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Speaker 2: Bring your girl around me. If you know a female

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Speaker 2: you know I'm on camp. We still away from red flags.

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Speaker 2: Don't camp.

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Speaker 3: That's cool for some red flags that quate the six flags?

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Speaker 2: Boy on boy is it?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 2: A fun ride? All my life?

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Speaker 4: Grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle back price, Want a slice?

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Speaker 2: Got the Brothers swap all my life. I've been grinding

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Speaker 2: all my life.

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Speaker 4: All my life, and grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle

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Speaker 4: my life.

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Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life.

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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shayshay. I am

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Speaker 1: your host. I'm also the propriut of Club Sha Sha

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Speaker 1: and today is a special edition because we're on the

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Speaker 1: road and the man we're on the road with today

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Speaker 1: he's the only player to win the Heisman, the BCS

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Speaker 2: Some call him Superman. I call him my nephew, Cam

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Speaker 2: Newton howl.

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Speaker 1: That intro, it was all right, what did what I

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Speaker 1: a right entrepreneur father ye.

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Speaker 2: All the dad?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, grandfather, great father, father, great father, great business. Here,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having us, Yes, making club sha shaye, come

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Speaker 1: into fellowship?

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Speaker 3: You did anytime? You ul any welcome? Look here, I

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Speaker 3: know you on an express sauce. That's bad luck. What's

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Speaker 3: the mixing spirits with unspirited drink? That's bad luck? That's

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Speaker 3: bad luck. Okay, we're here. You got water, I think yep? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: mm hm.

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Speaker 2: Hm hmm. Now let's go viral. Is it a good look?

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Speaker 2: You think you know what I'm saying. So it's rock and roll.

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Speaker 2: How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm magnificent. Many better, I'd be a twin. You

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You listen.

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Speaker 1: I'm We're here at your at your place, fellowship, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's one of the I haven't been to

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Speaker 1: have your second to none. Yes, sir, when you came

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Speaker 1: and what were you hoping to accomplish?

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Speaker 2: Well, I travel a lot and.

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Speaker 3: Smoking cigars is a part of my daily routine, and

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Speaker 3: for me, I just wanted to create something that embodies

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Speaker 3: So you know, you combine all those things together and

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Speaker 3: that's what you get out of fellowship. Was this your

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Speaker 3: first entry into being an entrepreneur, indirectly or directly, Yes,

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Speaker 1: You cast you went by we earlier when you said

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Speaker 3: In the game of football today, there's only really five

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Speaker 2: Just calling to how I see it.

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Speaker 3: When I think about game Changers, there's top two on

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes cam people. I remember when I first

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Speaker 1: you never played the game, and if you did play

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Speaker 2: So are you beyond reproach?

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Speaker 1: Are you not allowed to be critique regardless whether you're

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Speaker 2: So where are we going with this camp?

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Speaker 3: I think we're living in a day and age where

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Speaker 3: the messenger. Yeah yeah, I said game manager, And people

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Speaker 2: It so right, Wow, that's.

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Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that you listed mahomes Lamar,

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Speaker 3: Those are your and Joe Burrow, those are your game changers.

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Speaker 3: Those are the guys that you go into the game

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Speaker 3: and there's the level of expectation eat weekend and week out, sir,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna win this game, correct, Game managers, you was like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: if this goes well, if this guy plays well, this

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Speaker 2: No, it's simple.

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Speaker 3: With those five guys that are listed, you're telling them,

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Speaker 3: or the unspoken word is go win us the game.

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Speaker 3: Game managers in some regard is you're basically telling them,

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Speaker 1: You do realize, like when you say certain things like

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Speaker 2: What was the term that you use? Random randoms?

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking to myself, does he understand, like if

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Speaker 1: Did you think about it in that term.

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Speaker 3: Shannon, I tell you this, or Uncle Shy, my sole

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Speaker 2: Okay, however it comes out.

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Speaker 3: It may be aggressive, it may be you know, a

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Speaker 3: You could put me in the locker room, you could

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Speaker 2: My stature never gotten. And that's just the truth.

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna make for some very uncomfortable, tough conversations, Cam.

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Speaker 3: So bed, this is when I realized that I'm not

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Speaker 2: But at a quarterback, you have to be for everybody.

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Speaker 1: You know, you the faith of it, because you got

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Speaker 1: You actually are the CEO of the company, sir, and

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Speaker 3: Course, and I'm good with all them. Anybody, you do

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Speaker 3: the research. You probably already have people who are watching this.

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Speaker 3: Let them do their research. Find a teammate that said

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Speaker 3: Cam Newton was in the makemate.

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Speaker 1: You called me random. You come in there camera, You're

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Speaker 3: It don't necessarily matter. It's a healthy competition there. You

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Speaker 3: We're seeing it in music right now. J Cole, Kendrick,

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Speaker 3: Understand the message and where it's coming from, the purpose

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Speaker 2: You want me to dim my life so somebody else can. Well,

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Speaker 2: you have to deal your like to be a backup.

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Speaker 3: I told you who I would back up, but that

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Speaker 2: So now it's this whole.

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Speaker 3: Emancipation of who the black person is supposed to be,

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Speaker 2: Up there, I get told him. This is me telling you.

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Speaker 2: So me being in this position right now, it don't

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Speaker 3: Look where we're at. This place, sa ain't cheat. This

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Speaker 1: Why didn't you You said you ready to walk away

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Speaker 3: That's the gift and the curse, because the opportunity presented

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but see.

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Speaker 5: It's the photo to tell you toxicity. Any ride, don't camp,

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Speaker 3: That's cool, but some red flags equate the six flags.

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Speaker 2: By old boy? Is it a Is it a fun ride?

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Speaker 3: But you see the end of the day, you still

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Speaker 2: Too real.

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Speaker 5: Step.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Can't wave you hear me?

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I know who

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Speaker 3: And I'm extremely respectful to everybody. I respect everybody, and

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Speaker 3: And I've never crossed that boundary by disrespecting somebody by

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Speaker 2: Are you training to go back to play football? Man?

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Speaker 3: I'm ready right now. That's what people don't understand. I

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Speaker 3: Like after a two a day, three a day, don't matter,

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Speaker 2: Now, how about this? Getting in is the easy? Part

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Speaker 2: Put it like this, I'm not big and nobody to

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Speaker 3: If the opportunity presents itself where somebody feels the need

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Speaker 2: Yes? And what's the feedback? What's been said?

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Speaker 2: What's being said. It's the source of who's saying it. Right.

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Speaker 3: Oh ah, man, you know bringing the cam Newton into

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Speaker 3: Am I supposed to apologize for the ore that I bring?

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Speaker 3: That's me. That's what made my roar loud. I put

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Speaker 3: But when my dad know when I talk to him

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Speaker 2: Mother.

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Speaker 3: No, you've never had no problems from cam Newton. You've

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Speaker 3: seen Cam Newton oust his the organization. Knowing that this

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Speaker 2: Oh, who do you think you are? Cam Newton? Simple

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Speaker 1: If I gave you a choice the last drive, you

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Speaker 3: I had COVID. I remember playing Tom Brady in New England.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like when you're playing against a Brady

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Speaker 2: But you know what they're gonna do for you got

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Speaker 3: And as we're playing, these are the things that completions.

437
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 3: Keeping the clock rolling, you know, protecting the football, whether

438
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: in the pocket, outside the pocket, guys.

439
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: You know, staying bound. It's a lot.

440
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: It's almost like the Jordan effect, the Lebron effect, the

441
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: Steph effect.

442
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: These are great players now.

443
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: And when you're playing against them, you'll be like, if

444
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 3: you didn't feel that impact to say, you already know

445
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: who you're looking across from.

446
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: I think you two and on against Brady? Does does

447
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: it feel what you're saying now? I didn't hear you.

448
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: It was a I think you two and oh against Brady?

449
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: I think you beat him in Carolina and you beat

450
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: him in New England.

451
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Do you feel.

452
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: Different like beating a Brady or beating one of these

453
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: top or Rogers or beating one of these top tier quarterbacks?

454
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: Do you feel different when you beat one of those guys?

455
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: Only person I wish I.

456
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: I would have beat What's Peyton. You to het, I'm

457
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 3: owing two verse. Peyton obviously won in the regular season

458
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 3: when he had that crazy year with fifty five touchdowns,

459
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: and then obviously in the Super Bowl.

460
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: But other than that, I have my own right.

461
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: If I give you a choice, you got to start

462
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: a friend you Cam Newton is the general manager, and

463
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: you get Joe Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts or Rock Purty

464
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: to start your start your franchise with who you pick.

465
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: It Joe Shustein smoking Joe motherfucker cool.

466
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 3: I seen him at a Super Bowl party and I

467
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 3: was like, Yo, like this dude, I could see what

468
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: like got guys gravitating man. Listen, he got that it factor.

469
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 3: And a lot of times, especially as you cover sports

470
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: or you you talk about it, critique sports, you don't

471
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: really know these people. You don't have real interactions with them.

472
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: I met Joe, cool guy, and his oora was just right.

473
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: Just a cool lass dude. You know what I'm saying.

474
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: Not taking anything away from Jalen, not taking anything from Brock,

475
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 3: not taking anything from you know, any other person Justin

476
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: Herbert that you that.

477
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: You spoke of.

478
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: But I need guys that's gonna lead our franchise.

479
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: It's easy to say.

480
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: When things are going good, but are you gonna give

481
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 3: the confidence in that locker room where things going bad?

482
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: And that's what I look at from my sea. Who

483
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: do you think win wins the Super Bowl? First?

