somebody else in his backstory? Like it just seems

509
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: so random and again so big, and he was studying

510
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Speaker 2: the crimes he's now being, you know, frankly that he's

511
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Speaker 2: now admitted to. You know, he was also pretty sloppy

512
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 2: in so many ways as well. So I agree with you.

513
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Speaker 2: I think we all do. The spontaneity of it. Maybe

514
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: it just kind of went sideways, even for him. I

515
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Speaker 2: just think we should have gotten more information yesterday. I agree.

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Speaker 4: Can we hold that thought for one second because we

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Speaker 4: have a call from Cynthia from Canada and you have

518
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Speaker 4: been our favorite question asker. How are you, Cynthia?

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Speaker 6: I'm good yourself?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 4: Great?

522
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Speaker 2: What's your question?

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Speaker 6: I'm probably a little bit behind, not behind, I'm a

524
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Speaker 6: day behind on hearing the shows because you don't get

525
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Speaker 6: it live here in Canada. But my question was in

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Speaker 6: regards to the Idaho masker and whether or not the

527
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Speaker 6: victim's families when they're doing their victims impact statements, if

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Speaker 6: they spoke first and then the defendant spoke, or if

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Speaker 6: the defendant spoke first and then the victim impact statement,

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Speaker 6: because I think if the defendant went after them, he

531
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Speaker 6: is getting the last word. So like you know, he

532
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Speaker 6: put the last word in when he you know, murdered them,

533
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Speaker 6: and then if he spoke last at the sentencing or

534
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Speaker 6: the conference in the court room, he's getting the last

535
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Speaker 6: word again. So I'm just curious as to how that

536
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Speaker 6: worked there, if that's happened yet again, because I'm I'm

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Speaker 6: a day behind them.

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Speaker 4: You are, actually you are not a day behind because

539
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Speaker 4: that actually what you're talking about has not yet happened.

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Speaker 5: Oh go ahead, body, So you typically what would happen

541
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Speaker 5: is is you're right, the unfortunately right, The family or

542
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Speaker 5: the prosecution would speak first, and then there would be

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Speaker 5: the victim impact statements, and then the defendant, if he

544
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Speaker 5: chooses to, can allocute or you know, address the court.

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Speaker 5: But we don't know if he's going to do that.

546
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 5: It's not it's not it's not something that he's forced

547
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 5: to do. It's completely his opinion or his option to

548
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 5: do or not. So we don't know if that's going

549
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Speaker 5: to happen. But yes, of the defendant would have the

550
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Speaker 5: last word. That's my understanding. Somebody, if there's a lawyer

551
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 5: out there, maybe we'd get Jarrett and ask him. But

552
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Speaker 5: my understanding is that that's what happens the situation.

553
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Speaker 2: I think what Cynthia is also responding to. Is something

554
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Speaker 2: we're all a little kind of worked up about. Is

555
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Speaker 2: just the idea that it appears that Brian Coberger is

556
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Speaker 2: calling the shots right now. Oh for the victims' families

557
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: who's lost their loved ones, suddenly they're getting this information

558
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Speaker 2: that you know, they're not going to a trial, even

559
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: though they've probably had to move mountains and leave their

560
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: jobs and figure out how they're going to spend all

561
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Speaker 2: of August going to some death sentenced trial in Boise

562
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Speaker 2: For a guy who's been lying this whole time anyway,

563
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Speaker 2: and for him to just stand there and not have

564
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Speaker 2: to a give any feedback or to get the last word,

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Speaker 2: I think that's a really great point as always, Cynthia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for the call. This is

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Speaker 4: True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney Armstrong here with

568
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Speaker 4: Body Move and Stephanie Leidecker and journalist A Jeannette Levy.

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Speaker 4: I have a question for you and Jeanette. So I

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Speaker 4: remember so clearly speaking to you back in November, I

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Speaker 4: mean days after this had happened, November twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 4: and you were in Moscow and you described just what

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Speaker 4: it felt like, what it felt like to be there

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Speaker 4: by the house on King's Road, and you described how

575
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Speaker 4: you know, it was such a college house with sort

576
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Speaker 4: of the couch still outside because they had been parties.

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Speaker 4: Can you explain what what is the difference if any

578
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Speaker 4: of the town or that you felt when you were there.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I was there the first time, it

580
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: was well, first of all, it was freezing cold. It

581
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Speaker 3: had started to snow. There was a lot of snow

582
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Speaker 3: on the ground, and it was scary. Honestly, it was scary.

583
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Speaker 3: A lot of the kids they were finishing up the

584
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Speaker 3: semester and they had gone home city said they could

585
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Speaker 3: finish their classes remotely. Their parents didn't want them there

586
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: and a lot of the kids weren't even going to class.

587
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: They were doing their classes, you know. I went to

588
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Speaker 3: the Sigma Kay House where Ethan was a fraternity member.

589
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: A lot of those fraternity members were doing their classes

590
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Speaker 3: from the Sigma Kai house. I think like that. I

591
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: saw the president of the fraternity at that time walking

592
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Speaker 3: to class. But it was scary. I mean, life was

593
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: still going on in Moscow, but a lot of people,

594
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: you know, were in fear because we nobody knew at

595
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Speaker 3: that time who it was or what.

596
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Speaker 5: It could be standing next year at the coffee shop.

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Speaker 4: Correct, you know, I don't.

598
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Speaker 3: Know, yeah right, it could be anybody. And I remember specifically,

599
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Speaker 3: I was with a photographer, Christian Denik. We were out

600
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Speaker 3: there together and we had this big jeep wagoneer that

601
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Speaker 3: we rented, and we were on campus out there at

602
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Speaker 3: that time of year. It gets dark at four thirty

603
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Speaker 3: in the afternoon, and it was seven o'clock at night,

604
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Speaker 3: and we were trudging around on campus trying to get

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Speaker 3: people to talk with us. I mean, nobody wanted to

606
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Speaker 3: talk to us. Nobody. I mean it was like radio silence,

607
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: you know. And we did get a couple of people

608
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Speaker 3: to talk with us, and then you know, of course,

609
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: and then it was and I don't scaryily, you know,

610
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Speaker 3: I've covered news for a long time. I'm used to

611
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: trudging around get trying to get people to talk to me,

612
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: and you know, bad neighborhoods quote unquote bad neighborhoods and

613
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: all types of stuff. And I looked at Christian at

614
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: one point it was about seven o'clock at night, and

615
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: I said to him, you know what, I think we

616
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: need to go back to the hotel, Like why are

617
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: we doing. Why are we out here? Nobody's talking to us,

618
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: and we could be any of these people we just

619
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: didn't tried to interview could be the killer. So we

620
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: have no clue because the person who did this has

621
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Speaker 3: no conscience. It's like, you can't do this. And then

622
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: like all of a sudden, you're like, oh, I feel

623
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: really bad about this. I mean, I guess you could,

624
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: but in my mind, to carry out such a heinous crime,

625
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: you would have to have a level of some major

626
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 3: compartmentalization skills and the ability to just do something so horrific,

627
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: no impulse control. I'm like, God only knows who this

628
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: person is. So and I remember going to a business

629
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Speaker 3: specifically and asking them to, like if they would speak

630
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Speaker 3: with me, and the guy was like, you know, basically

631
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: like we're over it with you. Media people who have

632
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: come into our town have no idea the damage you

633
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: were doing to our town. And he said, this town

634
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: does not have the patience for what it's going to

635
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 3: take to solve this crime, and he thought it would

636
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 3: never be solved, and you know, but he was furious.

