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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I appreciate that hey Man

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Speaker 1: had lay you out there, my friend, your starre uh

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Speaker 1: I was just someone who's always kind of taking part

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Speaker 1: Barnes and his success. Hi. This ras Sean McDonald and

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Speaker 1: you're listening to money making conversation on the phone. Is

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Speaker 1: my man. Matt Barnes, having studied history of US to

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