1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: When you think about building a championship culture, what does 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: that into You know, the culture at o House State, 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: we built the Skilton Love o Hire State Nasal champions 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: The greatest form of motivation is the brotherhood. Little things 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: like trusts are huge. I think focus is a great word, 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: and I think you have to find guys that come 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: from programs that require them to focus. It's about making 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: sure they have a great experience and that they win. 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: But it's in that order. Keyword is being consistent of 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: caring about the players, caring about not only football, but 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: was one on their mobs clearly defined with the missions 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: and communicating that on a day to day basis plashed down. 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: For me, it's making sure that the players understand Number one, 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: that you care. I never felt that coached by father, 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: I felt I coached like this game not determined by 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: a computer. The game of football is determined by who 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: wants to win. And now moved the Sticks with Daniel 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: Jeremiah and Fucky Brooks. Everybody, what's up? Welcome to Move 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: the six presented by A A. R. P DJ and 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Bucky Here and Buck. This is a special Coaches Edition 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: episode of the show Today and I cannot wait to 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: share with the folks what we've compiled. Well, DJ, you 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: and I have talked um hours on hours about team 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: building and what's the best way to build a championship team. 25 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: So look, the move Sticks staff got together. We put 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: a list of names of coaches, successful coaches that have 27 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: put like great teams together. Dabo Sweeney, Urban Meyer, Lou Host, Joins, 28 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: us Uh, James Franklin, Brian Kelly, Matt Rule, so many 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: great coaches sharing some nuggets on creating a culture that 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: enables you to build a championship program. Yeah, we've talked 31 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: to guys that have come in inherited a pretty good culture, 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: made it better, guys that have inherited terrible culture and 33 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: taking it all the way uh to the tippy top 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: of their their professions. So we try to see what 35 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: we could learn and glean from these conversations. And I 36 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: feel like what we've done on the episode today is 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: we've really kind of mind and taking out the gold, 38 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: you know, these these little snippets of gold from all 39 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: of these coaches, and we've kind of just put it 40 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: all together. And I think you're gonna really enjoy this 41 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: episode getting a chance to hear from all these different 42 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: prominent voices in the coaching profession. Yeah. Look, it's fascinating 43 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: to me just the the process of building a team. 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: Some of these guys, as you talked about our turnaround specialists, 45 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: being able to take teams that were down trying and 46 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: quickly get them up and running and competing at a 47 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: championship level. Others had to sustain levels of success and 48 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: try and find a way to get it to the 49 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: next level. Regardless, they all have recipes and there's some 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: common denominators, some common traits that they share that I 51 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 1: think all of us can incorporate and whatever we do, 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: whether it's coaching a team or even in our business lives. 53 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: All right, well, let's not waste any time here. Let's 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: jump right into this. And what a person to start with. 55 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: The guy who's coming off a national championship last season 56 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: is in the playoff again this year. Uh. Here is 57 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: Dabbo Swinging, head coach at Clemson talking about culture. What 58 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: is the culture down in Clemson? What is it about? 59 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: What What have you put in place to help young 60 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: people grow and thrive relationship? Love? You know, we serve 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: their hearts, not their talent. Our program is about what's 62 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: best for the players. And you know, now, sometimes what's 63 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: best for the players the players don't like. You know, 64 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: there's an old saying that says, rules without relationship leads 65 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: to rebellion. And uh, you know, we we have relationship 66 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: and we we we have transparency and we communicate lots 67 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: of trust and respect and communication. We've built a family 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: atmosphere that's very real and genuine. It's not something you 69 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: can fabricate. And we talk about appreciation. We we teach 70 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: servant leadership. You know, nobody's better than anybody else. How 71 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: can you writen somebody's day. It comes down to not 72 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: just the people involved, but the intentions of the people involved. 