1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Beccatilly and Tanya red An iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 2: Hello Everybody, we are scrubbing In, Yes. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: We are, and today's guest is best known for his 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: role as the interior design expert on the Netflix series 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: Queer I. 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: He grew up in Missouri in the middle of Amish 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: farm country, where he experienced a difficult childhood being gay, 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: facing external and internal homophobia. He left home at the 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: age of fifteen and landed in Springfield, Missouri, where he 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: got a job at Applebee's and slept in his car. 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: Having worked many jobs across the country, including at Restoration, Hardware, 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: Bed Bath and Beyond, and then Portico Home and Spa, 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: he eventually launched his online home store in two thousand 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: and six, opening his first store in Soho a year later. 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: He went on to appear on television networks such as HGTV, 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: NBCCBS and Bravo, and has been on Queer Eye since 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: He is promoting his new book Right at Home, How 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Good Design Is Good for the Mind, and It's available 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: September twelfth. 21 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 2: Please welcome Bobby Burke. 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 3: Wait. 23 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: I think in the intro we should add before we 24 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: say please we should say, and we just want to 25 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: heads up. We can't ask him anything about Queerie because 26 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: I feel we should say. 27 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 4: At the very top. 28 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: He is promoting his new book right at Home, How 29 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: Good Design Is Good for the Mind, that's available September twelfth, 30 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: and we just wanted a disclaimer because of the sag 31 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: after strikes, we cannot ask Bobby anything about Queer Eye. 32 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: He can't even talk about it. So spoiler alert. 33 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 4: You won't be hearing anything about queer Ie because he 34 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 4: cannot speak on it. 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: Yes, so please welcome Bobby Bird. Bobby, We're so happy 36 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: to have you here. 37 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: Thank you. 38 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: You were just talking about your podcast voice. It's very 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: TV voice. 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: It was a regular voice. 41 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: I think some we're in the middle. 42 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 4: This is the podcast Boyture giving us right now? 43 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: It is it the podcast? I don't know. I don't know. 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: It's not your Yah, I don't know. 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 5: I can't tell myself. 46 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: So many different mediums. 47 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 3: I'm not allowed to do that right now, So I'll stop. 48 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: I can't talk anything about that. We already gave the 49 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: people a warning. Yes, but we are so excited. You know, 50 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: we have kind of a connection that you might. 51 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: Not know about. 52 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 4: Wow. 53 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 3: Wow, this is you took a twenty three and me 54 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: and we are. 55 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 2: Just kidding. So my girlfriend is Haley Kyoko, and y'all 56 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: were in a Taylor Switch music video together. I don't 57 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: know if y'all filmed at the same time. 58 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 6: When you were, like y'all were in what I was like, 59 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 6: I was in something with her and didn't see her. 60 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: I love her. No. 61 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 6: So the funny thing is like that video looks like 62 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 6: we're all there together, but we're not. Like even Tan 63 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 6: So Tan was actually filming the finale of Next and 64 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 6: Fashion Season one that day, so he wasn't even there. 65 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 6: His little teacup thing was like green screen in a studio. 66 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 6: It looked like he was walking by us, but he 67 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 6: wasn't there at all. 68 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: Wow. 69 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 6: So there's so many amazing people in that video that 70 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 6: they're like, oh my god, blah blah blah blah, And 71 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 6: I was like, no, yeah, no, we didn't if you 72 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 6: were filming like that day together, like we were all 73 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 6: in one big tent, so we like we got to 74 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 6: meet some people. But yeah, no, there's a lot of 75 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 6: people that just did their little parts from a green 76 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 6: screen wherever they were in the world at the time. 77 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 4: That's wild. 78 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: And we're in the video. 79 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, was she out. 80 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 6: On the ranch filming and really oh nice? Yeah, must 81 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 6: have been another I think it was like a four 82 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 6: day shoot. 83 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 4: Wow. 84 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was quite the video. 85 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: It was. Yeah, it's quit the video. 86 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: But we're so excited to have you here because I 87 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: feel like I resonated. So I've resonated so much with 88 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: a lot of your story that you've talked about growing 89 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: up been a very like conservative Christian background, and I'm 90 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: from Louisiana. I grew up in the same you know, 91 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: same background, and. 92 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 6: There was a family like all my twenty three and 93 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 6: meter it could because literally all my family's from Louisiana. 94 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: Oh it could be. You could be. 95 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 6: It could be like Lance and Brittany and we find 96 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 6: out where cousins like, yeah, well they're Alabama. 97 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: But it's not much okay, you know what. 98 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 3: We could be brothers. We could be brothers. 