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Our purpose reveal 21 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening 22 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: in women's basketball right now, now is what we've been trying. 23 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 4: To get to for almost thirty years. 24 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: From the stadiums where athletes break barriers and set records. 25 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,279 Speaker 3: Kayman Clark broke the all time single game assist record. 26 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: This is crazy for rookies to be doing. 27 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 3: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms 28 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: and the community we create. And each episode we'll sit 29 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at 30 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 3: the core of it all, how we see one issue 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports. 32 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: I'm your host, Carrie Champion. Hey, everybody, Welcome to Naked Sports. 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: I'm Carrie Champion. So I have to do a little 34 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: housekeeping before we really dive into the podcast. In today's podcast, 35 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: trust me, is going to be entertaining. I'm going to 36 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: get into a few things. I gotta do the housekeeping 37 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: on my Hill Harper episode because a few of the 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: clips went viral and you all have a lot to 39 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: say about what Hill Harper had to say. In fact, 40 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: you all said Hill Harper sounds like Kevin Samuels, who 41 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: is no longer in this universe with us. Meanwhile, I 42 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: want to tell you to subscribe to my YouTube page, 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: because not only can you listen to the podcast, which 44 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: you're probably doing right now, you can physically watch it 45 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: on my YouTube page, which is It's Carrie Champion, or 46 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: as simple as can be, go to YouTube, type in 47 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 3: my name and my channel will pop up and you 48 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: will be able to see the actual podcast that you're 49 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: listening to. I have to remind you to do that, 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 3: but I want to go back to a couple of 51 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: weeks ago, and for those of you who have followed 52 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: us for four seasons, four seasons, you know that this season, 53 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: the fourth season, we changed the title. We revamped it 54 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: to Naked Sports because we wanted to make sure that 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 3: you knew we all were including sports. In a while ago, 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: my good friend Hill Harper said, I want to come 57 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: on the podcast. I said absolutely, and we got into 58 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: the conversation that never fails on social media. It is 59 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: about men versus women in dating. What's wrong with women? 60 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: What's wrong with men? Everyone has their own take on this. 61 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: It drives me absolutely insane because this will forever be 62 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: the conversation. However, that's me stumping my feet to get 63 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 3: into the juiciness of it all. Hill Harper has a book. 64 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: It was a New York Times bestseller and it was 65 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: called The Conversation and it was about men and women 66 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 3: in dating and what worked and what didn't work. And 67 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: I was able to take a few of his comments 68 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: and I made them, you know, just clips so you 69 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: can pay attention to the podcast, just some clickbait if 70 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: you will. And one of the things that really, I 71 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: don't know, for whatever reasons, triggered people was when he 72 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: said women in no, you know, I'm paraphrasing, women are 73 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: delusional when they're dating. They want a mixture between Denzel Washington, 74 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 3: Barack Obama, and Jesus. And then that sent the Internet 75 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: in a buzz suggesting that women want the impossible and 76 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: it's not there, suggesting that women have these standards that 77 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: they don't even live up to, but they require their 78 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: man to have those standards. Case in point, they want 79 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: a man who makes six figures and they don't. They 80 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 3: want a man who looks a certain way and they don't. 81 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: They want a man to be all of the things 82 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: and they are not. And I don't necessarily know how 83 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: true that is, right, That's just something that I hear 84 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: a lot of And the comments really. We have five 85 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: hundred plus comments, and a lot of them are men 86 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 3: talking about how delusional women are. And I think it's wild, 87 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 3: I really really do. So take a listen to what 88 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: Hill Harper said and then I'll read some of the comments. 89 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: I did a test or an experiment. 90 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: The name of the book is Please, It's. 91 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 4: Called The Conversation. 92 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 5: I had them do almost identical profile piece about the 93 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 5: man that they saw themselves with and who they wanted 94 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 5: to be with. Fascinating, is fascinating. It was fascinating, and 95 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 5: you want to know what the results were. And then 96 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 5: you ask them, who do you want to be with? 97 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 5: They say, I'm sure you've heard this term. I want 98 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 5: to be with a man who's equally yoked, or I 99 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 5: want to be with my equal, I want to be 100 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 5: that someone who's on my level. 101 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 4: You know those types of terms. 102 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 5: So many of them would say some version already exact. 103 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 4: And then you know what. You know what came out? 104 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 5: Is it when you compared them, oh, stop watch this 105 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 5: to what they wrote about the man. They would say, 106 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 5: they want something on their level, but this man was 107 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 5: here nothing like their level. Five percent of the women 108 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 5: are trying to date. 109 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 4: Two percent of the men five percent of the men. 110 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 3: Okay. 111 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 5: In other words, what I mean by that is you 112 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 5: understand what I'm saying. In other words, they didn't. They 113 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 5: didn't describe over here a man that has the same 114 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 5: depth they have. They didn't describe a man over here 115 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 5: that has the same job, income earning, same type of house, 116 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 5: same type of desire. 117 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: Da da da. 118 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 5: You know, two weeks out of the year, vacations, da 119 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 5: da da. They described a combination between Barack Obama, Denzel Washington, 120 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 5: and and Jesus. 121 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: So here are some of the comments after I posted. 