73 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, it's about graduating our players and 74 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: equipping them with the tools that they need to be 75 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 1: successful on and off the field. Uh, it's about making 76 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: sure they have a great experience and that they win. 77 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: But it's in that order. The guys know, we're consistent 78 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: and we're fair, and the best player plays period. You're 79 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: not entitled. Is as you build a culture, don't base 80 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: it on entitlement, don't base it on what guys did 81 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: last year, base it on today, you know, And and 82 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: having that windshield mentality of it's always about what's next. 83 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: You know, we learn and grow from what's in the 84 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: rear view mirror. But there's a reason why that rear 85 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: view beer is small and that windshield is big. I 86 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: start over every year, and you know, I tell Trevor, hey, 87 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: you were great last year. Awesome, You're gonna have to 88 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: earn the job again, all right, because that's just the 89 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: way it is. And that's just you know, that's our culture, 90 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: and guys buy into that, and it creates competition and 91 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: it stands out complacency. I've always told our team, we're 92 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: gonna change Clemson, but we're gonna do it from the 93 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 1: inside out. We cannot be distracted by things we don't control, 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: all right, are things we've never done or things people 95 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: say we can't do. If we're gonna change it, it's 96 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: gonna be from the inside out. And if we stay 97 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: focused that way, you know, and have the right belief 98 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: as a man thinking so is he and have a 99 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: clear vision, then we will blossom on the outside. And 100 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: that's exactly what's happened with our program. Focus on having 101 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: a great program, you know, don't focus on just having 102 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: a great team. So many people they compromise and they 103 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: take shortcuts to have a great team. I don't sign 104 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: juco players or transfers. And because my mindset is I 105 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: want to develop through the draft. I don't want to 106 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: be lazy in evaluation. I'm gonna we're gonna create a 107 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: lot of accountability and recruiting. We're gonna we're gonna evaluate 108 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: well and we're gonna develop well. And I won't. I 109 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: want to build a culture that guys know if they 110 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: put the work in sooner or later, they're gonna have 111 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: an opportunity. Now, the best player is gonna play, but 112 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: but you know, most time, if you put the work 113 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: in and you stick it out sooner or later, you're 114 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: gonna have an opportunity. I mean, I just love them. 115 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: I love what I do, I love where I am. 116 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: I love my players. I've got three sons. I look 117 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: at all these guys as my sons. I've been a player. Um, 118 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: I understand how hard it is, but I want my 119 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: My whole philosophy of coaching is is I care more 120 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: about the thirty year old version of them than I 121 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: do the eight team, the twenty two year old version 122 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: of them. That's how I want to deal with them. 123 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: You think differently at thirty than you did it twenty. 124 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: I just try to, uh lead with love and lead 125 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: with wisdom. You know, I'm tough on these guys. Now, Yeah, 126 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: I'm tough on them, but they don't care. I know that. Well, Buck, 127 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: you got a chance to listen to Daboll there. I 128 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: thought it's fascinating when when he discussed the old junior 129 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 1: college thing. Not there's anything wrong with junior college players, 130 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: but they have a formula, they have a way, they 131 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: want to do things. They want to bring guys in 132 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: as freshmen, they want to develop them and basically give 133 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: them the promise if you will put in the work, 134 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: you've got the talent, uh that eventually your time will 135 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: come and you'll get your way out of the football field. Yeah. 136 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: I think that was the best thing about what devil 137 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: Will talk about, his ability to really put the players first, 138 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: making about the players, developed the players not only on 139 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: the field, but developed them off the field, get them 140 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: to be great men, great young people, great people in 141 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: the community, and then that success will eventually translate to 142 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: on field success. But he talked about best players playing, 143 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: letting guys compete, letting guys earn their way, wiping away 144 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: the entitle. That's how you create a culture that allows 145 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: you to compete each and every year from the national title. 146 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: Being fair. I thought that was the key point there. 147 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: He made being fair with his players, all right, for 148 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: somebody who's won a couple of national championships to somebody 149 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: else who's won a couple of national championships. Urban Meyer, 150 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: he's done it at Florida, he's done it at Ohio 151 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: state building championship programs. You're gonna enjoy what he has 152 00:07:54,960 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: to say. When you think about building a championship culture, 153 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: what does that entail? Well, it's a lot of work. 154 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: It's something that I think is one of the most 155 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: overused words in the English language. I don't think people 156 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: understand it to say that I really did. I did 157 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: not as a young coach, and I think culture is everything. 