99 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: You never know. But I remember you talking about like 100 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: there was a moment where you walked into a church 101 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: and you were kind of like, this is a lot 102 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: for me because I was. 103 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: I wouldn't walk into the church. 104 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: I think, oh, yeah, you want to walk into the church. 105 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually got a lot of trouble for that 106 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 3: that day. Really. 107 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, I won't say who, but somebody high up was 108 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 6: very angry at me. They thought I was being very disrespectful. 109 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 6: They thought I just wasn't doing my job. Joke on them. 110 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 6: It became one of the most iconic moments of the 111 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 6: whole series. Yeah, but yeah, they were mad at me 112 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 6: for not just playing along and doing it. Even though 113 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 6: that person when we had our first lunch before we 114 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 6: ever started filming, was like, all right, you know, is 115 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 6: there anything Is there anything in the world like you 116 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 6: won't do? And I'm like, I mean within reason, No, 117 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 6: I mean I'm down for anything. I'm like, except just 118 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 6: don't ask me to go on a church And so 119 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, I'm like, I told you. The 120 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 6: funny thing is, well, that episode was actually not supposed 121 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 6: to be filmed. So there was somebody else in that 122 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 6: little town of Gay, Georgia who was supposed to be 123 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 6: the hero that week, and they had a medical emergency 124 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 6: and so Mam and Tammy they had talked to her 125 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 6: a little Actually, no, they hadn't talked to her. She 126 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 6: was like a last minute edition. And that was actually 127 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 6: the last episode we were filming of that entire season, 128 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 6: and so they kind of like threw it on. They 129 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 6: tried to hide it. They told me I was doing 130 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 6: a community center what which it was a community center 131 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 6: but out of church. And it was my art director 132 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 6: who like pulled me aside and. 133 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: He was like, get the church. 134 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: Don't believe them. And so it took a few days. 135 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 6: Of kind of twisting my arm and honestly forcing me 136 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 6: to do it because I was like, I'm not doing 137 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 6: this episode. 138 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, this is the one thing I told you guys. 139 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: I would something they do on The Bachelor where they're like, 140 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: what's your biggest fear that you would never want to do? 141 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: And they're like, skydive and then their date is going skydiving. 142 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 4: Dark. 143 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: But I did, I really I not. I haven't you know. 144 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: I don't know that I have experienced the trauma that 145 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: you have in terms of not wanting to go to 146 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: a church. But just like once I met my girlfriend 147 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: and it was like navigating my belief system when I 148 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: believe in my background and how I grew up, and 149 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: it was I just remember watching that being like, oh 150 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: my gosh, this is so powerful to see someone having 151 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 2: this experience and talking about it. Because it's very vulnerable, 152 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: it's very emotional, it's very heavy and sorry that they 153 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: tricked you. But it was impact TV. 154 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you in the end. It in the end, 155 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 6: it was a great moment, you know, in the end it. 156 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 6: I think that moment kind of really helped a lot 157 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 6: of people be kind of have permission to have those 158 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 6: type of boundaries and draw those type of lines with 159 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 6: the trauma that they experienced growing up and be okay 160 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 6: with it, be okay with not being okay with the 161 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 6: trauma that you grew up with. 162 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, how did you go from being in like a 163 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: small town in Missouri to being on a TV show? 164 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: Like how did that? Where? 165 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 6: It was the trajectory, I mean, this is how much 166 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 6: time do we Because. 167 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: I was like, you got like, let go from your 168 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 4: job at restoration. 169 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been fired from every job I've ever had. 170 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 6: I think really almost yeah, christ Teagan and I always 171 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 6: like have that in comment. 172 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: She's like, I've been fired from every job I've ever had. 173 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, me too. 174 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 6: I think so I actually got fired for Restoration Hardware. 175 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 6: While Tom Felicia, the original guy that had my job 176 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 6: on the original Queer Eye was filming in the in 177 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 6: the in the store. The long story wasn't anything crazy. 178 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 6: I just I changed my own time in the system 179 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 6: because I was there overnight, like making sure the store 180 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 6: was perfect. And I went in the next day and 181 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 6: I we had forgot to clock out the night before, 182 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 6: and I noticed that the GM had just clocked us 183 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 6: all out at the time that we were supposed to leave, 184 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 6: but we had all worked hours later. So I went 185 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 6: in and fixed everyone's time, including my own. And I 186 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 6: had just let somebody go the week before for doing 187 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 6: that because it was completely against company policy and somebody 188 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 6: narked on me, and so. 189 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 4: I always do. 190 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 6: Yeah I know who it was too, with some other 191 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 6: bitch who wanted my job. Yeah, so the GM, like 192 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 6: on a technicality, had to fire me. But like her 193 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 6: and I have stayed friends all this time. So when 194 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 6: I when I went on Queer Eye, she actually was like, 195 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 6: aren't you glad I fired you? 196 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: Yes? 197 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: Was that your job before? Well, like, because no, you 198 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 2: had was was restoration before Queer before Queer Eyes? 199 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 6: Oh the restation was like two thousand and four, Okay, yeah, yeah, 200 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 6: a long way way before Queer I twenty almost twenty 201 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 6: years before. 