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Speaker 1: Ron Ananian, You ever look at what's on the middle

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Speaker 1: of an Oreo cookie. It's a flying saucer with an antenna.

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Speaker 1: You ever think about that? And I said, why would

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Speaker 1: this Subaru drive past the cookie factor and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden have outside radio frequency interference. I know it

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Speaker 1: sounds weird. I swear the story really happened this week,

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Speaker 1: and I was as sober as a preacher. That car

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Speaker 1: doctor and EVAP monitor by O b D two principle

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Speaker 1: will not run when there's more than three quarters of

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Speaker 1: if you want to keep the light out and not

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Speaker 1: fix the car, just keep going the car up every

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Speaker 1: time it hits three quarters of a tank. You're good.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of Ron and Anian the

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Speaker 1: Car Doctor, since this is where car owners the world

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Speaker 1: overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If

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Speaker 1: your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the

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Speaker 1: phone and call in the garage to orders are open.

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Speaker 1: But I am here to acre call at eight five

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Speaker 1: and now running in the sixties, and I used that

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Speaker 1: time period because this is somebody responded to what I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you you'll understand it a minute, Give me

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Speaker 1: a minute. In the sixties, I don't know, mid sixties,

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Speaker 1: six sixty five, the average GM starter circuit was pretty

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Speaker 1: straightforward and simple. It was an ignition switch, it was

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Speaker 1: a battery, it was a starter, and some cables and it,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was great. And it was always a

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Speaker 1: purple wire coming out of the ignition switch that ran

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Speaker 1: down to the starter solenoid and engaged the starter when

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Speaker 1: And it was probably like that. God, you know, in

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Speaker 1: and maybe it was. I don't know, I never really

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Speaker 1: more complicated. In a Chevrolet Traverse has well more than

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Speaker 1: just a few components. It's got an ignition switch, it's

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Speaker 1: It's got that same purple wire from the solid going

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Speaker 1: down to the solinoid. But it doesn't come directly from

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Speaker 1: the ignition switch. It can't. There's too much electronics in

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Speaker 1: the way. There's we're gonna get the engine control module involved.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get the body control module involved. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get the immobilizer rant I have to module involved. We're

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Speaker 1: It's just not a simple task. And I shot this

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Speaker 1: as a video too. I'm gonna get it up this

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Speaker 1: week and I'll get it either we'll put it up

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Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel or we'll put it directly on

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Speaker 1: our website Car Doctor Show dot com and you can

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Speaker 1: pick it up there. And by the way, you're going

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Speaker 1: to Car Doctor show dot com for the live stream

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Speaker 1: of the show now right, that's where we We've got

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Speaker 1: the link right up there the website. And you know,

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Speaker 1: to diagnose this, well, let's see, it took a scam tool. Um.

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Speaker 1: I had to have some conversations with the folks over

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Speaker 1: Bill makes me laugh every time I call up. We

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Speaker 1: we just have so much fun together. I really enjoy Bill,

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Speaker 1: and uh, he's telling me He's an old school GM guy,

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Speaker 1: and he's telling me how much gms have changed a loan,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just and I'm sure all the guys would

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Speaker 1: tell you that, the older guys. But Bill tell me

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Speaker 1: fault codes. Do we have any fault codes? Yes? No? No, okay, good,

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Speaker 1: the modules talking to one another? Is everybody you know speaking?

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Speaker 1: You know, this is a vehicle. This this is a

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Speaker 1: S Opus ivs dot com. I believe is the website

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Speaker 1: if you're thinking about buying what I consider to be

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Speaker 1: imagine going through putting a starter in this fourteen Chevy

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Speaker 1: Traverse his V six Wonder and you find out it's

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Speaker 1: We're gonna find out Monday already, Now how hard it's

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Speaker 1: And uh, I can't even get to the wiring at

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Speaker 1: I'm always asking them, well, did you test this? No?

