1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: A few days ago, this big story broke involving a squirrel. 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: A guy in New York State had taken a squirrel 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: and a raccoon as a pet and put them on 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: the internet. Peanut the squirrel became an Internet sensation, had 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: half a million followers, and people just loved that little guy. 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: Then a few days ago, the Department of Environmental Conservation 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: seized Peanut and the raccoon named Fred, from owner Mark 9 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: Lungo's home. He had an animal sanctuary in rural Pine City, 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 1: New York. They then euthanized the animals. So they take 11 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: the animals from this guy's house where he films himself 12 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: snuggling with this squirrel and kissing the squirrel constantly, and 13 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: they're just like best friends, and they kill him. They 14 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: kill the squirrel. A lot of people were outraged, me included. Now, 15 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that I hate squirrels. 16 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: I am not into them at all. I have an 17 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: animal loving mom who saves turtles and you know, feeds 18 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: stray cats, and she used to feed the squirrels on 19 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: my balcony in Brooklyn and I was very anti that 20 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: whole thing. They're really gross, They're gross, they're vicious. I mean, 21 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: I think the only animal I dislike more than squirrels 22 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: are pigeons. Just itw But coming into someone's home and 23 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: taking away their animal who isn't bothering anyone, scares me, 24 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: and I think it's scared a lot of people who 25 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: heard the story. And I've seen a lot of commentary 26 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: around this go something like people are more concerned about 27 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: squirrels and they are about blank could be you know anything. 28 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: I saw high grocery prices, the border death and gaza, etc. 29 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: But I want to say that I found it very 30 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: encouraging that people cared about the insane thing that happened 31 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: with this squirrel. We can't culturally accept that kind of 32 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: action from our government. If they do that, what else 33 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: can they come and do? As I like to say, 34 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: this show is not about politics, and it's not the 35 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: politics of this that bothers me. It's not that it 36 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: happened in New York. If it happened in a red state, 37 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: I'd be just as mad. Where in this time where 38 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: people tell me they can't sleep because they're so worried 39 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: about what's going on in our country, and I really 40 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: think that small stories like this squirrel story really exacerbates that. 41 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: Silly as that may sound, we need to be able 42 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: to count on things going a certain way, and the 43 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: government coming to your home and seizing and you're, yes, 44 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: weird but harmless pet should not happen, and then killing 45 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: that pet is just really crossing the line. I told 46 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: my kids' story, and they wondered, why didn't they just 47 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: set the animals free? After all? The whole concern supposedly 48 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: was that their wild animals and shouldn't be living in 49 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: someone's home, right, Why kill them? I worry about the 50 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: future of the country with stories like that. I really 51 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: do people need to know what to expect During COVID, 52 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: I just wanted normal seedback and we were willing to 53 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: move to Florida to get it. People need normal, They 54 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: crave normal. I think stories like this move us away 55 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: from normal, move us away from knowing what to expect, 56 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: and that really harms our country overall. I'd love to 57 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts. Drop me an email, Carol Markowitz Show 58 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Ka r O L M A 59 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: R kow I c isn't charlie' z as and ZBrush 60 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Coming up next and interview with 61 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: Tony Katz. Join us after the break. 62 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 63 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: guest today is radio host Tony Katz. 64 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: How's it going? 65 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 4: It is going well. 66 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 5: I didn't know if David Marcus rules applied and whether 67 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 5: or not I could smoke. 68 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: Dry you could totally smoke. Go ahead. 69 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 4: Have you done an interview with David Marcus? 70 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: I have, and I discouraged him from smoking, just because 71 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: I like picking on him. 72 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 3: But yeah, he smoked pretty much the whole way through. 73 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 4: Okay, But but. 74 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 5: He's a cigarette smoker and he needs to. I'm a 75 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 5: cigar smoker, right. 76 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: So tell me about your Before we got on, you 77 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: were telling me you have three radio shows, which you know, 78 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: I would say, seems like a lot. But I have 79 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: two podcasts now, so I get it. So tell us 80 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: about your shows. 81 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 5: There used to be a time in radio where you 82 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 5: could do just one show and feel like you made 83 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 5: a living and feel like you know everything's gonna all right. 84 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 4: It's a tenuous world, it is radio. 