122 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: That sounds very similar to something Kevin Samuels once said. 123 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: Another comment, The crazy part is when many women get 124 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: a man, he still ain't enough. Tom Brady has seven 125 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 3: rings and he's worth four hundred million dollars, but yet 126 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 3: she ended up with a trainer, referring to his ex 127 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: wife Giselle the supermodel. Needless to say, my comments are 128 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: a battlefield. Needless to say, but there is this prevailing 129 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: thought that women are never satisfied. They can have a 130 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: good man and they're still aren't satisfied. And when I 131 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 3: asked him what men what their issue was, it was 132 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: the fact that they all wanted to date someone who 133 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: looked like Beyonce. Uh, and they could be Truck or Sam. 134 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: His quote, not mine. But they felt like they deserved 135 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: the baddest baddy baddie on the streets. And I'd like 136 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: to raise my hand and give a and give a 137 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: small little antidote. I agree with what Hill said to 138 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: a certain degree. And I also agree what he said 139 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: about men to a certain degree. What about inverse? 140 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 5: The inverse is different. So what we're found in the 141 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 5: inverse was there was a little bit more of a 142 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 5: physicality issue with men. So there were ninety five percent 143 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 5: of the men were trying to date five percent of women, 144 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 5: but their criteria was a little different. In other words, 145 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 5: you know, dudes thought they were going to date, you know, 146 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 5: somebody who looked like Beyonce. When they look like Truck 147 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 5: of Sam, it's like Truck of Sam. You ain't damn Beyonce, 148 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 5: you know, you know, I know, I know, I mean, 149 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 5: you know they see jay Z and be like, well, 150 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 5: he don't look as good as her, So. 151 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: How that happen? But you ain't jay Z? 152 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 5: Yeah right, so yeah, you know, brother who like that 153 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,559 Speaker 5: can get here, but you got to be jay Z first. 154 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: You can't. 155 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 5: You're not gonna get there. 156 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: You know, you all have said you're breaking the microphone Sam, 157 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: so that I think this is fun stuff to talk about, 158 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: but it's about it's about. 159 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 5: Being honest and looking in the mirror. But I think 160 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 5: that we get away from and all jokes aside. I mean, 161 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 5: that's that's real what I talked about, But that's not 162 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 5: really that's all the fluff stuff that's kind of fun 163 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 5: to talk about the real issue is the heart. 164 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: Can we open up our heart to each other and 165 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 4: really love each other? 166 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 5: And there's so much historical trauma and hurt yes, and 167 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 5: pain yes, that it's very difficult to get past opening up. 168 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: I know a man, older man. I tried to introduce 169 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: him to one of my girlfriends. She was the same 170 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 3: age as him. Listen to the story. He is well, 171 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 3: not well, but he's an older older man, sixty some 172 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 3: eighty years old. And I had a girlfriend like my 173 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: big siss. She's sixty some years old, but she's a 174 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 3: battie and she looks great. And I remember saying, I 175 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 3: found someone perfect for you, and you know what, this 176 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 3: man told me she was too old for him. He 177 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 3: is sixty plus years old and he said this sixty 178 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 3: plus year old woman was too old for him. Who's delusional? 179 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 3: Who is delusional? I'm a woman, so I'm biased, but 180 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: I would like to say this. This men versus women 181 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: conversation so intense, and so what I'm going to do 182 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: is I'm going to in the next few weeks gather 183 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: a random guide and a random girl who have no 184 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: problem discussing this. Perhaps they're single, perhaps they're not, but 185 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: I want to talk about this back and forth with relationships. 186 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: It's insane. Men truly feel and I'm talking for the 187 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: culture and the community. You men feel women are delusional. 188 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: You men think women are delusional, and I think men 189 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: are crazy. But of course I'm a woman. I'm going 190 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 3: to think that. And yes, I'm going to have a list. 191 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 3: I have a checklist. I want you to have this. 192 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 3: I want you to have that. I want you to 193 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: have this because I have this, that and that. That's 194 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: why I'm not going to ask for anything crazy. I'm 195 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 3: going to say, meet me where I am and women, 196 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 3: we should do the same. I'll tell you this. Though 197 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: they got really mad at my girl, Jamel Hill, because 198 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: Jamel jumped in here and said she agreed with Hill. 199 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 3: That's a whole nother story. Shout out to my girl Jay. 200 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 3: We're gonna take a quick break because we have to 201 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 3: pay some bills. We'll be right back in just a 202 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 3: few moments. Let the podcast begin. I am going to 203 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 3: talk about two big stories, at least in my opinion, 204 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: in sports. I do believe that there's always beef when 205 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: men and women talk about dating. And I don't know 206 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: why there is so much beef. I wish we all 207 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 3: could just be vulnerable and love one another. That'd be 208 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 3: a great world we live in. And speaking of being 209 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 3: vulnerable and loving one another, and I have to talk 210 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: about the story. I hope it's not the story of 211 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: the year. I really truly hope it's not like Kendrick 212 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 3: versus Drake. But I am talking Lebron versus steven A. 213 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 3: I I cannot believe what I am hearing, reading and 214 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: watching in real time. And I'll tell you this because 215 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 3: I'm old school. When I was a host of First 216 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 3: Take from twenty twelve to twenty fifteen, I truly honestly 217 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 3: knew that stephen A did not like Lebron. Lebron did 218 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: not like that show. He did not like steven A. 219 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 3: He did not like Ski, He did not like Skip. 220 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: Steven A has said as much on his podcast, but 221 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: there was always a level of professionalism I felt was respected. 