158 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: Culture to me is what does your product or what 159 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: does your team? What does your organization look like? What 160 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: does it feel like? And what does it act like? 161 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: And not necessarily when you're winning by forty points against 162 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: f A U, it's what's it look like in the 163 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: rivalry game? What's it looked like and feel like? An 164 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: act like on fourth down to two. So I think 165 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why I High A State 166 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: is so successful. We built a culture that survives adversity, 167 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: that survives early entry in the NFL draft, coaching change. 168 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 1: If you look at the Patriots and you can say, boy, 169 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: they got a great coach, they got a great you know, 170 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: great players. Absolutely that's true. But names someone who doesn't 171 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: have a great coach and a great player in the NFL, 172 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: they're all great. The thing that makes the New England 173 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: Patriots unique is their culture developed by Bill Belichick, survives 174 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: transition of players, survives injuries, and its culture. The culture 175 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: has to be yours first of our respect. What was 176 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: there before? You know? The culture at O how State 177 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: we've built. It's built on objective truths, it's built on history, 178 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: it's built on experience. Then you have to sell it 179 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: back when I played your coach that do something, you 180 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: did it not Now you have to sell it the 181 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: culture at O how State. I always had a vision 182 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: and a dream that we would play fearless. And I've 183 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: worked at so many places where the players were scared 184 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: to make mistakes. And so my first part. We had 185 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: three parts of the culture, and number one is for 186 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: It's called relentless effort. You go as hard as you can. 187 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: If you make a mistake, no problem. You know, I've 188 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: been criticized a similar teams have had penalties over the years, 189 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: and I would be okay with penalties as long as 190 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: it was non effort related. Now stupid penalties had a 191 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: problem with But if you're going to go as hard 192 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: as you can, you can't say but don't make any mistakes, 193 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: because then the players in conflict. The number two is 194 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: called competitive excellence. We're gonna work harder than anybody else 195 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: in America. And I don't want you to complain about it. 196 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't want you to worry about it. You know. 197 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: I tell me to recruiting that you are going to 198 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: be rewarded in the NFL most likely, and we're gonna win. 199 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: Just do what we ask you to do. It's going 200 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: to be the most miserable, hard stuff you've ever done, 201 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: but embrace it. And then the final piece is it's 202 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: called power of the unit and the greatest form of 203 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: I used the word inspiration instead of motivation because motivations 204 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: short lived. Inspiration as long lives and sustains, and it's love. 205 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: The greatest form of motivation is the brotherhood. And the 206 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: best teams and the best units are those that love 207 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: each other and care about each other. So that's the 208 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: culture of a hostage. Well black, I thought, what what 209 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: coach Meyer talked about their being able to survive adversity? 210 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: To me, any championship level team or organization, you're gonna 211 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: have some rocky times and how do you get through 212 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: it as a group and stay together? Not splinter? I 213 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: thought that was fascinating. Yeah, I thought it was fascinating. 214 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: I think what's really fascinating about coach Meyer is his 215 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: ability to win and win and win and try and 216 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: really figure out the problems. He talked about toughness being 217 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: a big part of an I just think, uh, the 218 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: common the nominator will continue to hear uh from all 219 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: the coaches toughness, how tough your team is, how resilient 220 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: they are, how they bounce back from bad moments. Uh, 221 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: urban Meyer understands and building the culture, you have to 222 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: have guys that will fight to the end and fight 223 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: over those uh, fight through those obstacles. I think he 224 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: understands that. That's why the culture has been so great 225 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: each of every place that he's been at. Yeah, we 226 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: talked about culture. A lot of that is about relationships, UH, 227 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: and that's a topic that James Franklin, the head coach 228 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: at Penn State, UH, did a wonderful job of describing 229 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: the importance of making sure you're developing those relationships. How 230 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: do you know what things are able to be carried 231 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: over and how do you know where you need to 232 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: kind of create not new traditions, but you need to 233 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: do new things that are very specific to the school 234 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: where you're at, like a Penn State. Well, to me, 235 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: that's where like your core values, that's that's where they 236 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: are critical. That's where you know your your mission statement 237 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: is critical. That's where your overall you know your overall 238 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: philosophy is critical. So like for me, it sounds very simplistic, 239 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: but my philosophy is everything starts and ends with relationships. 