WEBVTT - Matthieu Pavon 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:08.680 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.960 you every Wednesday. This week's guest Matthew Pavon, the Frenchman, 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:16.560 just got his first win on the PGA Tour. He's 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.919 one of those players that got into the PGA Tour 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.599 off of the dp World Tour last year. He's pretty 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:24.520 much played the majority of his career in Europe. But 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.960 a very very big win for him and a win 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:29.960 that I think could set him. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.360 Up for some really really good things. 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.560 He's got a legit chance to make the Tour Championship now, 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.880 we've got a Ryder Cup in a couple of years, 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.199 so playing on the PGA Tour full time now he's exempt, 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.400 he's into all the majors, he's into all the designated events. 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:45.879 And it was a really really. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.560 Big win out at the Farmers on a tough golf 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.800 course and a really cool talk with I think a 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:56.480 player that's got a pretty high ceiling confidence is such 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.279 a huge thing in golf, and I think he's going 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.520 to take a lot of confidence into the rest of 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:00.880 the year. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:02.920 Already got a win early and. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.640 He's basically playing with house money and we're gonna see 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.440 what he can do in twenty twenty four, but a 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.039 really cool interview. So sit back and enjoy listening to 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:17.680 Matthew Pavon. So, Matthew, the obvious question is if we 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.360 went back to February of twenty twenty three and I 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.400 told you that in February twenty twenty four, you will 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.319 be twenty six in the world, you'd be playing full 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.039 time on the PGA Tour, you would already be a 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.360 winner on the PGA Tour, and you'd be inside the 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.560 top thirty in the official World Golf rankings. Would you 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.720 have believed that all of that could happen in such 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:40.880 a short period of time. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.280 In the short period No, to be fair, I always 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.000 played my career step one step at a time. I 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.360 know where I come from. I know I wasn't the 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.240 most talented and most gifted gopher in the world. I 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.120 had to build my career slowly. But yeah, those ones 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.560 were my goal. So I dreamed of it, and I 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:05.120 was ready to catch these momentums. But that quick, you know, 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.040 it's it's just un but a little. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:11.640 The jump from DP World Tour playing in Europe and 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.720 you are. One of the things I like about your 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.920 career is you are a product of I still call 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:18.720 it the European You're a product of the European Tour. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.200 You played the Alps Tour, you played the Challenge Tour, 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.400 and then you got to the Big Tour, and now 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:28.600 you've made the jump to the pinnacle of what everybody 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.720 starts out wanting to do, which is play on the 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:34.720 PGA Tour. How has it been different and how has 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:38.920 it not been different than playing your full time in Europe. 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.960 Yeah, I think I'll only play full tournaments. Two of 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.359 them were pro ams and one was in Hawaii, so 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.720 I can't say I have like the proper taste of 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:54.680 the PGA Tour best. But no, I think what was 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.920 key for me is to keep doing what I was 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:01.880 doing last year. I think people my change sometimes and 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.240 get lost of it, and me me, I just tried 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.480 to do the same thing to see where my game 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.680 could bring me, if my game was good enough for 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:15.799 the PGA Tour, and obviously, like there's the first few 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.480 weeks show me that my game is probably good enough 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.320 to play here follow time. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.000 I mean we're always, as instructors and coaches were always 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.119 trying to tell players whatever level they're playing at, that's 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.480 bigger than the one that they were just on that. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.560 At the end of the day, it's still just golf. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.520 The stage is just bigger, the prize fund is bigger. 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:39.880 There might be more good players, but everybody is. Whether 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.200 you're playing on the Alps Tour or you're playing on 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.440 the PGA Tour, the object and the game. They don't 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.560 change the rules of the game once you get to 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.600 the PGA Tour, right, It's not like, Okay, now I've 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.760 got my PGA Tour card. Now the game has completely 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.119 changed and now there's a new set of rules. It's 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.320 the same golf that you've played your entire life. Is 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.560 it hard to at times sometimes remember that because also 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.520 now you're going to be in all of the designated events. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.040 As a winner, you're going to be in all of 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.640 the majors, So you are now also going to be 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.920 in that You were in a winners category on the 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.080 DP World, but when you're in a winners category on 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.119 the PGA Tour, you're playing a lot with the best 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.880 players on the planet. You're playing with Scotti Scheffler, you're 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.280 playing with Rory McElroy, You're playing with all of the superstars. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.000 So has it been in an adjustment and a learning curve. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.200 I know we're only four tournaments in, but there are 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:37.520 people like yourself, Matthew. You've won your first PGA Tour event, 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.720 in your fourth event on tour. There are rookies that 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.080 have missed their first four cuts and are thinking, Okay, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.840 am I good enough to be out here? What's the 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.479 comfort level that you've found so far and how do 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.880 you think you can keep that going over the course 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:55.800 of the rest of the year. 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:00.359 Yeah, I think we built a nice and the solid house, 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.640 let's say. Or talking about my swing and the last 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.240 few years, I had to change something technically with my 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.000 coach made me better. I moved the ball left to right 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.000 and I'm really confident about it. So I think the 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.080 structure we build this is pretty nice. So I have 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.600 I have no nothing in my head when I play. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.480 I'm pretty confident on what I have to do, the 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.839 way I have to practice. Everything is pretty clear clear. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.920 I think for me, what was the biggest thing is 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:33.200 to build a project around me, a path to the 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.240 elite golf course, to the elite players in the world, 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:41.760 and just follow follow that path. After every week, every 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.800 every month, every year, we try to get better. But 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.680 I always trying to have an objective look on my 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.960 performance and see where I can I can improve and 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.520 where I can be better, but not making like a 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.880 revolution of something in my swing is just a slight 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:04.840 evolutions every time. Like I was saying earlier to to 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.200 young guys, I was double chipping too much when I 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.600 was shortsighted, I was trying to be too cute and 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.240 just passing this flag and giving me more opportunities to 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:19.200 make a putt instead of chipping again made me make 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.040 me one few few points on the golf course. And 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.120 depending where you are when you are on the on 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.040 the leader board in the tournament, it can make a 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.600 massive difference on the season. To be fair, I am 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.760 again today with you at Florida's with my putting coach also, 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.560 and yeah, this is for me. This is where I'm 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.720 I worked the most the last the last two years, 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:46.080 putting has been pretty big. I was losing point on 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.520 the green and now I think for the first four 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.720 tournaments I'm like in the top five of the pgs 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.039 or so. It's a big change. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.600 The changes that you've made to your putting, have they 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:58.159 been technical, have they been green reading, Have they been 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.039 a mental shift in the way you're doing it or 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:03.719 is it a combination of the three. 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.839 I think it is a slight combination. We have. We 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:11.560 haven't changed my padding stroke. My coach, Youan Carson, is 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.600 really on. Like we checked that the ball starts online 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.720 with very very simple I use the tutor with like 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.400 the two metal balls, and then we we check the 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.920 aims really important. So every when everything is dial in 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.560 with aims and ball start, we compete like we have 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:34.240 so many games in terms of speed of green reading 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.520 of shot puts and light puts. So it's a it's 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.520 a mix of all these great drills, and I think 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.920 it's great because there are so many one of them 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:45.640 that you have to hold the put to finish the 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.840 drill and it puts you that little extra pressure because 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.680 you don't want to restart, and it's always good to 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.320 to to get close to those pressure moments that you 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.200 find on the on the on the golf course. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.360 You mentioned aiming. 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.760 I think that is something that I think so many 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:06.240 players that aren't great putters, they're thinking about a lot 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.360 of things, right, they're working on a lot of things, 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.440 but the way that they aim, and I think once 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.520 you start working on trying to aim the putter consistently, 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.080 you realize how quickly you can get off and how 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.160 much that can affect what's going on. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.280 Yeah, that's true. I mean I took a week off 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.920 after Pebble, not practicing and during time with family, and 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.000 then I come back on the putting ring first day 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.760 with my coach, and then we saw that my lines. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.920 My lines were terrible. I was aiming like one time left, 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.400 one time right. That was terrible. And after two three 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.040 days getting back to the basics on the drills we 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:48.560 do for for alignments, you get banks right away. So yeah, 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.920 I think it is key. I mean, if you're hundred 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.080 percent sure that you aim where you want the ball 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.160 to start, and then keep building confidence on that ball start. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.800 I think it's simple things which you create a lot 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.800 of consistency into putting. 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.920 You mentioned you changed shape from hitting more of a 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:07.920 draw to hitting it a little bit more left to right, 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:09.920 which is a little bit more of a fade. What 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.680 was the reason behind that choice. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.680 Yeah, so I wasn't really a draw. I was also 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.000 a fathe player, but I was missing a lot left, 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:23.960 so I had to destructive double cross that nobody likes 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.840 and pull it and then you've all end up into 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:33.920 hazards and stuff. So I always I always played. I 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.720 always put myself into like what makes me confident on 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.120 the golf course. So me every time I missed right, 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.680 I'm very confident about when I see my ball curving 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.120 too much, It's good because then I know every time 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.360 I'm going to end left or to albi or a 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.840 short side pin, I know my ball if I missed 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.400 the show is going to go too much right and 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.640 on the open side. So this is what we changed 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.400 with my Jamie. On a technical point, I was like 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.240 a little bit like my elbow was out and my 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.880 club was crossed and now is kind of in front 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.400 of me and and off with an open face. So 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.280 that really had me to swing the clement left and 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.239 get that get that curve backed and very consistent. 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:22.760 You come from a sporting family. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.960 Your father was a professional footballer soccer player for the Americans, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:28.960 and your mother is a golf instructor. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:31.240 How important was. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:35.760 The the background having a father that was a professional 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.840 athlete and then also having a mother that is involved 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.920 in looking at golf swings and helping players get better. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:48.240 Yeah, I'm very lucky. I think we I was born 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:55.000 and raised into a family and the sports. Yeah, sports childhood. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.440 Let's say it was all about sport. I love every 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.720 single sport I watched at and since I was kid, 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.240 I dreamed about my dad when I when I was 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.719 seeing him playing on the pitch, I was like, this 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:12.640 is this is incredible. They always have been very supportive 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.240 to me, very positive. I think that's key. When you 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.400 raise your your your son and your your daughter with 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.560 a lot of love and a lot of positivities, it 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.960 really helps. They never been really intrusive with me in 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.120 my career. They let me, let me makee some of 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:33.200 the mistakes I could have done. And also when I'm 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:37.120 doing great things, they never step in. They're really on 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.120 my side and they're just trying to push me as 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.360 much as I can. But with as I said, a 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.480 lot of love and positivity, which is I think pretty big. 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.240 For me coming from France. I mean there is a 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.600 there is a long history of some very very good 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.040 French golfers. I think unfortunately, the French golfer that people 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.800 know the most just Sean Vandervelt for everything that happened 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.160 at the Open it at Carnousti. But Thomas LaVey, I 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:02.920 know has been a mentor of yours. I mean a 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.559 lot of people don't forget. I mean Thomas LaVey was 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.560 part of that playoff where Ernie Els won the Open 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.760 Championship at Mirfield, Thomas played on a Ryder Cup. 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.480 I mean Thomas had a very very good career. 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.320 One of the guys that I always was surprised that 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.080 didn't do better when I was on the European Tour 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:21.480 back in the day, Raphael Jacqueline. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:22.640 I mean Raphael had a. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.400 Beautiful golf swing, right, I mean he really hit the 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.679 golf ball well. Gregory Havevrey made some big strides and 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.440 played good one year at the US Open. Coming from France, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.640 which a lot of people don't see is necessarily a massive, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.800 massive golf country, do you feel like this is an 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.200 opportunity for you, because I think it's always important. Everybody, 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.320 I think is a young golfer, their idols are tiger Woods, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.600 the greats of the games. But I think it's very 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:54.160 important for people that are from countries to be able 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.440 to have role models that you can say, listen, I'm 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:01.160 from Bordeaux, Matthews from Borer. He made it to the 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.800 PGA Tour. That's a role model that I can touch 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.720 and feel because he lives the same kind of life 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.920 that I live, but the same type of upbringing. What 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.520 role do you feel like this win for you? I 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.120 mean it's the first win they count. There was a 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.920 French person that won the Open Championship, which messages yeah, 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.200 nineteen o seven is the last time someone from France 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.160 won a tournament on the PGA Tour. I mean, that's 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.240 a huge feather in your cap. But it's also I'm 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.320 sure a responsibility for you now to say, listen, I 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.520 can now fly the flag for French Cup. We're going 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.680 into an Olympic year. I mean, you now have a 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.680 legit chance to represent your country for the Olympics. It's 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.360 got to just be an amazing time in your life 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:44.640 right now. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.720 Yeah, it is really exciting. I mean I think it is. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.720 I would love to do this represent my country, not 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.400 only for Olympics, but trying to get the best out 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.880 of me and that some young people in friends can 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.560 look at me as a I don't consider myself yet 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.880 as one of those big champs, but yeah, if I 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:11.800 can be a motto for them, like someone they dream 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.920 about and they want to achieve the same thing that 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.840 I do or even better, that would be fantastic for me. 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:21.120 I think we had Tony Parker in basketball, and we 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.160 saw many great basketball player from front they came to 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.920 America and they succeed. So yeah, I think we have 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:32.040 a lot of talented guy. Maybe fourteen players right now 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.120 on DPR two, which is pretty big for a nation 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.800 which is I think not a very golf nation for now, 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:42.000 but it is big. I mean after it's just about 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.920 creating the opportunity to come play here in America and 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.520 try to do your best. But I think we have 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:53.360 a very nice young generation and if I can be 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.440 like a model for them, it's I'll do it with 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.800 pleasure and I will try to help the young guys 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:00.600 in France as much as kin forshure. 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.960 You took advantage of the partnership between the PGA Tour 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.560 and the europe and the DP World Tour to where 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:15.080 now ten of the top players from DP World now 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.240 then get PGA Tour cards. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:18.760 There are a lot of. 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.600 People that that that think that's really good. There are 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.120 people that look at you could look at that is 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.280 the European the DP World Tour is going to have 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:33.000 their ten best players go to the PGA Tour, the 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.960 role that the European Tour, the European Tour played in 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.200 your development. Now that you're playing full time on the 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.240 PGA Tour, now that you will be in all the 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.200 designated events, you'll be in all the majors, how much 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.760 do you want to continue to support the dp World 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.280 Tour in future? 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.440 Yeah, I mean for me, it's a it's a dream 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.560 to come in America and play. I've dreamed about it's 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.880 since so many years. This is where I'm going to 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.080 say so with my family. This is where I want 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:02.840 to compete the most because the best player in the 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:07.000 world I are here, no doubt. But I love the 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.520 European Tour. I had some fantastic years seven years over there. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.040 I want them once in Spain, and it is a 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.800 nice tour. Things maybe can be done a little bit 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.920 better compared to PGA Tour, which is for me, a 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:25.120 massive organization. But I love the tour. I love where 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.800 I come from and I never forget that. So definitely 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.320 in my schedule, I have some spaces open and available 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.160 for some of the tournament there, and I will keep 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.920 going back to Europe to to compete at some points 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:38.080 every year for sure. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.440 The other massive thing for you, Matthew is from a 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.600 Ryder Cup standpoint, it's a hell of a lot easier 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.120 to play good in the US on the PGA Tour 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:47.320 and make a European. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.480 Ryder Cup team. That is that is a that is 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:50.840 a massive opportunity. 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:52.840 Not to say that it works out because you could 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:57.200 come out, but having one already on the PGA Tour, 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:02.600 you know that if you just playing halfway decent over 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.199 the next two years, you are going to have a 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:09.720 legit chance to represent Europe at Bethpage Black for the 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.480 European Ryder Cup team has the Ryder Cup and having 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.280 an opportunity to play on one of those for Europe. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.160 Has that been a goal of yours as well? 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.000 Yes, So it is not a goal that I set 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.399 up like this year or the years before. It's like, 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.200 let's say a lifetime goal, I think, because. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.199 I don't think. My point is it's if you're not 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:31.040 one of the. 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:36.119 Big superstars in European golf, it's hard to make a 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.639 Ryder Cup team, right. There's a lot we saw that 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:42.800 this year. There's a lot that goes into it at 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.080 the back end when the picks come out they tend 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:50.640 to look at guys that are playing in the US. 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.560 Adrian moronc is a great example. I mean Adrian it 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.440 is he's probably won four times in the last eighteen months. 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.880 He won a DP World tournament at Marcos Simoni where 0:17:59.920 --> 0:18:02.840 the Ryder Cup was, and they went with guys at 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.679 one had been on Ryder Cups before, but they pretty 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.080 much went with people that were playing on the PGA Tour. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:10.280 True. 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.320 So for you, now you're going to be in all 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.800 of these events, you're exempt for two years. This gives 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:22.200 you now an opportunity. Even in February of twenty twenty four, 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.080 you can say, Okay, this can now become a real, 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.800 real goal. This isn't a lifetime goal that everybody that 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.680 plays golf that is a pro in Europe says, yeah, 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.680 one day, I'd really love to play on a Ryder Cup. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.680 And you and I both know the majority of people 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.280 that say that will never even. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:42.280 Have the opportunities. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:46.640 You now have a legit chance to By the end 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:51.600 of this year, you could basically solidify your position on 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.520 the Ryder Cup team. By the end of twenty four 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.320 and twenty five, you're just basically get measured for the 0:18:58.359 --> 0:18:59.879 close because you already know you're gonna be on the 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:00.720 flight over. 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.280 Yeah, that would be amazing. As I say, it's a 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:07.159 lifetime goal, which is kind of changed right now. No, 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.920 I think it's just that the PGA to give give 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.520 you more values. As we said, we compete every week 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.600 against the best player in the world. And I think 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:22.800 mister Lucdonald is looking closely at this. I think for sure, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.320 when you have only on some of the deeper world 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:29.360 Tour even generally have maybe five six guys playing which 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.760 are the top hundred in the world on every tournament, 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:36.640 is not good enough to see if you can compete 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:41.120 as in a high level golf tournament with a lot 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:44.280 of good players and a lot of pressure, you know. 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.159 So yeah, it makes the PGA to has more value. 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.760 It makes you more legit. Let's say, if you have 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.040 good results here for sure one hundred percent. And I 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:58.920 mean the captains they've played in both in Europe in America, 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.000 so they know what they are doing. So if they 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.560 kind of tends to set someone who plays more in 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.760 America and who plays good over there, I think it's 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:12.200 for a reason. And yeah, for sure a Ryder Cup 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.160 could be could be big for me. I dreamed about 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.880 it so many times, but now I like to set 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.560 up goals which are like in front of me, not 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.520 too far away. So if I just keep getting a 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.639 little bit better a person better every every month and 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.040 every every year, great things will happen. 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.800 I mean this, I mean we're always looking at the 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:36.240 start of the year. As coaches. 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.000 We're always saying, Okay, you've got the West Coast swing, 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:42.000 and then you'll have the Florida Swing, and the guys 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:43.800 that get out to a really good start on the 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.440 West Coast, you know, those are the ones that again 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:52.000 you're looking. It's hard not to look forward. But you're 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:56.280 currently leading the FedEx Cup. You win in San Diego, 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.119 you go to Pebble Beach, it's rain shortened, Okay, you 0:20:59.200 --> 0:20:59.879 finish third. 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.119 Again, we're five six weeks in. 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.440 By the time we get to Florida, there's probably going 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.280 to be a good chance that you're still going to 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:09.360 be leading the FedEx. 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:11.359 So my point behind that is, just. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.760 Like the Ryder Cup conversation, you get off to a 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:18.960 fast start, how have you had to adjust and how 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:23.119 are you going to manage your expectations? Because when you 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.119