85 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 5: So I'm the morning host of ninety three point one 86 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 5: FMWIBC in Indianapolis. I've been doing the morning show here 87 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 5: for ten years, and then I am I'm the host 88 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 5: of something called Tony Kats Today, which is nationally syndicated. 89 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 5: We're we're in Memphis, We're in Tulsa, here in Indianapolis, 90 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 5: throughout Indiana. We then share the show on weekends, and 91 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 5: then I host the which started as a hobby because 92 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 5: I'm a cigar guy, Eat Drink Smoke, which is the 93 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 5: largest cigar in bourbon radio review program in the country. 94 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 5: We're on eighty eight stations across the country on weekends, 95 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 5: myself and Fingers Below, who is a Joy and a 96 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 5: treat of a man. 97 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 4: And that's led to books on barbecue and bourbon, and 98 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: you know. 99 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 5: Just a very idea of I have a hobby, I 100 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 5: like this thing, I talk about this thing, and then 101 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 5: it turned into kind of turned into a business. 102 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: Turned out that's the best, right. 103 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: That is actually when magic happens when you can talk 104 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: about something that you love to talk about and make 105 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: money from it. I love bourbon also, I'm actually I'm 106 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: more into rye. Do you is it all brown liquors 107 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 2: or do you limit to bourbon? 108 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 4: Rye is Rye is unsung in Indiana. It is. It 109 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 4: is the drink. 110 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm much more a fan of Midwest Rise and 111 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 5: let's say East Coast Rise. I'm not as much of 112 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 5: a whistle pig guy as I am some of the 113 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 5: other things. 114 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: Me, some of your favorites, I need, I need some recommendations. 115 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: See that that's unfair. 116 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 5: Favorite is I can give you recommendations, but I can't. 117 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 4: I can't rank Pikesville. 118 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 5: I think every liquor cabinet should have Pikesvill Rye in it. 119 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 5: I think that is absolutely unsung. A spectacular, spectacular drink 120 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 5: out of Indiana. There's some guys called Hard Truth, which 121 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 5: is down in Nashville, Indiana, Brown County, which is a beautiful, 122 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 5: beautiful spot. 123 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: You guys have a Nashville right. 124 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 5: It's there is no Broadway, no no girls going, none 125 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 5: of I can. I'm over if you need it, but no, 126 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 5: please please, There's. 127 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 4: Only so much of that one can handle. Uh. So 128 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 4: they do some great work because they do it. 129 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 5: They do a sweet mash rye, which is you know 130 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 5: they're not they're not using a starter, They're doing it 131 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 5: fresh every time. So as far as Rise, those two 132 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 5: I think should be in liquor cabinets all. 133 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 4: Over the place. 134 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 5: But no, it's it's not just it's not just brown 135 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 5: liquor rum is fantastic with a cigar and people never 136 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 5: ever put it together. 137 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: Bamboo b u M b u. 138 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 5: If you've never had a bamboo rum with a cigar, 139 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 5: I think is great. We we just did an Irish 140 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 5: whiskey that was absolutely spectacular, kind of like apple and 141 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 5: pear pie. 142 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: Mixed with butter. It was. 143 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not an Irish whisky guy at all. That 144 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 5: is not where I feel. It's like Japanese whiskey that 145 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 5: is just not it's not enjoyable. But no, it's it's 146 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 5: it's more about just being able to taste and get 147 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 5: an idea of what it's like. What is an artist 148 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 5: trying to do? It's like the cigar, this is this 149 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 5: is art, right? What was the plan here? What's the 150 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 5: thinking here? And kind of exploring what they're all about. 151 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 5: And I'm much more of a cigar person than a 152 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 5: drinker by any stretch. 153 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 4: I don't have to finish the drink. I will finish 154 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 4: the cigar. 155 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: What kind of cigar are you smoking today? 156 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 5: So this is an oliva or sometimes pronounced Oliva. I 157 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: leave it to others. The Suri v this is the Millennia, 158 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 5: which is not Millennia. This says nothing to do with Trump. 159 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 4: It's just just not. 160 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: A bad business idea. The Millennia. 161 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: Say someone hasn't done Trump cigars already. 162 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure they have. 163 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 5: You know, they haven't created an eight inch cigar and 164 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 5: just called it huge. That has to have happened. I 165 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 5: like this is a pretty moderately priced cigar. The regular 166 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 5: seriv is probably about ten eleven bucks. This is probably 167 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 5: about seventeen. But I find it to be a very easy, 168 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 5: all purpose smoke, no matter what you're doing, when you're 169 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 5: doing coffee, whether you're doing bourbon, whether you're doing a 170 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 5: diet coke, which is a nice clean way to cleanse 171 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 5: the pallet each time without affecting flavor of the cigars. 