WEBVTT - Playa Ham has strong words for DJ Quik 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.800 What's happening. What's happening? What was happening? There's another episode 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.960 against the Chronicles podcast. I got another special guest with me, 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.039 like another special co host, my boy AJ from the 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:13.039 Connected Experience podcast. What's going on? What's going on? You 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.560 know what? It is? Anster mission in the house all day, 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.439 every day was going on. Big still oh man, you know, 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.119 same old stuff, man, But we got a really special 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.639 guest man one of the o g s in the game, 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:27.840 Man from the original Penthouse Players. Click, man, my boy player, 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:32.559 hand what's up with it? Man? One day at a time, 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:37.040 Maybe I cannot complain, you know what, Man, One day 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.720 at a time. Love. You know how we're doing. Well. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.680 We got a lot of stuff to talk about, man, 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:43.599 for sure, for sure, Man, I want to go back 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.559 to the beginning, right mm hmm. You're from out of 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.120 content right now. Man, I'm not a South Central man. 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.680 A lot of people think that, you know, but and 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:55.720 you watch to the west side of l A. Man. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.000 South Central was where I was born and raised, you know, 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.840 Oh for sure, for sure didn't know that we might 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:02.959 be bringing some news. That's where I think everybody thought 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.880 you some company. Man, I think that you know, because 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:12.240 of affiliations and associations, man, but you know it's not true. Well, 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.120 the first thing I want to ask you, man, is 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:18.080 because you grabbed the whole of what was with who 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.600 eventually became one of the best producers in hip hop. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.880 I still think he was a day How did you 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.760 link how did you link up with Quick Man? How 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.560 old was he when you guys linked up? Man? He 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.600 had to be in his late teen teld me U. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:37.200 I want to say maybe eighteen. I just turned nineteen. Uh, eighteen, 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.360 had to because it was a D eight. So anyway, Uh, 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.320 we had a little uh. But they used to call 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:46.560 him back in the day when you get on the 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:51.200 phone and everybody be talking. Yeah, but it was something 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.200 else like there on the chat line. It was called 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.640 party line. Yeah, party line, and you know we was 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.559 you know, one of my partners had a little money 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.800 and his brother and they came together. So it was 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:05.760 called the Penthouse party line and quick sister called inn 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.080 and my boy tweet chopped it up with his sisters. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.640 Did a little brother through music to your producer And 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.600 you know he was a fledgement and you know, kind 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.360 of new to it at that time, but he still 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.560 had a talent that was a parent to anybody that 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:25.000 would pay attention, and uh, you know ship Basically he 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.440 auditioned with one of tweet beats for us man and 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.160 after a conversation between Tweet and this system and one 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.960 thing that to another man and you know, and they 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:34.399 had to go out there and get him and grab 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.040 him up and making part of the click. He was 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:40.000 like the missing peace, you know. So when y'all first 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.200 heard his music, did y'all know like, this guy is 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.880 gonna be somebody? He ended up being DJ Quick, But 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.000 did y'all see something in him, like, hey, he gotta 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.560 be down with us, because we know, if anything, this 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.839 young man don't be something in this music, he gonna 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.320 be a force. Yeah. Absolutely. As you're pursuing the dream, 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.919 you realize that, you know, you need to write pieces 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:03.040 together to continue the journey. And when you're young, you 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.160 might not be seeing that far ahead like a lot 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.200 of cats might have, you know, seen it like that. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.320 But you know, from the early days of hip hop 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.440 so to speak, not that early, but you know, the 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:17.800 first ten years. So it's like, you know, at that time, 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.760 it was just about making the music and and and 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:25.840 and coming together and and doing what we do. So 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.560 of course, yeah, definitely when we met Quick. When I 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.560 met with Quick and we did that little audition being 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.760 on me for Tweet, I knew he was somebody that 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:36.800 was he was the missing piece and you know what 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:38.560 I'm saying or what we was trying to do because 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.880 we had dealt with other DJs and other situations and 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.800 you know, uh, me and Tweet wasn't really we hadn't 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.080 been together that long at that time, but at least 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.760 about a year or two maybe at the most. But 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.640 we knew that that your boy Quick was what we 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.720 was looking for to make us complete. You know, somebody 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.280 that coming to the clicking and be what you know, 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.160 apparently the other cats that had their DJ and the 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.880 music maker part of that click, you know, Dads and 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.280 Jeff and then being and you know what I'm saying, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.360 cats like that, because that's really where he was how 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.680 we was moving. And of course Dre, you know, Dre 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.279 was was one of the greatest influences, oh Quick, you 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.400 know what I'm saying. Dre and East, you know, they 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.760 really was like the cats he wanted to be. You 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.960 know this time who bubbling in l A. You said, 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.560 it is early is eighty. It's a d A. So 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.279 you know n w A was doing that thing, you 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:37.640 know a little Yeah, I'm saying like we know in 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.760 w A, but like, who's some people who didn't make 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.520 it to the surface. But y'all still looked at at 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.360 the time like hey, this group or this person could 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:50.600 possibly be right behind in w A. Um Man, I 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.960 don't know if a cat even gave us type of 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:54.840 thing I thought. You know, we was in the circle 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:56.839 of a lot of artists though, you know, we were 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.200 you know, dealing with you know, battle cat was in 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:04.760 the cut um. There was some cats over there, uh 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:10.080 around the corner double trouble um, you know, some neighborhood cats. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:11.520 You know what I'm saying. There was a lot of 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.760 things going on at the time, but the focus really 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.599 wasn't on what other cats was doing. It was on 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.040 when we was doing. You know I heard that man 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:23.159 let me ask you this him, So when did you 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:27.919 guys become the Penthouse players? Click? Cool, Well, that was 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.200 something I was moving with before I even got involved 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.599 with TWE, before I even got involved with Quick. Because 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.680 you know, when you're younger, especially coming up in the 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:42.839 era we come up in. If you ain't gangbanging. You 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.680 You ain't doing nothing. And I wasn't gangbanging, you know 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.680 what I'm saying. So I wanted to be a part 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.159 of something that I could you know, represent without getting 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.360 caught up in that gang time, you know, and all 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.600 honest the amount of total his story before. One of 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.520 my partners, man, his name is Mark. I wish I 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.240 could remember his last name. But you know, when I 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.080 was looking for a name for my click, trying to 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:06.600 think of how I wanted to move with this rap 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.640 because I was starting to wrap it, you know, I 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.840 felt like I was real good at it in that potential. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.200 And my boy was walking down the street and I 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.680 see Penhouse Players on the back of his jacket, right, 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.040 and I was like, well, you know, play, I'm gonna 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.599 take that. And I just added original and click and 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.720 and mashed with it, you know, and made it, made 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.840 it famous, so to speak, you know. And I wonder 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:28.760 where my boy at now, man, because I feel like 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.680 I owe him something. Yeah, that's how that happened, man, 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.839 That Penouse Players. I liked it, that name, you know, 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.480 and it was already kind of calling me play a 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:42.080 ham without even you know, knowing that that's the direction 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.520 it was going in, you know what I'm saying. So, 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.080 like one thing that just good out to me. You 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.359 was like very adamant about standing away from the gang 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.200 culture in the gang life. Was that because like you're 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.839 upbringing inside the household. What made you want to stay 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.679 away from gangs at a time where people was rushing 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.320 to be a part of the game. Uh well, I 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.080 wouldn't say that was Russian, but what I would say 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.600 was it it had its appeal. You know, I knew 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.960 some real gangs to catch, some real crypt niggas that 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.480 you know that I admired, you know what I'm saying. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.880 And I knew that I wasn't them, you know, I 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.000 knew that that what my nigga is doing, I'm not 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.520 doing that. But we was, you know, in the neighborhood, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.120 you know. And like I said, whatever neighborhood you grow 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.640 up in, you affiliated with that neighborhood anywhere on some 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.320 level or another. So I just happened to be at 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.440 that time in the thirties, Harlem, and so my niggas 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.400 was Harlem crips, you know what I'm saying. Even though 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.240 when I went to school that lot and you know, 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.920 my original cats. It was main street cats, you know 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.880 what I'm saying, nine eight and all that. But on 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.240 the West Side is where I was living at the time. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:49.240 So my you know, my major affiliation even on my 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.240 niggas is from over there, from Man but um my 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.040 brother's tour as well from Harlem, and so you know, 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:57.760 I knew that wasn't me though. On me, I knew 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.680 what my niggas was doing, I wasn't gonna do. I 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.720 knew when he was hanging out, I wasn't hanging out 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.400 like that, you know what I'm saying. I was on 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.680 something different, but then it was still my catch, you 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.960 know what I'm saying. Yeah, I just didn't you know, 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:11.600 I knew that wasn't mean man. I knew that was 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.160 something I wanted to be a part of. You know. Yeah, 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:18.760 that's that's honorable. Yeah, So let me ask you this him. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:20.920 So you guys went in there, y'all started working with 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:22.920 Quick immediately off the rip on the players, I was 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.080 clicking alum, right, yeah, payers click right. But we're not 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:31.119 necessarily on the album, just music. Just because his his 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:35.200 his style Quick didn't have quite you know, know what 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.600 direction he was gonna go in at the time. You 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.400 know what I'm saying, Quick was saying when he came 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.960 to the click, he wasn't even really rather he was 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:46.760 just doing beats and singing, and you know, but he 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.880 had the potential. You know, you could hear it. It's like, boy, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:51.800 you did that. And he was around one of his 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.600 uncles that was making music, and so you know, he 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.800 was being groomed and teaching himself how to do the 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.080 thing as he was doing. And as far as he saying, 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.240 he was already doing little DJ ship, you know, so 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.959 getting off into the creativeness of the keys. He kind 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.640 of taught himself, but the gift was obviously in it. 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.200 You know a lot of people want to make music. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.840 When he told us he needed this or he needed that, 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.640 you know, like you know, my mom's really looked out 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:23.240 for us man. So you know, between her and my partners, 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.120 that was getting money in the streets. And you know, 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.720 we tell a living that's what we need, thats what 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.640 we gotta do, you know, uh, because we're like, well, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.480 hand whatever you need. When I got your back, you 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.479 know what I'm saying. So we needed a PC equipment, 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:40.200 you know, we get it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, hold, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.960 I don't want you mentioned the importance of the DJ 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.360 back during that time, and a lot of people don't 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:51.280 know that the DJ was actually a really big part 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.880 for the music. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, he was. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.559 He was the one that that kept the crowd interested 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.440 in what you was doing if you wasn't a sexy 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.320 nigger or you know whatever. A lot of cats was. 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.600 You know what I'm saying that you know, certain groups, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.000 I guess the DJ was background, but when he was 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.080 the forefront. You know, a lot of the the DJ's 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.400 name was involved in the name of the group. You 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.000 know what I'm saying. A lot of times it was 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.000 it was the DJ who was the man. You know 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:24.360 what I'm so, just how do you how you moved? 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.199 And we was the click? So you know, even though 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.920 I called myself the lead wrapper or whatever, but you know, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.000 the Click wouldn't have been what it was without Quick, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.120 and Quick wouldn't have been what he is without the Click. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.439 But that don't mean the ship whn't the win and 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.040 did whatever it was gonna do it. I don't mean 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.400 Niggas would have went on to something great. It just 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.600 means that what it is, it is under the great 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.960 influence of each other, you know. Yeah, so not working 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.360 together and y'all become this crew on everything. What's the 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.440 record that you are recording? Y'all saying on all we 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.160 were getting the deal off this one, because eventually y'all 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.320 signed to one of the greatest regular labels in the world, 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.800 which would be Ruthless Records. Right, So what was the 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.520 record that made you all say, hey, we were getting 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.400 the deal off this, we could really do this. We 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.440 got aren't listening piece, let's go, We're ready in a lot, honesty, hommy, 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.640 we had like three deals before we got that, Before 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:22.320 that Penthouse Players Click deal arrived, right exclusive. Yeah, we 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:29.440 we had situations where, uh we were supposed to move 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.280 in a certain direction and it didn't happen. We was 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:37.920 with uh uh together, we were with West Coast Record Distributors, 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:45.079 and that was when Linzo Williams, Unknown DJ, Rudy Party 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:54.160 and Egyptian Lover. Okay, excuse me, let me go back 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.800 to the unknowned DJ real quickly unknowned DJ was known 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.040 for Gaff and Young Brothers publishing in the day. We'll know, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.720 we didn't have that issue. I ain't saying that would 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.680 have happened or wouldn't have happened later. But you know, 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:08.240 that was just the name of the game on me 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.680 when the Cats you know, cast this was following suit 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.640 of what they were told on me. You know that's 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.920 that I mean, if you don't know, you're gonna get got, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.679 you know what I'm saying. So you know, in that situation, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.440 they just wasn't moving quick enough for us, you know, 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:30.440 And so we moved on from that situation to another situation. Okay, Uh, 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.720 that situation we moved on to was a cat named 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:39.840 George Murphy about of eight Mile Road. He was I 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.400 think he was a Detroit cat. But yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.080 that name so familiar when you said we run the West. 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.320 I'm a man, I'm from inster Michigan. That's twenty minutes 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.040 from Detroit. So yeah, I said that name. I'm like, yo, 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.120 that's not kind of familiar. George Murphy was a cats 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.079 you know, trying to make moves me at a studio 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.400 and Peko in l A And so we was locked 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:58.839 in with them for a minute. They put us in 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.280 the big studio and uh, you know, we was making 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.480 music with him. But once again, it was a situation 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.360 where it wasn't moving like it was supposed to move, 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.360 And so we moved on from him as well. You know, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.280 we had a few songs, like when you asked about songs, man, 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.199 you know, like I said, I was the lead rappisode 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.000 most of the music that was really getting the most 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:19.960 attention with Ship that I was rapping on. We had 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.760 a song called small Time Pushing. We had a song 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.640 called Hitting It. We had a song called Baby Wants 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.679 a Bowler. We had a song called My Dust, and 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.280 so we had music that once Quick came together with 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.720 what he was doing with him samples man. Quick, you know, 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.520 was was magic with the way he was sample man. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.319 But like I said, he he followed in the footsteps 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.120 to Dre. I mean, he knew what he wanted to 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.120 do and how he wanted to do it. So he 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.760 took you know, the Dre style mixed in his own thing, 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.480 and then took the easy rap style mixed in his 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.439 own thing, mixed with what we was teaching him and 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.880 showing him and sharing with him, and and that just 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.280 you know, maybe it just grew stronger and stronger and 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.880 stronger and stronger, you know. But you know, we was 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.200 making music and we were man, we had a lot 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.320 of them, you know, Quick had them underground records that 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.920 everybody heard on that red tape. And when he first 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.960 started trying to do that gag bang music, I was 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:10.720 telling me, now, you ain't gonna do that over here, 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:15.120 you know. So um he did it anyway with whoever 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.760 would allow him to do it, you know, And so 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.040 that was bubbling at the time. It's like I was 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.120 just talking to somebody recently about how, you know, my 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.480 main influences that wrapped is you know the Cats from 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.640 you know, the early the mid eighties, you know, the 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.760 Big Daddy Canes and Ko rest WANs and and and 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:38.440 rock Kims and you know, uh, you know them them 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.840 Cats was the catch that that when I came in 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:43.920 the game there as the Cats, I was, you know, 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.960 on the level of trying to you know, be the 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:51.040 peer of you know, not really realizing that the game 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.800 was changing. And then Cats was you know, for lack 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.120 of better terms, that that music was on its way 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.280 out and the new music gangsters it was coming in 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.840 it begins and getting a lot stronger, you know what 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.080 I'm saying. So even if you know the four maps 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:05.960 that Quick and and and second and none was doing. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.160 We have music like that too, and you know, but 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:10.800 that ain't the music that we did when we was 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.280 working on the Penthouse Players Click album. You know, Um, 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.720 we had options to do whatever we pretty much wanted 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.520 to do, man, and they had carte blanche over the 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.320 priority working with Easy and all that. But you know, 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.960 hindsight is, you know, at the time we over there 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.960 the Roofless, we didn't know Dre wasn't gonna be there. 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.640 That this the issue with with Dre and and and 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.720 and Easy and ice Cube. The ice Cube thing, we 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.720 knew about that, but we didn't know that that DRE 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.200 was gone, you know what I'm saying. Until we was 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.720 locked in and we was moving forward, we didn't We 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.160 weren't really aware of you know, because my deal came 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.240 in ninety one, early ninety one. So like I said, 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.360 once again, we don't know the inner workings and things 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.080 that are going on the drama that that Q might 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.600 have brought the priority and you know, all the you know, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.360 the ship that you know you see in the movies. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.160 Now that you're like, oh, that's what happened. You know 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.120 what I'm saying, that we wouldn't wear all the things 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.120 going on at the time. Now listen, you said y'all 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.240 wasn't aware that Dre was moving on. Do you think 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.640 that would have affected joe decision to go to Ruthless 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:16.400 if you had known that, because I mean, I definitely 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.760 think it would have affected Easy's decision to funk with 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.480 us because Easy was really chest moving to get too quick, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.440 you know what I'm saying, and and and and on 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.640 whatever level he wanted to do that on That's what 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:33.200 my my hindsight is telling me. Um. But you know, 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.960 Rufus was the powerhouse. So you know, Easy was gonna 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.840 funk with some people and he was gonna get some things, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.560 going to have rhythm d and whoever else he was sucking. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.880 We're doing music. So you know, Easy was gonna make 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.880 some ship happen no matter what. But he was just 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.000 you know, spreading his wings because you know, the man 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.160 had money and he was still a regular cat, but 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.520 he was just moving with a lot of power behind 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.440 you know. Yeah, I think he would have made different 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.800 decisions now, you know the money talk, so you know, 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:06.960 like I said, only the only difference I would really 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.720 say was I would have actually Easy for more money, 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:10.120 and I think he would have gave it to me 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.840 for me, you know, naive to certain moves and and 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.320 cats wasn't really sharing the whole truth with me about 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.600 what was going on. You know. Uh, you know, things 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.040 went the way they went, you know, So you believe 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.200 Easy was done trying to look at Quick kind of 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:29.640 like as a replacement for dr Drink. Absolutely, I believe that, 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:34.520 you know what I'm saying. And uh, excuse me, smart man, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:39.960 Oh absolutely, bro Um. I can't say nothing bad about Easy, 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.560 and you know what I'm saying. Whatever, I actually Easy 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:44.640 before he gave me when he started having the mishoes 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.359 and then on what he was dealing with, you know, he, 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.160 I mean, we was cool, but you know, I wasn't 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.040 one of his confidence. I wasn't one of the people 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.880 that you know that he looked too too to support 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:56.679 whatever he was doing and how he was doing it. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.480 So you know, I can't expect nothing but for it 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.639 to go to it with understanding what I understand that, 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.560 you know, not the easy in them approach, you guys 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:11.720 with that deal. Um well, yes, and no one of 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:16.520 my partners either he met he met Jerry or he 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.960 met he. I think he met Jerry in a bathroom 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.679 at one of them high powered restaurants or something and 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.040 knew who he was and he jeared that him and 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.000 then one thing led to another. Then Easy expressed interest 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.960 based on the association and affiliation. We was already kind 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.320 of like making move because we had been in a 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:38.119 couple of situations because we were signed me Quick and 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.600 Tweet before Quick got his deal over there with Greedy 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.719 Greg now at profile. Me Quick and Tweet were signed 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.080 together with with Roof with my Roof is with with 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.080 with Heat, with with Sugar and and d O C. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.600 When d OC had his accident and left and was 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.960 doing his own thing was Sugar. It was over there 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:05.080 with a white boy name nah oh Man, I can't 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.520 think of his name, but it was fern Heel to production, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.000 it was bro yet it was furn Heel. Yeah, y'all 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.760 originally was on fern Heel, y'all. One of the first 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.840 group that was on Fern exactly fern Heel. And it 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.000 was funky enough records because it was d O C. 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.560 That Yeah, you know, we learned a lot of history 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.360 this nowhere else well yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's been, 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.160 it's been in the cup, but everybody ain't paying attention, 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:35.040 you know, So when we did that, and then you know, 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.800 we was already making noise and talking ship, you know, 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.320 and when when Quick stepped off with that underground tape 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.160 and did what he did over there with greeting now 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.840 and and then got the deal atrop at profile and 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.280 then he dropped in ninety one like a bomb on 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.040 the game, you know what I'm saying. And then uh, 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.359 second to none came and a MG was in the 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.520 cup with bits better have My money, and high Seat 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.040 was over there affiliated with I'm not your puppet in 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.560 and so we had a whole thing going at that time, 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.040 you know what I'm saying, Where where niggas. If we'd 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.879 have been able to stay together or at least under 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.720 that umbrella, so to speak, we could have made some 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.440 really lovely things happened. But you know, cats agreed the 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:22.560 selfishness and and insecurity, and you know, you know, when 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.399 I was an artist man, that was the camp I 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.399 came through with High Seed, you know. But this is 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.440 like later on and all of them in our real 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.520 lives how powerful it was. But I also saw it 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.919 what in the unity, I think that thing could have 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.800 got kept together because I knew that you were kind 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.320 of like I didn't get to meet you back to then, 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.480 but I knew you was making records. But sugar Free too, Yeah, 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.600 well I was later on in the game because sugar Free, well, 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:46.480 I think wasn't even a part of it in the beginning. 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:51.280 It was locked up, you know what I'm saying. But um, 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.760 by that time, you know, Quick was in a in 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:58.040 a much more comfortable and powerful position. But everybody he 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:02.800 was associating with it a with wasn't necessarily forthcoming with 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.520 with what really needed to be known to build something 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.800 that was you know of the comparison of of Ruthless 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.719 or death Row or or anything like. The niggas wanted it, 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.199 but you know, niggas didn't know how to go about it. 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:17.919 On me, I guess, I mean, you know, I know 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:21.080 I didn't, you know what I'm saying. Now, looked though, 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:25.840 because y'are in y'all, dude eventually land on Ruthless. Talk 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.760 about when that debut nation wide album came out, Like 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.240 what was the reception, what was some of your bigger 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:35.240 markets as the West Coast? Because uh, I'm a lot 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.560 younger than y'all, I'm four years old, but I remember 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.119 them these records coming out of the West coast, you 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:47.600 know what I mean. We had love in the Midwest, 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:51.840 real love in Chicago, Detroit, you know, and down south 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:53.919 we have real love in a lot of places. On 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.200 me because our album Game out, they do number one 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.760 on heat Seekers. So they was pushing the line because 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:02.360 that alliance between it and Easy was something that, you know, 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:04.800 that made noise, you know, and we was like the 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:09.040 group that I was allowed to make that noise, you 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.879 know what I'm saying. But see, the thing was, you know, 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.440 you got business attentions that don't necessarily come to fruition 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.040 because certain people don't want to see it and they 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.080 don't want to share certain truths with you. So you 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.520 might have big ideas but not knowing what to take 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.720 to make them happen. Because initially I wasn't I was 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:30.840 signed alone as Penthouse players. Click Quick wasn't on that paperwork, 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:35.119 Tweet wasn't on that paperwork. I brought that situation together 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.640 because of my ties and affiliations with them, you see 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.560 what I'm saying. And so when it was time to 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:47.919 basically for Ruthless Priority to sign Tweet rather than sign him, 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:51.520 they wanted to amend the Penthouse players click paperwork to 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:53.880 make him a part of that. And it was an 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:56.040 issue behind that because I don't know if they gave 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:58.320 that man some money or not. I know that man 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:00.320 didn't get me no money. I'm saying twee, he didn't 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:02.280 give me no money. But I looked out for tweet 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.560 and gay that nigga's money when he was on my album. 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:08.119 You see what I'm saying. But you know, the bottom 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:11.520 line was the initial thing was to do you know, 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:16.080 Penouse players click tweet Cadillac album, play a hand album, 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.760 and then another Penouse players click album, all within the 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.760 first you know, twelve to eighteen or the two years 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:25.000 to try to build something like that. You see what 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.199 I'm saying. Because we was already locked in because I 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.640 wasn't signed just playing hand me. I was signed as 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.760 Pinouts Players. So even though the branded thing wasn't really 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.480 as big as it is now, it was still a 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:37.639 direction we was trying to go in with what we 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.800 were doing, you know, but we didn't have you know, 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:42.480 I didn't have to management, I didn't have an attorneys, 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:44.520 and I didn't have had a guidance. I didn't have 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.560 all the things that you know, that even the nigga 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:49.439 is right next to me, even nigga's like quick on me, 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.240 he didn't. He didn't put my coattail when it came down. 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:54.800 You know, A you're gonna need this, and you're gonna 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:56.080 need that, and you're gonna need to do this, and 0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:57.440 you're gonna need to do that, you know. And I 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:00.040 probably wouldn't pay no attention to the nick anybody. But 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:02.800 the bottom line was, he didn't even give me that opportunity, 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.320 you know what I'm saying. Couple of things like that, 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:07.320 when the nigga know something and you don't tell us. 