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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I Never told you, a production

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Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio, and welcome to another edition of Fictional Women

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Speaker 2: Around the World.

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Speaker 1: Our sub sub sub sub segment.

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Speaker 2: This one will have a light spoilers for the show

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Speaker 2: Only Murders in the Building.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, which.

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Speaker 2: I just watched the most recent episode, as We Come Out,

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Speaker 2: which was episode nine of season four. Things are happening,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not going to go too much into it,

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Speaker 2: but there will be spoilers. So today we are talking

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Speaker 2: about Mabel Mora. Mabel Mora is a character on the

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Speaker 2: show Only Murders in the Building, played by Selena Gomez.

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Speaker 2: She stars opposite Steve Martin and Martin Short in a podcast.

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Speaker 2: The show is about them making a podcast, and you

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Speaker 2: were actually the one who introduced it to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I was like looking for shows about.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts and this is one. It's quite funny. This is one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is essentially the three live in this building

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Speaker 2: in New York called the Arconia and they bond over

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Speaker 2: their love of true crime podcast. It's especially a show

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Speaker 2: that is very much making fun of cereal.

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Speaker 1: This love and a Murder in the Building.

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Speaker 2: Eventually leads them to starting their own podcast called Only

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Speaker 2: Murders in the Building. Through the podcast, they get to

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Speaker 2: the bottom of a death from Maple's past and uncover

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Speaker 2: other murderous activity. Enough for five seasons, because we're on

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Speaker 2: season four, but they have already announced the fifth season,

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Speaker 2: which I'm very confident is going to be a continuation

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Speaker 2: of this current season.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, I haven't watched it recently, so I don't

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Speaker 3: know exactly what's going on, but at this point, and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all just need.

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Speaker 1: To like, y'all are have some bad luck.

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Speaker 3: I would not be your friend or acquaintance and I

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Speaker 3: would not live there.

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Speaker 2: Well, no spoilers, but yes, but it is interesting because

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Speaker 2: even though there's four seasons, it's actually the amount of

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Speaker 1: So this is happening pretty quick.

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Speaker 2: Like maybe you can say, like, oh, okay, well, surely

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Speaker 2: there won't be another murder.

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Speaker 1: But alas but alas al.

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Speaker 2: And yes, they were definitely poking fun at Cereal, the

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Speaker 2: NPR podcast that really kickstarted a lot of the podcast

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Speaker 2: growth that we've seen, which is hosted by Cindy Canning

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Speaker 2: played by Tina Fay, who does appear in multiple seasons,

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Speaker 2: even going so far as to offer Mabel a job.

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Speaker 1: So okay. Mabel is usually.

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Speaker 2: Described as a millennial who doesn't know what she wants.

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Speaker 2: She lost her father as a child. They used to

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Speaker 2: do puzzles together before he died of cancer while she

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Speaker 2: was young. After he died, she watched Girl Cop to Cope,

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Speaker 2: which is the show that starred Ben Gilenroy slash Paul Rudd.

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Speaker 2: When she was growing up, she would spend her summers

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Speaker 2: to call themselves the Hardy Boys. One of the group

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Speaker 2: Another's Another of the group's father was the superintendent in

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Speaker 2: Their group was broken apart after one of them fell

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Speaker 2: After a decade, Mabel's aunt asked her to come renovate

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Speaker 2: This is where she met her podcast buds. At first,

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Speaker 1: Eventually they solved the case, or did they? Did they?

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Speaker 2: While celebrating their triumph, Mabel finds Bunny, apartment board president,

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Speaker 2: The trio has some arguments Charles is dating the person

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Speaker 1: They seemingly get to the bottom of this murder as well.

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Speaker 2: Mabel then goes to see Oliver's play Death Razzle Dazzle.

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Speaker 2: This culminated and then breaking apart from each other and

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Speaker 2: She moved out of her aunt's apartment after it was

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Speaker 2: Then, of course, another murder happened. It was someone close

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Speaker 2: about their podcast. Mabel negotiated her life rights and started

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Speaker 2: a much more assured person Amabel. This influenced Mabel's own

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Speaker 2: based on Eva Longoria. She started squatting the apartment where

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Speaker 2: That dynamic has slightly changed in the recent season because

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit different. But she's always been the

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Speaker 2: She said in this season to Eva Longoria, because all

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Speaker 1: Mabel works alone. So she's got that kind of very

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Speaker 2: it's funny when she she knows how to work technology,

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Speaker 3: So wait in the show, is Merle Streep and Martin

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Speaker 2: So that's been cool. And I am very excited to

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Speaker 2: the next season because I have come this close. I

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Speaker 3: Wow, you're really invested.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think you would be that invested.

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Speaker 2: I like guessing mysteries, and I just feel like I've

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Speaker 1: It's probably going to be not that at all.

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Speaker 2: That's the fun part, but we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what I think about the age difference

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Speaker 2: Well, and the episode that came out today, I was

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Speaker 2: was just like, you know, you don't really see that

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Speaker 2: But it is pretty funny. The reason slenyk has was like, wait,

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Speaker 2: why Eva Longoria, why did they cast you? She's like,

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Speaker 2: you're wondering why I'm so much older. It's because everyone

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Speaker 1: It I wondered about.

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Speaker 3: I was like Eva Longoria like, yeah, said well at

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Speaker 3: least a decade older than her. That's interesting, well gorgeous

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Speaker 3: Allegedly the creators.

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Speaker 1: I think they've said they read the reddit.

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Speaker 3: Oh, or is that why you want to post on Reddit?

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Speaker 1: That is not it at all.

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Speaker 2: I'd be horrified because I'm almost It's some of those

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Speaker 2: I was right, but I'm almost certainly not right.

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Speaker 1: But it is a theory I haven't seen, and it

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Speaker 1: would be cool.

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Speaker 2: But let's just say, for everyone who's listening, they're definitely

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Speaker 2: bringing back an idea I think from the second season.

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Speaker 1: It's all gonna come together in the fit.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but we'll see and listeners, if you have

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Speaker 2: any theories you would send, then send them. So I'm

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Speaker 2: Samantha won't be safe.

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