172 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 5: It's it's it's in the humand or constantly. But it 173 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 5: isn't my every day It's just what I happen to 174 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 5: pick right now. 175 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: Can you see yourself getting into the business of maybe 176 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: a bourbon or a cigar or something. 177 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: I had Michael Knowles on the show. He has his 178 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: own cigar. 179 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: Company now, Clay and Buck my my overlords here at iHeart. 180 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: They started a coffee company. I think people are kind 181 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: of branching out. Can you see yourself doing that? 182 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 5: I think that is it's the business and the brand 183 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 5: and the concept of the brand, and I think we're 184 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 5: all in it and it gets very very strange and 185 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 5: very odd. I know Carol Markowitz from the New York Post. 186 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 5: Now it's Carol Markwitz from the podcast, and soon will 187 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 5: be Carol Markwitz from the stage show New re enacting 188 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 5: the life of Elaine Strich. That's clearly what's coming. For 189 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 5: those who don't know Elaine Strich, you might have to 190 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 5: go to Google and check that out. 191 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm doing I did when COVID started. 192 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 5: I did a rye whiskey called Recovery Rock and we 193 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 5: raised money for hospitality workers impacted because of closures. Right, 194 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 5: So myself and a guy who owns a cigar lounge, 195 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 5: Corey Johnston, and a group called Backbone Bourbon and we 196 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 5: did this and it did very very well, tens of 197 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 5: thousands of dollars, and was thrilled to do it. I 198 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 5: have coming out in the end of November my first 199 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 5: barrel pick that I did with Hotel Tango Distillery. Vetteran 200 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 5: owns here in Indianapolis a ten year, so I've. 201 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 4: Got a ten year barrel pick. 202 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 5: And now it's a conversation of doing a collaboration on 203 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 5: a bourbon and a series of bourbons really kind of 204 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 5: focusing on what they refer to as orphan barrels, this 205 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 5: idea that this barrel never got sold or this barrel 206 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 5: turn out the way people want it. 207 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: Well, what if you did this and mixed it with that? 208 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 5: What if there's an idea here, What if there's something 209 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 5: here that's just perfect on its own, uncut, and just 210 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 5: just get it out to people and let them try it. 211 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 5: And I think that it's all part of it is 212 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 5: all part of joy, right, being able to do like 213 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 5: I did the podcast, Eat Drink, Smoke because I wanted 214 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 5: to an escape from the politics, and then it became 215 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 5: its its own thing. 216 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 4: That is that is, that is lightning and a lightning 217 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 4: in a bottle. Lovely. But it's never it's not necessarily 218 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 4: about the money. 219 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: Being a capitalist, why not, you know, why not make 220 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: money along the way. 221 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 4: There's no way I agree with you. Why not make 222 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 4: make money? 223 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 5: Sponsorships now available, But it's it wasn't the driver. It's 224 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 5: never been the driver. The doing, to me is much 225 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 5: more interesting than than the rest. 226 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 4: I would argue that I I'd probably. 227 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 5: Be further along in a career, more financially successful in 228 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 5: a career if I had made some of those moves. 229 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 4: But I kind of like just doing the stuff. 230 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 5: Doing the stuff is kind of fun and let the 231 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 5: chips fall where they may. So, uh, Doing a cigar 232 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 5: is far different than doing a bourbon. You've got a 233 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 5: lot of people out there that you could work with, 234 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 5: reach out to and do something in a collab aborative effort, 235 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 5: and then use whatever platform you have to try and 236 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 5: get it sold. A cigar is only going to go 237 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 5: as far as the people who sell the cigar or 238 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 5: can push it, because they're gonna buy the box and 239 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 5: then they have to sell the twenty cigars that are inside. 240 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 5: There has to be something worthwhile, a story that they're 241 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 5: going to buy into and believe and share, and it 242 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 5: has to actually be good in order for those cigar 243 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 5: lounges to do it. 244 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 4: So you know, you can. 245 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 5: You can gimmick a cigar from now to the end 246 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 5: of time. And there are a lot of people in 247 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 5: the celebrity world who get in cigars? Those people are 248 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 5: gonna suss it out. You can't get you can gimmick bourbon. 