Speaker 1: What's that ad? It's spooky, Hey, Joky, I'm really sure
Speaker 1: it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute, he said,
Speaker 1: I was Nandas. Please Hey boo, it's me Roz and
Speaker 1: welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I
Speaker 1: talk to people that I like about the freaky, dicky,
Speaker 1: spooky cooky, paranormal Happy New Year. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: I got to talk to my favorite stand up comedian,
Speaker 1: Margaret Chow once again. She was on before and she
Speaker 1: had story after story. I believe that was at the
Speaker 1: beginning of twenty twenty four years ago. Now, oh my god,
Speaker 1: right before all that other stuff happened. Wow, has the
Speaker 1: world changed. But go back and listen if you want
Speaker 1: to hear some of her stories. And then she comes
Speaker 1: on again and I'm like, oh, you know, she probably
Speaker 1: probably ran out of stories. Now she got more. So
Speaker 1: we're going to get into that. First. I'm going to
Speaker 1: look through my email ghosted by Rows at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Oh what do we got here? An email from Kayla.
Speaker 1: Kayla's got a story about Tonapa, Nevada, a place that
Speaker 1: I was at not that long ago. And boy, can
Speaker 1: I tell you that place is spooky, okay. Kayla writes
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, my coworker and I were
Speaker 1: staying at a hotel in Tonapa for work. We had
Speaker 1: two rooms on the second floor, near the back of
Speaker 1: the building, and this was our first and only time
Speaker 1: staying at this particular place. I can't explain why, but
Speaker 1: it immediately felt like there was a presence in the room,
Speaker 1: like I was in someone else's space. All week, I
Speaker 1: kept noticing little things misplaced around the room. I thought
Speaker 1: I plugged in my phone charger and a few minutes
Speaker 1: later it would be sitting in the middle of the bed,
Speaker 1: or the refrigerator would be unplugged. When I got back
Speaker 1: from work. That plug wouldn't easily fall out of the wall.
Speaker 1: You had to put some force behind it. The bathroom
Speaker 1: was set up so the shower and toilet were in
Speaker 1: a separate room, and the bathroom sink was in an
Speaker 1: alcove right outside the door. When taking a shower, I
Speaker 1: usually put my towel and clothes on the back of
Speaker 1: the toilet, but one day, as I was getting out
Speaker 1: of the shower, my clothes and towel weren't there. Instead,
Speaker 1: they were sitting on the sink on the other side
Speaker 1: of the door. Did I just forget another morning? I
Speaker 1: heard someone making coffee. If I didn't know better, it
Speaker 1: seemed as though the sounds of bubbling water and coffee
Speaker 1: dripping into the pot were coming from my room. The
Speaker 1: walls are thin, But are they that thin? I thought?
Speaker 1: I brushed it all off, thinking I was just being forgetful,
Speaker 1: or there was some other logical explanation. On the final
Speaker 1: night of ours stay, my coworker and I were in
Speaker 1: my room watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Suddenly we both
Speaker 1: did a double take towards the back corner of the room.
Speaker 1: Did we see a shadow? We were quiet for a
Speaker 1: moment until he turned to me and asked, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about this place? The look on my face
Speaker 1: set it all strange. Things had been happening to him
Speaker 1: all week, two phones and appliances being unplugged, feelings of
Speaker 1: being watched. He told me he had brought a ballot
Speaker 1: to fill out for one of our local elections, and
Speaker 1: that he sealed and delivered the envelope, only to come
Speaker 1: back to his room and find the ballot itself sitting
Speaker 1: on the table. Did he accidentally mail an empty envelope
Speaker 1: or can we blame a ghost? Fast forward to a
Speaker 1: few months later. I was in town for work again
Speaker 1: and my boyfriend was visiting me. He specifically requested to
Speaker 1: stay at the Haunted Hotel after hearing my story. We
Speaker 1: were in a different corner of the building and nothing
Speaker 1: out of the ordinary happened. But during checkout, my boyfriend
Speaker 1: was making small talk with the receptionist and asked if
Speaker 1: there were any reports of hauntings or if anyone had
Speaker 1: died in the hotel. We learned that several years prior,
Speaker 1: there had been a tragic death in the room I
Speaker 1: stayed in. I had not yet mentioned my experience to
Speaker 1: the receptionist or what room I was in the last
Speaker 1: time I stayed. There was definitely a ghost. A ghost
Speaker 1: that also interferes with elections. Now that is something that
Speaker 1: I have never considered that it could. Could it be
Speaker 1: ghosts tampering with ballots? Fascinating stuff. Hey, I got to
Speaker 1: talk to Margaret show and now I want you to
Speaker 1: listen to it. Here's my conversation once again with Margaret
Speaker 1: Chow and with the show. I am joined by a
Speaker 1: repeat customer, truly my favorite comedian of all time. The
Speaker 1: most important comedian in history. To me, I am so
Speaker 1: honored to have back the legendary Margaret Chow.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, Hi, I'm so honored to be back. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Ros Oh are you I'm doing great. I'm really enjoying
Speaker 2: living for the ditch.
Speaker 1: An, what do you think? Tell me you're so good?
Speaker 2: You're so good and all of your people there, you know,
Speaker 2: Juju and Logan and Alex and Ken. I mean that
Speaker 2: you guys are really a wonderful crew because you very
Speaker 2: much all serve different purposes. I love that you're so
Speaker 2: Daphni like, like you're giving very much Daphne. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure who's Velma. Maybe Ken's Velma.
Speaker 1: Yes, we've definitely gone over this before with us. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think Logan's maybe Scooby. Yeah, yeah, we've got the
Speaker 1: whole crew there. But I'm like, you know, you got
Speaker 1: to turn a look like.