484
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, Rock Party, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert,

485
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Jalen Hurst, Lamar, what happened? What happened this year?

486
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: Because it seemed like everything was perfect. They had home

487
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: field throughout. They were clearly from about Week nine on

488
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: the best team in the NFL, and it wasn't close.

489
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: You look at the team that they beat. They beat

490
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: Miami by god knows how much. They did a demolition

491
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: job on the forty nine ers. They blew the doors

492
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: off Seattle. All the teams that made the playoffs or

493
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: that was playoff potentials, they just didn't skate by them.

494
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: They ram shout And then this moment AFC Championship game

495
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: on your home field, and everybody knows Lamar Jackson is

496
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: going to be the MVP.

497
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: The only question is is it going to be unanimous? Again? Yeah?

498
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 3: I think one thing that Lamar and the Ravens organization

499
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 3: just has to figure out it's how to win the

500
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: ugly games.

501
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: It's one of them situations.

502
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: Like sometimes when I look at Lamar, it's like, bro,

503
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: you just stop thinking. And it's easy for a guy

504
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: with that much talent to think, Oh, it's so many

505
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: Like as a chef, you could prepare this meal in

506
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 3: so many different ways. But everybody know your signature signature

507
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: is smoked. Man, Smoke this motherfucking and get on a

508
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: bout your day. You got to win. Find a way

509
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: to win the ugly games, and we can talk about

510
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: the other stuff later. Patrick Mahomes has found a way

511
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: to do that. I don't care what we need to

512
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: do or we can talk about all this other them

513
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: drop balls. We can worry about all that shit after

514
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: the end of the game. Let's find a way to win.

515
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey Man, We're gonna find a way to fucking win.

516
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: And I think for Lamar once he figures that out,

517
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: not to say that he hasn't, but everybody around because

518
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: it's just not Lamar, it's everybody finding a way to win.

519
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 3: That's what made Tom Brady and the New England Patriots

520
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: so dynamic, because it could be we're gonna find a

521
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: way to win that Super Bowl in Atlanta.

522
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: That was the ugliest super Bowl ever.

523
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: Yes, the Patriots versus the Rams, low scoring. We thought

524
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: it was gonna be a fire up and down thirty

525
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: five thirty one. Man, it was thirteen to three, low

526
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: scoring game. We gotta find a way to win. And

527
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: once he figures that out, the organization figures that out.

528
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that because Brady mastered that.

529
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Patrick Mahomes because you look at the

530
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowl against Philly. He threw four one hundred and

531
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: eighty yards, but every yard mattered. Correct this, he didn't

532
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: have what he ended up going overtime, and I think

533
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: he might've had close to three hundred. But you say that,

534
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: it's like finding ways to win that people don't think

535
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: you can because everybody thinks that he's supposed to throw

536
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: for three four hundred yards and that's the only way

537
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: they can win. But sometimes he turned into a game

538
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: manager because he toarm Brady was the greatest game manager

539
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: and the greatest because he understood, man, this is gonna

540
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: be a low scoring game. Man, I can't put this

541
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: ball in harm's way. I can't fumble, I can't make mistakes.

542
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: Or knowing how to compartmentalize the different versions of yourself,

543
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: and that's what makes you a game changer, because it may.

544
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: Say, hey hey hey, easy, easy, easy, hey check.

545
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: Check check hey Bronco, hey, Bronco. Hey, fifty two is

546
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: of mic that's checking into a run play. It's too high.

547
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: I know what it is.

548
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: I want to take this shot. We're calling two plays

549
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: this second and short or third and one. We're going

550
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: to be aggressive.

551
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, hey, easy.

552
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: Hey, I gotta get us out this play, first down,

553
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: one yard game cool, that's fine. I need to understand

554
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: what version of myself that I need to go into

555
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: my deck of cards and say, okay, boom, I'm throw

556
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: that legend, that little tennis spade out.

557
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: It's gonna walk though. She did what I'm saying.

558
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: Each so each game, a quarterback Cam Newton has to

559
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: go in there. I have to be the best version

560
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: today of what is needed of me today.

561
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: I might not need to be Superman today.

562
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: Put a microscope to it and even this play, okay,

563
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: not today. Because out in a given game, you may

564
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: have anywhere from forty five plays to sixty two plays.

565
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: That's just been documented. What a regular game for offense

566
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: may look like those plays. Each play will never look

567
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: the same. So you have to sit up there and say, oh,

568
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: well I got one right here. Hey, hey, easy, we're good.

569
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: Sat while they the easy no no, no, no, no, no,

570
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: we're good and you're taking your shot. That same thing

571
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: may come out the next play. You want to take

572
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: another shot. Hoh no no no, no no, no, he killed

573
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: that kill that. These are what the outside pundits don't realize.

574
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: It's a chess match, and too many times people forget

575
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: that in football.

576
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: You just think it's eleven on eleven.

577
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: It's about splitting that number down the middle of and

578
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: finding your one on one right and the great ones.

579
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: To do it, and you see what makes them great.

580
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: The Cowboys are in a very precarious situation because they

581
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: find themselves in a very similar situation to where they

582
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: were four years ago. Dak Prescott going into the final

583
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: year of his contract that time they franchised, that made

584
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: it play on a franchise tag, thought about franchising and

585
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: get to give Hi a long term deal.

586
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: So here we are again. What is it that Dak

587
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: needs to do?

588
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: What is it that Dak hasn't done to convince the

589
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: Cowboys because clearly they're not convinced because Jerry said it

590
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: after We're only going to go as far as Dak

591
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: carry us, and this was as far as he could

592
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: carry us. What are you seeing from Dak's what's going

593
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: on with Dak? What's going on with the Cowboys offense?

594
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: That in big games he doesn't play his best?

595
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: This mess is just too Dak Prescott.

596
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: We're looking for that motherfucking dog, and I don't think

597
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones will allow him to become that.

598
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: Because you got to be politically correct.

599
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: You got to be almost the president of football, almost

600
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: to be the signal caller for the Dallas Cowboys. What

601
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys need at that quarterback position is somebody saying, now,

602
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: fuck that, this is my shit, this is what we're

603
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: gonna do. I hear all that, but we're trying to win.

604
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: We're trying to win, yes or no, Okay, cool now,

605
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 3: unleash me and let me win this football game. That

606
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 3: type of aura, I don't think that can be that.

607
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: No, because Jerry wants to win his way, you see

608
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

609
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: So those are gonna be very combative forces that I

610
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: don't know if they can get to that next level.

611
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: I know a guy that played quarterback that didn't win

612
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: their as much Dak, probably one more playoff game than him,

613
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: and he never had to worry about a contract.

614
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: The guy that Dak come on came after. That's what

615
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I mean, am I missing for the people

616
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: that we're keep it at a bout? Now? Who you

617
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: talking about? So? So? So the people know?

618
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: All I know is Tony Romans made the highest played

619
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: quarterback in football with no Super Bowl, no NFC Championship game,

620
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: no first Team All prow the Team All pros.

621
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: He ain't. He ain't never had to worry about a contract.

622
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 3: And when he's done playing, he gets a deal that

623
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 3: nobody else gets. So what are we really talking about?

624
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: So you won't cam Newton to shut up and shit

625
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: it back when I'm telling y'all that this is ain't

626
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: There's different rules for different people. Yes, when I could

627
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: sit up here and say, hold on easy, that's a

628
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: slant coming head, watch the pressure. Hey watch this and

629
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: watch that as a as an athletic quarterback, you don't

630
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 3: get enough credit. You think Lamar Jackson has been as

631
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: successful as he is by him not understanding the football

632
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: game and how people are gonna try to play him

633
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, these athletic quarterbacks.

634
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: Come on now, you said, like, okay, Romo got what

635
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: he got when he played, and then he goes out

636
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: and he becomes color of CBS gets this long term deal.

637
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: At the prime time game. He ain't. Oh yeah, he's

638
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: no boy.

639
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: I take another guy who I have a whole much

640
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 3: respectful and call me Bias Greg Olsen. Yeah, Greg Oson

641
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: ain't get that deal. So it can't be no black

642
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: and white thing. It's just like, yo, how why how

643
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 3: did he get that?

644
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 2: You want to call games? Man?

645
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: I want the money. I figure anything else. Shit, I

646
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: asked you a question about that, and what made you

647
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: get into lepart heah, yeah, it's because, shit, you realize

648
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: that you could become a billionaire.

649
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: Shit.

650
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 3: We'll figure all the other rest of this stuff out later.

651
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: I ain't no different.

652
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: Cam. Do you want to call game? Nope? Shit, we're

653
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 2: gonna give you thirty million dollars a year.

654
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: Shit, Jo, but you can't go Cam, you can't go

655
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: in there and saying no, you have yes, I would

656
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: love the call games?

657
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I love to call what' that contract look

658
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: like we're gonna give you seven hundred and fifty thousand?

659
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: All right, I'm good. Well man, I mean they're probably.

660
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: I mean, it all depends on where you calling. You're

661
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: calling the you know you're the number one slot or

662
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: the number two slot. Number one slot? You know is here?

663
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: Man, you gotta know who you are. You see what

664
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

665
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: You take, you take certain people from certain situations in

666
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: that situation ain't the same my point, period, undisputed, ain't

667
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: been the same since Shannon Sharp move walked up out

668
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 3: of them. Shannon Sharp gonna be straight, not skim. Why

669
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: them raiders ain't what they are now?

670
00:36:59,680 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: Oh?

671
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: Is because of you. No, you gotta figure out. You

672
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: got to know who you are, bro.

