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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty and no He Armstrong and Yetty.

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Speaker 3: The hotel chain Holiday in Express has unveiled a new

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Speaker 3: scent based alarm clock that will wake up guests with

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Speaker 3: a simulated smell of breakfast. Because what weary traveler doesn't

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Speaker 3: love to wake up to a lie?

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Speaker 2: That's funny. When I was hiking with my son, I

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Speaker 2: said something to him, and he said, don't turn this

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Speaker 2: into a forest of lies, which is a Simpsons reference.

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Speaker 2: So do you want a philosophical AI or nuts and

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Speaker 2: bolts fact I think I'll start with nuts and bolts factual.

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Speaker 2: We do a lot of philosophical although I do want

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Speaker 2: to get to that at some point. So in a

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Speaker 2: business section today of the Washington Post, AI will trigger

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Speaker 2: financial calamity. So that got my attention. It's funny. We

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Speaker 2: were talking about this just the other day. I texted

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Speaker 2: in my own personal life, I texted Joe like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I just checked my four A one K because I

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Speaker 2: don't check it on a regular basis. Holy crap, you know,

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Speaker 2: because this stock market has been going up setting records

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Speaker 2: every single day. I looked at my frog k and

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Speaker 2: it was like, this is incredible, and we're both discussing

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Speaker 2: how there's got to be a correction coming. What you know,

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Speaker 2: a smart person might think, you know, maybe I'll put

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Speaker 2: this in something kind of not volatile and wait for

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Speaker 2: the correction to come. Of course, that's how you miss

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Speaker 2: out on a lot of rises, right by the dip,

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Speaker 2: by the nip. All right, AI is going to cause

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Speaker 2: a financial calamity, is what it says. And let me

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Speaker 2: read this to you. The house of court, the and

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Speaker 2: this is from one expert researcher at one of your

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Speaker 2: big AI groups. The house of cards is going to

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Speaker 2: start crumbling. The amount of money being spent is not

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Speaker 2: proportionate to the money that's coming in. These perspectives are

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Speaker 2: all about how based on the money that's been spent.

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Speaker 2: And we've talked about this a lot of times. Nvidia

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Speaker 2: agreed to invest up to a one hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 2: much money that is in open AI. So in Vidia,

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Speaker 2: the chip maker, is investing in one of the AI

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Speaker 2: corporations and providing it with hard to get chips. And

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Speaker 2: the main point that I'll skip to and then i'll

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Speaker 2: get to the details, is the AI industry is now

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Speaker 2: buying its own revenue in a circular fashion. They keep buying,

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Speaker 2: investing in each other in ways, and we'll invest in

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Speaker 2: your chips, and then the chip maker invests in the AI,

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Speaker 2: and the AI puts more money into the hardware or

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Speaker 2: the big giant thing that's going to power the thing,

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Speaker 2: and then the big company that's going to power the

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Speaker 2: thing puts more money into groc or whatever. And it's

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Speaker 2: just this circular thing, which it could be highly troubling.

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Speaker 2: So much of the stock market is AI involved the

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Speaker 2: and the everybody's using the example of the dot com

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Speaker 2: build up, this build up, this build up a little

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Speaker 2: bit similar in that companies were investing in other companies

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Speaker 2: and investing in each other, and it just kept building

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Speaker 2: don't remember, if you weren't alive for it or invested

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Speaker 2: at the time, The Nasdaq ultimately lost seventy five percent

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Speaker 2: wasn't a minor correction. The percentages on this whole thing

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Speaker 2: is just really quite incredible. In Video, for instance, has

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Speaker 2: added one hundred and sixty billion dollars. The Rise the

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Speaker 2: in Videa's market value, which is increased by four trillion

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Speaker 1: It's increased by that much.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's increased by four trillion dollars in three years.

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Speaker 2: You can't even wrap your head around that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: And I mentioned earlier as of today, Open Ai, that's

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Speaker 2: tricks that are camouflaging the evidence of a bubble that

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Speaker 2: is about to burst, says this analysis. You know, this

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Speaker 1: That's the annoying part about bubbles is that if you

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Speaker 2: The capital expenditures made by a very small number of companies,

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Speaker 2: you got Google, you got Tesla. You just got a

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Speaker 2: market records. The capital expenditures made by this small number

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Speaker 2: spending of all of America's consumers. This person, this financial

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Speaker 2: expert set, I wonder if the black holes ultimately consume

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Speaker 1: It's a little cataclysmic there, son.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. To put it differently, one of the most notorious

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Speaker 2: its peak market value is about three hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Since the release of CHATGPT in twenty twenty two, the

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Speaker 2: In a recent piece, Sky from JP Morgan wrote that

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Speaker 2: since that time, AI related stocks have accounted for seventy

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Speaker 2: capital spending growth. That is an awful lot on just

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Speaker 2: growing around the idea of AI.

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Speaker 1: Right. You know, I'm reminded of the whimsical yet dark

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Speaker 1: description of the Russian The Russian armed forces is a

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Speaker 1: and if the hope diamond goes away, it's just yay yay. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously, if AI turns out to be what these

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Speaker 2: But if it's not, or if it's not very soon,

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Speaker 1: Right, Holy crap sounds a little bubbly.

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Speaker 2: God, I would say, so unless it pans out to

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Speaker 2: I wanted to mention. I don't know if you know

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Speaker 2: He's on Bill Mahers Show a lot or whatever. He's

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Speaker 2: a doomer that's what they call, people who lean toward

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Speaker 2: Those are dumers. I think I lean more toward doomer

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Speaker 2: So you probably have heard of the Turing test when

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Speaker 1: So I give you one. Gregory Jackson Junior, who is

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Speaker 4: You say, don't fund the police, but do fund programs

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Speaker 2: I'm asking what this means.

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Speaker 4: Gobbledegook garbage, This safe space is this, hold your hand,

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Speaker 2: They're absurd. I start calling more things absurd. This is absurd.

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Speaker 1: All right, So the whole it's funny. Half an hour

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Speaker 2: Release the hostages, all of them, including the bodies of

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Speaker 2: If this last chance agreement is not reached, all hell

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Speaker 1: Of course, TAMAS is desperate to keep those civilians right

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Speaker 2: I think those civilians then will be collateral damage because

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Speaker 2: Well, wars have to end, right and uh like he

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Speaker 2: Just like being pacifist. I mean, you get all you

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Speaker 1: Right, go be a pacifist in Ukraine or Nigeria or

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Speaker 2: the so cute Alexandria Hoff on Special Report last night

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Speaker 2: talking about upfs as we're calling.

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Speaker 1: Them now these days. Saves time instead of ultra processed foods.

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Speaker 1: So many syllables, let's hear sixty Michael.

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Speaker 6: So a lot of this has been talked about in

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Speaker 6: the context of what we're feeding our children, but new

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Speaker 6: research out of the University of Michigan finds that older

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Speaker 6: Americans are the most addictive to the additive heavy nutrient

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Speaker 6: light products known as ultra process foods. The study finds

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Speaker 6: that UPF addiction is far out pacing reliance on alcohol

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Speaker 6: or tobacco, especially so for women age fifty to sixty four,

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Speaker 6: where twenty one percent qualified as having a UPF addiction.

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Speaker 6: That was determined with the same criteria used to diagnose

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Speaker 6: substance use disorders. For men in the same age group,

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Speaker 6: it was ten percent. High consumption was then associated with

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Speaker 6: poor perception of mental and physical health and feelings of isolation.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this a version to upfs is much

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Speaker 1: higher than to alcohol and tobacco among women.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the first time I've ever thought about

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Speaker 2: it being in an addiction, and I'm a little confused

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Speaker 2: by that. But that's interesting because I don't feel like

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Speaker 2: I'm an addict. Like you know, if you're addicted to

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Speaker 2: whatever you're addicted to, it's not just because it's cheap

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Speaker 2: and easy to get to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not to be a flip, but something you want

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Speaker 1: a lot all the time, even though you know it's

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Speaker 1: not good for you. That could just be laziness.

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Speaker 2: It's it's like eighty percent of my day next things

462
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Speaker 2: I shouldn't be doing.

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Speaker 6: According to the study, it comes down to this population

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Speaker 6: being in a developmentally sensitive stage of life during the

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Speaker 6: seventies and eighties quote precisely when tobacco owned food manufacturers

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Speaker 6: were shaping the market with addictive up apps.

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Speaker 1: If I met, so, that's why women in their fifties

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Speaker 1: and sixties are especially allegedly addictive to this stuff.

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Speaker 2: If it's not just that I like it and that

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Speaker 2: it's cheap and easy, it's I'm actually addicted to it.

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Speaker 2: That makes me want to stop even more.

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Speaker 6: Next clip, Michael, and this raises concerns for addiction levels

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Speaker 6: to come. The Trump Administration's MAHA report, released last month

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Speaker 6: underscores that nearly seventy percent of American American child's calories

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Speaker 6: come from upfs, which is far more than what older

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Speaker 6: generations consumed as kids.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 6: As for why the addiction rate is higher and older

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Speaker 6: women versus men, well, researchers theorize that aggressive weight control

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Speaker 6: marketing in the eighties could be to blame for that,

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Speaker 6: at selling women and girls in low fat microwavable karp

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Speaker 6: any products that only made things worse.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that was a big thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not I've heard so many things called addictions,

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Speaker 1: and I think sometimes that word gets thrown around a

486
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Speaker 1: little too easily. But I am very very intrigued about

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Speaker 1: this one. And then to the article from the journal,

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Speaker 1: which I have refound. It's this gallous journalist who decided

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Speaker 1: or agreed to completely avoid UPFS for her family for

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Speaker 1: a month to see what they all thought of it.

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Speaker 1: The results proved transformative. Removing upfs dramatically altered my daughter's

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Speaker 1: eating habits. It changed mine even more. These effects persuaded

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Speaker 1: my husband, who began the experiment as a skeptical observer,

494
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Speaker 1: to wean himself off ultra processed foods too, And she

495
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Speaker 1: gets into They agreed on a simple definition so that

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Speaker 1: her daughter could easily identify upfs too. They went shopping together,

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Speaker 1: and that's essentially if you see an ingredient that you

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Speaker 1: don't you can barely pronounce. I mean, you have to

499
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Speaker 1: like sound it out you don't know what it is,

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Speaker 1: avoid it, don't buy it, which is a little broad,

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Speaker 1: but that's useful.

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Speaker 2: Well, Michael, I was just thinking, so, like, a frozen

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Speaker 2: pizza probably has a gazillion ingredients on there. I don't

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Speaker 2: know yes of that. But if I get a pizza

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Speaker 2: from a restaurant and delivered, did they use ingredients that

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Speaker 2: are ultra processed food? So I'm doing the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Probably not, Okay, probably not, So, she writes, dis eliminated

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Speaker 1: all foods with artificial flavors and anything with refined flowers,

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Speaker 1: including most store bought crackers, cereals, breads, pretzels, granola bars,

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Speaker 1: and the baked goods at our local coffee shops. It

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Speaker 1: meant giving up a bunch of our favorite foods cheese its,

512
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Speaker 1: ritz crackers, pirates, booty bagels, pita chips, what milk, chocolate

513
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Speaker 1: and flavored sparkling waters?

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Speaker 2: Are you sitting around eating cheese its and pirates, booty

515
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Speaker 2: past the age of ten?

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Speaker 1: Please?

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Speaker 2: Don't we stocked.

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Speaker 1: Up on whole in mintie mimimally processed foods, including oatmeal,

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Speaker 1: plain yogurt, fresh cheeses, beans, nuts, canfish, canned fish, canned fish.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'll sit around and eat nuts. There's a

521
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Speaker 2: number of things I'll chomp on as a snack. I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna eat canned fish. Well probably, I'm probably like to,

523
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Speaker 2: but I'm still probably I'd gonna sit on the couch

524
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Speaker 2: washing a game with a can of fish, you know,

525
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Speaker 2: like tuna that's fine, which is probably not gonna be

526
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Speaker 2: my go to snack.

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Speaker 1: Plus popcorn, fruits, well just say it, junkie. Then fruits

528
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Speaker 1: and veggies, fresh and frozen, et cetera. Here's the crazy intro.

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Speaker 2: Anybody, huh, get one while I go to the fridge.

530
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Speaker 2: So I have to make two trips.

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Speaker 1: We decided that without UPFS, we could eat as much

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Speaker 1: as we wanted of the other foods, the good stuff,

533
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Speaker 1: and if we craved a sweet, we would bake it.

534
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Speaker 1: After a month, we would assess how we felt. We found, however,

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Speaker 1: that the changes came much sooner. About ten days in,

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Speaker 1: she writes, I noticed a striking shift. I wasn't constantly

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Speaker 1: thinking about food before. I carried around what some call

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Speaker 1: food noise. I had persistent nagging thoughts about what to

539
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Speaker 1: eat next. That's interesting, and she mentioned several things, then says,

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Speaker 1: without UPFS, my cravings faded. I learned I'm not alone.

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Speaker 1: A randomized, controlled eight week trial involving fifty adults published

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Speaker 1: this month in Nature Medicine found that participants who switched

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Speaker 1: to a minimally processed diet lost weight and saw their

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Speaker 1: cravings decline. The guy who led the studies that I

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Speaker 1: was surprised by these findings. When people whose weight typically

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Speaker 1: their appetite or cravings increase, but we found the opposite.

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Speaker 1: My snacking duly plummeted. My daughter's eating habits followed suit.

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Speaker 1: By the third week, she did something I hadn't seen

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Speaker 1: in years. She had a homemade dinner with gusto, and

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Speaker 1: she mentions what it was, and it sounds quite nice.

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Speaker 2: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: She'd been a picky eater, I thought, but that night

553
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Speaker 1: she gobbled it up and loved it and tasted you know,

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Speaker 1: all the foods.