Speaker 2: No, the looks are really anchoring me. But it's also
Speaker 2: really scary some of the people in places that you encounter,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's a serious ghost hunting show. It's
Speaker 2: not just you guys being fabulous, you're actually like doing
Speaker 2: the thing. It's really scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god, thanks for watching.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Have you been ghost hunting?
Speaker 2: I have gone on a couple of ghost hunts. My
Speaker 2: friend Pleasant Game and she's one of my best.
Speaker 1: Friends mutual mutual friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lover, she's a genius. She's a psychic and she's
Speaker 2: a ghost hunter. And we went on a ghost hunt
Speaker 2: for our other best friends, Selene.
Speaker 1: Luna's mutual friend Lover.
Speaker 2: Yes, our crew, our little coven. We went on a
Speaker 2: ghost hunt for her bachelor party and it was really
Speaker 2: very interesting because I'd never been in one where we
Speaker 2: actually had all of the little equipment and stuff that
Speaker 2: always scares me, like an EVP, I think is the
Speaker 2: most scary thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. I have talked to Selene and
Speaker 1: Pleasant about this experience because I've gone ghost hunting in
Speaker 1: that basement of Casino del Campo many times, and it's
Speaker 1: believed that there's two ghosts down there. They have never
Speaker 1: been interested in talking to me. Really, these two ghosts,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about me, but they
Speaker 1: don't care about me. But that one in particular, I
Speaker 1: was told Selene told me that the ghosts wanted a margarita.
Speaker 1: Is what the EVP said.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, given one margarita they'll pierce the veil,
Speaker 2: give me two margaritas. I think that's great.
Speaker 1: Drew Drogi, the actor comedian, was down there doing a
Speaker 1: show with me and said that he heard a little girl.
Speaker 1: They say, there's a little girl down there, and he
Speaker 1: heard a little girl say I want socks. So they
Speaker 1: want socks and margarita's.
Speaker 2: That is an interesting combination. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 2: always much more scary when it's a child ghost. I
Speaker 2: know there's something very sinister. Maybe it's the unrealized potential
Speaker 2: and that maybe a child may also not recognize that
Speaker 2: it's dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that if they do or not,
Speaker 1: they are there looking for fun at all times. They're
Speaker 1: looking for wonder excitement. You know, kids don't have boundaries
Speaker 1: the way that an adult might. They might just like
Speaker 1: touch you. They might start laughing and giggling about some shit.
Speaker 1: They might start singing songs out of nowhere. That to
Speaker 1: me like the uninhibited, like just no boundaries, do whatever
Speaker 1: you want. That's too scary for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something about that. It's like it's always a
Speaker 2: plot point in a lot of like kind of haunted films.
Speaker 2: And I think it's just also that children are very
Speaker 2: psychic by their nature, and I think when I was
Speaker 2: a little kid too, Like, there's things that I believe
Speaker 2: that I saw as a kid which were legitimate ghost sightings,
Speaker 2: but I think my mind closed off to it a
Speaker 2: little bit later.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, what did you see as a child?
Speaker 2: Well, I saw a couple of things when I was
Speaker 2: a really little kid. And I remember being in my
Speaker 2: family home. I was maybe seven or eight years old,
Speaker 2: and I was in bed, and it was middle of
Speaker 2: the night, and I was looking at the hallway and
Speaker 2: there was a man sitting in the hallway reading a newspaper.
Speaker 2: And he didn't look like he was like from like
Speaker 2: the thirties or something like. He was like a hat
Speaker 2: on and a suit and a just full businessman reading
Speaker 2: a newspaper. Like he was just so weird see through
Speaker 2: see through? Okay, it was like but also not legitimately
Speaker 2: a ghost because it wasn't trying to scare me. He
Speaker 2: was just reading the paper, you know. And I couldn't
Speaker 2: read what the paper read, or I couldn't see when
Speaker 2: he was reading. I didn't see the headline or anything.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Then when he closed the paper, he
Speaker 2: looked up at me and then he disappeared. And so
Speaker 2: that's one thing that I remember when I was really
Speaker 2: like a little kid, and from then on, I insisted
Speaker 2: that my mother leave the hallway light on when we
Speaker 2: were going to bed, like there was just no way
Speaker 2: that I was going to let it be dark. But
Speaker 2: also my mother had a grand belief in ghosts because
Speaker 2: Koreans generally don't think that life ends at death, which
Speaker 2: I think is like everybody, but they're very practical about it,
Speaker 2: like we have. Our Thanksgiving is basically when you make
Speaker 2: offerings to people who have died, almost like an a
Speaker 2: frienda like a table where you have these little offerings
Speaker 2: for the people to remember them, but you would like
Speaker 2: include their favorite foods, but you don't have to prepare
Speaker 2: all the food. You can just make like a styrofoam
Speaker 2: ball and then stick the food on it to make
Speaker 2: it seem like there's a lot because they're not going
Speaker 2: to eat it. They just want you to go through
Speaker 2: the effort.
Speaker 1: They're not going to actually check. Yeah. I get that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's sweet if you put the effort in. I
Speaker 1: get that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always want to do one for my friends who
Speaker 2: have died, the people that have read me psychically in
Speaker 2: this house say that all of my spirits around me
Speaker 2: are basically old Korean people, like my Korean ancestors, and
Speaker 2: then drug addicts who are kind of not sure they're
Speaker 2: dead yet they've just died. So I have a lot
Speaker 2: of people in my life who have passed away due
Speaker 2: to the fentanel and so they're all here too, kind
Speaker 2: of crowding for space.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they like all can communicate with
Speaker 1: each other, like the older Korean people and like your friends,
Speaker 1: and do you think that they're working as a team.