673
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: You do care.

674
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: But I think the thing is is that we are

675
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: not gonna get allowed to start at the top. You

676
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: started in the mail room, and then you're gonna start

677
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: carrying the mail and then you're gonna work your way

678
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: up before you get to the penhouse. You're not going

679
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: to the penhouse. You have to understand that. And see,

680
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: I once see you can be good at any game

681
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: if you understand the rules and how to play the game.

682
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: I understand that, and I'm exposing that. So you do

683
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: me a favor.

684
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 3: Okay, you go back to the introduction and you give

685
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: that resume, and you put that on.

686
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: Dan Oloski and see if he don't become getting the

687
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: number one slide up. Hello. You see what I'm saying.

688
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: I understand what the rules are. I'm just here to

689
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: expose it.

690
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: Like your CONSTENTI with Kat William said, I'm just here

691
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: to collect information and I'm just here to report it.

692
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: Don't get mad that I'm reporting what I've obviously seen,

693
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: what's to be true.

694
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: And what everybody else knows. They just don't say it correct.

695
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 3: So you're gonna make me the bad guy because I'm

696
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: reporting the truth. No, No, I'm not gonna do that.

697
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: I'm not in the position. I don't need you, you

698
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: don't need me, but people need the truth.

699
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 2: You had a very interesting take on Kirk Cousins.

700
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: You're like, I want to know who his agent is

701
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: for sure, because I want to know how man that's

702
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: won one playoff game been a game manager his entire

703
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: career and get guaranteed three hundred and three hundred and

704
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: thirty one million dollars thirty five, He's coming off season

705
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: ending Achilles surgery at his age. The foul cous just

706
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: gave him one hundred and eighty million, one hundred million

707
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: guaranteed fifty million at the time of signing.

708
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: It ain't even I mean, that's egregious and I love

709
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: the fact that he's able to get that money. But

710
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: what the Falcons paid Kirk Cousins. They could have got

711
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: Cam Newton, Justin Fields and Michael vic.

712
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: For that price.

713
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: You do realize they could have gave up two first

714
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: round and they got Lamar Jackson for But.

715
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: We're not talking about that. See, this is the thing about.

716
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: Sports that we don't do a better job with holding

717
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: people to the fire.

718
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: You a judge, you a critique Dak Prescott.

719
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: You'll critique Cam Newton, you'll critique Lamar Jackson, you will

720
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: critique Patrick Mahomes.

721
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 2: But who's to say for.

722
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 3: The ownership, the management and all these decision makers by

723
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: tricking off these key decisions. But they want you to

724
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: just shut up and play I'm center for at the like,

725
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: when are we gonna admit that these coaches really don't

726
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 3: know what they're doing, These managers don't know what they're doing.

727
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: These owners really don't know what they're.

728
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: Doing, or they're making bad situations, and that the franchise

729
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 3: is suffering from that.

730
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: It's not just that y'all don't have good players.

731
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: Well, see, here's the thing. If you and I make

732
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: a bad decision. Let's just say we make a bad investment,

733
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: we can't recoup that. They make a bad investment. The

734
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: TV contract's gonna pay them three hundred four hundred million dollars,

735
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: So what are they actually lost? You see how you

736
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: overcome a bad investment. If you make a bad Let's

737
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: just say you go out there and buy a piece

738
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: of property.

739
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: For fifty million.

740
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: You're like, damn, I'm out of this fifty million, But

741
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: you say, you know what, I got one hundred million

742
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: coming in. Ain't no skin off my back nothing. See

743
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: that's how they look at it. And see I look

744
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: at Atlanta. I think they were looking for the next

745
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan because the most successful quarterback in their history.

746
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: I guess far As wins and get into the Super Bowl.

747
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: You look at Matt Ryan because it is basically a

748
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: carbon copy of it.

749
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: Matt Ryan had Tony again Zalez arguably or he's top three.

750
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you had Roddy White. He had Julio,

751
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: he had some weapons. But they say, look here we

752
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: got jaw. You had a defense. Yeah yeah, I mean

753
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: you had Julio.

754
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 2: That's all you need.

755
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: But they say, we got Jon Robinson, we got Drake London,

756
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: we got Kyle Pitts. I think they signed Mooney from Chicago.

757
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: So there's like, we just need somebody to get him

758
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: the ball.

759
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: That's cool, But I'm telling you, with that one hundred

760
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: and eighty that you gave that guy, you could have had,

761
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: if not more talent at that position, and you was

762
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: gonna sell out right.

763
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm here man.

764
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: We are across the street from Mercedes Beand Stadium.

765
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: Yes, people after games.

766
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: For the four years that Fellowship has been open, has

767
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: been in saying the same argument. When you go in

768
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: that stadium sometimes it's not max the capacity. I was

769
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 3: a teenager when Michael Vick was here.

770
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: Come on, no, man, that mother bruh.

771
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: And they wasn't elite, no, but Michael Vick to Atlanta

772
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 3: was something that the city needed. And that's where you

773
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 3: gotta talk to management to say, hey, listen, I understand

774
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 3: it's twofold. We gotta win football games, and we gotta

775
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: sell tickets. I don't know, and I'm not saying that

776
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: to shame Kirk Cousins. What I am saying is, let's

777
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: give a little bit more perspective too, because the perspective

778
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: about it is my take personally was Cam's getting old.

779
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: He ain't getting no younger. He thirty two at the time.

780
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 3: He's coming off of shoulder injury. Linz Frank all things

781
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 3: that are not quote unquote serious injuries.

782
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: They're not career ending. Career ending.

783
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: If you toyo Achilles back when you was playing, you're done.

784
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, You're never the same thing.

785
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: So now he's coming back. I had this take on

786
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: fourth and one. You're giving this person the money coming

787
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 3: off of injury.

788
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: So.

789
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: How am I supposed to feel because the same questions

790
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: and the same concerns.

791
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: That you had with me.

792
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: Obviously you don't overlook that you seem to have don't

793
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: have those concerns with him. And if you give Kirk

794
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: Cousins my resume, he probably would have gotten more.

795
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: But I'm tripping, but I'm better, But I'm mad. I'm not.

796
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: I'm just exposing the truth and it's for you to

797
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 3: digest however you feel.

798
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: There are a lot of running backs that traded that

799
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: changed teams. Derrick Henry went to the the Ravens, Saquon

800
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: Barkley went to the Eagles, and Joe Mixon went to

801
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: the Texans. They also got Stefan Diggs. Which running back

802
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: do you feel will have the biggest impact.

803
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: The biggest impact.

804
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: I don't think he has as many yards, but I

805
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 3: think he has a bigger impact Derick Carry.

806
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: I think so too. You know what I'm saying, he

807
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: made a great year for Derick Carry.

808
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 3: Would be seven hundred and fifty yards, not a thousand

809
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 3: that he used to because obviously you got to share

810
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 3: that workload with Lamar. But if he can get seven

811
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: fifty and take that put these games away, like we've

812
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 3: all known the Baltimore Ravens just to.

813
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: Bring their teams into submission. I think Derrick Henry, I.

814
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: Think Derek here needs to have about eleven hundred because

815
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: I don't want Lamar to run. Because now when you

816
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: play action that thing with big d Henry coming down

817
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: the hill and you like he roll over and Lamar

818
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: pulls that ball up out of there, Zay Flowers, those

819
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be running.

820
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.

821
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: But I don't think eleven hundred yards is gonna make

822
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: it make a break.

823
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: That impact ain't nothing in seventeen games. That's which is true.

824
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: But you gotta understand, I don't see Derrick Henry averaging

825
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty one hundred and forty yards. No,

826
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: can he give us seventy yes, yes, so seventy times

827
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: seventeen If that's the average, that's all we need that.

828
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: And then when you get into the red zone, we

829
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: gotta shrink this field. Now they really gonna be on

830
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: an attack and dictating to the defense.

831
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: Now we're playing chess.

832
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, you played a couple of years with him.

833
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: I believe he's the best running back in football because

834
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: of what he can do. He's not two hundred and

835
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: twenty five pounds, but he can run inside, he can

836
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: run outside. You can put him in the slide, he

837
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: can catch it, you can put him out wide, you

838
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: can swak dump it to him. He can make people miss,

839
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: and he's better. He's better than you think it pass

840
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: protected even though it Besides, what did you notice about

841
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: c mac when he was there with you in Caroline?

842
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffer was polished to be a.

843
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: Professional football player when he was in wreck ball like well,

844
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the viral clip went around when

845
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 3: you know his father Ed was giving him a v's

846
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: and in high school, that's that's a little different. His

847
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: preparation before the game. The people don't see how he

848
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 3: take care of his body. A big Bruce Lee fan,

849
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: you know, b As Walter, this guy takes care of

850
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: his body better than I've ever seen anybody.

851
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: From his dieting to his.

852
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: Training physios, just preparation before you know practice.

853
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: He has a real routine and I think for him

854
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: it's not about size because he understands the Christian McCaffrey

855
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: that we see today was not the Christian McCaffrey saw

856
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: as a rookie. He realized, I have to put on

857
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: way to endure this type of beating. But I think

858
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey is capped by the position that he plays

859
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: because he's so much more than just a running back.

860
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: If you really want to put Christian McCaffrey, he could

861
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: be a top ten receiver.

862
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: And that's not fabrication. This is if you say, all right,

863
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: ce Mac.

864
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: This year, we're gonna move you from running back and

865
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: we're gonna put you, and I guarantee you he does numbers.