202 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: Actually, how did you keep going, like after you kept 203 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: getting like let go from all these jobs? 204 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 4: What kept you going? 205 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: I mean hunger, needing to pay rent? 206 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, like never having a security blanket or a net 207 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 6: to fall back on. 208 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: Like what kept me going was, yeah, needing to pay 209 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: my bills. 210 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 4: So interesting. 211 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know everyone's like, what gave you drive? 212 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 6: I'm like food, shelter, yeah, shelter yeah. Yeah, the yearning 213 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 6: to go out every once. 214 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 4: In a while. 215 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: I have an expensive cocktail. 216 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 217 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: No. 218 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 6: When I worked at Resto then I brought home twenty 219 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 6: two hundred dollars a month. My rent was twenty one hundred. 220 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 6: I lived on one hundred bucks a month, yeah, my rent, 221 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 6: and it included utilities how yeah like dollar chicken sandwiches 222 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 6: a day. 223 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: Like I was so thin. 224 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember. I remember one day actually working there. 225 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 6: I was walking up these steps and like my pants 226 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 6: fell down at restoration Art because I was so thin 227 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 6: and I couldn't afford to get a belt, so I 228 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 6: was always like holding my pants up. But I was 229 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 6: carrying these boxes and my pants slipped down because I 230 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 6: had lost so much weight. 231 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, but I wanted to be in New York, so. 232 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the thing. It's like, you do 233 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: what you have to do. I mean, that is a 234 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 2: wild though. You're like, I have one hundred dollars after 235 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: I pay rent and utilities, and I have one sandwich. Yeah. 236 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 6: Well I would get a sandwich and I would eat 237 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 6: like half for lunch and then I would save the 238 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 6: other half for dinner. 239 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, do you do like home renovation design outside. 240 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 6: Of Yeah, I have a full Okay, that's what no. 241 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 6: I did before Queer Eye. That's where I got the job. 242 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: Oh that's what I was gonna say. Okay, so what 243 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 2: was the path of Like were you already doing that 244 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: when you were at restoration, like doing like side things. 245 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 6: I was a design manager, so I was in charge 246 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 6: of merchandising, so like making sure the store looked good, 247 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 6: like setting up the displays. So I always had kind 248 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 6: of an eye for that. And then I went to 249 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 6: bed Bath Beyond that was horrible. And then I ended 250 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 6: up at an Italian linen company and that was horrible. 251 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 6: And then I worked at a company called Portico, which 252 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 6: was a high end furniture company. I had about a 253 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 6: dozen stores around the US, and I worked my way 254 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 6: up excuse me, from like store manager to a creative 255 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 6: director in the end, and that company ended up going bankrupt, 256 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 6: not because I was running like I became creative director 257 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 6: and then it went bankrupt, but when that company would 258 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 6: make up, I had also built their e commerce division, 259 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 6: and so that night when the company went under, I 260 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 6: actually went in and this cloned the whole database that 261 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 6: I had created for that company, and I registered Bobby 262 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 6: Burke home dot com and I launched Bobby Broke home 263 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 6: dot Com that night, being like, maybe I'll sell a 264 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 6: sofa to while I look for another job. But it 265 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 6: actually became quite successful. I was one of the first 266 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 6: retailers in the world selling furniture online. My actually biggest 267 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 6: hurdle was getting manufacturers to let me carry their product, 268 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 6: because they're like, no one's going to buy furniture online. 269 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 6: You're just gonna piss off our brick and mortar stores. 270 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 6: So I two years later, I actually ended up opening 271 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 6: up my first brick and mortar store, and so just 272 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 6: so I could get the product I want wanted and 273 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 6: so like, oh, if you have a brick and mortar store, 274 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 6: we'll let you carry our stuff. Yeah, So then I 275 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 6: started opening up more stores. I had stores in La Atlanta, Miami, 276 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 6: and New York. And so I built that brand for 277 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 6: about eight or nine years, and then my design firm 278 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 6: started being more of a focus. So as leases were up, 279 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 6: I started getting out of retail because retails, oh yeah, 280 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 6: And the goal was never to be in retail. The 281 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 6: goal was to use retails storefronts to build my brand 282 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 6: name into license and design. 283 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 284 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 6: And so twenty fifteen, my husband and I decided to 285 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 6: move to LA and I was focusing to solely on 286 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 6: my licensing business and my design business. And then twenty 287 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 6: end of twenty sixteen, I started getting calls asking me 288 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 6: to audition for QUEERAI and so I did a couple 289 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 6: like virtual Skype. Yeah, you know, it was before pandemic, 290 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 6: so Skype was the only thing you could do for video. 