240 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: So you know, every decision you make within that organization 241 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: and that building, it better be something that builds and 242 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: strengthens relationships between individuals, but also within the team that's 243 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: holding people accountable. That's all those types of things. UM. 244 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: So my point is is those big picture, common themes 245 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: that are critical in any organization, in any environment, those 246 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: don't change UM. But your point is a good one. 247 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: Understanding what that university is like, what things do carry 248 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: over from a Vanderbilt that makes sense at a place 249 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: like Penn State. And what don't you know, me go 250 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: into Vanderbilt and walking around the union and try to 251 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: convince students to not go home for Thanksgiving break and 252 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: to stay for the Tennessee game. I don't need to 253 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: do that. You know, a little different than a little 254 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: different model, a little different model from that perspective. And 255 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: you know, it did take some adjustment because less of 256 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: that was needed. But UM, but I just think being 257 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: able to identify those things, here's the critical things that 258 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: are never going to change. Your core values, your core beliefs, UM, 259 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: and then all these other things. It's got to be built. 260 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: So I think one of the things you have to 261 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: do is whatever you're talking about in your program, you know, 262 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: whether their core values or whether they're UM, you know, 263 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: your overall philosophy. You can't assume that people know what 264 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: those things are. UM. For me, you know, UM, it's 265 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: making sure that the players understand. Number one, that you care. 266 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: It's got to start with relationships. UM. Building that trust 267 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: and the relationships with the players because I believe once 268 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: you have that, you have the ability to take the 269 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: program and the kids to a level that they're probably 270 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: not able to do on their own. Why because you 271 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: can be really challenging and demanding on people if they 272 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: know it's coming from a place where you're doing this 273 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: because you care about them, and you care about the program. 274 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: And when you have that trust and you have that 275 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: respect and those types of relationships, then you can really 276 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: do some significant things not only is a team, but 277 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: but also individually. Um, so it starts with that, it 278 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: starts with trust. Well, Buck, I don't know if anybody 279 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: really inherited a tougher situation than James Franklin there at 280 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: Penn State. This is a program with a rich history, 281 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: but it's been through a very serious scandal, a lot 282 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: of changeover in the coaches, uh, people in and out, 283 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: and then to to get that program back up on 284 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: its feet and to stabilize it to where they are 285 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: playing at a really a top ten, top fifteen caliber 286 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: program year in and year out. He's doing something right. 287 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: He absolutely he is doing something right. And and I 288 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: think look at boy down to trust and communication. Uh, 289 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: can you have direct, honest communication with your players? Can 290 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: you build that trust and sustained that trust by having 291 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: those direct communications. James Franklin has done. He's done it 292 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: in a couple of different places. Did it at Vanderbilt, 293 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: He's done in a Penn State. Terrific coach and you 294 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: can see why his players like playing for him. Well, 295 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: I also enjoy when when coaches really just climbed their 296 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: way up the ladder. James Franklin proved he could do 297 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: it at Vanderbilt. That afforded him the opportunity to go 298 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: to Penn State. But maybe the best example of of 299 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: having a program and something that works and just kind 300 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: of climbing up the ladder, you gotta go to Notre 301 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: Dame for that and Brian Kelly and you'll enjoy his 302 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: our conversation with him about building and developing a program. 303 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: I want to go on the time machine a little 304 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: bit and go back to your time and your start 305 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: there at Grand Valley and and all the success that 306 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: you had there. Is that really the base and the 307 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: foundation for the same things you're doing at Notre Dame. Well, 308 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: certainly that's where I began my career. And I think 309 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, is that young head coach you learn and 310 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: you make mistakes and and that helps build the foundation 311 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: for a lot of the things that that I'm doing today. Look, 312 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, Daniel, I mean I learned how to do 313 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: the laundry there and and when you have to do 314 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: all the jobs, um, from getting the buses uh to 315 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: making sure the laundry is done literally. Um, you have 316 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: a sense for how to develop and build a program 317 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: because you know all the other jobs, and that that 318 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: serves you well when you come to a place like 319 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Coach is funny because I'm a first time 320 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: head coach this year and I'm doing laundry and I'm 321 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: doing all those things or whatever. So because