Speaker 1: I always wonder that about myself.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what the psychics, the two psychics that I've
Speaker 2: talked to have said is that they're actually trying to
Speaker 2: shout over each other, and that oftentimes the drug addict
Speaker 2: will sort of muscle in where the old Asian people
Speaker 2: are like you, like you used to having the space. Well, no,
Speaker 2: we want to tell her this. We she needs to
Speaker 2: know this though, And so it's a funny combination of
Speaker 2: people in the afterlife who are kind of trying to
Speaker 2: talk to me. Just a really sweet collection of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I love that. Like I personally, I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: loss is hard and but like I do like to
Speaker 1: feel when somebody passes, like, all right, you get to
Speaker 1: now you get to meet the other people that are
Speaker 1: with me. I guess, yeah, of course. I'm always like
Speaker 1: there are some rules. There's times when you guys you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to watch, like you guys got to turn
Speaker 1: not at all times. But when I you know, when
Speaker 1: the fun stuff come on board, let's do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that there's like one person that for me
Speaker 2: was really important and she was somebody that I grew
Speaker 2: up with and she was my best friend, and she
Speaker 2: was the person that was prettier than me, funnier than me,
Speaker 2: smarter than me, had a better singing voice than me,
Speaker 2: everything better than me. And bitch, now she's deader than me,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I feel actually very safe with
Speaker 2: death because she's over there. So I kind of feel
Speaker 2: like a sense like, oh, she's very close. And after
Speaker 2: she died, it was kind of like, I guess it's
Speaker 2: not so bad, you know, It's just like she's my sister.
Speaker 2: So that's the one person that if I could actually
Speaker 2: reach her through a ouiji bord or whatever, that's the
Speaker 2: person I would probably talk to and I would know
Speaker 2: if it was her or not, because she's very distinctive.
Speaker 1: Right, when do you think about like going to a
Speaker 1: psychic or something you've got all these people, is that
Speaker 1: when they're pushing through to try to like I want
Speaker 1: to talk to the psychic or like, how does that
Speaker 1: usually go for you? I did see when you were
Speaker 1: on Tyler Henry and we talked about that the last
Speaker 1: time you were on, And I mean it did seem
Speaker 1: like there was ancestors and Robin Williams came through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you guys were doing that, do you remember was
Speaker 1: there like a lot of other people too, or yeah?
Speaker 2: It was mostly ancestors. Mostly, I think the women and
Speaker 2: my family who finally have a voice for me, because
Speaker 2: a lot of times in Korean culture, women become very
Speaker 2: invisible as they got older, and so I think a
Speaker 2: lot of the women in my family had a lot
Speaker 2: invested in the fact that I was able to break
Speaker 2: out of that, and so they were sort of making
Speaker 2: their presence known. There's a couple of people in that,
Speaker 2: as my grandmother and my aunt both are huge presences.
Speaker 2: Whenever I get a reading, they're always kind of front
Speaker 2: and center. And then now my friend who died, Jerry
Speaker 2: her name's Jerry. She's very much a big part of
Speaker 2: that too, So they're all kind of clashing with each other,
Speaker 2: which is really fun.
Speaker 1: I wanted to follow up from the last time you
Speaker 1: were on about the house that you live in. You
Speaker 1: were talking about there was like a dog goes possibly
Speaker 1: or maybe two dog goes and a woman goes. Have
Speaker 1: they been around at all?
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, I moved my two beloved dogs ashes into
Speaker 2: a beautiful place of prominence in the room that we're
Speaker 2: in right now, and since I did that, I've definitely
Speaker 2: felt like more of their presence around. I think that, well,
Speaker 2: this house is definitely haunted. When I first moved in
Speaker 2: over twenty three years ago, I saw the dog that
Speaker 2: lived here before, who had died the day the previous
Speaker 2: owners moved out.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah.
Speaker 2: Really old. Her name was Tyler and she was twenty
Speaker 2: one years old, which is really incredible. And she would
Speaker 2: sit outside in this little area by the door, and
Speaker 2: I saw her the day that I moved in. They'd
Speaker 2: moved out, and I was like, Oh, that's so strange
Speaker 2: that she's here. They must still be here. And then
Speaker 2: when I talked to the owners, they said, oh no, no,
Speaker 2: she died and it was so crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh that's sad, though, where are they?
Speaker 2: I know you didn't want to leave?
Speaker 1: Who's this bitch? She's like, what's going on?
Speaker 2: But also whenever you know these other dogs, my dog's
Speaker 2: many dogs who I've had over time, but the two
Speaker 2: beautiful dogs from my life when they passed on. When
Speaker 2: I walked through the house, I could feel warm spots
Speaker 2: on the hardwood floor where presumably an animal had been sleeping.
Speaker 2: Of course they were not here. Or sometimes I would
Speaker 2: see in the tile like two little condensation marks, like
Speaker 2: nose somebody was breathing there, little dog nose marks, but
Speaker 2: they were not there. So it's beautiful. I love that
Speaker 2: I got to sort of make a little place for
Speaker 2: them here in the house. And you know, I think
Speaker 2: I've come to really appreciate the presences here in house.
Speaker 2: There's a woman goes to who I have not seen
Speaker 2: or not not necessarily felt. Really, but that's another thing.
Speaker 2: The psychics have told me that she's here, which were
Speaker 2: roommates were very comfortable together.
Speaker 1: Do you go to psychics a lot?