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:09.840 Nigga supposed to be supposed to be brothers and he know, 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.000 you know, he know, Oh over there, you're gonna do 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:16.040 your thing. So I'm don't let you go over there, 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.680 you know what I'm saying. That's just the type of 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:20.920 ship we dinner with. Man. You know, I wanted to 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:23.080 ask you about some lyrics to the song man A 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:26.760 quick head and safety something because he mentioned you. My 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.080 niggas playing him and Xina gave me a place to 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.160 stay on my way up from bottom rock bitches starting 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:34.320 to job because my hair is getting longer and games 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:37.320 getting stronger to pull to put my way. That went 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:39.720 and got a job. But by then him Engina really 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.639 started the squad. But whether I should should go or stay, 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:44.840 she told him either he goes and you go. So 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.800 we both was on our way. Yeah, you left your 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:51.800 woman behind quick, nah, bro, I left my woman behind 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:56.399 with her and I were going through. But definitely, you 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:58.680 know that was part of you know what I'm saying, 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:02.000 pursuing your dream and and wanting to be what you 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.360 wanna be, and uh, you know you're dealing with issues 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.359 that you know, who could see you know what I'm saying. 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.239 At that time, It's like, you know, the things we 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:11.720 were doing. You know, I got niggas up in in 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:14.000 my house with my kids, and you know, we're trying 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:15.840 to make music and we're doing with niggas doing We 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:19.400 had pent house players click, so we attracted a certain element, 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.200 you know what I'm saying that niggas in the streets 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.840 doing things. So there's a lot going on at the time, 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.479 a lot of pulling niggas in different directions. You know, 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:30.360 it just was different happens relationship. Excuse me, I said, 0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:34.480 So it was it was kind of more like the atmosphere. Absolutely, 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:36.800 man you know. I mean I I could get into 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:39.239 a whole lot of personal ship as to why you know, 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.359 I think, you know, ship with a certain way that 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.160 they went. But the bottom line is that Nigga telling 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:47.200 the true story. She did actually shoot that ultimatum and 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.320 Nigga away, and I did choose, you know, based on 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:56.000 everything a career and that move when I had that 0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:59.520 option as opposed to I'm gonna stay here and deal 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:02.040 with his mouth, you know, when his mouth ain't serving 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:03.800 me like I really want to be served, you know 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:05.720 what I'm saying. You know, when you yell, you did 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.000 what you do. Man. So you know, me and Geno 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.679 is partners right now. That's one of my best friends. 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.520 You know, do some Joey's other mothers, so you know, 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.000 all bs to the left. You know. The motivation and 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.399 inspiration in this music game is you know, who's to 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:28.080 say what's next? You know? Yeah? Yeah, after the debut 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:31.640 album come out, you're seeing stuff kind of taking off. 0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:34.600 But like you said, you've got bigger ideas and they're 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:36.840 not going their place. Is this turning you off from 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:41.720 the music industry, not from rapping, but from the music industry, Nah, Man, 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.600 it was turning me off from dealing with certain niggas 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:46.440 on a certain level though the show. You know what 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.800 I'm saying when I said niggas, I ain't just talking 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.080 about black man, you know, I'm talking about niggas and 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:57.880 bitches and white black you know. So it's like it's 0:26:57.880 --> 0:26:59.720 like you're dealing with people on a certain level. Like 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:01.600 I said once again, you know, it's difficult to throw 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.480 yourself under the bus on me. But I wasn't the 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.639 easiest cat to talk to. You know what I'm saying. 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.560 I wasn't the easiest person to tell somewhere or God 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:10.560 if you didn't love me and I didn't know it, 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:12.359 and I didn't love you and you didn't know it, 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:15.520 and that on respect and integrity that come with you know, 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:17.240 and my niggas who would have been my niggas that 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.399 would have been able to you know, control certain movement 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:21.760 that was wise enough. You know, they was doing time 0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:24.359 my hustlers, that that was really in a position to 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:28.040 really you know, really like nigga, we're gonna do this. 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.560 Then niggas they was doing other things or they was 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:34.400 you know, they was locked away a range at this time, 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.320 like when this was like more the Ruthless deal was 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:40.159 ninety two, so I was twenty eight, so twenty seven 0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:42.400 because we had that. The album came in ninety two, 0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.080 so I was signed in ninety one. But we was 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:47.639 working with uh, you know, like beginning to making this 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.119 ship happen around eighty eight with me a Quick and Tweet. 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:52.160 When Quick came to be a part of the Click, 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:54.760 it wasn't six months before we got our first record 0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:58.560 deal we get, so that was I was about twenty four. 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:02.000 Then you see what I'm saying. So it wasn't that 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:04.800 you know, and nigga wasn't old enough to know better. 0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.040 It was that a nigga wasn't shown what he needed 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:08.600 to be shown. Was what we was into, was what 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.760 we was into, you know. And so if you wasn't 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.719 that type of businessman or that type of hustler, you know, 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:17.520 if you was allowing yourself to be distracted by the menial, 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.520 trivial things that don't really matter in a in a 0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.479 in a real man's reality, then you're gonna deal with 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:25.160 what you're dining with. Didn't go through what you're going 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.200 through in your priorities, gonna be that what they were, 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:30.280 you know, and then they're gonna tell you're gonna take 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.119 advantage of your ignorance. You know, you got niggas in 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.080 the street getting money, maggas, I was dealing with hustler 0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.480 cats on me in the neighborhood. Niggas that was, you know, 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.000 riding bins and and moving weight. I mean, you know 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.760 what I'm saying. The niggas was giving me money and 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.760 and looking out and and helping. And now I want 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:46.480 to be down with that hand. So even though you 0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:48.360 know how it was back then niggas was gang banging 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.800 and hustling. Niggas wasn't wrapping. Niggas was clowning niggas with 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:52.880 this rap ship you know. Now, you know back then 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.440 maybe two out of twenty niggas or thirty niggas, the 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.680 fifty niggas was working with music and wrapping. You know 0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:00.600 what I'm saying. It was it was fifteen why niggas 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.320 gang banging and tien fifteen niggas hustling, and the rest 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:04.760 of these niggas was trying to do whatever they was 0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:06.840 trying to do. It they was dope things or whatever, 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.160 you know what I'm saying. So the game you're gonna flip, 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:10.880 you know, and you had to really have talent. You 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.240 really have to be saying something back then, you really 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:15.240 had to have all the ducks in the roll, so 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.880 to speak. Everybody didn't sound a like you know what 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.440 I'm saying. When somebody came out, knew they was different. 0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.440 They was they they brought something different to the table. 0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:27.200 You ain't like the ship that's hot, the ship they pushing. Yeah, 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.000 just do that, you know what I'm saying. That ship 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:33.720 changed after Gangster Rap. You know, so how would you 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.240 say that was shaping your sound at the time, because 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.960 y'all had some rancors, but to compete with what was 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:46.840 going on because the death Rowers took off summer ninety 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:50.479 two exactly exactly. But you know, once again, you know 0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.720 the game was changing. You know, it was different things 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.320 in control from from hindsight as far as I'm concerned, 0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.560 And and and when you think about everything that involved, 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.840 that's ball involved in that. You know, death Row was 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.200 was once again another powerhouse. But where's death Row to day? 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:12.240 You know what I'm saying. So with with an understanding 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.680 of of of looking back, you know, of course, I'm 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:18.720 sure you know cats if they had the opportunity, would 0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:21.960 have done things a little different, you know. But at 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.120 the same time you know that this rap game eat 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:29.120 its own man. Well, me and my brother like to 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:30.960 do is we like to correct people when they say 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:34.400 the rap game or the music game, because with games 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.600 you get prizes. With music, that's a business. And if 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:41.320 you think it's a game, then that's why people lose 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:43.400 that it because they don't understand it. It's a business. 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:46.480 Because you just told us, the twenty eight year old you, 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.240 if you knew better, you would have did better with 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:52.080 the business, you feel me. So we always make sure 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.240 to say that people, this ain't the rap game, it's 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.440 the music business. And when you do business that in 0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.240 resort of his money. When you play a game, you 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.800 either win a prize or you lose everything. And too 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.960 many people say the game and they lose everything. So 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:10.440 that's why we say this is the music business. Well absolutely, 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.240 but once again, you know, I respect that perspective a 0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:16.760 thousand percent. But you know, the basketball, you know, league, 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.680 it's a game, and all these different sports is games. 0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:21.920 Boxing is a game. You know what I'm saying, all 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.840 these different it's a game too. But you gotta have 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.000 your business right as somebody around you that got their 0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:30.280 business right otherwise, you know, this this game to eat 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.200 its own, that business and eat its own because you know, 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.840 since the beginning of of of the the exploitation of 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.360 art and other people's talents, you know, this game is 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:43.560 built on people manipulating the ignorance of those with the 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.560 greatest talent. And that's why you've got people like Mike 0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:50.160 and Prints and certain individuals who was like, no, I'm 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.160 I'm bucking against that. And now you got this cat 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:55.600 Kanye who's really like saying, you know, y'all got me 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.880 fucked up, you know what I'm saying. So Kanye is 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:01.920 really one of the you know what I'm seeing his movement. 0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:04.480 He's really gonna bridge the gap, you know, if he's 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:07.800 allowed to, you know, protect himself on the level necessary. 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:11.880 He's gonna bridge the gap between Martin, Malcolm, Matt Good 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:16.800 and Prince and Michael and Mohammed. You know, kanyaking bridge 0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:18.840 that gap. Man. You know what I'm saying, It becomes 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:27.520 tupop Obama. You know what I'm saying. Let me because 0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.080 you was around two of the possibly the greatest, two 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:32.920 of the greatest CEOs black music on the West coast, 0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.440 not just the West Coast of Music, Eric Wright and 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:39.800 Sugar Night Young Shig. Back when fern here was cracking. 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.480 How was his demeanor back then? Was he was he 0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:46.440 the aggressive ship? Was? He wasn't king blood back then? 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.720 That's all I can said. You know what I'm saying. Um, 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.080 it was love and respect, you know what I'm saying. 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:55.239 But it wasn't you know, all that ship wasn't going on. 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:58.440 You know, it wasn't. That wasn't what was popping. You 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:00.440 know what I'm saying. But I guess you know, when 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:02.560 you get to a certain level, you got more options. 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.640 You know, of course, you know, the bigger they are, 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:07.480 the harder they fall. You know, I don't mean, I 0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:10.040 don't mean no disrespect. The ship many showed us loved 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:12.360 and when they didn't move fast enough in the nigger 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.040 step to him and like, look, man, we need to 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:15.520 go with you ain't gonna do what you you know, 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.840 if we ain't gonna do nothing, Shook said, getting my 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.600 money back, and you can go sho man. You know, 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.760 we man his money back and stepped off. And when 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:26.240 we did that, that's when Quick went over there with greedy. 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:29.640 Now and you know it was his shoes behind that 0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:31.400 because you know, we thought we was moving in a 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.240 different direction. But you know, I said, Man, I ain't 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:38.320 mad at about none of that. You know, it's never signed, Greg, No, 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:40.680 I wouldn't signed. I wouldn't with Greedy like that. You 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.640 know what I'm saying. Uh, if it was a lot 0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.200 involved once again, you know what I'm saying. With with 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:51.520 the way Cats was moving and getting down and so huh, 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.280 that could have derailed that move Quickly made with Greedy, 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.400 Gray could have derailed his career because he wanted if 0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:00.600 they have a major problems with profile record, Remember they 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:04.440 had him with suspicion and stuff. Quick made a lot 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:08.919 of decisions from you know how they say, man hurt people, 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.319 hurt people. Quickness probably holding down and holding back a 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.000 lot of pain and frustration and that he felt with 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:18.480 his family and and whatever other relationships and whatever else 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:19.920 was going on the side of his head. On me, 0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:22.080 you know, you know, I don't funk with him like 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:23.600 that right now. So I don't know, you know what 0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:27.000 I'm saying. It saddens me that that, you know, we 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.200 don't have a relationship that we could have had based 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:32.040 on what we had in the beginning. You know, But 0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.239 I'd rather, I'd rather know the truth now then to 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.879 be caught up in with with more to lose than ever, 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.200 because you know, you funk with certain niggas. Man, you know, 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:46.000 you get caught up in the n you know, and 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:47.480 then then you gotta and then they gotta deal with 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:48.719 a lot of ships. I don't have to deal with 0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:50.920 On me. I don't look show in these streets. On me, 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.800 I don't worry about things. And nigga's worried about a 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:55.799 walk in places. They might not know who I am, 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:57.640 but if they find out my name, I ain't worried 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.279 about the nigga running up on me with a big ship. 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.400 You know what I'm saying now? Now, I don't know, 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:04.960 you know what the future whold, But I don't know 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.160 the bottom line is, you know. I just you know 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:09.680 Burton No Bridge is a fund over nobody man that 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:12.279 that I'm worried about coming back at. You know what 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.920 I'm saying. Yeah, I looks earlier. You mentioned like you 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.080 like with Jinna. You've got two sons. Do any of 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:23.520 your children do music? Young Johns man, I'm there the 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:38.120 l a Johns Now then you know, yeah game on me? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.400 My boys. Man, both of them is my son? Tell me? 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:43.640 And uh yeah, you know it's been steal from them, 0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:45.200 you know the very beginning. I'm not one of the 0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.160 cash that don't want my niggas to do what I 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.759 did better, you know. I mean, you know, you look 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.160 at Caster's got their boys and their children up in 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.359 this game, and they only want them motherfucker's to blow up. Man, 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.239 It's like, niggah, I ain't touching that, you know what 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.120 I'm saying. Yeah, because people gotta know that you and 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:03.879 your son on his corner when they come to this ship. 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:07.360 Because the whole reason that somebody wouldn't be like you 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.480 can only take it so far, right. If I'm a 0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.920 I only reached where the people allowed me to go. 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:15.640 If my kids can take the be time and be 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:17.960 the best in the world, guess what that is, y'all. 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:20.120 Manager not because I haven't seen this ship and I 0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.640 ain't gonn let it happened, y'all. And when I tell 0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:25.680 you that, when I tell you that they beached dog, 0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:28.480 you could tell that they was reared under some truth. 0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:35.440 I'm seeing the monsters and you know steal now. You 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:37.560 know I'm man now, and I'm pretty sure you know 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.000 their dad man. Of course he overseeing everything. But I 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:41.960 managed the man then is my little monsters, and we 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.120 got something. We got something brewing because the things people 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:49.200 don't understand these labels, the way the record labels work today, 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.440 Like I ain't gonna putting the stuff out there, and 0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:53.520 now I will be talking to some people actually right now. 0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:57.440 But when you talk, even if even when you're talking 0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.480 to the head dude that for the record lay them, 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.680 he has to have certain people in that building there's 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.759 gonna be willing the journey on his cause with him. 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:07.480 So when he brings that record up and say I 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.759 want to sign this group, you gotta remember when you 0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.080 say you can sign a group, you're committing to a 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.000 lot of money and a lot of resources. So you 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.480 want to make sure that whole building is on board 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.439 with your decision that you make. So right now we're 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:22.680 floating through one of the major buildings, Dog and just 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:24.920 kind of like letting everybody putting their ears some stuff. 0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:27.440 And right now we're getting good feedback. Though, But it 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.080 ain't as easy as people think. When you go to 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.399 get a record deal, Dog, it's gotta be a lot. 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:38.960 Even if people didn't do especially when the game, the business, 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:45.560 it's prone to funk over you. Yeah, if you allow it, 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:48.400 you see what I'm saying. So if you're coming in 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.879 and they know and I am there to fund him, 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.640 so then the question becomes do I even want to 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:56.880 be involved and do I want to see him with something? 0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:00.920 Because I'm gonna be able to manipulate that situation the 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:04.879 way I'm used to, especially with our own thing kind 0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:06.919 of because we already got a river, got a million 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:10.160 views on it before we even took somebody's giving a place. 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.399 You know, we come up in there, it ain't gonna 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:19.120 be just We're not just saying anything. It's softened. You 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.439 know what I'm saying. It's uh, it's it's legitimate. It's 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:26.239 not it's not something that's just just just docked it 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:28.719 up and you know, blowing up in your face. You 0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:31.160 think it's something that's not. It's not that fit now, 0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.799 you know what I'm saying. It ain't. It's that real ship, 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:37.719 you know. So it's like a situation where you know, 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:39.319 we just want to we really just want to deal 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:41.200 with people that feel like we feel and roll with 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:43.359 people that roll like we're doing right now. I feel 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:44.879 like that's what we're doing. You know what I'm saying 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.880 that everybody who get involved, you know, I feel like, 0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:49.879 you know, they want of us. You know what I'm saying. 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.879 We all cut of the same cloth, from from a 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:55.400 from a different motherfucking pattern, you know what I'm saying. 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.879 But it's all love, you know what I'm saying. So 0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:03.480 it's a situation where it's too much potential in what 0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:08.520 we're doing for Nikkas to not appreciate and respect. How 0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:12.400 are we coming in this motherfucker this time? You know? So? 0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.439 So I noticed you had said that you don't really 0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.239 rock with quick right now? Is this a situation where 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:23.200 that can be rectified with a conversation? Man the man? Uh? 