222 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 3: Maybe not, who knows, but you'd look small recap. You 223 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: all know that just about maybe three weeks ago, cameras 224 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: called Lebron walking up to stephen A and saying something 225 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: very emphatically. We didn't know what it was, but we 226 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 3: could read lips and we could basically ascertain what they 227 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: were talking about. Lebron said, basically, keep my son's name 228 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: out of your mouth, walked away third quarter Lakers Knicks game. 229 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: Steven A sitting court side, walked up to him, walked off. 230 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 3: The next day, steven A addresses it on the show, 231 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: and then that was it, nothing less, nothing more, nothing less. 232 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: Steven A addresses it, he says how he feels. Lebron 233 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 3: doesn't respond, but we know he can hear and see 234 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: what people are thinking. Steven A then appears on a 235 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: series of podcasts talking about what went down, his podcast 236 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 3: and others. I don't remember the names. I'm just giving 237 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: you all a brief recap. So then out of nowhere, 238 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 3: which I was surprised to see, I'm at work yesterday 239 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: and I look up and I'm watching ESPN, and I 240 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: see Lebron in studio in studio Pat McAfee's studio in Indianapolis, 241 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, what is what? Why are you in studio? 242 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: What are we discussing? There were a couple of things. 243 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: He had a podcast dropping, he's promoting his podcast. Lakers 244 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: were playing, obviously Indiana Pacers that night, and then he 245 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: addressed steven A on ESPN while steven A was on 246 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 3: air at the same time, Wild Wild, I tell you, 247 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 3: and he says the following Take a listen. 248 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 6: It started off with I didn't want to address it. 249 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 6: I didn't want to address it. I wasn't going to 250 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 6: address it, but since the video came out, I feel 251 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 6: the need to address it. If there's one person that 252 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 6: couldn't wait to the video to drop so you can 253 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 6: address it, is you're like seriously and like another he 254 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 6: completely like missed the whole point. The whole point. Never 255 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 6: am I never would I ever not allow people to 256 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 6: talk about the sport, criticize players about what they do 257 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 6: on the court. 258 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: That is your job. 259 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 7: Let me just put to bed a couple of things 260 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 7: that have been reported that are false. People was talking 261 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 7: about Lebron called me out my name or somebody else 262 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 7: saw somebody said he called me a bitch. Somebody said 263 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 7: he called me a punk, and all this, None of 264 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 7: that is true. 265 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: He was fiery. 266 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 7: He approached me during the game and he said, stop 267 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 7: effing with my son. That's my fing son. Stop efing 268 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 7: with my son. I said, what nah nah nah man, 269 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 7: straight up man a man, real talk, stop effing with 270 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 7: my son. And I saw how furious he was. I said, 271 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 7: we can talked about Nah that f that stop effing 272 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 7: with my son. That's my son, that's my son. I said, 273 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 7: all right, fine, and he walked away. That's all he said. 274 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: So there you go. He essentially said, steven A is 275 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: happy that he has this moment that Lebron is discussing him, 276 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: and he's also giddy about what this means for him. 277 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 3: Steven A replies and says, listen, this is the part 278 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: that the Internet left off. He simply said, I would 279 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: have swung on him if he would have touched me. 280 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: I probably would have got my ass beat paraphrasing, but 281 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: I would have swung on him. Internet goes wild, goes wild, 282 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: goes wild. Steven A says, you all leave out the 283 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: best part. I know I probably would have lost the fight, 284 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: but that's not the point. Stephen A. You understand, this 285 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: is the Internet. No one needs contexts, they need clickbait. 286 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: They need to go out of their way to make 287 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 3: a point. Steven A is like, I know I wouldn't 288 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: have won. That man is six nine two fifty. I 289 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: know I wouldn't have. And then the next thing I know, 290 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,239 Speaker 3: after Lebron plays this game game winner, by the way, congrats, 291 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 3: he goes on his social media. Now this is so ridiculous, 292 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: I sound like, he says, she say. He goes on 293 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: his social media page and he posts a clip, that 294 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: infamous clip of stephen A boxing with a trainer. If 295 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: you've seen the clip, you know it's l L exclamation exclamation, lol. 296 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 3: Shout out to steven A, my ex coworker. I ain't 297 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 3: talking bad about you, but it's a funny clip. I mean, 298 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: it's just ridiculous. And so I immediately raced to the comments, 299 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: like I'm sure you did. Which at the moment this morning, 300 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: before I filmed this podcast, the comments were at over 301 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: a thousand. I'm sure they've far exceeded a thousand, one 302 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: and a half million likes. One of my comments was 303 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: it's about to be some. I knew soon as Lebron 304 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 3: posted that video of Steven A boxing with his trainer. 305 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: I was like, it's about to be some. You know 306 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: why it's about to be some because the eagles are 307 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: at work. And I'm gonna say this. I am not 308 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: a man, but what I do know is that the 309 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: eagles are at work. And so this morning I'm having 310 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: a deep conversation with my guys Charlemagne of God. We 311 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 3: often call each other just to argue. Iron sharpens iron, 312 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: and I was like, I'd like to discuss this. What 313 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 3: do you think. He was like, Lebron looks crazy, and 314 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: I was like, they both look crazy, not just Lebron, 315 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 3: they both look crazy. He was like, nope, nope, nope. 316 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: Lebron is the bigger star, so this looks wild. And 317 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: he likened it to Kendrick versus Drake, and I said, wait, hole, ho, hole, 318 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 3: that's not necessarily the case here. Those are two different 319 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 3: types of dynamics. It's not to me exactly Kendrick versus Drake, 320 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 3: but I do see the parallels Drake being the bigger star, 321 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 3: Lebron being the bigger star. Kendrick mining his business, not 322 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 3: necessarily coming out of his character, but coming out of 323 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 3: his character because we don't normally see Kendrick do this 324 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 3: type of battle rap, but we know he has it 325 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 3: in him. It's more thought provoking. It is a Pulitzer 326 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 3: Prize winning rap. And then in my mind and I'm like, 327 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: that's not the equivalent here though. It just isn't because 328 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: Steven A is known for doing exactly what he's doing 329 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 3: right now. He has, especially when I was on first Take. 330 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: He will threaten an athlete. He will say, you don't 331 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: want me to put your business out in the street. 332 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 3: He will talk to you, he will criticize. He is 333 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 3: unapologetic about what he does. And I truly, and I 334 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: want to say this for the record, I believe Stephen 335 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 3: A in terms of on your personalities is one of 336 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 3: the best that we've ever seen do it, which is 337 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 3: why he makes a hundred million dollars And in fact, 338 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 3: this entire incident is validating that hundred million dollar contract. 339 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 3: People pay attention, people listen, we're in a choke hold. Now. 340 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 3: What was uncharacteristic was Lebron's response. So that's why I 341 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: don't feel like the Kendrick versus Drake is equivalent. It's 342 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 3: not on par because if we're being honest, Lebron can 343 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 3: play both parts. He could be Kindrick, he could be Drake. 344 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 3: We find ourselves now asking is all of this worth it? 345 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 3: With his veil threats of revealing more information about Lebron 346 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 3: than any of us should really know unless you're really 347 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: inside the business. He mentions Lebron not going to Duwayne's 348 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame ceremony. He talks about Lebron not going 349 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 3: to Kobe's funeral. I take issue with that for a 350 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: few reasons. I know for a fact Lebron was devastated 351 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 3: that Kobe passed away. Now, whether he went to the funeral, 352 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 3: I was confused because there were maybe there was a 353 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: private one that wasn't for the public. But I remember 354 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: seeing Lebron in the arena Staple Center, not Crypto for 355 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 3: me in the arena when they had that memorial service, 356 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, Okay, that was a way to show respect. 357 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 3: I'm sitting right next to like, I'm two rows in, 358 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: I'm with Paul, sitting next to Paul Pierce, and then 359 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 3: next to me is j Lo and a Rod, and 360 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: then next to me. On the other side, literally is 361 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 3: Adam the commissioner, and then next to Adam was Genie 362 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: Buss and that entire row is in tears. And then 363 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: you could see the Lakers the team over here in 364 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 3: this section, And in my mind, I'm thinking, well, what 365 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 3: is stephen A talking about? Must be something else. But 366 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 3: here's my issue. Why are we even bringing that up? 367 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: If your issue is just with lebron why are we 368 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: bringing in Kobe's funeral? And why are we talking about 369 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 3: Dwayne Wade? Eagles are crazy? You men are crazy. 370 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 8: You men are crazy. 371 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 3: You both are taking all of your power to argue 372 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: about who is more petty. I don't get it. This 373 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 3: is exactly why there are wars in America. They're exactly 374 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: why a war in the world, if you will. I 375 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 3: don't understand why it's gotten to this issue. Stephen A 376 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 3: has said on air over and over again the only 377 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 3: reason why he was criticizing Bronnie was because as a father, 378 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: as a father. But this has gone beyond him being 379 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: a father. This isn't about Lebron being a father now, 380 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 3: It's about whether or not he's a good teammate, whether 381 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 3: or not he's selfish, whether or not he is doing 382 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 3: dirt behind everyone's back, whether or not he's duplicitive. It's 383 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 3: now gone beyond the Bronni criticism into personal life that 384 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 3: should be no one's business, because I tell you this, 385 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: I've worked in this business long enough. All of us 386 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 3: have secrets, all of us have things we do not 387 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: want anybody to know about. And the argument that I 388 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: was having with Charlemagne was quite simply, Carrie, everybody doesn't 389 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: know ABC and D about Lebron, and you are in 390 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: a very insider group where you think this isn't new news. 391 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: But the public at large views Lebron a certain way 392 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: and they cannot believe this is happening. I said, I disagree. 393 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 3: He said, stephen A is always been the bad guy. 394 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: Lebron is stooping to his level, for lack of a 395 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 3: better term, And I said, no, I disagree. What say you? 396 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 3: I believe Lebron has always been a bad guy. I 397 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: believe it started when he left Cleveland. They burned his jerseys, 398 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 3: the city didn't want him back. He went to Miami, 399 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: he was loved. He finally got a championship, but he 400 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 3: was criticized, villified. Tody wasn't anything he wasn't the king. 401 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: He was weak. People talked about his inability to really 402 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: be the man on the court. He's always been the 403 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 3: problem until he started winning. And even when he won, 404 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 3: people still criticized him because he would go to Twitter 405 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 3: and they say he'd do these passive aggressive tweets and 406 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 3: people didn't want to hear about it. I don't have 407 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 3: a short memory or a great memory, but I do 408 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 3: remember the fact that people did not love Lebron. Now, 409 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 3: it was a different type of vitriol as opposed to 410 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: how people feel about stephen A. Stephen A by profession 411 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 3: is an analyst. He critiques, he criticizes. He's used to 412 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: the smoke. He's used to people being mad at him. 413 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 3: You're right, yes, he is used to being a bad guy. 414 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 3: But I don't think everybody loves Lebron. I think there 415 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: are two reasons why people feel a way about Lebron. Yes, 416 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: there is a segment of society that loves him and 417 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: says that he's the goat. But there are others who say, no, 418 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 3: Michael Jordan is So that's why I can't fool with you, Lebron. 419 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: Or no you try to dethrow on Kobe Kobe's my 420 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: favorite favorite, so I can't fool with you, Lebron. I 421 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 3: never feel as if Lebron is loved. What we're seeing 422 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: now though, two men, in my humble opinion, with great power, 423 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 3: great resources, great access, who are battling each other because 424 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: they are very similar than they are separate. They are 425 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: more like than they are different. And I I'm not 426 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 3: in the business of telling nobody's business, but I am 427 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: in the business of saying whatever is going on is 428 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: because they're more alike than they are different. They both 429 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 3: know that they have power, they both know that they 430 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 3: have range and a platform, and they both know that 431 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 3: they have leverage. I am I don't want to see 432 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 3: them air each other's dirty laundry. I don't want to 433 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: hear Lebron say anything about steven A's personal life and 434 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 3: vice versa. Nobody wins when we are in a mud fight. 