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Speaker 1: Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Anyone that's read my

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Speaker 1: memoir Blood Beneath My Feet, Journey of a Southern Death Investigator,

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Speaker 1: you may remember the name Pearl. Pearls my grandmother and

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Speaker 1: she practically raised me. I miss her every single day

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Speaker 1: of my life. Now. There are two things that Pearl

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Speaker 1: kept on hand that tie her back to her childhood,

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Speaker 1: and she was very proud of these items, kept them

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Speaker 1: in the house. One was her mother's butter churn I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget it. She wasn't one of these grandmothers that

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Speaker 1: would say don't touch that. She would actually encourage you.

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Speaker 1: And I would ask her questions about it all the time.

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Speaker 1: How did this work? Did you do it? Did you

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Speaker 1: ever use it? And she'd tell me about milk and

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Speaker 1: cows and that sort of thing and churning butter. But

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Speaker 1: the other thing that she had was a scrub board.

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Speaker 1: And many people don't know what a scrub board is,

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Speaker 1: but a scrubboard is something that you would actually do

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Speaker 1: you'd boil it many times, and then you'd scrub it

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Speaker 1: out with a bar soap, and that bar soap was

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Speaker 1: not something you went down to a supermarket, because where

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Speaker 1: my grandmother lived, there were no supermarkets where she grew up.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, she still remembers the night

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Speaker 1: till the day she died. You remember the night that

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Speaker 1: World War One ended, because the men rode up and

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Speaker 1: down the streets of their little village on horses, firing

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Speaker 1: And it was a simpler time. But they had to

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Speaker 1: make their own soap, and they made their own soap

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Speaker 1: by using lye lye. And the case that we're going

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Speaker 1: to discuss today involves lie, this chemical substance, and it

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Speaker 1: might be one of the most horrific ways that I

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Speaker 1: have covered regarding the death of someone. The long languishing

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Speaker 1: death of a man who had what appears to be

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Speaker 1: lie applied to his body. Five months he lingered before

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Speaker 1: he finally died. Today, we're going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: homicide allegedly committed at the hands of a man's daughter.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks day, back

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Speaker 1: when my grandmother would talk about having to produce lie

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Speaker 1: soap in their little village that they lived in in

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Speaker 1: the backwoods North Louisiana, where by the way, there were

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Speaker 1: no improved roads where she lived there, it was essentially

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Speaker 1: very few people had cars. They still use wagons that

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Speaker 1: sort of thing. Even into her teen years, it was

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Speaker 1: nothing for them to see that horses up and down

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Speaker 1: really no stores to go to buy soap as we

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Speaker 1: think of it today. They would have to produce this

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Speaker 1: at home, and there's a very specific formula. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I even remember as a small child my grandmother talking

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Speaker 1: about how dangerously soap was and the production of ly soap,

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Speaker 1: and she had even mentioned that her mother had gotten

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Speaker 1: so it has always kind of hung in the back

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Speaker 1: of my mind why people would choose to use the substance.

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Speaker 1: But it was highly effective. Matter of fact, it's been

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Speaker 1: stated by many people that there was no kind of

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Speaker 1: that had undergone treatment would lie lie soap in order

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Speaker 2: We're talking about Megan Joyce Immirates, she's eighteen at the time.

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Speaker 2: Her sixty four year old dad, Conrad Immirates, has mentioned

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Speaker 2: that lie soap and you broke it down as to

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Speaker 2: making line talking about how strong it is. There's no

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Speaker 2: clean like you get clean from li and I had

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Speaker 2: the same stories from my mother and grandmother as well.

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Speaker 2: In looking this up, found out that a lie powder

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Speaker 2: is often used in drain cleaner, so we might even

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Speaker 2: have this in our home right now. Liepowder is often

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Speaker 2: Here's the kicker though, Lie again lie powder. It's even

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Speaker 2: more dangerous when it's.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is, and you can come in contact in

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Speaker 1: a powdered form. You can come in contact with it

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Speaker 1: And that happens as a result of the substance itself

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Speaker 1: But it really kicks into overdrop. There's actually a catalyst

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Speaker 1: on this thing is the app direct application of water

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Speaker 1: as it applies to this particular case, because without those

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Speaker 2: And to give you an idea, okay, because I had

