1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week's guest Matthew Pavon, the Frenchman, 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: just got his first win on the PGA Tour. He's 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: one of those players that got into the PGA Tour 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: off of the dp World Tour last year. He's pretty 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: much played the majority of his career in Europe. But 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: a very very big win for him and a win 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: that I think could set him. 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: Up for some really really good things. 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: He's got a legit chance to make the Tour Championship now, 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: we've got a Ryder Cup in a couple of years, 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: so playing on the PGA Tour full time now he's exempt, 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: he's into all the majors, he's into all the designated events. 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 2: And it was a really really. 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: Big win out at the Farmers on a tough golf 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: course and a really cool talk with I think a 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: player that's got a pretty high ceiling confidence is such 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: a huge thing in golf, and I think he's going 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: to take a lot of confidence into the rest of 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: the year. 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: Already got a win early and. 22 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: He's basically playing with house money and we're gonna see 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: what he can do in twenty twenty four, but a 24 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: really cool interview. So sit back and enjoy listening to 25 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: Matthew Pavon. So, Matthew, the obvious question is if we 26 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: went back to February of twenty twenty three and I 27 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: told you that in February twenty twenty four, you will 28 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: be twenty six in the world, you'd be playing full 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: time on the PGA Tour, you would already be a 30 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: winner on the PGA Tour, and you'd be inside the 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: top thirty in the official World Golf rankings. Would you 32 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: have believed that all of that could happen in such 33 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: a short period of time. 34 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: In the short period No, to be fair, I always 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: played my career step one step at a time. I 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: know where I come from. I know I wasn't the 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: most talented and most gifted gopher in the world. I 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: had to build my career slowly. But yeah, those ones 39 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: were my goal. So I dreamed of it, and I 40 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 3: was ready to catch these momentums. But that quick, you know, 41 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: it's it's just un but a little. 42 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: The jump from DP World Tour playing in Europe and 43 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: you are. One of the things I like about your 44 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: career is you are a product of I still call 45 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: it the European You're a product of the European Tour. 46 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: You played the Alps Tour, you played the Challenge Tour, 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: and then you got to the Big Tour, and now 48 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: you've made the jump to the pinnacle of what everybody 49 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: starts out wanting to do, which is play on the 50 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: PGA Tour. How has it been different and how has 51 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: it not been different than playing your full time in Europe. 52 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'll only play full tournaments. Two of 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 3: them were pro ams and one was in Hawaii, so 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: I can't say I have like the proper taste of 55 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: the PGA Tour best. But no, I think what was 56 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 3: key for me is to keep doing what I was 57 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: doing last year. I think people my change sometimes and 58 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: get lost of it, and me me, I just tried 59 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: to do the same thing to see where my game 60 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: could bring me, if my game was good enough for 61 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 3: the PGA Tour, and obviously, like there's the first few 62 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: weeks show me that my game is probably good enough 63 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: to play here follow time. 64 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean we're always, as instructors and coaches were always 65 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: trying to tell players whatever level they're playing at, that's 66 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: bigger than the one that they were just on that. 67 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's still just golf. 68 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: The stage is just bigger, the prize fund is bigger. 69 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: There might be more good players, but everybody is. Whether 70 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: you're playing on the Alps Tour or you're playing on 71 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, the object and the game. They don't 72 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: change the rules of the game once you get to 73 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, right, It's not like, Okay, now I've 74 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: got my PGA Tour card. Now the game has completely 75 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 1: changed and now there's a new set of rules. It's 76 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: the same golf that you've played your entire life. Is 77 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: it hard to at times sometimes remember that because also 78 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: now you're going to be in all of the designated events. 79 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: As a winner, you're going to be in all of 80 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: the majors, So you are now also going to be 81 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: in that You were in a winners category on the 82 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: DP World, but when you're in a winners category on 83 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,119 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, you're playing a lot with the best 84 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: players on the planet. You're playing with Scotti Scheffler, you're 85 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: playing with Rory McElroy, You're playing with all of the superstars. 86 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: So has it been in an adjustment and a learning curve. 87 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: I know we're only four tournaments in, but there are 88 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: people like yourself, Matthew. You've won your first PGA Tour event, 89 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: in your fourth event on tour. There are rookies that 90 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: have missed their first four cuts and are thinking, Okay, 91 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: am I good enough to be out here? What's the 92 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: comfort level that you've found so far and how do 93 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: you think you can keep that going over the course 94 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: of the rest of the year. 95 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we built a nice and the solid house, 96 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: let's say. Or talking about my swing and the last 97 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: few years, I had to change something technically with my 98 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: coach made me better. I moved the ball left to right 99 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: and I'm really confident about it. So I think the 100 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: structure we build this is pretty nice. So I have 101 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: I have no nothing in my head when I play. 102 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 3: I'm pretty confident on what I have to do, the 103 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 3: way I have to practice. Everything is pretty clear clear. 104 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: I think for me, what was the biggest thing is 105 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: to build a project around me, a path to the 106 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: elite golf course, to the elite players in the world, 107 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: and just follow follow that path. After every week, every 108 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: every month, every year, we try to get better. But 109 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: I always trying to have an objective look on my 110 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: performance and see where I can I can improve and 111 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: where I can be better, but not making like a 112 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: revolution of something in my swing is just a slight 113 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: evolutions every time. Like I was saying earlier to to 114 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: young guys, I was double chipping too much when I 115 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 3: was shortsighted, I was trying to be too cute and 116 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: just passing this flag and giving me more opportunities to 117 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: make a putt instead of chipping again made me make 118 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: me one few few points on the golf course. And 119 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 3: depending where you are when you are on the on 120 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 3: the leader board in the tournament, it can make a 121 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 3: massive difference on the season. To be fair, I am 122 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: again today with you at Florida's with my putting coach also, 123 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: and yeah, this is for me. This is where I'm 124 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: I worked the most the last the last two years, 125 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: putting has been pretty big. I was losing point on 126 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: the green and now I think for the first four 127 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 3: tournaments I'm like in the top five of the pgs 128 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 3: or so. It's a big change. 129 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: The changes that you've made to your putting, have they 130 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: been technical, have they been green reading, Have they been 131 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: a mental shift in the way you're doing it or 132 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: is it a combination of the three. 133 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 3: I think it is a slight combination. We have. We 134 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: haven't changed my padding stroke. My coach, Youan Carson, is 135 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: really on. Like we checked that the ball starts online 136 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 3: with very very simple I use the tutor with like 137 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: the two metal balls, and then we we check the 138 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 3: aims really important. So every when everything is dial in 139 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: with aims and ball start, we compete like we have 140 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: so many games in terms of speed of green reading 141 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: of shot puts and light puts. So it's a it's 142 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: a mix of all these great drills, and I think 143 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: it's great because there are so many one of them 144 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: that you have to hold the put to finish the 145 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: drill and it puts you that little extra pressure because 146 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: you don't want to restart, and it's always good to 147 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: to to get close to those pressure moments that you 148 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: find on the on the on the golf course. 149 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: You mentioned aiming. 150 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: I think that is something that I think so many 151 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: players that aren't great putters, they're thinking about a lot 152 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: of things, right, they're working on a lot of things, 153 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: but the way that they aim, and I think once 154 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: you start working on trying to aim the putter consistently, 155 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: you realize how quickly you can get off and how 156 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: much that can affect what's going on. 157 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. I mean I took a week off 158 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: after Pebble, not practicing and during time with family, and 159 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: then I come back on the putting ring first day 160 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: with my coach, and then we saw that my lines. 161 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: My lines were terrible. I was aiming like one time left, 162 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: one time right. That was terrible. And after two three 163 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: days getting back to the basics on the drills we 164 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: do for for alignments, you get banks right away. So yeah, 165 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: I think it is key. I mean, if you're hundred 166 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: percent sure that you aim where you want the ball 167 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: to start, and then keep building confidence on that ball start. 168 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: I think it's simple things which you create a lot 169 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: of consistency into putting. 170 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: You mentioned you changed shape from hitting more of a 171 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: draw to hitting it a little bit more left to right, 172 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: which is a little bit more of a fade. What 173 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: was the reason behind that choice. 174 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I wasn't really a draw. I was also 175 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: a fathe player, but I was missing a lot left, 176 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: so I had to destructive double cross that nobody likes 177 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: and pull it and then you've all end up into 178 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: hazards and stuff. So I always I always played. I 179 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 3: always put myself into like what makes me confident on 180 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 3: the golf course. So me every time I missed right, 181 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: I'm very confident about when I see my ball curving 182 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: too much, It's good because then I know every time 183 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: I'm going to end left or to albi or a 184 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: short side pin, I know my ball if I missed 185 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: the show is going to go too much right and 186 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: on the open side. So this is what we changed 187 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: with my Jamie. On a technical point, I was like 188 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: a little bit like my elbow was out and my 189 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: club was crossed and now is kind of in front 190 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: of me and and off with an open face. So 191 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: that really had me to swing the clement left and 192 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,239 Speaker 3: get that get that curve backed and very consistent. 193 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: You come from a sporting family. 194 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: Your father was a professional footballer soccer player for the Americans, 195 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: and your mother is a golf instructor. 196 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: How important was. 197 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: The the background having a father that was a professional 198 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: athlete and then also having a mother that is involved 199 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: in looking at golf swings and helping players get better. 200 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very lucky. I think we I was born 201 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: and raised into a family and the sports. Yeah, sports childhood. 202 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: Let's say it was all about sport. I love every 203 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: single sport I watched at and since I was kid, 204 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: I dreamed about my dad when I when I was 205 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 3: seeing him playing on the pitch, I was like, this 206 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: is this is incredible. They always have been very supportive 207 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: to me, very positive. I think that's key. When you 208 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: raise your your your son and your your daughter with 209 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 3: a lot of love and a lot of positivities, it 210 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 3: really helps. They never been really intrusive with me in 211 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: my career. They let me, let me makee some of 212 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 3: the mistakes I could have done. And also when I'm 213 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: doing great things, they never step in. They're really on 214 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: my side and they're just trying to push me as 215 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: much as I can. But with as I said, a 216 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: lot of love and positivity, which is I think pretty big. 217 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: For me coming from France. I mean there is a 218 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: there is a long history of some very very good 219 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: French golfers. I think unfortunately, the French golfer that people 220 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: know the most just Sean Vandervelt for everything that happened 221 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: at the Open it at Carnousti. But Thomas LaVey, I 222 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: know has been a mentor of yours. I mean a 223 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: lot of people don't forget. I mean Thomas LaVey was 224 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: part of that playoff where Ernie Els won the Open 225 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: Championship at Mirfield, Thomas played on a Ryder Cup. 226 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: I mean Thomas had a very very good career. 227 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: One of the guys that I always was surprised that 228 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: didn't do better when I was on the European Tour 229 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: back in the day, Raphael Jacqueline. 230 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: I mean Raphael had a. 231 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: Beautiful golf swing, right, I mean he really hit the 232 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: golf ball well. Gregory Havevrey made some big strides and 233 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: played good one year at the US Open. Coming from France, 234 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: which a lot of people don't see is necessarily a massive, 235 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: massive golf country, do you feel like this is an 236 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: opportunity for you, because I think it's always important. Everybody, 237 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: I think is a young golfer, their idols are tiger Woods, 238 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: the greats of the games. But I think it's very 239 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: important for people that are from countries to be able 240 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: to have role models that you can say, listen, I'm 241 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: from Bordeaux, Matthews from Borer. He made it to the 242 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: PGA Tour. That's a role model that I can touch 243 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: and feel because he lives the same kind of life 244 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: that I live, but the same type of upbringing. What 245 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: role do you feel like this win for you? I 246 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: mean it's the first win they count. There was a 247 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: French person that won the Open Championship, which messages yeah, 248 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: nineteen o seven is the last time someone from France 249 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: won a tournament on the PGA Tour. I mean, that's 250 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: a huge feather in your cap. But it's also I'm 251 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: sure a responsibility for you now to say, listen, I 252 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: can now fly the flag for French Cup. We're going 253 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: into an Olympic year. I mean, you now have a 254 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: legit chance to represent your country for the Olympics. It's 255 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: got to just be an amazing time in your life 256 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: right now. 257 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is really exciting. I mean I think it is. 258 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: I would love to do this represent my country, not 259 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: only for Olympics, but trying to get the best out 260 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: of me and that some young people in friends can 261 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 3: look at me as a I don't consider myself yet 262 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: as one of those big champs, but yeah, if I 263 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: can be a motto for them, like someone they dream 264 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: about and they want to achieve the same thing that 265 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: I do or even better, that would be fantastic for me. 266 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: I think we had Tony Parker in basketball, and we 267 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: saw many great basketball player from front they came to 268 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: America and they succeed. So yeah, I think we have 269 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: a lot of talented guy. Maybe fourteen players right now 270 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 3: on DPR two, which is pretty big for a nation 271 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: which is I think not a very golf nation for now, 272 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 3: but it is big. I mean after it's just about 273 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 3: creating the opportunity to come play here in America and 274 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: try to do your best. But I think we have 275 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: a very nice young generation and if I can be 276 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: like a model for them, it's I'll do it with 277 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: pleasure and I will try to help the young guys 278 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 3: in France as much as kin forshure. 279 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: You took advantage of the partnership between the PGA Tour 280 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: and the europe and the DP World Tour to where 281 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: now ten of the top players from DP World now 282 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: then get PGA Tour cards. 283 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: There are a lot of. 284 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: People that that that think that's really good. There are 285 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: people that look at you could look at that is 286 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: the European the DP World Tour is going to have 287 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: their ten best players go to the PGA Tour, the 288 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: role that the European Tour, the European Tour played in 289 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: your development. Now that you're playing full time on the 290 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: PGA Tour, now that you will be in all the 291 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: designated events, you'll be in all the majors, how much 292 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: do you want to continue to support the dp World 293 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: Tour in future? 294 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for me, it's a it's a dream 295 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: to come in America and play. I've dreamed about it's 296 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: since so many years. This is where I'm going to 297 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: say so with my family. This is where I want 298 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: to compete the most because the best player in the 299 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: world I are here, no doubt. But I love the 300 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 3: European Tour. I had some fantastic years seven years over there. 301 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: I want them once in Spain, and it is a 302 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: nice tour. Things maybe can be done a little bit 303 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: better compared to PGA Tour, which is for me, a 304 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 3: massive organization. But I love the tour. I love where 305 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: I come from and I never forget that. So definitely 306 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: in my schedule, I have some spaces open and available 307 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: for some of the tournament there, and I will keep 308 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: going back to Europe to to compete at some points 309 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: every year for sure. 310 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: The other massive thing for you, Matthew is from a 311 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup standpoint, it's a hell of a lot easier 312 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: to play good in the US on the PGA Tour 313 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: and make a European. 314 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: Ryder Cup team. That is that is a that is 315 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: a massive opportunity. 316 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: Not to say that it works out because you could 317 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: come out, but having one already on the PGA Tour, 318 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: you know that if you just playing halfway decent over 319 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: the next two years, you are going to have a 320 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: legit chance to represent Europe at Bethpage Black for the 321 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: European Ryder Cup team has the Ryder Cup and having 322 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: an opportunity to play on one of those for Europe. 323 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: Has that been a goal of yours as well? 324 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: Yes, So it is not a goal that I set 325 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 3: up like this year or the years before. It's like, 326 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 3: let's say a lifetime goal, I think, because. 327 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 2: I don't think. My point is it's if you're not 328 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: one of the. 329 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: Big superstars in European golf, it's hard to make a 330 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup team, right. There's a lot we saw that 331 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: this year. There's a lot that goes into it at 332 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: the back end when the picks come out they tend 333 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: to look at guys that are playing in the US. 334 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: Adrian moronc is a great example. I mean Adrian it 335 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: is he's probably won four times in the last eighteen months. 336 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: He won a DP World tournament at Marcos Simoni where 337 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup was, and they went with guys at 338 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: one had been on Ryder Cups before, but they pretty 339 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: much went with people that were playing on the PGA Tour. 340 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: True. 341 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: So for you, now you're going to be in all 342 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: of these events, you're exempt for two years. This gives 343 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: you now an opportunity. Even in February of twenty twenty four, 344 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: you can say, Okay, this can now become a real, 345 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: real goal. This isn't a lifetime goal that everybody that 346 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: plays golf that is a pro in Europe says, yeah, 347 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: one day, I'd really love to play on a Ryder Cup. 348 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: And you and I both know the majority of people 349 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: that say that will never even. 350 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: Have the opportunities. 351 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: You now have a legit chance to By the end 352 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: of this year, you could basically solidify your position on 353 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup team. By the end of twenty four 354 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: and twenty five, you're just basically get measured for the 355 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: close because you already know you're gonna be on the 356 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: flight over. 357 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be amazing. As I say, it's a 358 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 3: lifetime goal, which is kind of changed right now. No, 359 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: I think it's just that the PGA to give give 360 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: you more values. As we said, we compete every week 361 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 3: against the best player in the world. And I think 362 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: mister Lucdonald is looking closely at this. I think for sure, 363 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: when you have only on some of the deeper world 364 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 3: Tour even generally have maybe five six guys playing which 365 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 3: are the top hundred in the world on every tournament, 366 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 3: is not good enough to see if you can compete 367 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 3: as in a high level golf tournament with a lot 368 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 3: of good players and a lot of pressure, you know. 369 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 3: So yeah, it makes the PGA to has more value. 370 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: It makes you more legit. Let's say, if you have 371 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: good results here for sure one hundred percent. And I 372 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 3: mean the captains they've played in both in Europe in America, 373 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: so they know what they are doing. So if they 374 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: kind of tends to set someone who plays more in 375 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: America and who plays good over there, I think it's 376 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 3: for a reason. And yeah, for sure a Ryder Cup 377 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 3: could be could be big for me. I dreamed about 378 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 3: it so many times, but now I like to set 379 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: up goals which are like in front of me, not 380 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: too far away. So if I just keep getting a 381 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 3: little bit better a person better every every month and 382 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: every every year, great things will happen. 383 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: I mean this, I mean we're always looking at the 384 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: start of the year. As coaches. 385 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: We're always saying, Okay, you've got the West Coast swing, 386 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: and then you'll have the Florida Swing, and the guys 387 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: that get out to a really good start on the 388 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: West Coast, you know, those are the ones that again 389 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: you're looking. It's hard not to look forward. But you're 390 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: currently leading the FedEx Cup. You win in San Diego, 391 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: you go to Pebble Beach, it's rain shortened, Okay, you 392 00:20:59,200 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: finish third. 393 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: Again, we're five six weeks in. 394 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: By the time we get to Florida, there's probably going 395 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: to be a good chance that you're still going to 396 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: be leading the FedEx. 397 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: So my point behind that is, just. 398 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: Like the Ryder Cup conversation, you get off to a 399 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: fast start, how have you had to adjust and how 400 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: are you going to manage your expectations? Because when you 401 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: teed it up in Hawaii, your expectations on what you 402 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: thought twenty four was going to be like are a 403 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: hell of a lot different than what your expectation now 404 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: because now, yeah you want to win. Yeah you want 405 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: to play in all the majors. Yeah you want to 406 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: contend in majors. Those are all dreams and goals and 407 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: things you want. But the dream has become reality. You're 408 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: now in every golf tournament for the next two years. 409 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: That really matters, right, You're in all the majors. And 410 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: you know, Matthew that confidence is so important. I always 411 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: say this on the podcast. Brooks has won five majors. 412 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: Everyone asks them which is the hardest to win. He says, 413 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: the hardest one to win is the first one, because 414 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: after that you kind of. 415 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: Know what to expect. Do you feel like now when 416 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: you get. 417 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: Into contention having one, Yes, you've won in Europe before. 418 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: Yes you won in the Challenge Tour in the app store. 419 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: There's a big difference between winning and then winning on 420 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: the future, and then the other thing is on one 421 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: of the hardest golf courses, on one of the best 422 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: golf courses they have on the PGA Tour. Tiger's won 423 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: their a trillion times John Rams won majors there Tigers 424 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: won a major. That I mean, some of the best 425 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: players in professional golf have won on a really difficult 426 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: golf course. That has to give you tremendous confidence moving forward. 427 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And the most important for me gives confidence 428 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: on my work, like what we put in to work 429 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: with my physical coach, with my putting coach, with my 430 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 3: technical coach, with everybody in my team. It is a 431 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 3: big reworld when you win, because it shows that what 432 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 3: you've done in the past, it shows you that it worked. 433 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: So building that confidence with my team it's even bigger 434 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 3: for me because when we know everything is clear, we 435 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 3: are we are working in the right direction, gives me 436 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: even more confidence. So so that was the thing after Yes, 437 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 3: the most important is what you have between you two years. 438 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 3: Expectations might change slightly. I'm not gonna hide it, but 439 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 3: as I said, we have a good team. I think 440 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: which is good for me is like to settle set 441 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 3: up some nice some nice how you say, some nice goals. 442 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 3: I'm always I'm not reading two points or like rankings 443 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 3: and stuff. I'm all on me what I have to 444 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: do to get better every day. And yeah, by doing 445 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 3: those small about what I have to work on and 446 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 3: stuff like this. This is where I'm I think I 447 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: will create more opportunities in the future for on maybe 448 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 3: majors of or Rider Cup stuff. 449 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: And the other thing now is when you get your 450 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: next opportunity, which you will have more opportunities this year. 451 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: You know that there are going to be tournaments where 452 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: you're going to be one of those four or five 453 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: guys on the back nine on Sunday that are right 454 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: around it. Does the mindset now go why not me again? 455 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 2: I mean why not me? 456 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you've always thought that you were good 457 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: enough to win, right, but until you actually do it 458 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: and then you went on the PGA Tour against the 459 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: best players in the world on an iconic, very tough 460 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: golf course, the thought process has gotta be I can 461 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: do this again. 462 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And this is already what I 463 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: felt a little bit in the tory. I said, I 464 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 3: want one in Europe that I know how my nage, 465 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 3: my days, my emotions. So I just tried to repeat 466 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 3: same process and see how my process was working overseas, 467 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 3: and it worked. So next time, just trying to repeat 468 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 3: the same thing but with maybe a little more confidence, 469 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 3: and now I know that because I've done it once, 470 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: I got a little bit freedom, let's say in my mind, 471 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 3: and that maybe I could be dangerous in some of 472 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 3: the last round this season. 473 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: Let's go back to that final round. 474 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: You were talking to some of our juniors here and 475 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: the final round you started too, I think two shots back. 476 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: You were in the second to last group or the 477 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: last group. You're in the last group, and you have 478 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: the absolute dreams start to winning your first PGA Tour event. 479 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: You bogue the first hole. But I heard you say 480 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: something I thought was very interesting to the juniors that 481 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: sometimes that can be a good thing. How can bogey 482 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: in the first hole when you're trying, when you're two 483 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: shots back and you're in the last group, and you 484 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: know you're going to be playing a really difficult golf 485 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: course under very difficult conditions. It's cold out there in 486 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: San Diego, it's been wet, it's been raining. It's not 487 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: like it's perfect conditions. 488 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: What was the mindset and why is it? Why did 489 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: that help you? 490 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what I said to Mike Kelly. I said, 491 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: it is not too bad to start with a bogie, 492 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: because then I am already like deep in the battle, 493 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: I will have to fight back. And sometimes it's better 494 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 3: because when you start some of the rounds and you 495 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: scale to me, then this is where you started making 496 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 3: more and more mistakes. And me, I made the mistakes 497 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: on the first so I was like, Okay, now we 498 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 3: have to fight back. And so I had to play 499 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 3: every shot very committed and very with a lot of 500 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 3: energy and positivity in my mind. And it really helped me. 501 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 3: Like every time I show up on the golf course, 502 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 3: whatever it's the first round, all the last round, I 503 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 3: always tried to beat the golf course. I think if 504 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: you get it every time all year long, you're going 505 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 3: to do great. And that's my mindset. It's really me 506 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 3: against the golf course more than me against the field. 507 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: And yeah, bogging bugging that first aul was like, okay, 508 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 3: is one up on me. Let's trying to chase that 509 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: golf course and bit him. 510 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you followed up the 511 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: bogie off the first with four more birdies on the 512 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: front right. Yeah, and then you had a lot of 513 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: stretches of pars. The good thing that I think you 514 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: were I think what won you the golf tournament was 515 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: the way that. 516 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 2: You played the really tough stretches a toy. 517 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: Once you make that turn, you go down and then 518 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: you've got the It really starts at the par three. 519 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: What's at the twelfth or the thirteenth. Yeah, and then 520 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: you're going straight out to the ocean. You've got a 521 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: par four that if you missed the fairway, you're making bogie, 522 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: then you've got a par five. 523 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: I mean. 524 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: The great thing about Tory, and I think why everybody 525 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: likes it's a little bit like Riviera. 526 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: Is you can't hide. You have to. 527 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: The golf course demands what shots you have to hit, 528 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of shots from the middle 529 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: of the fairway. There there are a lot of shots 530 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: from the t box where you just know you have 531 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: to hit the fairway. It might not look penal, but 532 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: you know that if you miss the fairway or if 533 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: you miss a green, you're struggling to make a bogie. 534 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is like this Attori. Every time you miss 535 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 3: the fairway, you're in trouble. It's pretty much you're gonna 536 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: make a bogie. So yeah, that golf course, I think 537 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: it's pushing you to show the best, which is great. 538 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: It's a golf course where instead of trying to keep 539 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 3: the ball in play, you have to hit the right 540 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 3: shot at the right time. And this is nice because 541 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 3: sometimes on those last round when you can be stressed, 542 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: you kind of hundred play. Let's say you're trying to 543 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 3: be too cute to keep the ball hit. Maybe the 544 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 3: ball a little bit softer and maybe too much in 545 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 3: the middle of the green and stuff like this, and 546 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 3: it makes you play like so so, and that golf 547 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 3: course really push you to hit the best shots on 548 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 3: every opportunities. And I think this is what I like 549 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 3: the most because I failed two times losing tournament on 550 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 3: tough ones, and that time I was like, Okay, that's 551 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 3: a tough one. It's going to be tough for everyone. 552 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: If you want to succeed on that golf course today, 553 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: you will have to to hit some pretty good shots 554 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 3: and you have to aim every every time you hate 555 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 3: a shot, you would have to him to do a 556 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 3: good shot and not like just an okay shot. 557 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: And I heard one of the things that, again I 558 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: thought was really very relevant for the juniors listening. You 559 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: told them that one of the differences between what you 560 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: did at Tori when you won is you'd had chances 561 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: to win on DP World before in the final round 562 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: you were leading late and you let it slip away 563 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: because maybe you were trying not to lose and trying 564 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: to play too conservative. And you mentioned that the mindset 565 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: on Sunday was Okay, I'm trying to win my first 566 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: PGA Tour event. I've got to go out and try 567 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: and win this, win the golf tournament today, as opposed 568 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: to try and go out and try and not lose. 569 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: What is the difference between in your mind when you're 570 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: in that mindset of Okay, I'm just trying not to 571 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: hit a bad shot. I'm just trying not to get 572 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: in too much trouble here, and then the difference between 573 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: you say Okay, I see my target. I have a 574 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: very good idea of what I'm trying to do here. 575 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: And one of the things again that you said to 576 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: the juniors that I really liked you said on Sunday 577 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: at Tory at the Farmers you tried to make committed 578 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: golf swings. 579 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: What does that mean to you as the player? 580 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 3: That's key. I think when you try to not lose 581 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: or not make mistake, this is where you make the most. 582 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: So everything you could do is like control your process, 583 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 3: control your mind and trying to hit the best shot 584 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 3: every day, every time. And me that was not playing 585 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: Tory as a very tough golf course because I had 586 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: to hit the ball far let's say, straight and to 587 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 3: those great shots. If you are in the golf course 588 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 3: which is a little bit more open, a little bit 589 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 3: easier when everybody drops make lots of already, it could 590 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: be could be very different. Like you know, it's going 591 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 3: to be tough, and the only way you can win 592 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 3: that trophy is like stepping in and really go get 593 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 3: it instead of not trying to lose it. And that's 594 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: that's a big difference. Mentally. 595 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: You're twenty six in the world now. When you turn 596 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: pro in twenty and thirteen, you were ranked almost close 597 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: almost close to one thousand. 598 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: I mean you were eight hundred and ninety in the 599 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: in the world amateur rankings. So so how'd you do it? 600 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: Because there are so many players, like you said, not 601 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: everybody is Rory McElroy, right, Not everybody comes out and 602 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: has immediate success. We know the players that do that, 603 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: but there are a lot more players Matthew, like yourself 604 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: that it has been a longer journey it's been you know, 605 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: I say this all the time, the ten thousand. 606 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: Hour rule, the ten year rule. I am literally. 607 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: I started working on the European Tour in two thousand 608 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: and two. Trevor Wilman was the first player I worked with, 609 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: and in twenty and twelve I was working with Ernie 610 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: Els when he won the Open Championship. Lisab it was 611 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: ten years you turned pro into twenty and thirteen and 612 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four you win. So a lot of 613 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: people look at that and think, oh, it's an overnight success. 614 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: They haven't seen the ten years of work that you 615 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: put in. What is the one thing over. 616 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: The last decade that you've done that you think is 617 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: done that has led you to this point? 618 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 3: Now, never let it go. I mean, it's all about work. 619 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: It's all about discipline. It's not about working out for 620 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 3: fifteen days and stop a week or two. It is 621 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 3: it is consistency, Like if you were it's better to 622 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 3: work a little bit every day than the very harmful 623 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 3: fifteen days and then do whatever you want for like 624 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 3: ten days and kind of losing go with friends and 625 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: party and stuff. The thing is, I always wanted to 626 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 3: succeed in in my sport. I always wanted to to 627 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 3: just become the best version of me, and uh, it 628 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 3: is small effort that you do every day that at 629 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 3: the end makes a really big difference compared to to 630 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 3: to other ones. Also, I always planned myself like on 631 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 3: a carrier point of view, something which is gonna last 632 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 3: long and not something which has to come now or 633 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 3: just tomorrow. So I think this way of thinking for me, 634 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: because I was not the best amateur player when I 635 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 3: was young, took me a lot of took me away, 636 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 3: a lot of weight and expectations, and I always felt 637 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 3: like I had time to build that carrier. But at 638 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 3: the same time I was working a lot for for 639 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: several several years. 640 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 2: Is it hard when you? I mean, I think you 641 00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 2: you sound like. 642 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: You are a fairly honest evaluation of kind of yourself 643 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: and your game. And I think there are a lot 644 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: of players and a lot of young players out there listening. 645 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: I think it's important to be honest with yourself and 646 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: to say listen, Okay, I don't necessarily have some of 647 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: the tools that some other players have, but that doesn't 648 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: mean that I can't still have a really great career 649 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: because I'm going to have to do these things because 650 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: I don't have maybe the distance of someone like a 651 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: Rory McElroy. I don't maybe have the putting stroke of 652 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: someone that putts lights out. So do you feel like 653 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: the fact that when you turned pro that you weren't 654 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: higher ranked, that you weren't turning pro with more kind 655 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: of buzz and fanfare. Do you think that maybe helped 656 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: you because you knew you had to work extra hard 657 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: to get to that next level. 