435 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 3: When they start slinging mud, everybody gets dirty. I don't 436 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 3: want to hear it. 437 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 9: Now. 438 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 3: The latest Stephen a Thursday Morning goes on his show, 439 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: which we all knew he would do, and he gave 440 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 3: twenty minutes of ether for Lebron James take a listen. 441 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 7: Lebron James won on national television yesterday and lied. He 442 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 7: said that I have no problem with you talking about 443 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 7: the game. What did I say about Bronnie James other 444 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 7: than at the time. 445 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: He wasn't ready. That was it. I said nothing else. 446 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: So if that's the issue. 447 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 7: And I pointed to Lebron James and the fact that 448 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 7: you've circumvented a meritocracy just to get your wish at 449 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 7: the expense of the credibility of the league. In a 450 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 7: lot of people's eyes, that's talking about you, that's not 451 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 7: talking about your son. And then he goes about the 452 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 7: business of taking it a step further. 453 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: First of all, let's understand. 454 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 7: Something to the viewing public in America and beyond. 455 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: This was planned. 456 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 7: Rich Paul was on Pat McAfee's show about ten days 457 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 7: earli or whatever. Rich Paul, for everybody that knows, is 458 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 7: the man, the founder of Clutch Sports. 459 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: He's a strategic thinker. He didn't go there by accident. 460 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 7: You're there talking with Pat McAfee and the next thing 461 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 7: you know, within two weeks after obviously a negotiation took place, 462 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 7: Lebron James is on it. I know that the man 463 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 7: I am today is not the man that I was 464 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 7: a decade ago physically or beyond. 465 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: I can tell you that. So we get that out 466 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: the way. Why do I bring that up? 467 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 7: Because that's how that's how petty you've become. You're Lebron James, 468 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 7: You that butt hurt over the things that I'm saying 469 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 7: that you would post that video. When does Lebron Jay 470 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 7: ever done something like that? But suddenly you're doing that. 471 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 7: As it pertains to me, this man is in his feelings. 472 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 7: I wonder why could it be because I don't believe 473 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 7: you the goat? Because I'll never believe you the goat 474 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 7: because I have you number two at all times? Do 475 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 7: I have to have ESPN and first take put up 476 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 7: the ticket tape right now and say, Yo, could. 477 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: You put that up there please? 478 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 7: Great father, the great husband, great philanthropists, great businessman, great director, 479 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 7: great producer, great hosts, great basketball player, great leader. I mean, 480 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 7: my god, I have done everything but put diapers in 481 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 7: a bib on this brother. I suggest that he'd be 482 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 7: happy with the things that I haven't brought up. I 483 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 7: never brought up really and never really discussed why you 484 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 7: were not at Kobe Bryant's memorial service. 485 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: I never really brought up. 486 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 7: With disgust why you did not attend Dwayne Wade's Hall 487 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 7: of Fame induction when that man was directly responsible for 488 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 7: you capturing a championship for the first time in your career. 489 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: I brought up none of that. 490 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 7: I didn't bring up the fact that even though when 491 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 7: people had asked, you had alluded to what had happened 492 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 7: tragically to your son and thank god he's okay with 493 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 7: his heart condition. 494 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: I didn't bring up the. 495 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 7: Fact that even though you couldn't go to the Hall 496 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 7: of Fame induction of the Wayne Wade weeks later, weeks earlier, 497 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 7: you were out of the country on business. I didn't 498 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,239 Speaker 7: bring that up. That's your personal business, okay. But the 499 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 7: fact is you wasn't at the Hall of Fame induction 500 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 7: of a brother that's going to drastically assist to you 501 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 7: being a Hall of Famer because he helped you become 502 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 7: the champion that you were and he was a big 503 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 7: brother to you. I brought up none of these things. 504 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 7: I brought up none of these things. But Lebron James, 505 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 7: at the end of the day, wants to come at me. 506 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 3: No bueno, No bueno. That's all I have to say 507 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 3: is no bueno. I want to be careful what I 508 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: say next, because it is coming from a place of love. 509 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: But there is not one human being on the planet 510 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 3: that doesn't have an insecurity and there's also not one 511 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 3: human being on the planet that wants there is insecurities 512 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 3: aired out. And while they'll both that they're not insecure, 513 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: this cannot end well for anybody. I don't care who 514 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: has more to lose. They both have something to lose. 515 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 3: Steven A, hold on to that litte hundred million dollar contract. 516 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: Don't get in no nonsense for no reason. And it's 517 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 3: not little as big, but they don't get in this nonsense. 518 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: Don't do it, lebron. Your legacy is here. We know 519 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 3: who you are. You've done some amazing things. There is 520 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 3: a generation of people who will say you are the 521 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: greatest player of all time. This does not need to 522 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 3: be an asterisk on your legacy. This needs to be 523 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: a footnote on what happened here. It is not worth it. 524 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 3: You said your piece, keep my son's name out of 525 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 3: your mouth. Yes, your job is to critique, but you've 526 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: gone beyond that. And dare I say, as steven A 527 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 3: calls Lebron a liar, and lebron calls Stephen A a 528 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 3: liar and all these things. Dare I say? Everybody ain't 529 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: telling the truth. No one's above this. Meanwhile, the internet 530 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 3: is in a choke hold. We love to see the drama. 