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Speaker 2: today to be joined by third District Arizona Congressman Reuben Diego,

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Speaker 2: a candidate of the Democratic Party for the United States Senate,

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Speaker 2: one of the most interesting members of Congress currently serving

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Speaker 2: of the four hundred and thirty five, A person that

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Speaker 2: I regard as somebody who is an idealist, a conviction

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Speaker 2: based politician in an era of cynicism, precisely the type

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Speaker 2: of person that you want in public service. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that politics should be an issue litmus test should

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Speaker 2: be a character based enterprise, and so that's why I'm

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Speaker 2: so pleased to be able to be joined by Ruben Gago. Welcome,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Steve. I want to start with

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Speaker 2: your first government service. Take us back to arriving at

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Speaker 1: I was at Paris Island.

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Speaker 2: And take us to that moment where the bus pulls

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was excited. This is something that I'd

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Speaker 1: always wanted to do. I wanted to serve my country,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I joined, you know, pre nine to

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Speaker 1: opportunity to do that. In a weird way. I got

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Speaker 1: But that was my first real real indication about where

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Speaker 2: Not a lesson they teach at Harvard, but Marine Corps

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Speaker 1: Apparently it does work. I mean, like a lot of

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Speaker 1: it actually comes from Marine Corps training, and it's simple

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Speaker 1: stuff like discipline, focus, but even other kind of values

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Speaker 2: Nine to eleven happened, and you wind up in Iraq

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Speaker 2: which you do not as an officer, as an enlisted man.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah. I was the assistant machine gunner on a

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Speaker 1: And you know, we were emerged unit. I I was

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Speaker 1: my service. You know, I'm never never going to deny that.

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Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't hard. I wasn't a hero of

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Speaker 2: How is how does that affect you when you see

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that the first thing that I see

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Speaker 1: We need to preserve the jurisdiction of the civilian side

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Speaker 1: We should have pulled out Afghanistan a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: So so you have an institution, the Pentagon, which is

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Speaker 2: Now, one of the things I think is really interesting

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Speaker 2: you is how you took out of respect your mother's

436
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Speaker 2: name after your dad abandoned the family. And your mom

437
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Speaker 2: sounds like a pretty remarkable woman. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: consultants out there that make a lot of money coaching

439
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Speaker 2: kids into Harvard, but your mom figured out how to

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Speaker 2: raise two of them.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, well, I mean she threatened, she she

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Speaker 1: threatened to kill us. I mean, that's that's what you

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Speaker 1: know moms do, which which fell us a lot. No,

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Speaker 1: she's I mean, she's an amazing and motivated ass kicker,

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Speaker 1: you know. And you know when I saw her working

446
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Speaker 1: as far as she could just to keep the family together,

447
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, that inspired me. When you know, she didn't

448
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Speaker 1: know much about Harvard or about you know, college, but

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Speaker 1: she did, you know, have two beliefs, right. Number one,

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00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: she believed in her kids, and number two, she also

451
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Speaker 1: had a fundamental belief in the fairness of this country.

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Speaker 1: That if you know, my kids keep their knees, their

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Speaker 1: their nose clean, they get good grades, that they're going

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Speaker 1: to be able to succeed. And those are the two

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Speaker 1: things that helped, I think motivate her to push us.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the I tell this all

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Speaker 1: the time on the campaign, trill like, if you want

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Speaker 1: to know a good example of the American dream, the

459
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Speaker 1: American story, you know, if you had gone to the

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Speaker 1: little apartment that we were living in twenty five years ago,

461
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Speaker 1: it was me, my three sisters, and my mother in

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Speaker 1: that apartment. There was nobody with a college degree. You know,

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Speaker 1: twenty five years later, if you come to one of

464
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Speaker 1: our family dinners, and you bet every ready because we're

465
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Speaker 1: very loud. We have you know, one, two, three, four

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Speaker 1: college degrees and fifth because my mom went back to

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Speaker 1: school and got her college degree after she put all

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Speaker 1: the kids through. And then we also have another sister

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Speaker 1: who has a master's degree. I have another sister who's

470
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Speaker 1: a doctor and you know, deals with blood cancer. So

471
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: guess who's the real cool one in the family. It's

472
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Speaker 1: not the congressman. I have a sister who you know,

473
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Speaker 1: runs a book publishing company. So this is a you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a family that is successful because of a