637
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: He said, you're probably the three hundredth person journalist who's

638
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: come in here. Media person newsperson who's come in here

639
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: to try to talk to me, and he's like, I

640
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: have no interest in talking to you. I want all

641
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: of you people to leave our town. Like I mean,

642
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 3: it was just yeah, it was a mess. It was

643
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: It felt so raw and like walking into this beautiful

644
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: little college town that was I don't know, it's like

645
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: the scene of this like major It was almost like

646
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Speaker 3: a disaster. And then you had just like other people

647
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: who were just walking around as it's like, oh yeah,

648
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: no big deal. Like I I met some DoorDash driver,

649
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 3: not the door dash driver now, but I remember meeting

650
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: a DoorDash driver showing up at Queen Road and he

651
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: was like packing heat, he had a gun on him.

652
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 3: I was like okay. I was like you know what,

653
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: like I'll just go back to the hotel. It's getting dark.

654
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Thank you for painting such a picture

655
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 4: of the town and what it was like inside the

656
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 4: courtroom with Brian Coberger changing his plea and everyone should

657
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: be following an Jeanette Levy on YouTube at Anjeanette five

658
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 4: and also downloading her podcast Crime Fix with Ange at

659
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 4: Levy Listen.

660
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: This Brian Coburger case has made us all lose our minds.

661
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: He has changed his plea to guilty in all four

662
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: counts in the Idaho student murders. We just dropped a

663
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: documentary at KAT Studios on Peacock about this case, and honestly,

664
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: we're all a little close to it right now. So

665
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: it's been an emotional week even just kind of being

666
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: in the beehive on this one. So we really hope

667
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: you check. It's the name of Peacock, the Idaho student murders,

668
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: and you know, we hope you enjoy it. I know

669
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: the topic is not really a happy one, but I

670
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: think it's important that we talk about this stuff because again,

671
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: it's such a big thing that, you know, we guys

672
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: got to do our best to understand it. And then

673
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: also Diddy will be unpacking the new developments and that

674
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: as well. He is not guilty of Rico, but he

675
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: also didn't make bail, so we have some new developments

676
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: on that front too. We have a talk back. Can

677
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: we throw to that real quick?

678
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 7: Hi, Heathery're from Wisconsin. Just curious if you feel that

679
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 7: the prosecutor and the Brian Kohlberger case being a little

680
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 7: inexperience in trying a case of this magnitude that it

681
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 7: is possible that the plea deal was the best option

682
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 7: as the defense may have been able to poke holes

683
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 7: in the case causing him to be acquitted due to

684
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 7: just not having the experience.

685
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 4: Listen, that's agreation, yeah, and a valid question. So what

686
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: we can say is that Bill Thompson, he does have

687
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 4: quite a bit of law experience. I mean, he graduated

688
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: from law school back in nineteen eighty and he was

689
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 4: elected Lateta County prosecutor back in nineteen ninety two.

690
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: He still holds that position.

691
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 5: And this was a big, big case.

692
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: It was.

693
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 5: But just but is any prosecutor prepared for something like this,

694
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 5: right right, Courtney.

695
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: Like no, of this size and magnitude. It's a one

696
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 4: in a career. But of the people, I will say

697
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 4: Bill Thompson. He also he does oversee hundreds of cases

698
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 4: per year. He tried the only homicide case in Idaho

699
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 4: without a body, oh Dan he did. That was back

700
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen. Yeah, and he did successfully seek the

701
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: death penalty. This was back in two thousand and five,

702
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 4: and there was complications at the end, but he was

703
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: successful in that and then death sentence was imposed. But

704
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: then it was later converted to life in prison. So listen,

705
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 4: I'm not hired to do pr for Bill Thompson, but

706
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 4: I did just want to lay out that.

707
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 5: You did a pretty good job, you.

708
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 4: Know, as much experience. To body's point, how do you

709
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: ever prepare for this?

710
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 5: But does you know the weight of this kind of

711
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 5: case way heavy on the prosecutor's office. Right, that's a

712
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 5: lot of pressure on any kind of prosecutor, I would imagine,

713
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 5: I mean, I would imagine no matter how many decades

714
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 5: of experience you have, this is a The eyes of

715
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 5: the nation are on this case, right. This is the

716
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 5: case that even people who don't know true crime that

717
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 5: I talk to like at work and stuff like my

718
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 5: day job, they know this case.

719
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: It is very true and one mistake because the stakes

720
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 2: are so high. It's a death sentence trial that look,

721
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: that person could straight up walk, And I guess that's

722
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: a very you know, that's a tenuous thing, and it is.

723
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: It's two separate issues, right is it that the plea

724
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: deal is unjust? Is one piece of it and then

725
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: the other side of it. I think really the emotion

726
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 2: comes from maybe Bill Thompson not holding the hands of

727
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: some of the family members enough during this very difficult thing.

728
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's not so much the decision, but

729
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: rather how that decision was handled, and again, so many

730
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: moving pieces. Who's to say. We're going to continue this

731
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: conversation though, thank you for the talk back. We want

732
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: to hear from you. Eight eight eight three to one Crime.

733
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: Keep it coming. We're talking true crime all the time,

734
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: Moron Ditty. Also new developments in the Suzanne Morphy case.

735
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: We'll be back, Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. Well,

736
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: we're talking true crime all the time. It's been a

737
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: wild week in the headlines. Courtrooms, trials, We've never had

738
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: more of them, So I feel like we're kind of

739
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: bursting with stories at this point, sadly, but I definitely

740
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: want to make sure we're hitting all of them. Obviously, Diddy,

741
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: We're going to get to that later in the show

742
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: as well. Somebody who was not on the jury but

743
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: was the alternate has spoken out now for the first time,

744
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: and it's giving us sort of an inside look on

745
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: what his interpretation of what went down with this latest development.

746
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 2: Because Ditty was found not guilty on the big charge,

747
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: which was Rico and then Brian Coberger of course has

748
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: changed his plea in the Idaho student murder. We just

749
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: dropped a documentary from KT's studios on Peacock. We hope

750
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: you'll please watch. It's important stuff. And then this Suzanne

751
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: Morphew case. This is the woman who was you know,

752
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: basically killed and her husband was suspected to be the killer,

753
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: but then he got off and now he has been

754
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: re arrested and it is not looking great. We have

755
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: some new developments on that. And also Travis Decker, the

756
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: father accused of killing his three children. The man hunt

757
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: for him continues and there's some new evidence to discuss

758
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 2: on that front too, Courtney, do you want to take

759
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: us take us to Yeah, Travis Decker, So that's right.

