1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:00,640 Speaker 1: Hour two. 2 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 2: Sean Hannity Show told Free it's eight hundred and nine 3 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 2: to four one, Sean, you want to be a part 4 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 2: of the program so earlier today. 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Now we have a. 6 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: New interim senator in the great state of South Carolina. 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: Lindsey's Graham's sister, who I've gotten to know and know well. 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: Unbelievable story. 9 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: Their parents die, Lindsay's parents, Lindsay and Darlene's parents die. 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: Darlene is thirteen years old and Lindsey now is. He 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 2: takes on the responsibility of raising his younger sister, as 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: she referred to him as a brother, a mother, a father, 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: all the above, and they were extraordinarily close. She is 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: beyond lovely as a human being. The strength she showed 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: yesterday was unbelievable to me. Let me play a little 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: bit of this her remembering her brother. 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: I know Lindsay was loved in respect by many, and 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: I greatly appreciate the memories and even the funny stories 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: that have been shared. These shared experiences, along with our faith, 20 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: have gotten us through these past two very difficult days. 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: My brother was the most amazing person, outstanding leader, and 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: just a genuinely good man. He was kind, and considerate 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: and loved by his family dearly. As I think everyone 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: would agree, Lindsay worked harder than anyone. He worked NonStop 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 3: to make our state, country, and world better. 26 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: And you know, before I did last night's TV show, 27 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: I spoke to her. I said, I don't want to 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: do anything that you would not like, and just to 29 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: be you know, respectful towards her and her family. But 30 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: to Lindsay, I knew was you know, I know everyone's 31 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: played the Kavanall cut, which I think was one of 32 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: his finest moments in the US Senate, saving the nomination 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: single handedly of Justice Kavanaugh and just doing the right 34 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: thing because Democrats and he said say hi to Soda 35 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: my or say I had to you know, Elena Kagan 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: because I voted for them because I believe a president 37 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: has the right to choose the justice of their choice. 38 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: So we had a lot of credibility in what he 39 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: was doing and saying in that moment. But then there 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: was Lindsay, like on the TV show and I played 41 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: this last night before I interviewed Tim Scott. You know, 42 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: this was Lindsay on Hannity saying bs Adam bull Shift 43 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: more times than we could even put together in a montage. 44 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: But listen, then they want to reward those people that 45 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: broke laws with your hard earned tax dollars and benefits right, yes, health, 46 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: It's total. 47 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: I don't stop it. 48 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: We had the Abraham Accords where people were recognizing Israel 49 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: and dump Biden comes along again, tears it all up 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: and bragg Leticia James five hundred million dollar verdict against 51 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 4: the Trump family. This book needs to come to end. 52 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna put up with this crap anymore. I'm 53 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 4: gonna sue. I'm gonna sue the hell out much people. 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 4: We're not going to stop. To the New York Times 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 4: and the Washington Post, who haven't done a damn thing 56 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 4: to get to the bottom of any of this, who 57 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 4: won a pull surprise for spreading booth. 58 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: We invite and always welcome back to the program. Mark Penn, 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: chairman CEO and chairman of the Harris Pole and former 60 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: advisor of Bill and Hillary Clinton. He sees what we see, 61 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: and that is a party that has become radicalized. But 62 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: you knew, Lindsey, you like, I mean, the two of 63 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: you had a lot in common as much as you 64 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: got along with everybody that was willing to get along. 65 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: And that's why I respect you so much and respected 66 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: him so much. 67 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 5: No, I think he played a tremendous role. And interestingly, 68 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 5: I remember back in the days when when Hillary Clinton 69 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 5: was a senator, he would raise Lindsey Graham for his 70 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 5: ease of work, and she would bashed Senator Schumer that 71 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 5: she is impossible to work with. 72 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of truth both of those things. 73 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: We have been going over in great detail, and I'm 74 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: making the argument and you're a Democrat, You're a Clinton Democrat, 75 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: and you and I had many arguments on TV radio 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: over the years and then, but we've gotten to a 77 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: point where we're in a lot of agreement now, and 78 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: that is the radicalization of the party. Look at Mamdani 79 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: and you know incumbents that he went directly after, and 80 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: the radical you know DSA candidates that think like him. 81 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: One, you have AOC in the squad. You have this. 82 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: Idiot uh Tell Rico, and this another idiot, Al Saied 83 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: in Michigan running for office. 84 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: And then you have of course Grand Platner. 