Speaker 1: What's happening. What's happening? What was happening? There's another episode
Speaker 1: against the Chronicles podcast. I got another special guest with me,
Speaker 1: like another special co host, my boy AJ from the
Speaker 1: Connected Experience podcast. What's going on? What's going on? You
Speaker 1: know what? It is? Anster mission in the house all day,
Speaker 1: every day was going on. Big still oh man, you know,
Speaker 1: same old stuff, man, But we got a really special
Speaker 1: guest man one of the o g s in the game,
Speaker 1: Man from the original Penthouse Players. Click, man, my boy player,
Speaker 1: hand what's up with it? Man? One day at a time,
Speaker 1: Maybe I cannot complain, you know what, Man, One day
Speaker 1: at a time. Love. You know how we're doing. Well.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of stuff to talk about, man,
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, Man, I want to go back
Speaker 1: to the beginning, right mm hmm. You're from out of
Speaker 1: content right now. Man, I'm not a South Central man.
Speaker 1: A lot of people think that, you know, but and
Speaker 1: you watch to the west side of l A. Man.
Speaker 1: South Central was where I was born and raised, you know,
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure didn't know that we might
Speaker 1: be bringing some news. That's where I think everybody thought
Speaker 1: you some company. Man, I think that you know, because
Speaker 1: of affiliations and associations, man, but you know it's not true. Well,
Speaker 1: the first thing I want to ask you, man, is
Speaker 1: because you grabbed the whole of what was with who
Speaker 1: eventually became one of the best producers in hip hop.
Speaker 1: I still think he was a day How did you
Speaker 1: link how did you link up with Quick Man? How
Speaker 1: old was he when you guys linked up? Man? He
Speaker 1: had to be in his late teen teld me U.
Speaker 1: I want to say maybe eighteen. I just turned nineteen. Uh, eighteen,
Speaker 1: had to because it was a D eight. So anyway, Uh,
Speaker 1: we had a little uh. But they used to call
Speaker 1: him back in the day when you get on the
Speaker 1: phone and everybody be talking. Yeah, but it was something
Speaker 1: else like there on the chat line. It was called
Speaker 1: party line. Yeah, party line, and you know we was
Speaker 1: you know, one of my partners had a little money
Speaker 1: and his brother and they came together. So it was
Speaker 1: called the Penthouse party line and quick sister called inn
Speaker 1: and my boy tweet chopped it up with his sisters.
Speaker 1: Did a little brother through music to your producer And
Speaker 1: you know he was a fledgement and you know, kind
Speaker 1: of new to it at that time, but he still
Speaker 1: had a talent that was a parent to anybody that
Speaker 1: would pay attention, and uh, you know ship Basically he
Speaker 1: auditioned with one of tweet beats for us man and
Speaker 1: after a conversation between Tweet and this system and one
Speaker 1: thing that to another man and you know, and they
Speaker 1: had to go out there and get him and grab
Speaker 1: him up and making part of the click. He was
Speaker 1: like the missing peace, you know. So when y'all first
Speaker 1: heard his music, did y'all know like, this guy is
Speaker 1: gonna be somebody? He ended up being DJ Quick, But
Speaker 1: did y'all see something in him, like, hey, he gotta
Speaker 1: be down with us, because we know, if anything, this
Speaker 1: young man don't be something in this music, he gonna
Speaker 1: be a force. Yeah. Absolutely. As you're pursuing the dream,
Speaker 1: you realize that, you know, you need to write pieces
Speaker 1: together to continue the journey. And when you're young, you
Speaker 1: might not be seeing that far ahead like a lot
Speaker 1: of cats might have, you know, seen it like that.
Speaker 1: But you know, from the early days of hip hop
Speaker 1: so to speak, not that early, but you know, the
Speaker 1: first ten years. So it's like, you know, at that time,
Speaker 1: it was just about making the music and and and
Speaker 1: and coming together and and doing what we do. So
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, definitely when we met Quick. When I
Speaker 1: met with Quick and we did that little audition being
Speaker 1: on me for Tweet, I knew he was somebody that
Speaker 1: was he was the missing piece and you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying or what we was trying to do because
Speaker 1: we had dealt with other DJs and other situations and
Speaker 1: you know, uh, me and Tweet wasn't really we hadn't
Speaker 1: been together that long at that time, but at least
Speaker 1: about a year or two maybe at the most. But
Speaker 1: we knew that that your boy Quick was what we
Speaker 1: was looking for to make us complete. You know, somebody
Speaker 1: that coming to the clicking and be what you know,
Speaker 1: apparently the other cats that had their DJ and the
Speaker 1: music maker part of that click, you know, Dads and
Speaker 1: Jeff and then being and you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: cats like that, because that's really where he was how
Speaker 1: we was moving. And of course Dre, you know, Dre
Speaker 1: was was one of the greatest influences, oh Quick, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Dre and East, you know, they
Speaker 1: really was like the cats he wanted to be. You
Speaker 1: know this time who bubbling in l A. You said,
Speaker 1: it is early is eighty. It's a d A. So
Speaker 1: you know n w A was doing that thing, you
Speaker 1: know a little Yeah, I'm saying like we know in
Speaker 1: w A, but like, who's some people who didn't make
Speaker 1: it to the surface. But y'all still looked at at
Speaker 1: the time like hey, this group or this person could
Speaker 1: possibly be right behind in w A. Um Man, I
Speaker 1: don't know if a cat even gave us type of
Speaker 1: thing I thought. You know, we was in the circle
Speaker 1: of a lot of artists though, you know, we were
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with you know, battle cat was in
Speaker 1: the cut um. There was some cats over there, uh
Speaker 1: around the corner double trouble um, you know, some neighborhood cats.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: things going on at the time, but the focus really
Speaker 1: wasn't on what other cats was doing. It was on
Speaker 1: when we was doing. You know I heard that man
Speaker 1: let me ask you this him, So when did you
Speaker 1: guys become the Penthouse players? Click? Cool, Well, that was
Speaker 1: something I was moving with before I even got involved
Speaker 1: with TWE, before I even got involved with Quick. Because
Speaker 1: you know, when you're younger, especially coming up in the
Speaker 1: era we come up in. If you ain't gangbanging. You
Speaker 1: You ain't doing nothing. And I wasn't gangbanging, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I wanted to be a part
Speaker 1: of something that I could you know, represent without getting
Speaker 1: caught up in that gang time, you know, and all
Speaker 1: honest the amount of total his story before. One of
Speaker 1: my partners, man, his name is Mark. I wish I
Speaker 1: could remember his last name. But you know, when I
Speaker 1: was looking for a name for my click, trying to
Speaker 1: think of how I wanted to move with this rap
Speaker 1: because I was starting to wrap it, you know, I
Speaker 1: felt like I was real good at it in that potential.
Speaker 1: And my boy was walking down the street and I
Speaker 1: see Penhouse Players on the back of his jacket, right,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, you know, play, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take that. And I just added original and click and
Speaker 1: and mashed with it, you know, and made it, made
Speaker 1: it famous, so to speak, you know. And I wonder
Speaker 1: where my boy at now, man, because I feel like
Speaker 1: I owe him something. Yeah, that's how that happened, man,
Speaker 1: That Penouse Players. I liked it, that name, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was already kind of calling me play a
Speaker 1: ham without even you know, knowing that that's the direction
Speaker 1: it was going in, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: like one thing that just good out to me. You
Speaker 1: was like very adamant about standing away from the gang
Speaker 1: culture in the gang life. Was that because like you're
Speaker 1: upbringing inside the household. What made you want to stay
Speaker 1: away from gangs at a time where people was rushing
Speaker 1: to be a part of the game. Uh well, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that was Russian, but what I would say
Speaker 1: was it it had its appeal. You know, I knew
Speaker 1: some real gangs to catch, some real crypt niggas that
Speaker 1: you know that I admired, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I knew that I wasn't them, you know, I
Speaker 1: knew that that what my nigga is doing, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing that. But we was, you know, in the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: you know. And like I said, whatever neighborhood you grow
Speaker 1: up in, you affiliated with that neighborhood anywhere on some
Speaker 1: level or another. So I just happened to be at
Speaker 1: that time in the thirties, Harlem, and so my niggas
Speaker 1: was Harlem crips, you know what I'm saying. Even though
Speaker 1: when I went to school that lot and you know,
Speaker 1: my original cats. It was main street cats, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, nine eight and all that. But on
Speaker 1: the West Side is where I was living at the time.