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Speaker 2: For me, way more than the yumminess and everything. It's

556
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Speaker 2: just the convenience. It's just so damned convenient. The extra

557
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Speaker 2: work it takes too not have a peanut butter sandwich

558
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Speaker 2: with the peanut butter and the bread both having a

559
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Speaker 2: lot of things any probably shouldn't eat.

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Speaker 1: It's just so convenient to stay a junkie, living in

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Speaker 1: a tent and crapping on the sidewalk. Yes, it's his words.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if are with your cheese.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm gonna end up an attent

564
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Speaker 2: crapping on the sidewalk because.

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Speaker 1: You're a junkie. Listen to you, Listen to your excuses,

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Speaker 1: your denials.

567
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Speaker 2: It is rationalization. The whole addiction thing is different, the

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Speaker 2: separating an addiction from a bad habit. They're not the

569
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Speaker 2: same thing. An addiction is not the same as a

570
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Speaker 2: bad habit. Nobody knows, nobody knows.

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Speaker 2: Both my kids had homework and I had to help them.

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Speaker 2: Damn it.

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Speaker 7: Many of you asked me this morning about sombreros and

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Speaker 7: He painted me yellow with big glasses and overalls, and

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Speaker 2: Have you been following any Charlie Cook's writing in the

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Speaker 2: National Review about this, I haven't.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: He thinks shutdowns should be a regular part of our system.

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Speaker 2: It just should happen on a regular basis. What's the

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Speaker 2: big deal. It's fine.

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Speaker 1: It's an evidence of dysfunction, I think. But I'll have

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I mean, they got to get it

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Speaker 1: But behind the scenes, his team is increasingly concerned that

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Speaker 1: common sense reforms on Medicare. Advisors are worried the GOP

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Speaker 1: According to the administration officials, here's the deal. During COVID,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats passed temporary boosts to who's eligible and how

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Speaker 1: and a lot of these people were unaware they were

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Speaker 1: even enrolled. And so that's all the Republicans are trying

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Speaker 1: to do is rain in those mainly those three things.

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Speaker 1: And if they think, you know the whole you're taking

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Speaker 1: healthcare away from p it's a good message, and we're

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Speaker 1: afraid if we stand up to him, we'll be blamed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's let's go ahead and give in on this one. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just I think we're doomed.

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Speaker 2: It's troubling because it's a lot like the voting stuff

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Speaker 2: was where they relaxed all kinds of voting rules during

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Speaker 2: COVID because it was so hard to vote, and then

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Speaker 2: when you tried to go back to the old way,

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Speaker 2: it was portrayed his voter suppression.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Nazism, Jim Crow on stereo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the mainstream media, you know, went along with it,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of people who weren't paying close attention

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Speaker 2: were confused. And the Republicans are afraid that that, or

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Speaker 2: Trump anyway is afraid that that same thing will happen here.

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Speaker 2: The mainstream media will portray it, of course as taking

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Speaker 2: away people's health care, even though it was a supposed

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Speaker 2: to be a short term emergency sort of thing during COVID,

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Speaker 2: we portrayed as and people will believe that it's taking

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Speaker 2: away people's healthcare. And Trump, you know, for better or worse,

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Speaker 2: and I think this is worse. It's not an idea

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Speaker 2: log and that he'd I don't know if he's an

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Speaker 2: idea log on anything other than tariffs. Even the border

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Speaker 2: might just be because he sees it such an easy

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Speaker 2: winning issue that eighty five percent of people are in

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Speaker 2: agreement with. I don't know if he's an idy log

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Speaker 2: on hardly anything. And if he thinks this is going

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Speaker 2: to hurt chances in the midterms, I can see how

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Speaker 2: he would give on this, and then you're right, Then

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Speaker 2: there's nobody's courage. It is discouraging.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you want to talk about the high cost

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Speaker 1: of good intentions. This is a very short term, easily explained,

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Speaker 1: you know, fairly insignificant program that got boosted briefly for

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Speaker 1: a specific reason. Now we're just going to take it

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Speaker 1: back to normal because I mean, there's so many problems

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Speaker 1: with the boost. It was so sloppy and expensive. Got

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Speaker 1: to rein it in. But those who would grow the

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Speaker 1: government and do nothing but grow the government can make

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Speaker 1: a powerful enough case. Everybody gets scared and says, no,

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Speaker 1: we can't do that, we can't do that. We're done

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Speaker 1: as a people. There you go as a government system Friday,

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Personally,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna arm myself and go door to door and

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Speaker 1: loot my neighbors and the Chasus.

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Speaker 2: That's one option.

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Speaker 1: Steal their stuff, you know, kiss their wives, bet their dogs. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Whatever, We got a couple more hours to go. If

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Speaker 2: you miss a segment an hour, get the podcast Armstrong

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Speaker 2: and Getty on demand

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty