Speaker 1: Every day I wake up, I'm one day closer to death.
Speaker 1: So what you're gonna do with the time you got left?
Speaker 2: Big Time Brand nominee Big Shan.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest blessings is going through a time
Speaker 1: where you are feeling at your lowest or depressed or
Speaker 1: whatever the feeling is, because that is just confirmation that
Speaker 1: you're not in alignment and that you're meant for something different,
Speaker 1: something greater.
Speaker 3: What's the difference between attracting energy and chasing energy?
Speaker 2: Oh boy? The number one health and wellness podcast.
Speaker 3: Jay Setty Jay Shetty. Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose,
Speaker 3: the place you come to become a happier, healthier and
Speaker 3: more healed. Three things that are so important to the
Speaker 3: human condition. Today's guest is on for not the first,
Speaker 3: not the second, but a third time special. One of
Speaker 3: your favorite guests, one of your favorite interactions. We both
Speaker 3: hear about it all the time. I'm talking about my
Speaker 3: dear friend and incredible artist, Big Sean, Grammy nominated rapper songwriter,
Speaker 3: friend of the podcast, and now a first time author.
Speaker 3: His new book is called Go Higher, The Five Practices
Speaker 3: for Purpose, Success and Inner Piece, which combines his insights
Speaker 3: on self care with actionable Tools, set to release in
Speaker 3: January twenty twenty five. Now, despite his achievements, he has
Speaker 3: been open about his struggles with anxiety and depression, turning
Speaker 3: to spiritual practices to find balance. Through his music and
Speaker 3: now he's writing Big Sean inspires others to overcome their
Speaker 3: own challenges and reach their fullest potential. Please welcome my
Speaker 3: dear friend, someone that I believe is so inspiring, deeply insightful, philosophical,
Speaker 3: a guide, the teacher and leader, Big.
Speaker 2: Sean man other. Thank you for having me. You know.
Speaker 2: First of all, I just got to say, j though,
Speaker 2: I'm so proud.
Speaker 1: Of you man, even since our first interview, Like, of
Speaker 1: course you did you spark the idea of me writing
Speaker 1: a book, But I'm not making it about me.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: You've interviewed the President. Man, You've like you have gone
Speaker 1: to the moon and back. There was a part of
Speaker 1: the book where I said, like the mental health space,
Speaker 1: and you know, like that that space is dominated by
Speaker 1: a certain crowd. Bro, you are dominating this space, and
Speaker 1: I just got to say it's it's deeper than that.
Speaker 1: It's wellness, it's all of it. And I just got
Speaker 1: to say I'm super proud of you, man, like, very
Speaker 1: very proud of you. I know, like where you come from,
Speaker 1: I know your journey, I know how you grew up,
Speaker 1: you know, I know the household you came from. And
Speaker 1: I just got to say, man, I'm very proud of you,
Speaker 1: and I see, I see like so much for you,
Speaker 1: and you're still so young and you still so have
Speaker 1: so much to offer.
Speaker 2: So thank you so much, man, oh man.
Speaker 3: Is mutual, And honestly, it was people like yourself who
Speaker 3: came on the show so early and trusted the space
Speaker 3: opened up and made it a safe space for so
Speaker 3: many that followed you as well. And so I have
Speaker 3: to give you a lot of credit back because you
Speaker 3: came on the show when it was so much smaller,
Speaker 3: we were starting out. But it was people like yourself
Speaker 3: who trusted me, trusted the space, and were able to
Speaker 3: create it.
Speaker 2: And look at this, Come.
Speaker 3: On, yeah, that's rather He's genius. She's super smart when
Speaker 3: it comes to figuring out how to help people. But no,
Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you for putting this book together
Speaker 3: because when I met you, I noticed very quickly that
Speaker 3: you were already a philosopher, and that was rare. Most
Speaker 3: people live life and then gain wisdom. And you, through
Speaker 3: your mother, through your own learnings, through your own curiosity,
Speaker 3: had so much insight and wisdom when we met. And
Speaker 3: I remember mentioning like, oh one day and the fact
Speaker 3: that we're sitting here with the book.
Speaker 2: And a h yeah, yeah, yeah, going it's.
Speaker 3: Pretty special and you reminding people to go higher is
Speaker 3: so powerful. But let's dive in because I'm sure you
Speaker 3: were gonna say something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was just saying like, yeah, you really gave me
Speaker 1: the confidence.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: As soon as the cameras cut off, you were like, yo,
Speaker 1: you got to write a book, you know, And I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I didn't write it for any like
Speaker 1: vanity purpose. I didn't write it for like a oh
Speaker 1: it's that time for me to write a book. I
Speaker 1: literally wrote it because it was pouring out of me
Speaker 1: really essentially, you know what I mean. And it was like,
Speaker 1: there are so many people who like trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how to get to how to just maneuver through life.
Speaker 1: And I've dealt with my like ups and downs and
Speaker 1: maneuver through things. So it's just like sharing always can
Speaker 1: help somebody. You never know how you're impacting somebody. How
Speaker 1: you can change somebody's whole trajectory. You know, I was
Speaker 1: lucky enough to have these like guardian angels in the
Speaker 1: form of like my mom, or the form of my
Speaker 1: family members, or in a form of friends or you know,
Speaker 1: The Alchemist. The book The Alchemist really taught me to
Speaker 1: pay attention to the omens you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so through a song coming on through any any aspect
Speaker 1: of my life. And it was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a true pleasure to be able to just
Speaker 1: put like what has worked for me in a way
Speaker 1: that can people could come back to it, that people
Speaker 1: could apply it to their lives. And you know, I've
Speaker 1: gotten a chance to not only sit and talk to you,
Speaker 1: but sit and talk to so many of other people
Speaker 1: that I respect in the wellness space and just an
Speaker 1: inspiring space, you know, from Deepok to side Guru to
Speaker 1: and just my idols, you know, growing up in music.
Speaker 1: So I apply a lot of things that I've learned
Speaker 1: into this book and hopefully it helps people.
Speaker 3: It will, it will help people for sure. I want
Speaker 3: to I want to stop asking you. You know, you've
Speaker 3: manifested success. And when I spend time with you today
Speaker 3: and I see you with Jane, and I see you
Speaker 3: talking about Noah. I also feel you've manifested happiness, and
Speaker 3: I think those two things are very different, and so
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you what's been different about manifesting
Speaker 3: success Korea profession and then manifesting happiness.
Speaker 1: One of the things about success is you have to
Speaker 1: define what your idea of success is.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't think if, like, say, somebody had a billion dollars,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that he's more successful than me. I
Speaker 1: would just say he has more money than me. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the power of separation. We tie so
Speaker 1: many things into definition, right Success to me is a
Speaker 1: feeling of it's an emotion. It's something that when your
Speaker 1: purpose is activated and you are impacting people in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. There's so many ways to impact people
Speaker 1: right now. There are byproducts of success, like money can
Speaker 1: be a byproduct of success. You know, when you do
Speaker 1: something and you create a supplying demand, you get paid
Speaker 1: for it. But I don't think because you make money
Speaker 1: that you're successful, you know what I'm saying, And I
Speaker 1: don't think, you know, there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: you could tie to that. Just like I don't think
Speaker 1: just because if your life isn't going the way you are,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you let that make you unhappy.
Speaker 1: Those are two separate things. That's really the power of separation.
Speaker 1: So for me, success is a feeling and it's when
Speaker 1: my purpose is activated. So I remember I did an
Speaker 1: interview and they asked, you know, successful talking about success,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, I'm not the most successful person.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, maybe I am, actually because
Speaker 1: I love so many aspects of my life and I'm
Speaker 1: living in the life that I've always dreamed of. You know,
Speaker 1: times ten, I only wanted to have a song on
Speaker 1: the radio and like a platinum song, and bro, I've
Speaker 1: sold one hundred and eighty five million records or something crazy.
Speaker 2: I've like taken care of.
Speaker 1: My mom, my dad, a lot of people, and live
Speaker 1: ten lifetimes already, so everything has just been sprinkles on top.
Speaker 1: So to me, success is really activating your purpose. And
Speaker 1: happiness is something that you can choose instantly. Your happiness
Speaker 1: is something that you could choose instantly, and it's something
Speaker 1: that I learned the hard way because when I have
Speaker 1: fallen into like a dark time. You know, we all
Speaker 1: go through these ups and downs. When I've been down bad,
Speaker 1: and like, the depression comes in, the anxiety comes in,
Speaker 1: the self sabotage comes in, and you can hold onto
Speaker 1: these things and they will they will stick with you
Speaker 1: your whole life. You have to decide to let them go.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things I talk about in
Speaker 1: the book. A lot of people may not know how
Speaker 1: to do that, and there are a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: but one of the first ways is to choose how
Speaker 1: you feel.
Speaker 2: You're in control of that.
Speaker 1: And it's easier said than done, because when things aren't
Speaker 1: going your way, you're pissed off at everybody, You're like
Speaker 1: blame and everything. Well, first of all, you have to
Speaker 1: quit blaming everything else and realize that you're a magnet.
Speaker 1: You're magnetizing your whole world to you, you know. So
Speaker 1: if that's the case, obviously you switch it to an
Speaker 1: emotion that resonates with you more of how at least
Speaker 1: how you desire to feel right, And you can choose that,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, your whole experience will change. So
Speaker 1: happiness is something you can choose immediately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing that stood out to me listening to
Speaker 3: you was the power of separation. I've never heard it
Speaker 3: like that before. Yeah, and I really like that term
Speaker 3: because we have to learn to separate society's views and
Speaker 3: our views. We have to learn to separate, as you said,
Speaker 3: our definition of success and other people's definition of success.
Speaker 2: And separate what you control and what you can control.
Speaker 3: And so how do we develop the power of separation?
Speaker 3: What does it take to cultivate that within ourselves to
Speaker 3: have that ability, because I feel most of us don't
Speaker 3: practice the power of separation.
Speaker 2: It's just the recognition.
Speaker 1: To me, one of the biggest blessings in your life
Speaker 1: is growing pains. One of the biggest blessings is going
Speaker 1: through a time where you are feeling at your lowest
Speaker 1: or depressed or whatever the feeling is, because that is
Speaker 1: just confirmation that you're not in alignment and that you're
Speaker 1: meant for something different, or you're meant for something more,
Speaker 1: something greater. You know, if you're satisfied with where you're at,
Speaker 1: then that just is what it is. And you know,
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't even be depressed, but because you are,
Speaker 1: because you feel a certain way or like you're not
Speaker 1: all the way there, that is just confirmation that you
Speaker 1: are truly truly meant for more or something different. So
Speaker 1: to me, I think that when you recognize okay, you know,
Speaker 1: once you start recognizing things of that nature, you could say, okay,
Speaker 1: what's the first step of getting out of this? And
Speaker 1: so that's part of the book.
Speaker 2: I say.
Speaker 1: You know, accepting where you are. That doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: have to like you have to like stay there. That
Speaker 1: just means accepting the blessings and all the things that
Speaker 1: come along with where you are to open up space
Speaker 1: for more, and you're letting go of all the baggage
Speaker 1: that is holding the weighing you down. I used to
Speaker 1: be like that. I used to be like when things
Speaker 1: don't go my way, I'm terrible. Oh this doesn't happen
Speaker 1: the way I wanted it to or the way I
Speaker 1: saw it. You know, my whole mood is shot right,
Speaker 1: And I'm not to say that things don't affect me
Speaker 1: when they don't go my way. But I have the
Speaker 1: armor on now. I know how to deal with it.
Speaker 1: I know how to get over it and get back
Speaker 1: to it. That's how a lot of my heroes.
Speaker 2: Deal with things too. You know.
Speaker 1: When you think of like Denzel Washington, like say he
Speaker 1: has a new movie out. Say the movie does amazing
Speaker 1: and it's incredible, and he wins an oscar. Say the
Speaker 1: movie comes out and the bombs or doesn't do as well.
Speaker 1: He's not going to give up and quit. It's not
Speaker 1: going to ruin his life. He's going to move on
Speaker 1: to the next thing and use that to the power
Speaker 1: of separation. You know, that's a real thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you reminded me of. I love Denzel too, so yeah,
Speaker 3: you reminded me of.
Speaker 2: I can't speak for Denzel. That's just like an example.
Speaker 3: Yeaheah of what you're perceiving. I remember my football coach
Speaker 3: growing up gave me this piece of advice and it
Speaker 3: stayed with me ever since then. He would say to us,
Speaker 3: if you lose, cry for a night. Yeah, and he goes,
Speaker 3: if you win, celebrate for a night, but then get
Speaker 3: back to training.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: So if you lose, cry for a night, but then
Speaker 3: get back to training. And if you win, celebrate for
Speaker 3: a night and get back to training. It was always
Speaker 3: about getting back to training the next day. It was like,
Speaker 3: you can't just sit there and cry for a week
Speaker 3: or cry for a month, and you can't in the
Speaker 3: same way celebrate for a month. You can just live
Speaker 3: off your past success. That's right, get back to training.
Speaker 3: And I love that mindset.
Speaker 1: Someone was asking Kobe mindset almost right, Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I know you got a chance to talk to Kobe before,
Speaker 1: and I've actually got a chance to talk to him
Speaker 1: as well. And you know, he's incredible and his mindset
Speaker 1: was something that I admired so much. And I got
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to him literally a few months
Speaker 1: before he passed, and he was just telling me about
Speaker 1: how he meditates and what it does for him, right,
Speaker 1: And I just resonated with that so much. It's really
Speaker 1: it's really cool because we all are reflections of each other,
Speaker 1: not just me and you or whoever. It's like everyone
Speaker 1: that's in your vicinity and your environment is a reflection
Speaker 1: of you or a part of you, even if you
Speaker 1: like him or don't like them, you know, And it's
Speaker 1: something to recognize that we are all interconnected. After you
Speaker 1: go down to the layers of it, right, you get
Speaker 1: past the singularity of like career, the you know, family, house, this,
Speaker 1: and that, we're all you go really deep inside and
Speaker 1: we're all very similar.
Speaker 2: We're all the same, we.
Speaker 1: We have the same system of order, of operations, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's really a true testament of we all are
Speaker 1: everything physicals made of that same I don't know what
Speaker 1: you want to call it prana or love energy. And
Speaker 1: as I've gotten older in my life, I see the similarities.
Speaker 1: I have friends that are in their sixties, seventies, you know,
Speaker 1: I have friends that are all Racis and things, and
Speaker 1: I see myself in all of them, and I think
Speaker 1: that's something to recognize in such a world of separation.
Speaker 1: I know that kind of is like afar reach from
Speaker 1: talking about the interaction with Kobe, but it's just it's
Speaker 1: just crazy how in everyone that I've been meeting lately
Speaker 1: and even just from growing up that I've seen, it's
Speaker 1: like a mirror almost in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean talking about Kobe, I think what
Speaker 3: resonated to do most about him is that he was
Speaker 3: at peace in retirement, and athletes who are retiring don't
Speaker 3: always find peace because naturally it was so important to
Speaker 3: be on the field right right, and so no judgment
Speaker 3: towards anyone, but it's so hard to not be on
Speaker 3: the court anymore and not miss it and want to
Speaker 3: be there. And he had found a new purpose. And
Speaker 3: that's the most interesting thing is that you don't get
Speaker 3: to peace by pursuing it, and you don't get to
Speaker 3: peace by trying to pursue more prizes and more wins.
Speaker 3: You get to peace by finding your purpose. And that's
Speaker 3: what he did. And so I want to talk about
Speaker 3: in your book because you really give people these five practices,
Speaker 3: and I want to give people a game plan a
Speaker 3: roadmap today in our interviews so that when they read
Speaker 3: the book they can kind of connect the dots between
Speaker 3: things you've said today. And I want everyone to go
Speaker 3: out and grab a copy of the book because I
Speaker 3: really feel it simplifies. I feel like so much of
Speaker 3: this space is like mystical complex and it can take
Speaker 3: a long time. But what you've done is you've really
Speaker 3: demystified and go hire your book the pathway to get there.
Speaker 3: And I love that you start to accept because I think,
Speaker 3: even though it's a hard step, it's such an important step,
Speaker 3: this idea that your journey only begins when you accept
Speaker 3: that where you are is your starting point, that your
Speaker 3: experience have made you exactly who you're meant to be,
Speaker 3: with the skills, the talents, the gifts. So if someone's
Speaker 3: sitting and listening and going Sean, that's so hard for
Speaker 3: me to accept that I am where I need to
Speaker 3: be because my life's just been full of, you know,
Speaker 3: the worst, horrible, difficult things. How do I accept and
Speaker 3: start from there? What would you say to them?
Speaker 1: I would say that I understand some people's lives are
Speaker 1: not ideal. I'm someone who has seen that experience that
Speaker 1: can relate to that firsthand. And what I can say
Speaker 1: is that when you accept it, that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: you are giving up. Those are two different things. Accepting
Speaker 1: it just means Okay, I'm ready to go somewhere else,
Speaker 1: and I'm thankful for all that all of this has
Speaker 1: taught me, all of this has brought me. I accept
Speaker 1: where I'm at, but I know I'm made for something else.
Speaker 1: I know I'm made to go to go higher, right,
Speaker 1: but no, but really I'm made to be somewhere else
Speaker 1: in the world, you know. And I think that until
Speaker 1: you accept that, you can't move forward because you're just
Speaker 1: in the middle of it. And I think when you
Speaker 1: accept something, that's how you get ahead of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I feel like it's the resistance
Speaker 3: to acceptance that blocks us exactly right. It's like when
Speaker 3: we're fighting. Yeah, when we're fighting, we're going in the
Speaker 3: opposite direction. It's like it's telling you it's going in
Speaker 3: this direction and you're trying to force it to go
Speaker 3: in the other direction. And that's what's causing tension. And
Speaker 3: accepting it means, like you said, not that you're giving
Speaker 3: up and you're like, all right, well, I just do
Speaker 3: what you want it's going. No, this is how it's flowing.
Speaker 3: Now what am I going to do?
Speaker 1: There's always a like thread of where you are to
Speaker 1: where you desire to be at matter or and what situation.
Speaker 1: There's never not a way or else you wouldn't feel it,
Speaker 1: or else you wouldn't be have a desire for it,
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't even be in your consciousness, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like I don't have a.
Speaker 1: Desire to go to Saturn because that's just not in
Speaker 1: my thing, right, But I have a desire to the
Speaker 1: things that I've had a desire to.
Speaker 2: I always knew that there was a way.
Speaker 1: So always know that no matter what opportunity you're in,
Speaker 1: against the impossible odds or against odds, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: it is, you always have your way to get to
Speaker 1: where you are. There's always a thread leading you, and
Speaker 1: there are maybe multiple threads. So never be down and
Speaker 1: out and think that it's impossible.
Speaker 2: It's really not.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mission Impossible is a movie that where he
Speaker 1: defines impossible missions, you know. But my point is is like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that's impossible for you. It's all meant for you,
Speaker 1: and it's up to you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite quotes is, every day I wake up,
Speaker 1: I'm one day closer to death. So what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do at the time you got It's like, understand that
Speaker 1: this is our time right now, The moment is now,
Speaker 1: these moments, we only have the moment. So a lot
Speaker 1: of us live in the future and a lot of
Speaker 1: us live in the past, and that's something that we
Speaker 1: have to get out of the habit of. And I
Speaker 1: think when you accept where you are, you're kind of
Speaker 1: letting go of that and making an action plan to
Speaker 1: putting your attention on your intention. And you, of course
Speaker 1: you have an idea of where you would like to be.
Speaker 1: But God doesn't always give us what we want. God
Speaker 1: gives us what we need, and sometimes those are the
Speaker 1: same thing, and sometimes they are not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it all works out, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, for sure. What's the you know, when you're
Speaker 3: manifesting as we're talking about this, like finding your path.
Speaker 3: What's the difference between attracting energy and chasing energy?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Boy, attracting energy and chasing energy. Well, like I said,
Speaker 1: when you're chasing something, you're already implementing the energy of
Speaker 1: it away from you, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: I just say you can't get it. But it's a
Speaker 1: lot of effort to chase something. It's like even police
Speaker 1: on a high speed chase, it's like they might have
Speaker 1: to crash into other cars and they're chasing you. And
Speaker 1: when you attract something, it's you are using the powers
Speaker 1: that have been granted to you from God, universe, whatever
Speaker 1: you call it or believe in of it magnetizing to
Speaker 1: you and you have that power. It's been the power
Speaker 1: that's been you know, we use it on a level,
Speaker 1: on small levels every day. Even if you just set
Speaker 1: it and say, hey, I'm today, I need to take
Speaker 1: a shower. That's literally you set a goal, you did it,
Speaker 1: It's done. You can do that on the scale of
Speaker 1: anything that happens, and some things may take a lot
Speaker 1: more time than others. You know, we have these ideas
Speaker 1: and expectations we set for ourselves, but that's on us,
Speaker 1: you know, that's our ego. Sometimes that's our our you know,
Speaker 1: once in desire, in our minds, sometimes getting the best
Speaker 1: of us. And I think that things do take time,
Speaker 1: but there's always a way, and you know it's you
Speaker 1: can never count yourself out.
Speaker 3: What's been the most difficult thing you've ever had to accept?
Speaker 1: The most difficult thing that I've ever had to accept
Speaker 1: is that the things that I can't control, I used
Speaker 1: to let the things that I can't control control me.
Speaker 1: Give an example, let how someone perceives your art As
Speaker 1: an artist, like Eric Abadu says, we're emotional about our shit.
Speaker 1: You know, I think she said something like that. That
Speaker 1: never changes. But you can't control how someone perceives you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: All you can do is put first of all, to
Speaker 1: make something, to write something, to have an idea and
Speaker 1: it actualize it. Is like that is really the wind
Speaker 1: for real. I'm not just saying that like that is like,
Speaker 1: come on, you know what I mean? You literally manifested
Speaker 1: something how people consume it. If you impact anyone you
Speaker 1: that's literally a bonus to it. You know, that's why
Speaker 1: we do it. But that's that's you literally changing the world.
Speaker 1: So one thing I've had to accept is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: how people like I can't control what people think of me,
Speaker 1: their perceptions of me, And when I try and control that,
Speaker 1: it takes me off of my path that I'm on
Speaker 1: where I need to go, you know. So that's that's
Speaker 1: that is something hard, and you have to separate, like
Speaker 1: that said, that power of separation, of doing what you
Speaker 1: love to do and not tie it into how people
Speaker 1: perceive it.
Speaker 2: Those are two separate.
Speaker 3: Things, which is so hard, so hard, And I loved
Speaker 3: what you said that when you get fixated on what
Speaker 3: other people think of you, you're just getting distracted from
Speaker 3: your path. Of course, now you're placing it on and
Speaker 3: then you might even shift what you're doing to try
Speaker 3: and a pease them, and then they still won't like it.
Speaker 3: And that's the craziest part, right, You do what you
Speaker 3: want and they don't like it, and then you do
Speaker 3: what they want and they still don't like it, and
Speaker 3: then you don't know who you are anymore, and no
Speaker 3: one likes it and you don't like it either, and
Speaker 3: you end up not liking yourself trying to get everyone
Speaker 3: else to like you. That's where you don't want to
Speaker 3: be at, and that's where you don't want to be at.
Speaker 1: And then you're kind of like back to a square one,
Speaker 1: you know, position of like okay, having to re establish
Speaker 1: yourself and you know you got to be right with
Speaker 1: yourself first. So you nailed it right on the head. Man,
Speaker 1: It's like, you know you can't, you can't really do
Speaker 1: you live your life for other people. I always say
Speaker 1: that's a business you'll never be successful at, as the
Speaker 1: business of trying to please everyone, and then when you
Speaker 1: do please everyone, it's like, are you pleasing yourself?
Speaker 3: It's a hard it's a hard lesson as well for people,
Speaker 3: because we will naturally want to make the people around
Speaker 3: us happy. And our childhood has so much to do
Speaker 3: with that. You know. We were speaking a bit earlier
Speaker 3: and I was talking about how like I was the
Speaker 3: peacemaker in my family, I was the mediator. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was the young one as a ten year old, wow,
Speaker 3: And so I was always trying to keep the peace
Speaker 3: and listen to people and understand them and understand what
Speaker 3: was going on. And so I always had to read
Speaker 3: in between the lines and I always had to have
Speaker 3: a great sense of when something was going to kick
Speaker 3: off and how did And I wasn't trying to make
Speaker 3: peace in the sense of like everyone's just got to
Speaker 3: get along. I was always trying to get to the
Speaker 3: root of it and go what healings needed here? And
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just always did that.
Speaker 1: And you know what, you know what's special about that, man,
Speaker 1: is that I think that we choose our parents before
Speaker 1: you know, I think as spirits we choose our parents.
Speaker 1: This's is what I believe, right, It's just a concept
Speaker 1: that I believe. And some people be like, well that's
Speaker 1: I was in a family where it wasn't easy this
Speaker 1: and I would have never chosen that.
Speaker 2: But you don't understand that.
Speaker 1: You know, to be one the billion of sperm that
Speaker 1: make it into the egg and come sensual life, you
Speaker 1: really fought to be in this world, right, And I
Speaker 1: truly believe that God doesn't give you what you want.
Speaker 1: God gives you what you need first and foremost, and
Speaker 1: you don't know how the development. There are some people
Speaker 1: who need a nurturing family that's perfect, right, And then
Speaker 1: there are some people who actually learn maybe even more and.
Speaker 2: Become more of a.
Speaker 1: Positive force for the world to change it by learning
Speaker 1: of what not to do from their parents directly all
Speaker 1: the time or not all the time, but like in
Speaker 1: certain situations, you know.
Speaker 2: So I just think.
Speaker 1: That you know, you being the mediator you were, You
Speaker 1: were on a course you were learning at such a
Speaker 1: young age of things to apply or what not to
Speaker 1: apply to your marriage. And the fact that you were that,
Speaker 1: because we talked about it off camera, the fact that
Speaker 1: you were a mediator, the fact that you were that
Speaker 1: for your family at such a young age, it's just
Speaker 1: incredible because look at the path that has led you to. Man,
Speaker 1: you're impacting everybody. Man, You're impacting like the world you know,
Speaker 1: and me and families, and you're really changing it with
Speaker 1: like the person you are in the heart that you
Speaker 1: have have you know.
Speaker 2: So wow, I'm just I just got to pay my
Speaker 2: respect to you.
Speaker 3: No, you're too kind. Man. I got lucky. I met
Speaker 3: good men. I feel like important people we've talked about
Speaker 3: in previous interviews. When you've come on about your mother's
Speaker 3: role in your life, Oh and how pivotal she was
Speaker 3: and for me, my monk teachers. You met Ratherandswami when
Speaker 3: he came to my him over a couple of years back,
Speaker 3: and you met him, and meeting him was so pivotal
Speaker 3: to my whole spiritual journey. I was going to ask
Speaker 3: him and talk about kids picking their parents. Noah picked you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did talk.
Speaker 3: To us about how fatherhood has transformed your views on
Speaker 3: the learning experience, of what you've learned from fatherhood that
Speaker 3: you couldn't have learned from anything else.
Speaker 1: Well, when you have a kid and you see them
Speaker 1: and they look like you, and they look like their mom,
Speaker 1: you see that they smile like you, or smile like
Speaker 1: her or how you know, you see all these things
Speaker 1: and you realize, okay, and then they kind of look
Speaker 1: like my brother, and they kind of look like her
Speaker 1: granddad and her you know, all these different family members, right,
Speaker 1: and you're like, this is really crazy, and he'll do
Speaker 1: something that is like reminiscent of what you used to do.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So then I realized that, Okay, the DNA is like
Speaker 1: a computer. It's information that gets passed on on and
Speaker 1: on and on, right, So you're really the culmination of
Speaker 1: a whole lineage, right and in you. So one of
Speaker 1: the things that I learned from him, because there are
Speaker 1: times in my life where I'm like, man, I wish
Speaker 1: I could talk to my grandma. You know, my grandma
Speaker 1: was a female black captain in World War two.
Speaker 2: Man, she was crazy.
Speaker 1: She was incredible, and like or my granddad they met
Speaker 1: in World War two, right, or like I wish I
Speaker 1: could like I'll be like, man, I wish I could
Speaker 1: like speak to them or like get advice from them. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, I only known them as a little kid.
Speaker 1: And then I realized that the information is already in me.
Speaker 1: All I have to do is just go deeper within
Speaker 1: and really connect with that. And that's something that I
Speaker 1: learned from my son being born. Somehow that clicked. Is
Speaker 1: like he is the culmination of our lineage, all the
Speaker 1: DNA from my side, from his mom's side and so
Speaker 1: on and so forth, and he's got he's got something
Speaker 1: special going on. So that's one thing I learned. And
Speaker 1: another thing I learned is to go back to the
Speaker 1: simplistic beauties of life. When we're on walks out in nature.
Speaker 1: He's so fascinated with like the flowers and the birds
Speaker 1: and like just like oh this or that or bug
Speaker 1: b you know, he's like and it just given me
Speaker 1: a whole new excitement for that. Yeah, And I really
Speaker 1: appreciate him for teaching me. I feel like he's teaching
Speaker 1: me as much as we teach him. I feel like
Speaker 1: he's teaching all of us a lot as well. And
Speaker 1: he's also teaching all of us that, like, hey, we
Speaker 1: can be happy right now. He's like, even if he's
Speaker 1: like distraught or something, he'll go do something be happy
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, chooses it. And I love that.
Speaker 3: Man. I'm so glad I ask you asked you that
Speaker 3: question because I knew you'd have such a deep answer
Speaker 3: for it, like your answer. The first part of it,
Speaker 3: the idea that your child has all of that within
Speaker 3: Like you were just saying you wish you could talk
Speaker 3: to your grandparents, which I wish I could interview your grandparents.
Speaker 3: I mean that sounds like a phenomenal you journey and
Speaker 3: story to hear about it, And I want to know
Speaker 3: how much more you know about what they did or
Speaker 3: how much you don't. But I love the idea that
Speaker 3: we actually have it encapsulated within us. It gets coded
Speaker 3: in us, it is and even if we're unaware of it.
Speaker 3: And I was talking to a researcher the other day.
Speaker 3: I was doing some research for my next book, and
Speaker 3: she was talking to me. We were finding this research
Speaker 3: that was talking about how when kids are told their
Speaker 3: ancestral stories, they have a much deeper sense of belonging.
Speaker 3: And so the reason why so many of us feel
Speaker 3: so lost today is we've never been told deep stories
Speaker 3: about where our parents come from, where our grandparents come from,
Speaker 3: what they went through, not in a way to make
Speaker 3: us feel like a victim or a feel at a disadvantage,
Speaker 3: but to hear a story from the perspective of this
Speaker 3: is your heritage, and then you feel like you belong
Speaker 3: to something so much more, bigger and beyond you, whereas
Speaker 3: most of us are just like, oh, yeah, I'm from
Speaker 3: West Hollywood or whatever. Right, it's such a like you know,
Speaker 3: it's like a temporary residence, it is, but like when
Speaker 3: you know you belong to something eternal. Like I was
Speaker 3: talking to the research I was saying that in my life,
Speaker 3: the things that have helped me the most when I'm
Speaker 3: going through a tough time, a difficult time, a real low,
Speaker 3: is recognizing that I'm part of a five thousand year
Speaker 3: old tradition. So when I'm repeating the geta, which is
Speaker 3: a five thousand year old scripture, which is the text
Speaker 3: I learned as a monk. When I realize I'm connected
Speaker 3: to that lineage, I feel unstoppable because I'm like that
Speaker 3: survived for five thousand years. I'm going to be all right.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be okay, right. Whereas when you just think like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: you know, I've just been on the planet for like
Speaker 3: that years and I'm trying to figure it out, it
Speaker 3: can feel quite uncomfortable. And so I love what you're
Speaker 3: saying that actually, inside your son Noah, there is the coding. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all his grandparents.
Speaker 1: It is, and all of us. It's like time traveling.
Speaker 1: People always try and figure out how to preserve themselves.
Speaker 1: You know, the expression, oh I'm living through my kids
Speaker 1: or I'm living that's real. I've realized how much power
Speaker 1: these simple expressions have communication can save a nation, or
Speaker 1: like you know, but like, yeah, I really feel like
Speaker 1: we always try and think like, oh, there's not enough time,
Speaker 1: there's not enough time. There's a real, real, real truth
Speaker 1: to I'm living through my kids or whoever or whoever
Speaker 1: you choose to I don't even think it has to
Speaker 1: be your kids. I think that your blood, your lineage,
Speaker 1: it's like you really are you really do time travel?
Speaker 1: You know, a thousand years from night. There may be
Speaker 1: some descendants that look like us, you know, or like slight.
Speaker 1: You know, you'd be like, oh, you know, I look
Speaker 1: like my dad's dad, you do. Yeah, I've never met him,
Speaker 1: you know, he unfortunately passed, you know, when I was
Speaker 1: super little.
Speaker 2: I never even met him. But he's a part of
Speaker 2: me too.
Speaker 1: And I think that's also why it's important to work
Speaker 1: on yourself and to heal certain traumatic experiences because with
Speaker 1: all this information we pass on, you also pass.
Speaker 2: On the good and the bad, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So said, you know, you heal things health wise, and
Speaker 1: you heal things traumatic wise, you know, or trauma wise,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's really important to work on yourself physically, mentally, emotionally,
Speaker 1: and spiritually because you pass on all of that as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, man, I mean that's what's so interesting, right,
Speaker 3: Like within you you have the coding of the greatness, yeah,
Speaker 3: and the heritage and you the coding of the unhealed
Speaker 3: generational trauma that keeps being passed down. What was what
Speaker 3: was something you had to look at in your background
Speaker 3: and past generationally traumatically that wasn't healed that. You were like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to pass this to Noah, like this
Speaker 3: has to stop this time.
Speaker 1: Oh so many things, so many like uh, worry one thing.
Speaker 1: I used to worry so much create all of these
Speaker 1: scenarios in my head. And I think that's like a
Speaker 1: double edged sword. You know, when you have an imagination
Speaker 1: in your creative you create right, so you can create good.
Speaker 2: You could create bad, but.
Speaker 1: They're they're one of the experience of life has taught
Speaker 1: me it to never worry. No matter what, You're gonna
Speaker 1: be fine, you know. I think one of my biggest
Speaker 1: fears used to be, like, what if I lose everything right,
Speaker 1: and what if I have to go back to, you know,
Speaker 1: growing up in Detroit and the hood blah blah blah
Speaker 1: and I and then it's.
Speaker 2: Just like, well I was I could.
Speaker 1: I was happy there too, Like I shouldn't be scared
Speaker 1: to lose any of this stuff because this stuff is conditional,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna be good wherever I'm at.