you've been 322 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: able to turn around a couple of different programs, Um, 323 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: what is the secret sauce to being able to take 324 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: a program that may be down when you inherit it 325 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: and get it up and rolling when it becomes to 326 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: get it to a competitive level. Well, I think first 327 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: you have to start with what your mission is. I mean, 328 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: clearly define to everybody that's in that room. And I 329 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: don't mean just the players. I mean the guy that 330 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: is sweeping out the room after. I mean everybody that's 331 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: in that building. Everybody that touches the program clearly define 332 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: what the mission is. And I think once you lay 333 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: down that mission, uh, it then becomes painting the vision 334 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: for that. And so everywhere that I've been it's been 335 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: a clear mission vision and then for me, uh, communicating 336 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: that on a day to day basis and at times 337 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: over communicating it, making sure that there is no um 338 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: uh you know, misscommunication as to why we're here. So um, 339 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: I think once you kind of you know, narrow down 340 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: what it is that you're after, communicating that mission and vision, 341 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: it starts there and then it's a day to day process. 342 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: Um every single day after that, well, bluck, I remember 343 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: going back in and visiting a Grand Valley. That was 344 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: one of my first visits as a scout, going in 345 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: there and realizing, Okay, there's something special and unique about 346 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: this place, the culture they've created. All they did was 347 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: when and then you saw the opportunities grow there for 348 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, then going on to Cincinnati, then on to 349 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: UH to Notre Dame. He's been a tremendous success. With 350 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: some of the limitations they have there at Notre Dame, 351 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: he's kept them relevant year in and year out. He 352 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: has kept irrelevant and I think his his ability to 353 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: kind of take the formula and the recipe and take 354 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: it from Grand Valley State to Central Michigan, to Cincinnati 355 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: and then to Notre Dame says that he understands what 356 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: it takes, and he can spot it and identify and 357 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: he's also quick to change it when the culture isn't right. 358 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: It's really a testament to him and all the success 359 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: that he said that he really understands how to build 360 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: a consistent winner. Body else that understands how to build 361 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: a consistent winner is says someone I'm very familiar with. 362 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: I haven't been coached by him. Scott Sadderfield was a 363 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: position coach at app State when I was playing there, 364 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: went on to become the head coach at Appalachian State, 365 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: then left this past year, went to Louisville and orchestrated 366 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: one of the best turnarounds in college football we've seen 367 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: in a decade plus, earned himself the a c C 368 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: Coach of the Year. And we had a chance to 369 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: sit down and talk with him about that culture. If 370 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: you look at the culture that we both know so 371 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: well coming out out of app State and you spent 372 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: what twenty years there, at that program. When I think 373 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: if you talk to anybody, as I know you have 374 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: around the country, they're jealous of the culture that exists 375 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: at app State. It's a family culture. What are the first, 376 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: you know, two or three steps when you get to 377 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: a new place to try and get that started at 378 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: a new program. Yeah, for us, the first thing that 379 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: we did was trying to build trust within the program 380 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: and within our players. Um. You know, I've said this before. 381 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: The players really didn't know where the head coach's office 382 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: was here. They really didn't spend a lot of time 383 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: around the coaches, and so for us, that's always been 384 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: a norm, and and we wanted them to be able 385 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: to come up here and spend time with us in 386 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: our offices. Um So. But the building trust, and I 387 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: think that just throughout being consistent on a daily basis, um, 388 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, caring about the players, caring about you know, 389 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: not only football, but what's going on our lives, um, 390 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, back home or school or you know whatever else. 391 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: I think just doing that on a on a daily 392 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: basis is how we started that. And we've been that 393 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: that way for the last eight months. Um And I 394 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: think the players have come to accustomed to it now 395 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: and they really appreciate it and they're they're loving what 396 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: we're doing here. Um, you know, but I think that's 397 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: the key word, is being consistent, you know, not being high, 398 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: you know, too high or too low, and but just 399 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: being consistent with our approgram. But I thought the ability 400 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: for coach Sadderfield to translate what worked and what they 401 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: build at Appalachian State and bring that to Louisville, you know, 402 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: with allowing those guys to be themselves. But there's some 