531 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 3: We love it, and you should not fulfill that dream 532 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: for us because it's not necessary. Two great black men 533 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 3: have done some amazing things. You both are trailblazers in 534 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 3: your own way. I don't want to see this. It 535 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 3: ain't worth it. It truly isn't worth it. Call it 536 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: a truce, all right, man, cool handle it however you 537 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 3: want to handle it. I don't know. Fight privately, but 538 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: don't take this time. We don't deserve this. We don't 539 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: need to know anybody's business. I don't want to know 540 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: anybody's dirty secrets. And I'm pretty sure there are a 541 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: ton of people out there who disagree with me. But 542 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 3: I can tell you this. Nobody is perfect, and neither 543 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 3: one of them want they in the streets, nobody. We're 544 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 3: gonna take a quick break because we have to pay 545 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 3: some bills. We'll be right back in just a few moments. 546 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 3: Speaking about being in these streets, I'm gonna do a 547 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: transition Have you guys heard that the Dodgers are going 548 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 3: to the White House. They've accepted their invitation as World 549 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: Series champion, they have accepted the invitation to visit the 550 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 3: White House and President Donald Trump. Let's take a listen 551 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 3: to the Dodger Heads podcast. 552 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 8: The Dodgers have accepted an invite to the White House. 553 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 8: There was some debate over the last few days about 554 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 8: whether or not they were going to accept or reject. 555 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 8: For those unfamiliar, it is tradition across most major sports 556 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 8: that when a team wins a championship, they are invited 557 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 8: to the White House. Not everybody necessarily has to go. 558 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 8: Just because you're a Dodger or you won the World 559 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 8: Series doesn't mean you have to go, but you're at 560 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 8: least invited. Now with Donald Trump in office, there have 561 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 8: been questions about how this would go. As has been mentioned, 562 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 8: there was the Jackie Robinson fiasco that Jeff Passon became 563 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 8: passionate about on social media. Rightfully so, which has been rectified. 564 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 8: I guess in the end, of course, how they got 565 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 8: the it being rectified was kind of a disaster. But 566 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 8: the question here is the Dodgers and how they handled, 567 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 8: should handle will handle this whole White House thing. 568 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 3: So the Dodgers have accepted the invitation to appear at 569 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: the White House on behalf of President Trump and his administration. 570 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 3: And I don't need to explain to anyone who is 571 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 3: listening to this podcast and or watching this podcast what 572 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 3: that means. That means, I guess they. I don't know they. 573 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 3: It means that they approve of this president. As you know, 574 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: you can say, we don't want to go, we can go. 575 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 3: This president has been very divisive. And I'm trying to 576 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 3: find the right words because I don't want to speak 577 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 3: on behalf of the Dodgers, but this president has been 578 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 3: very divisive. He has immediately come into office and decided 579 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 3: that he was going to deport immigrants, hundreds of thousands 580 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 3: of them, as he says, he has gotten rid of 581 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 3: DEI programs in the government. He has fired thousands of 582 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: government employees for lack of a better word, He's been very, 583 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 3: very aggressive towards black and brown people. Baseball by and 584 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 3: large has been considered America's favorite pastime, largely a sport 585 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 3: enjoyed by white people. The players of baseball, though, are brown, 586 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: primarily brown if you ask me, and white, and of 587 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 3: course there are black players as well, but brown players, minorities, 588 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 3: not the mainstream. That to me is the makeup of 589 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 3: the Dodgers team. Yes, we have a lot of white players, 590 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 3: traditionally white players, but if you look down that roster 591 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,239 Speaker 3: and you look at those names, and you look at 592 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 3: the origin of these people, it's a lot of black 593 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: and brown and others in baseball. I would imagine that 594 00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 3: this current president's policies have affected friends and family members 595 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: of that team. And while that has nothing to do 596 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 3: with them visiting the White House, I'm really curious about 597 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 3: how many players were on board with this, or if, 598 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 3: in fact the Dodgers decided to go and just be 599 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 3: quiet because they don't want any smoke and they don't 600 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 3: want to deal with the drama of it all. We 601 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 3: just want to show up. We're gonna go there, We're 602 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 3: gonna do it. So be it now, mind you. They 603 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 3: went to the White House when Biden was the president 604 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 3: and they won the World Series, I believe in twenty 605 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 3: twenty one, and they went and it was no problem. 606 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 3: But they also had been told or asked would they 607 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: go again when Trump was in his first presidency, and 608 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 3: they said they would not That was the stance then 609 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 3: that they would not attend. That was Dave Roberts, the 610 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 3: manager of the Dodger, saying when Trump was in office, 611 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: they would not attend if invited. They did attend for Biden, 612 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 3: and now they will attend for Trump. There was a 613 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 3: very short conversation. You heard that announcement. It was real quick. 614 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 3: We decided to go, and that is it. This is 615 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 3: a job we're going to do. They're not going to 616 00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 3: get into anything else. 617 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 5: Now. 618 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 3: I want to give you some history because I do 619 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 3: find it really interesting that they are attending, considering the 620 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 3: makeup of that roster and also where we are in 621 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 3: this country. And I'm under the belief that saying they're 622 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 3: not going to go would give them more unwanted attention. 623 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 3: And they just didn't want to deal with the pushback 624 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 3: from the Trump administration or people who are fans of 625 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 3: the Dodgers, because a lot of people love President Trump, 626 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 3: as you know, that's why he was elected. But the 627 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: history of the Dodgers, and I'll even go back to 628 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 3: the Brooklyn Dodgers with Jackie Robinson is really and I 629 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 3: don't want to say poetic, but it's really fascinating to 630 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 3: me that a team that integrated baseball with Jackie Robinson 631 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: and everything that Jackie Robinson stood for, has decided to 632 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 3: visit a White House when it seems like the President 633 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 3: and his administration is the antithesis of what every is 634 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 3: of what Jackie Robinson stood for. Just the other day, 635 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 3: we had learned that this current administration had scrubbed the 636 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 3: Jackie Robinson page from his military service from the dd 637 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 3: because they felt like he well, I'm not going to 638 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 3: say they felt like they said they didn't know. Take 639 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 3: a listen. 