760
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 4: He still remains at large. And as Stephanie, as you mentioned,

761
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 4: he has been accused of killing his three young daughters,

762
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 4: all under the age of ten. Their names are Patelin, Evelyn,

763
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 4: and Olivia. And this is in Washington State and Travis

764
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 4: had picked up his three daughters on the thirtieth of May.

765
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 4: This was planned visitation. Worth noting that the mother of

766
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 4: his children, his ex wife, tried to fight this from happening,

767
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 4: but the visitation happened. And the girls have not been

768
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 4: seen alive since, nor has Travis Decker. This man hunt

769
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 4: has been in the news quite a bit and there

770
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: has been over one hundred law enforcement officers. There have

771
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 4: been US Marshals, the National Guard, canine units, drones, and

772
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 4: volunteers and they have been focusing all over the wilderness

773
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 4: where he went missing. So the big update is DNA

774
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 4: evidence has confirmed that he is connected. So he is

775
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 4: now facing three counts. Travis Decker is facing three counts

776
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 4: of first screen murder and kept kidnapping, and his DNA

777
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 4: testing results confirmed that blood on his truck did indeed

778
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 4: match Travis Decker's DNA and his truck also contained his wallet,

779
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 4: cell phone, dog, his dog, a bloody handprint or more,

780
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 4: and blood matching DNA on the tailgate. So what do

781
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: you guys make of this? Is he I know, it's

782
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: speculative unless you know, I mean, I guess very dangerous.

783
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: This guy.

784
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: You know he is you know, military trained, We know

785
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: he's emotionally very unwell. Obviously he's murdered three of his

786
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: own children. This is a dire situation. What happens, what happens?

787
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: You know, The assumption is he may be dead but

788
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: if he's.

789
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 5: Not, he's injured, right, if he's injured and bleeding enough

790
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 5: to leave bloody handprints, because right, the manner in which

791
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 5: he murdered his children allegedly was not like a gun

792
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 5: or a knife or anything. So I'm curious on how

793
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 5: he injured himself. But I can't imagine you would have

794
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 5: gotten far if he's bloody enough to leave bloody handprints everywhere.

795
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so curious and very curious.

796
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 4: And all of you know, all of those members of

797
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 4: law enforcement that I mentioned, I mean, they're just working

798
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 4: around the clock, and yeah, I don't know. I just

799
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 4: sent peace and good wishes to them and hoped that

800
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 4: this nightmare honestly, and soon.

801
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 5: Hopefully we get a good update, you know, soon on this.

802
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, can I ask a you know, sort of a

803
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: layman's question. So you know, we've heard now from the

804
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: mother in this you know, tragedy beyond words. She spoke

805
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: at her children's memorial man as she composed and has grace,

806
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: and you know, this is one of those tragic stories

807
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: where she did absolutely everything correctly in what was you know,

808
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: a pretty high conflict breakup. You know, they were co parenting.

809
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: Dad didn't have a permanent address. She had, you know,

810
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: been very accommodating to the schedule, and you know, anybody

811
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: whose co parent didn't knows that can be really challenging

812
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: at times. And you know, he served in the military

813
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: and was suffering some post traumatic strikes, yes we know

814
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: that for sure, and allegedly due to combat. Served and

815
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 2: was having a hard time keeping up with his medications

816
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: and his mental health. And she flagged that, she flagged that,

817
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: she flagged that, she flagged that, and on the flip,

818
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: of course, she does not want her children's father to

819
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: see her kids. He had begged for this overnight that

820
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: she wasn't feeling great about. It's like, what do you

821
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: take from that situation. It's like, you know, it's such

822
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: a tough spot and I'm sure she's going to turn

823
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: now to advocacy or something, but really, I mean, if

824
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: she's not the image of strength and honor and you

825
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: know what a woman who deserves or you to Courtney,

826
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: just to echo what you're saying, all of our love

827
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: and support.

828
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, like we're sending her a lot of a

829
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 5: lot of support. In other news, I have an update

830
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 5: on Barry Morphew Bury me Morphew has been indicted by

831
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 5: grand jury in Colorado and he has been extradited from

832
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 5: Arizona to Colorado. Thank god, Morphew, Thank goodness.

833
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: Right.

834
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 5: Morphew is accused of killing his wife, Susanne in May

835
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty. He was arrested like a year almost

836
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 5: to the day later in twenty twenty one, only to

837
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 5: be released without prejudice. And then they found her body

838
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 5: like right after he was released. So and he was

839
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 5: released without prejudice, which means it's not over. They can

840
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 5: arrest him again. They can now. If he was released

841
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 5: with prejudice, they wouldn't be able to arrest him again.

842
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 5: But he was released without prejudice because they didn't try him.

843
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 5: He wasn't tried, he didn't stand trial. They just we're

844
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: going to get into this case a lot deeper moved

845
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 5: as we are. But there's a lot that happened with

846
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 5: the prosecution. There's a little bit of hanky panky going

847
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 5: on there, so we're going to get into that. But

848
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 5: the good news is is that he was arrested and

849
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 5: he appeared in his first court hearing in court and

850
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 5: his daughters, who have long stood by his side, saying that,

851
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 5: you know, they support him. They don't think he had

852
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 5: anything to do with this. They you know, they definitely

853
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 5: don't think they he killed their mother. Were in the

854
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 5: court room had his hearing.

855
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: So to what is no, the daughters are still supporting

856
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 4: their father. Is that correct?

857
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know for sure. They just were in

858
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 5: the courtroom and he smiled at them when entering the courtroom.

859
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 5: So there's no Listen, you can read into a lot

860
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 5: of different things with body language and whatnot, but we

861
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 5: don't know. According to the a copy of the grand

862
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 5: jury indictment, which of course we have, many of Suzanne

863
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 5: Morphew's bones were significantly bleached when they were found in

864
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four where she was found in what that

865
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 5: We don't know one hundred percent what that means because

866
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 5: there's no context. But you know, we talked to Josephcott Morgan,

867
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 5: our friend, the forensics especially you know scientists, the professor,

868
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 5: the expert, and offhand he thinks it means that her

869
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 5: the son bleached. You know that it can that's the

870
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 5: technical term used when you're you know, their bones are

871
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 5: exposed to the elements. So we don't one hundred percent

872
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 5: know what that means, but we're hoping that we will

873
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 5: find out soon. So we're going to be following this

874
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 5: case and we're going to be digging deep into it

875
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 5: very soon, so stand by for that. This is true

876
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 5: Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I am body move in and

877
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 5: I'm here with the lovely Courtney Armstrong and talented Stephanie Leidecker,

878
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 5: and we are talking all the new headlines and all

879
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 5: the cases that we're following. If you want to weigh in,

880
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 5: give us a call at eight eight eight thirty one

881
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 5: Crime or send us a talk back and we'll try

882
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 5: to get to it at the break. Now, if maybe

883
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 5: there's a case you want us to follow, maybe there's

884
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 5: a tip you want to give us a bout a case,

885
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 5: just give us a call and we'll get into it.

886
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: We have some space coming up now that all these

887
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 2: trials are coming to such I know we do, and

888
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: to be honest, this more few case has got me

889
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: unhinged as well. So I'm so glad we're digging into

890
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: this one.

891
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I am too. And this is a case I've

892
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 5: been following for gosh, I think since I think when

893
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 5: he got arrested in twenty twenty one. Is when it

894
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 5: got on my radar and I started timelining everything in front,

895
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 5: you know, my stupid spreadsheets that I have, And so

896
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 5: I'm really super into this case.

897
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: I wait, yeah, I cannot wait to dig into your

898
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 4: five years of knowledge.

899
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: And you know I love I read your spreadsheets a

900
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 2: line by lines.

901
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 5: So I can't wait to learn, you know, And I

902
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 5: just you know, I just felt so bad for these

903
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 5: You know, his daughters are just lovely, and of course

904
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 5: they don't want to believe that their wonderful father, loving

905
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 5: and doting they've been. You know, he was married to

906
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 5: his wife, their mother for twenty something years and raised them.

907
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: They were nineteen and I think seventeen when he was arrested,

908
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 5: so they're older now. But I'm very curious with all

909
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 5: the evidence that's been released in this case. Through the indictment.

910
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 5: We learned that her bones, her bone marrow contained this

911
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 5: chemical called BAM and it stands for something very technical

912
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 5: and that I cannot pronounce and I.

913
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 2: Will not try.

914
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 5: But it's a tranquilizer that's used on like deer farms,

915
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 5: and he lived on a deer farm in I think

916
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 5: it was in Indiana or Illinois. Always mix those two

917
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 5: states up. Please forgive me Indiana, Illinois, I'm so sorry.

918
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 5: In one of those states, in the Eye States, and

919
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 5: in Colorado where this happened, he was the only one

920
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 5: with a life or prescription for this compound. So the

921
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 5: evidence is pretty staggering. So I'm wondering how they feel now.

922
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 5: And it is Indiana, thank you.

923
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: And look, I mean a lot's been made of the

924
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: fact that she had she had met somebody she had

925
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: a boyfriend, and that she wanted to covet it information

926
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: and apparently he confronted her bury this husband's and maybe

927
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: that's the motive. I don't find that very satisfying either,

928
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: because again, imagine this guy, if he actually did what

929
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: he's being accused of, kills his wife, makes it look

930
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: like she fell off her bike on Mother's Day, moves

931
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: her body, gets arrested or brought in for custody, not arrested,

932
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: but gets you know, he was brought in right and questioned,

933
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: then released, and then suddenly her body shows up. So

934
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 2: he's like dressing his deceased wife's body allegedly and then

935
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: replacing it. I mean, this is pretty hardcore, right for

936
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: his four daughters, who, of course they don't want to

937
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 2: believe this. You know, again, we're not accusing him of murder.

938
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: We're just laying out as it's being reported. In many places,

939
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: the evidence begins to stack against him, specifically what you're

940
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: saying about this drug and.

941
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 5: Right, the location where her body was found showed no

942
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 5: evidence of her actually passing there, and her initial burial

943
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 5: was not there. There were no bugcasings there were you know,

944
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 5: her hair masks had been gone, which we kind of

945
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 5: think maybe if she was out in the open and

946
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 5: the sun bleached her her bones, the maybe birds used

947
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 5: her hair for nesting, which would happen. You know, they

948
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 5: use fur from animals for nesting nature, and you know

949
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 5: it's nature and so, and her clothes that she was

950
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 5: wearing showed no signs of decom which means, I mean,

951
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 5: it can only mean one thing. Right, he dressed her,

952
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 5: he dressed her. She is after she whoever whoever killed

953
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 5: her or moved her body, he or she dressed her

954
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 5: and moved her body, which is horrifying.

955
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 4: I have one more question and body. I know we

956
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 4: will be following this in detail over the next weeks

957
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 4: to come, but what was when you said the Shenanigans

958
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 4: with lawyers was someone actually disbarred?

959
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: You said, hanky panky. I know it's funny, Courtney Armstrong,

960
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: you're going to stay. I thought that too, and we

961
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: were going to the break, so I didn't want to

962
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: I dodn't want to mess that up. But I'm curious

963
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: on that one too. Okay, well listen, stay tuned for

964
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: that because it's not listen and please join this conversation.

965
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: Eight eight eight to three to one crime. I know

966
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: we've been blowing through a lot of cases with a

967
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: lot of information. Again, we are not the experts in

968
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: every single thing. You know, we really want to hear

969
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: from you. You're our expert also, so your opinion really counts,

970
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: and you know, please join the discussion.

971
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 5: Yes, please please join the discussion.

972
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: Did he add it again? Did he know one of

973
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: the alternate jurors has stepped in and has something to

974
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: say about his experience in the beehive in this you know,

975
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: ongoing trial that never seems to end, Courtney, do you

976
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: want to fill us in on that?

977
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, the trial is I mean, aside from sentencing,

978
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 4: the trial is closed done. So yep? Did he was

979
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 4: charged on five counts. He was found guilty of two

980
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 4: of the smallest charges, the largest being racketeering, which he

981
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 4: was not charged.

982
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 5: Literally the smallest charges right, literally like in a ladder

983
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 5: of charges, these would be the two bottom rungs of

984
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 5: exactly at least monumental of all the charges.

985
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 4: Yep. And as Stephanie was referencing, an alternate juror on

986
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 4: the case has come out. His name is George. We

987
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 4: don't know his last name, and that should remain that

988
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 4: way as long as he prefers. He came out with

989
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 4: his thoughts on the verdict. And keep in mind, if

990
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 4: you are an alternate juror, then you are not in

991
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 4: the deliberations. Although in this case, what were the deliberations

992
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 4: were that one day where at the end of it

993
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 4: they said they were at complete crossroads, couldn't decide. And

994
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 4: then day two it was something like two hours or something.

995
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: And it was a total of an day and a

996
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: half probably all in. It doesn't sound like this jerm

997
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: missed too much.

998
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 4: Too much exactly, so what George does say and he

999
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 4: has used three hundred and fifty pages of his quote

1000
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 4: copious notes.

1001
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, he was able to take his notes.

1002
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 4: Or he had his notes. He referenced that he had them,

1003
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 4: So whether he has to leave them there, I don't know,

1004
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 4: but I what he has spoken about was that he

1005
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 4: had all of these many, many pages, and he said

1006
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 4: that he agrees with the verdict that was you know,

1007
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 4: that just happened what two days ago, it feels like

1008
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 4: five years ago, and he doesn't think that he should

1009
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 4: have been found guilty of the most serious charges levied

1010
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 4: against him. What he did say was it was you know,

1011
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 4: riveting and eye opening the trial, that the notes during

1012
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 4: the trial, the prosecution he did not feel was able

1013
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: to prove the rico or the prostitution charges beyond a

1014
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 4: reasonable doubt. And what he also said was at the

1015
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 4: activity in the videos that we and everyone else have

1016
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 4: spoken so much about to him didn't seem forced and

1017
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 4: was even quote pretty tame and allegedly mostly showed baby

1018
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 4: oil being rubbed on those involved in the sex act,

1019
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 4: which I find that very surprising.

1020
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: That the freak off tapes were not freaky enough. I suppose,

1021
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny you should bring that up. I mean,

1022
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: because there's such a divided there's so much division right

1023
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 2: now about this. You know, we're seeing people outside the courthouse.

1024
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 2: They were cheering, they were themselves like tossing around baby

1025
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: oil and reveling in this in this decision, and it

1026
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: seems to be pretty divided. And I mean, god, I've

1027
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: seen so many hideous things said by you know women.

1028
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 2: Frankly again, some of the victims who came out and

1029
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: spoke basically just saying that like, look, you took the money,

1030
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, you get what you what you kind of got,

1031
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: you know, like you signed up for this, and in

1032
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: the minute somebody starts paying your rent, you're kind of

1033
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: giving away your freedom. And I gotta tell you that

1034
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: to me kind of strikes a chord in such a

1035
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: deep way. A I don't agree, but bigger it doesn't

1036
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: matter if I agree with it. I do think it's

1037
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: worth us really unpacking and discussing because there does seem

1038
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 2: to be this real pull between both sides of did

1039
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: the victims come forward for no good reason? We know

1040
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: for a fact that there was violence, abuse, there were guns.

1041
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: This was not a sweet little love story where somebody

1042
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: could very easily just walk away. And it really makes

1043
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: me nervous when we discount that too quickly by just saying, oh,

1044
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: they had to come in because he was paying her

1045
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: rent for some weird love contract. You know, we also

1046
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: heard from jury number two, I mean a victim number two,

1047
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: Jane infamously her a pseudonym was Jane Doe. That was

1048
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: one Diddy's exes, and she loved him very much, and

1049
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 2: they played a voicemail of him basically saying to her

1050
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: that they have this love contract where she would essentially

1051
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: work a little bit less in her influencer job she

1052
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: was a single mom, and also be available to him

1053
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: twenty four hours a day for said freak offs or

1054
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: hotel nights in exchange for her rent to be paid.

1055
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: And it kind of brings up all these issues around

1056
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: consent and judgment and I just want to have a

1057
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: non judgment free zone here, So anyone please join the conversation,

1058
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: because I do think, in hindsight, looking back at other

1059
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: people's stuff, rather than just judging it, let's discuss it

1060
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: so that we can kind of keep each other a

1061
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: little bit safer. And it does but me out that

1062
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: the ladies are extra tough on women. We have to

1063
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: like be nicer do each other.

1064
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 5: It seems like we're just very judgmental.

1065
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 4: Mean I think that can I mean, I know that's

1066
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 4: painting women with a broad brush. I happen to agree it's,

1067
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 4: you know, large and largely be the case. But interestingly,

1068
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 4: and this speaks to what you were just talking about, Stephanie.

1069
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: What this juror said, and we.

1070
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 4: Talked about this on the show, was that the texts

1071
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 4: that were presented by the defense on cross examination, it

1072
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 4: showed that there were levels of consent with Deddy's sexual encounters,

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Speaker 4: and that is worth unpacking. But that is what is

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Speaker 4: stuck in the sturer's mind. And then also, and Stephanie,

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Speaker 4: I think you're about to fly off the handle. You

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00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 4: don't know what I'm about to say. This alternate jur

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 4: George he touched on the twenty sixteen video of Cassie

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00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 4: being beaten by Ditty in the hallway while he held

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Speaker 4: up his towel, as you've spoken about many times, but

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00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 4: he confirmed it did not make a difference when considering

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Speaker 4: the charges that were brought up because Ditty was not

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Speaker 4: charged with domestic violence.

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Speaker 5: Because he's like the biggest, right, So this is true crime.

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Speaker 5: Tonight on iHeartRadio, I am Boddy, move in and I'm

1085
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 5: here with Courtney Armstrong and Stephanie Leidecker, and we are

1086
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 5: talking all things Diddy. If you have a question in

1087
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 5: or opinion, give us a call. It eight eight eight

1088
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 5: thirty one crime. How do you feel about this verdict?

1089
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 5: Do you think that they overcharged him? Do you think

1090
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 5: that they didn't prove something? Give us a call, let

1091
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Speaker 5: us know, or use the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: I think I Yesterday we spoke with Jarrett Farantino and

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00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 5: he said he didn't think they explained the enterprise well,

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00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 5: and that's where he thinks they fell with the Rico

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00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 5: right right. If you are going to a trial and

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Speaker 5: you think somebody is getting charged with Rico, you're thinking

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00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 5: mob boss, you know those kinds of things. And when

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00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 5: they have those trials, the organization is very well laid out.

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Speaker 5: You have the dawn of the family, and you have

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Speaker 5: all the you know, underlings, the concier leone, you know,

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Speaker 5: all this. It's very well laid out. And I just

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Speaker 5: think there was a lot of ambiguity with totally there,

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00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 5: don't you think?

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Speaker 2: I do? Yeah? I think they probably should have stuck

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00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: with the state charges. You know, again, in hindsight, right agree,

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00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: And I again, I could care less what anybody does

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00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 2: behind closed doors. Sexually speaking, I legitimately could care less

1108
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: do you boo, whatever your kinks are, whatever your things are,

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01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: I legitimately have no judgment. It's really those elevator things,

1110
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: or knowing full well that he's being violent against women,

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01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 2: and nobody seems to care whatsoever, or at least half

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Speaker 2: of his Outside the courthouse, there was like a standoff

1113
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: between these groups of people that were actually driven by men,

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Speaker 2: and I was pleased to see it because it was

1115
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: a it was a heated debate, but you know somewhere

1116
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: saying she had it come in and this is a setup, YadA,

1117
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: YadA YadA, that just because you're freaky doesn't mean you're

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Speaker 2: doing rico and that's okay, totally hear that. And then

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Speaker 2: the other is how do we prevent victims from not

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Speaker 2: wanting to come forward again, because you know, they really

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Speaker 2: are putting themselves in a dangerous situation to what end.

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Speaker 5: Well, right, So now they've exposed Diddy right to you know,

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Speaker 5: all these shenanigans and put themselves at risk for nothing further,

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01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 5: literally nothing right because he's gotten away with it.

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Speaker 2: And like money talks, it seems like you know he

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Speaker 2: he's gotten before.

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Speaker 5: If he was anybody else, I don't think he would

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Speaker 5: have had the great defense team that he had. I mean,

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Speaker 5: he had what ten lawyers?

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Speaker 2: That's right, That is so well said. It's such a

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01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: good point. This is such a rich person's situation, like

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: what about everybody else? We can't afford that level of.

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Speaker 5: Legal Even Still, though, even if this was just a

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Speaker 5: normal Joe, I still don't think that they defined the

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Speaker 5: enterprise well. I think that was a massive law you

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01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 5: know they, I mean it just now. Granted, I think

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01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 5: the kidnapping and the bribery and those predicate acts were

1138
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 5: really convincing to me, But the overall structure of you know,

1139
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 5: Diddy at the top with his henchmen here, you know whatever,

1140
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 5: I just don't think that was It was presented well,

1141
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,439
Speaker 5: and I think that was probably their downfall.

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Speaker 4: And it got it did get convoluted. And again to

1143
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 4: how this is no dig on the prosecution, but how

1144
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 4: extraordinary the defense did only on cross examination because as

1145
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 4: we know, they did not put forth one single witness.

1146
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 4: But what they did do was make it incredibly confusing.

1147
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 4: And yes, the consent on certain levels, and then jurors

1148
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 4: have to split hairs because they did quote Cherry pick,

1149
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 4: I think you use that phrase Stephanie, and they did

1150
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Speaker 4: cherry pick texts between Diddy and Cassie and Jitty and

1151
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 4: Jane of when in the moment of that text, yes,

1152
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 4: they're all for it. Did that change after being beaten,

1153
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 4: blackmails and everything else? Yes, but he also wasn't charged

1154
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 4: with the beating, So what was a.

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Speaker 2: Person supposed to do? So if you're in a situation,

1156
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: and again, anybody listening who finds themselves in a tough spot,

1157
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: like again, we want to be able to talk about

1158
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: this stuff just to make sure we're keeping each other

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Speaker 2: safer in the world. Like ladies, we got to look

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Speaker 2: out for each other a little bit. So before we

1161
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 2: start judging everyone's worst day, let's look at it now.

1162
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: And we have the benefit in true crime to look

1163
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: at other people's hindsight, so we avoid it in our

1164
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: own worlds. But I would when we come back, I

1165
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: definitely want to talk about what we can take away

1166
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: from this that's a little bit helpful as opposed to

1167
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: around he is like all fighting about it and everyone's

1168
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: mad about it, and it's yeah he's free and no,

1169
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: you know, she had it come in and none of

1170
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 2: that is particularly useful. I'm with you. Maybe the Rico

1171
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: was an overreach, But then in hindsight, should he have

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01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: just been brought up in state charges? And I'm just

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01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 2: curious why he wasn't even brought up on state charges.

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01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure that was a larger game, but it seems

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01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 2: like that game was never fully played.

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Speaker 5: No, I agree. Well, we're going to continue to have

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Speaker 5: this discussion because I want to have a little roundtable

1178
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Speaker 5: about that. I think it would be really interesting, and

1179
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Speaker 5: we're going to talk about who's Caitlin Harp and why

1180
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 5: was her husband arrested? Stay right here, Tree Frime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight and Radio. We're talking

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01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. And look, guys, tomorrow is

1183
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: July fourth. We are on the eve of the holiday.

1184
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: It has been a wildly fatiguing, emotional week in all

1185
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 2: things crime. So thank you for joining us, join the

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01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 2: conversation eight eight eight three to one crime. We want

1187
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: to hear from you. I know you all have opinions

1188
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: on how this whole week has shaken down. Did he

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01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: not going to go home on bail? He was brought

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Speaker 2: up and found guilty on two of the lesser charges. Again,

1191
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: nothing to shake a stick out. It looks like he

1192
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 2: will do some time, and obviously he has been behind

1193
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: bars since September a year ago almost and then this

1194
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 2: Brian Coburger mess. He changed his you know, vote and

1195
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: his plea from not guilty to guilty in all four counts.

1196
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 2: And the Idaho student murders. Also, our documentary on Peacock

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01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 2: dropped today and is streaming now. We hope you'll check

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01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: it out. The Idaho Student Murders, and also our podcast

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Speaker 2: The Idaho Massacre we did two seasons. Courtney Armst is

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Speaker 2: the voice of it and has done such extraordinary work. Body,

1201
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: of course is on it, and it's just that case

1202
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 2: that you know, body, we've all been following since day one,

1203
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 2: so just kind of seeing it come to a head

1204
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: real time has been just really emotional this week. Again,

1205
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: we don't want to take anything from anybody who's related

1206
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: to someone, but if you're triggered the way we have been,

1207
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 2: I get it, totally get it. And also we're starting

1208
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 2: a new case with this Caitlyn Harp case that Body

1209
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 2: has been following extremely closely, and you know, body, just

1210
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 2: give us the headline because we're going to really be

1211
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Speaker 2: digging into this.

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Speaker 5: A lot, right So Caitlyn Harp was married to Vince

1213
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 5: and Harp, and he was arrested for her murder. She

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Speaker 5: was thirty three years old. She's in Pennsylvania. On June nineteenth,

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Speaker 5: around nine o'clock, she was last seen at her home

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01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 5: in Hemlock Township, Bloomsburg. By seven thirty seven, her phone

1217
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 5: went offline with its last known signal at the house.

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Speaker 5: Her sister Heather, very close to her sister. They were

1219
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 5: on the phone that night. Her sister Heather reported her

1220
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 5: missing early the next day. Search efforts came in. Of course.

1221
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 5: He said that they were at home just chilling and

1222
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 5: she was in the shower and he saw her phone

1223
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 5: get a snapchat message from a guy, and he asked

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Speaker 5: her about it. There was no big fight. He asked

1225
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 5: her about it. She kind of shrugged it off. It

1226
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 5: was no big deal. And then all of a sudden

1227
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Speaker 5: she goes missing. Like red alert, read alert, red alert, right,

1228
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 5: like horrible. So her sister really, her sister is remarkable.

1229
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 5: Her sister Heather really rang the alarm bells and recognized

1230
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 5: and remembered that Vincent, the husband, had all this old

1231
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 5: property all over the place. Well, she alerted the authorities

1232
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 5: that we need to check the properties. And sure enough

1233
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 5: there was a like big tool uh, I don't know

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01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 5: what they're called, toolbox, kind of like the ones that

1235
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 5: told the truck. I think, like the ones in your truck,

1236
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 5: the long toolbox. Things real like a cliff. Yeah, it

1237
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 5: was down a cliff on one of his former properties,

1238
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Speaker 5: and inside that box was Caitlin.

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Speaker 2: What.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so he was arrested. Yeah, he was arrested and

1241
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 5: charged with criminal homicide, tampering with evidence, and abuse of

1242
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 5: a corpse. He will be there will be a preliminary hearing.

1243
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 5: It is scheduled for July fourteenth, so that's mid month.

1244
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 5: It's like an eleven days. We are going to be

1245
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 5: following it, and we're going to be telling the story

1246
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 5: a little bit more in depth over the next couple

1247
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 5: of weeks, so stick around for that.

1248
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 2: But now, violence against women, Yes, that's what I was

1249
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 2: just gonna say to me.

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Speaker 5: It feels like every case that like literally every case

1251
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 5: that we've talked about tonight, at least women. Well of

1252
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 5: course Ethan, poor Ethan, Oh my gosh, the target was

1253
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 5: a woman, right, we think again, there's a lovely except

1254
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 5: of course, but you know, it's just like we are

1255
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 5: being we are under siege. Yeah, and you know, and

1256
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 5: then we have Diddy who has women left in right now,

1257
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 5: no women beaten them, sex trafficked them, you know, made

1258
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Speaker 5: them sleep with prostitutes.

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Speaker 2: I just what do we do? Do we revenge porn again?

1260
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 2: Like now that we're hearing from this alternate or who's

1261
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: basically saying like, look, the freak coughs weren't like as

1262
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: insane as you know, maybe they were made out to be. Again,

1263
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Speaker 2: that could very well be. I still don't know that

1264
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 2: that matters to me in the slightest. It's not about

1265
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: the tape. It's about that there's a sexual activity that's

1266
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 2: being held over your head and that it's going to

1267
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 2: be released to the press or released to the public,

1268
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 2: or release to your mother, and her job is in

1269
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: jeopardy and she's being promised her career that she's never

1270
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 2: going to get and she can't leave because maybe she

1271
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: consented along the way. But at some point, just because

1272
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Speaker 2: you're getting something for you're getting diamonds and pearls or

1273
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: whatever the stuff is that you know allegedly Cassi Ventura

1274
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 2: his ex girlfriend got. You're not giving away your free

1275
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 2: will forever. What do you mean, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't know, and it's I've said this before, but it's

1277
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 5: like that the frog and the pot. They don't know

1278
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 5: they're being boiled until it's two eight. And I feel

1279
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 5: like some of these women they're not stupid by any strength.

1280
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 5: They're not you know, ill willed or you know, have

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Speaker 5: weak minds. These are really like successfully important, smart women.

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Speaker 5: And if they can fall to it, can I, you know,

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01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 5: like it, can I be manipulated to do things that

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Speaker 5: I might not normally do and I just keep pushing

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Speaker 5: the envelope a little bit more so, well said.

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Speaker 4: I mean that that is the way it happens. And

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Speaker 4: I don't think any of us are immune. This is

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Speaker 4: true Crime Tonight. We're on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney Armstrong here

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01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 4: with my buddy Body move In and Stephanie Leidecker. We're

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01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 4: talking about Diddy and the larger implications kind of what

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Speaker 4: can we learn as humans, as women. We want to

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01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 4: hear what you think. We're at eighty eight three to

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01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 4: one crime or hit up a talk back and you

1294
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 4: will be right on the show. And speaking of talkbacks,

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Speaker 4: we have one about Ditty.

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Speaker 8: I have a question after Ditty's partial conviction, how does

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Speaker 8: this case compare to Harvey Weinstein? And what does it

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01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 8: say whether the justice system is really changing when it

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Speaker 8: comes to holding powerful men accountable for crimes against women.

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Speaker 2: What a good question, Such a good question. We were

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01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 2: just saying exactly exactly well said.

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Speaker 4: So similarities. I'll start with one which we have touched upon,

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01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,480
Speaker 4: and that is how these defendants want to be presented

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01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 4: to the courtroom, and that is less powerful than they

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01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 4: have lived their entire lives. Harvey Weinstein rolling in in

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01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 4: his wheelchair ditty when the gray hair which we know

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01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 4: is orchestrated in the three piece orval Rudderenbacher suit, it

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01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,520
Speaker 4: seems so innoc bible.

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Speaker 5: A bible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just, you know I said before, It's just

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01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 4: it's so repugnant and performative. And I think that it

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Speaker 4: also is an insight into men who are powerful and

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01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 4: are used to commanding the room in whatever capacity they

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01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 4: so choose, and as it benefits them as a defendant

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Speaker 4: in a courtroom, it is the more mild side that

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01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 4: they want to present. My two cents.

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Speaker 5: Now, I think that's really interesting. I mean, I think

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01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 5: that's really interesting. I think you're pretty on point. I

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01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 5: personally didn't really follow Harvey Weinstein. I don't know a

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01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 5: lot about Hit, the allegations against him or or what

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01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 5: he's done, so I'm going to have to pass on

1322
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 5: the comparisons. But I agree with Courtney from what I

1323
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 5: do know about the case and in Harvey doing those

1324
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 5: things because I remember thinking it reminded me of the

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01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 5: Golden State killer doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he started the me too movement, you know,

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01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 2: like that's what kicked off the me too movement. Because

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Speaker 2: I guess the main similarity is Harvey Weinstein was, you know,

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01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: allegedly or he's now serving time for using his you

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01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 2: know ability to give women jobs and you know, big

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01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: movie roles in things. So imagine Harvey Weinstein. He was

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01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 2: the guy. He was producing most epic movies. I was

1333
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: again such a fan, and some of those movies are

1334
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: are some of the best ever made. In some cases,

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Speaker 2: you suredated the nineties, he was like the nineties. Yeah, yeah,

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01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 2: you probably did look up to him. I mean, you're

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01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 2: in this business right like a studio, you know, like

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01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: you guy. Can you imagine I'm not an actress, but

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01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 2: you would go there and you're pitching something and he's like,

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01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 2: you're the one kid and oh yeah, meet me at

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01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: my hotel. People. You know, okay, it seems a little off,

1342
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 2: but you know it's Harvey Weinstein. He's a very powerful man,

1343
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: traveling to well respected world, well respected, revered. In fact,

1344
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,919
Speaker 2: you're not thinking you're gonna get, you know, sexually abused

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01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: the minute you walk in the door. And I guess

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01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 2: with Diddy as well, I think you would describe that

1347
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 2: as so you know, well said, you know, sometimes these

1348
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 2: kind of grooming situations, it's just like a little at

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01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 2: a time, little.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna see, they're gonna peck and see how far

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01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 5: they can get exactly.

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01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 2: Oh she was okay with that. Let's try this exactly

1353
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 2: and oh you did that, Oh surprise. I also videotaped that.

1354
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 2: So even that one little just for the envelope, it's

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01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 2: just for us, and now that's being held against you

1356
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 2: for a young person, or you know Ditty's case, the

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01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: promise of you know, a record career. Cassavan Tura was

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01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 2: wickedly talented. But I really remember her video. If you

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01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 2: guys haven't ever seen that song, what was that famous

1360
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: song that she had Me and you or you and me?

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01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: Oh you and me? Good yeah. Like, if you haven't

1362
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 2: seen that video, she was tremendous in it. And there's

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: also some video out there now of Diddy introducing Cassie

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01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 2: Venture his what would become his girlfriend, but at the

1365
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 2: time was his new you know artist to this big

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01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,879
Speaker 2: group and with the boardroom, and she was a baby

1367
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 2: and you could see she looked like nervous and she

1368
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 2: was coming in there excited to be Yes. This guy's like,

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01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 2: I love you, and now is showering her with presents

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 2: and gifts. I'm not making excuses. I'm not making excuses.

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01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 2: But again, I don't care what people do behind closed

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01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 2: doors sexually speaking, that's on them. But again, you don't

1373
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 2: get to just beat somebody to a pulp and say yeah, yeah,

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01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 2: I have a text. She consented to it once. That's

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01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 2: the piece of it that I think. There's also some takeaway.

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01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 2: You don't get to hold somebody in a warehouse for

1377
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: days to take a lie to dector test. That's the thing.

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01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 5: They tell Yeah, apparently you do. Apparently you do need

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01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 5: to do that.

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01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 2: Exactly, how are you? I'm fine. I mean people say

1381
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: niceties all the time, like oh yeah, if you're loving somebody,

1382
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 2: I'm using it now I'm going on a mixing world,

1383
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 2: but you know, a text message that's these are the

1384
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 2: things that are now wiping this away. And frankly, I

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01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 2: do think the witnesses that spoke out against Diddy are

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01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 2: are they're in dangerous.

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Speaker 4: Way, that's right. But one thing I will say is

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01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 4: that Cassie Ventura did open the door for all of

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01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 4: this being exposed when she filed her civil lawsuit. So

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Speaker 4: there is some power to that. Do not quote me exactly,

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01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 4: but Jean Didty Combs is facing upwards of sixty civil

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01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 4: suits against him, and I really give that to Cassie

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01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 4: for stepping forward and you know, bringing voice to what

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Speaker 4: was going on.

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01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty lawsuits. Money talks. Listen, money talks, and maybe

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 2: that's where it hurts the most. You know, oj got

1397
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 2: away with murder, but he still had to pay in

1398
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 2: civil court. Doesn't totally feel it quite as satisfying. But

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Speaker 2: I just want to you know, consent is an ongoing thing.

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01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 2: Consenting ones does not mean a lifetime. You don't get

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01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 2: to hold a person hostage, that's right. And we also

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01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: have a talk back to jump to Courtney. Do you

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01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: want to read it for us?

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01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, So this talk back, and we appreciate you leaving

1405
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 4: it very much. There was a noise transfer issue. So

1406
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 4: but this is from a listener and it says it's

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01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 4: regarding the Ditty case. If the daughters truly didn't know

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01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 4: what their father was up to. In Ditty's case, I

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 4: would be furious if I was in that situation, and

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01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 4: probably wouldn't speak to him anymore, knowing that my loving

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01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 4: father was out doing those things rather than spending time

1412
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 4: with me or us as a family. I'm curious to

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01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 4: see what happens with their relationship down the line if

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01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 4: they truly did not know what was going on. And

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01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 4: that's an excellent wood.

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01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 2: I don't know woof that is incredible actually his and

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01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 2: by the way, his daughters, who of course are standing

1418
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 2: by him, and you know, he has many children who

1419
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 2: have been in court every day. It's it's just extra

1420
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: special with daughters. And yeah, like he was never home

1421
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 2: apparently because he was doing a freak offs by all accounts,

1422
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 2: almost you know, several times a week for days on end.

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01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: So let's assume that you know they were with their

1424
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: mother kim porter, but we don't really know because she's dead, right,

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01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 2: Where were they who were they with they were you know,

1426
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 2: at the time, kim Porter was still alive, so we

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01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 2: assumed she was with mom.

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01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 4: And the daughters are now eighteen years old, and they're told, okay.

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01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 5: So they were young during well not young, but they

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01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 5: were miners doing or all this.

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01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 2: That's right.

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01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 4: Well, no, that I mean it was alleged over twenty years,

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01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 4: beginning back in four so this is a lifetime. Oh wow,

1434
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 4: their entire lifetime. So and it's it's a really good

1435
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 4: it's a really good question.

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01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 5: I wonder if they view him differently now.

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01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,799
Speaker 2: I can now that they've been watching freak off tapes

1438
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 2: in court for you know, well over a month. Imagine

1439
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 2: that's your dad.

1440
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 4: Well, no, I believe that only the jurors.

1441
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 2: Yes, they know what's going on. We've all been talking

1442
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 2: about freakoff tapes. So you can't go to that courtroom

1443
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 2: without avoiding some of his sexual content.

1444
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.

1445
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 2: For the fact that my dad is beating people up

1446
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: and there's videotape of it. So that's not really up

1447
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 2: for debate. It's just a lot of hard content to

1448
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 2: have any child here about their parents, whether it's true

1449
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: or not. I'm not even saying it's you know, you

1450
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 2: just should have They shouldn't be in the courtroom period

1451
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 2: the end. In my two cents, the jury should have

1452
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 2: been sequestered while in deliberations. At the bare minimum, the

1453
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: deliberations were one. That's not a big deal.

1454
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 4: Of course that was able before they began.

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01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 5: Sure, so I thought they were older? Am I thinking

1456
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 5: of the boys?

1457
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: You're thinking that he has older?

1458
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 4: I think there's six. I've lost my notes right now,

1459
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 4: but I think there are six total.

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01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 2: That's correct, that's correct. Believe he has three boys. Quincy

1461
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 2: is alb Shore's son shared with not kim Porter, and

1462
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 2: then he has two sons also with kim Porter who

1463
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 2: has since passed away, and then the twins and then

1464
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 2: another daughter with another woman.

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01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 5: I think, you know, like, if it was my thought,

1466
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 5: I would be very much looking at him differently, like

1467
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 5: very much.

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01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 2: So, yeah, how could you not? That's a tough one.

1469
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 2: That's a really tough one.

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01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 4: Comes to mind. But listen, then again, not in their family,

1471
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 4: and who knows, and he may well treat them like gold.

1472
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: You know, yes, that's hope, well, hopefully the opportunity to.

1473
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, absolutely, this is how I expelt to

1474
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 4: be treated, right like unless portrayed. Listen, and this happens

1475
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 4: even in the most quote simple divorces. You know she's bad,

1476
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 4: he's bad. So anyway, we never know what goes on.

1477
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna listen to be following a lot of

1478
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: this on Sunday because Joseph Scott Morgan will be joining

1479
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 2: us talking forensics all things the Idaho student murders. Please

1480
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 2: check out the documentary. We're so grateful for a great night,

1481
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 2: happy Fourth of July. Everybody, please say Stafe out there,

1482
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 2: Court and anybody crazy for you both. Good night, I

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01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 2: got you.

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Speaker 4: Good Night.