Speaker 1: I remember when I talked to side Googu, I was like,
Speaker 1: where's your favorite place in the world. He's like, wherever
Speaker 1: I'm at and I was like, damn, you know, so
Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to that that like that's
Speaker 1: one of the things I don't want to pass.
Speaker 2: On to him. It's like, you never have to worry,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: You know, you could, you could be fueled, you could
Speaker 1: let something inspire you to be greater, you could let
Speaker 1: something light a fire under you. But like, don't ever
Speaker 1: worry because you have what it takes to to get
Speaker 1: to wherever you got to get to, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, how do you kind of imprint that in
Speaker 3: a young child?
Speaker 1: Like how do you you do you imprint that in
Speaker 1: a young child by building up his confidence? And that's
Speaker 1: one of the things I love about my boy is
Speaker 1: like he's so confident. He's like, you know, I never am.
Speaker 1: Like that's something that I want to keep feeding him.
Speaker 1: Even on the song I wrote about him on my album,
Speaker 1: I said, I see my inner child in him, instilled
Speaker 1: the remnants. Will he lose it to the world as
Speaker 1: an imminent or is it something that me and his
Speaker 1: mom have instilled in him? And the confidence you lose
Speaker 1: you could build again. It's like yeah, and like I
Speaker 1: just want to water that. I think that when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, my mom and my dad came up
Speaker 1: in like a civil rights moment in the country. Like
Speaker 1: my mom had to drink from like a different water fountain.
Speaker 1: You know, my family has been through a lot. My
Speaker 1: mom's great aunt, who was like an old woman. My
Speaker 1: mom will go visit her in North Carolina, was born
Speaker 1: a slave. So that just goes to show you how
Speaker 1: close that that lineage is.
Speaker 2: Too right.
Speaker 1: It's like it kind of feels like it's so far away,
Speaker 1: but it's not. She was an old woman and my
Speaker 1: mom was a baby. But my mom is alive now,
Speaker 1: so the connection of that is like few and far between.
Speaker 2: My point being is that my mom and my.
Speaker 1: Dad did the best that they could, but they can
Speaker 1: from an era where they had to really be don't
Speaker 1: be too loud, be controlled, don't do but get out
Speaker 1: of line.
Speaker 2: Like you know, my mom would be like when.
Speaker 1: You get pulled over, like make sure your hat is off,
Speaker 1: and like you they see you faith and you be
Speaker 1: respectful and and I think there was a lot to that,
Speaker 1: but it was it was coming from a little bit
Speaker 1: of a fear based place sometimes. And that's something that
Speaker 1: I've recognized and that's something that my mom has helped
Speaker 1: me recognize too through all of the knowledge she's.
Speaker 2: Given me and my dad.
Speaker 1: But like one of the things I want to pass
Speaker 1: on to him is that like, be confident in who
Speaker 1: you are because you have what it takes. He has
Speaker 1: you get to already tell you has a great heart,
Speaker 1: He has a great spirit. He loves making trying to
Speaker 1: make people laugh, you know, not even at two years old.
Speaker 1: He was like before, like one year old, like telling
Speaker 1: you know, trying to like make you smile. And it's
Speaker 1: just like I just want to keep water in that
Speaker 1: confidence in him, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And that confidence kind of talks nicely to
Speaker 3: the second practice. In your book, you talk about strategizing. Yeah, strategizing,
Speaker 3: And I love that you went there because I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people see spirituality and strategy as opposite, opposite,
Speaker 3: or they separate them, right, And I know we've always
Speaker 3: vibed on the fact that to me, they go hand
Speaker 3: in hand absolutely, because strategy is just intentionality in action, right,
Speaker 3: Like That's that's.
Speaker 2: What it is. Strategy is intentionality and action, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have intention and then you get activated around
Speaker 3: an intention and that's how you strategize. But I think
Speaker 3: often people think strategy has to be conniving or like
Speaker 3: some sort of manipulation. But that's not what you mean.
Speaker 3: So when you say we need to get strategic, how
Speaker 3: do we build the skill of becoming strategic? And what
Speaker 3: does it mean?
Speaker 1: Well, I think you recognize, like you said, is just
Speaker 1: some strategy.
Speaker 2: To me, is the key to.
Speaker 1: Getting is one of the keys to move from where
Speaker 1: you are to where you have to be because you
Speaker 1: identify where you desire to be. Because you identify so
Speaker 1: much and you get to you get to research, you
Speaker 1: get to.
Speaker 2: Plot and plan. Nothing. You know, nothing.
Speaker 1: That is really amazing in life is doesn't come without
Speaker 1: a plan, you know what I mean. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of spontaneous things, and I do believe in the
Speaker 1: energy of spontaneity and like, but strategizing, to me, is
Speaker 1: so important and there's so many ways to do it.
Speaker 2: You know, you could like study someone from Afar.
Speaker 1: That's kind of one of the beauties of the Internet
Speaker 1: is like you can kind of study and know someone
Speaker 1: you really respect. Or you may have someone in your family,
Speaker 1: or you may have someone in your neighborhood, or you
Speaker 1: may have someone but even say someone from across the
Speaker 1: world that you really respect. You can study a lot
Speaker 1: of their what they have put out in the world,
Speaker 1: and sometimes that's all you need. There have been times
Speaker 1: where or when you get to know someone fully, you
Speaker 1: might get let down a little bit. It's like because
Speaker 1: you have all these expectations and you meet them and
Speaker 1: it's like, wait, what you know? But I think there
Speaker 1: comes again the power of separation, like you got to
Speaker 1: separate that and you know.
Speaker 2: So I know I'm talking a lot, but good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that, like strategizing is a real
Speaker 1: key to happiness, you know, and strategy it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be like a deep thing. Strategizing could just be
Speaker 1: as simple as writing your intentions down, strategizing your day.
Speaker 2: How are you going to approach this?
Speaker 1: I always like, before I get into a studio session
Speaker 1: or anything, I always like meditate and I write down
Speaker 1: what I would like to experience in the session, you know,
Speaker 1: what would I like to get done, how would that feel?
Speaker 1: And I kind of lock onto that feeling before I
Speaker 1: go and do do what I gotta do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad that you pointed out that strategizing it
Speaker 3: starts with studying, because then it becomes you study something
Speaker 3: and then you apply it, and that's what strategy is
Speaker 3: you study it first and then you apply it. And
Speaker 3: I was thinking about it as you were saying, like
Speaker 3: strategizing your day. I was thinking about if you think
Speaker 3: about New York, it's a grid system. That's a strategy.
Speaker 3: It's a strategy, like that's what it is. If you
Speaker 3: look at if you travel to Europe, you'll see there
Speaker 3: was a strategy in how towns were built where like
Speaker 3: the church would be in the middle of the town,
Speaker 3: it'd be a river flowing through the middle, there'd be
Speaker 3: a bridge over the river. There was a strategy and
Speaker 3: how it was built in order to create an experience
Speaker 3: of the city. And I feel, you know, that's what
Speaker 3: it is. It's thinking about your life and thinking what
Speaker 3: are the pillars and priorities in my life, Like what
Speaker 3: are the things that are like almost like building a
Speaker 3: city exactly right, He goes, Okay, well, a city needs
Speaker 3: a fire station because sometimes there's going to be a fire.
Speaker 3: It needs a school because I need to learn. It
Speaker 3: needs a hospital because sometimes you're going to get ill.
Speaker 3: Like what does a city need? And you've got to
Speaker 3: look at your life in the same way and go
Speaker 3: what is my life life need?
Speaker 1: And sometimes that's exactly what your life needs. A structure,
Speaker 1: you know, when you feel like you're all over the
Speaker 1: place and things aren't happening, sometimes you just need a
Speaker 1: little bit of structure and strategy to jump started and
Speaker 1: build the foundation to build on, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's a perfect analogy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the best strategy you ever built to
Speaker 3: achieve something in your life? What example would you give
Speaker 3: from your own journey? When were you most strategic effectively?
Speaker 1: There have been times where I was very strategic in
Speaker 1: times where I wasn't. And one of the times in
Speaker 1: my life where strategy really helped out was just like
Speaker 1: I would say, securing my first record deal. I always
Speaker 1: knew I would get a record deal. I would talk
Speaker 1: about it frequently with my friends in eighth grade. I
Speaker 1: would talk about when I A when I sell out,
Speaker 1: the this, the this, when I was, when I sell
Speaker 1: out the Palace Auvary Hill, all these things that I
Speaker 1: did ended up doing later. I just knew it was
Speaker 1: going to happen. I just didn't know how. And we
Speaker 1: all know that you can make plans and God laughs
Speaker 1: at it. But I really feel like when your heart's
Speaker 1: in the right place and you have the intentions and
Speaker 1: you put a little bit of strategy to it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Like one of the things that I've always wanted to
Speaker 1: do is like, Okay, how can I get on the radio?
Speaker 2: You know? How can I be?
Speaker 1: How can I how can I be on the radio.
Speaker 1: Then I, you know, did some homework and my friend, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a radio show where you can battle rap and
Speaker 1: end up wrapping on the radio, you know, and people, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a way to get on the radio. So how
Speaker 1: do I get down there?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Oh so I need a ride down there. I would
Speaker 1: like plan out every aspect. I need to make sure
Speaker 1: I have a ride to get to the radio station to.
Speaker 2: Be able to battle rap.
Speaker 1: Okay, I need to plan I need to write a
Speaker 1: rap for the when I get on the radio, so
Speaker 1: I have something to wrap over, you know. And so
Speaker 1: it's like you strategize every aspect of it and it
Speaker 1: can be fun. It doesn't have to feel like homework.
Speaker 1: It don't got to feel like school work. None of
Speaker 1: us want to do more work. In fact, when you strategize,
Speaker 1: you probably are emanating a lot of work, a lot
Speaker 1: more work. Don't get full thinking that like you're getting
Speaker 1: ahead by not doing the work. I'm telling you, when
Speaker 1: you strategize and plan things out, you're eliminating hours of work.
Speaker 1: So that is the reason. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: us may not have time to read this book. You
Speaker 1: think like, I don't have time to read a book.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you like reading a book, not just my book,
Speaker 1: but a book that impacts you saves time.
Speaker 2: It doesn't take time.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm so glad you said that, because yeah, that's
Speaker 3: all it does. All it does when you're learning, all
Speaker 3: it does is saved time. It stops you from making mistakes.
Speaker 3: It helps you avoid the ones that someone else made
Speaker 3: before you. You probably make some new mistakes, for sure, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you'll avoid so many. And I loved what you
Speaker 3: said the way you broke it down, like, ultimately, strategizing
Speaker 3: is building steps to that goal, and you're trying to
Speaker 3: break it down to the step that I can do
Speaker 3: today and now. Yes, that is small and easy all
Speaker 3: the way up. And I love the way you work
Speaker 3: backwards where it's like, all right, I want to be
Speaker 3: on the radio. Yeah, all right, let me break that
Speaker 3: down way a minute. That means I need to go this.
Speaker 3: That means I need to do this. That means first
Speaker 3: I need to do this. Okay, that means right now,
Speaker 3: I just need to do this. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 3: sometimes we live on level twenty one of where we
Speaker 3: want to go, but then we haven't got the elevated
Speaker 3: down to level zero to go up, right, Like we
Speaker 3: just mind is in level twenty.
Speaker 1: One and we get mad that we're not on level
Speaker 1: twenty one. And I'm a victim of that, And I
Speaker 1: think that you know, I've gone through experience. I'm not
Speaker 1: a victim. I have done that before. I've experienced that,
Speaker 1: so I know how frustrating it could be. But don't
Speaker 1: let it stress you unless you let it unless it's
Speaker 1: you stress. There's distress, and then there's you stress, and
Speaker 1: that you stress can motivate you. It really can't. It
Speaker 1: could light a fire under you. Go through a distress
Speaker 1: can kind of weigh you down. So you have the
Speaker 1: power to take any aspect, even depression, and let it
Speaker 1: either or weigh you down or let it fuel you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: I know it's a lot of people frustrated. I get frustrated. Still,
Speaker 1: I'm nowhere near perfect. I'm not talking to you as
Speaker 1: an expert in any way. Shape or form. I'm literally
Speaker 1: talking to you as a reflection of you and someone
Speaker 1: who has gone through these experiences and have just like
Speaker 1: and given the game that I've learned, you know, and
Speaker 1: straight black and white and examples of how I've done it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, for sure, you've gave us an idea of
Speaker 3: when you were strategic, what was the time when you
Speaker 3: hat it right?
Speaker 1: So there are times where yeah, I've let things go,
Speaker 1: I didn't strategize, Like there's always things you haven't thought
Speaker 1: about that you got to come back to later, like
Speaker 1: when I had to fell out with some family members,
Speaker 1: like even my mom. My relationship got tainted for a
Speaker 1: long time and it was like I was not calling her,
Speaker 1: I was not checking in, I wasn't doing anything that
Speaker 1: a sun and now having a son, I really feel
Speaker 1: the depth of that, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I could have strategized that better, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? I could have strategized a lot of things better,
Speaker 1: and you always have twenty twenty in hindsight.
Speaker 3: Totally, totally, totally no, And I agree. It's just good
Speaker 3: to know because yeah, it's the same for me. And
Speaker 3: I love how you said that strategy is also sometimes
Speaker 3: with people, you know, like we say the wrong thing
Speaker 3: at the wrong time. Well, you say the right thing
Speaker 3: but at the wrong time, or you say the right
Speaker 3: thing but in the wrong way, or you say the
Speaker 3: right thing but in the wrong place, or you say
Speaker 3: the right thing and you know, to the wrong person.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it has to be strategic because otherwise
Speaker 3: it's not digested. We just think as long as I'm
Speaker 3: saying the right thing, everything will be okay. Yeah, But
Speaker 3: if you say the right thing in the wrong place
Speaker 3: to the wrong person at the wrong time and the
Speaker 3: wrong way, with the wrong word the wrong language, it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter how true the thing you said was right.
Speaker 3: And that's what strategy is, is going Wait, how do
Speaker 3: I make sure this lens?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: Like what is it? What is required for this to
Speaker 3: actually have an impact on someone and to serve them
Speaker 3: and help them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what we're here to do, is to
Speaker 1: serve in every aspect. It's always comes down to being
Speaker 1: of service, you know, in anything we put out there,
Speaker 1: in any interview, in any book, in any song, it's
Speaker 1: really of service to whatever the moment it relates to,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So yeah, and that yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right saying the right thing to the wrong. And
Speaker 1: the thing is, you're kind of the only one who
Speaker 1: can dictate, you know, right and wrong. It's so opinionated
Speaker 1: depending on who you talk to. Sure, you know, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who think that, you know,
Speaker 1: any anything that we could think is wrong. Somebody could
Speaker 1: argue how it's right, you know, even down to black
Speaker 1: and white. Somebody can argue that this text that says
Speaker 1: the exact same thing means this thing, and or this
Speaker 1: means that thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So I think it's important to come from a place
Speaker 1: of understanding. And this leads to something else I want
Speaker 1: to talk about, because just because you understand something doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you have to accept it just because you understand it,
Speaker 1: And that's something that I had to learn the hard way.
Speaker 1: I thought that I was being this spiritual guy by
Speaker 1: if I get into a disagreement with someone understanding where
Speaker 1: they come from and then ultimately turns to me not
Speaker 1: respecting myself because I'll understand where they're coming from and
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I get it. But the fact that
Speaker 1: I still get it it doesn't mean that I can't
Speaker 1: express myself and I'm not valid. So I want to
Speaker 1: make sure that everyone knows that because I think that
Speaker 1: that was something that I learned, is to set boundaries.
Speaker 1: And that's like that big B word. That's like the
Speaker 1: biggest B word there is is boundaries that I've learned
Speaker 1: this year, and like that has really really really changed
Speaker 1: a lot of tynamics with people and change a lot
Speaker 1: of It's really created a lot of happiness in my life.
Speaker 3: Why did boundaries become so prominent in the last year,
Speaker 3: As you said.
Speaker 1: I think I was trying to be a hero in
Speaker 1: every situation I was in. I'm some empathetic person, so
Speaker 1: I love to I really can feel when people are
Speaker 1: going through something, even when the world is going through something.
Speaker 1: It's like I kind of really have to like really
Speaker 1: protect myself energetically because I take on a lot of
Speaker 1: people's problems. You know what I'm saying, I can't help it,
Speaker 1: and it's not a good I don't look at it
Speaker 1: as a bad thing.
Speaker 2: I just look at it as how I am.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Do I wish sometimes that I could just cut things off? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it had taught me that I can. I just
Speaker 1: have to set boundaries on what I can and can't accept.
Speaker 2: And this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a lot of things that I was
Speaker 1: tired of feeling uncomfortable in certain situations.
Speaker 2: I was tired of letting people walk all over me.
Speaker 1: And just because I understood or I get it, I'm
Speaker 1: not respecting myself. And I didn't realize that I wasn't
Speaker 1: respecting myself in that. You know, there are times where yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to I can't go to this thing, I
Speaker 1: can't do this or you know what, I can't go here.
Speaker 1: I can't go to Dubai and do this show because
Speaker 1: I have to be here for my son. I got
Speaker 1: to take my son trick or treating. You know, I
Speaker 1: had to say some of those boundaries that may have
Speaker 1: cost me one.
Speaker 2: Thing, but I gained another.
Speaker 1: And one of the most important things I gained back
Speaker 1: from setting boundaries is the trust in myself, you know,
Speaker 1: the confidence that I feel like I have been building
Speaker 1: up so yes for so long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think we're scared of setting boundaries because
Speaker 3: we are scared of what we lose when we do.
Speaker 3: It could be fomo, it could be you know, the
Speaker 3: fear of becoming irrelevant, the fear of becoming insignificant.
Speaker 2: The fear of losing a person the.
Speaker 3: Fear of losing a person. But I learned that too.
Speaker 3: I remember a time in my life where I had
Speaker 3: so much passion fatigue where I just felt like I
Speaker 3: was there for everyone else, but I had no And
Speaker 3: when I say income, I don't mean financially, I mean
Speaker 3: there was no energy income coming in.
Speaker 1: And you were just a piece of you. You were
Speaker 1: just a part of you at that point, exactly.
Speaker 3: And you're just and it's what you just said. You're
Speaker 3: trying to be a superhero and you're trying to be
Speaker 3: the guy, not in an egotistic way, you actually just
Speaker 3: care about people for real. But I realized very very
Speaker 3: quickly at that time that unless I was full, rested, complete,
Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't actually able to help anyone. I
Speaker 3: was just giving people my leftovers, yeah, and not the
Speaker 3: best of myself.
Speaker 2: And I would enjoy it. And you got to enjoy
Speaker 2: your life too.
Speaker 3: Totally totally, And I just found that what really helped
Speaker 3: me was remembering that I didn't have enough to give
Speaker 3: anyone else if I wasn't in a good place myself period.
Speaker 3: And that didn't mean I wanted to get to a
Speaker 3: good place just for myself. The reason I wanted to
Speaker 3: get to a good place is so I could give
Speaker 3: more good to others, and therefore there had to be
Speaker 3: a structure. They had to be an order of all. Right, well,
Speaker 3: I need to take care of myself. I need to
Speaker 3: be full, I need to be ready, and then I
Speaker 3: can extend myself. But if I keep extending myself to
Speaker 3: everyone else, chances are I get bitter at them. I'll
Speaker 3: get mad at myself, and then I want have anything
Speaker 3: to give. Yes, that's right, right, yeah, And it's an
Speaker 3: interesting one. Boundaries because I feel like I think we
Speaker 3: also think we set boundaries for other people, but we
Speaker 3: do it for ourselves.
Speaker 2: We do it for ourselves because people.
Speaker 3: Always be like, this person keeps breaking my boundaries, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, no, you keep breaking your.
Speaker 1: Boundaries exactly right, No, Yes, it's you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the boundaries forgiveness. They're not just there for you. You know,
Speaker 1: forgiveness is for you as well, and boundaries are for
Speaker 1: you as well. Yeah, it's been tough. I think that
Speaker 1: I grew up letting people walk all over me. I
Speaker 1: think I grew up by letting people take advantage of
Speaker 1: me straight up, you know, just to be real and
Speaker 1: I saw that in my parents, especially my dad. He
Speaker 1: would let people take advantage of him. He was a
Speaker 1: very nice guy. And there's nothing like I said right
Speaker 1: or wrong. It's an opinion, you know, It's just a perspective.
Speaker 1: So I'm not criticizing him or saying he was wrong
Speaker 1: in any way. It's just the kind, spirited hearted person
Speaker 1: he is. But along with that, you do have to
Speaker 1: set your boundaries and respect who you are because you
Speaker 1: will lose a sense of yourself by trying to take
Speaker 1: care of everyone else. You will lose a sense of
Speaker 1: yourself if you don't set these boundaries, you will lose
Speaker 1: the sense of yourself if you don't take the time
Speaker 1: out to keep connecting with yourself, even if it's something
Speaker 1: you love. I lost like the passion of like watching anime.
Speaker 1: I remember why I was working so hard. It's like
Speaker 1: I hadn't sat and watched anime. I love watching anime.
Speaker 1: I love Dragon ball Z, I love like my hero
Speaker 1: Academia and Demon Slayer and even Galiens and all these things,
Speaker 1: and that's just one thing that I love. Right, So
Speaker 1: it's like I have to take time out to do
Speaker 1: that because it is really important to me. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I know all of us have demands, some of us
Speaker 1: have family, some of us work two jobs, three jobs,
Speaker 1: some of us. And you say it's impossible. What I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, if you make that time, you will create
Speaker 1: more time to be the better version of yourself in
Speaker 1: any of those situations.
Speaker 2: I promise you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The other thing that really helped me
Speaker 3: as a boundary. And this doesn't apply if something's life
Speaker 3: threatening or urgent, but some of them, someone would call
Speaker 3: me up and be like, oh, I had to fight
Speaker 3: with my wife, to fight with my husband, and my
Speaker 3: natural inclination was to fix it. So like, yeah, let's
Speaker 3: jump on the phone. I'm going to help you through
Speaker 3: it right.
Speaker 2: Now, because that's how you wear as a ten year.
Speaker 3: Old, because that's how it was as a ten year old.
Speaker 2: Yeah and so on and so forth. Yeah, go ahead, And.
Speaker 3: Then I realized then actually my new response started to
Speaker 3: be yeah, let's talk in three days. And the reason
Speaker 3: was a because maybe I had stuff on and I
Speaker 3: couldn't run to it. Like I said, it doesn't apply
Speaker 3: to lifetime. If someone calls me and goes I got
Speaker 3: to the hospital, obviously I'm going to be there. But
Speaker 3: if someone saying hey, this happened. That happened. I realized
Speaker 3: I may not be in a position to quit everything
Speaker 3: in my life to go and be on this call.