403 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: some hardcore philosophies they believe in, and it traveled. It 404 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: traveled well from Budda, North Carolina Louisville, Kentucky. Yeah, it 405 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: did travel well. And I think he deserves a ton 406 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: of creator. He was well deserving of being named a 407 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: CEC Coach of the Year for being able to uh 408 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: take those core values and dropped him in at Louisville 409 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: while also allowing the players uh to kind of maintain 410 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: their their identity and some of the things that they 411 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: created there. Um. I think that's a sound of a 412 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: great coach. A great coaches is able to kind of 413 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: dig into toolbox and pick which tool is right for 414 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: every situation. Sadafield talks about that is one of the 415 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: reasons why he's one of the best coaches in college football. Well, 416 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: he's been outstanding there and somebody else. You're talking about 417 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: turnarounds even maybe more impressive than that. I think everybody 418 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: would agree. Uh, Matt Rule. The job he did at Baylor, 419 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: taking over a program that had been through scandal and 420 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: was in a very low place. Uh. To struggle early on, 421 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: but then to be within one play of the College 422 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: Football Playoff this last year a remarkable turnaround for Matt Rule. 423 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: And after this conversation, I think you'll learn and discover 424 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: why he's a hot name with NFL teams. I distinctly 425 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: remember you talking about speed Um saying that, look, we're 426 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: going out, we're trying to find guys with track background. 427 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: We're trying to find guys that can really run. We 428 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: need to make this football team faster. We'll develop them 429 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: when we get him on campus. But that is one 430 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: area that you focused on, uh, And man, it seems 431 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: like at this point time you're starting to see that 432 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: really pay off your your football teams so much faster 433 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: now than when you got there. Yeah, you know, we Um, 434 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: We we made a decision a long time ago to 435 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: be just kind of really numbers based. Um, you know, 436 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: you can you can just go get a bunch of 437 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: really good football players, and there's there's some place for that. 438 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: But but for us, you know, we don't really have 439 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: first pick in recruiting. You know, we're not the blue 440 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: blood school that you know takes all the five star kids, 441 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: and so you know, we're gonna find kids with length, 442 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna find kids with size. We're gonna find kids 443 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: who who who can run, who can jump, and and 444 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: feel like our profit, our process, our work ethic, our 445 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: weight room, our coaching staff. They'll they'll do the football 446 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: part of it. So it doesn't don't work all the time. 447 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: But you know, you look out there for us and 448 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: you see a bunch of kids that run, tend to 449 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 1: tend three and four, you know, and maybe they were 450 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: receiving in high school. Now they're a corner. Maybe they 451 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: were a corner now they're safety. But you see a 452 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: lot of speed across the board. You see former receivers 453 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: playing linebacker, and so, um, it's a it's not it's 454 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: not the easy way to do it, but I think 455 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: if you do it right, you can have a really 456 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: fast team and really explode the team and the guys 457 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: in the right spots. It's going through the draft process 458 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: and you're evaluating these guys. You're always trying to find, 459 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: you know, the different traits. We can all see the 460 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: physical stuff that's easy to spot on the tape um, 461 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: but trying to find the makeup of kids. And we 462 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: were talking to Dabbo last week and we have kind 463 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: of pose this question to him. He used the word 464 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: focus over and over again. Just with all the distractions 465 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: we have in the world today, especially for these young kids, 466 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: the guys that are really focused that that that is 467 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: a huge deal. Is there I love to get your 468 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: thoughts on that, and is there another trade? Is there 469 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: something else that you see you know that the guys 470 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: that have been successful in your program have in common. Yeah. 471 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: I think focus is a great word, and I think 472 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: you have to find guys that come from programs that 473 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: require them to focus. I think it comes down to 474 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: really two things. To me, it comes down to maturity. 475 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: You know a lot of kids are really good kids. 476 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: You just have to kind of wait for them to 477 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 1: grow up. And a lot of that to me is adversity. 478 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: Former walk Ons in the NFL Uh. You know, guys 479 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: who have changed positions, guys who have red shirt, and 480 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys are five star recruits, 481 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: four star recouichs. They go in, they play three years, 482 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: and they leave and they haven't really had they might 483 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: have had off the field adversity, they haven't had a 484 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: lot of football adversity, because you only football character when 485 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: you have football adversity, when you're when things are going well, 486 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: everyone's good, When things, you know, hit the fan is 487 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: when you need to truly love the game. And me, 488 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: when you get guys who have read shirted, who have 489 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: changed positions, who have walked on, you know that they 490 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: have gone through that period and had to fight through it. 491 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: And so I think that maturity, that love of the 492 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: game is what everyone's dying for at the next level. Buck, 493 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: I thought coach Rule talking about, you know, how to 494 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: build the program, talking about speed that was important, but 495 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: just a toughness that they had there, And I think 496 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: that's what this football program has really been all about 497 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: there at Baylor. You know, it's all about the toughness 498 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: and how you have to coach up the toughness, how 499 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: you have to man more uh from your young players. 500 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: And they ultimately will respond. I also thought the recruiting 501 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: model was fascinating, not being at a premier school or 502 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: blue blood, but finding different ways to tap into UH 503 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: the great recruiting market, and then to develop the players. 504 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: It's all the part building a championship team. The culture 505 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: has to be about the toughness, but then developing those 506 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: players they can play at a high level. Bailey has 507 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: done it better than most, I thought. He echoed also 508 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: what coach Meyer said a little bit earlier, which is 509 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: got to be able to deal with adversity and football 510 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: adversity in the middle of the game. How do you 511 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: deal with that? UM? I thought that was really fascinating 512 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: to listen to. All Right, we got a chance to 513 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: to listen to coach Satterfield a few minutes ago, who 514 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: coached me in college. Now we've got a chance to 515 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: listen to your college football head coach Mac Brown, who's 516 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: won a national championship at Texas. He returned to North 517 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: Carolina and as has that program UH well on their 518 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: way to being back to what they were when he 519 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: was there the first time. And it was great to 520 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: catch up with coach Brown about how he builds his 521 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 1: culture when you think about their word culture, what does 522 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: it mean when it comes to building your program and 523 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: how important is it to have the culture right before 524 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: you really can win at a big level. Buck, Yeah, 525 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that people use the word 526 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: culture all the time. I've never used it much, but 527 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: how think you are who you are? And the first 528 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: thing that has to happen with our assistant coaches are 529 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: staff and our team is they have to know that 530 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with them. So whatever I tell them, 531 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. And if they don't have that trust, 532 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: then it it just doesn't work. So the first thing 533 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: we did is we came in and said, okay, Bucky, 534 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: you've been losing. Why tell me why you're losing. Tell 535 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: me what needs to change. Secondly, what what do you want? 536 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: What do you need? Well, the food's bad, we'll fix 537 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: the foods and now we've got great food. And that 538 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: looks good at Player's Lands. Why don't you go into 539 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: players lanes? There's nothing there were like heir pad and pencil. 540 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: Write down what you like? What do you want? I 541 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: want this video game, Okay, we'll get it. I want 542 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: a bigger Papa shot. I want to great, we'll go 543 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: we wan't sleep pods. We'll get it whatever you want, 544 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: but you gotta come in there and use it, because 545 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: we want you around here, want you to believe in us. 546 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: That the field has been bad for the last couple 547 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: of years. We'll put philter fin, we'll put synthetic grass, 548 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: and that will be faster than other people, and that 549 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: that's gonna it's gonna look good. Number One, you've got 550 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: to commit to them. Number two, you've gotta to give 551 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: them what they want within the rules and make sure 552 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: that they understand that the program is special. It's not 553 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: just we're not asking you to do special things, but 554 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: not giving you special things to do those things. And 555 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: and then thirdly, they need to know that if I 556 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: tell them, uh, they're gonna have steak on Friday night 557 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: and stake doesn't show up, then I'm not doing my job. 558 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: So whatever you tell these young people, they need to 559 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: know that you're gonna follow it up. And again, we 560 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: all talk about little things, little things like trusts are huge, 561 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: and without that, it just doesn't work. So I've become 562 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: dd you another thing about the five years, I've become 563 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: so direct with our staff and our assistant coaches. I've 564 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: become so direct with our team. I tell them exactly 565 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: what I think and and and I've told them you 566 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: if you don't want to hear the truth, then grow up. 567 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: Well Black, there's a there's a life uh in, an 568 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: energy to coach mc brown when you talk to him, 569 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't care what the birth certificate says. 570 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: That man is young at heart, and he's very excited 571 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: about what he's getting a chance to rebuild there at 572 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: North Carolina. Yeah, he's doing a great job of rebuilding 573 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: the program in North Carolina, and I think, uh justin 574 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: though snip as you understand why it's always about the players. 