85 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: What is so believable about the Platter situation is all 86 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: the things that Democrats say they stood against. You know, 87 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: they love to call Trump a Nazi and a fascist 88 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: in Gestapo. But the guy had a Nazi tattoo for 89 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: two decades, you know, mocking a US soldier. He doesn't 90 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: deserve to live. He was a self proclaimed communist, Mark Penn, 91 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: you are not a communist. Takim praised him, you know 92 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: when he won the nomination. Tell me, where's the soul 93 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: of this party? 94 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 6: Now, Son? You had me at Nazi tattoo? 95 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I mean it's pretty unfathomable. 96 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 5: Right, I mean should have been enough. Look, we all 97 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 5: know what was going on here. Somehow they got this 98 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 5: idea that you take completely unqualified people who have never 99 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 5: done anything in their lives, spouse socialist propaganda, and somehow 100 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 5: those are going to be the candidates that defeat someone who, 101 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 5: by the way, you know, Senator Collins, of all the 102 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 5: different senators to try to retain, you know, in this fashion, 103 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 5: has always shown that she represents Maine, who's always been 104 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 5: willing to look at both sides, vote against her own party. 105 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 5: She's a model of kind of what you would think 106 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 5: a senator from a state like Maine would be. And 107 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 5: then to try to prop up a candidate who was 108 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 5: obviously unqualified and then look, you look, we went through 109 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 5: a year where everybody said that Biden was confident and. 110 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 6: Qualified what he obviously wasn't. 111 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 5: So it's almost you ever remember that thing from Star 112 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 5: Wars where they say, like, these are the droids you're 113 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 5: looking for? 114 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 6: I mean, this is the. 115 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 5: Game that they've played, and they've played almost reasonably successfully 116 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 5: in the number of instances for a long time here, 117 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 5: and it really was shameful in this case. He was 118 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 5: unqualified from day one, and anybody could have seen it. 119 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 6: There is no excuse for. 120 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: Believing why the deafening silence? But with the exception of 121 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: one guy, John Fetterman, nobody else that I know of 122 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party, especially the Democratic so called hierarchy, 123 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: you know, leaders in name only like Chuck Schumer, who 124 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: came jefferies, why are they Why is there silence so deafening? 125 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: They've got to know this is nuts because over the 126 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: years I can play that they had very different positions 127 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: than all of these lunatics that are now running in 128 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: their party. 129 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 5: Well again, Son, you know the answer to this question. 130 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 5: You know that the left has basically terrorized almost all 131 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 5: the moderates, and that they all like be quiet, They 132 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 5: all are hoping, oh, I'm going to get their vote 133 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 5: for this speaker or to be speaker, or to be 134 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 5: in this position or what happened, which is not going 135 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 5: to happen either, and they're going to primary me and 136 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 5: they're going. 137 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 6: To throw me out. 138 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 5: And so just there are very few, you know, profiles 139 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 5: and courage, but those profiles and courage I think. I 140 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 5: think people are beginning to realize that the entire party 141 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 5: is taken over. 142 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 6: By not just center left, but an extreme left wing. 143 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 5: Faction that that has an unbelievable set of beliefs to 144 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 5: start with junking the Constitution. 145 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: How do you look at somebody like James tell Rico 146 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: six gender tele Rico, do you know, by the way, 147 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: do you know what the other four are? Because I 148 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: can't find anybody that can identify that for me. But 149 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: if you know what they are, and I'll just shut 150 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: up and listen. I just want to learn, Mark, I 151 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: didn't know we had six gender. Do you know what 152 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: they are? 153 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 6: Well, thank you. 154 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: The answer is no. I'm not going to put you 155 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: on the spot. That's just not fair. You know, God 156 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: is non binary, and I mean, by the way that 157 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: you know he was he advocated for trans men to have. 158 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: Access to abortion. 159 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: Do I need to go back to school and take 160 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: more biology classes. 161 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: If I do, tell me, and I'll be glad to 162 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: do it. 163 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 5: Well, look, there's going to be another one of these 164 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 5: super expensive, multi hundred million dollars Texas races, and I 165 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 5: don't think it's going to come out any differently than 166 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 5: the other have come out. 167 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: So and by that you're talking about the Beto I 168 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: used to call him Bozo O'Rourke. And by the way, 169 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 2: the first race he ran, he didn't get exposed as 170 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: radical as he is. That happened later he did run 171 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: a tough race against Ted Cruz, and I remember going 172 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: down to Texas. I remember being on the campaign trail 173 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: with Ted Cruz, and trust me, they were worried. They 174 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: were concerned because he was resonating, but he was able 175 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: to hide it the first time. Then it all started 176 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: kind of bubbling to the surface. 177 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: How radical he was. 178 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 5: Well, yes, and I think I think going an empty 179 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 5: suit he was sort of came out and it came 180 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 5: out more and more. But you're right, But I just 181 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 5: think you're going to have like a replay of something 182 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 5: between Beto one and two. 183 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 6: Huge expenditure. 184 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 5: The state is close, a lot of partisanship on each side, 185 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 5: and I expect it will come out as it did 186 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 5: before and everyone will have wasted about two hundred and 187 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 5: fifth million dollars to get the same result. 188 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Let's go to Michigan. 189 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: El Sayed Number one, he's campaigning with this guy, Hassam Piker, 190 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: who said America deserved nine to eleven. That would not 191 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: be somebody you would ever want to be friends with. 192 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: More recently commenting, but I think it was about the 193 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: death of lindsing Gram. I don't quite remember, but you know, 194 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: you have clips of El Sayed, you know, talking about 195 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: defunding the police, not funding them at all, defunding the police, 196 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: attacking ice, et cetera, et cetera. How does he do 197 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: in the state of Michigan. I think I know Michigan 198 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: pretty well. I love the people of Michigan. You know 199 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: a lot of hard working blue collar people. Are they 200 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: going to are they going to be drawn into that? 201 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 6: Well? 202 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 5: Look, I think this is a critical test for the 203 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 5: for the Democratic Party. Right, Let's see what's going to 204 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 5: happen out of this primary. IL say it is leading 205 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 5: in the polls. I think everyone now with what's happened 206 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 5: in Maine has and alerted that he is the you know, 207 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 5: an equally extreme radical, you know kind of candidate who 208 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 5: is very unlikely to win. And whether or not whether 209 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 5: or not he's going to win the primary is an 210 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 5: important choice. I mean, if he wins that primary, that 211 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 5: is going to show the DSA has real power with 212 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 5: Democrats even in Midwestern states. I don't think that extends. 213 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 6: To the general election. 214 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 5: I think that's going to be, you know, a a 215 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 5: real problem. But I don't think his victory is completely 216 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 5: assured because I do think that a lot of the 217 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 5: party is waking up to this extremism and they could 218 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 5: stop it here in Michigan. I think this will be 219 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 5: a very important primary. 220 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: If he does win, how does he do in a 221 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: general election against you know, somebody very conventional like my Rogers. 222 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 5: Well, look if he does, if he does win, and look, 223 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 5: let's remember the voters are really only voting on one issue, 224 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 5: the economy. You're in this and I guess there was 225 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 5: relatively good news today in the economy because there's only 226 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 5: people are upset about inflation. They hadn't really dealt with 227 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 5: it in twenty five years. They don't seem to be 228 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 5: voting on the candidates as much as there is there 229 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 5: a concern about this. I think again, this will be 230 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 5: a big money race, you know, I definitely think that 231 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 5: it will. You know, you know, whatever Texas comes out, 232 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 5: this will be another I think two points. You know. 233 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 5: I think he's a far weaker candidate with more extreme views. 234 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 5: And again it will be an opportunity for the Republicans 235 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 5: to show that that's not a path to victory for 236 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 5: the Democratic Party. And certainly, certainly I hope he doesn't 237 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 5: make it through the primary. I mean again, I think 238 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 5: it will be. It will be, it will be a 239 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 5: good statement if he does not make it through the primary. 240 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 5: If he makes it through the primary, you know, again, 241 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 5: I don't think he's going to make it through the general, 242 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 5: but it's going to be another big money raise. 243 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 2: All right, quick break, we'll come back more with Mark Penn. 244 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: He is, of course chairman of the Harris Pole, former 245 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: advisor of Bill and Hillary Clinton, but a moderate Democrat. 246 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: More on the other side. Your call's coming up as well. 247 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: Eight hundred and nine four one, Sean, as we continue. 248 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 7: Keeping the truth alive. Nity is on right now. 249 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: We continue now Mark Penn is with us, and he, 250 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: of course the chairman of the Harris Pole, former advisor 251 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: to Bill and Hillary Clinton, imposter for them. So if 252 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: this is now the new Democratic Party, the Party of 253 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: Platner and the Party of Elsayed and the Party of 254 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 2: Talla Rico and Mom Donnie and Grandpa Bernie and Pocahontas 255 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: and aoc in the squad and every other quote Democrat 256 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: but for John Fetterman won't speak out against it, where 257 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: does that leave somebody like Mark Penn Well, uh, but 258 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: I could be I'm not being a jerk asking the question, 259 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: I promise. 260 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 5: Oh no, it's a fair question, you know. And I 261 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 5: think I think Elon Musk put out that very nice, 262 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 5: you know cartoon a while ago where it looks you know, 263 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 5: I was there at President Clinton. We did well for reform, 264 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 5: We did the crime bill, we did balanced budgets, We 265 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 5: did all of these things to put the country, you know, 266 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 5: with the Republicans in a bipartisan effort with Yu Giggrich, 267 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 5: they put the country on an incredible incredibly successful. 268 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: We balanced the budget nearly five years in a row. 269 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: And that was Newt and Bill Clinton. 270 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean exactly, those incredible those incredible positions, none 271 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 5: of which would pass today's Democratic Party rap And there 272 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 5: are a lot of people who could not go back 273 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 5: to this party. And you've seen this before seventy two 274 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 5: eighty four. 275 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,359 Speaker 1: It goes not like this, not with Nazi tattoos. 276 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 6: No, yeah, you are right, this is this is far. 277 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: This is a whole new level of crazy. 278 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm not saying that there aren't 279 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: people you know, on the right that are nuts too, 280 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: Mark Penn, appreciate it, Thank you, sir. To our busy telephones, 281 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: we go New Mexico. Thomas, Sean Hannity Show, What's up, Thomas, 282 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: how are you hey? 283 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 8: Thanks for taking my call. 284 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 6: Sean. 285 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 8: You know, I've been listening to you guys, and you 286 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 8: guys seem pretty concerned about socialism and the takeover of 287 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 8: the Democratic Party. I'm a young socialist twenty six years 288 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 8: old out of the University of New Mexico. I thought 289 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 8: you might just appreciate this moment, you know, maybe question 290 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 8: a DSA member some of our goals career, what the 291 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 8: hell's going on here? 292 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: I've studied you extensively. 293 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: I'm not sure why I would need to do that, 294 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: you know, define socialism in your words, define what does 295 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: it mean to you. 296 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 8: I'm so grateful you asked that question, because if we 297 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 8: can do one thing for your viewers here, it's get 298 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 8: this straight. Socialism comes out of the. 299 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: We're on radio, these would be my listeners. But it's okay, 300 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: I know, we know what you mean. 301 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, thank you. Well, you know, socialism comes 302 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 8: out of the French Revolution in the seventeen nineties and 303 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 8: kind of finalizes in the nineteen twenties or sorry, eighteen 304 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 8: nineties there, but sorry, seventeen nineties, eighteen twenties there, and 305 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 8: then we don't get communism until the eighteen forties. These 306 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 8: are two very different philosophies. Socialism is very broad. It 307 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 8: exists everywhere. Some people even say here in America. 308 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: But well, socialism, it's technical definition advocate for collective or 309 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: government government ownership and control of the means of production. 310 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: It has taken on many forms, many manifestations, public collective 311 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 2: ownership as i e. Mamdani and wanting to confiscate private property, 312 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: central planning, and a lot of heavy regulation. This idea, 313 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: this notion of equality of outcome, which is the antithesis 314 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: in my mind of freedom. 315 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: The class battle. 316 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: You know, it's you know, the demonization of the wealthy, 317 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: the belief that you can take from one group of people, 318 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: empower government to take it and give it to another 319 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: group of people, and empower yourself in the process of 320 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: doing it. I don't care if it's you know, it's 321 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: historical context. It does matter versus capitalism. But you know, 322 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: tell me why you think this would work. 323 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: Where is it? Where? 324 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: Where's the ideal example of your democratic socialist ideas that 325 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 2: work in your view? 326 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 8: Well, I would say, even looking policy to policy, my 327 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 8: favorite team to go to is universal health care. The 328 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 8: entire developed world has some form of universal health care. 329 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 8: Or if I go to Denmark or France, or Sweden 330 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 8: or Spain, or the UK or Singapore, Australia or Canada's. 331 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: Canada is a great example, right they have single power plan. 332 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, all of these countries have universal health care. 333 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 8: That's a difference. 