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Speaker 1: I'm here on the banks the fugeit sound where a

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Speaker 1: mystery is unfolding tonight after numer Agency each Side landing

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Speaker 1: software air presario and Microsoft co founder Bill Gates has

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Speaker 1: been reported missing, and things only get stranger from there. Apparently,

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Speaker 1: Mr Gates was aboard his lear Jet returning from a

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Speaker 1: conference in British Columbia, surrounded by business associates, when he

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Speaker 1: excused himself to use the plane's restaurant. A few minutes later,

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Speaker 1: that he was not in the washroom at the back

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Speaker 1: of the airplane, nor was he anywhere aboard the craft.

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Speaker 1: A massive search is underway at this time, but as

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Speaker 1: speculations and rumors swirl, authorities admit they are no closer

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Speaker 1: to locating the billionaires whereabouts. So imagine that one day

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Speaker 1: you pick up the paper and it tells you that

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Speaker 1: somebody really rich and famous has just disappeared, say Bill Gates.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Bill Gates didn't just disappear while

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Speaker 1: he was on his way to the quickie marter for

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Speaker 1: a pack of smokes like most people do now. He

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Speaker 1: actually vanished, as you heard, from his corporate lear jet

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Speaker 1: in mid flight, and nobody else in the plane even

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Speaker 1: it sure does, But something like this actually did happen.

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Speaker 1: Somebody vanished from his corporate jet about ninety years ago.

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Speaker 1: Alfred Lowenstein was one of the richest guys in the

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Speaker 1: And this is he rises from his seat and he

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Speaker 1: restroom was housed, and he passes his business associate Arthur Hodges.

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Speaker 1: He saw him lumber towards the back to the rear

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Speaker 1: of the craft the English Channel, shooting by underneath him.

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Speaker 1: His secretaries and his loyal valet back, Fred Baxter, they

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Speaker 1: all see him, they all see him go. But just

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Speaker 1: like that, Alfred Lowenstein, financier, innovader, philanthropist and one very

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Speaker 1: rich fellow, was gone, just like that bombast And this

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Speaker 1: was on a warm July night over the English Channel. Well,

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Speaker 1: He found that the head was empty. There was quite

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Speaker 1: Baxter made his way to the cockpit and handed a

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Speaker 1: note to the pilot telling him that Mr Lowenstein had disappeared.

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Speaker 1: That's the impossible had happened. He had vanished somehow off

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Speaker 1: of a plane. So let's back up, who vanished? Who

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Speaker 1: was Alfred Lollenstein? What in his biography could have left

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Speaker 1: so many theories in the wake of his vanishing. Well.

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Speaker 1: Mr Lowenstein was born in Brussels, in eighteen seventy seven,

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Speaker 1: but nineteen fourteen he established a successful bank and made

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Speaker 1: As I said, lon Stein wasn't there, which was strange.

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Speaker 1: There's nowhere else he could have been. The plane is

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Speaker 1: There remains speculation as to exactly why Drew chose to

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Speaker 1: open fairly easily, and that they believed that perhaps Alfred

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Speaker 1: Lowenstein had bumped against the door. The door flew open

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Speaker 1: and loen Stein fell out of the plane. They eventually

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Speaker 1: recovered the body after about three weeks, and it only

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Speaker 1: led to more questions than answers, and it was an

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Speaker 1: unrecognizable corpse, badly decomposed. Fisherman found it, and when they

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Speaker 1: the request of Lonstein's wife, Madeline. He was found to

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Speaker 1: foul play, no defensive wounds Madeleine had Alfred buried in

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Speaker 1: her family's cemetery in an unmarked grave. She also declined

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Speaker 1: to attend his funeral, but the case it wound down

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Speaker 1: eventually in the press. Eventually, curiosity about his death was

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Speaker 1: minimal from officials to say the least part of which

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Speaker 1: But we have. There's various series. Could have been suicide,

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Speaker 1: And there was even some discussion of perhaps an or

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Speaker 1: him out a few more details here. July four, Lowenstein

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Speaker 1: and his entourage left the Croydon Airfield in the south

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Speaker 1: Lowenstein's private airplane. As you informed us, that's a Belgian

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Speaker 1: made Folker seven trimotor. Yeah, a fun little plane. It

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Speaker 1: Also he actually Lowenstein liked to travel with a couple

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Speaker 1: So when that door was on, that door was open,

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Speaker 1: it's never going to open easily. Their pilots, So let's it.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's look at all the evidence. Consider this,

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Speaker 1: the pilot, Donald Drew, puts the plane down on a

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Speaker 1: deserted beach. Drew and Little both told the police that

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Speaker 1: the door on the airplane opened easily, and that was

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Speaker 1: not true exactly, and both there a little appeared to

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Speaker 1: have lived beyond their means after the disappearance. The incident

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Speaker 1: took place over the English Channel, outside of the jurisdiction

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Speaker 1: of any estate. Yeah. And of course, as I said,

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Speaker 1: the Fokker trimotor belonged to lowin Stein, so he had

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Speaker 1: control over and he could have modified it compartment to

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Speaker 1: hide in a hatch to escape from Yeah, exactly. So,

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Speaker 1: considering all those things, I say, we've got a little

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Speaker 1: the suicide, the murder, and the murder again, I just

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Speaker 1: think I just find that too hard to believe. And

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Speaker 1: I typically in cases like this, I usually decide I

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Speaker 1: usually go for something other than he arranged his own disappearance.

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Speaker 1: But in this case, I don't know. I gotta say,

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Speaker 1: I kind of like the disappearing theory, like you said

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Speaker 1: the same page. And there's another possibility, which is that

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Speaker 1: maybe he didn't even get on the plane to begin with,

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Speaker 1: and while everybody's everybody's like looking over the English Channel

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Speaker 1: for him, you know, or and if anybody suspected something,

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Speaker 1: Let's say, you know, somebody sharp minded like you and

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Speaker 1: I suspected that he faked the whole thing and he

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Speaker 1: was like he'd actually gotten off at Dunkirk and gone

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Speaker 1: away and they were looking for him there he's actually

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Speaker 1: already on a plane heading to say America, and he's

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Speaker 1: he was never even over the English Channel to begin with.

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Speaker 1: So that's another possibility. That's I think it's a really

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Speaker 1: interesting possibility. The other thing that really caught my caught

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Speaker 1: my eye was that his wife buried him in an

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Speaker 1: unmarked grain. Yeah, that's interesting, and that I mean because

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Speaker 1: the you know, I know that forensics were probably pretty

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Speaker 1: young back then. Oh you know, the ultimate thing would

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Speaker 1: be to dig him up. I mean, even today, we

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Speaker 1: could probably get some amount of d n A or

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Speaker 1: dental records or something to see if that body was

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Speaker 1: really his. Putting him in on our grave increases the

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Speaker 1: likelihood that that that corpse gets lost. Yeah, there's that.

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Speaker 1: That's also it was built. It was actually buried in

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Speaker 1: the Zone family graveyard. It was a private graveyard. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what the logistics Legally speaking, I

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Speaker 1: assume you can still get a cord order to have

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Speaker 1: something exumed, but if it's private property like that, it

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Speaker 1: might be a little harder. Well, and then you could

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Speaker 1: come up with the thing that if you did get

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Speaker 1: the card order or whatever, it all comes through that

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Speaker 1: the records are incorrect, The records have been lost, records

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Speaker 1: were intentionally offuskated so that it would be harder to

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Speaker 1: dig that body up. I mean, how many rich men

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Speaker 1: are buried in unmarked grace. Not many? Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's an intriguing thing. And I but if his

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Speaker 1: body could be found, it would be worthwhile, I think

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Speaker 1: to actually do a little rubble d n A against him.

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Speaker 1: And I assume it's known where his son Bobby, who

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Speaker 1: has to be dead by now, it's I assume it

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Speaker 1: is no more Bobby is buried, So let's, you know,

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Speaker 1: let's dig up the bodies and see if there are

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Speaker 1: match I mean, I'm sure there's still a Low and

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Speaker 1: Stone bloodline out there somewhere they can Oh yeah, probably

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Speaker 1: somebody is still alive. But it might not even have

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Speaker 1: to dig Bobby up right. Yeah, So okay, what what

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Speaker 1: whether any other theories or is this kind of we

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Speaker 1: settled on this because I'm the more we talked about it,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm sold on self disappearance. Yeah, I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: sold on that too. I think he decided to, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it may well be you know, the he said

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Speaker 1: when this so called anonymous document came out accusing him

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Speaker 1: of all sorts of crimes, it was it was just

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Speaker 1: all pure liable perhaps, and it might have been enough

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Speaker 1: truth there that perhaps he was concerned about perhaps an

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Speaker 1: indictment or two, and thought, well, maybe it's time to

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Speaker 1: just get out of town. And that's that's That might

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Speaker 1: be another way of you know, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: financial regulation was like in Terrible Yeah, it might that much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But and it might well be that that he sort

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Speaker 1: of knew that if he left then the FED would

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Speaker 1: not step in and dismantle his companies or penalize his

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Speaker 1: partners or his family or any of that stuff. Of

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Speaker 1: if he just died, they would just drop the whole matter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's what happened. And so essentially by disappearing and

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Speaker 1: quote unquote dying, then perhaps he escapes not just indicting

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Speaker 1: himself and maybe imprisonment, but also the destruction of his companies,

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Speaker 1: which were kind of key to his partner's well being

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Speaker 1: and his family's well being. So perhaps he just thought,

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Speaker 1: I'll just go off and live on a little island

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Speaker 1: somewhere on the several million bucks that I've got scrolled

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Speaker 1: away in this Swiss bank account, you know, which then means,

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Speaker 1: you know, somewhere out there there's a there's a grave

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Speaker 1: from five of a of a man living under an

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Speaker 1: assumed name. Yeah, someplace. Yeah, he lived under an assumed name.

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Speaker 1: Probably probably got himself a new girl and then fathered

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Speaker 1: another kid, you know. You know, it's something. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: if you're out there and you are the you know,

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Speaker 1: the I think Dolly's descendant of Mr Lowenstown, we want

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Speaker 1: to hear from you. Yeah, we'll put you in the podcast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we totally what we'll do. We'll do a little follow

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Speaker 1: up episode here And if you're out there, Mr Lowenstein,

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Speaker 1: and it happened to still be alive for some reason. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: welcome to use the podcast, would so else? I think

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