Speaker 2: I just happened to get the free readings on Sometimes
Speaker 2: I get on like the Long Island Medium and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I've gotten like really great free reading. I have
Speaker 2: not gone, but I've been offered things or people want
Speaker 2: to read, and I'm like so willing.
Speaker 1: So whoaa wait, have you met Teresa Caputo, the Long
Speaker 1: Island Medium? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: Yes, we've done a reading and this was right after
Speaker 2: Jerry died and it was really amazing, and so we
Speaker 2: did one. It was over the internet, so we didn't
Speaker 2: actually meet in person. But she's just wonderful, Like she's
Speaker 2: just a really cool psychic and I really enjoyed our reading.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, tell me everything.
Speaker 2: She's just fabulous. She's just like you know, she she
Speaker 2: just gets it, like she's just so very much her
Speaker 2: in her own style of reading. And it's really, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's so interesting. I just I really admire her.
Speaker 1: I admire well, first of all, the nails and the
Speaker 1: hair very much. Yes, but yes, I've talked to several
Speaker 1: people that have been to her and Tyler Henry, and
Speaker 1: they both told me very great things about their accuracy
Speaker 1: and the way that they do it. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: dream guests. One of these days, I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: to Teresa Caputo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she would love you, and she's just really warm
Speaker 2: and exactly like you think she's going to be, you know,
Speaker 2: and she's got she's like reading from her home, which
Speaker 2: is like absolutely you know that sort of like Long
Speaker 2: Island palace. It's very perfect, and I just really I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed my time with her. Anti Lie Tyler is
Speaker 2: really interesting too, because he's so beautiful, like he's such
Speaker 2: a beautiful angelic person, and then he kind of comes
Speaker 2: over and then he just really comes alive with another
Speaker 2: part of his being that's just so remarkable. So I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed that. I've also had a great reading from
Speaker 2: this woman who she was on a psychic thing with Gooper.
Speaker 2: Her name is Laura Lynn Jackson. She was really like wild.
Speaker 2: She was so accurate with every kind of detail and
Speaker 2: things and dates, and that was almost more of like
Speaker 2: a future reading as opposed to what would end up
Speaker 2: being like a ghost sort of or like seeing spirits
Speaker 2: around you, So not really a medium but more like
Speaker 2: a psychic.
Speaker 1: Okay, have you like compared notes or anything or been
Speaker 1: able to see if the things have happened or come
Speaker 1: true yet?
Speaker 2: Well, well, person that I found the most able to
Speaker 2: do that was actually the pet psychic. She had a
Speaker 2: reading where she kind of talks and voices to the
Speaker 2: I have three cats and a dog, and she got
Speaker 2: to settle a lot of arguments between all my pets.
Speaker 2: And then she actually had me move some of the
Speaker 2: beds around to make it more comfortable for these pets,
Speaker 2: and they immediately took to them. So it's really incredible.
Speaker 2: There's one of my cats, she's like, oh, you should
Speaker 2: sing to her, and that was so right on, like
Speaker 2: the prescription to make this cat so happy. So I
Speaker 2: just sing to her all the time. And as soon
Speaker 2: as I start singing, she rubs her face on the ground.
Speaker 2: She's so like, she shows me her belly's so happy.
Speaker 2: It's really cute.
Speaker 1: Haang u. Okay, this needs to be a TV show,
Speaker 1: But like, I want to see this woman doing like
Speaker 1: a doctor Phil style show where you have like someone
Speaker 1: that has multiple animals and she settles the arguments between
Speaker 1: the two of them, yes, and tells us what their
Speaker 1: problems are with each other. I would watch the shit
Speaker 1: out of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a cool thing to witness somebody kind
Speaker 2: of speaking to animals in that way in a very
Speaker 2: psychic I just can't believe it. You know, and a
Speaker 2: lot of her work is geared towards talking to animals
Speaker 2: who have passed on. My animals didn't really come through,
Speaker 2: but she was still able to sort of help me
Speaker 2: with the full crew I have.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I'm terrified of doing that. I've considered doing
Speaker 1: that on the show. But again, now I'm really making
Speaker 1: it sound like I'm committing crimes here. But my dog
Speaker 1: has seen some stuff, and I don't want my dog
Speaker 1: outing me on the show and sharing all of our secrets.
Speaker 1: And I don't want my dog calling me out like.
Speaker 1: I just can't. I can't have that.
Speaker 2: Animals are so psychic. Animals are so spiritual, they see everything.
Speaker 1: How psychic do you think you are like nowadays? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like you have any of that or are
Speaker 1: you an intuition person?
Speaker 2: I think so. I think I'm pretty good. I think
Speaker 2: I have a little bit of what I'm more open
Speaker 2: to and what I feel and what I sense. I
Speaker 2: think if I worked on it, I would be better.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Are you a synchronousity kind of person, like
Speaker 1: do you read into things like that? Yeah? For sure.
Speaker 2: I mean I can't really think of examples, but there's
Speaker 2: definitely things that made me realize my own career path
Speaker 2: was the right one. Like when I was a really
Speaker 2: young kid, I would have very vivid dreams of being
Speaker 2: in a stand up performance, doing stand up shows, and
Speaker 2: they felt exactly like they do right now. Like the
Speaker 2: way that it feels was once I take the stage,
Speaker 2: and when I'm doing well, it's so strange. So when
Speaker 2: I look back to my childhood and I realized, oh,
Speaker 2: this was actually sort of a predestined thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's synchronous, but that's more like we
Speaker 2: sort of understand our lives and our purpose in our
Speaker 2: lives and are persuaded somehow to take that path. And
Speaker 2: so that's I think very interesting.