658 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 659 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 3: I always like to be the underdog because when I 660 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 3: play with people which are better than me, I want 661 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 3: to bid them so bad. So by wanting to to 662 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 3: beat them so bad makes me be a better player. 663 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 3: I work harder. I try to to to reduce that gap. 664 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 3: And this is why I dreamed about America so much, 665 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 3: because tomorrow, let's say, if I go on the golf course, 666 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to have like guys playing with me who 667 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 3: want majors, who want PG Tours, who made Ryder Cups 668 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 3: and stuff like this, and getting out there and get 669 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 3: my eyes kicked a lot I will enjoy. I will 670 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 3: enjoy that a lot. I mean, when you're home and 671 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 3: you play with young guns from your golf club and 672 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 3: you beat them it's it's always fun, but this is 673 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 3: not where where you learn. The learning process is failure. 674 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 3: Like if you fail a lot, you learn a lot. 675 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 3: And getting your house kicked is a bad feeling, but 676 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 3: it's pretty good for my game. 677 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 1: Lastly, how much are you looking forward to your first 678 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: real not the co sanctioned one, but when you go 679 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: back to a real deep world tour event, being able 680 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: to walk onto that driving range as a winner on 681 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. I mean, it's gotta just go. It's 682 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: going to be a really cool because you know you. 683 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, when somebody wins on the PGA Tour that 684 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: plays full time in Europe, when they come back to Europe, 685 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: you look at them differently and you see them differently, right, 686 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, he's won in America now, I mean 687 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: that that's. 688 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 2: That's pretty good. You're going to be one of those guys. Now. 689 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 1: It must be really exciting for you to think about 690 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: when you go back that everybody's going to be like 691 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 1: you made it. You you came from where we came from, 692 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: and you made. 693 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 3: It to be. To be fair, it's it's really big 694 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 3: for for me getting all the respect from players. Guys, 695 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 3: they they know how how tough it is on every 696 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 3: tournaments we've played, so every time someone comes to me 697 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 3: and say congrats, it's it's massive for me because they 698 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 3: know how hard it was to get there. Some of 699 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 3: my friends on me, like in Frenzy was quite might 700 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 3: for a few days. Everybody was so happy for me, 701 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 3: and I had not the chance to go back in 702 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 3: my hometown and see all these people also back on 703 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 3: tour and chair some moments with the other French players. 704 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's going to be pretty especial 705 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 3: going back to Europe, and for sure we'd be later 706 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 3: this season after the FedEx, but it would be it 707 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 3: would be awesome time to share with them. 708 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just really excited to watch kind of what 709 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: you do because I really do think that this is 710 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: going to be a springboard for your career. And I'm 711 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to say it now, I am going to 712 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: be absolutely shocked if you are not one of the 713 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: players playing against the United States in beth Page at 714 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup and the next time we do it, 715 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: because I think you've got the type of game to 716 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: do it, and I'm excited to see what you could do. 717 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: Just going to put this out there when when you 718 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: asked if if you could come up and practice, there 719 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: are ulterior motives for me allowing this. You are from Bordeaux. 720 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm just going to put that out there. Now you 721 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: are from Bordeaux. They make a good red wine. The 722 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: guy on this side of the table is a fan 723 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: of good red wine. So you are always welcome back anytime. 724 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 2: Just bring gifts. 725 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem, And next time i'd come, I will 726 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 3: bring some good vodolad the wine and we would enjoy 727 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 3: it together for sure. 728 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, Thanks for taking the time, 729 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: Thanks to clut So really cool talk there with a 730 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: player that listen. At the start of this year, you 731 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: have no idea what your first year on the PGA 732 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: Tour is going to be. But to get a win early, 733 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: I think that is going to set Matthew up in 734 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: a very very different mindset than maybe he had at 735 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: the start of the year, because now he will he's 736 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: a good enough player to where he will get in 737 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: contention in some more tournaments. And if you've won one 738 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: before already this year, you've got to think, hey, it 739 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: can be me again this week. But a cool story 740 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: and one of those guys that We're going to see 741 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: this right, We're going to see the top ten best 742 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 1: players off a DP world every year get full cards 743 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour, and it's going to be very 744 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: very interesting to see what those players do it. Matthew 745 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: has taken massive advantage of it and really cool talk, 746 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see what he does in twenty 747 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: twenty four. Rate review, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. 748 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: Son of a Butcher comes to you every Wednesday. We 749 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: will see you next week.