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Speaker 1: By the way, um, the diagnostics will have changed because

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Speaker 1: So yeah, don't say to me please. And this is

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Speaker 1: what started all this because I was explaining this to

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Speaker 1: somebody this week and they said, well, you know, I

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Speaker 1: and I said, really, you're gonna start telling me how

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Speaker 1: not that simple in Chevy Traverse. Have you noticed the

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Speaker 1: the rant part. By the way, have you noticed the

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Speaker 1: way we've added module upon module and the way we've

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Speaker 1: way we've included all the little toys that all these

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Speaker 1: And that's why I want to repair so expensive. And

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Speaker 1: I think Bill's coming Bill once? Bill twice? Bill, you're there, Yes,

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Speaker 1: If anybody can help, Bill, send me an email Ron

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Speaker 1: your two thousand suburban getting along these days? Well? Doing

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Speaker 1: at the best good conditions, not great conditions. I think,

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00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: so all that affects my mind where I want to

428
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: get it from and from ho um. There are a

429
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: few trans shops that I've seen. There's a fellow down

430
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: in Texas his name escapes Me that I watch on YouTube,

431
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: and it's fascinating to watch these guys bang the trans

432
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: as apart and put them together. And I think if

433
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: I ever moved to Texas, and I think I might

434
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: move to Texas just to have them do with trans

435
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: um or at least to meet the guy. Um, it's

436
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: just fun to watch. But those guys are getting you know,

437
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: they're getting older. As you know, you said your trans

438
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: guy retired. Uh, you know, the the older guys are

439
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: going away, and the younger guys coming up aren't being

440
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: taught to rebuild trans is in the field. They're taught

441
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: to exchange them because things are reverting to you know,

442
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: factory level. Rebuild it in the factory on an assembly line.

443
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: So I think if I had my option, I would

444
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 1: probably prefer And again, you know, you got to talk

445
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: to your local trans guide. Do you like your local

446
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: trans guy? Is he is he going to be there

447
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: in five years if you need him if this trans

448
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: has a problem that kind of thing, or is it

449
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: going to be at the dealer. Do you travel with

450
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: the car? Do you you know, do you ever come

451
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: to New Jersey? Do you ever go west to California?

452
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: Do you want to warranty that follows you around the

453
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: country on the three thousand mile vehicle? Um? You know,

454
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: if you have a problem with the transmission, that you

455
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: can go into any General motors dealer and have that

456
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: transmission repaired under warranty if that's the case. So you know,

457
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: those are my thoughts. I think when it comes to

458
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: a transmission, a transmission to me is as much open

459
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: heart surgery on a vehicle as the engine is. And

460
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: I spare no expense. I'd rather pay top dollar. I'd

461
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: rather know what I'm getting because I don't want to

462
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: do it twice. You know, I didn't want to do

463
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: it the first time. Um, although I although I will

464
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: say when I did it on my suburb and it

465
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: took us three weeks because I kind of condemned debate

466
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: to I pulled the trans out and while the trans

467
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: was out, I painted the floorpan, replaced all the fuel lines,

468
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: brake lines, trans cooler lines, radiator water pump, um condenser,

469
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: heater hoses, uh, spark plugs, wires. I mean it was

470
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: basically it set on the lift for three weeks and

471
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: we just changed everything we can get our hands on,

472
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: knowing everything was fourteen years old, original and I would

473
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: have complete access to it at that point. So there

474
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said for that on an

475
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: older vehicle. Yeah, Um, difference between fluids, I would use

476
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: Deck six. I I've seen nothing bad about Deck six,

477
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: and my understanding is it's a synthetic based fluid versus

478
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: a conventional Uh you know, I think the reason you're

479
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: seeing that bulletin that talks about convert from decks three

480
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: to Deck six is because Deck six isn't manufacturing in

481
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: the volume that it once was. I think you're also

482
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: going to see that if you buy a trans from

483
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: General Motors, that trans is gonna recommend Deck six. And

484
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: that's what I would go with. I like using manufacturers fluids.

485
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: Um as far as additives, I'm not an additive guy

486
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: in a transmission. I think if I'm changing the fluid

487
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: every thirty thousand miles, I think that's the way I

488
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: want to be. And I still like to change the

489
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: majority of my fluids in that thirty to fifty thousand

490
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: mile range, depending upon the vehicle and the manufacturer. Uh

491
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't buy that when a manufacturer says

492
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: it's lifetime fluid. Toyota, for example, tells you their WS

493
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: class of fluid never needs to be serviced. But I've

494
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: had more than a few occasions where that that that

495
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: never needs to be service fluid at sixty thou miles

496
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: looks blacker than coal, and by eighty thousand miles. It's

497
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: lost its characteristics for operation, and changing the fluid restores

498
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: the vehicle back to what it's supposed to be in

499
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: terms of trans operation, smoothness, acceleration, no slip, correct shift

500
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: and so forth. Um, you know, would I change your

501
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: daughter's two thousand four transmission before it's time? Yeah, if

502
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: you're planning to keep the vehicle, I think preemptive. You know,

503
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: services is a smart idea, especially when it comes to

504
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: parts availability. You know, we've got an O nine Mustang

505
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: at the shop right now. Uh, Jeff is he came

506
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: in for an oil change. Is and basic service. And

507
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: Jeff always says, you're on do what you gotta do.

508
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: Look it over? And I looked it over. I went

509
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: through history this O nine Mustang with fifty four thousand

510
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: miles on it is? Is how old is that? It's?

511
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: It's O nine nine. It's coming up on fourteen years old. Um,

512
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: it's still got the original water pump radiator. He's getting

513
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: a little bit of a cool and smell out of

514
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: the radiator. I said, Jeff, let's go through the cooling system.

515
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: So you know how old is old? Do you know

516
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: you can't buy a radiator from Ford anymore for an

517
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: O nine Mustang doesn't exist. Uh, you know, so you're

518
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: gonna have to source the best you can in the

519
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: after market, and there's good choices out there. And my

520
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: point becomes, the older vehicles, if we want to keep

521
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: them running and we want to use the best quality parts,

522
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: either stockpile parts now or start repairing things now, so

523
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: you get another five to eight to ten years out

524
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: of it, and we'll figure out what we're gonna drive

525
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: in the year and kind of take it from there.

526
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: Makes sense. One one, very very helpful on one quick thing.

527
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: What turned us off with the GM replacement transmissions was

528
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: in order to get the warranty. Apparently I may be mistaken,

529
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: but you have to have the transmission installed by the

530
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: dealers or some kind of very limited authorized shop, and

531
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: that concerned us. And we've got a quote for five grand,

532
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: which seems, you know, just I'm not saying it's unreasonable,

533
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: but that seems high, particularly from my daughter's car. I'll

534
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: tell you what, Larry, let me pull over, take a pause.

535
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: When I come back, we'll address that I'm run any

536
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: in the car. Doctor. We'll be back right after this.

537
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: Welcome back, righted the car Doctor five zero, Larry in Florida.

538
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: You're still there, sir, Oh yes, I want to monopolize. Okay, listen,

539
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: let's let's get it done. Let's get her done. Um okay,

540
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: so write this down. First of all, go to GM

541
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: Parts Online. All right, It's a website I'll do some

542
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: research with, and it's it's likely the GM dealers somewhere.

543
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: I've never really ordered anything from them, but I've done it.

544
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: I've used it to look up parts or just to

545
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: see what's available, or just to get ideas on various

546
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: topics and conversations. And I'll use it during the course

547
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: of the day at the shop GM Parts Online. You

548
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: will likely see that you can not only you can

549
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: buy a transmission from GM Parts Online still maintain the

550
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: three year, hundred thousand mile warranty. And as a matter

551
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: of fact, I was looking a couple of weeks ago,

552
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: you can actually add a two year extended warranty purchased

553
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: through GM Parts Online and and have a five year

554
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: warranty with extra mileage. So if they can offer that

555
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: to you as and use the same trans the dealer

556
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: is going to sell you. I don't understand how is

557
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: the dealer telling you it has to be installed at

558
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: a dealership or did General Motors tell you that the

559
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: dealer I think, and also at General Motors website, but

560
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: I did not check PM Parts online dot com. That's okay,

561
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: do that and then write this phone number down called

562
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: called Chevrolet Customer Service one eight hundred two two two

563
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: one oh two oh dred to two two one oh

564
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: two oh and ask them because that's the warranty number

565
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: for GM Customer Services. You purchase the GM trans and

566
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: the trans fails. I believe that's what it used to be.

567
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: We we because we we still are actually um uh yeah.

568
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: And I think it's just because we're an independent center.

569
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: I didn't sign anything special. It's not like it's not

570
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: like I paid for it or you know, I signed

571
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: a contract. I'm told that I purchased a GM Trans,

572
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: I install it. I'm allowed to do the warranty work

573
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: on it and get paid for it. Uh, you know,

574
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: unless the programs change in the last couple of years.