334 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: Let me ask you, why do people in Canada that 335 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: have that coverage have to wait six months to a 336 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: year and sometimes longer to get serviced. Why do so 337 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: many Canadians leave their country come to the US and 338 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: pay out of their own pocket for treatment? Oh, for 339 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: things like heart disease, cancer, et cetera. Why do they 340 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: come here? 341 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 8: Yeah? I think the reason Canadians find themselves leaving Canada 342 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 8: when they're looking for some of those specialized doctors and 343 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 8: machines is because in the US we have a system 344 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 8: that favors people who can pay for their own medicine. 345 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: No, it's not that, that's not The reason is because 346 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: they're going to be treated faster, treated better, and it's 347 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 2: worth every penny because time matters when it comes to 348 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: health What were the promises of Obamacare? If you want 349 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: to talk about healthcare, well, what would Obama promise? 350 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: What? 351 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: He went around the country for a year pushing Obamacare? Obamacare, Obamacare? 352 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: What were the main promises he made? Do you remember? 353 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 8: He promised that you could keep your doctor and that 354 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 8: your price. 355 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: Keep your doctor. Hold on, let's go through, keep your doctor, 356 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: keep your plan. 357 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 8: Right, absolutely, No, that's no, you're and he. 358 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: Promised the average American would save twenty five hundred dollars 359 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: per family per year on average. 360 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: Correct, you're correct on that. 361 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 8: But you're also going to leave out is that thousands 362 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 8: of Americans found health insurance because before. 363 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 2: That, Okay, now we actually have the results are in 364 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 2: do you know what the results are? 365 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 8: The results are that forty thousand Americans in two thousand 366 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 8: and nine from a Harvard medical study found that they 367 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 8: died every year because they just didn't have. 368 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 2: No The results of the promises made by made about 369 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 2: socialized medicine in this country was called Obamacare, Keep you doctor. 370 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 2: Why did millions of Americans lose their doctors? Why did 371 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: millions of Americans lose their plans? Why is the average 372 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: American paying about on average three hundred plus percent more. 373 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: Why is there forty plus percent of the country that 374 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 2: only has one only one Obamacare exchange option, take it 375 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: or leave it? 376 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: Why is that? Does that sound like success to you? 377 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 6: Oh? 378 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 8: Actually, I would say so. I wish I had that. 379 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 8: Right now, I have no health insurance. I do qualify 380 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 8: for Medicaid. I'm actually waiting. 381 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 6: No. 382 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: You well, but you're not answering my question. The results 383 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: are in. You brought up the need for socialized medicine healthcare. 384 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: I brought up Obamacare. I said, what were the promises? 385 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: Now the results are in. Every promise that he made 386 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: and Democrats made was broken. 387 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: It failed. 388 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 2: Let me ask you another question, how do you feel 389 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: our educational system is doing government runs schools are doing 390 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 2: in terms of educating our kids. How do you think 391 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: how would you grade the school system in America that's 392 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 2: socialized government run right? 393 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think we definitely it's impressive that 394 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 8: we spend more money on our schools than socialist countries 395 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 8: but have worse test scores. So we're clearly doing something wrong. 396 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: At every turn we slow down, slow down, we said 397 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: something deep and profound. We actually spend more per capita 398 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: per student than any industrialized country, and we come in 399 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: regularly around thirty eight, thirty nine, forty forty one, forty 400 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: two in terms of results. Now would you say that 401 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: is a successful government run schools? Are they succeeding or failing? 402 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: Based on that one number alone? 403 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 8: I would say globally, other government run schools are doing 404 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 8: much better than us government run. 405 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: So we're failing in terms of government run schools. Now, 406 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: let me ask you, didn't our government didn't they promise 407 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: us that our social security money would be put away 408 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: in a lock box? 409 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: Did they make that promise? 410 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 8: You know, our politicians seem to look. 411 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: The answer to the question is yes, they did. They 412 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: said they put that money away they wouldn't touch it. 413 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: Did they keep that promise? 414 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 8: You spend from it constantly, you spent it on wars. 415 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: No, we rated the lock box and it's now headed 416 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: towards insolvency. And the same goes for Medicare and medicaid 417 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: in states. Are you aware they're headed for insolvency because 418 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: it got raided by greedy politicians. 419 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 8: Well, none of that socialism, unfortunately, that's actually just no. 420 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: Actually all of it is socialism in a way, because 421 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: I'm telling you is a place like Galvetz in Texas 422 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: that opted out of the social security system years ago 423 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: and people and they invested in the market, and the 424 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: people there are making infinitely more money when they retire 425 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: than people that stayed in the government run system. 426 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: See, the problem is this. 427 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 2: I know I'm pressing you here because in theory I 428 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: get what you're saying. 429 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: But this is what you want to do. 430 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: You want to empower people like Mamdani, elected officials to 431 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: have the right to take from one group of people, 432 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: achievers that took the the opportunity of freedom and created 433 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: goods and services the people. You can't force them to buy. 434 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 2: I can't force people to listen to the radio show. 435 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: And you're going to take their money and empower your government, 436 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: and they're going to make all these lofty promises. Here's 437 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: the problem with socialism, Marxism, communism, redistributionism, statism. And I'll 438 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: give you the final results everywhere it's been tried, is 439 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 2: you have unfulfilled promises every time, just like the ones 440 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: I mentioned here. In other words, they make promises, they 441 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: can't keep the New Green Deal, none of those promises 442 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: would be kept. 443 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: On top of that, you have. 444 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: Over time, so they fail and you have disappointment, and 445 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: you have more poverty than when you started. Then, when 446 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: it's all said and done, you've empowered these politicians to 447 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 2: take care of every aspect of your life, where rather 448 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: than you being responsible in your life and taking control 449 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 2: of your own life and taking advantage of something called freedom, 450 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: which is a great gift and the natural state I 451 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: believe in our framers and founders believed of mankind, and 452 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: that is that we're endowed by a creator and. 453 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: With natural rights. 454 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 2: And then the last part of it is then you 455 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: get to calculate how much how much freedom you gave 456 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: up in the name of false security and broken promises. 457 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: That's the net result. No matter where. 458 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: You look at what it's been tried, whatever version has 459 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: been tried. And in spite of that history, you bragg 460 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: that you're a young socialist. You brag you're part of 461 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: the DSA. You wanted to come on this program and 462 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 2: lecture me how great your value system is. I just 463 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 2: happen to have studied your system up down in sideways, 464 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: because it always props up its head in some manifestation. 465 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: So tell me, based on what I'm telling you, you 466 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: tell me why you still remain, you know, cling to 467 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 2: a system that has failed over and over again. 468 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: Why do you want to cling to failure. 469 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 8: No, that's a good question, Sean, Thank you, thank you 470 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 8: for it. Well, what I would say is, at the 471 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 8: end of the day, you might be right on a 472 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 8: lot of your criticisms. We'll have to see how Mam 473 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 8: Donni does. 474 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: No, I'm right on all of them. 475 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 5: Sure you might. 476 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: And I think you're probably a little surprised how much 477 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: I know about everything that we've tried in this country 478 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 2: that you would. 479 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: Define as socialist. 480 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: You asked me, why the way, where are the free 481 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 2: buses that Mam Donnie advocated. 482 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 8: For my city of Albuquerque? They call our city asking 483 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 8: for advice, how to set up free busses like I 484 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 8: have here in Albuquerque. I live on Central, I use 485 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 8: it every day. 486 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: And where are they in New York City that he 487 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: can't afford them? 488 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 4: Well? 489 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: Why did New York City lose eleven billion dollars in 490 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: wealth in the last year? 491 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 8: Good question, Sean. 492 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: Why are people fleeing high tax states like New York, 493 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: New Jersey, Illinois and California? 494 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: Why are they leaving? 495 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 8: Oh, the same reason teenagers are fleeing Texas and Alabama 496 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 8: for abortions. In my state, people go where they feel 497 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 8: like that. 498 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: No, they're fleeing because focus on the topic. They're fleeing 499 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 2: because they have had it with burden, some regulation, high 500 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: taxation for states that believe in freedom. Let me ask 501 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: you this question, Thomas, how old are you? 502 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 8: I'm twenty six years old. 503 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: You're twenty six years old. 504 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: Do you believe as I do, that God created every man, 505 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: woman and child on this earth? 506 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: Do you believe that? 507 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 6: No? 508 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 8: I'm an atheist. Thank you for asking. 509 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: Though you're an atheist. You know what an atheist? 510 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: If you're an atheist, you have to believe, you know, 511 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: science now shows those universes within universes within universes. 512 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: Right, well, you know there might be an ord No, 513 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: you did that as a fact. You know that right 514 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: that there. 515 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 8: Could be potential like multiple universes. 516 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: I know it so to be an atheist. Where where 517 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 2: did all of all of the energy for creation come from? 518 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 2: Because I would argue, you believe that something can come 519 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: from nothing, I. 520 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 8: Would say we have something, So that's suspicious. But I 521 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 8: don't think either you or me have a pretty good. 522 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 2: Where did all Where did all of that energy come 523 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: from that built you universes within universes? 524 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: Where did it come from? 525 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 8: The most scary futt. 526 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: If it was if it didn't come from a god. 527 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: I believe God, the Father, Where did it come from? 528 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 8: Otherwise we don't know, and I don't think you do. 529 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: So you don't know, So you you you leave out 530 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: the possibility that something can come from nothing. 531 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 8: No, no, it's out there. I just don't think. 532 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: No, no, well, where did it come from? 533 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 8: We don't know? Neither. You were mishan. It's it's a 534 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 8: it's a big mistake. 535 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: But the bottom line is if you hold out the 536 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: possibility that it just came out of nowhere, that means 537 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: you actually hold out the belief that something can be 538 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: built out of nothing. 539 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 8: If that's true, it would be pretty incredible and strange. 540 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 8: But that's not unpredictable for our universe. I wouldn't pretend 541 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 8: to know what it's up to. 542 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 2: Well, where did the energy to build the universe come from? 543 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 8: I mean again, you're you're kind of it's possible. 544 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 1: You believe something can come from nothing. 545 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 8: It's possible there actually was a creation. It could have 546 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 8: been a cat. 547 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: So there's possible that there's a god, a creator. 548 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 8: It's possible that multiple Well. 549 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: I just turned you from an atheist into a. 550 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 8: Well, agnostics leave the door open for Jesus. 551 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: And y'all, well, do you now leave the door open 552 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 2: that maybe a god created the energy, a. 553 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 8: Deity of some kind. It's possible it could have been anything. 554 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: All right, So now I turned you in from an atheist. 555 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 2: You can now answer the question when I asked, I'm agnostic. 556 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. 557 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 8: Well, will agnostics leave the door open for Jesus? And 558 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 8: I don't do that. 559 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 6: I don't know. 560 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: It has nothing to do a creator, God, the Father, 561 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 2: the creator of the heavens and the earth. 562 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 8: I don't know what created the universe. 563 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: And well, that means you're an agnostic, You're not an atheist. Listen. 564 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 2: You do sound like a nice young man, you do, 565 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: but I'm going to tell you something that might hurt 566 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: your feelings a little bit. Please don't take it the 567 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: wrong way. You are very naive and you're not very bright. 568 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: You've got to think through these things more. And I'm 569 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: going to urge you to do something. I'm going to 570 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: urge you to study socialism, not in a book, then 571 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: festation of it and how the history of it is 572 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: one of failure after failure after failure, and look at 573 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: every government socialized program in this country and you'll find 574 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: out that everything I told you in those last twenty 575 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: minutes is true. But it was worth going through because 576 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: you sound like a nice kid, and you're you're very young. 577 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: Winston Churchill famously said, if you're twenty and not a liberal, 578 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 2: you don't have a heart. If you're forty and we 579 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: have the same conversation, you don't have a brain. Okay, 580 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: So it gives you time to grow. And my prayer 581 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 2: is is that you grow, and it is a prayer. Okay, 582 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 2: my friend, Thank you, Sean. 583 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 8: I've debated a lot of conservatives and I think You're 584 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 8: pretty fun to talk to, so I hope I get 585 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 8: to talk to Oh. 586 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: I'm glad you called call back. I want you to 587 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: think about these things and call back. 588 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, sounds good. 589 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 8: I have a good rescu DA Sean, al right, all 590 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 8: right 591 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: You too, God bless you.