866
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: That's just his position gives him that what I think

867
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 3: he's making seventeen a year around that where he should

868
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 3: be making twenty.

869
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: Five at like a top tier receiver.

870
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: Right, that's just the impact that Christian McCaffrey has.

871
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: There was a lot of speculation, and I don't know

872
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: how true it is because I haven't really talked to

873
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: anybody about Lamar and that like free agent wide receivers,

874
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: top free agent wide receivers didn't want to go there

875
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: because it's not that they don't believe Lamar can throw.

876
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: It's just the type of offense that they believe they run.

877
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna be doing more blocking than catching. Was that

878
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: something that you experienced that It wasn't that Cam couldn't throw,

879
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: because you threw for four thousand yards as a rookie,

880
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: so clearly you can throw the football. But because of

881
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: the type of offense that you guys ran receivers, free

882
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: agent receivers felt that, man, I'm not gonna get an

883
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: opportunity to showcase and they're gonna say I'm a bus

884
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: because I'm not catching hundred balls.

885
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 3: It's the situation as a receiver that you got to say,

886
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 3: hold on, that's not a good situation for me. I'm

887
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: a fan of Lamar. I'm speaking as a receiver. I'm

888
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 3: a fan of Lamar, but that may not be the

889
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: right situation. I don't think Stefan Diggs was sitting up

890
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: there saying I don't want to go to Baltimore. I

891
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: think we found that out with Odell. You know, Odell

892
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: wasn't featured like he would have thought right featured, But

893
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 3: that doesn't say he's not. He still doesn't have it.

894
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: But I've definitely dealt with that as well. And I

895
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: think the Ravens organization is not in the position of

896
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: trying to promote Pro Bowl players. We're trying to create

897
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: Super Bowl players, right, and our system is what it is,

898
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 3: and it goes through and it stops with Lamar Jackson. Right.

899
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: Two part question, Russell Wilson comes to Denver. We know

900
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: what he did.

901
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: Didn't see how the goals without saying he went to

902
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl one one lost, another was a bad

903
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: play call away from possibly winning two Super Bowls within

904
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: his first two to three years, first two to three

905
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: years of his NFL career. What forty fifty thousand yards

906
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: passing over three hundred touchdowns. He's gonna have four hundred

907
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: touchdown passing touchdowns before. Why didn't it work in Denver?

908
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've heard the stories about how some

909
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: of the things transpired that wasn't football related.

910
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't think when you change ownership or

911
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 3: when you change coaching, they gotta go with they guys.

912
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 3: I don't think when Sean Payton got into that locker room,

913
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 3: I don't think Russell was his guy and it impacted

914
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: his play, whether the pressure of everything and your psyche

915
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 3: or while you're playing good or bad, you know you

916
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 3: got that in the back of your mind.

917
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: They tried to make it work, but it just wasn't that.

918
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: That's one Number two is he didn't have the support

919
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 3: that he had in Seattle. Now you would have thought

920
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: how many times the Carolina Panthers played Seattle Seahawks. They

921
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: was a divisional game and it was some battles, right,

922
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: So I knew the impact of the Legion of Doom

923
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 3: or the Legion of Boom, however you.

924
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: Want to look at it. The Twelfth Man with.

925
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 3: Earl Thomas camp Chap Richard Sherman, and Wagner, kJ Wright,

926
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 3: you know, Bruce Irvin, like these guys like they were intimidating, bro,

927
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 3: and they wasn't trying to beat their homeboys and dap

928
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 3: you up.

929
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: We'll do that shit after the.

930
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: Season, even at the end of the game. We ain't

931
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: with no friendly shit with you, bro. Fuck you when

932
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 3: you have that to look across. I don't think he

933
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 3: had that type of same support.

934
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: In Denver.

935
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: Not to say that that defense wasn't a stand up defense.

936
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: It was just a lot of culminations of things where

937
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 3: it was.

938
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: Just a style of play.

939
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll had that organization like they they was bound

940
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: to have something happened. I was like, oh, broy, don't

941
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: happened to nobody but Seattle. They're always a playaway.

942
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: You know.

943
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 3: When you see that that comeback from the Green Bay

944
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 3: that year, it was just like it would not happen

945
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: to no other team. Even when we played him during

946
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: our year going to the Super Bowl, we were up

947
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: by like twenty eight points. They came back and.

948
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: If it wasn't for an on side kick that we recovered.

949
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: Sh that was just that type of team, And you know,

950
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 3: I don't think that was the same rollout in Denver

951
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,959
Speaker 3: that he had and.

952
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: Then you get Justin Fields his situation, goals of the

953
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: I think fifteenth big overall, I think he top twenty pick,

954
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: had some good moments, tremendous legs, tremendous legs, studied, got

955
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: better at studying, Understand the place, Understand what was expected

956
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: of him.

957
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 2: Why didn't they work in Chicago?

958
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: But that's where we got it. Also, not just critique

959
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 3: Justin Fields, we got a critique management man. They didn't

960
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: put him into the best positions to be success. He's

961
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: running the unbelievable legs. He's running for us life. You

962
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 3: put somebody else into that can't run, he would have

963
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: doubled the sacks.

964
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: And also.

965
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: Preparing him or having him evolve as a player that

966
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: he needs to become. That's coaching, that's general management, that's ownership.

967
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: This is our franchise guy. We gotta develop him in

968
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 3: a way for longevity. We're seeing the same thing kind

969
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: of happen with Bryce Young. If y'all don't develop this

970
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 3: player in the right way, then we're going to say

971
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: after a year or two he was a bus.

972
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 2: But that's not the player.

973
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: That's the management going into a situation because if you

974
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: were to ask you, if you were to put the

975
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 3: power back into the players during the draft, and if

976
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 3: it wasn't up to management to say who they wanted

977
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: to go to. A lot of these teams, nobody wanted

978
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 3: to go there because they know the insufficiencies of men.

979
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 3: But the players don't have that eli power to say, now,

980
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 3: I don't want to go over here. But if they did,

981
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: it would be more team saying I don't want to

982
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 3: go to this team. Why would I want to do that.

983
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: I've seen what.

984
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: Y'all did to him, right, I ain't gonna do that

985
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: with me.

986
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: So so now both of these guys end up in Pittsburgh.

987
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin and he says, right now, Russell Wilson is

988
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: in the pole position, and there'll be there'll be time

989
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: that Justin Fields will be able to compete for the

990
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: starting job. So what do you think the Steelers thought

991
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: process was? Because I have my opinion on what I

992
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: think it is. Tell me what you think it is.

993
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: I think Mike Tomlin is doing what I just said,

994
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 3: He's developing Justin Fields. Hey, we're going to bring in

995
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 3: a veteran that you can see not only his preparation

996
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 3: on the field, But how does he take care of

997
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 3: his body? I want you to study that. And then

998
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: he's on a one year contract. If he does not produce,

999
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 3: then you will be inserted to take on that. And

1000
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 3: you're still young enough yees to be labeled a franchise guy.

1001
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's chest here.

1002
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 3: And if anybody can coach, Justin feels it's Mike Tomlin

1003
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 3: because he knows the struggles. He knows how the vernacular

1004
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: or choice of words to get through to his quarterback

1005
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 3: in that.

1006
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: Type of in that type of manner. What does Lamar

1007
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: have to do to get to that Super Bowl?

1008
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 1: Because he's he's been an MVP twice, Yeah, one vote

1009
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: away from being a two time unanimous MVP, two times

1010
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: first team All Pro Pro Bowls. We know he's going

1011
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame, but I believe he needs

1012
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: that that one super Bowl. Now we start talking about

1013
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: Lamar is one of those pantheon, one of those top

1014
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: six seven quarterbacks with multiple suits, because there are many

1015
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: that have multiple multiple MVPs and Super Bowl.

1016
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 3: But this is the thing that I think we get

1017
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: so jaded and distracted by things that have so many

1018
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: different determining factors, right, Does Brady have as many Super

1019
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 3: Bowl rings without certain rules being in place? Does Patrick

1020
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: Mahomes have, you know, the same amount of If this

1021
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 3: play goes one way, that play goes another.

1022
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 2: I don't think.

1023
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson's greatness is dictated or predicated off of him

1024
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 3: winning the Super Bowl.

1025
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: No, He's great, for sure, But that est is what

1026
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: we're trying to add for sure.

1027
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: But I think, like I said earlier, the Baltimore Ravens

1028
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 3: have to find a way to win the ugly game.

1029
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if.

1030
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 3: We can find a way to win those type of

1031
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: games that's all three levels and three phases of football,

1032
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 3: that's offensively, defensively, as special teams, if we can find

1033
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: a way to win those type of games, then we'll

1034
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 3: be good. That's no denying that they have enough talent

1035
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 3: to win. But I don't want the pressure to be

1036
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 3: on any player to think that you got to win

1037
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl to be labeled a great player or

1038
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: a generational player. We've seen it time and time again.

1039
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: I always ask this question because it's so it's so

1040
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 3: paramount to putting perspective into sports. What's more important impact

1041
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 3: or championships? You look at a guy like Alan Iverson.

1042
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 3: Is he not great?

1043
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: Yes? Does he not get the est? No?

1044
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 1: I think that me the way I look at it, Cam,

1045
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: and you correct me if I'm wrong. I believe you

1046
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: can be great without winning a championship, but in order

1047
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: for us to add the est, you have to have

1048
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: won a championship. Karl Malone is a great player. Is

1049
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: he better than Tim Duncan because they didn't have time,

1050
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: he can't be Charles Barkley is a great player. I

1051
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: believe you can be great without winning a championship in

1052
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: any sport.

1053
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: Bad bonds, but you have to win championships. But you're

1054
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 2: you're thinking about a lot of determining factors.

1055
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: When the same determinive factors that went into him winning

1056
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: the MVP.

1057
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: Which is true, but hear me out.

1058
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 3: Karl Malone was a great player and was a shot

1059
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: away from obtaining NBA championship if it wasn't for the

1060
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 3: Russell push off. Yeah, well push off, crosshover and then boom.

1061
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: We seen Michael Jordan's last shot as a bull. Yes,

1062
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: if he misses that shot, then Karl Malone, who do

1063
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 3: we know him to still have that same thing? So

1064
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: his greatness was still it is what it is you're going.

1065
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 3: It's so many different things in sports that we look

1066
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: at and say to ourselves. I mean, let's look at

1067
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 3: Caitlin in college right now? Yes, all right, during this time.

1068
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: You know, we don't know if she's gonna win the

1069
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 3: national championship, right but her not winning the national championship

1070
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: does that suppress her greatness?

1071
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: No, she's still great. But I don't put I can't

1072
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: put her in front of Tarassi. I can't put her

1073
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: in front of a Stewart. I can't put it in

1074
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: the others that have multiple multiple championships and have the

1075
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: same credentials. They they they won Final four US and

1076
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: one Finals, m VP, they won Nasmith Awards.

1077
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: So I just like I said, is she great? Yes?

1078
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: I believe you can be great without winning a championship.

1079
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: But in order for us to add the est, you

1080
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: have to have a championship, Sailor.

1081
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: That's that's opinionated.

1082
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: But if you that's just a discussion that barbershops all

1083
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 3: across America and and cigar conversations.

1084
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: Mess your question.

1085
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: Without those championships, would you still look at Kobe the

1086
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: same way? Without those championships? Would you still look at

1087
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: Jordan the same way without those championships.

1088
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 3: Yes, no way, yes, no, because I'm gonna tell you this,

1089
00:59:54,080 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 3: no uh uh no, you're right, you're right. But I

1090
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 3: don't respect the championship that Kobe won with Shop more

1091
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 3: than I appreciate the championship that he won with Lamar

1092
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: Oldham or Power or Derek Fisher.

1093
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 2: That one was a grinder.

1094
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: That's a person going up back to what I'm saying,

1095
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: heat Man, there was some ugly wins. Yes, it required

1096
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 3: him to exert just as much energy on the offensive

1097
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 3: side as the defensive side. He's guarding the best player

1098
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: and I'm still giving everything that I got, But that

1099
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 3: still doesn't negate that he was on a great team.

1100
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like those teammates have to

1101
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 3: also understand the amount of uh the amount of focus

1102
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: that it requires, Like, well, you got a great player.

1103
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: We can't just say, oh, Lamar got it.

1104
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 3: Everybody got a emergency has to has to rise and

1105
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 3: the great players brings that out from the whole organization.

1106
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes does it, Tom Brady has done it, And

1107
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 3: I see what you're saying, So I would agree with

1108
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 3: what you're saying.

1109
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: The Panther, the team that you spent the lion's yere

1110
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: of your career with. How do they put Bryce Young

1111
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: in a situation where they can get the maximum value

1112
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: for what they gave to get it?

1113
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: Well, I remember having a conversation with.

1114
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 3: A brief conversation with him, and during Super Bowl I

1115
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 3: saw him at a party, and I think he needs

1116
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 3: to understand that voicing his opinion is important. Yes, some

1117
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 3: quarterbacks have that freedom too, and some don't. You ain't

1118
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: at the age or you could tell us.

1119
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: Who and what you are you're a rookie.

1120
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you have to because every offensive coordinator asked

1121
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 3: their quarterback this question. Game on the line, third and four,

1122
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 3: third and eight, got to have a situation, who would

1123
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 3: you prefer to.

1124
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 2: Throw the football to?

1125
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 3: See what I'm saying, So, game on the line or

1126
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: going into this season?

1127
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 2: What do you need to be successful? Right? And he

1128
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: needs to have those answers for that, So talk to Bryce.

1129
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 3: Bryce has to obviously be open to doing it, not

1130
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 3: doing it publicly, right, but doing it behind the scenes

1131
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 3: to say, listen, if we got this person in the draft,

1132
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 3: this is who I want, right, Like I need to

1133
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 3: be protected and not to just think selflessly on the

1134
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 3: offensive side.

1135
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: Man, we need defense.

1136
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 3: We need to control, like understand what our division is

1137
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 3: because first, in any type of team atmosphere, you have

1138
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: to dominate your division first. That only guarantees you that

1139
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 3: you will go to the play.

1140
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not so sure they know what the hell

1141
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: they're doing because they had an opportunity to get to

1142
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: first round for Brian Burns and they trade him to

1143
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: the Giants for less than that.

1144
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: We have to start holding these people, and its accountable.

1145
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Yes, And when a guy

1146
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: like me says that, like what the fuck would you do?

1147
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: I tell you what I do. You know what I'm saying.

1148
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 3: It's a lot of things that are even going back

1149
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 3: to the franchise. It's like, bro, you should not have

1150
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 3: clean house like you clean house. Getting rid of a

1151
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 3: Ryan Khalil impacted that offensive line. Getting rid of Thomas

1152
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 3: Davis impacted that defense, not just the linebackers.

1153
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 2: Losing Luke, how you lost Luke?

1154
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 3: Luke retired, right, But I do think Luke would not

1155
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 3: have retired if he knew that locker room was still

1156
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 3: gonna be intact. He probably would have took some time off, right,

1157
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 3: and his health isn't important. You know, taking concussions extremely serious,

1158
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 3: but that would have been something that you would have

1159
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 3: had to consider being the Luke Keickley knowing that I

1160
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 3: still got KK Short, I still got Charles Johnson, I

1161
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 3: still got Thomas Davis, I still got guys that that's

1162
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: gonna that's gonna battle with me. You did what I'm saying,

1163
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 3: Julius Pepper's they all left and that's These are the

1164
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 3: things that he had to think that I say, hold on,

1165
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 3: we ain't got none of that. I gotta start over now.

1166
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 3: I'm good with that. And I can't speak for Luke,

1167
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 3: but these are the things that on hindsight, you got

1168
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 3: to think about your door.

1169
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: All intends of prayer. He's gonna come out this year

1170
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: and his father, Coach Prime, said, look, I don't want

1171
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: my son to play in the cold weather, and I'm

1172
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: gonna term you know, I'm gonna have.

1173
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 2: A say where he plays.

1174
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: He said, Eli did it even I told Teams, I

1175
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: ain't going there. The thing that he has that Eli

1176
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: had is that his dad had money, got cloud and

1177
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: so you know, he didn't come from no situation where

1178
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, we even catch up with a knit needle. Yeah,

1179
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: you know we robbing Peter to pay Paul. What do

1180
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: you think what's an ideal situation?

1181
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 2: What?

1182
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: First of all, what do you think about coach Prime

1183
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: saying that he wants your door to be X y

1184
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: Z And what do you think ideal landing spot?

1185
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: Push your do it with me Atlanta. They just gave

1186
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: first cousins all that money. We'll figure all that other

1187
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 2: shit out.

1188
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 3: You ever heard a dead Caphlebroncos got eighty five million.

1189
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 3: We'll figure out that other shit out if Prime can

1190
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 3: get shoulder.

1191
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: In Atlanta.

1192
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 3: But let me tell you something, all businesses include a

1193
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 3: magic city will be.

1194
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: Appreciative of that, right there. Real talk.

1195
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,959
Speaker 3: So these are the things that But I don't think

1196
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 3: he'll be a top four pick, as he was on

1197
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 3: record the same and that's fine. I remember having a

1198
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 3: conversation with Shaun Watson when he got drafted because Deshaun

1199
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 3: just alike with Justin Fields.

1200
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,479
Speaker 2: They came through my seven or seven program and I.

1201
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: Had both from Georgia, one from Gainesville and I think

1202
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: uh from Kenlsack.

1203
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 3: Yes, sir Rob he went not Rob har Harrison, correct,

1204
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 3: And I remember telling them you're in the best situation

1205
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 3: than any other the quarterbacks. He I think Deshaun went

1206
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 3: twelfth to Houston. You got a quality receiver in d

1207
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 3: hot you know what I'm saying. And that level of

1208
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 3: expectation is it like you can?

1209
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: You can?

1210
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I think really too, and

1211
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 3: I say this humbly. My success in the league was

1212
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 3: not good for the upcoming rookie quarterbacks. When you see

1213
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 3: guys like Peyton Peyton Manning didn't become good until after

1214
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 3: second and third year.

1215
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: They threw them out there in the fire.

1216
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 3: But if Peyton Manning was drafted in this day and

1217
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 3: age of expectations and.

1218
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 2: Throw no, no, hell no.

1219
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 3: But when they when you see a guy like a

1220
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 3: Joe Borrow, when you see guys that have early success.

1221
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: Stride j Strid, Oh my goodness.

1222
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 3: But you want to go somewhere where you can really

1223
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 3: take your time and becoming the guy your way.

1224
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.

1225
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 3: And that's just some of the things that you got

1226
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 3: to think about. So from Prime's perspective, it's not just

1227
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 3: whether that that I.

1228
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 2: Think he's trying to run away from. It's the situation

1229
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 2: and the best to quit.

1230
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 3: Come on, now, when you think about it, and you say,

1231
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 3: do we go to.

1232
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 2: A Giants.

1233
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 3: And he don't got the talent that he's capable of having, or.

1234
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 2: A Las Vegas.

1235
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 3: See what I'm saying, Like, Oh, okay, I see what

1236
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 3: y'all trying to do over here. We're gonna take our

1237
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 3: talents over there. I don't think weather has anything to

1238
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 3: do with it. I think certain situations has everything to

1239
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 3: do with it.

1240
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams R. G Three said that he believed Caleb

1241
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: william should pull a d li like Manning.

1242
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: He don't got the juice.

1243
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 3: You know, when you think about you ain't even got

1244
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 3: to say the first name when you mentioned the word

1245
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 3: or utter the word Manning, that come with a little trembling,

1246
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: Like when you think about Sanders, Yo, they don't even

1247
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 3: know half the people don't even know his last name.

1248
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 3: They say Prime Dion, that come with a little rattling

1249
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 3: of the Williams.

1250
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 2: No, and that's ship. You say, Newton, That ain't got

1251
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 2: no you know juice either.

1252
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Ship, We already seen what

1253
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 3: that tried to get you across from.

1254
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody to train to count you did ot as.

1255
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,959
Speaker 2: But that's just the facts.

1256
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 3: Right, So I think now, when you're looking at these

1257
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 3: situations and who got the ability to say what they

1258
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 3: not gonna do? It comes with a pre existing resume

1259
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 3: because obviously I got sons. When my son get to

1260
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 3: that point, hopefully if he ever is in a draft,

1261
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 3: my daughters is ever in a.

1262
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: Draft, Oh, you best believe. Nah, we straight, We're good.

1263
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 2: What y'all want? No, I'm representing them. You know what

1264
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1265
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna put my son and my daughter

1266
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 3: in the best situation to succeed, and that's not a

1267
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 3: succeedingst situation, right, you.

1268
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 2: Want to do?

1269
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: You believe the Bears made the right decision moving on

1270
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: from Justin Fields because I said this camp, I said,

1271
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: I do not believe the Bears are going to pass

1272
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: up two number one overall quarterbacks in back to back years.

1273
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,480
Speaker 1: I said, no way, They'll do it, No way.

1274
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 3: I I would have loved to see what Justin Fields

1275
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 3: could do with.

1276
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: Addie Keenan keenan Ally got DJ still there, DJ Comet

1277
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: still there.

1278
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying, Like, what would he would

1279
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 3: have done with that? You know what I'm saying. But

1280
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess we'll never know.

1281
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 2: Are you surprised that they made this move?

1282
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not because I don't know what was

1283
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 3: happening inside that locker room or inside that organization. And

1284
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 3: we've talked, you know, a couple of times, and I

1285
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 3: think with Justin, he's one of those He's not He's

1286
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 3: not a.

1287
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: Vocal vocal like you Cam. Yeah, he not. He not.

1288
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 2: Nobody else will camp yeah, which is true.

1289
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 3: But I'm saying like, I don't think he could express

1290
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 3: himself or nor did I think he knew how to

1291
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 3: express himself in a way that it wouldn't come off

1292
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 3: in a conflicting way. But in that position, you gotta have,

1293
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 3: you gotta have some ship to you. I'll give you

1294
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 3: another person who may not be vocal, but he got

1295
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 3: some ship to.

1296
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 2: Him, Aaron Rodgers. You wanna see everybody bring it up

1297
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: on me?

1298
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 3: Just one of the like when they do that ship

1299
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 3: that's a swaggy motherfucker boy, bad cold cold, but he

1300
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 3: just does it in this subtle way.

1301
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1302
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 3: So all these different players is you know, you gotta

1303
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 3: have some some stuff to you.

1304
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: Let's talk about his uh, his fashion.

1305
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 1: He's received a lot of criticism, painting his nails doing

1306
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: certain things. You were a guy that caught a lot

1307
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: of criticism from the way you dread man count them

1308
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: tight clothes off?

1309
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 2: He thinks how they that they look good? They'll look good.

1310
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 2: He got them handy to do.

1311
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: How the hate that he received and you received, how

1312
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: would you? How would you tell him to handle that situation?

1313
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: And how did you handle it?

1314
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: Just be you.

1315
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 3: We don't need no more Cam Newton's. We don't need

1316
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 3: no more Patriot Peyton Mannings or Patrick.

1317
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 2: Mahomes or Tom Brough. We need.

1318
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 3: Unique players being themselves. And I got news for you.

1319
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 3: Gen Z is here, and gen Z is here to

1320
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 3: stay right. So whatever you may think that, oh that

1321
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 3: ain't football. And the dude got pink nails, But I

1322
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 3: guarantee if he painted his nails pink, hell even diees

1323
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 3: hell pink.

1324
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 2: If they win the football games, ain't nobody gonna worry

1325
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 2: about that. Thank you.

1326
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 3: Let's keep the main thing the main thing. Don't you're

1327
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 3: worried about fashion? Like bro, I have a life outside

1328
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 3: of football. These are things that I like. I love art,

1329
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 3: I love you know, fashion, I love my family. I

1330
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 3: love doing things that will take my mind off.

1331
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: Of the daily rigors of the pressures of performing. And

1332
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 2: you can't judge me. Hell, I don't go to your cubicle.

1333
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 3: I don't go to your job saying what you can

1334
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 3: and can't do. Why are you drinking the Caramean Michaiyata.

1335
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 3: Ain't you count your calories?

1336
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 2: Well? You know, it just is what it is.

1337
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 3: I think you know what Caleb Williams represents is something

1338
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 3: that is unique.

1339
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: To who he is. And we can't be.

1340
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 3: Hypocrites to allowing why we like that camp I ain't

1341
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 3: like that.

1342
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 2: No, but people.

1343
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 3: I remember I was having this conversation with a coach, Shuler,

1344
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 3: Mike Shuler, one of my favorite coaches of all time

1345
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 3: that have coached me because he knew.

1346
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 2: How to speak camp right.

1347
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 3: We had a head budding one time with the things

1348
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 3: that he was trying to make me understand the level

1349
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 3: of expectations for what being a franchise quarterback was.

1350
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 2: And he said something said, would you see Peyton Manning

1351
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 2: doing this? Would you see Tom Brady doing this? And

1352
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: I had to stop him. I said, hey, listen, I'm

1353
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 2: not trying to be no Tom Brady.

1354
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be Peyton Manning because guess what,

1355
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 3: I can do some shit that they can't do, and

1356
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 3: they can do some shit that I can't do. But

1357
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 3: it's a thousand ways of skinner cat and we all

1358
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 3: trying to win football games. So I hear what you're

1359
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 3: trying to say, but you have to also understand that

1360
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 3: that ain't me. I'm not trying to be there. You

1361
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I could go into Peyton Manning's

1362
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 3: neighborhood where he's from.

1363
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 2: Payton can't come to where I'm from. You see what

1364
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying. He ain't gonna do no camps at you know,

1365
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 2: college Park parp. No. I could go, you know, to Louisiana.

1366
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 2: You do know what I'm saying. I go to California

1367
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 2: and dude, whatever, and I'm not.

1368
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 3: The moral of the story is you should not have

1369
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,799
Speaker 3: to try to mimic what somebody else did to appease

1370
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 3: the somebody else be you.

1371
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 2: That's not why they're winning games.

1372
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: You think they're being in band because they stand up

1373
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: there and they're all butting up and they speak eloquently

1374
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: after the game. They're winning game because they're winning game

1375
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: because of what they do during the course of the week.

1376
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: And if I'm doing that during the course of the week,

1377
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 2: why you.

1378
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: Care if I got on Versada blist, whatever I got

1379
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: on matter it could be I come up to the bath,

1380
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,440
Speaker 1: I come up there with a tower.

1381
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 2: Sheet on nick. Listen here, man, I win the football games?

1382
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: Man, right, did you ever get tired of hearing people say, man, camp,

1383
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:31,759
Speaker 1: stop dressing?

1384
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: Man?

1385
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: You dressing like an auntie? You dressing all them women

1386
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: clothes them tight clothes. Did you ever get tired? Do

1387
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: you get tired of hearing that? Because you're still here

1388
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 1: to this.

1389
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: Day, bring your girl around me, and man, we'll figure

1390
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: out that. We'll figure out whether about you a man.

1391
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 3: Listen, you don't don't think I got the Jewish she

1392
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 3: get to smelling these dress and smelling that area, and

1393
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 3: you know, smelling that ghost.

1394
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: Get to seeing like, oh, man, like what you did

1395
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 2: with that? You can tire your bow tis got a

1396
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 2: clip on a baby? I really tie bow tie?

1397
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 3: Like, oh, pocket squad, How did you do that with

1398
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 3: a jean jacket? What you're doing with that? How you

1399
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 3: got a dog on wallet chain, a pocket watch? Like

1400
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 3: all these different details. It's like, Man, I really study fashion.

1401
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: I grew up in the church so even though the

1402
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 3: Bibles say come as you are, had it, Little Newton

1403
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 3: wasn't letting me come in there with no Jordan shorts.

1404
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 3: And I had to press my gene you coming as

1405
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 3: you are. Come on, that's how you are. And I'm

1406
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 3: stepping right. And you can't name anything that I got

1407
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 3: on because a lot of it is from a thrift.

1408
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 3: Stough I thrift. These are things that I genuinely enjoy

1409
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 3: to do outside of I love textures, I love textiles,

1410
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 3: I love art bosque Isja Michelle. I love these people,

1411
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 3: jay Z, I love for Real, I love Kanye, I

1412
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 3: love the artistry of music. Paintings like these are our

1413
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 3: self expression in many different facets, and I tried to

1414
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 3: bring that to the game of football by saying, oh,

1415
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 3: this was the type of time I'm on a day,

1416
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 3: I'm feeling spody. Let me go on a step and

1417
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 3: let everybody know how I'm coming to day. I want

1418
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 3: to feel like James Bond today. I'm gonna put on

1419
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 3: a tuxedo. Oh I want to, you know, get my

1420
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 3: urban on. I want to, you know, dress it with

1421
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 3: a shirt or whatever I want to do, I can

1422
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 3: do it. And that should not have any type of

1423
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 3: issue with how I play, because it really doesn't.

1424
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: What does Cam's fashions say about him? So what we

1425
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 1: what we have on today? What is Cam trying to

1426
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: relate to day? What you saying today? What you own today?

1427
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm a big stepper, you know what I'm saying.

1428
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 3: Like I've been quoted in the media recently saying, you know,

1429
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 3: just because you got a lot of money, don't mean

1430
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 3: that you got style.

1431
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: Okay, you feel what I'm saying.

1432
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 3: And I remember you got a problem with everybody stripping

1433
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 3: the mannequin. Yeah, man, you got the Vasachi glasses, with

1434
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 3: the Versacha shirt, with the Vasacia belt and the Vasachi

1435
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 3: purse and the Vasacha Like cool, that's fine.

1436
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 2: I don't knock that.

1437
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 3: But when I see fashion for what it's right, I said, damn,

1438
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 3: Like I like how you put that on, or I

1439
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 3: like the ribbon that you you know, tied around your

1440
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 3: neck like I I'm the Canelo, the Ralph Lawrence, the kisss,

1441
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 3: the you know Canelo, Bruceanelli, uh, Brunella Cuchenelli.

1442
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 2: Yes, you see what I'm saying.

1443
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, these are all fashion

1444
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 3: inspired things that I like, and you don't have to

1445
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 3: have that uh per.

1446
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 2: Diem to look good.

1447
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying, Like you can go wherever

1448
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 3: you want to go and to mimic that a little,

1449
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 3: but doing it with.

1450
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: Your with your own flip you.

1451
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: So you get up every morning, Cam and put this

1452
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 1: on and my line help cam every day, seven days

1453
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: a week, you get up and dress Now one time

1454
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: do you want to put on some ap leisure?

1455
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 2: Now?

1456
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: One time? You say, Man, you know what, I ain't

1457
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: feeling like getting all spoiled the day.

1458
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 2: So you know what I do? You one better?

1459
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 3: You ask any one of my teammates, any one of

1460
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 3: my teammates, how the cam dress?

1461
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 2: It was every day?

1462
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 3: It was a lifestyle, bro, every single day. Man, I

1463
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 3: got so many clothes that I Man, I'm not about

1464
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 3: to waste my money. And I don't find myself spending

1465
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 3: four thousand dollars on a jacket or a pair of

1466
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 3: shoes that I only wear once and I done spend

1467
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 3: fourteen dollars on a pair of jeans that I wear

1468
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 3: every day, and then it's gonna look completely different.

1469
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 2: So people who.

1470
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 3: Really know me know, bro, every day Cam gonna dress up.

1471
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a different side different style. You know,

1472
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,560
Speaker 3: I don't consider myself with the Neapolitan, you know, with

1473
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 3: the strawberry banw ord, the chocolate.

1474
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 2: I'm basket robbers. I got so much flake, you got thirty,

1475
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 2: you got thirty one and more.

1476
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,959
Speaker 3: I'm a step. I'm a big step and never pledge.

1477
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 3: I pledged me five me. But bro, I'm trying to

1478
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 3: tell you, if an opportunity present, like those are the

1479
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 3: things that I genuinely care about.

1480
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 2: Like I love dressing up my kids.

1481
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 3: I love, you know, doing that because that was a

1482
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 3: passion that I didn't come from money, so we had

1483
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 3: to make do with what we had.

1484
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 2: You know, we wasn't poor, but it you know, I

1485
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: remember watching MTV Cribs and I was saying it.

1486
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 3: I said, eat man, look at that closet. Yeah, dang,

1487
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 3: if I ever had that, I was gonna do this.

1488
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:46,879
Speaker 3: And then I invested in so many different pieces of clothing,

1489
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 3: and that energy wasn't reciprocated. You know what I'm saying, Like, man,

1490
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 3: I done spend ten thousand dollars a y'all and you

1491
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 3: ain't gonna don't worry about it. Or I go and

1492
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 3: support a black business and shoot that reciprocation is still there.

1493
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 3: He said what I'm saying so I love putting people

1494
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 3: on and said, bro, what you got on? Oh man,

1495
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 3: this ain't thirst store. Bro, that's you know you had that.

1496
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: MTV cribs had me food too, because a lot of

1497
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: time they rented them crib for today.

1498
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 2: Know they did what See that's the way. That's why

1499
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 2: we're here with that ring, that ship. You know what's

1500
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 2: the real You feel me? So let me ask you this.

1501
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 1: It was reported and you can you can confirm or

1502
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: you can deny this. That Jared Richardson when you sat

1503
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 1: down him, he was owner of the Carolina Panthers when

1504
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: you was gonna be selected, no On, no ball, and

1505
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: he asked you, he said, you have any tattoos?

1506
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 2: You said no, you have any piercings? You said no.

1507
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 2: He said, keep it that way. Was that true? Yes,

1508
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 2: but it wasn't it. It wasn't what it was. See,

1509
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 2: that was what he said, but he also said other

1510
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 2: things after that.

1511
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 3: He said, we want to keep it that way because

1512
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 3: we don't want you to go out and do anything

1513
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 3: that's not a good representation of this franchise.

1514
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you the keys to this Ferrari. Now,

1515
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 2: I don't want you to scratch it up.

1516
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 3: Me and mister Richardson's relationship was something that I had

1517
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 3: one regret in my life. I never had a relationship

1518
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 3: with my grandfathers because by the time I came of age,

1519
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 3: they were deceased and the man who I am now,

1520
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 3: I go to my father to have these uncomfortable, uncomfortable conversations,

1521
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 3: and with mister Richardson what people didn't know. Man, we

1522
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 3: would had some real conversations and seventy percent of them

1523
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 3: wasn't had anything to do with football.

1524
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 2: He had a very.

1525
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Speaker 3: Good perspective of who I was and what I was becoming.

1526
01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 3: That's what I always say, can save your money because

1527
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 3: I would tell him. I was like, yo, I want

1528
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 3: to become the second football player to own a franchise.

1529
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 3: It says, Kim, you got to say your money, I said,

1530
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 3: mister Richard, how do you say your money? He said, Well,

1531
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 3: I had to make a business decision. I left the NFL.

1532
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Speaker 3: I played with Johnny United is one of the greatest courter.

1533
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: He still blied or bled at the.

1534
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Speaker 3: Time that Johnny Units was the best quarterback to ever play,

1535
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 3: and rightfully so. But I had to make a business

1536
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Speaker 3: decision because the Baltimore coach wasn't going to pay me

1537
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Speaker 3: enough for me to provide for my family, so I

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Speaker 3: had to go into the workforce. He started, you know,

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Speaker 3: in that way to believe it was Hardy's right. Then

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Speaker 3: is something as a businessman where I am now me

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Speaker 3: having different businesses and trying to have it be producing.

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Speaker 2: Assets not liabilities.

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Speaker 3: Just because Fellowship is of existence doesn't mean that Fellowship

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Speaker 2: No backing, no help, no nothing. And it comes with

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Speaker 2: The key thing that he taught me was.

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Speaker 3: He had these core values or these core words for

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Speaker 3: the franchise that I buy by, and one of those

1554
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Speaker 2: What the hell harmony got to do with it? He said, Cam,

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Speaker 2: you have to understand, harmony is the key ingredient for

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Speaker 3: I can't want something from you that you don't want

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Speaker 3: These things are something that I still hold deer to

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Speaker 1: You go to the Carolina Panthers number one Overall your

1595
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 1: debut game you throw for four to twenty two.

1596
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 2: I think the next game you throw for four to

1597
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 2: twenty three.

1598
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 1: First rookie to have back to back four hundred yard

1599
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: passing days, fastest player to throw four thousand yards still

1600
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: a record set a single seeds or rushing record for

1601
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: quarterback rushing touchdowns. First quarterback, I thank you, the first

1602
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 1: quarterback to throw for four thousand rookie to throw for

1603
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: four thousand yards.

1604
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: Also, oh yeah, first player at.

1605
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,759
Speaker 1: NFA history have at least five rushing, five rushing touchdowns

1606
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 1: and five passing touchdowns in the first five games. Name

1607
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: rookie of the year. And you were number two in college.

1608
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 1: Somehow you end up with number one. You the first

1609
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 1: pick in the draft that they held number one. When

1610
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: you came back there and got that jersey, you had

1611
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: number one?

1612
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 2: What happened to the number one jersey? I really didn't

1613
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,759
Speaker 2: want to be number I mean number Yeah. What happened

1614
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 2: to the number one jersey? Why you didn't get that?

1615
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: Jimmy claus You, Hey, you got a big, big bay,

1616
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: take a little bait, hostile takeover. He tried to tried

1617
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,879
Speaker 1: to hustle, you, tried to finesse you did he tried.

1618
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 3: To jug a jugger from Atlanto. Bro I'm a friend,

1619
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 3: I'm a finessa. And when I felt like he was finessing.