Speaker 3: And those three days that person actually had to do
Speaker 3: some processing for themselves. And when I was just jumping
Speaker 3: on the phone with them, trying to save and solve
Speaker 3: their problem, I was actually just enabling them to not
Speaker 3: have to process it themselves. So most people in three
Speaker 3: days would say to me, They text me and go, gee,
Speaker 3: actually I think I figured it out exactly, and I'd
Speaker 3: be like, great, I'd love to hear it. Let's jump
Speaker 3: on a call. And now they talk to me be like, look,
Speaker 3: I thought about it. You know, they said this. I
Speaker 3: said that, but you know, and it just showed me
Speaker 3: that so much of the time we think we're saving people,
Speaker 3: were actually just an them. And every time we think
Speaker 3: we're going to solve their problem, we're actually just creating
Speaker 3: more issues for them. Because everyone needs to learn to
Speaker 3: process mentally and emotionally themselves.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And so sometimes like jumping in to help someone, you
Speaker 3: actually end up hurting them because yeah, because they need
Speaker 3: to do it themselves. And so sometimes I just said
Speaker 3: that boundary with myself. It wasn't like I don't want
Speaker 3: to be there for my friend or a family member.
Speaker 3: I just realized being there for them meant not being
Speaker 3: there right now, and they didn't know that. But then
Speaker 3: when I saw them benefit from it, I realized that
Speaker 3: actually space sometimes gave them what they needed more than
Speaker 3: my words could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it goes back to that we were talking
Speaker 1: about a lot of the answers are in you, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of there was the things you're looking for,
Speaker 1: the resolutions, they are in you.
Speaker 2: And sometimes it may.
Speaker 1: Take a little wild to rise to the surface, and
Speaker 1: sometimes they'll figure out. But one of the worst things
Speaker 1: you could do is impact somebody in the moment of
Speaker 1: them being emotional or in the moment of rage or
Speaker 1: in the you.
Speaker 2: Know, influencing them.
Speaker 1: It could it could, You could really ruin something, you know,
Speaker 1: because you're feeding off of their emotions.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, just leave, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You should just leave, like instead of just being like, hey,
Speaker 1: take some time to you know, talk through it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really that's a that's a real important, great lesson man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's helped me a lot.
Speaker 1: That's a great way of of exercise and boundaries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Exactly what if what are other daily habits.
Speaker 3: You talk about journaling and meditation in the book, and
Speaker 3: I want to talk about both of them because I
Speaker 3: think they talked about a lot today, but I want
Speaker 3: to hear about your deep, specific habits and how it's
Speaker 3: become such a ritual for you. So let's start with journaling. Like,
Speaker 3: obviously you're a writer anyway.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make it easier.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, like, what's different about writing music?
Speaker 3: Writing the book versus journaling?
Speaker 2: Like, oh, completely different.
Speaker 1: So with music, I don't even like I kind of
Speaker 1: just say when I get in the studio, I kind
Speaker 1: of just let it flow through me. And I learned
Speaker 1: that from like Kanye and jay Z and Common. Now
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who do right on
Speaker 1: paths like Eminem you know, it's amazing to me and
Speaker 1: a lot of people I know. But how I do
Speaker 1: it personally is I just kind of like feel through
Speaker 1: it and let it stream to me and like going
Speaker 1: to mic and like not necessarily freestyle it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: just piece it together. You got to come for a
Speaker 1: session one day. But then when it comes to journaling,
Speaker 1: that's my time where I put like my sword, you know,
Speaker 1: your pin is like your sword to paper, and you
Speaker 1: are setting your strategizing and you're setting your intentions of
Speaker 1: you know, things you may would like to experience. But
Speaker 1: I also like to do like gratitude. For some reason,
Speaker 1: gratitude just seems to magnetize more of the things that
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for in my life. I've seen it work
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, and that's my belief.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So the things that you are grateful for, you have
Speaker 1: to let the world know that you're grateful for it,
Speaker 1: because house is going to know to give it back
Speaker 1: to you, you know, or to bring it to you,
Speaker 1: or to do the people around you. And it also
Speaker 1: is a great way for me to you know, and
Speaker 1: I practice. I am in so much power. So I
Speaker 1: am grateful. I am this, I am happy, I am confident.
Speaker 1: I am happy that I get to sit down and
Speaker 1: talk to my friend Jay today, you know, I am.
Speaker 1: I'm happy I get to whatever the case is, right.
Speaker 1: So that's what I do. And then at the end
Speaker 1: of it, of the journal of the when I do
Speaker 1: the gratitude stuff, and there are times where I write
Speaker 1: how I feel, not as much, I also speak out
Speaker 1: loud by myself. You know, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: processes I do. But when I do that journal, I
Speaker 1: sign it at the at the bottom of it like
Speaker 1: a contract, and I like I sometimes I put it
Speaker 1: is done, or I put like, so be it because
Speaker 1: it's a declaration when I do that, and I sign
Speaker 1: it because it's that important to me.
Speaker 2: I have to sign my contracts.
Speaker 1: I have to sign things that will be upheld as
Speaker 1: an important thing. And that's how the level of importance
Speaker 1: even more that I hold that too, so I sign
Speaker 1: it every time.
Speaker 3: That is so good, man, I've heard that before. I'm
Speaker 3: going to start doing that.
Speaker 2: It's powerful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never signed it.
Speaker 1: That's still it's powerful. And jad does everything I write
Speaker 1: down come to fruition? No, sometimes it does, a lot
Speaker 1: of them do. And then I realize that I'm also
Speaker 1: on God's time. So the things that I've always wanted,
Speaker 1: the things that I've desired, it may not just be
Speaker 1: the right moment in my journey for that.
Speaker 2: But that's the beauty of it. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm still here, I'm still able, I'm still inspired,
Speaker 1: I'm still passionate.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, So that's how I that's how I
Speaker 2: do my journaling.
Speaker 1: I also have like a there's a book I have
Speaker 1: of like poetry too that I like write poems and stuff.
Speaker 1: I've only I only write a few a year, honestly,
Speaker 1: but like I'll like fully write and draw around the
Speaker 1: poem and like it's really like a beautiful art.
Speaker 2: It's just some something I do for fun.
Speaker 1: I haven't actually I've only written one this year, and
Speaker 1: last year I wrote a few, so maybe I maybe
Speaker 1: inspired me to write one today.
Speaker 2: But that's kind of all it is.
Speaker 1: But I don't spend too much time on It takes
Speaker 1: me about five to twelve minutes.
Speaker 3: That's great, max.
Speaker 1: And then I meditate after that because it's kind of
Speaker 1: like it's kind of like a good transition to like
Speaker 1: the energy is set for me to like to meditate,
Speaker 1: because when I meditate, I feel like I'm attracting these
Speaker 1: things more and giving myself the best shot of being
Speaker 1: the most productive, the most impactful that I can be,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's that's kind of the first thing
Speaker 1: I do when I wake up if I can being
Speaker 1: a dad. Though there are times where I get I
Speaker 1: get woken up and I have to go immediately, you know,
Speaker 1: and so I come back to it later on it's
Speaker 1: not preferred that way, but it's a good trade off.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, what does your meditation look like? I love
Speaker 3: because I've learned so much just to now your journal
Speaker 3: I've never heard so be it it is done or
Speaker 3: the signature at the end. I'm going to start practicing
Speaker 3: those three. I like those lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's that important.
Speaker 3: That is beautiful, man, I get that. Like what you
Speaker 3: just said about we signed contracts, signed checks, Like, there's
Speaker 3: very few things we still sign.
Speaker 2: Exactly right, and there very important thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are important documents and that is an important document.
Speaker 3: And then so what about your meditation? What does your
Speaker 3: practice look like?
Speaker 2: It depends.
Speaker 1: I love doing guided meditation. Sometimes I love doing I
Speaker 1: kind of have my own process where I like visualize
Speaker 1: the light of creation, like the light of the sun,
Speaker 1: and it like really filling my whole body up and
Speaker 1: literally everything that doesn't align with that, anything that isn't
Speaker 1: that light and bright, you know what I'm saying, immediately
Speaker 1: leaves my body and goes back into the earth. And like,
Speaker 1: so you know, there are times where I if I'm
Speaker 1: not in nature, I imagine myself in nature and like
Speaker 1: things going back into the earth, and I like surround myself,
Speaker 1: you know, from my I forgot the word that esoteric body.
Speaker 1: I think it's like one inch off of you, then
Speaker 1: your emotional body, then your mental body, and like I
Speaker 1: just do the same thing, Like it's like a shower
Speaker 1: of light. It's like hopping in the shower after you
Speaker 1: work out, like but of light and whatever it is,
Speaker 1: I kind of like cater to how I'm feeling. So
Speaker 1: from there, I'll like, if I have like some row
Speaker 1: on my stomach, I'll like, for some reason, I associate
Speaker 1: green with healing energy, right, and this comes from years
Speaker 1: of like practice, or I associate royal.
Speaker 2: Blue with power, you know, the power of the universe.
Speaker 1: I associate like a red with the love of the universe,
Speaker 1: the love and support of the universe. And like I
Speaker 1: represent like the violet flame of Saint Germaine, like to
Speaker 1: cleanse things that are holding me back.
Speaker 2: Right, So I do.
Speaker 1: I have like quite a process and I break it
Speaker 1: down in a book and afterwards I feel just it
Speaker 1: really makes a big difference. And you know, I read
Speaker 1: this book the Hidden Messages in Water, I believe it's called,
Speaker 1: and it talked about you know, there's like itty bitty
Speaker 1: microscopic crystals in water, and they one of the part
Speaker 1: of the book, the experiment of like how positively when
Speaker 1: you speak to water, like, hey, you're amazing, I love you,
Speaker 1: keep going like you're beautiful. And then they had another
Speaker 1: water a glass or container of water where they said,
Speaker 1: like you suck.
Speaker 2: It's never that, you know, real negative.
Speaker 1: And you look at the crystals and one is like
Speaker 1: a beautiful snowflake looking crystal, and then the other one
Speaker 1: is like distorted and all damaged, and we are seventy
Speaker 1: eighty percent water. So these things, when you write these
Speaker 1: affirmations down, or when you say them out loud, or
Speaker 1: when you journal, these things have a real effect on
Speaker 1: you tremendously, Like scientifically, it's not even like a woo
Speaker 1: woo type of thing. It's not even like it's not
Speaker 1: even up for debate, you know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: literally scientific for the people who are more you know,
Speaker 1: need the proof as opposed to it, you know, more
Speaker 1: analytical than like opinion based. So I just want to
Speaker 1: stress the importance of it.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the most the most honorable people
Speaker 1: that I've met and like what I consider to be successful,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean richest. I just mean successful in
Speaker 1: like the impact what they're doing, how.
Speaker 2: They are they meditate.
Speaker 1: They all, you know, from my favorite rappers down to
Speaker 1: my favorite down to you, you know, down to anyone
Speaker 1: who I just really admire and and and you can
Speaker 1: meditate in your own ways. They're like I know, like
Speaker 1: Janey does different meditations, you know, through sound healing or
Speaker 1: mirror meditations. I know people who do shower meditations, walking.
Speaker 1: There's no wrong way to meditate either. That's another misconception.
Speaker 1: There's no wrong way to do it. The fact that
Speaker 1: you take the intention out or if you focus on
Speaker 1: your breathing, the fact that you take the time out
Speaker 1: to be that conscious of yourself. Over time, you will
Speaker 1: get more and more into it. It's like anything you
Speaker 1: do and you will see the effects of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was what?
Speaker 3: Have you ever meditated with another rapper that was interesting
Speaker 3: or anything like that? Anyone an interesting practice that I
Speaker 3: wouldn't know about. Does Eminem meditate?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 1: I have never meditated with Eminem, but he is a
Speaker 1: very Eminem is a very like amazing person, so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised. I know jay Z does. I haven't
Speaker 1: meditated with him, but I know he does. And you know,
Speaker 1: there are all different ways. You know, sometimes just sitting
Speaker 1: and visualizing and like seeing these things is a form
Speaker 1: of meditation.
Speaker 2: It could be your way.
Speaker 1: So you have to find out these ways that work
Speaker 1: for you, just like therapy. It's like, I can't I
Speaker 1: can tell you how therapy work for me, but you
Speaker 1: may go to a therapist that isn't right for you
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, therapy is whack. But that's not
Speaker 1: that's just you know, a specific situation. A lot of times,
Speaker 1: therapy for me has pushed me to the edge of
Speaker 1: realization and has been the extra push that I needed
Speaker 1: to Sometimes I already knew the answer, but sometimes I
Speaker 1: needed to talk it through, and sometimes I needed to
Speaker 1: really exercise, and sometimes I dealer something new that awakened
Speaker 1: the truth in me through therapy and having someone that
Speaker 1: I could confide and that wasn't a family member, that
Speaker 1: wasn't a best friend, that I wasn't in a relationship with,
Speaker 1: and was able to apply it to all of those
Speaker 1: other relationships and in a very successful way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean in the book you
Speaker 3: talk about how I think it was like in twenty
Speaker 3: six you said you nearly got addicted to adderall when
Speaker 3: you were touring with Rihanna, and I was thinking, like,
Speaker 3: how do you stop yourself like in that moment? What
Speaker 3: was the habit or the tool or the practice was
Speaker 3: it therapy was in meditation? What was it that helped
Speaker 3: you recover.
Speaker 2: From that man?
Speaker 1: So, first of all, adderall is like synthetic, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know they say like heroin all these things, right, Like,
Speaker 1: it's just a lot to it. And I'm really into
Speaker 1: Eastern medicine personally.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I used to have heart, a real bad heart problem
Speaker 1: that I fixed through literally taking magnesium and some other
Speaker 1: supplements that a doctor told me that I had to
Speaker 1: get surgery for it. They told me they had to
Speaker 1: cut my heart open and put a pacemaker in it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So when I started taking adderall, it's because I was
Speaker 1: putting myself on a clock that didn't exist. I was
Speaker 1: putting myself under pressure, and I was living in a
Speaker 1: fear based way. And I started taking add of all
Speaker 1: because I wanted to accomplish more. And it was very well,
Speaker 1: it worked, but at the expense of.
Speaker 2: So many things.
Speaker 1: I honestly, the expense of like my like affecting my
Speaker 1: soul and changing the person that I was and depleting
Speaker 1: my body.
Speaker 2: It shut it off.
Speaker 1: It creates synthetic dopamine in your brain, so it creates
Speaker 1: all this dopamine, but your natural dopamine that is responsible
Speaker 1: for your happiness, for your inspiration, your creativity, who makes
Speaker 1: you who you are, it shuts off. It shuts it off,
Speaker 1: and after a while you're kind of relying on this
Speaker 1: synthetic dopamine only. And I remember as time went on,
Speaker 1: I would go in the studio and I feel like
Speaker 1: I couldn't do anything without it.
Speaker 2: And that's when I knew I had a real problem
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: So I went cold turkey, And that is like that
Speaker 1: was probably the second bout of depression in my life
Speaker 1: that I went through.
Speaker 2: That was like real.
Speaker 1: That's when I was like wanting to kill myself, Like
Speaker 1: I was just like my mom was playing all these
Speaker 1: tricks on me, right, And it didn't matter that I had,
Speaker 1: like I would have had a big ass house in
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. It didn't matter that I had millions of
Speaker 1: dollars in the account, And it didn't matter because as
Speaker 1: great as a lot of those things are, they're still separate.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a Lincoln Parks shirts through you know, Chester.
Speaker 1: I can't speak from God rest his soul, but like,
Speaker 1: who would think that, Like, oh, that someone you know
Speaker 1: who's one of the biggest rock stars in the world
Speaker 1: and the band regardless of you know, what they talked
Speaker 1: about their music, like would do that you know? Or
Speaker 1: the delete you know, Kirk Cobain, you know all these things, right,
Speaker 1: So it's because it's all separate, you know. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that money can't make you happy.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 1: I don't like when like people, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: like when rich people get on Cameron be like, money
Speaker 1: isn't everything.
Speaker 2: It isn't everything, but it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a resource that is very needed in every in
Speaker 1: anything you need to do in this world. I agree
Speaker 1: you need it, So it is important. It's very important.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like sit in here and say it isn't.
Speaker 1: But it was separate from what I had to deal
Speaker 1: with at the time, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: I went cold turkey and that's when I stopped everything
Speaker 1: I was doing and I called my mom, who we
Speaker 1: weren't on great terms, and she came out and was
Speaker 1: in my house with me and entry.
Speaker 2: My mom has always shout out my dad too.
Speaker 1: My dad is with me today and he's like, man,
Speaker 1: make sure you shot me out too, Like, yeah, i'mnna
Speaker 1: shot you.
Speaker 2: Out too, Like my dad is great.
Speaker 1: But my mom at that point and those certain points
Speaker 1: in my life, just a few key points, she knew
Speaker 1: what she had a solution to offer me always and
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. It's something I hope to do
Speaker 1: for my kid and kids. And she was like introduced
Speaker 1: me to you know, she was who put me on meditation.
Speaker 1: She just would always introduce me to certain things. Try this,
Speaker 1: try this method. And then I started realizing how connect
Speaker 1: the physical, mental, emotional, spiritual art, and I started working out.
Speaker 1: I started prioritizing myself and started putting me first, started
Speaker 1: reconnecting with things I wanted to do, started trying new things,
Speaker 1: jumping out of planes I was doing, going to the
Speaker 1: gun range, just trying things out that I was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's interesting, let me try it. And it really helped
Speaker 1: me reconnect with myself. I started watching anime again, and
Speaker 1: then you know, I had to take a break from
Speaker 1: the studio because I wasn't I couldn't think of anything,
Speaker 1: and then I finally got back in and was inspired again.
Speaker 1: And life is the greatest inspiration. But what I can
Speaker 1: say is to people who are addicted to adderall and
Speaker 1: like other drugs, that that synthetic high is very temporary,
Speaker 1: and it said at an expense, And it's different when
Speaker 1: people who have ADHD who necessarily need it. But there
Speaker 1: are even other ways to deal with that. And I
Speaker 1: guarantee you they will take less of your body. You know,
Speaker 1: these things like when these prescriptions they mess up your kidneys,
Speaker 1: your liver and as simple as that sounds, these your liver,
Speaker 1: your gut, messing up your gut. Your gut is your
Speaker 1: second brain. It dictates so much more than we've been
Speaker 1: let on to know. I think that's why Roddy is
Speaker 1: so you know, into the food, because it's not just food.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's it's so much more than that.
Speaker 1: So I know I'm running on and on, but my
Speaker 1: point is that it was very tough, but you get
Speaker 1: through it and they're on the other side of it.
Speaker 1: You You you come out as like a true champion
Speaker 1: and you're the source of it. And there's no better
Speaker 1: drug or high than being high.
Speaker 2: Off life.
Speaker 1: There is no better thing because you're the actual drug,
Speaker 1: You're the actual source of it. It's not something you
Speaker 1: have to take to get to there. It's like you
Speaker 1: are and there's you'll be. You can soar, you can
Speaker 1: go go higher than.
Speaker 3: Yeah, real, How do you feel your grandmother would feel
Speaker 3: reading this these pages?
Speaker 1: My grandma was one of the first people to give
Speaker 1: me a book of It was a book about King Solomon,
Speaker 1: and that book changed my life. And it talks about
Speaker 1: the strategies of King Solomon, how he had his ran
Speaker 1: his business, how he strategized, how you know how King
Speaker 1: Solomon he didn't He wanted wisdom. That's what he wanted
Speaker 1: and that's why he was granted everything else. That's why
Speaker 1: he was the richest man who ever lived, is because
Speaker 1: that's not what he was.
Speaker 2: He didn't seek the power.
Speaker 1: He sought the wisdom to help people, and God gave
Speaker 1: him the resources by making him the richest man.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So anyway, you know, so my grandma, she was like
Speaker 1: one of the first female black captains in World War Two.
Speaker 1: She was one of the first like female police officers,
Speaker 1: a teacher, a counselor. She was incredible, right, her and
Speaker 1: my granddad met in World War two, and she was
Speaker 1: the example of hard work, the example of nothing is something.
Speaker 1: She lived on the street called out Her Drive, which
Speaker 1: was that's where Marvin Gaye used to live when he
Speaker 1: lived in Detroit.
Speaker 2: It's like a real prestigious street.
Speaker 1: And I can imagine that that was like one of
Speaker 1: her proudest accomplishments. So I really got loved for I
Speaker 1: think she would read this book and be proud, you know,
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know.
Speaker 1: As a scholar, she would probably be like correcting some
Speaker 1: of my grammar work and you know, things like that,
Speaker 1: but she would be very proud. She was very strict
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, and she believed that education,
Speaker 1: going to college was a way to a better life.
Speaker 1: And I went a different way. I didn't go to college.
Speaker 1: I was like when instead I went to the music
Speaker 1: and she know I had respect for it because I
Speaker 1: always had good grades. But even when I chose the
Speaker 1: exact opposite of what she wanted me to do, she
Speaker 1: supported me wholeheartedly. And I spent all the bonds she
Speaker 1: saved up, all the money saved up for college, I
Speaker 1: spent it all on studio sessions, and I can't imagine
Speaker 1: how mad or how pissed off that might have made her.
Speaker 1: But through it all, she supported me, and I just
Speaker 1: appreciate it. She just shows me how much she valued family.
Speaker 1: And I was able to buy a house for her
Speaker 1: and my mom before they passed. She actually saw the
Speaker 1: music payoff. And we used to watch all these Westerns
Speaker 1: and Jeopardy and all these things. And I remember she
Speaker 1: was watching Jeopardy and I was actually a question on Jeopardy,
Speaker 1: and you know, I taught to her on the phone
Speaker 1: and she was so like wow, like you know, and
Speaker 1: it used to tear me apart when things weren't working
Speaker 1: out and I was spending her money on the studio sessions.
Speaker 1: And we would have Sunday dinner every Sunday and I
Speaker 1: would have to go and sit there and she'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: what's going on with the music? You know you need
Speaker 1: to Why don't you just apply to community college? Like
Speaker 1: you could have been halfway with a degree by now.
Speaker 1: It's been two years. It's been you know, all this time,
Speaker 1: and it broke my heart every Sunday, and I did
Speaker 1: give up, you know, at one point, I did give up.
Speaker 1: So at one point I was over it. I was
Speaker 1: over music. It wasn't going anywhere.
Speaker 3: When was that?
Speaker 2: That was after I met Kanye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you roped and then he didn't get in
Speaker 3: touch with it for two years off there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was like a blank you know. And
Speaker 1: I turned down my scholarships. I had a college. I
Speaker 1: graduated school like a three point seven GPA. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I had like a lot of academic scholarships,
Speaker 1: all these things, and I turned it down and then
Speaker 1: I was it was non responsible. But in hinds I
Speaker 1: look back, he was blowing up in his own right.
Speaker 1: He was busy. You know, it's not the same. You
Speaker 1: only see things from your perspective, especially when you're younger.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just was like I felt like I
Speaker 1: tried and gave it all I had.
Speaker 2: And I gave up.
Speaker 1: And my mom, you know, who was a teacher as well,
Speaker 1: she was the only one who was like, Yo, what
Speaker 1: are you doing?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Come on?
Speaker 1: You know you you know you're you're registering for Come on,
Speaker 1: you got it? Like, just keep going, you got it.
Speaker 1: This is this is what you're meant to do. You
Speaker 1: believe in and do it. And literally months after that,
Speaker 1: that's when things started picking up, So it's like you
Speaker 1: can keep digging and digging and digging in. Before I
Speaker 1: struck the gold, I gave up. And that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: I had those guardian angels around me to keep it going.
Speaker 3: One thing you spoke about that, you know, I'm really
Speaker 3: sorry I had to go through it because I had
Speaker 3: so many friends who've actually gone through it recently, which
Speaker 3: is why I'm asking. But you suffered a miscarriage like that.