640 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 7: The Department of Defense says it mistakenly removed Jackie Robinson's 641 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 7: Army service from the department's website. 642 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 9: Robinson served in the Army in World War Two, just 643 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 9: prior to breaking baseball's color barrier. The page is now 644 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 9: back up. The Trump administration has ordered the removal of 645 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 9: so called DEI content. The Pentagon claims the pages were 646 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 9: mistakenly removed as part of that process. It claims a 647 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 9: similar mistake led to the removal of pages honoring Japanese 648 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 9: American service members, the Tuskegee Airmen, and the Navajo code talkers. 649 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 3: So, as we all know, Jackie Robinson, in his efforts 650 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 3: towards the military have been receive, but the DEI of 651 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 3: it all was supposed to remove any black or brown 652 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 3: people or anything that felt like it seemed like it 653 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 3: could be about representing marginalized citizens. And that's how Jackie 654 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 3: Robinson's page and his contributions to the military were scrubbed. 655 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 3: And then just weeks later, the Dodgers say they're going 656 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 3: to go and visit the White House in April. Distant 657 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 3: jive for me, and I had issue with it. I 658 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 3: just to me, when people tell me politics and sports 659 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 3: don't intersect, I have a hard time believing that we 660 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 3: have a president who has made it his mission to 661 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 3: remove any contributions from those who are black or brown 662 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 3: and women. Immediately, it's erasing contributions from those who have 663 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 3: built this country in every possible space. And I really 664 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: found it extremely disrespectful for to remove Jackie Robinson. This 665 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 3: man integrated baseball, he served his country, he did all 666 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 3: the things that he was supposed to do, and yet 667 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 3: and still he's a DEI problem in their eyes. And 668 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 3: then the team in which he integrated is now saying 669 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 3: some years later that we are now decades later, rather 670 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 3: that we are now going to go be in company 671 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 3: with the man who actually scrubbed Jackie Robinson in his 672 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 3: legacy from a website because he said he was DEI 673 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 3: or it fit the DEI requirements. What are we doing? 674 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 3: What are we doing? What are we doing? Yes, the 675 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 3: page is reinstalled, But if he wasn't Jackie Robinson, I 676 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 3: don't even know if it would be. And here's a 677 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 3: fun fact. While we like to think that Jackie Robinson 678 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,959 Speaker 3: was the very first to integrate baseball in a way 679 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 3: because he could, he could see fit. He would be 680 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 3: the guy, he could handle the racism, he would be 681 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 3: the guy on the team that could handle the way 682 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 3: he was treated, that's just not true. A lot about 683 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 3: Jackie Robinson, and shout out to my homegirl who did 684 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 3: an entire extensive peace on Jackie. A lot about Jackie Robinson. 685 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 3: We didn't know he was honorably discharged from the military, 686 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 3: but he was court martialed while he was there because 687 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 3: they wanted him to sit in the back of the bus. 688 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 3: And by this time the military had been integrated, and 689 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 3: he was like, I'm not sitting in the back of 690 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 3: the bus. There was a white woman on the bus. 691 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 3: And then they told him while he was at base 692 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 3: that he had to move to. The driver says, you 693 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 3: got to moved to the back of the bus. The 694 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 3: driver told you, gota moved to the back of the bus. 695 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 3: Jackie was like, Nah, I am a man, I am 696 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 3: a freeman. I am serving this country like every other 697 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 3: white man. I'm not moving to the back of the bus. 698 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 3: The bus driver, the military bus driver, calls police, their 699 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 3: version of military police. He was immediately court martialed. Obviously, 700 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 3: the charge got knocked down and he was discharged honorably discharged. 701 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 3: But come on, in his mind, now that's not right. 702 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 3: I am a man. He then later it was his 703 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 3: life ends up integrating baseball. But as he has said, 704 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 3: and if you read anything about this man, you'll understand 705 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 3: that was the most difficult time in his life. He 706 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 3: talked about how hard that was. For ten years, he 707 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 3: had to deal with some things that we would not 708 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 3: even understand. He couldn't eat with the rest of the team, 709 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 3: he couldn't show up with the rest of the team, 710 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 3: he couldn't sleep at the hotels with the rest of 711 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 3: the team. And they knew that this was what he 712 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 3: would have to deal with. He knew he would have 713 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 3: to deal with that, but yet and still he moved 714 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 3: and pressed in a world that did not acknowledge him, 715 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 3: and it grew old entiresome, and he would put up 716 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 3: fights whatever way he could. And I thought that was 717 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 3: wonderful to hear, because we're under the impression that his 718 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 3: non violent approach meant that he was just turning to 719 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 3: the other cheek every time somebody tried to disrespect him, 720 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 3: and they did not. But I do know that part 721 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 3: of his story is not celebrated more. And I do 722 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 3: know that part of his story that he was a 723 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 3: bit of a rebel rouser and knew that he was 724 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 3: a black man who had rights because he's a human being, 725 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 3: and they refused to acknowledge his youth, his humanity while 726 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 3: he was trying to do something great for this country, 727 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 3: really war on his spirit. And when it was all 728 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 3: said and done, when he had retired and he started 729 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 3: living his life as a regular citizen, he talked about 730 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 3: what bothered him the most and how he was so 731 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 3: upset with how men and women of color were being 732 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 3: treated in this country. And they tried to erase that 733 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 3: story by deleting his page and saying, oh my bad, 734 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 3: let me put that back up. Because all of that's there, 735 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 3: and here we are some decades later, and the Dodgers 736 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 3: have decided, knowing the history of who they are, one 737 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 3: of the first teams to integrate baseball, they have decided 738 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 3: to go and be in company with an administration that 739 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 3: refuses to acknowledge the accomplishments of black and brown people 740 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 3: to this very country that they help built. That just 741 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 3: doesn't sit well with me, and it brings me to 742 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 3: a larger issue of where we are in this country. 