Speaker 1: So my you know, my major affiliation even on my
Speaker 1: niggas is from over there, from Man but um my
Speaker 1: brother's tour as well from Harlem, and so you know,
Speaker 1: I knew that wasn't me though. On me, I knew
Speaker 1: what my niggas was doing, I wasn't gonna do. I
Speaker 1: knew when he was hanging out, I wasn't hanging out
Speaker 1: like that, you know what I'm saying. I was on
Speaker 1: something different, but then it was still my catch, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, I just didn't you know,
Speaker 1: I knew that wasn't mean man. I knew that was
Speaker 1: something I wanted to be a part of. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's honorable. Yeah, So let me ask you this him.
Speaker 1: So you guys went in there, y'all started working with
Speaker 1: Quick immediately off the rip on the players, I was
Speaker 1: clicking alum, right, yeah, payers click right. But we're not
Speaker 1: necessarily on the album, just music. Just because his his
Speaker 1: his style Quick didn't have quite you know, know what
Speaker 1: direction he was gonna go in at the time. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Quick was saying when he came
Speaker 1: to the click, he wasn't even really rather he was
Speaker 1: just doing beats and singing, and you know, but he
Speaker 1: had the potential. You know, you could hear it. It's like, boy,
Speaker 1: you did that. And he was around one of his
Speaker 1: uncles that was making music, and so you know, he
Speaker 1: was being groomed and teaching himself how to do the
Speaker 1: thing as he was doing. And as far as he saying,
Speaker 1: he was already doing little DJ ship, you know, so
Speaker 1: getting off into the creativeness of the keys. He kind
Speaker 1: of taught himself, but the gift was obviously in it.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people want to make music.
Speaker 1: When he told us he needed this or he needed that,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, my mom's really looked out
Speaker 1: for us man. So you know, between her and my partners,
Speaker 1: that was getting money in the streets. And you know,
Speaker 1: we tell a living that's what we need, thats what
Speaker 1: we gotta do, you know, uh, because we're like, well,
Speaker 1: hand whatever you need. When I got your back, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So we needed a PC equipment,
Speaker 1: you know, we get it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, hold,
Speaker 1: I don't want you mentioned the importance of the DJ
Speaker 1: back during that time, and a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know that the DJ was actually a really big part
Speaker 1: for the music. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was the one that that kept the crowd interested
Speaker 1: in what you was doing if you wasn't a sexy
Speaker 1: nigger or you know whatever. A lot of cats was.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that you know, certain groups,
Speaker 1: I guess the DJ was background, but when he was
Speaker 1: the forefront. You know, a lot of the the DJ's
Speaker 1: name was involved in the name of the group. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. A lot of times it was
Speaker 1: it was the DJ who was the man. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm so, just how do you how you moved?
Speaker 1: And we was the click? So you know, even though
Speaker 1: I called myself the lead wrapper or whatever, but you know,
Speaker 1: the Click wouldn't have been what it was without Quick,
Speaker 1: and Quick wouldn't have been what he is without the Click.
Speaker 1: But that don't mean the ship whn't the win and
Speaker 1: did whatever it was gonna do it. I don't mean
Speaker 1: Niggas would have went on to something great. It just
Speaker 1: means that what it is, it is under the great
Speaker 1: influence of each other, you know. Yeah, so not working
Speaker 1: together and y'all become this crew on everything. What's the
Speaker 1: record that you are recording? Y'all saying on all we
Speaker 1: were getting the deal off this one, because eventually y'all
Speaker 1: signed to one of the greatest regular labels in the world,
Speaker 1: which would be Ruthless Records. Right, So what was the
Speaker 1: record that made you all say, hey, we were getting
Speaker 1: the deal off this, we could really do this. We
Speaker 1: got aren't listening piece, let's go, We're ready in a lot, honesty, hommy,
Speaker 1: we had like three deals before we got that, Before
Speaker 1: that Penthouse Players Click deal arrived, right exclusive. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: we had situations where, uh we were supposed to move
Speaker 1: in a certain direction and it didn't happen. We was
Speaker 1: with uh uh together, we were with West Coast Record Distributors,
Speaker 1: and that was when Linzo Williams, Unknown DJ, Rudy Party
Speaker 1: and Egyptian Lover. Okay, excuse me, let me go back
Speaker 1: to the unknowned DJ real quickly unknowned DJ was known
Speaker 1: for Gaff and Young Brothers publishing in the day. We'll know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have that issue. I ain't saying that would
Speaker 1: have happened or wouldn't have happened later. But you know,
Speaker 1: that was just the name of the game on me
Speaker 1: when the Cats you know, cast this was following suit
Speaker 1: of what they were told on me. You know that's
Speaker 1: that I mean, if you don't know, you're gonna get got,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, in that situation,
Speaker 1: they just wasn't moving quick enough for us, you know,
Speaker 1: And so we moved on from that situation to another situation. Okay, Uh,
Speaker 1: that situation we moved on to was a cat named
Speaker 1: George Murphy about of eight Mile Road. He was I
Speaker 1: think he was a Detroit cat. But yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that name so familiar when you said we run the West.
Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm from inster Michigan. That's twenty minutes
Speaker 1: from Detroit. So yeah, I said that name. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: that's not kind of familiar. George Murphy was a cats
Speaker 1: you know, trying to make moves me at a studio
Speaker 1: and Peko in l A And so we was locked
Speaker 1: in with them for a minute. They put us in
Speaker 1: the big studio and uh, you know, we was making
Speaker 1: music with him. But once again, it was a situation
Speaker 1: where it wasn't moving like it was supposed to move,
Speaker 1: And so we moved on from him as well. You know,
Speaker 1: we had a few songs, like when you asked about songs, man,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I was the lead rappisode
Speaker 1: most of the music that was really getting the most
Speaker 1: attention with Ship that I was rapping on. We had
Speaker 1: a song called small Time Pushing. We had a song
Speaker 1: called Hitting It. We had a song called Baby Wants
Speaker 1: a Bowler. We had a song called My Dust, and
Speaker 1: so we had music that once Quick came together with
Speaker 1: what he was doing with him samples man. Quick, you know,
Speaker 1: was was magic with the way he was sample man.
Speaker 1: But like I said, he he followed in the footsteps
Speaker 1: to Dre. I mean, he knew what he wanted to
Speaker 1: do and how he wanted to do it. So he
Speaker 1: took you know, the Dre style mixed in his own thing,
Speaker 1: and then took the easy rap style mixed in his
Speaker 1: own thing, mixed with what we was teaching him and
Speaker 1: showing him and sharing with him, and and that just
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it just grew stronger and stronger and
Speaker 1: stronger and stronger, you know. But you know, we was
Speaker 1: making music and we were man, we had a lot
Speaker 1: of them, you know, Quick had them underground records that
Speaker 1: everybody heard on that red tape. And when he first
Speaker 1: started trying to do that gag bang music, I was
Speaker 1: telling me, now, you ain't gonna do that over here,
Speaker 1: you know. So um he did it anyway with whoever
Speaker 1: would allow him to do it, you know, And so
Speaker 1: that was bubbling at the time. It's like I was
Speaker 1: just talking to somebody recently about how, you know, my
Speaker 1: main influences that wrapped is you know the Cats from
Speaker 1: you know, the early the mid eighties, you know, the
Speaker 1: Big Daddy Canes and Ko rest WANs and and and
Speaker 1: rock Kims and you know, uh, you know them them
Speaker 1: Cats was the catch that that when I came in
Speaker 1: the game there as the Cats, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: on the level of trying to you know, be the
Speaker 1: peer of you know, not really realizing that the game
Speaker 1: was changing. And then Cats was you know, for lack
Speaker 1: of better terms, that that music was on its way
Speaker 1: out and the new music gangsters it was coming in
Speaker 1: it begins and getting a lot stronger, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So even if you know the four maps
Speaker 1: that Quick and and and second and none was doing.
Speaker 1: We have music like that too, and you know, but
Speaker 1: that ain't the music that we did when we was
Speaker 1: working on the Penthouse Players Click album. You know, Um,
Speaker 1: we had options to do whatever we pretty much wanted
Speaker 1: to do, man, and they had carte blanche over the
Speaker 1: priority working with Easy and all that. But you know,
Speaker 1: hindsight is, you know, at the time we over there
Speaker 1: the Roofless, we didn't know Dre wasn't gonna be there.
Speaker 1: That this the issue with with Dre and and and
Speaker 1: and Easy and ice Cube. The ice Cube thing, we
Speaker 1: knew about that, but we didn't know that that DRE
Speaker 1: was gone, you know what I'm saying. Until we was
Speaker 1: locked in and we was moving forward, we didn't We
Speaker 1: weren't really aware of you know, because my deal came
Speaker 1: in ninety one, early ninety one. So like I said,
Speaker 1: once again, we don't know the inner workings and things
Speaker 1: that are going on the drama that that Q might
Speaker 1: have brought the priority and you know, all the you know,
Speaker 1: the ship that you know you see in the movies.
Speaker 1: Now that you're like, oh, that's what happened. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that we wouldn't wear all the things
Speaker 1: going on at the time. Now listen, you said y'all
Speaker 1: wasn't aware that Dre was moving on. Do you think
Speaker 1: that would have affected joe decision to go to Ruthless
Speaker 1: if you had known that, because I mean, I definitely
Speaker 1: think it would have affected Easy's decision to funk with
Speaker 1: us because Easy was really chest moving to get too quick,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and and and and on
Speaker 1: whatever level he wanted to do that on That's what
Speaker 1: my my hindsight is telling me. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: Rufus was the powerhouse. So you know, Easy was gonna
Speaker 1: funk with some people and he was gonna get some things,
Speaker 1: going to have rhythm d and whoever else he was sucking.
Speaker 1: We're doing music. So you know, Easy was gonna make
Speaker 1: some ship happen no matter what. But he was just
Speaker 1: you know, spreading his wings because you know, the man
Speaker 1: had money and he was still a regular cat, but
Speaker 1: he was just moving with a lot of power behind
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I think he would have made different
Speaker 1: decisions now, you know the money talk, so you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, only the only difference I would really
Speaker 1: say was I would have actually Easy for more money,
Speaker 1: and I think he would have gave it to me
Speaker 1: for me, you know, naive to certain moves and and
Speaker 1: cats wasn't really sharing the whole truth with me about
Speaker 1: what was going on. You know. Uh, you know, things
Speaker 1: went the way they went, you know, So you believe
Speaker 1: Easy was done trying to look at Quick kind of
Speaker 1: like as a replacement for dr Drink. Absolutely, I believe that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And uh, excuse me, smart man,
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, bro Um. I can't say nothing bad about Easy,
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying. Whatever, I actually Easy
Speaker 1: before he gave me when he started having the mishoes
Speaker 1: and then on what he was dealing with, you know, he,
Speaker 1: I mean, we was cool, but you know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: one of his confidence. I wasn't one of the people
Speaker 1: that you know that he looked too too to support
Speaker 1: whatever he was doing and how he was doing it.
Speaker 1: So you know, I can't expect nothing but for it
Speaker 1: to go to it with understanding what I understand that,
Speaker 1: you know, not the easy in them approach, you guys
Speaker 1: with that deal. Um well, yes, and no one of
Speaker 1: my partners either he met he met Jerry or he
Speaker 1: met he. I think he met Jerry in a bathroom
Speaker 1: at one of them high powered restaurants or something and
Speaker 1: knew who he was and he jeared that him and
Speaker 1: then one thing led to another. Then Easy expressed interest
Speaker 1: based on the association and affiliation. We was already kind
Speaker 1: of like making move because we had been in a
Speaker 1: couple of situations because we were signed me Quick and
Speaker 1: Tweet before Quick got his deal over there with Greedy
Speaker 1: Greg now at profile. Me Quick and Tweet were signed
Speaker 1: together with with Roof with my Roof is with with
Speaker 1: with Heat, with with Sugar and and d O C.
Speaker 1: When d OC had his accident and left and was
Speaker 1: doing his own thing was Sugar. It was over there
Speaker 1: with a white boy name nah oh Man, I can't
Speaker 1: think of his name, but it was fern Heel to production,
Speaker 1: it was bro yet it was furn Heel. Yeah, y'all
Speaker 1: originally was on fern Heel, y'all. One of the first
Speaker 1: group that was on Fern exactly fern Heel. And it
Speaker 1: was funky enough records because it was d O C.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, you know, we learned a lot of history
Speaker 1: this nowhere else well yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's been,
Speaker 1: it's been in the cup, but everybody ain't paying attention,
Speaker 1: you know, So when we did that, and then you know,
Speaker 1: we was already making noise and talking ship, you know,
Speaker 1: and when when Quick stepped off with that underground tape
Speaker 1: and did what he did over there with greeting now
Speaker 1: and and then got the deal atrop at profile and
Speaker 1: then he dropped in ninety one like a bomb on
Speaker 1: the game, you know what I'm saying. And then uh,
Speaker 1: second to none came and a MG was in the
Speaker 1: cup with bits better have My money, and high Seat
Speaker 1: was over there affiliated with I'm not your puppet in
Speaker 1: and so we had a whole thing going at that time,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Where where niggas. If we'd
Speaker 1: have been able to stay together or at least under
Speaker 1: that umbrella, so to speak, we could have made some
Speaker 1: really lovely things happened. But you know, cats agreed the
Speaker 1: selfishness and and insecurity, and you know, you know, when
Speaker 1: I was an artist man, that was the camp I
Speaker 1: came through with High Seed, you know. But this is
Speaker 1: like later on and all of them in our real
Speaker 1: lives how powerful it was. But I also saw it
Speaker 1: what in the unity, I think that thing could have
Speaker 1: got kept together because I knew that you were kind
Speaker 1: of like I didn't get to meet you back to then,
Speaker 1: but I knew you was making records. But sugar Free too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I was later on in the game because sugar Free, well,
Speaker 1: I think wasn't even a part of it in the beginning.
Speaker 1: It was locked up, you know what I'm saying. But um,
Speaker 1: by that time, you know, Quick was in a in
Speaker 1: a much more comfortable and powerful position. But everybody he
Speaker 1: was associating with it a with wasn't necessarily forthcoming with
Speaker 1: with what really needed to be known to build something
Speaker 1: that was you know of the comparison of of Ruthless
Speaker 1: or death Row or or anything like. The niggas wanted it,
Speaker 1: but you know, niggas didn't know how to go about it.
Speaker 1: On me, I guess, I mean, you know, I know
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know what I'm saying. Now, looked though,
Speaker 1: because y'are in y'all, dude eventually land on Ruthless. Talk
Speaker 1: about when that debut nation wide album came out, Like
Speaker 1: what was the reception, what was some of your bigger
Speaker 1: markets as the West Coast? Because uh, I'm a lot
Speaker 1: younger than y'all, I'm four years old, but I remember
Speaker 1: them these records coming out of the West coast, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We had love in the Midwest,
Speaker 1: real love in Chicago, Detroit, you know, and down south
Speaker 1: we have real love in a lot of places. On
Speaker 1: me because our album Game out, they do number one
Speaker 1: on heat Seekers. So they was pushing the line because
Speaker 1: that alliance between it and Easy was something that, you know,
Speaker 1: that made noise, you know, and we was like the
Speaker 1: group that I was allowed to make that noise, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But see, the thing was, you know,
Speaker 1: you got business attentions that don't necessarily come to fruition
Speaker 1: because certain people don't want to see it and they
Speaker 1: don't want to share certain truths with you. So you
Speaker 1: might have big ideas but not knowing what to take
Speaker 1: to make them happen. Because initially I wasn't I was
Speaker 1: signed alone as Penthouse players. Click Quick wasn't on that paperwork,
Speaker 1: Tweet wasn't on that paperwork. I brought that situation together
Speaker 1: because of my ties and affiliations with them, you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so when it was time to
Speaker 1: basically for Ruthless Priority to sign Tweet rather than sign him,
Speaker 1: they wanted to amend the Penthouse players click paperwork to
Speaker 1: make him a part of that. And it was an
Speaker 1: issue behind that because I don't know if they gave
Speaker 1: that man some money or not. I know that man
Speaker 1: didn't get me no money. I'm saying twee, he didn't
Speaker 1: give me no money. But I looked out for tweet
Speaker 1: and gay that nigga's money when he was on my album.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. But you know, the bottom
Speaker 1: line was the initial thing was to do you know,
Speaker 1: Penouse players click tweet Cadillac album, play a hand album,
Speaker 1: and then another Penouse players click album, all within the
Speaker 1: first you know, twelve to eighteen or the two years
Speaker 1: to try to build something like that. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Because we was already locked in because I
Speaker 1: wasn't signed just playing hand me. I was signed as
Speaker 1: Pinouts Players. So even though the branded thing wasn't really
Speaker 1: as big as it is now, it was still a
Speaker 1: direction we was trying to go in with what we
Speaker 1: were doing, you know, but we didn't have you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't have to management, I didn't have an attorneys,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have had a guidance. I didn't have
Speaker 1: all the things that you know, that even the nigga
Speaker 1: is right next to me, even nigga's like quick on me,
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't put my coattail when it came down.
Speaker 1: You know, A you're gonna need this, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: need that, and you're gonna need to do this, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna need to do that, you know. And I
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't pay no attention to the nick anybody. But
Speaker 1: the bottom line was, he didn't even give me that opportunity,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Couple of things like that,
Speaker 1: when the nigga know something and you don't tell us.
Speaker 1: Nigga supposed to be supposed to be brothers and he know,
Speaker 1: you know, he know, Oh over there, you're gonna do
Speaker 1: your thing. So I'm don't let you go over there,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's just the type of
Speaker 1: ship we dinner with. Man. You know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you about some lyrics to the song man A
Speaker 1: quick head and safety something because he mentioned you. My
Speaker 1: niggas playing him and Xina gave me a place to
Speaker 1: stay on my way up from bottom rock bitches starting
Speaker 1: to job because my hair is getting longer and games
Speaker 1: getting stronger to pull to put my way. That went
Speaker 1: and got a job. But by then him Engina really
Speaker 1: started the squad. But whether I should should go or stay,
Speaker 1: she told him either he goes and you go. So
Speaker 1: we both was on our way. Yeah, you left your
Speaker 1: woman behind quick, nah, bro, I left my woman behind
Speaker 1: with her and I were going through. But definitely, you
Speaker 1: know that was part of you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: pursuing your dream and and wanting to be what you
Speaker 1: wanna be, and uh, you know you're dealing with issues
Speaker 1: that you know, who could see you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: At that time, It's like, you know, the things we
Speaker 1: were doing. You know, I got niggas up in in
Speaker 1: my house with my kids, and you know, we're trying
Speaker 1: to make music and we're doing with niggas doing We
Speaker 1: had pent house players click, so we attracted a certain element,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that niggas in the streets
Speaker 1: doing things. So there's a lot going on at the time,
Speaker 1: a lot of pulling niggas in different directions. You know,
Speaker 1: it just was different happens relationship. Excuse me, I said,
Speaker 1: So it was it was kind of more like the atmosphere. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: man you know. I mean I I could get into
Speaker 1: a whole lot of personal ship as to why you know,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, ship with a certain way that
Speaker 1: they went. But the bottom line is that Nigga telling
Speaker 1: the true story. She did actually shoot that ultimatum and
Speaker 1: Nigga away, and I did choose, you know, based on
Speaker 1: everything a career and that move when I had that
Speaker 1: option as opposed to I'm gonna stay here and deal
Speaker 1: with his mouth, you know, when his mouth ain't serving
Speaker 1: me like I really want to be served, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, when you yell, you did
Speaker 1: what you do. Man. So you know, me and Geno
Speaker 1: is partners right now. That's one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: You know, do some Joey's other mothers, so you know,
Speaker 1: all bs to the left. You know. The motivation and
Speaker 1: inspiration in this music game is you know, who's to
Speaker 1: say what's next? You know? Yeah? Yeah, after the debut
Speaker 1: album come out, you're seeing stuff kind of taking off.
Speaker 1: But like you said, you've got bigger ideas and they're
Speaker 1: not going their place. Is this turning you off from
Speaker 1: the music industry, not from rapping, but from the music industry, Nah, Man,
Speaker 1: it was turning me off from dealing with certain niggas
Speaker 1: on a certain level though the show. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying when I said niggas, I ain't just talking
Speaker 1: about black man, you know, I'm talking about niggas and
Speaker 1: bitches and white black you know. So it's like it's
Speaker 1: like you're dealing with people on a certain level. Like
Speaker 1: I said once again, you know, it's difficult to throw
Speaker 1: yourself under the bus on me. But I wasn't the
Speaker 1: easiest cat to talk to. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I wasn't the easiest person to tell somewhere or God
Speaker 1: if you didn't love me and I didn't know it,
Speaker 1: and I didn't love you and you didn't know it,
Speaker 1: and that on respect and integrity that come with you know,
Speaker 1: and my niggas who would have been my niggas that
Speaker 1: would have been able to you know, control certain movement
Speaker 1: that was wise enough. You know, they was doing time
Speaker 1: my hustlers, that that was really in a position to
Speaker 1: really you know, really like nigga, we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: Then niggas they was doing other things or they was
Speaker 1: you know, they was locked away a range at this time,
Speaker 1: like when this was like more the Ruthless deal was
Speaker 1: ninety two, so I was twenty eight, so twenty seven
Speaker 1: because we had that. The album came in ninety two,
Speaker 1: so I was signed in ninety one. But we was
Speaker 1: working with uh, you know, like beginning to making this
Speaker 1: ship happen around eighty eight with me a Quick and Tweet.
Speaker 1: When Quick came to be a part of the Click,
Speaker 1: it wasn't six months before we got our first record
Speaker 1: deal we get, so that was I was about twenty four.
Speaker 1: Then you see what I'm saying. So it wasn't that
Speaker 1: you know, and nigga wasn't old enough to know better.
Speaker 1: It was that a nigga wasn't shown what he needed
Speaker 1: to be shown. Was what we was into, was what
Speaker 1: we was into, you know. And so if you wasn't
Speaker 1: that type of businessman or that type of hustler, you know,
Speaker 1: if you was allowing yourself to be distracted by the menial,
Speaker 1: trivial things that don't really matter in a in a
Speaker 1: in a real man's reality, then you're gonna deal with
Speaker 1: what you're dining with. Didn't go through what you're going
Speaker 1: through in your priorities, gonna be that what they were,
Speaker 1: you know, and then they're gonna tell you're gonna take
Speaker 1: advantage of your ignorance. You know, you got niggas in
Speaker 1: the street getting money, maggas, I was dealing with hustler
Speaker 1: cats on me in the neighborhood. Niggas that was, you know,
Speaker 1: riding bins and and moving weight. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The niggas was giving me money and
Speaker 1: and looking out and and helping. And now I want
Speaker 1: to be down with that hand. So even though you
Speaker 1: know how it was back then niggas was gang banging
Speaker 1: and hustling. Niggas wasn't wrapping. Niggas was clowning niggas with
Speaker 1: this rap ship you know. Now, you know back then
Speaker 1: maybe two out of twenty niggas or thirty niggas, the
Speaker 1: fifty niggas was working with music and wrapping. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was it was fifteen why niggas
Speaker 1: gang banging and tien fifteen niggas hustling, and the rest
Speaker 1: of these niggas was trying to do whatever they was
Speaker 1: trying to do. It they was dope things or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So the game you're gonna flip,
Speaker 1: you know, and you had to really have talent. You
Speaker 1: really have to be saying something back then, you really
Speaker 1: had to have all the ducks in the roll, so
Speaker 1: to speak. Everybody didn't sound a like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. When somebody came out, knew they was different.
Speaker 1: They was they they brought something different to the table.
Speaker 1: You ain't like the ship that's hot, the ship they pushing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just do that, you know what I'm saying. That ship
Speaker 1: changed after Gangster Rap. You know, so how would you
Speaker 1: say that was shaping your sound at the time, because
Speaker 1: y'all had some rancors, but to compete with what was
Speaker 1: going on because the death Rowers took off summer ninety
Speaker 1: two exactly exactly. But you know, once again, you know
Speaker 1: the game was changing. You know, it was different things
Speaker 1: in control from from hindsight as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: And and and when you think about everything that involved,
Speaker 1: that's ball involved in that. You know, death Row was
Speaker 1: was once again another powerhouse. But where's death Row to day?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So with with an understanding
Speaker 1: of of of looking back, you know, of course, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you know cats if they had the opportunity, would
Speaker 1: have done things a little different, you know. But at
Speaker 1: the same time you know that this rap game eat
Speaker 1: its own man. Well, me and my brother like to
Speaker 1: do is we like to correct people when they say
Speaker 1: the rap game or the music game, because with games
Speaker 1: you get prizes. With music, that's a business. And if
Speaker 1: you think it's a game, then that's why people lose
Speaker 1: that it because they don't understand it. It's a business.