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:30.320 Can it be rectified with a conversation? Man the man? No? 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.840 But what it can do, what it can do is 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.919 established right what it can do was established a fair 0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:44.080 exchange in the moment, Yeah, and then the next fair exchange, 0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:48.640 and then the next fair exchange. Because you know, I 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:50.360 don't know what he trusts a how he move, but 0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.799 who around and what they do? Yeah. So you know, 0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.359 you walk into grocery store and you know, as long 0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:58.239 as they don't stink and it ain't too dirty. You 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:00.359 go over to the butcher. You know you you're gonna 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.800 trust that when whatever you buy, it's gonna it's gonna 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.359 be healthy for your family. Yeah. Now I'm gonna tell 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:08.280 you why I ask that too, right, I asked, because 0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.279 your son is coming up in the game. They yeah, 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.200 I at l A. I mean I talked to people 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.839 all the time. I say, what's your dream collaboration, If 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.319 you can get one producer. I always hear one or 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:21.479 two producers. When the people coming from the West Coast, 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:23.920 it's either gonna be dre or it's gonna be Quick. 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:27.680 And I asked that because when that time come, I 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.640 would hate for Quick to not be one hunted and 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.480 work with the next up and coming because he got it. 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:38.239 Oh issue what they did because play but I'm a 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:42.239 little him break that down. Well, if Quick wanted to 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:46.640 see Nikkas with something moment, he the best single. Yeah. See, 0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.520 people can say whatever they want to say from a 0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:53.320 lack of understanding or lack of knowledge. But quickly that 0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:57.440 his own record label, Man System, quickly put out music 0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:02.000 whenever he wants to. We got next ships with radio stations. 0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:06.240 Quick can do whatever you want to do. And obviously 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.319 that's what he do. Now, if he ain't putting nobody out, 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.640 he's been at a label for twenty years. If he 0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:14.799 ain't putting no artists out. And no, he didn't put 0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.960 out Second or nine. No, he didn't put out ship Free. 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.240 No he didn't put out most birds. No, he didn't 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:26.480 put out nobody but himself. So if he wanted to 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:30.239 do more, he would, you know what I'm saying. So 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.239 if he ain't funning with niggas, you know, I have 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:36.120 some other niggas, some real artists. If they've been around him, 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:40.880 you ain't. Niggas might be honest and niggas might be 0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:43.360 like man, I ain't touched. You know what I'm saying. 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:48.640 It's like man, you know on the eight seven eighty 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:51.799 eight Man my big Joe west Man. He thirty four, 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:54.560 thirty five years old. Now he was a baby when 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:57.560 Quick came around, hold me DJ Quick Talk, du Smack, 0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.239 how to ride a bike on me? And there what 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.160 I'm saying he was, he was, That's who he was 0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:04.840 in our reality. Like I said, he's slept in the 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.320 room with my sons and they were babies home you 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:11.360 understand little boys. So you know, if he wants to 0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:14.759 see niggas with something and he want to collab He man, 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:16.600 I don't stay cracked for the real ones on me 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.640 way where I mean, we stayed ready for whatever, you know. 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:21.880 So if the man want to do some business and 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:23.759 do some work, we could do some work. But he 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:26.920 ain't gonna come with that, you know, nothing less than 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.319 what we come with it. You know what, either need 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:31.520 to come to the table like that because you know 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:35.080 the situation was was was you know, a lot of 0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:37.160 truth should have been shared that wasn't, man, And I 0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:38.759 can't be mad about that because I should have went 0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:43.319 elsewhereing got it. But at the same time, moment, you know, quick, 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.440 did you know sell me a house with no interests? 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.200 You know what I'm saying, with no no mark up? 0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.959 You know what I'm saying. So you know he sold 0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:54.000 it to a nigga with the equity in it. So 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.759 I can't be mad. But when you know, when it's 0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.320 all boiled down to what's real? Hom me, quick, No, 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:01.239 what's real? And and you know I know what's real? 0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:05.000 You know, Yeah, that's understandable you don't, but yeah, I 0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:06.719 had to ask that though, because that's what the people 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.640 were don't want to know we're funk with quick If 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:11.200 Quickly want to funk with us, we ain't gonna We 0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:13.680 ain't gonna put no cut on the second. Yeah, we 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:16.560 ain't gonna serving nigga. No, no, no sixty four, no 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:20.080 fifty fifty ft sixty's gonna serving nigga thousand a thousand, 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:23.040 you know. And it ain't like that. Then we don't 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:26.080 even need to play with each other's intelligence, you know. Yeah, 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:28.160 let me ask you because I was asking you about 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.920 the CEO s Man. Yeah, because I knew a lot 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.400 of stuff about Easy though, a whole lot of stuff. 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:38.680 It's Easy was a joker, the funniest people around. What 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:42.320 was your relationship like with Easy Man? Easy was like 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:47.520 I'm my recollection is He kept at business. But he 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:52.520 wasn't you know, he wasn't overbearing. He wasn't he didn't 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:56.040 consider himself above and nigga. He considered the nigga as 0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:59.719 his peer, right, But at the same time, he knew 0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:01.920 who he was and how much was was back in him, 0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:04.520 you know what I'm saying. And so it wasn't like 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:09.319 he gave me, you know, the game. He gave Quick 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.360 more game than he gave me. You know, I was 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:15.320 an artist. I was his artist. Yeah, that's what I 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.000 was gonna say. Is it because him and Quick um 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:23.400 build a different relationship like hung together more because you 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:26.080 was the artist where you just do cutting records and leaving. 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:32.000 Oh absolutely absolutely brouh. Like I said, I wasn't there 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:36.680 right And a lot of this is speculation in just 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:43.879 my opinion, but Quick Easy desired that relationship with Quick 0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:49.960 and Pentouse players. Click was away to facilitate that, you 0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:53.759 know what I'm saying, that's my opinion, right, So I 0:44:53.920 --> 0:45:01.560 know that, you know, even if Quick wasn't going to 0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:05.920 Easy or he was, I know Quick, I mean, I 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:07.880 know Easy with the type of cat. When I found 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:12.400 out that Easy and Quick had the same accountants, you 0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:14.320 see what I'm saying. I couldn't have the same accounts 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:18.640 because I'm as artist. You know. When I found out 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:20.680 that Easy and Quick had the same accounts, that wasn't 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:25.560 because of Quick, that was because Easy. Because that meant 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.040 Easy said I'm gonna put you on I'm a lot, 0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:30.120 I'm to help you with something. I'm gonna help you. 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:34.360 You see what I'm saying. Because Quick obviously needed what 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:37.759 Easy represented, and he gravitated towards that on one level 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:41.160 or another. But Easy was a smart man on you 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:42.719 know what I'm saying that you can't the same thing 0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.799 about about should Should was smart to do what he did, 0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.040 but then a lot of ship wasn't so smart. You 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:50.000 know what I'm saying. We all of us are like that. 0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:52.960 We make a lot of wise ship wise moves, and 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:54.800 then we make a lot of stupid moves. You know 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:58.200 what I'm saying, not so wise moves. You know that 0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:00.640 when you was over a roofless am did ask some 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:04.120 good producers. You mentioned Rhythm d I know DJ Bob 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.000 Kenny came in there at one time. It's like the 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:10.759 here producer in your head. Um, y'all asked some mother 0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:14.480 cash to above and law which game he has? Another 0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:16.399 mistake I made het me see, I should have sunked 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:18.719 with them niggas back then. I had actually that sucking 0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:22.879 with a lot of people. You know, um um, when 0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:25.359 I already asked me who I wanted to like do music, 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:27.600 But I think the only person I said was scar Face, 0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:29.399 you know what I'm saying. So they're trying to put 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.280 that together. But you know I could have said anybody. 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.000 I could have said rock can't I could have said 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:38.600 kr Res, I could have said, all my label makes 0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:40.520 the priority, you know what I'm saying, whoever was over 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:42.719 there doing their thing, But that ain't what I did, 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:45.560 you see what I'm saying, So that's on me. But 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.200 at the same time, you know, our album was produced 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.520 exclusively by DJ Quick, with one song by battle Cat 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:55.239 that that they ultimately gave Quick the credit for, and 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:57.080 that was just to keep your attention, you know what 0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.440 I'm saying, plus a little production that I did because 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:01.279 I was playing in with it, and then Quick just 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:03.839 basically screwed and and did what he did and made 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:07.160 it do what it do, which was jealous knuckleheads. But 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:12.960 the bottom line is, you know, back then, things were different. 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.520 You know a lot of things were different. It was 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:22.400 only you know, it was only it was limited ways 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:26.400 to make it happen. Now it's it's pretty much unlimited ways. 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:28.759 But it's still a limitation as far as going to 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:31.560 that next level. You gotta really, you know, hit the 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.399 lottery to go to the next level without some associations 0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:37.480 or filiations with something that's already tracked. You know. Now 0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:39.400 I'm gonna talk about some I'm gonna talk about some 0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.479 crazy stuff. And this ain't I ain't trying to pitch 0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:45.520 nobody off of them the East to play with the 0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:47.359 Uigi boards around you. Did you ever hear about them 0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:50.439 playing I didn't. I didn't. I didn't see that side 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.640 of him moment. My my opinion isn't Easy was working 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:55.440 with that. He just didn't know what he was working with, man, 0:47:55.480 --> 0:48:00.279 because he thought it was a game or a joke. Huh. 