743 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 3: If we put our heads down and say no, I 744 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 3: don't want to pay attention, No this doesn't make sense, 745 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 3: No I don't want to be bothered. This will all 746 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 3: go away. We only have four more years. We are 747 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 3: in a world of trouble. We're in a world of 748 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 3: trouble if we think in four years this is going away, 749 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 3: because it is not. You don't have to boycott the 750 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 3: White House, Okay, Dodgers, and I'm talking to you. If 751 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 3: this is what you want to do, do it, have 752 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,720 Speaker 3: at it. You don't have to boycott the White House. 753 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 3: Please go take the visit, sit be in company, take 754 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 3: the picture, get it out of the way so you 755 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 3: don't have to deal with the drama that is your approach. 756 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,399 Speaker 3: But what I am saying very clearly is that you're 757 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 3: sending a very loud message that it is okay to 758 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 3: be disrespected because the power is with the president and 759 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 3: you don't want the smoke. It's okay to erase the 760 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 3: accomplishments of the people who help build this great country 761 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 3: because you don't want the smoke. It's okay to turn 762 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 3: the other cheek because you really truly just want to 763 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 3: continue on about your day and do your job and 764 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 3: not be uncomfortable. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for 765 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 3: all of us to be uncomfortable. These next four years, 766 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 3: these next eight years, however long this man is in office, 767 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 3: we are going to be uncomfortable. If we're not a 768 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 3: heterosexual white male in this country. That's just what it is. 769 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 3: We will be uncomfortable. And the people who say stick 770 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 3: to sports, I don't want to hear about it. Sports 771 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 3: and politics are infused. There's just no way you can 772 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 3: say the two don't go together. And the time will 773 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 3: come when your team, your friend, your person, your favorite 774 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 3: player will have to make a decision, and that decision 775 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 3: may not be something that you will be very proud of. 776 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 3: Their thoughts, their process, their movements may not align with 777 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 3: how you believe. I am a Dodgers fan. I will 778 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 3: still be a Dodgers fan born and raised in LA. 779 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 3: But I am a black woman first. I am a 780 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 3: black human being first. And it really was disappointing. It's 781 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 3: not that you have to say, President Trump, I don't 782 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 3: like you, but a yes but no thank you is 783 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 3: a perfect way to respond. I have a team, a 784 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 3: roster built on black and brown people, and I'm pretty 785 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 3: sure they're not all aligned. I don't care how conservative 786 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,400 Speaker 3: baseball is. I don't care how conservative people are on 787 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,919 Speaker 3: the team. I'm pretty sure if you did a check 788 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 3: and you went down, Hey Mooki Betts, how do you feel? 789 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 3: Hey MOOKI Betts, how do you feel? I'll tell you, 790 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 3: MOOKI probably don't want to go. And I know that 791 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 3: for a fact because he declined to go when he 792 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 3: was with the Boston Red Sox and they ended up 793 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 3: saying nope, no, thank you, I don't want to be 794 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 3: there when they won the World Series championship. And here 795 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 3: he is a Dodger dale and I wonder how he 796 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 3: feels about that. Shout out to Mookie because he is 797 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 3: returning to the lineup tonight after a mystery illness. We 798 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 3: don't know what it was. He lost twenty pounds and 799 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 3: he wasn't feeling well and he's coming back tonight. So 800 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 3: sending him a lot of love, a lot of healing, 801 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 3: and I hope everything is well with his body and 802 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 3: he can play a good season. It's a long season. 803 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 3: I don't know where we are in this country where 804 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,839 Speaker 3: putting our head down and minding our business is what 805 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 3: we should do when it comes to people not acknowledging 806 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 3: your contributions to society or your humanity. I'm not talking 807 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 3: about some stephen A and Lebron beef. I'm not talking 808 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,839 Speaker 3: about the simple things. I'm talking about real issues in 809 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 3: our world. We are really walking our entire country back 810 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 3: to a time that, to me was one of our 811 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,479 Speaker 3: darkest times, our most embarrassing times, one of our times 812 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,360 Speaker 3: we didn't acknowledge people who really mattered to this world. 813 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 3: This country is built on immigrants, it's built on hard work, 814 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 3: it's built on sweat equity of those who aren't necessarily 815 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 3: heterosexual white males, and every day we see a rasure, 816 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,320 Speaker 3: very clearly, very explicitly, there's no hiding it, and we 817 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 3: also see incompetency, and no one's saying anything about it. 818 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 3: And I'm disappointed. And when I say no one, I'm exaggerating. 819 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 3: There are people who are fighting the good fight, but 820 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 3: I would like to see is everyone say quite simply, no, 821 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 3: I don't want to do that. No, I can't participate 822 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 3: in that because I do know that people who are 823 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 3: black and brown, and women and people who are not 824 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 3: necessarily from this country help make this country great. If 825 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 3: you really truly want to make America great again, you 826 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 3: got to start acknowledging everyone who is a part of 827 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,399 Speaker 3: this country and who help build this country and made 828 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 3: it this great place that we love to live in 829 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 3: and give us our freedoms. Dodgers, you have a good time. 830 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 3: I'm disappointed, but I'm still a fan. I appreciate you 831 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 3: all for listening to Naked Sports. We'll be back next week. 832 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 3: Naked Sports written and executive produced by me Harry Champion, 833 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 3: produced by jacqueses Thomas, Sound designed and mastered by Dwayne Crawford. 834 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 3: Naked Sports is a part of the Black Effect podcast 835 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 3: network in iHeartMedia