575 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: He wants to do whatever you can do to make 576 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: sure that the players are comfortable, that they have everything 577 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: that they need to have success. And then he's going 578 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: to make sure that he coaches him he gets them going. 579 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: And so when you look at a guy who has 580 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 1: been able to do it at North Carolina and didn 581 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: he did it at Texas now he's back in North Carolina, 582 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: he obviously has the recipe for success. I'm just glad 583 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: he was able to share a little insight. Well. The 584 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: interesting thing is when we talked to two coaches like 585 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: mac Brown and and Urban Meyer, Um Scott Sadderfield, Matt Role, 586 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 1: all these guys, James Franklin. There there's one name. When 587 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: you talk about coaches that they admire, coaches that they 588 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: paid attention to, or that they've learned from. A name 589 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: kept coming up over and over again as we were 590 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: going through all these coaching conversations, and we said, you 591 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: know what, we've got to get this guy on and 592 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: fortunately we were able to get it done. Lou Holtz, 593 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: a legendary coach at Notre Dame, had a chance to 594 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: visit with him Buck and we've we quickly learned the 595 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: secret sauce of why Lou Holtz had so much success 596 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: choosing to take over down tried and programs. I happen 597 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: to see your your story about taking over South Carolina 598 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: and how the struggles were early and now you're resolute 599 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: and bringing it back. When you've been successful at previous 600 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: places and it takes a little longer to turn it around, 601 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: how are you able to steal, dig down deep and 602 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: continue to believe in the values that you believe in. 603 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: I thank me and if you're willing to, I want 604 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: to do something bad. Duff you'll find a way. If 605 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: you want to cheat something, you'll find a way. If 606 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: you know what, you'll find an excuse excuses a lot 607 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: of easier to find than solution. I also think it's 608 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: important debate sure that you never sacrifice a bank a 609 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: short range decision that will sacrifice your long range, your goal. 610 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: For example, maybe I had to suspend some athletes at 611 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: arcas on by first year, but that that was more 612 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: critical because if the adult you're going to establish a 613 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: culture that's not going to be conducive to making good 614 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: young men as well as good football players. I never 615 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: felt like coach football. I felt a coach like this 616 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: game not determined by a computer height, weight, size made 617 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: if it was we're put in a computer and we 618 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: get a read out. The game of football is determined 619 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: by who was to win. Well buck to me, no excuses, 620 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean that was that was the mantra there for 621 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: lou Holtz just doesn't allow it. You don't make excuses. 622 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: You find a way to get it done. You get 623 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: it done. Um and he's still sharp, man. I know 624 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: he's he's been out of it for a while, but 625 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: you can definitely tell in that conversation he's still got it. Yeah, 626 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: he still has it. Find a way to win is 627 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: everything like, no excuses, find a way to overcome whatever 628 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: is in front of you and don't worry about what 629 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: it looks like. And I think the perseverance to grit, 630 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: the resigency that he discusses, uh, that might be the 631 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: best trade that every player and every team must have 632 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: if they're going to get to the top of the mountain. 633 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: I just I just believe that Lou Holtz inspires so 634 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: many coaches and so many coaches that follow this thing. 635 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: It was great to have him on because you hear 636 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: the wisdom in his words. Look, it stands the test 637 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: of time. Yeah, no doubt that. What a great way 638 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: to end this episode listening to what coach Lou Holtz 639 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: had to say. I hope you guys have enjoyed this 640 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: as much as we have these conversations with these championship 641 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: caliber coaches and how they've built their cultures and what 642 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: makes them tick. It's been fascinating for us to learn 643 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: as we go along, and hopefully you enjoyed it as well. 644 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us today. Thank you so 645 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: much for watching, for listening. For Bucky Brooks I'm Daniel Jeremiah. 646 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to move the sticks presented by a 647 00:31:48,000 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: ARP before he