475
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Speaker 1: combination of you know, a strong family unit led by

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Speaker 1: a strong woman. But also there was a government at

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Speaker 1: that point that also believed in kids like us. Right

478
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Speaker 1: we were on the free lunch program. I went to

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Speaker 1: school on telegrams, Stafford loans work program. You know, they

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Speaker 1: they believed in that kids that you know, didn't come

481
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Speaker 1: from the best or the highest rung of society should

482
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Speaker 1: have an opportunity to rise. And for that I will

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Speaker 1: always be grateful. And you know, it wasn't easy. You know,

484
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Speaker 1: we lived in an apartment we sacked so we could

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Speaker 1: stay in a better part of Chicago. We lived in

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Speaker 1: a small suburb called Everbeen Park that had decent schools,

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Speaker 1: and uh, the only thing we could afford to stay

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Speaker 1: there was for someone to not have a bedroom, and

489
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Speaker 1: so I slept on the floor for many years. And

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Speaker 1: you know, college was my first bedding quite a while,

491
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Speaker 1: and I was very excited about it. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I I think there's a lot obviously that could have

493
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Speaker 1: gone better growing up, but it's also important to be

494
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Speaker 1: grateful for what you have.

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Speaker 2: When when people talk about loving their country, one of

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Speaker 2: the things offset is that very difficult to love your

497
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Speaker 2: country if you hate half the people in it. But

498
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Speaker 2: but talk about love of country, what does that mean

499
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Speaker 2: to you?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, people actually say that to me all

501
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Speaker 1: the time, like how do you you know? Because I

502
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: do go after Trump and and Mada people, but I

503
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Speaker 1: love everybody. I mean, like my Marine Corps friends that

504
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Speaker 1: are like brothers to me. I mean, if I pulled,

505
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Speaker 1: I think probably half at a minimum would be Trump supporters,

506
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Speaker 1: and I still love them. And there's you know, they

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Speaker 1: just are Trump supporters and not necessarily it's extreme as

508
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Speaker 1: some and so, you know, I think it's important to

509
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Speaker 1: always give everyone a chance in this country. And give

510
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Speaker 1: it everyone politically a chance, even if you don't agree

511
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Speaker 1: with them. But number two, even if you don't agree

512
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Speaker 1: with them, doesn't mean you can't be friends. You know,

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Speaker 1: at some level, you know they might have some core

514
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Speaker 1: values that you both can ascribe to. And I've found

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Speaker 1: that separate piece with some of my friends that are

516
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Speaker 1: strong Republicans, but they're you know, not hateful. You know

517
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Speaker 1: they're strong Republicans, but do believe in the Constitution, the

518
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Speaker 1: idea of you know, the passage of government from one

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Speaker 1: hand to another. Believe January six was a atrocity upon

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Speaker 1: this country, and you know, we find ways to get along,

521
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Speaker 1: and I'm that, but I also think that if you

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Speaker 1: love this country, you love it no matter what, and

523
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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you forget about the problems. You understand

524
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Speaker 1: that those problems and you try to get those get

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Speaker 1: them fixed. You try to fix it because you believe

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Speaker 1: in this longer idea of this more perfecting country. And

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Speaker 1: if you do believe that this is a country that's

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Speaker 1: always kind of perfecting itself, then you should be part

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Speaker 1: of that and not just try to reject it and

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Speaker 1: kind of go into your little corner and create your

531
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Speaker 1: little safe space. And I say that for Republicans and Democrats,

532
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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not going to give up on

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Speaker 1: this country. This country never gave up on me. And

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Speaker 1: for us just to say, well, things are bad, things

535
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Speaker 1: are rough, everyone hates each other, let's just give up

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Speaker 1: on it. It's ridiculous. You know, there's you know, hundreds

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Speaker 1: of thousands of men and women that sacrificed themselves to

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Speaker 1: keep this country alive and moving forward. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't be the first generation to give up on

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Speaker 1: this grand experiment.

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Speaker 2: I think, I think think that when we look at

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Speaker 2: the Trump era, as you get older, you relate to

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Speaker 2: time differently. You know, seven years is a long time

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Speaker 2: for an eighteen year old. It's not so long to

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Speaker 2: me anymore at fifty two. But it's been almost ten

546
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Speaker 2: years since Trump came down the escalator, really asserted himself

547
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Speaker 2: into national life. There was a moment in time where

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Speaker 2: Republicans and Democrats largely stood in complete united revulsion around

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Speaker 2: this man and the things he said. I was in

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party for twenty nine years. At one moment,

551
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Speaker 2: everybody was never Trump. And then one by one by one,

552
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: by one by one, all the way until we have

553
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: an insurrect and literally you have Adam Kitzinger and Liz Cheney.

554
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Speaker 2: There are two left, right. So the the absence of love,

555
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Speaker 2: I think produces a type of moral cowardice.

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Speaker 1: And I want to ask.

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Speaker 2: You about moral cowardice, the capitulation of so many across

558
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Speaker 2: a party to their oaths, looking putting themselves on the record,

559
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Speaker 2: whether it's Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, every one

560
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: of these people knew exactly who Trump was, talked about it,

561
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Speaker 2: but every single one of them submitted, collaborated, and became

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Speaker 2: stooges to him. Do do you think that that is

563
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Speaker 2: possible to happen inside the Democratic Party? Could have could

564
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Speaker 2: a could a demagogue like Trump eyes in the Democratic Party?

565
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Speaker 2: Or do you think the institution is different enough, diverse

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Speaker 2: enough that it's more insulated from that type of that's

567
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Speaker 2: typing virus.

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Speaker 1: It's not the institution, because all institutions can be corrupted

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Speaker 1: by nature. If you have any organizations that can have power,

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Speaker 1: it can actually be corrupted. It's just it's the people

571
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Speaker 1: of that make up the Democratic Party because we are

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Speaker 1: so different, right, one of the hardest things about being

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Speaker 1: a Democrat is for us to put a coalition together

574
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Speaker 1: to win right every year, we have to get young

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Speaker 1: people out, our labor people out. African American voters, Latino

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Speaker 1: voters are lgbticulate, you name it, right, and the diversity

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Speaker 1: of that community. Right. They don't listen to the same

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Speaker 1: TV stations, they don't listen to the same news. They

579
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Speaker 1: don't you know, even speak the same language. When I

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Speaker 1: say speak the same language, they speak English, but they're

581
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: speaking very different languages and they have very very differ

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Speaker 1: different experiences in life. And so demogogues when they take over,

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Speaker 1: they are largely taking over uniform societies that have i think,

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Speaker 1: very much centralized messaging course, right, So if you see it,

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Speaker 1: you know it's not just the United States, by the way,

586
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Speaker 1: but the history of a demogogu's taking power. They have

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Speaker 1: a couple of things in common, very much uniform societies,

588
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: massive communications networks that they control, and you know, economic

589
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: times that actually gives rise to anxiety. I think in

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Speaker 1: the case of Trump, there was a combination of economic

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Speaker 1: times and also demographic anxiety that was able to kind

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Speaker 1: of feed feed through that, and so that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: But there is no excuse though for the politicians that

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Speaker 1: have been cowers about you don't have to go through

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Speaker 1: with this. You don't have to be a part of it.

596
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: You don't have to also be a martyr, but you

597
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Speaker 1: certainly don't have to be a part of it. And

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Speaker 1: being a cheerleader and some of the people that I've

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Speaker 1: seen that become a cheerleader for this kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: autocracy neurotoxicy of its hit has been disturbing. And you know,

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Speaker 1: for me, you know, I always kind of make you know,

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Speaker 1: my uh my observation. I'm making decisions, and I'm not

603
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Speaker 1: talking about everyday decisions. You know, every day politicians do

604
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Speaker 1: have to make an opportunity costs analysis of what they

605
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: should should not be doing versus wild term fights. But

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00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes, uh there are and and hopefully you never

607
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Speaker 1: have to make those choices. You have to make a

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Speaker 1: choice about who you are and who you're going to

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Speaker 1: be for the rest of your life. And for me,

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Speaker 1: I had to make that choice unfortunate at a very

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Speaker 1: young age. I to decide whether I was going to

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Speaker 1: be a coward or not, if I was going to

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Speaker 1: stay behind and find a reason to get out of

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Speaker 1: the Iraq War, or even when I was in Iraq,

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Speaker 1: I had to make a decision whether or not I

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Speaker 1: was going to stay safely you know, in you know,

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Speaker 1: my my bunker or safely behind a wall when you know,

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Speaker 1: people started shooting at us, when terroriststarted shooting us, I

619
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Speaker 1: had to make that decision and make this through decision.

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Speaker 1: Who did I want to be for the rest of

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Speaker 1: my life if I survived. And I realized that that

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Speaker 1: young is at twenty five, that I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: live the rest of my life knowing that when the

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Speaker 1: country asked me to do the best that I could be,

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Speaker 1: or when I needed to be the person that I

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Speaker 1: that I always thought I was going to be someone

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Speaker 1: that was you know, brave, and and therefore his you know,

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00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: felt like countrymen that I was going to fail them.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I couldn't do it. So I couldn't run away,

630
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Speaker 1: and I went and I did my job. And so

631
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Speaker 1: for for politics, it is easy for me because I

632
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Speaker 1: made that decision early on that I was not going

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Speaker 1: to be that type of person. I couldn't look themselves

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Speaker 1: in the face and and and shy away from, you know,

635
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: from from some tough situations. And what happens right now

636
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: with these politicians is that they're they don't they don't

637
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Speaker 1: understand what they're doing to themselves, and they're not they

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Speaker 1: don't understand what they're doing to their country. You know,

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Speaker 1: I said this on the night of Jeremy six, after

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Speaker 1: we got back to the floor where that you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what I said, but I said,

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Speaker 1: tell you that there's very few times in this life

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Speaker 1: where the country asks you to be pure, to be strong.

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Speaker 1: This is one of them. This is the message to

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Speaker 1: my Republicans, my present friends, and it was so disappointed

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Speaker 1: to see them not understand, not seize the moment, because

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Speaker 1: you know, very very few times people actually get that opportunity,

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Speaker 1: and they lost it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna. I couldn't I couldn't agree. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: agree more with everything you said right there. When you

651
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Speaker 2: when you think about Christian cinema, you talked about her

652
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Speaker 2: being disconnected. As a general proposition, most members of Congress

653
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Speaker 2: are not particularly difficult to figure out. You are in

654
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Speaker 2: a in a in a rare kind of minority in

655
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Speaker 2: my view, and now you're a genuine bonafide idealist. You're

656
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Speaker 2: a person who gratified gratitude means something to you are.

657
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Speaker 2: You're a bonafide patriot. You're exactly the type of person

658
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Speaker 2: before you even get to your voting record, just as

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Speaker 2: a matter of character, all of the all of the

660
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Speaker 2: things there. I've never been able to quite figure her out,

661
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Speaker 2: uh where she's coming from. And I don't think I'm

662
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Speaker 2: alone in that, but I think her senatorial term, if

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Speaker 2: I had to use a word.

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Speaker 1: Dileton, I mean, I think at the end the day,

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Speaker 1: you know you're when you're elected, and you're elected by

666
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Speaker 1: the people, the most important thing you could do is

667
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Speaker 1: just be responsive. And look, I everyone likes having fun,

668
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Speaker 1: likes doing uh, you know, spend time with their family,

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Speaker 1: spend time with their friends. I don't ever falter for that,

670
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Speaker 1: but you need to be responsive to the people that

671
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Speaker 1: put you there. That is the you know, the social

672
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Speaker 1: contract of politics, the basics. And I think the.

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Speaker 2: Fact of leadership too, right, I mean, it's you know

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Speaker 2: marine officers eat.

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Speaker 1: Last well, it's it's even, it's not even. You can't

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Speaker 1: be a leader if you don't understand who you're serving.

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Speaker 1: If you if you don't, you know, you'll never be

678
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Speaker 1: able to really be a leader. If you don't really

679
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Speaker 1: understand who puts you in power and why you are there. Right,

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Speaker 1: One of the things that they teach us, you know,

681
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Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps is that you, you know, leadership

682
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Speaker 1: it comes from accountability, and when you are not holding

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Speaker 1: yourself accountable, then you definitely aren't. You know, you're not

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Speaker 1: leading anybody, you know. And I think a lot of

685
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Speaker 1: politicians lie to themselves and say that they are leaders,

686
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Speaker 1: but when in fact they're not. They're just they're pressing

687
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Speaker 1: a little button there. So she, you know, we don't

688
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Speaker 1: have to have her, you know, explain to any of

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Speaker 1: us you know her, you know, her psychic val or

690
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Speaker 1: anything else like that. She just needs to be responsive

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Speaker 1: to voters, and like any politician needs to be responsive

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Speaker 1: to voters. I mean, I'll be like, I think I

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Speaker 1: have a town hat at the end of this month, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be there. They're gonna ask me everything

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Speaker 1: that underneath the moon. And you know, I'm sure I'm

696
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Speaker 1: going to get a lot of people not in their heads,

697
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's gonna be twenty percent of people

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Speaker 1: that disagree with me. But you need to put yourself

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Speaker 1: out there. It's your job, I mean, it's your basic,

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Speaker 1: basic job.

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Speaker 2: What's the toughest vote you've taken in your career.

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Speaker 1: I think the JCPOA bill was probably the hardest one

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Speaker 1: for me. Obviously it's a big national sorry. The Ran

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Speaker 1: nuclear deal that was very difficult for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: as someone that had to dodge some of the Iranian

706
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Speaker 1: IDs in Iraq and then having to deal with this

707
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Speaker 1: reality that you know, do we get into this deal

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Speaker 1: with them and contain Iran and and hopefully stop us

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Speaker 1: from really triggering rolling into a war, or do we

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Speaker 1: try to use other methods to exert you know, some

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Speaker 1: power them and hopefully really move back. And the way

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Speaker 1: that it was kind of breaking out in the conversations

713
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Speaker 1: out there was that this this deal to Iran was

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Speaker 1: too generous. It only empower them. You know, there was

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Speaker 1: conversations among veterans and veterans community that we can't do

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Speaker 1: this because we're it's a pay off to them after

717
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Speaker 1: they killed so many of us are men, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it was my it was my first big boot. I

719
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Speaker 1: had just gotten elected, you know, so there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure of pressure also being exerted, and you know,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I just couldn't I

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Speaker 1: couldn't give peace a chance. That's the one thing I

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Speaker 1: thought about. I couldn't give it a chance. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: give it a chance that maybe if we actually get

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Speaker 1: into this agreement UH with Iran in other countries, that

726
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Speaker 1: we may avoid another war in the Middle East, because

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Speaker 1: I always think that war is always an option. But

728
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Speaker 1: once you get to war, it's it's tough to come

729
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Speaker 1: back for more. But you know, if you if you

730
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Speaker 1: can hold on to peace as long as possible, then

731
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Speaker 1: then there's then there's hope. And I you know, I

732
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Speaker 1: had to think about it just a lot, and that

733
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Speaker 1: was probably one of the last people to vote out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing, you know, we had had a

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Speaker 1: lot of you know, people call me from the you know,

736
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Speaker 1: the Apex of the World, had me O the president,

737
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Speaker 1: you know, also calling me, the Vice president call me.

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Speaker 1: You know. Eventually, it was you know, conversations with some

739
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Speaker 1: of the guys that I served with that made me

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Speaker 1: realize that, you know, I'm gonna give piece of chance.

741
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Speaker 1: When I say the guys I sat with my friends

742
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Speaker 1: that are buried at Arlington. It was my conversation with

743
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Speaker 1: them that made me decide that I was going to

744
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Speaker 1: give this approach because I just didn't want to see,

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Speaker 1: you know, another Middle East war if.

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Speaker 2: I Could's the fundamentally, and I hope everyone who is

747
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Speaker 2: watching this will take that away, is that we have

748
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Speaker 2: an absence, a dearth of wisdom in the highest elected

749
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Speaker 2: offices in the land. And what you just said is profoundly,

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Speaker 2: profoundly important and one of the great lessons of the

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Speaker 2: twenty first century, which is that it's a lot easier

752
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Speaker 2: for this country to start wars than it is for

753
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Speaker 2: us to end a hunt.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you to peace piece is hard, but it's cheap

755
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Speaker 1: or to start as easy, but very expensive. And I'm

756
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Speaker 1: not just talking about money.

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Speaker 2: We have a couple minutes left. I wanted to ask you,

758
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Speaker 2: when you look down the road, where do you seek

759
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Speaker 2: for this country to be twenty years from now, twenty

760
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Speaker 2: five years from now? What is your hope for America

761
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Speaker 2: quarter century from now? Look, I mean, I think we're

762
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Speaker 2: always going to be a country that.

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Speaker 1: Is in I would say in a conversation right now,

764
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Speaker 1: we're in conflict. It doesn't have to be that way.