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Speaker 2: to look it up, I didn't know. It says that

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Speaker 2: the water creates an exothermic reaction that actually causes the

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Speaker 2: this case, on the man's skin with the lie in

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Speaker 2: the drink leaner, it could actually go up to two

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Speaker 1: Two hundred degrees. Yeah, and that's powerful stuff when you

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Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do to quench that. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: How do you clean it up? If you've got this

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, it's something that an individual

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Speaker 1: It's one thing I think for those of us that

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Speaker 1: the case of Conrad Emirates, my lord, it's hard to

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Speaker 2: To set the stage, Megan Emirates turning eighteen, and she

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Speaker 2: had plans that day that she needed and she needed

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Speaker 2: a part of. She had a big plan, and Conrad

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Speaker 2: Emirates had a drinking issue. And I only say that

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Speaker 2: because it actually plays into what took place. Conrad Emirates

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Speaker 2: was on the couch, either passed out. And the reason

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Speaker 2: I say it comes into play is we react differently.

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Speaker 2: have all these plans and he just ruined them. What

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Speaker 2: She's doing everything she can, and he's not waking up.

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Speaker 2: He's not responding. And depending on how you look at

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Speaker 2: it and as I stated at the beginning, I tried

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Speaker 2: do know is that around where Conrad Emirates was laying

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Speaker 2: that was some type of drain cleaner. There was water

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Speaker 2: splashed all over him, and there were other things there

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Speaker 2: and he Conrad Emirates said that he only remembered waking

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Speaker 2: that he didn't remember anything that took place during this.

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Speaker 2: the water that was burning him, and five hours later,

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Speaker 2: on the couch and her description, he looked very bad.

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Speaker 2: He looked very out of it. This is Kayleb Busquett

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Speaker 2: legs looked green. That's a direct quote from Kayleb Busquette,

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Speaker 2: But one thing that really struck me, Joe, and this

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Speaker 2: I told her we were at the hospital. Her dad

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Speaker 2: What we also know is a nurse allegedly overheard Conrad

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Speaker 2: Emerets telling his son, Austin Emirates, that Megan was the

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Speaker 2: one who caused his injuries, and the Michigan State Police

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Speaker 2: was then called in because of what the nurse overheard.

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Speaker 2: They interviewed Meghan Emirates at the hotel, not at the

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Speaker 2: hospital right, not there with her dad, but at the

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Speaker 2: hotel where she's going to have her party that her

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Speaker 2: dad's paying for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fact that she has admitted to allegedly

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Speaker 1: taking these items, multiple items, and throwing them at him.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't stand up, I think logically when you begin

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Speaker 1: to look at this.

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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, Joe, I believed that story. I

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Speaker 2: believed her when she said she threw a bunch of

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Speaker 2: stuff at him until you explained earlier what had to

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Speaker 2: have taken place, and then I went, oh, this was

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Speaker 2: way more direct than I thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's actually a switch that has to be flipped

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Speaker 1: chemically here in order to initialize this chemical reaction. Let's

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Speaker 1: just look at it. This way you take this substance

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Speaker 1: and you distribute it over an area and then you

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Speaker 1: activate it with water. That's simply what happens. And I

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Speaker 1: was thinking when I was reading through this, I was

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Speaker 1: thinking one of the things that arson investigators look at

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Speaker 1: by the way that I think arson investigators are some

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Speaker 1: of the unsung professionals that are out there in forensics,

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Speaker 1: and people don't normally refer to them as forensic scientists.

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Speaker 1: I submit that I think that they're fantastic forensic people.

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Speaker 1: But that aside. When arson investigators look at say fires

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Speaker 1: that are set and they're in a home, for instance,

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Speaker 1: in a structure, they look for what to referred to

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Speaker 1: as splash patterns. Say, if someone takes a can of

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Speaker 1: gasoline and kind of throws it and it spreads it

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Speaker 1: all over room, you can actually see where the fire

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Speaker 1: tracks as a result of the pattern, this liquid splash pattern.