Speaker 1: Because you just told us, the twenty eight year old you,
Speaker 1: if you knew better, you would have did better with
Speaker 1: the business, you feel me. So we always make sure
Speaker 1: to say that people, this ain't the rap game, it's
Speaker 1: the music business. And when you do business that in
Speaker 1: resort of his money. When you play a game, you
Speaker 1: either win a prize or you lose everything. And too
Speaker 1: many people say the game and they lose everything. So
Speaker 1: that's why we say this is the music business. Well absolutely,
Speaker 1: but once again, you know, I respect that perspective a
Speaker 1: thousand percent. But you know, the basketball, you know, league,
Speaker 1: it's a game, and all these different sports is games.
Speaker 1: Boxing is a game. You know what I'm saying, all
Speaker 1: these different it's a game too. But you gotta have
Speaker 1: your business right as somebody around you that got their
Speaker 1: business right otherwise, you know, this this game to eat
Speaker 1: its own, that business and eat its own because you know,
Speaker 1: since the beginning of of of the the exploitation of
Speaker 1: art and other people's talents, you know, this game is
Speaker 1: built on people manipulating the ignorance of those with the
Speaker 1: greatest talent. And that's why you've got people like Mike
Speaker 1: and Prints and certain individuals who was like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm bucking against that. And now you got this cat
Speaker 1: Kanye who's really like saying, you know, y'all got me
Speaker 1: fucked up, you know what I'm saying. So Kanye is
Speaker 1: really one of the you know what I'm seeing his movement.
Speaker 1: He's really gonna bridge the gap, you know, if he's
Speaker 1: allowed to, you know, protect himself on the level necessary.
Speaker 1: He's gonna bridge the gap between Martin, Malcolm, Matt Good
Speaker 1: and Prince and Michael and Mohammed. You know, kanyaking bridge
Speaker 1: that gap. Man. You know what I'm saying, It becomes
Speaker 1: tupop Obama. You know what I'm saying. Let me because
Speaker 1: you was around two of the possibly the greatest, two
Speaker 1: of the greatest CEOs black music on the West coast,
Speaker 1: not just the West Coast of Music, Eric Wright and
Speaker 1: Sugar Night Young Shig. Back when fern here was cracking.
Speaker 1: How was his demeanor back then? Was he was he
Speaker 1: the aggressive ship? Was? He wasn't king blood back then?
Speaker 1: That's all I can said. You know what I'm saying. Um,
Speaker 1: it was love and respect, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't you know, all that ship wasn't going on.
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't. That wasn't what was popping. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I guess you know, when
Speaker 1: you get to a certain level, you got more options.
Speaker 1: You know, of course, you know, the bigger they are,
Speaker 1: the harder they fall. You know, I don't mean, I
Speaker 1: don't mean no disrespect. The ship many showed us loved
Speaker 1: and when they didn't move fast enough in the nigger
Speaker 1: step to him and like, look, man, we need to
Speaker 1: go with you ain't gonna do what you you know,
Speaker 1: if we ain't gonna do nothing, Shook said, getting my
Speaker 1: money back, and you can go sho man. You know,
Speaker 1: we man his money back and stepped off. And when
Speaker 1: we did that, that's when Quick went over there with greedy.
Speaker 1: Now and you know it was his shoes behind that
Speaker 1: because you know, we thought we was moving in a
Speaker 1: different direction. But you know, I said, Man, I ain't
Speaker 1: mad at about none of that. You know, it's never signed, Greg, No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't signed. I wouldn't with Greedy like that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Uh, if it was a lot
Speaker 1: involved once again, you know what I'm saying. With with
Speaker 1: the way Cats was moving and getting down and so huh,
Speaker 1: that could have derailed that move Quickly made with Greedy,
Speaker 1: Gray could have derailed his career because he wanted if
Speaker 1: they have a major problems with profile record, Remember they
Speaker 1: had him with suspicion and stuff. Quick made a lot
Speaker 1: of decisions from you know how they say, man hurt people,
Speaker 1: hurt people. Quickness probably holding down and holding back a
Speaker 1: lot of pain and frustration and that he felt with
Speaker 1: his family and and whatever other relationships and whatever else
Speaker 1: was going on the side of his head. On me,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I don't funk with him like
Speaker 1: that right now. So I don't know, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It saddens me that that, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't have a relationship that we could have had based
Speaker 1: on what we had in the beginning. You know, But
Speaker 1: I'd rather, I'd rather know the truth now then to
Speaker 1: be caught up in with with more to lose than ever,
Speaker 1: because you know, you funk with certain niggas. Man, you know,
Speaker 1: you get caught up in the n you know, and
Speaker 1: then then you gotta and then they gotta deal with
Speaker 1: a lot of ships. I don't have to deal with
Speaker 1: On me. I don't look show in these streets. On me,
Speaker 1: I don't worry about things. And nigga's worried about a
Speaker 1: walk in places. They might not know who I am,
Speaker 1: but if they find out my name, I ain't worried
Speaker 1: about the nigga running up on me with a big ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying now? Now, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know what the future whold, But I don't know
Speaker 1: the bottom line is, you know. I just you know
Speaker 1: Burton No Bridge is a fund over nobody man that
Speaker 1: that I'm worried about coming back at. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, I looks earlier. You mentioned like you
Speaker 1: like with Jinna. You've got two sons. Do any of
Speaker 1: your children do music? Young Johns man, I'm there the
Speaker 1: l a Johns Now then you know, yeah game on me? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: My boys. Man, both of them is my son? Tell me?
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, you know it's been steal from them,
Speaker 1: you know the very beginning. I'm not one of the
Speaker 1: cash that don't want my niggas to do what I
Speaker 1: did better, you know. I mean, you know, you look
Speaker 1: at Caster's got their boys and their children up in
Speaker 1: this game, and they only want them motherfucker's to blow up. Man,
Speaker 1: It's like, niggah, I ain't touching that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, because people gotta know that you and
Speaker 1: your son on his corner when they come to this ship.
Speaker 1: Because the whole reason that somebody wouldn't be like you
Speaker 1: can only take it so far, right. If I'm a
Speaker 1: I only reached where the people allowed me to go.
Speaker 1: If my kids can take the be time and be
Speaker 1: the best in the world, guess what that is, y'all.
Speaker 1: Manager not because I haven't seen this ship and I
Speaker 1: ain't gonn let it happened, y'all. And when I tell
Speaker 1: you that, when I tell you that they beached dog,
Speaker 1: you could tell that they was reared under some truth.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing the monsters and you know steal now. You
Speaker 1: know I'm man now, and I'm pretty sure you know
Speaker 1: their dad man. Of course he overseeing everything. But I
Speaker 1: managed the man then is my little monsters, and we
Speaker 1: got something. We got something brewing because the things people
Speaker 1: don't understand these labels, the way the record labels work today,
Speaker 1: Like I ain't gonna putting the stuff out there, and
Speaker 1: now I will be talking to some people actually right now.
Speaker 1: But when you talk, even if even when you're talking
Speaker 1: to the head dude that for the record lay them,
Speaker 1: he has to have certain people in that building there's
Speaker 1: gonna be willing the journey on his cause with him.
Speaker 1: So when he brings that record up and say I
Speaker 1: want to sign this group, you gotta remember when you
Speaker 1: say you can sign a group, you're committing to a
Speaker 1: lot of money and a lot of resources. So you
Speaker 1: want to make sure that whole building is on board
Speaker 1: with your decision that you make. So right now we're
Speaker 1: floating through one of the major buildings, Dog and just
Speaker 1: kind of like letting everybody putting their ears some stuff.
Speaker 1: And right now we're getting good feedback. Though, But it
Speaker 1: ain't as easy as people think. When you go to
Speaker 1: get a record deal, Dog, it's gotta be a lot.
Speaker 1: Even if people didn't do especially when the game, the business,
Speaker 1: it's prone to funk over you. Yeah, if you allow it,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So if you're coming in
Speaker 1: and they know and I am there to fund him,
Speaker 1: so then the question becomes do I even want to
Speaker 1: be involved and do I want to see him with something?
Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna be able to manipulate that situation the
Speaker 1: way I'm used to, especially with our own thing kind
Speaker 1: of because we already got a river, got a million
Speaker 1: views on it before we even took somebody's giving a place.
Speaker 1: You know, we come up in there, it ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be just We're not just saying anything. It's softened. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's uh, it's it's legitimate. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not something that's just just just docked it
Speaker 1: up and you know, blowing up in your face. You
Speaker 1: think it's something that's not. It's not that fit now,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It ain't. It's that real ship,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like a situation where you know,
Speaker 1: we just want to we really just want to deal
Speaker 1: with people that feel like we feel and roll with
Speaker 1: people that roll like we're doing right now. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's what we're doing. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that everybody who get involved, you know, I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, they want of us. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We all cut of the same cloth, from from a
Speaker 1: from a different motherfucking pattern, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But it's all love, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it's a situation where it's too much potential in what
Speaker 1: we're doing for Nikkas to not appreciate and respect. How
Speaker 1: are we coming in this motherfucker this time? You know? So?
Speaker 1: So I noticed you had said that you don't really
Speaker 1: rock with quick right now? Is this a situation where
Speaker 1: that can be rectified with a conversation? Man the man? Uh?
Speaker 1: Can it be rectified with a conversation? Man the man? No?
Speaker 1: But what it can do, what it can do is
Speaker 1: established right what it can do was established a fair
Speaker 1: exchange in the moment, Yeah, and then the next fair exchange,
Speaker 1: and then the next fair exchange. Because you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what he trusts a how he move, but
Speaker 1: who around and what they do? Yeah. So you know,
Speaker 1: you walk into grocery store and you know, as long
Speaker 1: as they don't stink and it ain't too dirty. You
Speaker 1: go over to the butcher. You know you you're gonna
Speaker 1: trust that when whatever you buy, it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: be healthy for your family. Yeah. Now I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you why I ask that too, right, I asked, because
Speaker 1: your son is coming up in the game. They yeah,
Speaker 1: I at l A. I mean I talked to people
Speaker 1: all the time. I say, what's your dream collaboration, If
Speaker 1: you can get one producer. I always hear one or
Speaker 1: two producers. When the people coming from the West Coast,
Speaker 1: it's either gonna be dre or it's gonna be Quick.
Speaker 1: And I asked that because when that time come, I
Speaker 1: would hate for Quick to not be one hunted and
Speaker 1: work with the next up and coming because he got it.
Speaker 1: Oh issue what they did because play but I'm a
Speaker 1: little him break that down. Well, if Quick wanted to
Speaker 1: see Nikkas with something moment, he the best single. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: people can say whatever they want to say from a
Speaker 1: lack of understanding or lack of knowledge. But quickly that
Speaker 1: his own record label, Man System, quickly put out music
Speaker 1: whenever he wants to. We got next ships with radio stations.
Speaker 1: Quick can do whatever you want to do. And obviously
Speaker 1: that's what he do. Now, if he ain't putting nobody out,
Speaker 1: he's been at a label for twenty years. If he
Speaker 1: ain't putting no artists out. And no, he didn't put
Speaker 1: out Second or nine. No, he didn't put out ship Free.
Speaker 1: No he didn't put out most birds. No, he didn't
Speaker 1: put out nobody but himself. So if he wanted to
Speaker 1: do more, he would, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: if he ain't funning with niggas, you know, I have
Speaker 1: some other niggas, some real artists. If they've been around him,
Speaker 1: you ain't. Niggas might be honest and niggas might be
Speaker 1: like man, I ain't touched. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like man, you know on the eight seven eighty
Speaker 1: eight Man my big Joe west Man. He thirty four,
Speaker 1: thirty five years old. Now he was a baby when
Speaker 1: Quick came around, hold me DJ Quick Talk, du Smack,
Speaker 1: how to ride a bike on me? And there what
Speaker 1: I'm saying he was, he was, That's who he was
Speaker 1: in our reality. Like I said, he's slept in the
Speaker 1: room with my sons and they were babies home you
Speaker 1: understand little boys. So you know, if he wants to
Speaker 1: see niggas with something and he want to collab He man,
Speaker 1: I don't stay cracked for the real ones on me
Speaker 1: way where I mean, we stayed ready for whatever, you know.
Speaker 1: So if the man want to do some business and
Speaker 1: do some work, we could do some work. But he
Speaker 1: ain't gonna come with that, you know, nothing less than
Speaker 1: what we come with it. You know what, either need
Speaker 1: to come to the table like that because you know
Speaker 1: the situation was was was you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: truth should have been shared that wasn't, man, And I
Speaker 1: can't be mad about that because I should have went
Speaker 1: elsewhereing got it. But at the same time, moment, you know, quick,
Speaker 1: did you know sell me a house with no interests?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, with no no mark up?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So you know he sold
Speaker 1: it to a nigga with the equity in it. So
Speaker 1: I can't be mad. But when you know, when it's
Speaker 1: all boiled down to what's real? Hom me, quick, No,
Speaker 1: what's real? And and you know I know what's real?
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that's understandable you don't, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: had to ask that though, because that's what the people
Speaker 1: were don't want to know we're funk with quick If
Speaker 1: Quickly want to funk with us, we ain't gonna We
Speaker 1: ain't gonna put no cut on the second. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: ain't gonna serving nigga. No, no, no sixty four, no
Speaker 1: fifty fifty ft sixty's gonna serving nigga thousand a thousand,
Speaker 1: you know. And it ain't like that. Then we don't
Speaker 1: even need to play with each other's intelligence, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me ask you because I was asking you about
Speaker 1: the CEO s Man. Yeah, because I knew a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff about Easy though, a whole lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: It's Easy was a joker, the funniest people around. What
Speaker 1: was your relationship like with Easy Man? Easy was like
Speaker 1: I'm my recollection is He kept at business. But he
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, he wasn't overbearing. He wasn't he didn't
Speaker 1: consider himself above and nigga. He considered the nigga as
Speaker 1: his peer, right, But at the same time, he knew
Speaker 1: who he was and how much was was back in him,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so it wasn't like
Speaker 1: he gave me, you know, the game. He gave Quick
Speaker 1: more game than he gave me. You know, I was
Speaker 1: an artist. I was his artist. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna say. Is it because him and Quick um
Speaker 1: build a different relationship like hung together more because you
Speaker 1: was the artist where you just do cutting records and leaving.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely absolutely brouh. Like I said, I wasn't there
Speaker 1: right And a lot of this is speculation in just
Speaker 1: my opinion, but Quick Easy desired that relationship with Quick
Speaker 1: and Pentouse players. Click was away to facilitate that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that's my opinion, right, So I
Speaker 1: know that, you know, even if Quick wasn't going to
Speaker 1: Easy or he was, I know Quick, I mean, I
Speaker 1: know Easy with the type of cat. When I found
Speaker 1: out that Easy and Quick had the same accountants, you
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. I couldn't have the same accounts
Speaker 1: because I'm as artist. You know. When I found out
Speaker 1: that Easy and Quick had the same accounts, that wasn't
Speaker 1: because of Quick, that was because Easy. Because that meant
Speaker 1: Easy said I'm gonna put you on I'm a lot,
Speaker 1: I'm to help you with something. I'm gonna help you.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. Because Quick obviously needed what
Speaker 1: Easy represented, and he gravitated towards that on one level
Speaker 1: or another. But Easy was a smart man on you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that you can't the same thing
Speaker 1: about about should Should was smart to do what he did,
Speaker 1: but then a lot of ship wasn't so smart. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We all of us are like that.
Speaker 1: We make a lot of wise ship wise moves, and
Speaker 1: then we make a lot of stupid moves. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, not so wise moves. You know that
Speaker 1: when you was over a roofless am did ask some
Speaker 1: good producers. You mentioned Rhythm d I know DJ Bob
Speaker 1: Kenny came in there at one time. It's like the
Speaker 1: here producer in your head. Um, y'all asked some mother
Speaker 1: cash to above and law which game he has? Another
Speaker 1: mistake I made het me see, I should have sunked
Speaker 1: with them niggas back then. I had actually that sucking
Speaker 1: with a lot of people. You know, um um, when
Speaker 1: I already asked me who I wanted to like do music,
Speaker 1: But I think the only person I said was scar Face,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So they're trying to put
Speaker 1: that together. But you know I could have said anybody.