Speaker 1: It's a premonition, like you saw it coming because you
Speaker 1: started stand up like how young, like fourteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really young.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, And I really I loved it.
Speaker 1: And I always think that live performers have to be
Speaker 1: intuitive and like sense energy, you know, like you can
Speaker 1: tell the vibe of a room, like that's part of
Speaker 1: your job, like read the room. Yeah, to me, that's
Speaker 1: a psychic thing. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree. I think that's so much about like
Speaker 2: also doing like crowd work, oh yeah, which I'm not
Speaker 2: the best at. But I think that people who are
Speaker 2: really good at it are really plugging into a psychic channel.
Speaker 1: Some people are so good, I mean, it's improv. I
Speaker 1: took an improv class over Zoom during the pandemic because
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta learn how to do this
Speaker 1: damn crowd work stuff. And I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I got that.
Speaker 2: I think it's psychic. I think it's a little bit
Speaker 2: of a divine channel that people are tuning into when
Speaker 2: they do that, because it's so fast. Yeah, it can't
Speaker 2: possibly be thought. It's faster than thought. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's actually pretty phenomenal. So it's something that I would
Speaker 2: like to get better at. But I think it really
Speaker 2: is plugging into a channel where you're tuned into what
Speaker 2: people are thinking, what people are watching. And I think
Speaker 2: that to some degree, people like Teresa Caputo or John
Speaker 2: Edwards are doing just that.
Speaker 1: They're just doing crowd work.
Speaker 2: They're doing kind of like an elevated crowd work that
Speaker 2: is going one step beyond the idea of just jokes.
Speaker 2: Now they're going into like, oh, people's lives and relationships
Speaker 2: and dreams.
Speaker 1: I truly like, and I have talked about this a
Speaker 1: lot in this show, but I really think that psychics
Speaker 1: it's like being a comedian. It's like sense of humor.
Speaker 1: It's like same kind of thing. It's like a sense
Speaker 1: that everyone has. But some people are like, I think
Speaker 1: I can make money doing this, and you have good
Speaker 1: days on the job via bad days, like sometimes they
Speaker 1: bomb a little bit, sometimes they're just like on a
Speaker 1: I think, especially from doing Living for the Debt and
Speaker 1: like working so closely with so many psychics, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is like the same thing, like as a comedian
Speaker 1: and a psychic. Like we're going into these places and
Speaker 1: like trying to find our thing that we do. Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the funny, you're trying to find
Speaker 1: the dead people. We're trying to like use our sense
Speaker 1: to navigate this and we'll try different things and we'll
Speaker 1: see what works and what doesn't. And I see a
Speaker 1: lot of similarity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's what I love about
Speaker 2: Living for the Dead is that everybody has their own angle,
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, alex Is going in looking for
Speaker 2: temperature and electricity and kind of these like things that
Speaker 2: she can sense or like an app that she can
Speaker 2: use to like plug in sort of like the meter things.
Speaker 2: It's almost very like scientific and mathematic and that nerd shit.
Speaker 2: It's so that nerdsch it, which I love. That's what
Speaker 2: Pleasant is doing to be a true sort of introduced
Speaker 2: step to me or you know, whether that is like
Speaker 2: Jude seems to read from the nature and the land.
Speaker 2: It's very earthy in that way. And then you know
Speaker 2: you have Ken who's reading from his own trauma, like
Speaker 2: kind of Ken comes in like with his own trauma,
Speaker 2: and Ken runs it from his own trauma, which I
Speaker 2: really appreciate because that's sort of what I do. So
Speaker 2: they've all got their own angle. It's interesting. It becomes
Speaker 2: very Ocean's eleven, you know, which I love.
Speaker 1: Well, it's fun to compare notes. Like what we're doing
Speaker 1: is talking about stuff that doesn't always have like concrete answers.
Speaker 1: It's the unknown, So like why not try a bunch
Speaker 1: of different things? Yeah, everyone wants like a concrete answer,
Speaker 1: but it's not the kind of thing where you can
Speaker 1: always get those answers. So try everything. See what you
Speaker 1: come down to after all this different data we collect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's I mean, if Harry Houdini couldn't tell us,
Speaker 2: you know, if you know, if all the people who
Speaker 2: have died, one person who could have been able to
Speaker 2: report back, right, nobody ever heard. So we just have
Speaker 2: to really kind of use what we can see or
Speaker 2: what we are able to piece together. It's a wonderful mystery.
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful way to spend a lifetime trying to
Speaker 2: figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't it would be so boring if we know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know all these answers, like actually,
Speaker 1: like you know, I want to It's the mystery of life.
Speaker 1: Come on, it's fun.
Speaker 2: It's the mystery, and it's also choose your own adventure too.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of ways to interpret it,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of different ways that we would
Speaker 2: interpret things. So I'm also okay with the end being
Speaker 2: the end as well. Yeah, I think it's all very interesting,
Speaker 2: but I love it.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Harry Houdini, have you ever been to a seance?
Speaker 2: I don't think so, other than what I was able
Speaker 2: to do with Selene and Pleasant down at Casida, which
Speaker 2: wasn't really a seance. It was more just calling out
Speaker 2: and trying to communicate, but there was nothing ever as
Speaker 2: formal as a proper eighteenth century spiritualist revival seance, which
Speaker 2: I would love to go. I've never been.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's do it you mee soelene pleasant.
Speaker 2: That would be great.
Speaker 1: Let's fully tap in and light a candle and get
Speaker 1: it go in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be powerful.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about superstitions. Do you
Speaker 1: have any of those?