249 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 5: A Snoop can give me gin and juice all you want, 250 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 5: and and Ryan Reynolds can get lucky as bloody heck 251 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 5: with Aviator Gin. Fantastic marketing. I'll leave the gin to 252 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 5: others what George Clooney did with tequila. Remember, no one's 253 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 5: made more money than Sammy Hagar with Kabba Loabo. I 254 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 5: mean that guy is the originator for sure. But people 255 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 5: will do it for the kitch, not a cigar. Cigar 256 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 5: has to be good and I haven't yet just decided 257 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 5: on the cigar maker. 258 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: Well, I would. 259 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: Smoke the Tony Cats. If you make it, I will 260 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: smoke it. 261 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 3: So I pledge that to. 262 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 4: You right here. Do you smoke cigars? 263 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: I mean occasionally, I'm not like, I don't think I 264 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: would do it at ten twenty am on a Wednesday. 265 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 5: Well then I'll I'll do it just to say cut 266 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 5: time and that's a great lighter. 267 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I absolutely you know, late night with 268 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: a whiskey? 269 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: Sure? Why not? 270 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 4: What do you drink? Is? 271 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 5: What is the Carol Markoitz end of the day. I've 272 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 5: told people how great Florida is. 273 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: Well, once I've gotten through that, you know, I don't 274 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: drink as much. 275 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: As I'd like. 276 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: I know everybody talks about drinking drinking less. No, but 277 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: it's true, Like my bar has really grown, and my 278 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: husband and I are always like, oh, we should drink more. 279 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: We just don't remember to do it. But again, I'm 280 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: a whiskey person. 281 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: Like if I go to an event and it's like 282 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 2: red or white wine, like kill me right there. And 283 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: I would say my most controversial opinion is that wine 284 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: is bad. So I get a lot of flack on 285 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: the Twitter X for that. It's just whiskey is so 286 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: much better. It's just it's a different universe. 287 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 4: So all right, but what is this? 288 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 3: I would say, you know, in a in a bar 289 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: where I know they're going to have it. 290 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: Woodford Rye is sort of the one that I would 291 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: go for. I love four Roses. I I do like 292 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: whistle Pig. You know, I like all those Kentucky brands, 293 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: so you know, I like. 294 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: The fancy stuff too. I drink all kinds of Wellers. 295 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: And my husband, when I had my third kid, he 296 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: got me a bottle of pappies. 297 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we do it right. 298 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 5: Also, so on the pappy side, the well Or twelve 299 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 5: I think is a brilliant, brilliant bourbon. You don't have 300 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 5: to spend the pappy money. The four Roses a great pick, 301 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 5: The small back Select I think is exquisite. And on Woodford, 302 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 5: Elizabeth McCall would be a great interview. She's she's now 303 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 5: the master distiller there. She's tremendous, and they do not 304 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 5: only the Rye is good, but the Woodford double oaked 305 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 5: and there isn't small batches, the double double oaked spectacular. 306 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: Really all right, I have to check that out. 307 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: So how did you get into the radio world before 308 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: you even had the show about the whiskey and the 309 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: food and the cigars. What was the first step into 310 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: this kind of landscape going broke? 311 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 5: I had moved to Los Angeles to start a tech 312 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 5: company with a friend of mine, fraternity brother still dearest 313 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 5: friend in the world. 314 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 4: And this was when the bailouts came. 315 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 5: In two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine, 316 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 5: and anybody who was an investor was running for cover 317 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 5: trying to figure out which end was up and lost 318 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 5: our funding and I lost I had to short sell 319 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 5: my house back in Florida Tampa Bay at the time, 320 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 5: and spent a year trying to figure out which end 321 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 5: was up. And as this was happening, the tea party 322 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 5: was coming into existence, and I started that I was 323 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 5: one of those original people and did that first rally 324 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 5: in California on the Santa Monica Pier, which is a 325 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 5: weird place to have a tea party, yeah for sure, 326 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 5: but on the on those steps right at the end 327 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 5: of the pier, that was that was me in the 328 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 5: first word, spoken at a tea party in California and 329 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 5: did that for a while and said I wanted to 330 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 5: have these conversations, but I didn't want to make money 331 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 5: off these people. I wasn't gonna be a guy printing 332 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 5: T shirts or anything like that. So I knew of 333 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 5: a radio station where I'd done a little bit of 334 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 5: work in Clearwater, Florida, and I bought the time, and 335 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 5: I bought an hour a day and did the show 336 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 5: from California on Skype Wow Los Angeles, and that's and 337 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 5: that's how I got started. That's how I started my 338 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 5: my my radio career. And it was right around the 339 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 5: time where Arizona was. 340 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: Was having this law SB ten seventy. 