Speaker 3: I've still got to so many of my friends who
Speaker 3: are trying to have kids right now.
Speaker 2: It's super common.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like, that doesn't make it any better
Speaker 3: right right now?
Speaker 2: It does that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so many of my friends have had it this year,
Speaker 3: literally in the last twelve months, and yeah, it's and
Speaker 3: it's hard. They're going through a loss, their partner's going
Speaker 3: through the grief. But it's and like you said, it's
Speaker 3: super common. But that doesn't make it any easier any
Speaker 3: better when it happens to you, Right What was something
Speaker 3: that really helped you through that experience that you think
Speaker 3: could help others? What was it to help both of you?
Speaker 3: Because it's a two way thing. It's not just about you.
Speaker 3: A lot of our problems we're just persons ourselves.
Speaker 1: Well, every situation is different, right, so to someone who
Speaker 1: is experiencing miscarriages, and I can only speak from a
Speaker 1: man's perspective, I can't speak for a woman who really
Speaker 1: their perspective is the most traumatic. But I can say that,
Speaker 1: first of all, you're worthy. I don't want you to
Speaker 1: think you're not worthy. I don't want you to I
Speaker 1: don't want people to think that because they have a miscarriage,
Speaker 1: that they're inadequate, or that they're broken. I think that
Speaker 1: this life is complex, and there are things we do
Speaker 1: and don't understand, and I think there's beauty in everything
Speaker 1: that's meant for you.
Speaker 2: And instead of trying to.
Speaker 1: Control exactly how you want your life to be, except
Speaker 1: that it's going to be the life that.
Speaker 2: Is meant for you.
Speaker 1: And you may get blessed with a child later on,
Speaker 1: you may get blessed with a child that comes into
Speaker 1: your life a different way. You may get blessed with
Speaker 1: You have to keep your Sometimes we get so set
Speaker 1: on a goal we don't keep the rest of that
Speaker 1: of our doors open of how the universe will bless
Speaker 1: us in that way to not only fill that void,
Speaker 1: but even make it even greater.
Speaker 2: So I just want to, you know, keep an open mind.
Speaker 1: But you to anyone who does experience such an insufferable loss,
Speaker 1: like you know, go through it, like express yourself, deal
Speaker 1: with that grief, but don't let it consume you. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you got to go through it just to get
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, No, I appreciate that matter. It's going
Speaker 3: to help a lot of them. We've got two last
Speaker 3: questions for you, Sean before we wrap. How do you
Speaker 3: personally find the light in really dark times, Like when
Speaker 3: you feel distracted from that spiritual light? What do you
Speaker 3: do to reconnect well?
Speaker 1: To find the light in really dark times? Sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to realize that you are the light. But sometimes
Speaker 1: you got to embrace the darkness. You ever noticed how
Speaker 1: when you're in the dark for a long time, you
Speaker 1: start to see better and things actually get lighter. For sure,
Speaker 1: I think that it's a natural human instinct to like
Speaker 1: go into a mode of like fear based and it's
Speaker 1: like I need the light, I need the light.
Speaker 2: Where's the light?
Speaker 1: Instead of just accepting that you are for certain you
Speaker 1: are you not only are you the light, that there
Speaker 1: are is a darkness to you too. That's beautiful and
Speaker 1: that you have to accept all aspects of yourself. So
Speaker 1: you know, once you do accept it, I think it's
Speaker 1: easier to find the light or be the light. I
Speaker 1: think you know, once you really are comfortable in your environment,
Speaker 1: you will find and see the way to wherever it
Speaker 1: is you're trying to go.
Speaker 3: Absolutely great answer, last Querson, I want to ask you.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite things you ask people to do
Speaker 3: in the book, which I want everyone to do they
Speaker 3: get the book, is list five miracles, yeah, that they've
Speaker 3: experienced in their life. I love this idea because when
Speaker 3: I read this, I was just like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: If you actually stop to think about the miracles that
Speaker 3: have happened in your life and to really take them
Speaker 3: in and to really like embrace them and let them
Speaker 3: pervade your entire being, you start believing in more miracles.
Speaker 3: You start living in the miracle, because often it's so
Speaker 3: easy to live in the negativity and to live in
Speaker 3: the toxicity and to live in everything that's the opposite
Speaker 3: of a miracle. What gave you this idea? Where did
Speaker 3: it come from? And how do you live in the
Speaker 3: miracle every day?
Speaker 1: I mean, what idea came from like when you highlight,
Speaker 1: when you really recognize the miracles and you're kind of
Speaker 1: supercharging them, and you always see more miracles. There are
Speaker 1: so many miracles every single day. The fact that the
Speaker 1: sun is at the exact right place, and the moon
Speaker 1: is at the exact right place, and the oxygen is
Speaker 1: at the exact right the thing that the fact that
Speaker 1: we are orbiting is a miracle, bro for real, if
Speaker 1: you think about it, because one slight thing, everything is gone.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Everything is gone as shit fast.
Speaker 1: So that's one thing. But for me, when you listen
Speaker 1: to miracles that you experienced personally that impact you personally,
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 2: It breathes more so for me.
Speaker 1: Man, being on a pursuit of happiness and being able
Speaker 1: to actually see my dreams come true to a level
Speaker 1: is a miracle for me. Having this isn't an order.
Speaker 1: By the way, having a sun is a you know,
Speaker 1: that's a miracle. That's for real a miracle, because that's
Speaker 1: like creating something out of nothing. Being able to man
Speaker 1: waking up is a miracle. Everyone don't get to wake up.
Speaker 2: Man. Being able to set goals and.
Speaker 1: Pursue them, you know, not even necessarily check them all off,
Speaker 1: but pursue them. Being able to eat food and let
Speaker 1: it give me nutrition is a miracle, bro, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to just sit up here and
Speaker 1: like be preaching positivity in that sense. But there are
Speaker 1: so many miracles that happened there. I remember one time
Speaker 1: I was down at the fireworks in Detroit and somebody
Speaker 1: was firing a gun and I saw it and it
Speaker 1: looked like I saw it and it went past me, and.
Speaker 2: It was a miracle. I didn't get hit by any bullets.
Speaker 1: It was a miracle that when I got into a
Speaker 1: car accident and told on my car when I was sixteen,
Speaker 1: I was able to climb out of the window. I
Speaker 1: couldn't even open the doors, and nothing was wrong with me.
Speaker 1: I had a little bruise on the side of my pinky.
Speaker 1: That was it. It's looked like somebody died in there.
Speaker 1: There are miracles that happen every day that you may
Speaker 1: not consider miracles that you have to recognize and you
Speaker 1: don't even have to question in it. That just shows you, bro,
Speaker 1: like you're here, we are in we are in it.
Speaker 3: I love that man. That was one of my favorite
Speaker 3: activities and practices and I hope everyone has been listening
Speaker 3: and watching today. If you do one thing to do that,
Speaker 3: yeah for really spend time just mapping out your five miracles.
Speaker 3: The book is called Go Higher. Five Practices for Purpose.
Speaker 1: And thank you for writing yeah peace, thank you for
Speaker 1: writing the Ford of course it was beautiful.
Speaker 2: No, just congrats to you.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of you. I know. I was just
Speaker 2: at your house like a few.
Speaker 3: Days days ago.
Speaker 1: We loved it, eating some amazing food. You really are
Speaker 1: an amazing person, not just on camera like some people.
Speaker 1: You really are amazing on and off camera. Man, your
Speaker 1: heart is big, is very inspiring.
Speaker 2: We have these in our fridge the best. I have
Speaker 2: all your books on my shelf.
Speaker 1: I've read them and you know, just thank you man,
Speaker 1: Thank you for being an outlet.
Speaker 2: Thank you for being such a.
Speaker 1: Connection, especially between all of these amazing people and being
Speaker 1: able to open up and be vulnerable. What I can
Speaker 1: say is that to everyone watching, your product of your environment,
Speaker 1: and you are the You are the chemist of your environment.
Speaker 1: You have the power to change it in any given
Speaker 1: time or moment. You know, if you're unhappy with where
Speaker 1: you are, realize that you have the instant power to
Speaker 1: change it. It all starts with the mentality first and foremost,
Speaker 1: and that is like the key ingredient to making anything amazing,
Speaker 1: you know. So I hope you guys realize that we
Speaker 1: only have this moment. Anything you've done in the past,
Speaker 1: you have to let go of. Anything in the future
Speaker 1: can change. You know that you have an idea of
Speaker 1: how it should be and that what else you know,
Speaker 1: what are you going to do with the time you
Speaker 1: got lift?
Speaker 2: It's up to you. Love that man.
Speaker 3: Thank you for writing this book. The book is called
Speaker 3: Go Hire Everyone. Go grab your copy, share it with
Speaker 3: your friends, your family, people in your life. Are looking
Speaker 3: for really insightful, simple wisdom that can create shifts in
Speaker 3: your life, practical advice, practical stories as well. Sean, I'm
Speaker 3: really glad you've done this with your platform because I
Speaker 3: think that you know, it's very rare these days for
Speaker 3: people to see what masculinity means. And I feel like
Speaker 3: with you the strength and the vulnerability, which in one
Speaker 3: sense of the one and the same, but I also
Speaker 3: think they are different in that I think there is
Speaker 3: a need to be strong, set boundaries, be to stand
Speaker 3: up for yourself. These are all strength as well. And
Speaker 3: then at the same time, the softness, the courage, the bravery,
Speaker 3: the vulnerability that is too and so I love how
Speaker 3: you put those both together. It was an honor to
Speaker 3: write the forward for this book. Think a real like
Speaker 3: you'd ask me to do. That was I was very touch.
Speaker 3: You could have asked anyone. And I genuinely, genuinely hope
Speaker 3: that people are going to pick this book up. And
Speaker 3: I think people are going to hand it to their friends,
Speaker 3: their family, people in their life. If you want this
Speaker 3: year twenty twenty five to be a great year, yeah
Speaker 3: you got to go higher. Yes, right, And so I'm
Speaker 3: excited for you. I'm excited for this next chapter in
Speaker 3: your life.
Speaker 2: Thank you, And I'm.
Speaker 3: Excited for how this book for many many years to come,
Speaker 3: we'll have an impact on people, not just now, not
Speaker 3: just this year, but for many years to come. People
Speaker 3: will look back and say, I love do all the
Speaker 3: music he wrote, but I also love that book he wrote.
Speaker 2: Thank you man.
Speaker 1: That means everything, and yeah, thanks for that allowing me
Speaker 1: to communicate always. You know, communication, I always say the
Speaker 1: communication is the bridge to salvation that God is holding
Speaker 1: our hand to walk across. And just like any other bridge,
Speaker 1: you can't skip a step to get to the other side.
Speaker 1: So thanks for allowing me to communicate, and thank you
Speaker 1: for communicating so well in your life is very inspiring.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'll see you soon. Man, I'll come back
Speaker 2: over for dinner.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, I appreciate thank you.
Speaker 2: That is part three.
Speaker 3: That is part three over three four coming, Part four coming.
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 3: You're the best man. Thank you brother, Thanks for being
Speaker 3: that's a dear friend. If this is the year that
Speaker 3: you're trying to get creative, you're trying to build more,
Speaker 3: I need you to listen to this episode with Rick
Speaker 3: Rubin on how to break into your most creative self,
Speaker 3: how to use unconventional methods that lead to success, and
Speaker 3: the secret to genuinely loving what you do. If you're
Speaker 3: trying to find your passion and your lane, Rick Rubin's
Speaker 3: episode is the one for you.
Speaker 2: Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,
Speaker 2: Like as an artist, if you like it, that's all
Speaker 2: of the value. That's the success comes when you say
Speaker 2: I like this enough for other people to see it.