1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Let's go, Let's 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: not Giants, dont get out on the Giants bubbling. Give 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: me some job. Part of the Giants podcast Network, Let's roll. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Baldies breakdown Ed Dish of the Giants 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Little podcast brought to you by Citizens Official Bank at 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: the Giants. I am John Schmelk in person. All right, Baldy, 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: it's good to be here, man, good to be here. 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've been making my way around, uh, the league. 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: This is like my seventh stop. I was in Canton 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: last night, but I got up early this morning and 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: I got here for the whole practice today. So you know, 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: I've been hearing the buzz and the positivity, but you know, 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: you got to see it and feel it, you know, 14 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: And I thought it was a good practice today. I 15 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: recited about some of these young guys you know that 16 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: everybody's been talking about. But uh, you know, by next 17 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: week at this time, we should have a much better idea. 18 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. When we started playing some games, have some competitive 19 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: practices against other teams, you get a much better feel. 20 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: As Baldy mentioned, will recording this on Friday, this is 21 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,319 Speaker 1: airing on Monday, So if anything happens the next two days, 22 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: we don't cover it. That is why Baldy just finished 23 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: talking about the Parsons saga on NFL Network. I guess 24 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: I'll ask you quickly about it just because it's news. 25 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: But you know, who knows what's going to be different 26 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: in two days when this airs. But how do you 27 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: think that's eventually gonna shake its up? 28 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the Cowboys have to sign them. They 29 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: have to. They he's their best player and has been 30 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: their best player since the day he put his uniform 31 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: off for the first time. And you know, he's just 32 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: a difference maker. I mean, you know, the Giants, they 33 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: haven't really been able to figure him out, but he's 34 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: nobody has. I mean, but like I just saw Miles 35 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: Garrett this week, I was in Cleveland. I just saw TJ. 36 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: Watt on Wednesday. I saw Max Crosby last month. I mean, 37 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: all those guys got their deals. And look, you can 38 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 2: you can debate the amount of money that these guys 39 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: are making, but that's what they're making. And so you know, 40 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: the really the standard has been set. Mikeh knows what 41 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: it is. His agent is very very sharp, David Mulligetta 42 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: and so like, to me, this deal should have been 43 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: done years ago, and Mike Hah said, look, don't worry 44 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: about me, take care of CD. Take care of that, 45 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: and they did. So is his turn, and so I 46 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: don't know, Like I just think Dallas is a very 47 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: competitive team with Micah and they don't look that dangers 48 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: without him. 49 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the giants here. I want 50 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: to start with Abdul Carter, who eyes on during one 51 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: on ones we all have. It's been fun. Your thoughts 52 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: on seeing him up close and personal, impats. 53 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: Well, I saw a lot of what I studied at 54 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 2: Pen when he was at Penn State, and you know, initially, 55 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: you know, the head coach of Penn State really wanted 56 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: him to be an outside linebacker, and he said he 57 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: wanted to be a linebacker. So they let him play 58 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: first two years as James Frankly I'm talking about, and 59 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: so let him play off the ball inside linebacker and 60 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: he was good, made plays from day one coming out 61 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: of Harrisburg. And so last year they played him on 62 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: the edge and he was dominant on the edge. He's 63 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: got great movement, he can bend like it's not more 64 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: than just pass rush. It's just the way that he 65 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: can find the football and how he gets to the football, 66 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: and he does it with just a great deal of energy. 67 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: You know, the guy is just perpetual motion. His feet 68 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: don't stop. I saw him beat the left guard. I 69 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: saw him beat the center today in one on ones 70 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: he can and then you watch him in the nickel 71 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: packages that they have him in with Kvon and with 72 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: Brian Burns out there and they're moving around and you 73 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 2: don't know where he's going to come from. 74 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: And he's not just winning with speed, which is kind 75 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: of what I'm happy to see. You know, we saw 76 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: him in the spring. You saw the athleticism. I said, well, 77 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: I want to see what happens when he gets the 78 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: pads on. And then he gets the pads on and 79 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: he's winning in a variety of weights. His hand usage 80 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: is so fast. That's exactly what he's doing off as 81 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: Aliman and just really impressive. How even for a guy 82 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: that's only two fifty he plays much like Michael Parsons 83 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: we mentioned, plays a lot bigger than a guy that's 84 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: two undred fifty. 85 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean his feet and hands are are always 86 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: moving and so he can swipe, he can bend, he 87 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: can you know he can drop you know, he drop 88 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: down and grab grass and he's turned the corner. You know, 89 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: he just he can swim you like, he sees the 90 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: block before it occurs, and he's got a plan in 91 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: real time without thinking about It's just an instinct the 92 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: way he's been trained that he can just react and 93 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: beat you. And that's what you want. And so he 94 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: can make plays on the other side of the field. 95 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: He sees things before they begin to occur. He's just 96 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: an advanced student. Right now. 97 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: How do the Giants turn him and this defensive line, 98 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: which you've talked about a lot this offseason into part 99 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: of a very good defense that could help carry this 100 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: team to a better record. 101 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, Dave, they added some pieces in 102 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: the back end, you know, in Pulse, Dedebo and Javon Holland. 103 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're veteran guys that know how 104 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: to play. But it always starts upfront. And so you know, 105 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: you got to get him into pass rush situations in 106 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: this league, especially if you're playing a team like Philadelphia 107 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: that wants to run the ball, But you got to 108 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: get him into second along and third and long and 109 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: when you do and you can turn Kvon and Burnsey 110 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: and Dexter and Abdul loose. You know, all it takes 111 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: is one of those guys to win, you know, I mean, 112 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: so you're not gonna be able to double them all, 113 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to slide to them all. 114 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 2: You need one guy to be able to win. And 115 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: then once that quarterback begins to move off of that, 116 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: I don't care if it's Joe Burrow who it is. 117 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 2: Once that quarterback begins to move, then the chase is on. 118 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: And I think that's when they can really make an impact. 119 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: And I would think if they're getting after the quarterback 120 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: the way I think they can, generally you start taking 121 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: a ball away at the same time. 122 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess that even makes it more important 123 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball to make sure 124 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 1: you're playing either even or I fans might not believe 125 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: this play with the lead, especially early in games where 126 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: you can force teams in the passing situations, because if 127 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: other teams can just run it and run play action 128 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: and do things on their terms, it's going to be 129 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: difficult to turn that pass rush into a huge event. 130 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and no, look, I mean, and the other argument 131 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: to that is, if these quarterbacks are getting the ball 132 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: out in one point nine seconds, I don't care if 133 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 2: it's any other side. LT could be the other side. 134 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: He's not getting there, so you got to make them 135 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: hold it a little bit. That means you got to 136 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: get him a second and third and long where it 137 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: takes time for the routes to develop, and so that's 138 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: what you want to get him into those negative situations. 139 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: No question. I know you had a chance to talk 140 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: to Jackson Dart among others today. Your impressions of Jackson 141 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: on and off the field. 142 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: I'll just say this, John, I've been doing this a 143 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: long long time. You talk to rookies, talk to vets. 144 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: We talked to Brian Burns and cave On today. They 145 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: were great. Jackson Dart comes under our set and he 146 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: says hello to the cameraman, to the producer, to the 147 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: guy that's getting us food, and introduced himself to each guy. 148 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: Now you could say, okay, well anybody could do that, 149 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: but they don't. And then you could also say, maybe 150 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: that case is just highly aware of what it takes 151 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 2: as a team to put a show together. Like that 152 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: impressed me, right, That's the first impression I have of 153 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: Jackson because I'd never met him. He watched all these 154 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: breakdowns when he's an old myths. That's fine, but that 155 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: was my first impression is he went and introduced himself 156 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 2: to everybody in our set and then he sat down 157 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: and you know, he's he's a really likable guy. They 158 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: were a great personality. But you watch them work like 159 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: he's doing everything he's supposed to be doing and probably more. 160 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: Uh. 161 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: Now, it's just a question of can he translate that 162 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: to success? 163 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: Huddle up, get in here, man, If you're lined up here, 164 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: you gotta go over the middle with at the score great. 165 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 1: How do we make that happen? 166 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, but Citizens does? It makes sense of 167 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: your money with Citizens Official Bank of Eli manning. 168 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: What are the things a rookie quarterback has to get 169 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: good at to be able to translate that into success early? 170 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: Well, like, for example, at Old Miss, he was in 171 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: a shotgun the entire time. But you know, look, Jane 172 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: Daniels played the entire season shotgun. It's not a big deal. 173 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: But they do get on the center, play action pass. 174 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: You know, he's got to you gotta But he said 175 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: he really likes that. He always wanted to do. That 176 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: just wasn't the offense at you know, in USC and 177 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: Old miss. But it really comes down to processing and 178 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: some guys can just get through these these progressions that 179 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: we talk about, uh, from play to play to play, 180 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: depending on what the defense is doing, and can they 181 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: get their footwork and be in a position to throw 182 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: the ball and get the ball out. I watched Jared 183 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: Goff last night just warming up like he just is innately. 184 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: It's easy for him. I don't know if it's easy 185 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: yet for Jackson to be able to do that because 186 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: they're going to take away Malik on a play to 187 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: the outside and somebody's going to be in the passing Liane, 188 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: how quickly can you get to the number two or 189 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: the number three, you know and make an accurate stick throw. 190 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: Johnson A podcast brought to you by Citizens, the official 191 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: bank of the Giants, the game of celebrations, the every 192 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: day financial needs, big moufans and get the most out 193 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: of everyone with Citizens. Learn more at Citizens bank dot 194 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: com slash Giants. You mentioned Milie Neighbors. He's also pretty good. 195 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: Made a big play today down the right sideline for 196 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: a touchdown. That's he's been doing at least one of 197 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: those every day of practice. Baldi. What when you see 198 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: him in person? What sets them apart or puts them 199 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: at the same level with some of these other great 200 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: wide receivers. 201 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: I think he can get his body to do anything 202 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: he wants it to do. Its hen just like that 203 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: catch against Pauls and the deebo over there, like his 204 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: ability just to adjust it a little bit of a fade. 205 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: I also saw him where they overthrew him in the 206 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: end zone at the end of a two minute period 207 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: on fourth down, and he was ticked that the ball 208 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: sailed on him and he didn't get a chance because 209 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: I thought he'd won the route. So I think it's 210 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: it's a combination of his body can do what he 211 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: wants it to do. He's very very strong. He catches 212 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: the ball with his hands, it doesn't hit the plastic, 213 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: he doesn't hit his body, and so and then I 214 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: think he's very dangerous after the catch. 215 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you too. What do you think of 216 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: the other weapons outside that? 217 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, I thought Jalen. I thought Jalen show up today. 218 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 2: I thought he had some plays. You know, we've all 219 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: been kind of waiting. We know what Slayton can do 220 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: with speed. Wise wan Dale looks like you know, that's 221 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: his position in the slot. I thought THEO looked pretty 222 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: good out there today him and Bellings are both And 223 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: then you can't help but notice Scataboo. You just can't like, 224 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: you know, first of all, you look at the size 225 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 2: of the thighs, but then how low he runs, how 226 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: physical he is, even if it's not a physical drill 227 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 2: like he's initiating the contact. 228 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: He's got these short, little thick legs. And you wonder 229 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: why it's so hard to tackle the. 230 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: Well, he's so low to the ground, he's got you know, 231 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 2: low center of gravity, he's got incredible bounds and leg strength, 232 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 2: and so you think you might have taken a shot 233 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: at him, but it it looks like exactly what I 234 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 2: saw at Arizona State. He's a hard guy to tackle. 235 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: All right. You've been watching Russell Wilson for a long time. 236 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: Does he still look like the same guy to you 237 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: out there? 238 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: Well, you know what we don't see right now, John 239 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: is you know, he's been sacked a lot, honest league, 240 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: a lot a lotay and he does have a hard 241 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: time from the pocket seeing the whole field. That's why 242 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: early on in his career he moved a lot and 243 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: he made a lot of great plays on the move. 244 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: You know, you can throw some go routes right now, 245 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: it looks good. Got a touchdown to him leak, that's great, 246 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: But you know you you need to throw a high 247 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 2: percentage of passes if you're in the pocket. And can 248 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 2: he sit there and still do that? Because he extended 249 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: a lot of plays in his career. I've talked to 250 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: receivers that have played with him. You you got to 251 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: learn how to play with him when he moves out 252 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: of the pocket, and how are you gonna get into 253 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: his vision and all that kind of stuff. So we're 254 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: gonna get a better feel. Maybe he plays a little 255 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: bit in preseason, a couple of series here and there, 256 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: but that that has been an issue the last few years. 257 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see if he can attacked the middle of 258 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: the field and that's short intermediate. Ay, absolutely, I'm with 259 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: you on that. Uh, the running back room, I think 260 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: you mentioned Scattaboo already. I think Tracy had one really 261 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: nice run to down a pitch. Look he could have 262 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: taken at the distance. I think this is a great 263 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: room Baldy because all three guys can do a little 264 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: bit better. 265 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: Secretary, Yeah, they look Devin is Uh. I saw him 266 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: fighting for a touchdown today, like he's gonna He's also 267 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: a difficult guy to tackle. Uh, there's a role, I'm sure, 268 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: but I think we all want to see Scattaboo. We 269 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: all want to see because we saw him how he played, 270 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: you know, even in big games last year in college, 271 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: and how difficult he was to tackle. And we're probably 272 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: and I've always said this, John, like, if you're evaluating 273 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: offensive lineman and running backs, you got to you got 274 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: to put him in real football situation. 275 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to see him games. 276 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: You gotta see me games. I mean even you know, 277 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 2: a padded practice, you know, because I got to see 278 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: a running back. I got to see his vision and 279 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: I got to see his contact balance and his general balance, 280 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: and you know how hard he is to tackle. I 281 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: got to see that from offensive lineman in defensive line 282 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: for the most part, and running backs, and so you 283 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: know that's going to be the ultimate test is when 284 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: he gets some carries. 285 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's not a game, but what did you see 286 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: from the offensive line today in the one on one 287 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: drills and in some of the team portions. 288 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, look, we have to start talking about Evan. 289 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: You know, Kenny, Kenny win a role, Kenny win a spot. 290 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 2: He looked quicker to me inside than he ever did 291 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: a tackle. Now that's just a day watching him, you know, 292 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 2: move at the guard position. I think we're all pulling 293 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: for him, like maybe this is a move they should 294 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: have done before, because I thought he really struggled on 295 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: the outside. And obviously the injuries didn't help. But I 296 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 2: thought he looked better than I thought he was gonna 297 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: look inside. I thought he a looked quicker. I thought 298 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 2: his feet moved good to see John running out there 299 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: right now. Obviously Andrew's not here, you know, not ready yet, 300 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: but like you know, I want to see. And I 301 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: thought Jermaine played great. I thought, uh, just watching him 302 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: against Brian Burns, who's a difficult guy to handle one 303 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: on one. In one on one situations, I thought he 304 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: I thought he protected really well. 305 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: That's a great developmental story. He came into the league 306 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: and he said it's me and he got here. When 307 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: I first used in the league, I stunk I was 308 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: bad player, and he has turned himself into a really 309 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: good offensive Lineman. Man, it's a great story of patients 310 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: and development at a position. 311 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: Well, I think he got hurt right away in Baltimore, 312 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: you know, so like he was a scratch, you know, 313 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 2: and you know, I mean I kind of remember this. 314 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: It might be a little fuzzy on it, but you know, 315 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: he bounced around a little bit. You know, he found 316 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: a home with the Raiders. He played well last year. 317 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 2: You know, he's got versatility to him. But I think 318 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: they you know, like leave him at right tackle. Looks 319 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: like he's probably shorter than you want, you know, from from, 320 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 2: but that guy's got a toughness to him. I think 321 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 2: he's learned a game. I think he knows how to 322 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: play the game, and I think he's right in the 323 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: prime of his career right now. 324 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 3: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 325 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're 326 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 3: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk 327 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: to Citizens. 328 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: Hey, I can also talk long care. 329 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 3: I'd like to learn about a mowing routine. Yes, I 330 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 3: knew I could help makes sense of your money with Citizens. 331 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: He told me this is the first time in his 332 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: career he's only played one position. In an offseason, and 333 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: that's right back why he hasn't moved around. So I 334 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: think that's going to help him. 335 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 2: Well, I do too, I mean it always does. I 336 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: was with that guy for a long time in my 337 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: career where I wherever you needed me, I would go. 338 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: But you could never really perfect the techniques on a 339 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: day to day basis when you weren't sure where you're 340 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: going to line up. 341 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: Can you get a feel I'm sorry, I need to 342 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: interrupt you a ball. Can you get a feel for 343 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: a center like like John Michael Schwitzen practice like this 344 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: or no? 345 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: Uh, not really, not really because the center works so 346 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: much in tandem with the two guards and how they 347 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: work together, whether it's combo blocks or pass protection and 348 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: all that. I'm pulling for John. He's not the biggest 349 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: guy inside there, you know, but we got to see 350 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: him against the you know, the defense tackles in this 351 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: league are just getting bigger and bigger. You know, you 352 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: look at a Jalen Carter, the guys that he's got 353 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: to go up against twice a year right now, they're uh, 354 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 2: you know, they're good size in there, and you're a 355 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: lot of times when you get a guy like that 356 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: like the Giants do with Dexter. You're trying to get 357 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: him one on one the way you line up formations 358 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: and so can he handle that? 359 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: Before I interrupt, you're talking about how when you were here, 360 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: when you were playing, you were playing a bunch of 361 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: different positions moved around. That's what these guys at the 362 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: back end of the Giants depth charter are doing right 363 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: Jake Kubas, he's playing left guard and right guard. Stin 364 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: He's doing the same thing. Josh A Zudu's playing tackle 365 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: and guard. These are all guys fighting for that eighth, ninth, 366 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: and maybe tenth offensive line spots. Put the fans out 367 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: there in their shoes. How are they doing this right now? 368 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: What are they thinking? And well, explain it to me, Well, 369 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: it's it's it's real. 370 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: I've talked to offensive line coaches around the league. I mean, 371 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: like in for example, in Washington, Jeremie Tumpsal's will left 372 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: tackle everybody else cross chains, like you have to cross 373 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: chain these days because some days you're dressing seven offensive 374 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: alignment like it's it's enough. Most teams will dress eight, 375 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: but some are still putting seven out there. So you 376 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: got to have that swing center guard. You gotta have 377 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: that swing guard tackle. You just have to be ready 378 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: when when adversity hitch your offensive line. You've got to 379 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: have guys that you know that can line up in 380 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: multiple positions. And so the more these guys get used 381 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: to putting their left hand down, the right hand down outside, inside, 382 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: snapping the ball, you've got to have three guys that 383 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: can snap the ball and play center. In this league, 384 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: on your team, you have to have three guys. It's 385 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: just so the quicker you can get guys trained like that, 386 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: the more depth, the better you're going to be over 387 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: the course of seventeen games. 388 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: Well, you got to get the new work here. Two 389 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: more quickies. One, you did you talk to Kevon and 390 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: Burns today along with Dart? What did you get from 391 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: those two guys anything you learn about them or the 392 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: team having a conversation with it. 393 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: I think Kavon looks bigger and stronger to me right 394 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: now than he has. But I think you know, Burnsy 395 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: had a good season. He started all seventeen games last year, 396 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: probably not the numbers that he wanted. But I feel 397 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: like they think second year in this system right now, 398 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: they really understand it. I think their attack practice. Maybe 399 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: I'm not saying they didn't do it last year, but 400 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: I feel like they're attacking practice right now with more 401 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: confidence and more energy than what they than maybe we 402 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: have seen here in a while. 403 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: All Right, final question is ering Monday. So less than 404 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: a week from today, the Giants will be playing the 405 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: first preseason game against the Bills. Then they're gonna have 406 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: joint practices the following week leading up to the Jets game. 407 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: So what should Giant fans be watching for as we 408 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: continue along here in camp heading into the regular season 409 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: that you think could dictate how this Giant season might 410 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: ultimately go. 411 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: Well, First of all, I mean, I don't care what 412 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: brand of football you're playing. You have to take care 413 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 2: of the football like you have to. You just have 414 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: to preach it. You got to keep your penalties down 415 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: like those things like those things kill you in any 416 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: given day. So penalties and turnovers, taking care of the football, 417 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 2: not committing the silly penalties, that's number one. Number two. 418 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 2: Can you sustain offense? Can you stay on the field 419 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 2: and sustain offense like they've been adding pieces here now 420 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: for years? All right, Let's I don't care who's that quarterback? 421 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: Like let's see the offense move all right. I mean, 422 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: you're not gonna get a great deal of Buffalo starters, 423 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 2: you know, probably for a very long time, but doesn't matter. 424 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: Can we sustain offense? Can you take care of the football, 425 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: and can you make the plays where you're not beating 426 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: yourself on pre snap penalties. 427 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: BALLI way back with all these breakdowns this year exclusively 428 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com, the Giants App, all of our 429 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: social media platforms. 430 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: Good to see you man likewise here. I mean, I'm glad, 431 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: I got it. I'm heading to Miami here in a 432 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: little while. 433 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: How many campstops you have left? 434 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: I've got six left, six straight days, so I'm going 435 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: straight through to Wednesday. 436 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: You can get back to the beach. 437 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 3: Uh. 438 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna go out to LA and analyze all 439 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: these preseason games in the studio out Oh are you. 440 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 1: I like it? 441 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: I like that. I like that the exercise of putting 442 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: all the games up and seeing some of the young 443 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 2: guys around the league. 444 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: Oh, it's a lot of fun. Brian Bolder on the 445 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: Johnstonto Podcast, brought to you by a citizens Official Bank 446 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: of the Giants from the Hackets, Sack and Merite in 447 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: Health podcast Studio, Keep getting better. We'll see you next time.