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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema. This

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Speaker 1: is Rob Lamb and I'm Seth Nicholas Johnson. Yeah, Joe

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Speaker 1: is still out on parental leaves, so Seth is joining

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Speaker 1: me once again, and we're going to be discussing a

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Speaker 1: wonderful slice of early nineteen eighties animation. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking about twos, the Flight of Dragons from Ranking and Bass. Seth,

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Speaker 1: what's your history with this film? So I assume this

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Speaker 1: was pretty common in the eighties and nineties when I

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Speaker 1: was a child, But my family had a large collection

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Speaker 1: of VHS tapes that you know, contained movies that were

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Speaker 1: recorded off of television, especially Gosh. I think ever since

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Speaker 1: the beginning of television, a big way to like kind

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Speaker 1: of fill that time was just to play old movies.

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Speaker 1: And then ultimately someone was like, hey, what if we

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Speaker 1: you know. So Yeah, I think most parents when they

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Speaker 1: movies off of television perpetually, and they just had these

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Speaker 1: amassed collections of two or three movies on a single

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Speaker 1: blank VHS cassette and um. Back when this first premiered

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Speaker 1: was like, you know, going through this, you know, collection

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Speaker 1: a label, I was just seeing, what are these things?

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Speaker 1: And one of them that I came across was the

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Speaker 1: enough for a child to understand, and it's got a

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Speaker 1: I just watched it perpetually as a child, and then ultimately,

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Speaker 1: new DVD copy from the Warner Archives and I still

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Speaker 1: watch it pretty regularly, but mostly honestly for its visuals.

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Speaker 1: Its visuals are really pretty stunning in places. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: was really off my radar for most of my life.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what was I don't remember exactly what

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Speaker 1: films from the Rank and Bess catalog that have an

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Speaker 1: important place in my television and film childhood, but this

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Speaker 1: is one that I don't think I heard of until

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know and ridiculous history

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Speaker 1: casually mentioned to me once. He's like, do you remember

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Speaker 1: he gave me some brief description of it. I was like, oh, no,

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Speaker 1: then more recently, I knew that you were going to

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Speaker 1: be guest host in a couple of episodes of Weird House.

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Speaker 1: So I started looking around in various animated features from

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Speaker 1: And watched. I don't think I watched a trailer, but

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Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a fascinating thing, and I think

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Speaker 1: you know, something like another Rank and Ambass classic, like

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Speaker 1: Like I'm going off top of my head here, but

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Speaker 1: None of them are mainstream, but they are all well

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Speaker 1: mentioning The Secretive Nim and The Last Unicorn, both again

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Speaker 1: a drag for me. Um, I think that's that's perhaps

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Speaker 1: And I think actually that's part of this this film

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there is sort of that that lag period

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Speaker 1: Interesting alright, So yes, this is a film that I

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Speaker 1: But first of all, the elevator pitch. What's your elevator

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Speaker 1: And I should also note I'll keep coming back to this,

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Speaker 1: there's a realm of magic. You will never inherit mind

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Speaker 1: to me, Well, wizards rule, we want none of your

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Speaker 1: for a good TV spot like that most definitely. Now,

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Speaker 1: So Ranking and Bass we're talking about author Ranking Jr.

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Speaker 1: They both have director and producer credits on this. They

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Speaker 1: here's the world of dragons and how it works book.

429
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: Apparently some story material also came from the book The

430
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: Dragon and the George by Gordon R. Dixon who lived

431
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, author of the Dragon Night series,

432
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: of which I believe this was the first volume the

433
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: Child cycle, as well as such novels as The Forever

434
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: Man from six. He also wrote a whole bunch of

435
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: short stories. All right, let's get into the voice cast

436
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: on this picture. It is, as you might expect from

437
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: this time period, rather interesting. It's a mix of folks

438
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: that might surprise you that they're here at all. And

439
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: uh and there are also some just really great voice

440
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: voice actors that pop up as well. So first of all,

441
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: there's a wizard in this by the name of Carolinas

442
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: who's very important. He's essentially our our main good wizard

443
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: and he is voiced by Harry Morgan who lived nineteen

444
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: fifteen through two thousand and eleven. And I have to

445
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: say this bit of casting feels a bit weird but

446
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: also totally spot on for late seventies or early eighties casting.

447
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: He as an accomplished actor of stage and screen well

448
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: before TVs MASH, but MASH is probably where a lot

449
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: of people would recognize this guy from. And if you

450
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: you hear his voice, he has that very dry voice,

451
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: kind of crackley American accent in this in this picture,

452
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: then you know exactly who this guy is. He was

453
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: also on drag Net. Uh so, yeah, very much a

454
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: drag Net cop voice for our our weird nature wizard,

455
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: which again feels kind of strange but all right. Um

456
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: Morgan was also into High Noon two is the ox

457
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: Bow incident in nineteen sixties Inherent the Wind. He was

458
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: also just in a ton of TV over the years,

459
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: often doing little guest spots, showing up on such shows

460
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: as Night Gallery. He was in a segment on Night Gallery,

461
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: and he was also on an episode of The Simpsons,

462
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: just to name a couple of his many appearances. So

463
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: that's our main good wizard, but we also have an

464
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: evil wizard, as one tends to have in pictures like this.

465
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: This is the wizard Omada On who and Ohmadon is

466
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: voiced by James Earl Jones one. This is, of course

467
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: the legendary actor of stage, screen, TV, and more legendary

468
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: is the voice behind Darth Vader in the Star Wars franchise.

469
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: He originated the role of Jack Jefferson on Broadway and

470
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: The Great White Hope and gave a really electric performance

471
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: of that role in the nineteen seventy film adaptation. He's

472
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 1: been in so many things we can't we can't even

473
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: begin to list them all, including playing King Joffey in

474
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: Coming to America voicing Mufassa in The Lion King. And

475
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: there's also no shortage of weirder, smaller roles that he

476
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: did as well, and he needed TV work, but he

477
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: also pops up in things like grim Prairie Tales from nine.

478
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: There's a two monster movie that I was recently looking

479
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: at called Blood Tide, where he plays like a kind

480
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: of suspicious archaeologist who may have awakened a monster in Greece.

481
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: I believe it's the plot. Um. He has a memorable

482
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 1: role in seven s Matuan and the role that this

483
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: performance I think mostly made me think of is another

484
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: performance from two. He of course played the villainous wizard

485
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: cult leader Thulsa Doom in Conan the Barbarian. There's even

486
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 1: a part in this film where he starts saying doom, Doom, doom,

487
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: and it definitely um connects the two in my mind. Yes,

488
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: I love that part all right. We also have a

489
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: kind of befuddled writer character from our world, from the

490
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: normal human world, the world of science, who gets sucked

491
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: into all of this. This is the character Peter Dickinson. Uh.

492
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: And this is yes, the same name as the actual

493
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: author of the Flight of Dragon's book, and he's voiced

494
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: by John Ritter. John Ritter, of course thousand and three

495
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: beloved TV and film actor and made a splash on

496
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: the small screen for the sitcom Three's Company, which I

497
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: weirdly grew up watching a lot. I think that was

498
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: like a show that would be on TV and syndication

499
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: and well generally I think while my mom was cooking

500
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: dinner and the we the kids would just watch Threees Company.