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:03.359 But you had heard that before though, right, I heard 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:05.640 something to that extent that he toyed with that. You 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.800 know what I'm saying. You know that was one of 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:10.920 the things people, and I'd like to ask people it 0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:14.279 was around Easy because nobody will ever come on camera 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:15.680 and see it. And I ain't saying that, you know, 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.000 because am you? You didn't mess with him like evidently 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:26.800 m uh yeah. People tell me he missed with that 0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:28.600 doing it might have been him because he was a jokester. 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:34.279 Right Still, that's your favorite easy question. Anybody who was 0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:37.799 around Easy to eat, that's your favorite question to ask. Well, 0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:39.880 I mean, you know, when it comes to spiritual things, man, 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:41.800 everybody got their way, they get out, you know what 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:47.279 I'm saying. Uh, ship happens man, Uh I wasn't near them, 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:51.640 I didn't have I didn't know, I didn't have to 0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:55.440 deal with none of that that negative energy. Man, Thank goodness, 0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:57.680 that's probably do one that wants a kid to my mom, man, 0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:00.759 praying over my life and my reality on so my 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:03.360 mother and the people that you know, in spite of me, 0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:05.840 you know, not doing what they told me to do, 0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.520 and and still doing what I did, but still being 0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:10.359 blessed to make it through, you know what I'm saying, 0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:13.240 and not be caught up. You know, never called no case, 0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:16.600 never called no d y, you know, never never got 0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:19.239 you know, never been on child support for more than 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.279 a couple of months till I handled that business, you 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:24.239 know what I'm saying. So it's I'm blessed to be 0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:26.000 the made it through to this point. You know what 0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:32.680 I'm saying. Do not lets just where did you land 0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:36.600 after the Ruthless album? Because you didn't. I can tell 0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:38.919 to this day you never stopped making music. So where 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:42.520 did you land and what type of uh? How did 0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:47.120 you feel about the industry after You're done? Had everything 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.719 far as a number one record? Because it's it's mad 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:53.439 niggas who wrapped everybody can't say they had a number 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:57.040 one record hunt yeah, even though it wasn't not hellable, 0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.960 but anyway, no, no, no, no man, no down't play 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:04.480 you never because that was number one, even even do 0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:06.960 the heat Seekers even exists. Now, it's just all love. 0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:08.279 You know, I ain't trying to make it sound like 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.000 I ain't. I ain't grateful, you know, I really am 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:12.880 on me and it just blow me to it what 0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:15.719 I fucked up. But anyway, let's just keep you know. 0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:19.400 It's like it's like, you know, I deal with with 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:21.920 some mohomies on some love ship, my nigga Charlie and 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.839 j T. We had Excel Records, you know what I'm saying. 0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:29.239 And uh that was around the Sugar Free time, right 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:31.359 when I was making music, and I did some really 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:33.719 good music with my niggas. You know. Then after that, 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:36.719 I was over there at uh working with Brainstormer and 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:39.120 like a big bot, and then Greedy was involved to 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:43.520 a certain extent. It's another, you know, another story. But 0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:48.120 but anyway, Uh so I bounced around, kept making music 0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:50.799 and kept trying to you know, affiliate with different ships 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.279 and you know, making music here, guesting here, guesting there. 0:50:53.560 --> 0:50:56.800 But I never really uh you know, pushed like like 0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:58.920 I like I probably should have been could have you know. 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.160 But you know, you know, when my sons became of 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:04.680 age and we started really trying to you know, plug 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:06.200 them in. So you know, they got music with some 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:09.239 high powered cats. They got music with Glasses, they got 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:11.720 music with Jelly Roll, they got music with Black Token, 0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:14.600 they got music with UH Day One, they got music 0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:19.160 with UH Battle Cat. You know what I'm saying. They 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:22.680 got music with with UH, with a lot of different niggas. Man, 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.440 they're working on music with other cats. And so you know, 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:29.080 my niggas has grown men, and I'm proud of them 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:31.080 and what they're doing and how they represent, you know, 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:33.880 to the next level, you know. And so you know, 0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:36.799 I've always tried instilling them to stand on their own 0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:38.759 and be their own and do their own thing, you know. 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:41.960 And so all I was just give them everything that 0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:44.000 I got to give them and allowed them to pick 0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:45.520 and choose of it what they want to take and 0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:47.200 what they want to leave there. I can't be mad 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:51.160 at you know. Let me ask you this, man, So 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.440 you know that Sugar Free came in on the tail end, 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:57.640 what did you think of Royal Rock when you first 0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:03.200 heard you knew came in as Royal Rock. First. I 0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:05.960 liked the stabb of the comedic way he wrapped about 0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:07.440 that pimp and in the way he did this thing. 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:09.719 It was, it was real clever, you know what I'm saying. 0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:12.520 It was I had to respect it. And then when 0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:15.959 he gave me so much love, you know what I'm saying, 0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:18.560 and allowed me to be a part of that debut project. 0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:21.080 You know, it was the most eyes I've never had 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:23.399 on anything I've ever done. You know, that's the most 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:25.239 radio player I ever got on the song I ever 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.600 been on, you know what I'm saying. So so even 0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:30.600 though I got cut out, you know, of of a 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:32.560 lot of that because that ship blew up bigger than 0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:34.799 they thought it was, you know, because on the original version, 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:37.600 I got the whole second verse, you know what I'm 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:39.960 saying on the video And I don't even know I 0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:42.560 got cut out like that until I showed up at 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:45.919 the video shoot uninvited. Nig didn't even tell me about 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:47.640 the video shoot rom you know what I'm saying. I 0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:50.239 just happened to find out through some other niggas and 0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:53.879 pulled up ready to go, and I'm like, I don't 0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:57.560 even trip off Nigga is not telling me right what 0:52:57.600 --> 0:52:59.440 I'm telling you. When they start playing the song on 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:01.680 me and I'm thinking it was time for my verse 0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:05.440 and make a sicker free start rapping again, I was 0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:08.200 kind of shocked, you know what I'm saying. Of Course, 0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:10.719 I still played my position and did my thing, you know, 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:12.680 and waited to see if I was on the third 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:15.520 verse still or not. You know what I'm saying. That 0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:17.600 was a That was a heavy Uh. That was a 0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:20.040 heavy blow man. I took that though. You know, now 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:25.960 who think who? Who? Who? I think made that decision? Yeah, 0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:31.160 it had to be the hierarchy over there at Shepard Lane, 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:32.560 you know what I'm saying. It had to be they 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:36.200 had to agree to uh stand CHEVD Tony Lane dj 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.680 uh the other cat naming was involved. You know, it 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:42.359 had to be him on. You know what I'm saying. 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:46.800 They had to do that together. They had and didn't 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:48.600 not tell me though as it's funked up, they could 0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:50.880 have told me. I wouldn't. You know. It's a trick man, 0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:54.240 how that ship go. A lot of that be because 0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:57.920 when when they be when people be doing them slide 0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:01.120 bar move. I'm just saying overall in the industry, they 0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:04.880 forget people grown man. You could just tell me, bro, hey, 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:07.279 look we're going in a different direction, because the hard 0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:09.719 feeling is gonna be created when you just take me 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:12.560 off and don't tell me about the video. You could 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:14.719 have just told me, pind of like, look, we're going 0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:17.239 in a different direction. I'm sure you would have respected that. 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:19.520 You might have been upset, but you would have respected 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:23.760 it more you feeling. I mean, of course, I wouldn't 0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:25.880 have had no choice, you know what I'm saying, Just 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:29.200 like I didn't have no choice right there. But at 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:35.120 the same time, you know why even though you know 0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:39.120 it's like it's it's moved now, but but but why 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.319 do that? It ain't like they made the record better 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:44.959 taking me taking me off, because the record was already moving, 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:49.680 right record on that you know, like the most that 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:51.480 was the record that I said, that's the one that 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:53.080 put him on the map. You know what I'm saying. 0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:55.759 You don't know what we're talking about about if you 0:54:55.800 --> 0:55:03.239 stay ready, yeah, exactly. So it's like it's like it 0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:05.400 ain't like I didn't do my thing on that record, 0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:10.279 you know what I'm saying. So I feel, you know, 0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:12.040 in all honesty, and I'm gonna just say it. I 0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:14.759 feel like niggas didn't want me to shine. You know 0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:16.680 what I'm saying. They didn't want me to get that 0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:20.600 Shoine because I wasn't locked in no situation with them 0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:25.600 and had that ship allowed me the opportunity to blow 0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:31.200 from a from that the whole second verse, that level. 