Speaker 2: I do, but I also kind of reverse some like
Speaker 2: I think black cats are incredibly good luck, and I'm
Speaker 2: always trying to get them to cross my path. I'm
Speaker 2: always trying to get them to engage with me. I
Speaker 2: love the number thirteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think for Korean superstitions, just ones like don't shake
Speaker 2: your leg because you'll shake out all your luck, which
Speaker 2: I think it's really about. Don't fidget because then it's
Speaker 2: sort of like destroying your energy somehow, which I think
Speaker 2: is legitimate.
Speaker 1: I'm literally shaking my leg in the second you said
Speaker 1: when I stopped.
Speaker 2: I do like the idea of superstitions, but I don't
Speaker 2: know if I have any solid ones. I've whistled in
Speaker 2: a graveyard I believe, which to me isn't so scary.
Speaker 1: Do you have rituals before you go on stage that
Speaker 1: you like have to do.
Speaker 2: Not really, I think because we perform so much, there's
Speaker 2: no time to really be able to put that in place.
Speaker 2: I wish that there was some kind of rituals to
Speaker 2: sort of get me into a headspace of performance, but
Speaker 2: then again, we do it so much it's sort of
Speaker 2: hard to make space for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think of aliens?
Speaker 2: I love aliens.
Speaker 1: They're having a moment. They are in their press era.
Speaker 2: I love it. I mean they're really they're in there
Speaker 2: like mummy era. They're like they're showing up in Peru,
Speaker 2: all like fierce and cute and small.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they said, oh, you don't know we could be
Speaker 1: teeny tiny too.
Speaker 2: You didn't realize we could be mummies and be adorable.
Speaker 2: Like they're just so cute and I want to eat them.
Speaker 2: They look like some kind of like sugary candy, and
Speaker 2: I think they're just so cute. I love aliens. I
Speaker 2: love it, like it's so cool, and like the government
Speaker 2: has to tell us, oh, yeah, they're real. Of course
Speaker 2: they're real.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. Yes, yes, I completely believe
Speaker 1: that they're real. But I'm just like, this government's never
Speaker 1: gonna tell us. I mean not to be like a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist, but I'm like, I need more. I want
Speaker 1: them to just fully be friends with us. I'm ready.
Speaker 2: I think they're so probably very frustrated with us because
Speaker 2: they're watching us destroy the planet exactly. They're watching us
Speaker 2: do dumb shit. You know, they're probably like, well, so
Speaker 2: much more advanced than we are because they had the
Speaker 2: ability to get here. Yes, well we don't really have
Speaker 2: the ability to go there totally.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We have to sort of like be a fascinating to
Speaker 2: them because we're just fucking everything up all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they're at their wits end, and
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that they come down here and just help
Speaker 1: us get it together. It's like when you're watching someone struggle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like they're like our supervisor and we're like
Speaker 1: day one on the job and they're like, all right, move,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. Come on. Like, I'm hoping that they
Speaker 1: do that for just everything we have here on planet
Speaker 1: Earth and just like fix all of our problems. That's
Speaker 1: my hope.
Speaker 2: I hope that they're like would be fun to fuck.
Speaker 1: First of all, we know they're into butt play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, they've long fingers. I would be
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 1: I like a long distance relationship. I am so down
Speaker 1: to having a boyfriend that can come and go through
Speaker 1: the planet.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, that would be really cute. So I love
Speaker 2: an alien. I love I want to know more. I
Speaker 2: think they're so fabulous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about bigfoot and cryptid creatures of that sort?
Speaker 1: Where are you at?
Speaker 2: I love bigfoot. I love a cryptid, even a fake
Speaker 2: one like a Fiji mermaid or yes, you know something,
Speaker 2: when they sew like a frog and a fish together,
Speaker 2: I just think it's so cute. I love anything anything
Speaker 2: different like that. But yeah, cryptid is cute. I love
Speaker 2: a chup of cabra. I find them fascinating. I love
Speaker 2: a werewolf. Uh huh, it's so fabulous. They're not as compelling,
Speaker 2: I guess as a ghost. That to me is a
Speaker 2: little bit more exciting and scary. But a cryptid is
Speaker 2: just so adorable.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Could they be ghosts.
Speaker 2: They could be ghost too.
Speaker 1: They're never caught, nobody can ever get them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think we always have this idea that they're
Speaker 1: like animals that have never been discovered or something. But
Speaker 1: I think that they're ghosts. I think there's a.
Speaker 2: Possibility something spiritual about it, which I think that would
Speaker 2: be really cool. But yeah, I think crypto zoology is
Speaker 2: really I think, such an exciting it's an upcoming trend.
Speaker 2: It's on the horizon. It's going to heat up in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, Lissa, I think there's way more important
Speaker 1: things that we need to be worried about that. If
Speaker 1: you're a scientist, there's a couple of things that they
Speaker 1: could do. But I like a hooky scientists too, Like
Speaker 1: I like one that wears a silly outfit and they
Speaker 1: go out into the woods looking for mythical creatures. I
Speaker 1: think that's fun too. That's something that I celebrate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a seventies style paranormal researcher like that show.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're too young to know in search.
Speaker 1: Of I knew you're gonna say that. Leonard Nimoy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you watch those, they're really kind of cover
Speaker 2: the gamut of everything from spirit photography to cryptozoology, and
Speaker 2: it's all Leonard Niemoy stuff, which is so cool and seventies.
Speaker 2: So I like that flavor of paranormal research.
Speaker 1: Well, now, William Shatner has one that is called Unexplained
Speaker 1: with a big X in the middle, and I mean
Speaker 1: he basically is just like doing the intro and outro
Speaker 1: to every episode, but they do cover like all the
Speaker 1: different topics, which I like to do because I think
Speaker 1: this stuff is like more connected than we think, Like
Speaker 1: why not?
Speaker 2: I think so too. I think everything that we don't
Speaker 2: know about is really it's just under this surface and
Speaker 2: then we should know more about it. And that's why
Speaker 2: investigating it is cool. Also historically, like the way that
Speaker 2: society really colored the way that we looked at this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, which is why I love that Victorian
Speaker 2: spirit spiritualism movement so much, because it was the one
Speaker 2: place where they could get real freaky because it was
Speaker 2: such a repressive society. Yeah, so here's one place where
Speaker 2: it was fashionable to get weird. And that's why say
Speaker 2: inteles were so popular and all the scams that were
Speaker 2: being run at the time. But I love that stuff.
Speaker 1: Because, hey, let's talk about something that we know is
Speaker 1: one hundred percent real. eBay haunted dolls.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm so scared. Okay, did I tell you about
Speaker 2: the one Eba haunted object that I did have that
Speaker 2: I had to get rid of immediately. Margaret Chow, I
Speaker 2: bought a dredging hook as a Victorian dredging hook.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: It was like a hook that was used to find
Speaker 2: bodies in bodies of water during the Victorian era. It
Speaker 2: was eleven dollars and I ordered it on eBay. I
Speaker 2: won it and it came the next day. And it
Speaker 2: wasn't in a package. It was in a paper bag
Speaker 2: wrapped with my address, just put on my doorstep, and
Speaker 2: I brought it into the house and the whole house
Speaker 2: felt like it was cold. And I put the hook
Speaker 2: on the mantelpiece. At that time, we had a lot
Speaker 2: of medical antiques. I was married then, and we had
Speaker 2: a lot of weird like old syringes and old medicine bottles,
Speaker 2: and so I put it there. And then every time
Speaker 2: my husband and I my ex husband now, but when
Speaker 2: we were in the room together, we would just start
Speaker 2: arguing about the most petty stuff, and the room would
Speaker 2: get colder and colder. And at night I would lay
Speaker 2: in bed and I would think about the hook, and
Speaker 2: I would feel something cold in the bed, like the
Speaker 2: hook was in the bed. It wasn't, but it was
Speaker 2: very strange and Finally, I just told my husband, you
Speaker 2: better get rid of that hook. So he gave it
Speaker 2: to his friend who had as door selling all this
Speaker 2: sort of like medical antiques. And as soon as he
Speaker 2: gave it to my friend his friend, his friend broke
Speaker 2: his leg and his store went out of business.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then so he passed the hook on to somebody else.
Speaker 2: We don't know what happened to the hook, but man,
Speaker 2: that thing was like it was real, real crazy how
Speaker 2: it just took over the energy of the house that
Speaker 2: made the house. It was good for summer because you know,
Speaker 2: the air conditioning here is not that great, so it
Speaker 2: was good because it made everything cold.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah for free. I have to worry about
Speaker 1: paying for that.
Speaker 2: There's some weird stuff happening on eBay. Oh, people getting
Speaker 2: rid of these objects.
Speaker 1: Now, personally, I do think that there can be some
Speaker 1: legit stuff like that. Now, they weren't advertising it as
Speaker 1: a haunted right, No, that makes it more legit to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a medical antique.
Speaker 1: These people, there's a whole community of haunted sellers, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, it seems a little too coincidental sometimes
Speaker 1: that they have so many haunted dolls. Also, the dolls
Speaker 1: come with their own biographies when they're selling these dolls.
Speaker 1: So let's jump into a segment that I like to
Speaker 1: call the dolls are Living. Okay, jeeha, can you throw
Speaker 1: up this doll for us? Oh my god, here she is.
Speaker 2: That's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Now, this doll does not have a name. Usually they do.
Speaker 2: I don't like it.
Speaker 1: She's one of the scarier ones I've seen. And the
Speaker 1: best part is she knows her lighting, which is very important. Right,
Speaker 1: it's all about trying to make a sale. Here she's
Speaker 1: lit from beneath, so there's lots of shadows on her face,
Speaker 1: which is a great choice on her part. Yeah, her
Speaker 1: hair is a little frazzled. I don't know. I would
Speaker 1: guess she's probably like sixties or.
Speaker 2: It looks like it looks like Philis Diller.
Speaker 1: Yes, it kind of does look at Philis Diller. Like
Speaker 1: to me, it looks like every mom in the nineties
Speaker 1: on Christmas morning, like exhausted, like kind of in a
Speaker 1: nineties stressed Yes. Right, Well, okay, here's this doll's biography.
Speaker 1: It's actually a he oh, the spirit that's inside of
Speaker 1: this doll. Okay, it is currently going for seventy nine dollars,
Speaker 1: and it says he will not give his name. However,
Speaker 1: he has let me know that he is a man
Speaker 1: of an unknown age. He is very angry, he is mad,
Speaker 1: he is evil. He cusses in a muffled voice. He
Speaker 1: will make the doll vessel buzz. At night while you sleep,
Speaker 1: you can sometimes feel he is in the room with you,
Speaker 1: and then you smell an awful fart smell. That's what
Speaker 1: it says. Sometimes you will hear flies, but you cannot
Speaker 1: see them. He has entered my dreams. I always am
Speaker 1: asking him in the dreams, what is your name? What
Speaker 1: is your story? But he won't tell me. I have
Speaker 1: heard loud, heavy footsteps at night on my roof. I
Speaker 1: had my son check the attic to make sure that
Speaker 1: no one was up there. I was afraid someone broke
Speaker 1: in and was waiting for us to go to sleep.
Speaker 1: My son came down and said windows were locked and
Speaker 1: shut and he did not see anyone. My dog will
Speaker 1: not go near him. He's twenty one inches tall. He
Speaker 1: is striking, blue eyes, crazy blonde hair. He is most
Speaker 1: active at night. So far, no harm, just fear is felt.
Speaker 1: After the footsteps on the roof, I have kept him
Speaker 1: in storage. Okay, blah blah blah blah blah. So not
Speaker 1: okay with kids? Ok not okay with pets it keeps
Speaker 1: going on. But either way, seventy nine dollars. Wow, Margaret,
Speaker 1: you interested? Would you like a gift? You know, a
Speaker 1: host to sign you know what?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: But thank you? Okay, I don't want to find out.
Speaker 2: It's scary. Even if it wasn't true. The fact that
Speaker 2: this person has like put together this mythology is terrifying
Speaker 2: in and of itself, you know, so I just think
Speaker 2: respectfully declined. Please, Yeah, no, I don't blame you.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well that concludes that. Let's do one more thing here.
Speaker 1: Can I play you some ghost voices?
Speaker 2: Yes? Please?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for EVP or ev please. So you
Speaker 1: already know what a EVP is, Electronic voice phenomenal. What
Speaker 1: I do is I go to the Internet and I
Speaker 1: find people's EVPs electronic voice phenoma. They believe they have
Speaker 1: captured a ghost speaking. I'm going to play you two
Speaker 1: of them, okay, and I want you to tell me
Speaker 1: what you hear, any guesses you got, and then I'll
Speaker 1: give you an ABCD option of what the ghost hunter
Speaker 1: believes the ghost is saying, Okay, here's the first one.
Speaker 1: This one is from Pasadena Paranormal. I don't know the location.
Speaker 1: What is this ghost saying? Did you hear anything?
Speaker 2: I just heard like footsteps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely some footsteps. Wait, let's hear it again.
Speaker 1: So there's like a whisper among the footsteps. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know about this one.
Speaker 2: Oh he's like, go, sort of breathing. I guess right.
Speaker 1: It's a very breathy voice. Okay, I'll give you some options.
Speaker 1: Maybe this will help. Yes, is it A not great?
Speaker 1: Is it B target? Is it C Chocolate? Or D Margaret?
Speaker 2: Play it again?
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't. Well, they believe it's D Margaret. I mean,
Speaker 1: woo hello. That's actually how I found that. I said,
Speaker 1: is there anyone that says Margaret? And there was actually
Speaker 1: multiple and that was the best one I found.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great. I mean there would be a lot
Speaker 2: saying Margaret because it's such an old name. It's such
Speaker 2: an old lady name.
Speaker 1: So they were trying to figure out what the ghost
Speaker 1: name was and it said Margaret.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, this next one's better. This one comes from supernatural
Speaker 1: unit on YouTube. And this is at the Sonoma Mountain
Speaker 1: Cemetery in Sonoma, California. What is this one saying that
Speaker 1: fully sounds like a human.
Speaker 2: It's somebody whining about He's like totally. It's like hello, no, no.
Speaker 1: That's a full sentence. Yeah, let me play it again.
Speaker 2: Any guesses something about no more?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No more? Well, here's some options. Is it A
Speaker 1: I got a case of the Patty lapones. That's like
Speaker 1: when you yell at an audience all the time, which I love.
Speaker 1: By the way, Uh, is it B? Why don't you
Speaker 1: guys start moving along? Is it C? I'm moving my
Speaker 1: kids to another lawn or d? All these gays keep
Speaker 1: smoking my bong? Here we go.
Speaker 2: Oh, why don't you kids start moving along?
Speaker 1: Yes, they believe it is B. Why don't you guys
Speaker 1: start moving along? Yeah, get out of here.
Speaker 2: She's saying she doesn't want to be she doesn't want
Speaker 2: to be disturbed.
Speaker 1: Good for her, I get it. Speak up, Margaret. That's like,
Speaker 1: that's it this time.
Speaker 2: Wonderful. Well, I love this and I will continue to
Speaker 2: watch the show. I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I would love to join you in your ghost adventures
Speaker 2: at some times. So anytime you need an extra, an
Speaker 2: extra researcher, I'm there for you.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, Margaret, this is like so iconic you You
Speaker 1: are like the best to me, like truly, I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful that you take the time to talk to me.
Speaker 1: This is so cool.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Can you tell people where to find you your touring,
Speaker 1: I'm touring.
Speaker 2: People can find me on Margaret Show dot com. I'm
Speaker 2: on the Instagram at Margaret Underscore Show, I'm on TikTok
Speaker 2: at the Margaret Show, and I'm on X at Margaret.
Speaker 1: Show, gard Jazz.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Margaret Show. Go back and
Speaker 1: listen to the first time she was on at the
Speaker 1: beginning of twenty twenty. Oh, I love you all, both
Speaker 1: living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to
Speaker 1: haunt me, don't haunt me. Came on. This has been
Speaker 1: an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal experience
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I read stories out loud and sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll even call you. So email me at ghosted by
Speaker 1: Roz at gmail dot com. You can send a DM
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Speaker 1: startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed and sound designed by the eerie
Speaker 1: Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.
Speaker 1: Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah Kyle Krichten.
Speaker 1: My theme music is by the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.
Speaker 1: Artwork by the spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the chilling Karen Kilgareth, the
Speaker 1: Spooky Georgia hard Stark, and the frightening Danielle Kramer.