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Speaker 1: You're radio guy, Dave, you look at you guys have

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Speaker 1: all of these monitors and things you look at. You've

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Speaker 1: seen kind of sound waves before. And for me not

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Speaker 1: being that's not the way my mind works. That's I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to make it in my simple way, it looks

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Speaker 1: like a wave pattern many times, and you'll see all

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Speaker 1: these really weird patterns, you know, that come out relative

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Speaker 1: to the distribution of saying accelerant like gasoline, where a

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Speaker 1: match is applied and it'll burn and you'll see the

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Speaker 1: margins of it. With this, it's not exactly the same. However,

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Speaker 1: you begin to think about distribution of the substance of

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Speaker 1: this drain cliner over the surface of the body of

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Speaker 1: the skin, and you know that this is not something

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Speaker 1: where say, for instance, okay, let's just give people the

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Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. Let's just say that he had

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Speaker 1: a bit of it that wound up on the back

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Speaker 1: of his hand. Okay, and then somehow miraculously water got

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Speaker 1: applied to it and he was burned in that one area. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll go we did there, logically, we'll have that discussion.

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Speaker 1: But when you talk about his hands, his head, his torso,

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Speaker 1: his legs, you know that that is not quite as randomized. Say,

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Speaker 1: for instance, if you just come in contact with it

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Speaker 1: and get it wet on your hand, because what are

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Speaker 1: you going to do, well, automatically, you're going to retract

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Speaker 1: from it. It's something that's going to be very unpleasant.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to want anything to do with it. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that's that's not what we're seeing here. Manifesting physically, you've

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Speaker 1: got this distribution from literally head to toe with him.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately with mister Emmert's he no longer had toes.

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Speaker 1: Do you know why, Dave, Because as a result of

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Speaker 1: being subjected to this kind of trauma after he is

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Speaker 1: in ICU and he's being and it's a twenty four

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Speaker 1: hour of course with him, and they had to bilaterally

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Speaker 1: amputate his legs. So both legs were literally taken off surgically.

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Speaker 1: And that's how extensive this was. Not only that we

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Speaker 1: talked about the contact surfaces with this event involving this substance.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that one of the other things that

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Speaker 1: can happen is to inhale inhale this stuff as well?

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Speaker 1: And as we found out from the medical examiner in

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Speaker 1: mister Emmertz's case, his lungs were damaged. He actually had

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Speaker 1: to have a track in place to help him breathe.

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Speaker 1: So now that he's in intensive care, they've had to

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Speaker 1: place a breathing tube in his throat.

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Speaker 2: Is that what the track is? When you say trake? Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's a breathing tube.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it goes actually right in the mid line

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Speaker 1: of the throat. So if you'll find if people anatomically,

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Speaker 1: if you'll find where that little cartilations body some people

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Speaker 1: refer to as Adam's apple just inferior to that, they'll

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Speaker 1: make an incision in there and they'll insert this breathing

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Speaker 1: to And so he's having to have help just merely

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Speaker 1: to survive. And of course, the big thing that happens

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Speaker 1: with people that are burned is that they're going to

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Speaker 1: kidney failure, and that's the kiss of death. As he

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Speaker 1: is being treated in the hospital, one of the other

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Speaker 1: things that's going on with him, he's in a state

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Speaker 1: of kidney failure all the time. So now this man

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Speaker 1: has had to go on to dialysis, which is further

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Speaker 1: impacted by the fact that if we are to believe

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Speaker 1: what we have heard that he had a problem with

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Speaker 1: chronic alcohol consumption, his kidneys may have already been compromised

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Speaker 1: to a great degree. It wouldn't be like a guy

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Speaker 1: that's walking around just on a daily basis with a

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Speaker 1: healthy set of kidneys. Okay, So he's got a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that are working against him at this point.

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Speaker 1: In time. The nature of this death is not there's

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Speaker 1: no hint of mercy here. It's not like it was quick.

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Speaker 1: This is a long, slow, agonizing death. Right now, his daughter,

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Speaker 1: Meghan nineteen, of Groveland Township in Oakland County, Michigan, has

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Speaker 1: been found guilty. She's been found guilty of murdering her

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Speaker 1: father by use of harmful devices, irritants causing death, and

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Speaker 1: domestic violence. Her trial only took four days. She faces

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Speaker 1: up to life imprisonment when she is sentenced. That sentencing

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Speaker 1: is scheduled for July twenty fifth, twenty twenty three. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks