WEBVTT - The Fab 3 with Bobby Berk 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:05.400 Scrubbing In with Beccatilly and Tanya red An iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:13.120 Hello Everybody, we are scrubbing In, Yes. 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.360 We are, and today's guest is best known for his 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.800 role as the interior design expert on the Netflix series 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:19.320 Queer I. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:21.920 He grew up in Missouri in the middle of Amish 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.079 farm country, where he experienced a difficult childhood being gay, 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.760 facing external and internal homophobia. He left home at the 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.320 age of fifteen and landed in Springfield, Missouri, where he 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.800 got a job at Applebee's and slept in his car. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.879 Having worked many jobs across the country, including at Restoration, Hardware, 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.720 Bed Bath and Beyond, and then Portico Home and Spa, 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.560 he eventually launched his online home store in two thousand 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.360 and six, opening his first store in Soho a year later. 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.879 He went on to appear on television networks such as HGTV, 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.280 NBCCBS and Bravo, and has been on Queer Eye since 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:55.280 twenty eighteen. 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.200 He is promoting his new book Right at Home, How 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.720 Good Design Is Good for the Mind, and It's available 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:01.640 September twelfth. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.039 Please welcome Bobby Burke. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:08.199 Wait. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.520 I think in the intro we should add before we 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.760 say please we should say, and we just want to 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:15.880 heads up. We can't ask him anything about Queerie because 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:16.520 I feel we should say. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:17.080 At the very top. 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:21.240 He is promoting his new book right at Home, How 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.319 Good Design Is Good for the Mind, that's available September twelfth, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.440 and we just wanted a disclaimer because of the sag 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.600 after strikes, we cannot ask Bobby anything about Queer Eye. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.320 He can't even talk about it. So spoiler alert. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.920 You won't be hearing anything about queer Ie because he 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:38.720 cannot speak on it. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:47.240 Yes, so please welcome Bobby Bird. Bobby, We're so happy 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:48.000 to have you here. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:49.040 Thank you. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.560 You were just talking about your podcast voice. It's very 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:57.400 TV voice. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.120 It was a regular voice. 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:00.760 I think some we're in the middle. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:02.880 This is the podcast Boyture giving us right now? 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.640 It is it the podcast? I don't know. I don't know. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.160 It's not your Yah, I don't know. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:09.840 I can't tell myself. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:16.000 So many different mediums. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.360 I'm not allowed to do that right now, So I'll stop. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.640 I can't talk anything about that. We already gave the 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.680 people a warning. Yes, but we are so excited. You know, 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:28.400 we have kind of a connection that you might. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:28.919 Not know about. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:29.440 Wow. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:31.360 Wow, this is you took a twenty three and me 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.040 and we are. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.799 Just kidding. So my girlfriend is Haley Kyoko, and y'all 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.320 were in a Taylor Switch music video together. I don't 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.320 know if y'all filmed at the same time. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.800 When you were, like y'all were in what I was like, 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.040 I was in something with her and didn't see her. 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.200 I love her. No. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.080 So the funny thing is like that video looks like 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.480 we're all there together, but we're not. Like even Tan 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.000 So Tan was actually filming the finale of Next and 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.160 Fashion Season one that day, so he wasn't even there. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.480 His little teacup thing was like green screen in a studio. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.000 It looked like he was walking by us, but he 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:15.200 wasn't there at all. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:15.600 Wow. 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.720 So there's so many amazing people in that video that 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.440 they're like, oh my god, blah blah blah blah, And 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.480 I was like, no, yeah, no, we didn't if you 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.800 were filming like that day together, like we were all 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:26.519 in one big tent, so we like we got to 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.920 meet some people. But yeah, no, there's a lot of 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.120 people that just did their little parts from a green 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:32.839 screen wherever they were in the world at the time. 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:33.840 That's wild. 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:35.360 And we're in the video. 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:36.880 Yeah, yeah, was she out. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.520 On the ranch filming and really oh nice? Yeah, must 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:40.720 have been another I think it was like a four 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:41.280 day shoot. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:42.200 Wow. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:43.440 Yeah, it was quite the video. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.040 It was. Yeah, it's quit the video. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:52.400 But we're so excited to have you here because I 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:57.360 feel like I resonated. So I've resonated so much with 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.760 a lot of your story that you've talked about growing 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:04.200 up been a very like conservative Christian background, and I'm 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.760 from Louisiana. I grew up in the same you know, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.080 same background, and. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.400 There was a family like all my twenty three and 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.720 meter it could because literally all my family's from Louisiana. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.240 Oh it could be. You could be. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:17.880 It could be like Lance and Brittany and we find 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.240 out where cousins like, yeah, well they're Alabama. 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:26.240 But it's not much okay, you know what. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.159 We could be brothers. We could be brothers. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.120 You never know. But I remember you talking about like 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.680 there was a moment where you walked into a church 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.480 and you were kind of like, this is a lot 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:41.520 for me because I was. 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.000 I wouldn't walk into the church. 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:44.840 I think, oh, yeah, you want to walk into the church. 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:46.600 Yeah, I actually got a lot of trouble for that 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:47.599 that day. Really. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:53.800 Yeah, I won't say who, but somebody high up was 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.800 very angry at me. They thought I was being very disrespectful. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.120 They thought I just wasn't doing my job. Joke on them. 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.080 It became one of the most iconic moments of the 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.640 whole series. Yeah, but yeah, they were mad at me 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.920 for not just playing along and doing it. Even though 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.640 that person when we had our first lunch before we 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.000 ever started filming, was like, all right, you know, is 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.440 there anything Is there anything in the world like you 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.680 won't do? And I'm like, I mean within reason, No, 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.200 I mean I'm down for anything. I'm like, except just 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.240 don't ask me to go on a church And so 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.599 I was like, yeah, I'm like, I told you. The 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.159 funny thing is, well, that episode was actually not supposed 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.800 to be filmed. So there was somebody else in that 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.400 little town of Gay, Georgia who was supposed to be 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.880 the hero that week, and they had a medical emergency 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.040 and so Mam and Tammy they had talked to her 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.599 a little Actually, no, they hadn't talked to her. She 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.719 was like a last minute edition. And that was actually 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.560 the last episode we were filming of that entire season, 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:52.760 and so they kind of like threw it on. They 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.680 tried to hide it. They told me I was doing 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:59.159 a community center what which it was a community center 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.320 but out of church. And it was my art director 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:03.480 who like pulled me aside and. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:04.600 He was like, get the church. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:10.000 Don't believe them. And so it took a few days. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:13.120 Of kind of twisting my arm and honestly forcing me 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:14.680 to do it because I was like, I'm not doing 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:15.240 this episode. 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.720 I'm like, this is the one thing I told you guys. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.600 I would something they do on The Bachelor where they're like, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.000 what's your biggest fear that you would never want to do? 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:29.560 And they're like, skydive and then their date is going skydiving. 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:33.080 Dark. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:37.120 But I did, I really I not. I haven't you know. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.320 I don't know that I have experienced the trauma that 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:41.880 you have in terms of not wanting to go to 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.880 a church. But just like once I met my girlfriend 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.240 and it was like navigating my belief system when I 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.360 believe in my background and how I grew up, and 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.840 it was I just remember watching that being like, oh 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.680 my gosh, this is so powerful to see someone having 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.479 this experience and talking about it. Because it's very vulnerable, 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.640 it's very emotional, it's very heavy and sorry that they 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.240 tricked you. But it was impact TV. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.400 Thank you, thank you in the end. It in the end, 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.360 it was a great moment, you know, in the end it. 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.960 I think that moment kind of really helped a lot 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:18.080 of people be kind of have permission to have those 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.760 type of boundaries and draw those type of lines with 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.560 the trauma that they experienced growing up and be okay 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:28.600 with it, be okay with not being okay with the 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:29.680 trauma that you grew up with. 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.880 Yeah, how did you go from being in like a 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.920 small town in Missouri to being on a TV show? 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:38.120 Like how did that? Where? 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.320 It was the trajectory, I mean, this is how much 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.080 time do we Because. 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.160 I was like, you got like, let go from your 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:45.920 job at restoration. 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.720 Yeah, I've been fired from every job I've ever had. 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.840 I think really almost yeah, christ Teagan and I always 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:52.680 like have that in comment. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.520 She's like, I've been fired from every job I've ever had. 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:57.720 I was like, oh my god, me too. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.560 I think so I actually got fired for Restoration Hardware. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.840 While Tom Felicia, the original guy that had my job 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.880 on the original Queer Eye was filming in the in 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.840 the in the store. The long story wasn't anything crazy. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.239 I just I changed my own time in the system 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.480 because I was there overnight, like making sure the store 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.720 was perfect. And I went in the next day and 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.480 I we had forgot to clock out the night before, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.280 and I noticed that the GM had just clocked us 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.360 all out at the time that we were supposed to leave, 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.400 but we had all worked hours later. So I went 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.440 in and fixed everyone's time, including my own. And I 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.640 had just let somebody go the week before for doing 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:34.200 that because it was completely against company policy and somebody 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.280 narked on me, and so. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:37.120 I always do. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.600 Yeah I know who it was too, with some other 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.120 bitch who wanted my job. Yeah, so the GM, like 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.520 on a technicality, had to fire me. But like her 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.800 and I have stayed friends all this time. So when 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.040 I when I went on Queer Eye, she actually was like, 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.160 aren't you glad I fired you? 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:53.280 Yes? 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.480 Was that your job before? Well, like, because no, you 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.679 had was was restoration before Queer before Queer Eyes? 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.760 Oh the restation was like two thousand and four, Okay, yeah, yeah, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.040 a long way way before Queer I twenty almost twenty 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:06.559 years before. 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.959 Actually, how did you keep going, like after you kept 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.040 getting like let go from all these jobs? 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:13.079 What kept you going? 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:18.320 I mean hunger, needing to pay rent? 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.280 Yeah, like never having a security blanket or a net 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:24.040 to fall back on. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.320 Like what kept me going was, yeah, needing to pay 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:28.120 my bills. 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:29.360 So interesting. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.240 Yeah, I know everyone's like, what gave you drive? 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:38.200 I'm like food, shelter, yeah, shelter yeah. Yeah, the yearning 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:39.360 to go out every once. 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:39.600 In a while. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:41.640 I have an expensive cocktail. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:41.920 Yeah. 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:42.000 No. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.280 When I worked at Resto then I brought home twenty 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.240 two hundred dollars a month. My rent was twenty one hundred. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.600 I lived on one hundred bucks a month, yeah, my rent, 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.720 and it included utilities how yeah like dollar chicken sandwiches 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:56.040 a day. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:57.640 Like I was so thin. 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.440 Yeah, I remember. I remember one day actually working there. 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.440 I was walking up these steps and like my pants 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.840 fell down at restoration Art because I was so thin 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:09.480 and I couldn't afford to get a belt, so I 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.760 was always like holding my pants up. But I was 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.400 carrying these boxes and my pants slipped down because I 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:15.440 had lost so much weight. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.360 Yeah. Wow, but I wanted to be in New York, so. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.840 Yeah, I mean that's the thing. It's like, you do 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.240 what you have to do. I mean, that is a 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:28.560 wild though. You're like, I have one hundred dollars after 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.720 I pay rent and utilities, and I have one sandwich. Yeah. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:33.439 Well I would get a sandwich and I would eat 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.040 like half for lunch and then I would save the 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:35.880 other half for dinner. 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:58.199 Wow. Yeah, do you do like home renovation design outside. 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.240 Of Yeah, I have a full Okay, that's what no. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.280 I did before Queer Eye. That's where I got the job. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.800 Oh that's what I was gonna say. Okay, so what 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.959 was the path of Like were you already doing that 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.080 when you were at restoration, like doing like side things. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.640 I was a design manager, so I was in charge 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.240 of merchandising, so like making sure the store looked good, 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.480 like setting up the displays. So I always had kind 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.880 of an eye for that. And then I went to 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.000 bed Bath Beyond that was horrible. And then I ended 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.720 up at an Italian linen company and that was horrible. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.000 And then I worked at a company called Portico, which 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.400 was a high end furniture company. I had about a 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.160 dozen stores around the US, and I worked my way 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:39.280 up excuse me, from like store manager to a creative 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.839 director in the end, and that company ended up going bankrupt, 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:48.000 not because I was running like I became creative director 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:52.360 and then it went bankrupt, but when that company would 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.360 make up, I had also built their e commerce division, 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.000 and so that night when the company went under, I 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.640 actually went in and this cloned the whole database that 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.679 I had created for that company, and I registered Bobby 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.760 Burke home dot com and I launched Bobby Broke home 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.440 dot Com that night, being like, maybe I'll sell a 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.600 sofa to while I look for another job. But it 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.200 actually became quite successful. I was one of the first 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:18.079 retailers in the world selling furniture online. My actually biggest 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.079 hurdle was getting manufacturers to let me carry their product, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:26.080 because they're like, no one's going to buy furniture online. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:28.440 You're just gonna piss off our brick and mortar stores. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.400 So I two years later, I actually ended up opening 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.280 up my first brick and mortar store, and so just 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.640 so I could get the product I want wanted and 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.640 so like, oh, if you have a brick and mortar store, 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.120 we'll let you carry our stuff. Yeah, So then I 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:44.000 started opening up more stores. I had stores in La Atlanta, Miami, 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.920 and New York. And so I built that brand for 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:52.480 about eight or nine years, and then my design firm 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.760 started being more of a focus. So as leases were up, 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:59.200 I started getting out of retail because retails, oh yeah, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.480 And the goal was never to be in retail. The 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.080 goal was to use retails storefronts to build my brand 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:06.840 name into license and design. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:08.040 Yeah. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.080 And so twenty fifteen, my husband and I decided to 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.320 move to LA and I was focusing to solely on 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:18.480 my licensing business and my design business. And then twenty 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:23.200 end of twenty sixteen, I started getting calls asking me 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.600 to audition for QUEERAI and so I did a couple 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.880 like virtual Skype. Yeah, you know, it was before pandemic, 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.360 so Skype was the only thing you could do for video. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.160 Some Skype auditions, which I thought all went horrible, but 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.280 I kept getting asked to do more, and then I 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.040 got asked to come to in person auditions. The funny 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.000 thing is I actually had a trip to Spain planned 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.160 that week, and I was like, there's. 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:48.840 No way I'm getting the show. 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:50.400 I'm going to Spain, Like I'm not gonna add it 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.560 was this tile company, Porcelonosa, was like bringing me to 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.440 Spain and paying for everything, and like it was this amazing, 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.559 once in a lifetime trip and I'm like, yeah, I'm 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.000 not going to pass up this trip to go audition 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:01.640 for show. There's that There's no way I'm going to 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.880 get But luckily audition started on Wednesday night and I 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.560 wasn't supposed to leave for Spain until Friday morning. So 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.000 I'm like, all right, I'll go to the first two 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.360 days and yeah, late late, at like one o'clock in 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.800 the morning on Thursday night, because they told me like, 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.360 we'll give you a call back if you're gonna come 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.960 in Friday. If not, you just won't hear from us. 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.200 And so at like midnight, I'm like, all right, well 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.160 I'm going to Spain. I haven't heard from them. And 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:26.720 then at like one one thirty in the morning, my 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.720 phone ring and they're like, hey, we want you to 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.560 come back for the final day. Oh so I wanted 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:33.960 luckily canceled Spain. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.480 Yeah, and now you're not eating chicken sandwiches anymore. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.160 No, I am only because I want to. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.920 One for lunch and the whole one for there. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.320 What does your day to day look like? Now, Like, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:48.760 what's a typical day for you. 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.440 It varies, which is what I love. You know, I 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.600 used to when I had my stores. I was in 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.520 my stores, you know, three hundred and sixty three days 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.640 a year, except Thanksgiving and Christmas because that's the only 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:58.400 days you're open. 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.720 Which those days always pissed me off because. 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.880 I'm like, I still have to pay rent, yeah, but 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.280 I can't open my stores. I'm like, landlord, why don't 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.640 you give me those two days for free? It didn't 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.200 worry that way, so, you know, back then, I worked 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.200 seven days a week, you know, eighteen hour days on 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.000 my store, and then my design firm, I was there, 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.840 you know, five to six days a week every day. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.440 Now it varies. You know, I have a really great 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.440 team at my design firm, so I don't have to 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:22.200 deal with the day to day of it. I'm just 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.160 kind of like a creative head I made. You know, 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.520 There's some projects I'm like heavily involved in and then 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.120 some really I'm not involved in at all anymore. And 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.480 then I also have a marketing department at my company 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:36.640 that we deal with brand partnerships and social and things 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.480 like that. And then a lot of this like doing 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:44.400 interviews and podcasts, and shows and random game shows and 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.720 then filming other shows and yeah, so's it varies. Like 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.480 there's some days where I won't be doing anything and 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.760 I can just like have some chill time, which I 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.760 didn't used to be okay with, going from somebody who 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.800 worked like seven days a week up until the pandemic, 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:00.760 that's all I could do. 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.280 Like if I just didn't do something for an afternoon, 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.640 I would feel like, oh, I'm like, oh my god, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.400 I'm so lazy. I'm not doing the most. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.640 Yeah, and then COVID came and I'm like, oh my god, yeah, no, 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.000 I'm And. 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.880 Now sometimes I get annoyed. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.160 I'm like, how do I have something four days this week? 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:21.360 What is this? 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:25.440 Because I'd also like today, my day started really early 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.440 and it goes really late today and I'm packed all 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.640 over the place, And I would prefer that instead of. 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.920 Like, oh, you've got like one interview in the afternoon. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.080 I'm like, don't ruin a beautiful day by putting one 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:35.920 thing of work right. 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:38.720 Back it all into one. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.000 I'm fine with having a busy day, And like a 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.560 line at my PR firms are always like, are you're 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.080 sure you want all that one day? I'm like, yes, absolutely, 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.760 I don't want to get camera ready for one interview. Yeah, 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.520 pack them all in there. I can switch shirt so 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:53.040 I'll never know. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:53.480 It's one day. 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.000 So funny, it's so funny. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:57.800 It was the exact same way like I felt before 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.640 the pandemic, like I had to just keep going. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:01.640 It was pretty crazy. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.840 It's horrible for your mental health. Yeah, yeah, now I 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.480 think we all all realize we need to prioritize them. 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.719 Yeah, and then when did you start writing this book? 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.080 So this has been an idea I've had for quite 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.040 a few years. When the show came out, everybody wanted 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.360 me to do like a memoir design book, and I'm 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.320 not ready to do a memoir like I've had. You know, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.400 I've had an interesting pass. I don't need to put 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.480 all that out there yet. Yeah, I don't need to 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:32.000 ruin those brand deals yet. And a design book I 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.159 didn't really want to do because design books are pretty 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.439 you know, there's tens of thousands of them out there, 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.080 and they're all amazing, they're all wonderful, But design books 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.440 are expensive to make because there's. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:43.879 A lot of photography that goes into it. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.639 There's a lot of photo shoots, there's a lot of 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.280 photos to pay for. There's a lot of set direction 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.520 and design to pay for, so it makes it an 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.280 expensive book and I didn't want to make this pretty 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.880 coffee table book where Honestly, a lot of times those 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.679 books also just really make you feel bad about your 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.920 space because they show these big, beautifl spaces that are 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.320 really unattainable for most people. So and again I'm not 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:04.960 knocking those. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:05.439 I love those. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.520