1620
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 3: See that goes back to the thing that makes me great,

1621
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 3: my mentality. When Jimmy Closson charged me a million dollars

1622
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 3: for my number. I said that would be the last

1623
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 3: Why don't you just go to the equipment manager. No,

1624
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 3: it's it's proper protocol. Even equipment manager said, Hey, the

1625
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 3: person who has number two, you gotta work out a

1626
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 3: deal with him. So I went direct to the source.

1627
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 3: That's how my dad raised me. I ain't have no

1628
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 3: problem with uncomfortable conversations. Hell, it was comfortable for me.

1629
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 3: And when I felt that he was trying to play me,

1630
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,759
Speaker 3: that took over to say we would never hear Jimmy

1631
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 3: Clauson again in Carolina.

1632
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: Well, you made sure he had got That was a

1633
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 2: chip on my shoulder. And that's that's how. That's what

1634
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 2: made me who I was.

1635
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: How much would you have been willing to partake to

1636
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: get that number? I would have donated one hundred thousand

1637
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 1: to his foundation or whatever to him.

1638
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 2: I don't care.

1639
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 3: When he hit me with a million, I thought he

1640
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 3: was joking, and I said, I've been public with saying

1641
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:47,799
Speaker 3: that I was like a million.

1642
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 2: I was waiting on the light. Nah, man I jip playing.

1643
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 2: I said, all right, cool. We hung up the phone.

1644
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 3: He called me back like an hour later and was like, man,

1645
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 3: I was just talking to some representative of mine and

1646
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 3: we'll do seven hundred.

1647
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 2: And fifty thousand.

1648
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 3: I said, oh you for real, I said, bro, motherfuckers

1649
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 3: don't even make a million dollars in a lifetime.

1650
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 2: I'm from you think I'm about to give you a

1651
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 2: million dollars for a fucking number.

1652
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 1: But I say, let's I mean a meal. I mean

1653
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 1: I bought a bass boat. I thought that was pretty

1654
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,560
Speaker 1: I got a pretty good deal. I traded with a

1655
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,560
Speaker 1: Frank wayIn right, freaky Frank. I asked him, say you

1656
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: got into hobbies because I wanted eighty four. Jermaine Lewis

1657
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: had eighty four. I offered him he and his wife Rolexis.

1658
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 1: He said, nah, I kind of want to keep the okay.

1659
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 2: Fine.

1660
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: Went to Frank Wayne right because he was with me

1661
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 1: the year before in Denver, and I was like, man,

1662
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 1: he's like, nah, shopper, you can take it.

1663
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 2: I said, nah, bro, I don't want to just take the.

1664
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,759
Speaker 1: Number I get. He's like, I said, what's your hobby?

1665
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 1: He said, man, I fish bought him a bass boat.

1666
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: I got Eddy two.

1667
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 2: He got a bass boat. Hopefully he still got it.

1668
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 2: But I don't.

1669
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: And I get what you're saying, you know it's your number.

1670
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: You had it want to just big big up you

1671
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 1: and just take the number. How we make it work.

1672
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: But bro, you ain't fit. You ain't fit to hustle me.

1673
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 3: Now it went my energy change. I was trying to

1674
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 3: be a good teammate. Yeah, and that's all I needed.

1675
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 3: You know, as a competitor, you don't need too much

1676
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 3: get going.

1677
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 2: It's one of them. You can say something wrong to

1678
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 2: me and I been, is that really how you feel?

1679
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 3: Because when I look out of out of you, and

1680
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 3: I might, I'm gonna have my discerning things.

1681
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 2: Like oh he for real? Yeah, I said, don't worry

1682
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 2: about it.

1683
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 3: And at that particular point in time, it went from

1684
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 3: becoming the best player to ever play for Carolina, then

1685
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 3: it was out, you will never hear Jimmy Causon's name

1686
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 3: as long as I'm here.

1687
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 2: And that was my first duty to to kind of conquer.

1688
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah you wanted, you wanted to raise Jimmy Clauson from

1689
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 1: the Alexicon anybody?

1690
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 5: Bro?

1691
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 3: Yes, because I felt played and you're not gonna You're

1692
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 3: not gonna finest me what you think this is.

1693
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 2: And that's all I needed. He turned me as the

1694
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 2: kids say, they teed me up. You dig know what

1695
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And that's just what it was.

1696
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 3: And I can see how he felt. It was like, Yo,

1697
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 3: they took me with the pick, the first pick. They

1698
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 3: didn't have no first round picks. The year before, he

1699
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 3: was the first pick of the draft in the second round,

1700
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,839
Speaker 3: supposedly to be Theranchise quarterback.

1701
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 2: It didn't go so well.

1702
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you is if the Carolina Panthers have

1703
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 3: the first pick, chances.

1704
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 2: Are they didn't have a good season.

1705
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 3: So he was in that ram of trying to be

1706
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 3: insubordinate or trying to make it hard or whatever.

1707
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 2: And that's fine, that's cool. Don't try to do that

1708
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 2: with me.

1709
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 3: And the crazy thing about that the following year after

1710
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 3: I chose number one, he went to number seven. So

1711
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 3: now number two is available, why do you go to

1712
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 3: number seven? That was his college number, his high school number.

1713
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, but really tried for this. You can't.

1714
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna get you all mad, youig, you know what

1715
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1716
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,679
Speaker 3: See, that's where it was like, these are the things

1717
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 3: behind the scenes that people don't really know what gets

1718
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 3: you going, You see what I'm saying. So I was

1719
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 3: like man, bro, who the fuck do you think you it? Oh,

1720
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 3: you're gonna fuck around to find out? You think you're

1721
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 3: gonna find out?

1722
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 2: Today?

1723
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: When you got there, you had a guy that was

1724
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 1: a starter his own right, Steve Smith Senior. One of

1725
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: the best receiver, He was a triple crime winner, one

1726
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 1: of the best receivers.

1727
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 2: For his size.

1728
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: Pound for pound, I don't believe there's a better receiver

1729
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: to ever play the game than Smitty. Yes, sir, what

1730
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: did you take from Smitty? What was his Because I

1731
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 1: know him off the field, so what was What was

1732
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 1: he like as a teammate?

1733
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 3: Great teammate, but just like Luke Keickley, when Smitty was

1734
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 3: on the field, get the fuck out of his way.

1735
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 2: He was a pit bull. And that's what I took

1736
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 2: from him.

1737
01:32:56,479 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 3: Now you have to understand who Smitty was and if

1738
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 3: I could go back and change things. Smitty wanted to

1739
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 3: win yesterday and he knew as a business what taking

1740
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 3: a young quarterback that means we are rebuilding. He didn't

1741
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 3: want to rebuild. He wanted to win and I can't

1742
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 3: take that away from Smitty. And we bumped heads, you know,

1743
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 3: because he felt the transitioning of the team to kind

1744
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 3: of go to the quarterback and I can't foot them

1745
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 3: for that. If I had to change things, I would

1746
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 3: wish to have had Smitty my fifth year because now

1747
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 3: we can talk. We can have grown man conversations, and

1748
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people understand what that's like.

1749
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 3: Going into an NFL locker room at the age of

1750
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 3: twenty one twenty two, we got all these veterans bro

1751
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 3: I had, and you got to lead them. I had

1752
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:56,839
Speaker 3: John Beeson, I had Thomas Davis, I had Jordan Gross,

1753
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 3: Ryan Khalil, these older guys was like leaning in for

1754
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 3: a rookie at the age I didn't know how I

1755
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 3: went from a locker room where all my players that

1756
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 3: shared the field with.

1757
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 2: Me were my peers.

1758
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 3: We're talking about, man, what we gonna play at At

1759
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 3: that time, they had NC DOUBLEA, Like what you know,

1760
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:18,839
Speaker 3: we're gonna go play mad and we're gonna.

1761
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 2: Go get twenty five cent wings at the spot. We're

1762
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 2: gonna go bowling man. When you going to the NFL

1763
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 2: locker room, Hey, we're gonna try to go bowling man.

1764
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 2: It's date night for me and my wife. Now I

1765
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 2: gotta go pick up my kids from the Daycass Friday,

1766
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 2: I ain't got time to these are family men. These ain't.

1767
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 3: No you're talking to a guy that's thirty eight approaching forty,

1768
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 3: thirty five, thirty two. What the hell they got in

1769
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 3: common with a twenty one year old gen Z ain't

1770
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:45,719
Speaker 3: mixing with no millennium.

1771
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 2: You're digging.

1772
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like all these baby boomers in that locker room,

1773
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 3: they ain't trying to.

1774
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 5: You, feel me.

1775
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 2: So that's that's what the disconnect was.

1776
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 3: And I learned so much from Smithy because even though

1777
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 3: he was aggressive on the field, great teammate still to.

1778
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 2: This well, during the time, he never wanted to have

1779
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 2: his own room on the on the road.

1780
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 3: He would always room with a younger players so they

1781
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 3: he could teach them the preparation what it was like. Wow,

1782
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 3: And I always respected that about it. Gave the best

1783
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 3: gifts heart of gold. But on that field, brouh a shark.

1784
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,560
Speaker 3: If he if he sensed any blood, oh boy, he

1785
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 3: coming in practice, walk bruise or anything. Man. Smitty coming

1786
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 3: after you, bro five now with the soul of a

1787
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 3: six phonic, like y'all said, But it was Smitty.

1788
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 2: That he was describing. Sh Yes, sir.

1789
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation Part two

1790
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

1791
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,560
Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listened to part one on. Just

1792
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 1: simply go back to club profile and I'll see you

1793
01:35:57,640 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: there