0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:34.319 You know what I'm saying it If they didn't, they 0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:40.279 couldn't control that were you want excuse me, you want 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:42.839 being in that video though? Right, yeah, I was there 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:45.239 and I was in the video. I'm still in the 0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:47.880 third verse. They still gave me my few bars in 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:50.279 the third verse, and I'm still there, you know what 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:52.440 I'm saying. But just like on the original version of 0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:55.200 the album version and say shippar Free, We'll play a hand. 0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:58.440 But when they remixed it and say sugar Free with 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:02.879 DJ Quick, you see what I'm saying, saying telling y'all 0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.120 to stay ready, you ain't gonna get ready. So that's 0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:09.359 the radio version, But my verse was already radio y'all. 0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:11.440 I was already ahead of the game when it came 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:13.239 to that. I'm like, man, I mine, I'm wrapped. I'm 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:15.239 not gonna just cuss on ship no more. But they 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:17.560 gotta you know, now, I'm gonna make my ship radio 0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:19.480 or still keeping, you know, make niggas think they got 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:22.200 cutched out, you know what I'm saying. But the bottom 0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:26.440 line is, you know that was that was in addition 0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:29.040 to whatever business move they thought they was making. They 0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:30.920 didn't want me to shine on me like that on me. 0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:34.200 They just took that shine from you. But you know 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:39.120 because you mad at none of the niggas, man, because 0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:41.960 I don't think black I don't think black tune. Honestly, 0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:43.680 I don't think that was his get done. I don't 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:48.680 think he even cared about ship like that. Really well, 0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:56.520 he was. He's the lane of Shepherd Lane. You know 0:56:56.560 --> 0:57:02.280 what I'm saying. You know you like that. He damned 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:07.880 I don't do him like that. You know what. We're 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:10.160 cool at fuck, but that ain't my big on you 0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:13.239 know what I'm saying. And it's when the business come 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:16.200 into because you start talking about publishing, split some songs now, 0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:19.120 and the song was performing really well, so it's easy 0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:20.560 for them to say, hey man, we do on this, 0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:23.240 do quick publishing, and we got this cat play him 0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:24.800 and then he gotta have the pups on that song. 0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:29.440 We need to change that exactly, Brox. That's that's where 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:33.360 the business coming into that public issue today. You know 0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:37.280 what I'm saying. That's still because the original version still 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:39.080 is what it is, you know. But it's still a 0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:41.360 issue when it comes to that owner ship right now, 0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:44.800 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so you ain't so 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:46.720 let me ask you this then, because that was a 0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:48.920 big record and you didn't get your publishing off that 0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:51.000 song like he was supposed to go. I didn't get 0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:54.040 my whole peace, I gotta I got a portion, but 0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:56.520 I didn't get my whole portion, because that would have 0:57:56.600 --> 0:58:00.520 been a nice little check about that time. Though it 0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:02.840 was coming nice at first, you know what I'm saying, 0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:05.360 and then all of a sudden the numbers got changed. 0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:07.200 And when I send my people to check it out, 0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:09.720 he said, the numbers changed, And I'm like, well, who 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:11.040 does that? Where do you do that? How do they 0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:13.560 do that? You know what I'm saying. So you know, 0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:15.600 it's still an issue right now that that's got to 0:58:15.640 --> 0:58:21.960 be hired out, you know. But now, look, where do 0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:25.040 you get your nickname from? Because you you l A 0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:28.919 it's usually something different. You can you play in hand 0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:31.280 like where where that comes? Well, you know, in high school, 0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:33.360 ho me my boy j B. Man, my brother from 0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:35.640 another mother Man and the cat I've been looking up 0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:39.040 to ever since we've been adults. Man for everything he represents. 0:58:39.440 --> 0:58:42.400 He uh you know, I had a business partner of mine. 0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:46.360 Um he gave me that name hand right because in 0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:50.160 the high school band, uh, we all we play Susie 0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:52.959 together and so when the when the when the band 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:56.320 conductor would call on somebody from our section to play 0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:59.520 a certain section of the song, I would always raise 0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:01.360 my hand, Oh hey, I play it. I played and 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:03.080 just start playing it because I could play. You know 0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:06.919 what I'm saying, read music, and everything sues the phone 0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:11.120 tooba okay, yeah, so you know the base on so 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:14.440 uh you know, and it would say, look at the 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:16.760 big hand. You know what I'm saying, the big hand. 0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:18.919 So they just start calling me big hand at first, 0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:21.520 you know what I'm saying. And then from there as 0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:25.160 you know, a nigga demeanor and approach to the reality 0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:28.880 mature the player. Things just came in. Play her hand, 0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:31.320 look at play her hand, and it just it's stuck. 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:34.240 You know what I'm saying. It wants the Nigget discovered 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:37.160 that click name Homie and what I said seeing the 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:39.680 homie with the jaggon on and and added the mother 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:42.920 descriptive narrative to it. You know what I'm saying, It 0:59:43.040 --> 0:59:46.360 became you know something I still represent to this day. 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:51.040 You know it was the penthouse players. Click. You gotta 0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:54.360 tell me that you had a penhouse before? Right? Excuse me, 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:57.920 I said you had a penhouse before? Right? Everywhere I 0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:01.960 dwell with the penthouse on that for the doghouse, the penhouse. 1:00:02.000 --> 1:00:05.240 Don't know what I'm saying. Yeah, every everywhere out to live, 1:00:05.320 --> 1:00:07.320 they can call it the penhouse. I mean, if if 1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:10.160 I just post up for a moment, maybe it's the penhouse. Now, 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:15.480 it's all I want to go back to something real quick, Man, 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:19.600 because I think you're very underrated as well as above 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:21.720 the law. I don't think above the law getting nowhere 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:24.960 near the credit that they should get man. Because they 1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:27.560 were very not seeing that Drake would never be d 1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:29.960 as the ship as there was DJ Quick. We can't 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:36.040 never get that confused. But hutch gold Mac and letm 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:41.680 care some was conbusive for them dog Drake because they 1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:44.840 talked Warren g gotta produce yeah, they got some ship 1:00:45.000 --> 1:00:47.120 from them dogs and don't do the ship. I think 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:49.240 y'all could have did some incredible ship, ain't them? Hey? 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.280 And we still can on me, I'll foxed with hutch 1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:52.960 you know what I'm saying. We just ain't. We did 1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:56.040 a little something a couple of times, but our foxed 1:00:56.080 --> 1:00:58.280 with hutch Man, we were gonna probably put something together 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:03.760 again real soon. Man. My brother was intern in Psychopathic 1:01:03.880 --> 1:01:06.800 Records and he was there the day that they signed 1:01:06.920 --> 1:01:09.640 hutch And he was the only person in the office 1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:12.720 besides I c P who knew who Hud you was? Bro? 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:16.840 Wow was that be? That was after Ruthless? This was 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:19.720 way after Ruthless? This was this was way after Ruthless 1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:25.880 Hutching Like, huh fo No, it probably was about ten 1:01:26.120 --> 1:01:30.360 for real, for real, it's more than ten. But huh, 1:01:30.880 --> 1:01:33.240 I remember when he signed over there. Ye, my brother 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:35.480 was the only person in the office. He was like, Bro, 1:01:35.640 --> 1:01:37.880 you you you hut from a bud of law. Hud 1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:40.680 couldn't believe it, you know, the only person who knew 1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:46.280 who he was. Yeah, that's why they got a hold 1:01:46.360 --> 1:01:49.040 different fan base, type of crowd exactly. But when you 1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:51.280 play their music, man, you know, you know where it 1:01:51.360 --> 1:01:54.160 came from home, and you know they influenced on me 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:56.600 and and Hutch been real humble about that, but at 1:01:56.640 --> 1:01:59.560 the same time passes progressive with it, you know. But 1:02:00.360 --> 1:02:02.240 he really, you know, he know what he can do, man, 1:02:02.280 --> 1:02:04.760 and he still do it, you know, fearlessly. You know 1:02:04.800 --> 1:02:06.960 what I'm saying, number love and respect for hus Man 1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:12.000 plan on me. I'll respect that, the whole Promona car Man, 1:02:12.640 --> 1:02:16.600 Niggah Pipping Young, even that nigga Percy Man. You know, 1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:21.360 you know I got love for them niggas man, you know, yeah, 1:02:21.440 --> 1:02:24.520 for real real man. Well, man, I appreciate you coming 1:02:24.600 --> 1:02:27.280 on brother. He's log I gotta say my nigga weel log. 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:32.000 I can't do it. I can't talk at where can 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:34.160 people get at you? At him? Man? You know what's 1:02:34.200 --> 1:02:36.800 that Pinouts playing ham on me on all the platforms 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:38.640 on me, and you know I'm about to, you know, 1:02:38.800 --> 1:02:41.880 set off this other podcast thing to man, the pay opinion. Man. 1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:44.640 I've been pushing though little sprinkles here and there, but 1:02:45.120 --> 1:02:46.920 you know I'm gonna have to have my niggas come 1:02:47.040 --> 1:02:50.280 up with me on mine too. You know, whatever help 1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:52.000 you need for much man, you let me know. I'm 1:02:52.080 --> 1:02:55.000 for sure, baby, I appreciate it. Man, you know what 1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:58.760 we do. What I'm saying here, everybody, ladies and gentlemen 1:02:58.840 --> 1:03:02.200 clear him, like thank my boyfriend company in and gets 1:03:02.240 --> 1:03:03.920 hold some with me. Man for a second night, your 1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:06.920 brother wasn't there, my boy aj Man from the Connected 1:03:06.960 --> 1:03:11.280 Experience podcast the drops every Monday on the Digital Soapbox network. 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:14.240 Y'all make sure man, y'all go subscribe. Man, these brothers 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:16.520 got one of the coldest podcasts in the game. Man, 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:23.120 y'all been running one of the flagship shows on Digital Soapboxine. Right, Yeah, 1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:25.960 we're still here baby, with the last of the Mohigans. 1:03:26.200 --> 1:03:28.640 It wasn't even know Gangster Chronicles when we started doing 1:03:28.720 --> 1:03:31.680 business together. It was not as never. You told us 1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:34.320 the games the Chronicles and broke it down and he's like, Yo, 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:36.720 that's it right there. But yeah, we're still here, man. 1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:41.040 There ain't nothing gonna change. Man. The Connected Experience every Monday, Uh, 1:03:42.200 --> 1:03:45.080 you just you pressed player on that, man, We just 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:47.920 take you to a different world. We had everybody on it, 1:03:48.120 --> 1:03:49.920 anybody you could think of. Because we can sit and 1:03:50.000 --> 1:03:52.520 talk to anybody, Oprah, go beyond one day because we 1:03:52.520 --> 1:03:55.040 can sit and talk to anybody from the artists who 1:03:55.080 --> 1:03:58.840 never who who just started with their first song, to CEOs, 1:03:58.840 --> 1:04:01.959 the major companies, man of the Connected Experience tc POT 1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:04.480 on Instagram and Twitter, and I'll make sure I got 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:06.160 a link for that. I'll make sure I got a 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:08.240 link for that in the description for y'all. And we 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:10.880 gon have hands podcasts coming pretty soon. I'm gonna be 1:04:10.920 --> 1:04:15.760 posted links up for man, let's do it the shore 1:04:15.840 --> 1:04:17.080 and we got to hear your piece