Speaker 1: I could have said rock can't I could have said
Speaker 1: kr Res, I could have said, all my label makes
Speaker 1: the priority, you know what I'm saying, whoever was over
Speaker 1: there doing their thing, But that ain't what I did,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying, So that's on me. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, our album was produced
Speaker 1: exclusively by DJ Quick, with one song by battle Cat
Speaker 1: that that they ultimately gave Quick the credit for, and
Speaker 1: that was just to keep your attention, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, plus a little production that I did because
Speaker 1: I was playing in with it, and then Quick just
Speaker 1: basically screwed and and did what he did and made
Speaker 1: it do what it do, which was jealous knuckleheads. But
Speaker 1: the bottom line is, you know, back then, things were different.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of things were different. It was
Speaker 1: only you know, it was only it was limited ways
Speaker 1: to make it happen. Now it's it's pretty much unlimited ways.
Speaker 1: But it's still a limitation as far as going to
Speaker 1: that next level. You gotta really, you know, hit the
Speaker 1: lottery to go to the next level without some associations
Speaker 1: or filiations with something that's already tracked. You know. Now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about some I'm gonna talk about some
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. And this ain't I ain't trying to pitch
Speaker 1: nobody off of them the East to play with the
Speaker 1: Uigi boards around you. Did you ever hear about them
Speaker 1: playing I didn't. I didn't. I didn't see that side
Speaker 1: of him moment. My my opinion isn't Easy was working
Speaker 1: with that. He just didn't know what he was working with, man,
Speaker 1: because he thought it was a game or a joke. Huh.
Speaker 1: But you had heard that before though, right, I heard
Speaker 1: something to that extent that he toyed with that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know that was one of
Speaker 1: the things people, and I'd like to ask people it
Speaker 1: was around Easy because nobody will ever come on camera
Speaker 1: and see it. And I ain't saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: because am you? You didn't mess with him like evidently
Speaker 1: m uh yeah. People tell me he missed with that
Speaker 1: doing it might have been him because he was a jokester.
Speaker 1: Right Still, that's your favorite easy question. Anybody who was
Speaker 1: around Easy to eat, that's your favorite question to ask. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when it comes to spiritual things, man,
Speaker 1: everybody got their way, they get out, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Uh, ship happens man, Uh I wasn't near them,
Speaker 1: I didn't have I didn't know, I didn't have to
Speaker 1: deal with none of that that negative energy. Man, Thank goodness,
Speaker 1: that's probably do one that wants a kid to my mom, man,
Speaker 1: praying over my life and my reality on so my
Speaker 1: mother and the people that you know, in spite of me,
Speaker 1: you know, not doing what they told me to do,
Speaker 1: and and still doing what I did, but still being
Speaker 1: blessed to make it through, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and not be caught up. You know, never called no case,
Speaker 1: never called no d y, you know, never never got
Speaker 1: you know, never been on child support for more than
Speaker 1: a couple of months till I handled that business, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's I'm blessed to be
Speaker 1: the made it through to this point. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Do not lets just where did you land
Speaker 1: after the Ruthless album? Because you didn't. I can tell
Speaker 1: to this day you never stopped making music. So where
Speaker 1: did you land and what type of uh? How did
Speaker 1: you feel about the industry after You're done? Had everything
Speaker 1: far as a number one record? Because it's it's mad
Speaker 1: niggas who wrapped everybody can't say they had a number
Speaker 1: one record hunt yeah, even though it wasn't not hellable,
Speaker 1: but anyway, no, no, no, no man, no down't play
Speaker 1: you never because that was number one, even even do
Speaker 1: the heat Seekers even exists. Now, it's just all love.
Speaker 1: You know, I ain't trying to make it sound like
Speaker 1: I ain't. I ain't grateful, you know, I really am
Speaker 1: on me and it just blow me to it what
Speaker 1: I fucked up. But anyway, let's just keep you know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, you know, I deal with with
Speaker 1: some mohomies on some love ship, my nigga Charlie and
Speaker 1: j T. We had Excel Records, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And uh that was around the Sugar Free time, right
Speaker 1: when I was making music, and I did some really
Speaker 1: good music with my niggas. You know. Then after that,
Speaker 1: I was over there at uh working with Brainstormer and
Speaker 1: like a big bot, and then Greedy was involved to
Speaker 1: a certain extent. It's another, you know, another story. But
Speaker 1: but anyway, Uh so I bounced around, kept making music
Speaker 1: and kept trying to you know, affiliate with different ships
Speaker 1: and you know, making music here, guesting here, guesting there.
Speaker 1: But I never really uh you know, pushed like like
Speaker 1: I like I probably should have been could have you know.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know, when my sons became of
Speaker 1: age and we started really trying to you know, plug
Speaker 1: them in. So you know, they got music with some
Speaker 1: high powered cats. They got music with Glasses, they got
Speaker 1: music with Jelly Roll, they got music with Black Token,
Speaker 1: they got music with UH Day One, they got music
Speaker 1: with UH Battle Cat. You know what I'm saying. They
Speaker 1: got music with with UH, with a lot of different niggas. Man,
Speaker 1: they're working on music with other cats. And so you know,
Speaker 1: my niggas has grown men, and I'm proud of them
Speaker 1: and what they're doing and how they represent, you know,
Speaker 1: to the next level, you know. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I've always tried instilling them to stand on their own
Speaker 1: and be their own and do their own thing, you know.
Speaker 1: And so all I was just give them everything that
Speaker 1: I got to give them and allowed them to pick
Speaker 1: and choose of it what they want to take and
Speaker 1: what they want to leave there. I can't be mad
Speaker 1: at you know. Let me ask you this, man, So
Speaker 1: you know that Sugar Free came in on the tail end,
Speaker 1: what did you think of Royal Rock when you first
Speaker 1: heard you knew came in as Royal Rock. First. I
Speaker 1: liked the stabb of the comedic way he wrapped about
Speaker 1: that pimp and in the way he did this thing.
Speaker 1: It was, it was real clever, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was I had to respect it. And then when
Speaker 1: he gave me so much love, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and allowed me to be a part of that debut project.
Speaker 1: You know, it was the most eyes I've never had
Speaker 1: on anything I've ever done. You know, that's the most
Speaker 1: radio player I ever got on the song I ever
Speaker 1: been on, you know what I'm saying. So so even
Speaker 1: though I got cut out, you know, of of a
Speaker 1: lot of that because that ship blew up bigger than
Speaker 1: they thought it was, you know, because on the original version,
Speaker 1: I got the whole second verse, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying on the video And I don't even know I
Speaker 1: got cut out like that until I showed up at
Speaker 1: the video shoot uninvited. Nig didn't even tell me about
Speaker 1: the video shoot rom you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: just happened to find out through some other niggas and
Speaker 1: pulled up ready to go, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: even trip off Nigga is not telling me right what
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. When they start playing the song on
Speaker 1: me and I'm thinking it was time for my verse
Speaker 1: and make a sicker free start rapping again, I was
Speaker 1: kind of shocked, you know what I'm saying. Of Course,
Speaker 1: I still played my position and did my thing, you know,
Speaker 1: and waited to see if I was on the third
Speaker 1: verse still or not. You know what I'm saying. That
Speaker 1: was a That was a heavy Uh. That was a
Speaker 1: heavy blow man. I took that though. You know, now
Speaker 1: who think who? Who? Who? I think made that decision? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it had to be the hierarchy over there at Shepard Lane,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It had to be they
Speaker 1: had to agree to uh stand CHEVD Tony Lane dj
Speaker 1: uh the other cat naming was involved. You know, it
Speaker 1: had to be him on. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They had to do that together. They had and didn't
Speaker 1: not tell me though as it's funked up, they could
Speaker 1: have told me. I wouldn't. You know. It's a trick man,
Speaker 1: how that ship go. A lot of that be because
Speaker 1: when when they be when people be doing them slide
Speaker 1: bar move. I'm just saying overall in the industry, they
Speaker 1: forget people grown man. You could just tell me, bro, hey,
Speaker 1: look we're going in a different direction, because the hard
Speaker 1: feeling is gonna be created when you just take me
Speaker 1: off and don't tell me about the video. You could
Speaker 1: have just told me, pind of like, look, we're going
Speaker 1: in a different direction. I'm sure you would have respected that.
Speaker 1: You might have been upset, but you would have respected
Speaker 1: it more you feeling. I mean, of course, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have had no choice, you know what I'm saying, Just
Speaker 1: like I didn't have no choice right there. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you know why even though you know
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's moved now, but but but why
Speaker 1: do that? It ain't like they made the record better
Speaker 1: taking me taking me off, because the record was already moving,
Speaker 1: right record on that you know, like the most that
Speaker 1: was the record that I said, that's the one that
Speaker 1: put him on the map. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You don't know what we're talking about about if you
Speaker 1: stay ready, yeah, exactly. So it's like it's like it
Speaker 1: ain't like I didn't do my thing on that record,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I feel, you know,
Speaker 1: in all honesty, and I'm gonna just say it. I
Speaker 1: feel like niggas didn't want me to shine. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They didn't want me to get that
Speaker 1: Shoine because I wasn't locked in no situation with them
Speaker 1: and had that ship allowed me the opportunity to blow
Speaker 1: from a from that the whole second verse, that level.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying it If they didn't, they
Speaker 1: couldn't control that were you want excuse me, you want
Speaker 1: being in that video though? Right, yeah, I was there
Speaker 1: and I was in the video. I'm still in the
Speaker 1: third verse. They still gave me my few bars in
Speaker 1: the third verse, and I'm still there, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But just like on the original version of
Speaker 1: the album version and say shippar Free, We'll play a hand.
Speaker 1: But when they remixed it and say sugar Free with
Speaker 1: DJ Quick, you see what I'm saying, saying telling y'all
Speaker 1: to stay ready, you ain't gonna get ready. So that's
Speaker 1: the radio version, But my verse was already radio y'all.
Speaker 1: I was already ahead of the game when it came
Speaker 1: to that. I'm like, man, I mine, I'm wrapped. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna just cuss on ship no more. But they
Speaker 1: gotta you know, now, I'm gonna make my ship radio
Speaker 1: or still keeping, you know, make niggas think they got
Speaker 1: cutched out, you know what I'm saying. But the bottom
Speaker 1: line is, you know that was that was in addition
Speaker 1: to whatever business move they thought they was making. They
Speaker 1: didn't want me to shine on me like that on me.
Speaker 1: They just took that shine from you. But you know
Speaker 1: because you mad at none of the niggas, man, because
Speaker 1: I don't think black I don't think black tune. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think that was his get done. I don't
Speaker 1: think he even cared about ship like that. Really well,
Speaker 1: he was. He's the lane of Shepherd Lane. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know you like that. He damned
Speaker 1: I don't do him like that. You know what. We're
Speaker 1: cool at fuck, but that ain't my big on you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And it's when the business come
Speaker 1: into because you start talking about publishing, split some songs now,
Speaker 1: and the song was performing really well, so it's easy
Speaker 1: for them to say, hey man, we do on this,
Speaker 1: do quick publishing, and we got this cat play him
Speaker 1: and then he gotta have the pups on that song.
Speaker 1: We need to change that exactly, Brox. That's that's where
Speaker 1: the business coming into that public issue today. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's still because the original version still
Speaker 1: is what it is, you know. But it's still a
Speaker 1: issue when it comes to that owner ship right now,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so you ain't so
Speaker 1: let me ask you this then, because that was a
Speaker 1: big record and you didn't get your publishing off that
Speaker 1: song like he was supposed to go. I didn't get
Speaker 1: my whole peace, I gotta I got a portion, but
Speaker 1: I didn't get my whole portion, because that would have
Speaker 1: been a nice little check about that time. Though it
Speaker 1: was coming nice at first, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden the numbers got changed.
Speaker 1: And when I send my people to check it out,
Speaker 1: he said, the numbers changed, And I'm like, well, who
Speaker 1: does that? Where do you do that? How do they
Speaker 1: do that? You know what I'm saying. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's still an issue right now that that's got to
Speaker 1: be hired out, you know. But now, look, where do
Speaker 1: you get your nickname from? Because you you l A
Speaker 1: it's usually something different. You can you play in hand
Speaker 1: like where where that comes? Well, you know, in high school,
Speaker 1: ho me my boy j B. Man, my brother from
Speaker 1: another mother Man and the cat I've been looking up
Speaker 1: to ever since we've been adults. Man for everything he represents.
Speaker 1: He uh you know, I had a business partner of mine.
Speaker 1: Um he gave me that name hand right because in
Speaker 1: the high school band, uh, we all we play Susie
Speaker 1: together and so when the when the when the band
Speaker 1: conductor would call on somebody from our section to play
Speaker 1: a certain section of the song, I would always raise
Speaker 1: my hand, Oh hey, I play it. I played and
Speaker 1: just start playing it because I could play. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, read music, and everything sues the phone
Speaker 1: tooba okay, yeah, so you know the base on so
Speaker 1: uh you know, and it would say, look at the
Speaker 1: big hand. You know what I'm saying, the big hand.
Speaker 1: So they just start calling me big hand at first,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And then from there as
Speaker 1: you know, a nigga demeanor and approach to the reality
Speaker 1: mature the player. Things just came in. Play her hand,
Speaker 1: look at play her hand, and it just it's stuck.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It wants the Nigget discovered
Speaker 1: that click name Homie and what I said seeing the
Speaker 1: homie with the jaggon on and and added the mother
Speaker 1: descriptive narrative to it. You know what I'm saying, It
Speaker 1: became you know something I still represent to this day.
Speaker 1: You know it was the penthouse players. Click. You gotta
Speaker 1: tell me that you had a penhouse before? Right? Excuse me,
Speaker 1: I said you had a penhouse before? Right? Everywhere I
Speaker 1: dwell with the penthouse on that for the doghouse, the penhouse.
Speaker 1: Don't know what I'm saying. Yeah, every everywhere out to live,
Speaker 1: they can call it the penhouse. I mean, if if
Speaker 1: I just post up for a moment, maybe it's the penhouse. Now,
Speaker 1: it's all I want to go back to something real quick, Man,
Speaker 1: because I think you're very underrated as well as above
Speaker 1: the law. I don't think above the law getting nowhere
Speaker 1: near the credit that they should get man. Because they
Speaker 1: were very not seeing that Drake would never be d
Speaker 1: as the ship as there was DJ Quick. We can't
Speaker 1: never get that confused. But hutch gold Mac and letm
Speaker 1: care some was conbusive for them dog Drake because they
Speaker 1: talked Warren g gotta produce yeah, they got some ship
Speaker 1: from them dogs and don't do the ship. I think
Speaker 1: y'all could have did some incredible ship, ain't them? Hey?
Speaker 1: And we still can on me, I'll foxed with hutch
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We just ain't. We did
Speaker 1: a little something a couple of times, but our foxed
Speaker 1: with hutch Man, we were gonna probably put something together
Speaker 1: again real soon. Man. My brother was intern in Psychopathic
Speaker 1: Records and he was there the day that they signed
Speaker 1: hutch And he was the only person in the office
Speaker 1: besides I c P who knew who Hud you was? Bro?
Speaker 1: Wow was that be? That was after Ruthless? This was
Speaker 1: way after Ruthless? This was this was way after Ruthless
Speaker 1: Hutching Like, huh fo No, it probably was about ten
Speaker 1: for real, for real, it's more than ten. But huh,
Speaker 1: I remember when he signed over there. Ye, my brother
Speaker 1: was the only person in the office. He was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: you you you hut from a bud of law. Hud
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it, you know, the only person who knew
Speaker 1: who he was. Yeah, that's why they got a hold
Speaker 1: different fan base, type of crowd exactly. But when you
Speaker 1: play their music, man, you know, you know where it
Speaker 1: came from home, and you know they influenced on me
Speaker 1: and and Hutch been real humble about that, but at
Speaker 1: the same time passes progressive with it, you know. But
Speaker 1: he really, you know, he know what he can do, man,
Speaker 1: and he still do it, you know, fearlessly. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, number love and respect for hus Man
Speaker 1: plan on me. I'll respect that, the whole Promona car Man,
Speaker 1: Niggah Pipping Young, even that nigga Percy Man. You know,
Speaker 1: you know I got love for them niggas man, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: for real real man. Well, man, I appreciate you coming
Speaker 1: on brother. He's log I gotta say my nigga weel log.
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