765
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Speaker 1: I think we can have great American values with you know,

766
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Speaker 1: different viewpoints, you know, Democrats, Republicans, independence, you know. By

767
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Speaker 1: then there's probably be more parties, but I you know what,

768
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Speaker 1: I'm hoping this is going to be a basic understanding

769
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Speaker 1: between everybody that we're all American, We're all in this

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Speaker 1: book together, uh, and that when one side of America

771
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Speaker 1: is doing better, is doing well, it doesn't mean that

772
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Speaker 1: you're going to do works and that you know what,

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Speaker 1: we may be different, but doesn't mean that I hate

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Speaker 1: you because of your difference. You know, If anything, it

775
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Speaker 1: should be something that we respect. And right now it's

776
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Speaker 1: too easy for us to hate each other because we're

777
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Speaker 1: we're different and it and and people will they pull

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Speaker 1: us apart because of that. There's people that now that

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Speaker 1: make profit from you know, Americans hating other Americans, both

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Speaker 1: political profit and natural real my entire profit. And I

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00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: just hope that this country, you know, twenty years from

782
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Speaker 1: now and we'll all be talking about you know, some

783
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Speaker 1: very mon dane shit, uh and really having you know,

784
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Speaker 1: conversations about you know, where we should again still be

785
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Speaker 1: going as a country, because I think we'll always be

786
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: trying to perfect ourselves. But this day of existential threats

787
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Speaker 1: where if the Democrats win, Republicans are you know, Republicans

788
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Speaker 1: are over or where Republicans win, the Democrats feel it's

789
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Speaker 1: all over. I don't want to. I don't want our

790
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Speaker 1: country feeling that way. I want us to feel someday like, man,

791
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Speaker 1: the Republicans just you know, just took control of the Congress. Well,

792
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little difficult, but at least we'll

793
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Speaker 1: all you feel like, you know what, it's still going

794
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: to be a democratic country. We're going to be fine.

795
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Speaker 1: We'll just have to try to win the next time around.

796
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Speaker 1: When I want the Republicans feel the same way, when

797
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Speaker 1: Democrats around that that this country is not going to

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Speaker 1: die on the grapevine because you know, we got elected

799
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Speaker 1: and you know, and I think most Americans want that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Americans want to live in this world

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Speaker 1: where every two years they feel like it's a you know,

802
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Speaker 1: catalystic cataallyismic occurrence about to happen because most of them

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00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: did not grow up that way. I don't think I

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Speaker 1: will want my kids growing up that way. And still

805
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Speaker 1: think fundamentally that's the way that this country was even

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Speaker 1: created within that vision of what we're supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 2: Last thing I wanted to ask you is just to

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Speaker 2: react to the historic indictment of a former president of

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Speaker 2: the United States, thirty seven specific charges, seven counts on

810
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Speaker 2: the on the indictment. Tragic day for the country.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that. By the way, I think

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Speaker 1: there's been too much. A lot of people that are

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Speaker 1: very excited about this, and like, look, I'm not a

814
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Speaker 1: Trump support I have never been a Trump supporter. I've

815
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Speaker 1: always been one of the first people that was on

816
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Speaker 1: the floor of the House of Representatives right after the

817
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Speaker 1: elections warning about the danger of what was coming. But

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Speaker 1: there's just a tragic day. This is a day that

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Speaker 1: I'm glad happened. But I'm glad happened because we should

820
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Speaker 1: believe in the rule of law. That's what should be

821
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Speaker 1: cheered up. We shouldn't cheer the fact that a ford

822
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Speaker 1: president conducted himself in a matter that he brought, that

823
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Speaker 1: he brought this we should be ruling. We should be

824
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Speaker 1: cheering that there's gonna be due process for this American

825
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Speaker 1: and that he is going to have every opportunity to

826
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Speaker 1: represent himself. And I'm here to support the rule of

827
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Speaker 1: law and do process. But it is not a good

828
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Speaker 1: day that this has occurred, and I hope it never

829
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Speaker 1: happens again. I hope that our leaders look at this

830
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Speaker 1: as a really good example and they understand that no

831
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Speaker 1: one's above the rule of law, Democrats or Republicans. And

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Speaker 1: I really wish that some of my Republican colleagues. If

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Speaker 1: you're not going to say that, if you're not going

834
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Speaker 1: to say, you know, I you know, this is a

835
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Speaker 1: very serious event. Let's let the judicial process carry itself out.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're saying. By the way, I'm sorry, that's

837
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying that. Just don't say anything, because by

838
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: going and cheering it on and questioning everything, you're not

839
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Speaker 1: helping Trump. You're hurting the rule of law, one of

840
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: the core tenants that has kept his country together. And

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Speaker 1: that's the most important thing that needs to come out

842
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Speaker 1: of this. Whatever happens with this indictment and the process

843
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Speaker 1: b has to happen. The rule of law has to

844
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Speaker 1: come out as the premier winner of this, because we

845
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Speaker 1: will be stronger as a country in the long.

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Speaker 2: I would just say one thing, and I was going

847
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Speaker 2: to leave it there, But it's incredible to read the

848
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Speaker 2: stories in the indictment because they all come around back

849
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Speaker 2: to one thing that you talked about in the beginning,

850
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Speaker 2: with the drill instructor. When he slapped the notepad out

851
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Speaker 2: of your hand, he said, I told you to pick

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Speaker 2: up a piece of paper. In the concept here is

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Speaker 2: Trump wanted these documents.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: They did everything they could to ask, ask nicely, forty times,

856
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Speaker 2: give them back, give them back, and he wouldn't give

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Speaker 2: them back. And as somebody who's walked into the Oval

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Speaker 2: office was a White House staffer. What I find I'm

859
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Speaker 2: the person who plays the phone call from John McCain

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Speaker 2: to Barack Obama to concede the election. What I find

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Speaker 2: most incredible psychologically is apparently there were there was no one,

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Speaker 2: not one person in the Republican Party of any stature,

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Speaker 2: who who could look Donald Trump in the eye kind

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Speaker 2: of just maybe you have to do it alone. Look left,

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Speaker 2: look right. You fucking lost. You lost, you lost the election.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell it. More people voted

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Speaker 2: for the other guy. It happens. It's one of the

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Speaker 2: two possible outcomes if you volunteer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, ccally, I never had that outcore. But look,

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, like I think a lot of politicians

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Speaker 1: is not just Trump. You know, they surround themselves with

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Speaker 1: yes men and yes women and they they created this

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Speaker 1: culture around them that is basically like a little bubble

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Speaker 1: culture that allows them to you know, do whatever they want. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And you know it's a really it's a mark horrible

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Speaker 1: leader by the way that does that. A leader is

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Speaker 1: not afraid of criticism. I'm certainly not afraid of people

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Speaker 1: giving them, you know, direction. And you know, Trump was

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Speaker 1: never a leader. Trump was never in his life had

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Speaker 1: ever been a leader because you know, he basically was

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Speaker 1: a bully that got to power one way or the other,

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Speaker 1: with politics or whether it was business. And you know,

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Speaker 1: there was never a check on that type of power

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Speaker 1: until he hit you know, the one area where there

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Speaker 1: is a check, and that's called the people United States.

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Speaker 1: So you know you are who you surround yourself with.

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Speaker 1: That's all I would say. And in my world, I

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Speaker 1: have so many no men and women that I sometimes

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Speaker 1: had to fight just for yes. But that's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Leave it there. I'll just say this, you know, to

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Speaker 2: people that are watching you want to fix some American politics,

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Speaker 2: you need to a lack of leaders. Leader. So like

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Speaker 2: this guy rut being gago with, I's on big media.

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Speaker 2: You take on big business, you take on a big

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Speaker 2: tech and you stand up for the little guy, they

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Speaker 2: try to silence you by drowning you in campaign donations

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Speaker 2: to your opponent. So if you're going to fight for

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Speaker 2: the little guy, which Rubigogo does every day, what that

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Speaker 2: means is that he needs support from regular people out there,

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Speaker 2: a couple bucks at a time. And so so we'll

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Speaker 2: be talking more about this campaign here on the warning.

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Speaker 2: It's one to watch. This is a national leader on

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Speaker 2: the rise and important voice. And let me just say

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Speaker 2: in conclusion, we could do a lot worse off than

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Speaker 2: having a retired lance corporal from the United States Marine

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Speaker 2: Corps and Infantry Marine in the United States Senate Congressman,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Steve. That says you have a good one.

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Speaker 2: You bet