501
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Did I have no I have no reason in my

502
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: mind other than the fact that it was on all

503
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: the time. Like I didn't I didn't really care or

504
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: even understand about the dynamics of this household. But they

505
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: were funny and John Rider in particular, it was kind

506
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: of a goofy, cartoony guy, so at least he appealed

507
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: to kids in a way. Yeah, it was weird because

508
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: like later on I would learn that, oh yeah, this

509
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: was like supposedly a risk a kind of TV show,

510
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: and it was supposed to be like, you know, breaking

511
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: down boundaries, Like here's this guy and he lives with

512
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: these two women and they're keeping it a secret from

513
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: the landlord. All of that just completely washed over me

514
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: as a kid, and you just take it at at

515
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: face value, it was like, Oh, yeah, he lives there

516
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: with these these two women, and I guess the he

517
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: has these goofy, wacky landlords that they just try and

518
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: keep out. Yeah. No, he worked on two levels. Um.

519
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: In addition to that, he also did a lot of

520
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: film though. He did Sling Blade, Problem Child, Bride of Chucky,

521
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: and also a lot of TV shows, popping up in

522
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: guest spots, usually in episodes of stuff like Buffy, Tales

523
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: from the Crypt and News Radio. Of course, we also

524
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: have some dragon voices in this. The dragon rog is

525
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: voiced by Victor Boueno. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,

526
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: I thought was the wolf? Oh yes, Oh, of course

527
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: is the wolf. Yes, I know we're getting ahead here. Yes,

528
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: a wolf will show up in this and he talks. Uh.

529
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: Our ag is voiced by Victor Bueno. Um. This is

530
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: the last role for this individual, a longtime TV and

531
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: film actor, probably best known for films such as nine

532
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: sixty two Is Whatever having to Baby Jane and n

533
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: seventies Beneath the Planet of the Apes, in which he

534
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: plays one of the mutants. I included an image here

535
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: for you, Seth in case you have flashbacks to beneath

536
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: the Planet of the Apes. Now, now, was he also

537
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: King Tut in the Batman Live Action series or or

538
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: am I completely making that up? I think this is true. Yes, Um,

539
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: one of the deals that I grabbed shows I think

540
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: images from both of these. Um, I think he did

541
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: play King Tutt. I've just been forget. Yes, Yes, that

542
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: that is him. That is him. A very strange character

543
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: in the history of Batman. I believe he was a

544
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: college professor who was hit on the head and then

545
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: suddenly believed he was King Tuts and then would commit

546
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: crimes befitting King Tuts trying to exist in this modern

547
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: twentieth century world of ninety six Gotham City. One of

548
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: the most beloved Batman villains of all time, right up

549
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: there with a Joker, Yeah, right below Egghead. I'm not

550
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: really a Batman comics guy, but I do seem to

551
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: recall there there have like Batman is never going to end,

552
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: and so inevitably creators have come back to some of those, um,

553
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: those villains from the Batman TV series and found new

554
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: things to do with them. And I think I've read

555
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: something about like one where you had a faction that

556
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: had these sort of forgotten characters Lie King, Tutt, and Egghead.

557
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: I have read it. I have read it. It was

558
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: a complete series exclusively based on the nineteen sixty six

559
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: Batman television series, as if it continued on after the

560
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: television show. And uh no, it's wonderful if if you

561
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: like Batman sixty six the TV series, which I do

562
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: very much, it's it's fun just to have more adventures

563
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: in that camp be world with these characters that never

564
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: really got much attention outside of that world. All right.

565
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: We also have Briag and Smurgle. These are are these

566
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: both dragons? Smurgle definitely is Briag. I think that's the

567
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: evil red dragon and Smurgle is like the elderly good dragon.

568
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: I believe that's the two. But just like our God,

569
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of like just guttural noises.

570
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: That's just mythical creature. Yeah, I guess this is draconic.

571
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: This is a dragon language. It all sounds like growling.

572
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: But um. Both of these characters were voiced by James Gregory,

573
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: who of nineteen eleven through two thousand and two New

574
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: York actor. He had a long running role on TV

575
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: Barney Miller. He was in sixty two The Manchurian Candidate.

576
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: He was in sixties six is murders Row, and he

577
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: was also in nineteen seventies Beneath the Planet of the Apes,

578
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: in which he played the ape general Ursus the Planet

579
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: of the Apes franchise. Whenever anyone even just starts talking

580
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: about it, I always feel the pole just to watch

581
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: them all again. It's just there. There's something very comforting

582
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: about them, and I'm not quite sure what that is,

583
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: but but yeah, those are those enjoyable films. The original series,

584
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: of course, is what I'm speaking of. Yeah, I need

585
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: to read. I'm guess I'm kind of waiting until my

586
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: son's ready for them, and then I'm gonna definitely watch

587
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: the first one, and I really want to watch the

588
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: second one again. I I have a a weird attachment

589
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: to Beneath the Planet of the Apes. If that is

590
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: the second one. There's not a one in between those two,

591
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: is there? No? No, that's the one. Yeah, that's the

592
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: one where they are like, you know, um um worshiping

593
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: the atomic bomb and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah,

594
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: that's a fun one. I also really like the one

595
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: where um the two apes go into our modern world

596
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: and are kind of like wandering around being like the

597
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: toast of the town. I forget which one that one is.

598
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: It's like the creature walks among us, except it's about

599
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: to ape creatures. It's fun, yes, the same energy, is

600
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: that for sure? Alright? Getting into just a couple of

601
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: smaller roles here, Larry Storch plays the pawn broker in

602
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: this which is a fun little role we'll discuss. But

603
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: this guy Live two actor and comedian. But I only

604
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: really wanted to highlight him because he also played the

605
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: scout Master in nineteen eighties Without Warning, which of course

606
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: was the first episode of Weird House cinema classic for

607
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: that reason alone. We have a voice in this film.

608
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: It's sort of a power, almost a deity. It is

609
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: known as Antiquity, and it is voiced by Paul Freese,

610
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: who six he's actually I believe uncredited on this film,

611
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: but this was a long time voiceover voice actor that

612
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: frequently popped up and Ranking and Bass productions also Paul

613
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: Freeze did the voice, also uncredited. Hilarious the Blue Wizard,

614
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: another role which once again and in the credits for

615
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: no reason, he just doesn't get credited. But there he

616
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: is he he plays one of our main four wizards

617
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: as well, but one of the lesser ones, one of

618
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: the ones with fewer lines. I do always find it

619
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: interesting when you look back at a voice acting in

620
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: the nineties and earlier, like sometimes you would find situations

621
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: where they just have one voice actor to just do

622
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: numerous voices in ways that you I guess that you

623
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: certainly don't see as much on modern animated pictures. Right. Yeah,

624
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: and and here's actually to me the worst part about that.

625
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: UM think about Looney Tunes shorts. For example, Mel Blank

626
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: did almost every cartoon voice almost all of them. However,

627
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: there are two other actors which are very prominent in

628
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: that world. One is June four A and one is

629
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: Arthur Q. Bryan. Arthur Q Bryant is mostly known for

630
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: that the Elmer Fudd voice that was not Mel Blank,

631
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: that was Arthur Q. Bryan and June four A. Basically

632
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: most of the female character is like a witch, Hazel, etcetera, etcetera.