341 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 5: You have a lawful stop, you can ask the person 342 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 5: you stopped what country they're from. People were upset and 343 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 5: they were saying boycott Arizona and don't do conventions in Arizona. 344 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 5: And Congress members from Arizona was saying this. I thought 345 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 5: this was nuts. I started offering free advertising to Arizona businesses, which. 346 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 4: I mean California. The shows in Florida today make sense. 347 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 5: A guy I know, John I haven't spoken to in 348 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 5: a great number of years, had run the story on 349 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 5: his website and some other people put the word out 350 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 5: and then Kavudo called and three days later I'm doing 351 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 5: the Okavudo Show, my first time on Fox ever. 352 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 4: And that was the start of the career. 353 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: I'll be right back with more from Tony kat. 354 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 3: So. 355 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 2: A question that I ask all of my guests is 356 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: what advice would you give your sixteen year old self, Like, 357 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: do you still follow that path? 358 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: Do you go into tech? 359 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 4: No? No, I knew nothing about tech. 360 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 5: Had a friend who was smarter than me, who had 361 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 5: a good idea, and I said, here's my money, and 362 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 5: I was willing to risk all my money and I did. 363 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 4: I lost everything. In that my sixteen year old self. 364 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 5: Was an extremely unhappy kid, an outrageously unhappy kid that 365 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 5: led to real depression in my twenties and being suicidal. 366 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 4: It was a it was. 367 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 5: An awful decade, sadly a wasted a decade. You know, 368 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 5: it is cliche to say it gets better, but I 369 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 5: would argue that you can get through this. It's just 370 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 5: going to take a lot of work. And maybe maybe 371 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 5: you want to recognize it a little bit earlier than 372 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 5: you did, and it'd be proactive about it if I 373 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 5: was giving myself that that advice. But the the also 374 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 5: maybe the idea that nobody knows anything. 375 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 4: They all have advice, but no one knows. 376 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 5: Crap, and and and try some things on your own 377 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 5: and see what works. It's okay, Failure's fine. 378 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 3: Right, So how did you turn it around? I? 379 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 5: Uh A have a spectacular wife, absolutely spectacular. I went 380 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 5: to a a wasn't a psychiatrist psychologist once once because 381 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 5: my wife had a job and it was covered by insurance, 382 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 5: and and I went and I went back a second 383 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 5: time and the guy was basically like, why are you here. 384 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, all right, I must be fine. I 385 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 4: wasn't cured. 386 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, magic, I tell you is it's like taking 387 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 5: the collidal silver. 388 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 4: You're heeled of all your ailments. I I certainly wasn't. 389 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I've ever heard of therapist turned down 390 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: clients before. 391 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 3: But you must. 392 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: You must have been a good one. 393 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 5: I don't. 394 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 4: I I it was. It was odd. As I look 395 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 4: back on it, it was very, very, very odd. 396 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 5: But it it was a reminder that it was really 397 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 5: up to me. I saw something wrong, right, And that's 398 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 5: first recognizing that you're seeing something wrong. I should have 399 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 5: been more proactive. And the thing that turned me around, 400 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 5: which really didn't start working until my thirties, was I 401 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 5: stopped lying about everything. I never lied to another person again. 402 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 5: I never lied to myself about anything, not the smallest detail, 403 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 5: not how this shirt looked, not the fact that my 404 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 5: hair is total. 405 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 4: I don't know what's what's there? I nothing. 406 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 5: I don't lie about anything anywhere at any time. 407 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: Let the chips wall where they may. 408 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 5: And it really got me into this idea of don't 409 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 5: do things for the money, do things because they can 410 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 5: be done. 411 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 4: Do the thing, try the thing if it doesn't work. 412 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like in November November fourteenth, I'm gonna shameless plug. 413 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 5: I'm doing an event understanding the election in three bourbons, right, 414 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 5: so hopefully we'll have Electra results by then. I'm gonna 415 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 5: take it down for a crowd what happened in the 416 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 5: battlegrounds and in the Battle of the sexes and everything else. 417 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 4: And we're gonna pair it with bourbon. And we've got food. 418 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 4: Where our cigars Afterwhere's the event? This is in Fishers, Indiana. 419 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 5: You can go to tickets dot Tony Kats dot com, 420 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 5: tickets tot dot com. 421 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 4: Thank you, I will fly you out, Carol. If you 422 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 4: want to be a part of. 423 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 2: It, well, I will certainly consider that. 424 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: I've never been to Indiana. 425 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 4: Indiana in November. 426 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I have the warm clothes anymore. 427 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: For that. 428 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 5: Oh, we have goodwills and the willingness to give you 429 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 5: a sweater. These people are very friendly. That has been 430 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 5: years me saying I want to do a live event. 431 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 5: You know you talk about like Clay and Buck doing 432 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 5: the coffee and. 433 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: Back at coffee check it out. 434 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 4: You know, all these kinds of things. Do the thing. 435 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 4: I have no idea if this is gonna work. I 436 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 4: have no idea what it's gonna make money. I don't 437 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 4: know if people are gonna leave going. 438 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 5: That sucked, or they're gonna say this was a great time. 439 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 5: If they leave saying it was a great time and 440 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 5: then they learned something, that's the win. 441 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 4: Great time first, Right, that's gonna be tough. I just 442 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 4: liked the idea of doing and saying I have to 443 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 4: do this. 444 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 5: I got to get this out of my system, get 445 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 5: it out of my soul, and so I now just 446 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 5: do anything I dang well. 447 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 3: Please, I love it. So what do you worry about? 448 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: In whatever path? Do you think that question lead you? 449 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? 450 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 5: So, I mean you could argue some of the basic stuff. Right, 451 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 5: I have a family, I have children, and certainly concerns 452 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 5: for them in this world, in this society, without question 453 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 5: being Jewish, it's something that we both talk about on social. 454 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 4: Media, noticeable than before, right, more noticeable than than ever before. 455 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 5: You know. I used to argue that very often what 456 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 5: you saw was an anti semitism, it was moronism. Somebody 457 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 5: brought a swastik on a stop sign, right, and you're 458 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 5: down the street. They're not after Jews. They were a 459 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 5: smuck and they thought, oh this will this will be shocking. 460 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 5: It's it's you know, it's like pick the latest teeny 461 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 5: bopper star who thinks that getting undressed for a camera 462 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 5: is shocking. 463 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 4: We grew up during Madonna. We've seen literally everything you. 464 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 3: Made a how she made a whole book. 465 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 5: You cannot you cannot surprise us in the slightest. But 466 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 5: I will tell you that maybe it's a function of age. 467 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 5: But over the last year death I part of the 468 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 5: whole depression thing was being obsessed with family members and 469 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 5: what would I do if they passed away? Like it's 470 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 5: a weird, odd thing to be to be a part 471 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 5: of it. How would I handle this? And how would 472 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 5: handle that? Like somehow you could control that, but I 473 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 5: couldn't control anything else in my life, which is part 474 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 5: of the depression. So I invented things that I could 475 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 5: grab control of. And it makes sense as a you 476 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 5: utilize that as a crutch, as a vehicle dealing with 477 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 5: the fact that mortality will come. And I the only 478 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 5: thing that has truly ever stuck with me on a 479 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 5: philosophical level from my father passed away in June. He said, 480 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 5: the worst part about the idea of passing away is 481 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 5: I want to see what happens next. 482 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah. 483 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 5: That is that is as a matter of just take 484 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 5: a step back and have a sip of that, you know. 485 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 4: Carol Mark, WIT's proved wry. I want to see what 486 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 4: happens next. 487 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to see how things turn out. 488 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all going to go on without me. That's 489 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 4: all going to go on without. 490 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 3: That. 491 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 492 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 5: So maybe worry is the wrong word. That has gotten 493 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 5: a lot of my attention lately. 494 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 3: I think about that a lot. 495 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: I was raised partially by my grandmother, who I just 496 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 2: was like, you know, obsessed with, and she died before 497 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: things got good. She died before I met my husband, 498 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: before my career took off. 499 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 3: Before any of that happened. 500 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 2: She died when I was largely like a drift, and 501 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 2: I wish she had gotten to see, you know, it 502 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: turned out okay, it went better than expected. 503 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: So I you know, fully hear you? 504 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I uh so, I don't. 505 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 5: I don't know if I think the idea that I 506 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 5: do radio and I've done TV stuff and I've had 507 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 5: these interviews I. 508 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 4: Think tickled my father to no end. 509 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 5: And he lived in the in the villages, and I 510 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 5: am sure that everybody there heard, oh my son the 511 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 5: radio like it was like it was Jerry's father, you. 512 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 4: Know, did you go in the public or just I 513 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 4: don't know. 514 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 5: We didn't usually talk in that kind of way, so 515 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 5: I don't know have the ass but it's a it's 516 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 5: an interesting thought, uh, for for sure. 517 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 4: But does it does it bother you? 518 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: Do you? 519 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 4: Is that something you obsess about? 520 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 3: Obsessed about? 521 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: No, but it is definitely like the regret, you know, 522 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: the regret of like my grandma didn't see that it 523 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: all turned out okay. Again, it was like I was. 524 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: I was in graduate school when she passed, so it 525 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: wasn't like I was completely a mess, but I I 526 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 2: had definitely been a mess in my twenties. And when 527 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: you were talking about that and you started with have 528 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: an amazing wife, I mean it was definitely my husband 529 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: also that turned my life around. 530 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 3: And I think that I wish she had gotten to 531 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 3: see it. That's really that's it. 532 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: I wish she had gotten to know that it was 533 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: all good and that my brother got married and had 534 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 2: two little girls and just all the whole picture of 535 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: like the family turned out okay, because when she died 536 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: it wasn't going that great. 537 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a I think that's a relatable. I think 538 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 5: that people are going to understand that very very well. 539 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 3: Definitely well. I've loved this conversation, Tony. 540 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 2: I feel like we had laughs, we had sadness, We 541 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: really ran the gamut. 542 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 3: You smoked the cigar. 543 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: I wish I had to leave us here with your 544 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: best tip for my listeners on how they can improve 545 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: their lives. 546 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 5: Oh, no pressure, No pressure from Marky Markowitz. 547 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 4: Has anybody ever referred to as Marky Markowitz? 548 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: We have? But I like it. 549 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 4: Copyright. Remember that, that's right. 550 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 5: I don't know how you're supposed to lead a good life. 551 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 5: It's like, what's the best cigar? Hell if I know, 552 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 5: I don't know you. I don't live in your taste buds. 553 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 5: I have no idea what your palette is. I think 554 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 5: maybe the question is, have you asked yourself what that is? 555 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 5: I mean, honestly asked yourself and ripped apart the other 556 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 5: stuff to get to the thing. I get that it 557 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 5: sounds hokey. It sounds like I voted for Marian Williamson. 558 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 4: But I cannot. 559 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 5: I don't think I can give it enough words to 560 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 5: how true that is? That it all got better when 561 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 5: I stopped lying about everything. The weight just went away, 562 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 5: to an extent that something can go away. It went 563 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 5: away better and better for time, but it went away. 564 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 5: Have you ever asked yourself what makes you happy? And 565 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 5: have you ever asked yourself? Are you willing to do 566 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 5: the things that get there? Because just because it makes 567 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 5: you happy doesn't. 568 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 4: Mean it isn't tough. That's I mean. 569 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 5: And by the way, it could be that taking care 570 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 5: of your family makes you happy, and that means you 571 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 5: work a job you don't like and there there's reward 572 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 5: in that. There's reward in that sacrifice, that is that 573 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 5: is valuable stuff. So I don't know if I've got 574 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 5: the good tip. I don't know if I'm you know, 575 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 5: I like that. 576 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 4: Thank you, I don't know. 577 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 3: Prospection introspection with Tony Kats. 578 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: I love it. 579 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 5: That's that's the new podcast that is coming on the 580 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 5: podcast podcast podcast number four. 581 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on, Tony. I love this. 582 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 2: Go to Tony's event, tell us one more time? 583 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: Where is it? When is it? 584 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 5: Here's November fourteenth, tickets dot Tony Kats dot com. You 585 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 5: can find me on locals at Tonykats dot com because 586 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 5: of course love the locals, and on Twitter, accent on Instagram. 587 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 4: At Tony kats. I hope you get to talk to 588 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 4: you and thank you Carol for having Thank you. 589 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: Tony, thanks so much for joining us on The Carol 590 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: Markowitch Show. Subscriber wherever you get your podcasts.