575
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: And I haven't had the experience yet, but I think

576
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: it's worth investigating beyond what you're reading on the website

577
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: or what the dealers telling you. Uh, you know, General

578
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: Motors wants their customers happy, bottom line and within reason.

579
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: Up to certain points, my experience has been, yeah, they'll

580
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: they'll extend, you know, the ability for shops to purchase uh,

581
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, transmissions and engines. And I believe also by

582
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: the way you purchase a GM engine, it's three year,

583
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: hundred thousand mile warranty. So you know, this is this

584
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: is very very helpful, you know, it's it's you know,

585
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: like my mother always said, if you don't like the

586
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: first answer you got, go ask somebody else, all right,

587
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: and see what sort of in the shop. Do you

588
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: ever use much of the Jasper companies rebuilds of engines,

589
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: of transmissions at all. And I was gonna mention Jasper

590
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: Jasper would be the only other source I've had direct

591
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: contact with. UM I've had some of late. We've been

592
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: using their differentials, their front and rear axles. Uh. You know,

593
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: it's been a while since we've done engines and transmissions

594
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: on you know, it's heavy work. Now we don't see

595
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: that much of it. But yeah, Jasper is another one.

596
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: And I think Jasper is a three year hundred thousand

597
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: mile warranty. They've got great nationwide coverage and you can

598
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: find some satisfaction there as well. You know, now, I

599
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: think I think one of the things you may find

600
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: being is this is a two thousand that either Jasper

601
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: or GM. There may be some parts availability, but you

602
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: don't know until you call. You know, don't take don't

603
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: take everything wrong. Rate for your wonderful help and keep

604
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: up the phenomenal, extraordinary show with Tom. Thank you again,

605
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: the wonderful holiday. You're very welcome. Larrak you two. Um. Yeah,

606
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: never assume what everybody's telling you was pent. Folks always

607
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: question it. Like Mom said, you don't like the answer,

608
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: ask another question to a different person. Zero zero cards

609
00:32:51,920 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: back right after this alad book back running in a

610
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: car doctor here. That's uh, let's kind of wind it

611
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: down this hour. I've noticed, you know, and unless you're

612
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: living under a rock, if you own a Hunday or

613
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: a Kia in the last ten years, you've probably experienced

614
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: the engine recall that they've been going on or they've

615
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: been doing. It's been going on for quite a while now. Uh,

616
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 1: you know, engine replacement. They're calling you back doing engines um.

617
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: Article came out on Gelopnik uh courtesy of Kathy. She

618
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: found this force h talking about Honday owners are filing

619
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: a class action lawsuit against excessive oil consumption issues, and

620
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: the author of the article goes on to talk about

621
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: that it's a long list there impacted. It's a long

622
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: list of Hyundai's in the last decade. And evidently his

623
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: own Hundai dealer is UH telling him that his car's

624
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: level is checking his oil level at thousand mile intervals,

625
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: and he's doing it and he's finding that the vehicle

626
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: is using a court every thousand miles, and Hunday calls

627
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: this normal. Um, you know, so be aware if you've

628
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: got a Hunday or a kid and you've had the

629
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: engine repair done and now you're having oil consumption issues,

630
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: there's some sort of a class action lawsuit forming. This

631
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: is brand new out of Gelopnick. But what I want

632
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: to mention is if your vehicle is is an oil burner,

633
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: and it seems like a lot of vehicles today still

634
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: are we still seem to have this problem of oil consumption.

635
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: And my feeling is twofold number one, I think we're

636
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: seeing excessive oil consumption issues on the vehicles. It seemed

637
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: to go too long, and by too long, I think

638
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: manufacturers recommendation on oil change intervals as the vehicle ages.

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00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: I think when that vehicle has zero to thirty thousand

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00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: miles on it, it's not so much of an issue.

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00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: But as that vehicle gets older past the forty mile mark,

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00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: that's when rings get gummy, rings get varnished. Their low

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00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: tension rings on a lot of engines today and they

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00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: just don't seem to hold up. So stay on top

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00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: of your oil changes a little earlier is a better thing,

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00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: I think in my opinion still to this day. And

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00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: also be aware that, yeah, when you're burning oil, you're

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00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: also coding the rest of the exhaust system. That's a problem.

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00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: Until the next time I'm ring any in the car

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00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: doctor reminding you the mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you,

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Speaker 1: She was tid