633
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: They often were never credited. Uh. In these old Luny

634
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: Tunes shorts, all the voice credits always just went to

635
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: Mel Blank for the longest time, and there's no particular

636
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: reason other than you know, ego or I don't know,

637
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: perhaps trying to fool people into thinking he did more

638
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: than he did. It's just it's just a weird practice,

639
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: and it still happens. There's still a lot of that

640
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: of people not getting credit for work that they have

641
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: done or um. It's just it's just a strange practice

642
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: that still exists in the entertainment industry. All right. Finally,

643
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: on the music front, um, First of all, the score

644
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: we tend to highlight the score of the score is

645
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: by Marie Laws who nineteen also scored The Last Dinosaur

646
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: as well as The Hobbit from and other various ranking

647
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: and bass joints. But the real, the real, real juicy

648
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: part of the music is of course the theme song

649
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: to the Flight of Dragons. I this is really just

650
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: gotten its hooks into my brain ever since I watched

651
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: this film last week. If I even see the book

652
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: The Flight of Dragons on the shelf, my brain will

653
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: just automatically go Flight of Dragons. And it's the voice

654
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: of Don McClain, American music legend, singing the Flight of

655
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: Dragons theme song. I mean Mr American Pie himself. Yeah,

656
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: now he he didn't write this one. I believe, but

657
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: he does perform it, and it's it's a fun little

658
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: little theme song. It's it first, it might feel kind

659
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: of weird because it does not. It does not feel medieval.

660
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, um not. I mean not that the

661
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: theme song to The Last Unicorn by America feels medieval either,

662
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: But that's a great one as well. So I don't know.

663
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: I I think it absolutely works here. I absolutely can't

664
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: get it out of my head. It's that's the tone

665
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. It gives it like an airy, dreamy vibe. Yeah,

666
00:35:52,800 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: so it totally works. All right. Are we ready to

667
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: talk about the the actual the plots of this film. Yeah,

668
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: let's get into it. So we begin with a shot

669
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: of mountaintops and they are cresting through a sea of clouds.

670
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: The sun is low on the horizon, and we slowly

671
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: move in on a figure dressed in green robes standing

672
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: at the precipice of the highest mountain. Uh. This green

673
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: cloaked figure shouts out gore, Bash, Gore bash, Come, and

674
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: a large green dragon, maybe like ten times the size

675
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: of the shouting figure. He just kind of pulls up

676
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: next to the mountaintop and allows what we can now

677
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: see as an elderly looking man with a long white

678
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: beard to step onto its back. The man of the

679
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: dragon take off into the sky and join an already

680
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: established thunder of dragons. Now I had to look this up.

681
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: I was like, what is a group of dragons called? And,

682
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: because of course they are fictional, I actually found many

683
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: many different words to to describe a group of dragons.

684
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: My favorite was thunder, So I'm going to refer to that.

685
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: A thunder of dragons just sounds very cool to me. However,

686
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: another explanation for a group of dragons, another word for

687
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 1: that is a flight of dragons, which will be brought

688
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: up multiple times actually in this movie. So I suppose

689
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: I should I should use that term. But thunder of

690
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: dragons just sounded so cool to me. That does. That

691
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: sounds good? So the figure in green monologues to himself

692
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: a bit about how the world isn't in a transition

693
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: period between magic and science, and he he just kind

694
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: of wonders to himself, um, what he's gonna do about that?

695
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: You know? So so from there, the epic theme song

696
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: from Don McLean begins, and there's a long credit sequence

697
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: showing this group of dragons. This thunder of dragons in

698
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: flight long. Uh, this is just a thing they did

699
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: back in the late seventies, early eighties. This is the

700
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: kind of moment that when I was a child I

701
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: would fast forward through. But as an adult I appreciate if,

702
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: if memory serves this is actually a sequence from later

703
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: on in the picture, the right to say that they

704
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: just went ahead and front loaded to just give you,

705
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: give you a lot of dragons to look at while

706
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: you listen to this wonderful Don McClain song. Uh so

707
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, fair enough, why not? It is beautiful, so

708
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: why not? But but much like a cheer up Charlie

709
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: in a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, or um, let's

710
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: see what the other one be, it was a candle

711
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: on the water and Pete's dragon. These were those eighties

712
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: seventies ballads that were they put in children's films that

713
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,959
Speaker 1: I just fast forwarded through. Um. Now, at this point,

714
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: since we've mentioned the dragons and we've seen multiple dragons,

715
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: should point out that, yes, the dragons in this film

716
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: are as as my my son described them, chalky. They are.

717
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: They are big, chunky dragons and at first you might

718
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: look at these and thinks I just can't. I do

719
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: not feel in these big, chunky dragons. But I would

720
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: just advise you to stay seated until the film can

721
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: reach its cruising altitude, because this will make perfect sense

722
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: in a bit. Yeah, it's necessary that there, they're there.

723
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: Chunk is very necessary. So um, after this montage of

724
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: dragons flying through the sky, several of the dragons land

725
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: on a river bank, and we see a few other

726
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: mythical creatures, including some pegas I which I presume is

727
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: the plural for pegasus. Do you think so pegas? I

728
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: guess you get into that weird situation where is pegasus

729
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: an individual for his pegasus a species and so forth.

730
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: So more than one Pegasus is on this bank, amongst

731
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: some fairies who are riding down the river, floating on

732
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: the back of a swan. But oh no, uh, this

733
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: swan that the fairies are riding on and the fairies

734
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: themselves are suddenly sucked into a water wheel attached to

735
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: a mill, and they are mangled and presumed dead, but

736
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: they're lifeless. But this green cloaked figure who we have

737
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: seen flying around in the back of the dragon, he

738
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: lays his hands upon the swan, and the fairies and

739
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: he revives them. We must assume bringing them back to life. Uh.

740
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: And this is like the first like visual metaphor for

741
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: kind of the overarching thesis of this film. You know,

742
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: can this technology, this water wheel exists in the same

743
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: world as this magic these fairies, Like can they co

744
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: exist or is one destroying the other? You know. So

745
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: the man is upset and he yells at the mill

746
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, be careful with your technology. And then the

747
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: mill workers come out and they start belittling the man

748
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: in green and he says, no, I am Carolinas. I'm

749
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: the protagonist of this film. I am the green Wizard.

750
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: You know. My domain is the green world, nature itself

751
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: and all of its inhabitants. You know. The mill workers

752
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: they're like whatever, and they start throwing large rocks at

753
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: Carolinas and just tell them to go away. Carolinas is mad,

754
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: so he casts a spell to destroy their water wheel.

755
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: But as he casts it, it the spell just kind

756
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: of fizzles out and just kind of plops into the

757
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: river and has no effect. Thus, the ridicule from the

758
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 1: mill workers increases and he's just having a bad day. Yeah.

759
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: This this was unexpected because when this looked like he

760
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: was going to really come down hard on these awful

761
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 1: mill workers, and my son was like, well, they brought

762
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: this on themselves. He was ready for it, and he

763
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: was totally supporting anything he was about to do. But then,

764
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, the spell fizzles out and he just kind

765
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: of has to walk away. So Carolinas walks home dejected.

766
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: He actually lives nearby. These are his neighbors, you know,

767
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: and uh he's comforted by his daughter, Princess Melissandra, and

768
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: we will we'll see here more and throughout the story.

769
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: And um so so Carolinas just thinking to himself, what

770
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: am I gonna do about this? So he summons his

771
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: three brothers to a meeting. This is the first time

772
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: they've all come together in four hundred years, because they

773
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: need to have a discussion about the state of magic.

774
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: So um, he sends off the letters on owls, as

775
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: you do. However, one thing I learned recently. Did you

776
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: know the owls are actually the slowest birds, so therefore

777
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: terrible conveyance for messages. You know, he's he was a

778
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: quicker bird. Please, But anyway, magic I did No, I

779
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: didn't realize that. Um, Joe and I did an episode

780
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: a while back talking about the idea of using things

781
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: other than pigeons as as messengers, like ravens or owls,

782
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: and we talked about some of the possibilities and limitations

783
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: with these different species. But yeah, we we somehow didn't

784
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: touch on the flying speed of the common owl. You know,

785
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: there there are more important things than speed, you know.

786
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: There there's there's all kinds of aspects we could look atto.

787
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: But let's meet our three other wizards. So they're all

788
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: color coded to keep everyone straight on these. So we've

789
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: met Carolina's he's the green Wizard, Nature grass, all the creatures,

790
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: you got it green. Uh. Next we have Silarious, the

791
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: Blue Wizard. He is the lord of the depths and

792
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: the heights. His realm is outer space, deepest ocean, and

793
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: highest mountain. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, he's he's

794
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: kind of almost like a c deity, but in the

795
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: like in the older sense where you know, you have

796
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: a situation where um, you know, the Greek god of

797
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: the ocean beside and is not limited at the sea,

798
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: like he's the sea is like one of his domains,

799
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: but he has domains beyond the sea as well. I

800
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: I love the combination of outer space and deepest ocean,

801
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: because it does make a lot of sense in a

802
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: lot of ways. No air, big, murky, bluish black voids

803
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: like you know, it's it's it's a fun juxtaposition. I

804
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: dig it, I dig it. Next up we have low

805
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: to Jao. This is the Golden Wizard. His realm is

806
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: light and air. He's the lord of transcendence, healing and contemplation.

807
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: Once again, I love it. I also love that because

808
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: he is designed as like you know, uh more of

809
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: like an Eastern wizard. His dragon is the only one

810
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: in the whole movie that is like an Eastern style dragon,

811
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, this is a cool dragon.

812
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: And my son for the most part like this one.

813
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: But he did point out, well, it does have tiny wings,

814
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: and you tend not to to find wings of any

815
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: sort on Eastern dragons. I had to look it up

816
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: in the source book. Here there is an illustration of

817
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: a Chinese dragon, and then there's a bit about Chinese

818
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: dragons and they don't have tiny wings on it. So interesting.

819
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: I wonder if they were trying to maybe perhaps patch

820
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: a um plot hole, because later on we do find

821
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: out the importance of the wing when when they start

822
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: discussing the science of how dragons fly. So yes, I

823
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder how, what, what, what kind of

824
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: thought went into that? But well, I guess we'll see. Well,

825
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: even the book seems a little conflicted on this, because

826
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: the picture of the Chinese dragon has no wings, but

827
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: then the text says that there that they do have

828
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: wings that are just not as noticeable. So I guess

829
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: fair enough, if you try and put those two together

830
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: and come up with some version that can work on

831
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: the screen, you just throw some tiny wings in there

832
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: and call it a den. Well, well, we'll discuss that

833
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: when we get to the science of dragons flying, because

834
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: I have I have a thought about the differences between

835
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: the Eastern and the Western dragon. We'll get there. Now.

836
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: Our fourth wizard, this is the evil one we mentioned

837
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: to the James Earl Jones wizard. This is Ohmadon, the

838
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: Red Wizard, Lord of the Devil's Domain, seducer of Darkness,

839
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: master of black magic. He's he's our villain, and man,

840
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: he's beautiful. I love the design of Ohmadon. Oh yeah,

841
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: like his robe. He's of course wearing red and dark colors,

842
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: but he has stars on his robes as well as

843
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: opposed to skulls or anything. There are stars and then

844
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: his face too, He's like he's not really he's either

845
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: beyond human at this point or has some sort of

846
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: hybridity going on, because he has like this kind of

847
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: beastly almost ratlike catlike face. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, and um

848
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: he um. He morphs at various times throughout this film,

849
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: and it's all gorgeous. He's he's the one to watch

850
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: for visual splendor. And the James Old Jones voice performance

851
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: on this character is just absolutely great. I mean, James

852
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: el Jones is not just laying back in his chair

853
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 1: or sitting in a hammock reading lines on this He's

854
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: just chewing every bit of dialogue up and spitting it

855
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: out and it's wonderful. Yeah. So these four wizards, just

856
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: to remind every one, we got a Green Wizard, we

857
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: got a Blue Wizard, we have a Gold Wizard, we

858
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: have a Red Wizard. Those are the four. They will

859
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: come up, but mostly we're focusing on Green and Red.

860
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: Those are the primary antagonist protagonist. So at their meeting

861
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: the four brothers, they discussed that magic is getting weaker

862
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: because humankind is choosing logic over magic, but Carolinas has

863
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: a plan though. He wants the four wizards to consolidate

864
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: their power and create a realm of magic, sealed off

865
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: from the rest of the world where magic can live

866
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: and survive, almost just like you know, a little terrarium

867
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: of of like all the magical creatures, all the magic,

868
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, we we don't own the world,

869
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: but in this zone we have full magical power. That's

870
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: that's his plan. The Blue Wizard and the Golden Wizard

871
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: agree and pledge their help. The Red Wizard, oh, madon no, no, no,

872
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: he disagrees. He calls uh this proposed magic realm a

873
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: retirement home for magic, and he would rather destroy humankind.

874
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: And his method is really fascinating. Um. Basically, he says, like, um,

875
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: I will take their worst instincts and basically use them

876
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: against themselves, you know, more or less kind of like

877
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: playing into the idea of like, oh, you want to

878
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: build a bomb, I will help you build the biggest

879
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: bomb humans you know. Oh, you you want to distrust

880
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: each other, you should distrust everybody And really just like

881
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: leaning into the worst aspects of humankind and using it

882
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: to destroy ourselves. That's his magic. Plan. Yeah, inviting Omedon

883
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: really couldn't have gone worse for everyone, And I I

884
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: do love the villainist tak he has on. All of

885
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: this reminds me a lot of some of the concepts

886
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: that Michael Inda explored in the book The Never Ending Story,

887
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: because in this work, in the Flight of Dragons, there

888
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: is this idea that they they discuss a lot where

889
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: magic is kind of the inspiration for humans to do

890
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: great things but also potentially terrible things, as Ahmadon is

891
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: channeling here. And in The Never Ending Story we get

892
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: this idea that's particularly presented by the amorph and discussing

893
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: the like the motivations of the nothing and the powers

894
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: beyond the nothing. That, like the same energy that gives

895
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: a child um imagination and gives imaginative individuals that the

896
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 1: chance to dream and create these magical worlds, it also

897
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: is the same energy that can be twisted into the

898
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: domain of lies and deception. Uh. And so I think

899
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of echoed in this work as well,

900
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: most definitely. And there is even a point just in

901
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: case a kid is watching this and thinking to themselves,

902
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, this doesn't make any sense. Um Princess Melissandra.

903
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: She she says to Carolina's her father and goes, why

904
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: are you even inviting this guy? You know? Ohmadon's a jerk.

905
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: Don't don't invite him. And Carolinas has a stock answer,

906
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: but he's just like, hey, you know, good can't exist

907
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: without evil. He is necessary, you know. And it's like, alright, alright,

908
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: I'll buy that in a fantasy realm. Well we'll take that.

909
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: Uh So, uh, Omadon wants to destroy human kind. He

910
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: does not want to, you know, hide his magic away.

911
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: So the three good Wizards, Blue, Green, and Gold. They

912
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: decided that they must stop the Red Wizard from destroying humanity.

913
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: But because there is a rule with their like wizard God,

914
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: which we will get into. It's it's it's a it's

915
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: an entity known as Antiquity. Well we'll get there. Um,

916
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: there is a wizard law that says you are not

917
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: able to fight against another wizard, and Antiquity, this this

918
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: wizard god, will basically ensure that. I believe they start

919
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: getting mad at Omadon, and Antiquity starts causing like an

920
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: earthquake and dropping like giant stones near them and stuff

921
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: like that, so they can't do it. They cannot fight Omadon,

922
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: so they decided to use their magic to inspire a

923
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: quest to go take Omadon's Red Crown to to basically

924
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: destroy Omadon. So again with the wizarding laws, which will

925
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: come up, and we also stop to go, you know what,

926
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: just go with it, you know, when the wizarding laws

927
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: come up, we'll just go. Okay, that's the wizarding law.

928
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: I don't know this wizarding world. I'll take your word

929
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: for it. So another wizarding law says that a magic

930
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: quest must have three core members. Carolinas picks an old

931
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: knight that he knows, someone who he knows to be

932
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: trustworthy and brave, Sir orin Neville Smythe. He also picks

933
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: his dragon that we met at the very beginning, gore Bash,

934
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: who was young and perhaps a bit of foolhardy, but

935
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: very brave, very strong. So gore Bash the Green Dragon

936
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: he'll go to. But he doesn't know who to pick

937
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: as the leader. He he just he can't really figure

938
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: that out. So he goes later that night to talk

939
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: to Antiquity once again. This is like the wizard god

940
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: more or less, and it's represented by a silver tree

941
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: that just kind of grows out of the ground again,

942
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: just go with it. And Antiquity tells Carolinas that the

943
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: leader of the quest is in the future and that

944
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: he is Peter Dickinson. He is the correct choice for

945
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: this quest and the only choice for this quest because

946
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: he is the descendant of a great dragon master. But

947
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: he is also the first in this line that is

948
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: also a man of science. Carolinas is confused about this.

949
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know, you know, why do we

950
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: need that? But Antiquity is like, come on, I'm god,

951
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: you know, and he's like, all right, fine, fine, fine,

952
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: we'll do this. So so Carolinas is given a silver

953
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: acorn by Antiquity is silver tree, and he throws it

954
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: into a limpid pool under the direction of Antiquity, and

955
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: now he can see Peter Dickinson in the future. Specifically,

956
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: they say, I think it's like, um, they call it

957
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: like the the the final you know, death Rattle of

958
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: the twentieth century or however they phrase it. But anyway,

959
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: the end of the late twentieth century. So we can

960
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: assume it's probably two just like you know, just like

961
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: the it was made in. So we meet Peter. He

962
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: is developing a D and D style board game, old

963
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: Flight of Dragons, and he's showing it to a friend

964
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: of his who runs a pawn shop, and he's discussing, Oh,

965
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: I really want to get this game made, but money,

966
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: so maybe I can pawn this watch and the pawn

967
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: brokers like that watch isn't worth anything. And then he

968
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: also explains that he's also writing a book called Flight

969
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: of Dragons and that basically he's just obsessed with dragons.

970
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: He really wants to figure out how dragons fly, how

971
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: they breathe, fire, etcetera. He's just he's he's a dragon fanatic. However,

972
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: does not seem like really would be your first pick

973
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: to lead a an adventuring party into the heart of

974
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: darkness to stop an evil sorcerer. But Antiquity knows better

975
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: than we do. I guess yeah, because every character mentions that.

976
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: Every characters like, are you sure this guy you know?

977
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: And uh so yeah, uh. Peter and the pawn broker

978
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: are playing their D and D style board game together

979
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: and all the figures on the board are all of

980
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: Carolina's brothers and himself and Princess melissand and the dragons,

981
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: and he's like Okay, that's that's a pretty big sign

982
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 1: like something's going on here. I better come get this guy.

983
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: So he uses his magic. Uh now, now remember Carolinas

984
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: doesn't actually have a lot of magic these days, so

985
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: this is a pretty um this is this is an

986
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: expensive use of his magic to go get Peter in

987
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: the future and bring him back to his time. This

988
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: is where I mentioned is that really beautiful shot of

989
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: them both writing on top of a two of a

990
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: pair of dice and spinning through the air and then

991
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: they're falling. Blah blah blah. It's it's it's quite beautiful.

992
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's that. So we're now introduced to that

993
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: that they they go back in time. We we are

994
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: we are with them back in the Magical Age where

995
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: our story is, and we're introduced to a b story

996
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: where Peter is now in love with Carolina's daughter, Princess Melissandra.

997
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: Doesn't really affect the story, it's just it's a it's

998
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: a subplot. Don't really worry about it. It's just there. Uh.

999
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: So at this point, it turns out that almost all

1000
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: of the dragons have joined ohmadon because he used black

1001
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: magic on them. Uh. The only remaining dragons on the

1002
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: hero's side our gore Bash and Smurgle. Smurgle is gore

1003
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: Bash's elderly uncle. He's not quite as um spry, but

1004
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: he's he's he's very knowledgeable. So now Omadon has not

1005
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: only one fierce dragon, but also an entire army of

1006
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: dragons at his disposal. Yes, we will see later that

1007
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: the other two wizards still have control of Oh yeah,

1008
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: I guess we should mention this. Each of the four

1009
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: wizard brothers, each of the four colors, they each have

1010
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: their own more or less pet dragon, their familiar dragon. Um. However,

1011
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: the other two, the Gold Wizard and the Blue Wizard,

1012
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: there's don't join Ohmadon, And yet they don't. They also

1013
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: don't help, so I don't know why. Maybe they're just

1014
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: too far away. Who knows. They contribute magical items, That's

1015
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: that's true. We do get, of course, the magical items.

1016
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: This is actually my favorite parts of the movie, especially

1017
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: to me as a child. Peter as the fish out

1018
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: of water character, he makes a lot of discoveries throughout

1019
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: the film that kind of like defined like the cannon

1020
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 1: of being a dragon. You know, this was his goal.

1021
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: He wanted to learn more about dragons. Now he gets

1022
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: to do it firsthand, and so so now he gets

1023
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: to learn about this biology of dragons and how they work.

1024
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: And this will occur throughout the film, but I'll point

1025
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: them out as dragon Can in facts when they do

1026
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: so dragon Can in fact number one that he just

1027
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: kind of hears this in conversation amongst the dragons. A

1028
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: dragon having a horde of gold is a pretty common thing.

1029
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: It's it's in all the fantasy literature that you come across,

1030
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: whether it be a token or um oh gosh, what's

1031
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: his name, the guy that made the Chronicles of Narnia

1032
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: um C. S. Lewis. Yeah, a dragon's horde of gold

1033
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: is a pretty common thing. Why well, in this they

1034
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: describe that it's because dragons need somewhere soft to sleep

1035
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: that won't accidentally catch on fire, because even while they sleep,

1036
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: they could actually you know, spark it, you know, with

1037
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: their fire breath, and they just need somewhere that's you know, unflammable,

1038
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: not flammable. I love it, Yeah, I love it. Why not?

1039
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: I never I never thought about about this sort of

1040
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: thing before. When it comes to the gold, and this

1041
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: is you know, this is a perfect explanation. Granted, it

1042
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: does raise questions like why don't they sleep on lead

1043
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: and so forth? Gold is soft in addition to being

1044
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: shiny and prize, So I absolutely by yeah yeah, And um,

1045
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: I remember we mentioned this a long time ago about

1046
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: a child's love for learning cannon facts. I don't know

1047
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: what it is, but like like hearing, like the definitive

1048
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: version of like classic creatures, classic tales, et cetera, is

1049
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: something that children just love. Myself included, So therefore I

1050
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: I really loved these when when when I was watching

1051
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: this movie as a child, Yeah, yeah, my my son

1052
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: really started getting into the dragons at this point when

1053
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: when this film when they start explaining how they work

1054
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: within the context of the film. So, uh, Caroline, this

1055
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: before this big quest kicks off, he gives Peter two gifts. Um, now,

1056
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: these aren't really that important, but they do help in

1057
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: the trials later, so I got to mention them. One

1058
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: is the shield of Saturn, It's a big golden shield,

1059
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: and the other is the flute of Olympus. And uh yeah,

1060
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: these will aid in trials later, but don't worry about it. Meanwhile,

1061
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: Ohmadon sends his big dragon familiar to kill Peter and

1062
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: uh Carolinas tries to save him, but in using a

1063
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: magic spell, he accidentally merges Peter's mind into gore Bash's body.

1064
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: Gore Bash, if people remember, is the big green dragon

1065
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: from the beginning. So yes, our hero is now a

1066
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: giant dragon. So fun, right, Oh yeah, I think this

1067
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: is this is a point in the film where I

1068
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: think everything really picked up for us as viewers, because

1069
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: now we don't just have Peter the sort of fish

1070
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: out of water character. Now he is in the body

1071
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: of a dragon. So now all the things he's learning

1072
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: about dragons is also him trying to figure out how

1073
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: to function as a dragon, and it just makes everything

1074
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: a lot more entertaining. It's it's a great way to

1075
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: kind of like dole out some exposition. Is like you know,

1076
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: a newbie learning the ropes. It's it's it's great, and

1077
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: it it introduces a lot of room for comedy to like,

1078
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: oh am I doing it right, Oh no, I'm falling

1079
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: out of the sky and so forth. Exactly. But like

1080
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: we said, wizard laws dictate that there must be three

1081
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: members on a magic quest, and now, since two of

1082
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: our members are merged into one, Peter and Gore Bash.

1083
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: We were back to two again. We need a third member,

1084
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: so we have the Night we have Peter in gore

1085
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: Bash's body, and so Smurgle, the elderly dragon, joins the

1086
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: quest to make up for that lost member. So we're

1087
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: back to three again. The magic Quest can begin. So

1088
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: on the quest, Smuggle is now instructing Dragon Peter on

1089
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: how to be a dragon, so we get more dragon

1090
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: can in facts. I love these, this one's fun. I

1091
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: really enjoyed this. So dragon can In fact number two,

1092
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: dragons eat dime and to get them into their craw.

1093
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: In the film, we see them actually like bullying some

1094
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: dwarves to make them look for them to bring them

1095
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: out giant sacks full of diamonds, and then they just

1096
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: gobble them up right away. Peter actually feels a little

1097
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: bad about this. Uh so so so so picture that

1098
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: a dragon eats a sack full of diamonds, puts it

1099
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: in his craw much like a bird, and then they

1100
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: start to eat limestone, which will then be ground up

1101
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: by the diamonds, much like a bird uses a grit

1102
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: to grind up feed because they don't have teeth. Okay,

1103
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: so limestone is high in calcium, which mixes with the

1104
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: stomach acid to create hydrogen. So then hydrogen is lighter

1105
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: than air and expands their bodies, giving them that chunky

1106
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: look and giving them their ability to fly. Uh much

1107
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: in the same way a blimp does. Yes, Oh my goodness,

1108
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: I absolutely love this. And again this is this is

1109
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: out of the book as well, that the dragons of

1110
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: the Flight of Dragons are essentially hydrogen airships, self powered

1111
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: hydrogen airships. It's fatuous. So so that's where the wings

1112
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: factor in and their long like snakelike bodies or I

1113
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: should say, you know, lizard like either way. That that's

1114
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: how they propel themselves, is with these wings much like

1115
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: an airplane, much like a blimp. Yeah, just just uh,

1116
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: they are just floating and then they're their appendages, their wings, tails, arms, whatever,

1117
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: that's what actually guides them through the air. Um, So

1118
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: how are they going to get down? That's an important

1119
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: aspect of this. They need to expel the hydrogen. So

1120
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: for a dragon, expelling the hydrogen is done by breathing fire.

1121
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: Now they don't fully explain this in the movie, but

1122
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: I think the logic of my mind goes, you need

1123
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: to can't just be like a balloon letting off hydrogen,

1124
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: because if that's the case, it'll push you in a

1125
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: different direction because they'll be forced coming out. What you

1126
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,959
Speaker 1: need is a way to expel it in a controlled way,

1127
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: which is why they ignite the expelled hydrogen to breathe fire.

1128
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: Doesn't quite make sense in my mind, but that's they

1129
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: don't really explain it either. Um. In fact, Peter asks Smurgle,

1130
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: he goes, wait, so why is it fire? He's like,

1131
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: because we're dragon sweet breathe fire. Uh now, but here

1132
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: this is a part I love. Um. Smurgle explains that

1133
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: the hydrogen is ignited because dragons have something in their

1134
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,479
Speaker 1: mouth known as a thor's thimble. It's in the roof

1135
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: of their mouth and has the ability to spark, and

1136
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: we'll basically ignite the hydrogen much like an electric stove

1137
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: ignites you know, gas. And that's fun too. More dragon facts. Yeah, yeah,

1138
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: this this is all all pretty fabulous. And I didn't

1139
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: even think about the potential plot holes in any of it,

1140
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: because it was just while watching the film you're just

1141
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: completely like, oh my good, this this is it. Yes,

1142
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: I buy it. And then you have the fun banter

1143
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: between the the dragon mentor and Peter and dragon form

1144
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: because he keeps asking obsessive science leaning questions and the

1145
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: answers are often along the lines of cause we're dragons.

1146
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: Smurgle has not thought about this very much, and he's

1147
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: okay with that. Peter should think less about this, so

1148
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: says Smurgle, Yeah, don't don't think about it, just do it.

1149
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: Just fly. So at this point, basically this turns into

1150
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: a D and D campaign. That's the that's the remainder

1151
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,959
Speaker 1: of this movie. There's that really much to talk about

1152
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: from from from pure on out, so we'll go through

1153
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: it quickly. But um. Along the way, they face various

1154
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: trials and meet new allies that joined them. One ally

1155
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: is named ag that's the wolf character we talked about. Um.

1156
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: He's an undead talking wolf. They describe it briefly, but

1157
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: basically he he drowned and then one of the wizards

1158
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, if you do me this favor, I'll

1159
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: bring you back to life, and so he does. He

1160
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: comes back and saves our heroes, which just works. Another

1161
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: is dan Yell of the Woodlands. She's a very skilled

1162
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: archer and warrior. Another one is Giles of the Tree Tops.

1163
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: He's the leader of the wood elves. They all join

1164
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: that this this magic quest, and the part he looks

1165
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: more and more token as time passes, you know. Uh,

1166
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: there's a variety of trials they go through. There are

1167
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: these sonic rat things which were really beautiful. They were

1168
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: just kind of these odd like goblin rats that let

1169
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: off a real high pitched noise that drove the listener

1170
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: um to be very ill tempered, and uh, they had

1171
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: to destroy them. It was fascinating. Oh that that sequence

1172
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: was great because I didn't really know what was going

1173
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: to happen. I wasn't sure what they kind of they

1174
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: presented this threat slowly and you're not sure what you

1175
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,439
Speaker 1: know either're about to run into something, but you can't

1176
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: really tell what it is. And then yeah, it's it's

1177
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: this weird concept of screeching um rat things that like

1178
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: destroy your mind and so forth. It was done very

1179
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: well and very fun to watch. The next trial I

1180
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: also really enjoyed it was this ogre. Oh, this ogre

1181
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: other than Ohmadon was probably my favorite thing to look at,

1182
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: just just beautifully depicted. And they also threw in some

1183
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: like fun ogre facts about like why ogres are like

1184
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: so sturdy and kind of him almost invincible in many ways.

1185
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: And a big part of it I really loved was

1186
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: that Ogres have very very thick bones that they don't

1187
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: have much flesh. Most of their body is boned, and

1188
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's fun, like just picturing that

1189
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: ogre skeleton in my mind. You know. He also has

1190
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,919
Speaker 1: three eyes, but only two are functional. I love. Yeah,

1191
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: the one of the one in the middle of his

1192
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: head is is his additional eye, but one of his

1193
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,919
Speaker 1: like traditional eyes, I believe it was his left eye,

1194
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: was was gone. So it's just just gorgeous, really gorgeous,

1195
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: real meaty fella, you know. Uh. Then then there's this

1196
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: worm thing, also very beautiful to look at, but it

1197
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: is pretty quickly dispatched. Um. And then um. Then Ohmadon's

1198
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: get involved because they're getting much closer to his home base,

1199
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: and he casts this doubt spell that basically just makes

1200
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 1: everyone depressed and everyone just has imposter syndrome like, oh,

1201
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm no good, you know, And that's that's pretty fun.

1202
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: They overcome that, um along with this giant dragon swarm

1203
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: by uh, let's see here, what's what's the order of it.

1204
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: I believe the doubt spell is dispelled by the magic

1205
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: shield that he was given earlier. And then there's a

1206
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: giant dragon swarm that comes soon after that, and that's

1207
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: dispelled by the magic flute, which the the gosh, the

1208
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: the wood Elf. He he plays the magic flute, and

1209
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: this makes all the dragons fall asleep, including Peter, you know,

1210
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: because he's like, hey, we gotta do this quick play

1211
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: that flute, I know to make me fall asleep. But

1212
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: it's got to happen, you know. This, This is this

1213
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: is weird how this one lined up because we watched

1214
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: My son and I watched this film while we were

1215
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: also watching the new season of The Dragon Prints. Both

1216
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: of these have plot elements involving magical musical instruments that

1217
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: put dragons to sleep. Nice nice yeah uh so uh

1218
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: this this works. And then we're into the final battle.

1219
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: Now here's where it's gonna begin. With Peter facing off

1220
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: against Ahmadon, and the first thing he does is he

1221
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: breaks the spell of his dragon merge through logic, so

1222
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: when he falls asleep, basically when he awakens, he's man

1223
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: Peter again. And someone asked him like, how did you

1224
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: do that? He's like, oh, well, two objects, can't you know?

1225
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: Occupy the same space. That's just logic, So I logic

1226
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: my way out of that dragon. Everyone's like all right,

1227
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, sure, but but at this point it's just

1228
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: Peter the human against Ohmadon, this all powerful wizard. So

1229
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: already this is a point where we're suddenly I feel

1230
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: like an uncharted territory because that we were setting everything

1231
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: up for more of a traditional high fantasy battle and

1232
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: now we're somewhere else like uh, like all the big

1233
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: flight of dragons has been put to sleep. Um, and

1234
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: let's see, have we I think we've at this point

1235
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: lost a few characters as well. Right, yes, some folks

1236
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: have have definitely not worked out, you know. Yeah, there's

1237
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: a scene where our our our night bites it battling

1238
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: a dragon, the big bad dragon that serves Omadon. Uh,

1239
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: there's a we we lose our archer. We I think

1240
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: we also lose our wood Elf. I think he gets

1241
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: thrown against a a a stone cliff and is at

1242
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: least passed out, if not dead. Yeah, so they're at

1243
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: any rate, they're all taken out of the equation. So

1244
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: instead of getting this continuation of the fantasy battle that

1245
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: we seem to have been setting up, it is this

1246
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: standoff between a sorcerer and a game design and uh,

1247
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: first of all, Omadon erupts into this giant, multiheaded dragon

1248
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: and it's the prettiest thing of this whole movie. It's

1249
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: so so beautiful, Like, Ohmadon looks cool when he was

1250
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: just the red Wizard. Now he is a he's a

1251
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: red Wizard hydra. Like It's yeah, it's gorgeous. I love, love,

1252
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: love the look of this then, but it's also perfect

1253
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: because it's so nonsensical, it's so chaotic. It's like he

1254
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: is because basically this becomes a standoff between logic and

1255
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: um and chaotic imagination. And so it makes sense that

1256
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: Ohmadon would just defy all logic and just be this

1257
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: swirling amalgam of humanoid and dragon features. Yeah, and and

1258
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: so since the only tool that you can fight uh

1259
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: chaos with is logic, that's what Peter does. Peter just

1260
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: starts basically talking his way out of this battle uh

1261
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: much in the same way that like, oh, let's say

1262
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: Sarah you know, talks her way out of u uh

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Speaker 1: Jariff and Labyrinth or um I forget that the protagonist's

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Speaker 1: name and nightmare on Elm Streets where she's like, I'm

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Speaker 1: not afraid of you. You know. It's just like that

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Speaker 1: that simple thing of just like, hey, your power rests

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01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: in this If I you know, you have no power

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Speaker 1: over me. If you just kind of declare it, you

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Speaker 1: get to you get to kind of just like move on.

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Speaker 1: So that's what he does. He just starts like quoting

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Speaker 1: scientific principles and equation and then he starts listening like

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Speaker 1: like just different branches of scientific study and just and

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Speaker 1: it works. It just kind of knocks knocks the wizard

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Speaker 1: down one by one. One of my favorites. There are

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Speaker 1: many examples of like him just like kind of like

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Speaker 1: spouting book learning at this wizard to kind of like

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Speaker 1: make him kind of lose power. My favorite was that

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Speaker 1: Omadon was like calling on the power of the sun

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Speaker 1: and and um Peter's response was like every child knows

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Speaker 1: that it takes this long. I think he says eight

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Speaker 1: minutes for the sun Sun's raised to travel to the Earth,

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Speaker 1: So you're not even calling upon the sun. You're calling

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Speaker 1: upon where the sun was eight minutes ago. And Obadon's like, Watts, No, No,

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Speaker 1: the Sun's right there. And it's it's fun. Things like

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Speaker 1: that and ultimately without even like you know, laying a

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Speaker 1: single blow. Peter beats Omadon with just logic, you know,

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Speaker 1: just saying science terms out loud, and yet it it

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Speaker 1: works so well. Like, for instance, the Labyrinth scene I

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01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 1: think is a is a great comparison. I have no power,

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Speaker 1: you have no power over me thing with Sarah and Jared,

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01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: and yet I'd never have I love Labyrinth, but there

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01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: there I have questions about various things in the plot,

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Speaker 1: and that whole scene never felt completely earned for me,

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Speaker 1: Whereas in this film, I feel like they do a

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Speaker 1: great job of of laying everything out, Like for instance,

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Speaker 1: there's the whole scene part of it where Omadon is

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Speaker 1: just you know, calling upon forces of darkness, saying these

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Speaker 1: evil sounding magic words, some sort of incantation in Peter's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have incantations too, and he's like, bam, he equals

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Speaker 1: MC squared and so forth, and like these are actually

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01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: like hurting Omadon, Like the logic is cutting into him

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Speaker 1: and taking away his power. Yeah, No, it's earned and

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01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: it works. It's it's a fun little ending. So so

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Speaker 1: he doesn't he beats Omadon, he is destroyed, turns into

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01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: just dust on the ground. It's mostly a visual scenes,

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01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: so we can't really go through it entirely. But then

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Speaker 1: Peter is sent back a modern Boston and he's back

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Speaker 1: where he left off. He's back in the pawnbroker shop

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Speaker 1: with his friend playing his D and D game that

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Speaker 1: he invented. Um Now, remember earlier, way in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: Peter wanted to pawn his watch so he could get

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Speaker 1: his board game created. Well, now suddenly he has the

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Speaker 1: Shield of Saturn with him, this big golden shield, and

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01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, pawnbroker, how about this? And he's like, wow,

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Speaker 1: this is great. This will give you so much money

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Speaker 1: you could You'll be able to do whatever you want,

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Speaker 1: you know. And then here here's the nice part where

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Speaker 1: it all ties up Melissan to the princess, the daughter

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Speaker 1: of um Uh Carolina's. She enters the pawn shop in

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Speaker 1: this modern world because she has fallen in love with Peter,

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Speaker 1: and she brought Omadon's crown with her and she pawns

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Speaker 1: that too, and it's like, hey, now he gets love.

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Speaker 1: Also yea the end, that's the end of the movie.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's so good. I deny all magic Uh

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Speaker 1: was another one of the rallying cries of Peter in

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Speaker 1: the final battle. Huh, and there's it's it's it's a

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01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: fun thing because the balance between I love magic and

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01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: magic isn't real is really on display here. And then

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Speaker 1: that's that's why they needed Peter. He was a guy

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Speaker 1: that loved dragons and really cared about magic and had

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Speaker 1: a great knowledge for it, but also knew the science

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Speaker 1: and so therefore he could both respect the magic as

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01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: well as cut it down a peg. But I think

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Speaker 1: I like, almost ultimately Carolinas like sealed his own fate

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01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: by inviting Peter into his realm, because in many ways

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Speaker 1: that what he didn't want to happen happened very quickly,

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Speaker 1: which was that that science destroyed magic. Yeah, but they

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Speaker 1: get their magic refuge where they get to keep all

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01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: their magical creatures running around. Yes, yes, so you know

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's not an unhappy ending for them as well.

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Speaker 1: It works out. I do want to also point out,

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Speaker 1: because I'm always a sucker for these sorts of scenes,

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01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: when Omanon is finally defeated, he does like sort of

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Speaker 1: shrink and melt and then wither away to nothing, turns

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: to dust and blows away in the wind, and it's

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01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: a fabulous animated sequence. Good stuff, good stuff all around.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's this movie. Yeah, The Flight of Dragons. Yeah,

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01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: just just a real delight. This one I think holds

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Speaker 1: up so well. Like I said, I didn't. I had

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01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: never seen it before, so I didn't have anything to

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Speaker 1: compare it to in in my memory, though it it

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01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: did resonate with my love for these other pictures from

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01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: this time period, like the Ranking and Pass Hobbit film.

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01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: If you're a D and D person, not only will

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Speaker 1: you recognize basically the structure of this, but you'll also

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Speaker 1: probably really enjoy it. Yeah. All right, Well, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go and close this one out here, but we'd love

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Speaker 1: to hear from everyone out there, especially for those of

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Speaker 1: you who, like se have definite childhood memories of the

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Speaker 1: Flight of Dragons. If you want to share how or

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01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 1: when you saw this for the first time and what

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Speaker 1: your impressions were, right in, we'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: Uh And if you're like me, if you just for

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01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: the first time as an adult or or recently introduced

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01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: a child to it, uh, right in and let us

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01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: know how that went. A reminder that stuff to Blow

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Speaker 1: Your Mind is primarily a science podcast, but every Friday

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01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: we set aside most serious concerns. You just talk about

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Speaker 1: a weird film in Weird House Cinema. If you want

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Speaker 1: to follow the various films that we cover on Weird

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Speaker 1: House Cinema, well, um, I mean they're all on the feed,

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Speaker 1: but also I blog about them at summuna music dot com,

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Speaker 1: and I also list all of them on our Letterboxed profile.

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Speaker 1: T T E R b O x D. You can

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Speaker 1: look us up. We're Our user name is weird House.

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Speaker 1: There have all the films that we've watched so far,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes there'll be a peek ahead at what's coming next. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of all this, of course, Seth is not just

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Speaker 1: the producer of Stuff to Blow your Mind. He is

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Speaker 1: also a podcast host. Uh tell us what's happening right

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Speaker 1: now on Rusty Needles Record Club. Yes, Rusty Needles Record Club.

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Speaker 1: It is a book club, but for music instead. It's

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Speaker 1: a weekly podcast to find out wherever you find your

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01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: favorite podcasts. Now. Um, this week we are doing Grace

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Speaker 1: some really good music recommendations, check out Rusty Needles Record Club.

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01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,360
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