291 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 6: Some Skype auditions, which I thought all went horrible, but 292 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 6: I kept getting asked to do more, and then I 293 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 6: got asked to come to in person auditions. The funny 294 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 6: thing is I actually had a trip to Spain planned 295 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 6: that week, and I was like, there's. 296 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 3: No way I'm getting the show. 297 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 6: I'm going to Spain, Like I'm not gonna add it 298 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 6: was this tile company, Porcelonosa, was like bringing me to 299 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 6: Spain and paying for everything, and like it was this amazing, 300 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 6: once in a lifetime trip and I'm like, yeah, I'm 301 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 6: not going to pass up this trip to go audition 302 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 6: for show. There's that There's no way I'm going to 303 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 6: get But luckily audition started on Wednesday night and I 304 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 6: wasn't supposed to leave for Spain until Friday morning. So 305 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, I'll go to the first two 306 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 6: days and yeah, late late, at like one o'clock in 307 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 6: the morning on Thursday night, because they told me like, 308 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 6: we'll give you a call back if you're gonna come 309 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 6: in Friday. If not, you just won't hear from us. 310 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 6: And so at like midnight, I'm like, all right, well 311 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 6: I'm going to Spain. I haven't heard from them. And 312 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 6: then at like one one thirty in the morning, my 313 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 6: phone ring and they're like, hey, we want you to 314 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 6: come back for the final day. Oh so I wanted 315 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 6: luckily canceled Spain. 316 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, and now you're not eating chicken sandwiches anymore. 317 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: No, I am only because I want to. 318 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: One for lunch and the whole one for there. 319 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: What does your day to day look like? Now, Like, 320 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: what's a typical day for you. 321 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 6: It varies, which is what I love. You know, I 322 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 6: used to when I had my stores. I was in 323 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 6: my stores, you know, three hundred and sixty three days 324 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 6: a year, except Thanksgiving and Christmas because that's the only 325 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 6: days you're open. 326 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: Which those days always pissed me off because. 327 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 6: I'm like, I still have to pay rent, yeah, but 328 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 6: I can't open my stores. I'm like, landlord, why don't 329 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 6: you give me those two days for free? It didn't 330 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 6: worry that way, so, you know, back then, I worked 331 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 6: seven days a week, you know, eighteen hour days on 332 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 6: my store, and then my design firm, I was there, 333 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 6: you know, five to six days a week every day. 334 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 6: Now it varies. You know, I have a really great 335 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 6: team at my design firm, so I don't have to 336 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 6: deal with the day to day of it. I'm just 337 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 6: kind of like a creative head I made. You know, 338 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 6: There's some projects I'm like heavily involved in and then 339 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 6: some really I'm not involved in at all anymore. And 340 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 6: then I also have a marketing department at my company 341 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 6: that we deal with brand partnerships and social and things 342 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 6: like that. And then a lot of this like doing 343 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 6: interviews and podcasts, and shows and random game shows and 344 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 6: then filming other shows and yeah, so's it varies. Like 345 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 6: there's some days where I won't be doing anything and 346 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 6: I can just like have some chill time, which I 347 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 6: didn't used to be okay with, going from somebody who 348 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 6: worked like seven days a week up until the pandemic, 349 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 6: that's all I could do. 350 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 3: Like if I just didn't do something for an afternoon, 351 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 3: I would feel like, oh, I'm like, oh my god, 352 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: I'm so lazy. I'm not doing the most. 353 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, and then COVID came and I'm like, oh my god, yeah, no, 354 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 6: I'm And. 355 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: Now sometimes I get annoyed. 356 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 6: I'm like, how do I have something four days this week? 357 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 3: What is this? 358 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 6: Because I'd also like today, my day started really early 359 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 6: and it goes really late today and I'm packed all 360 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 6: over the place, And I would prefer that instead of. 361 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: Like, oh, you've got like one interview in the afternoon. 362 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 6: I'm like, don't ruin a beautiful day by putting one 363 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 6: thing of work right. 364 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 3: Back it all into one. 365 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 6: I'm fine with having a busy day, And like a 366 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 6: line at my PR firms are always like, are you're 367 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 6: sure you want all that one day? I'm like, yes, absolutely, 368 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 6: I don't want to get camera ready for one interview. Yeah, 369 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 6: pack them all in there. I can switch shirt so 370 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 6: I'll never know. 371 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: It's one day. 372 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 4: So funny, it's so funny. 373 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: It was the exact same way like I felt before 374 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: the pandemic, like I had to just keep going. 375 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 4: It was pretty crazy. 376 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 3: It's horrible for your mental health. Yeah, yeah, now I 377 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 3: think we all all realize we need to prioritize them. 378 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then when did you start writing this book? 379 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 6: So this has been an idea I've had for quite 380 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 6: a few years. When the show came out, everybody wanted 381 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 6: me to do like a memoir design book, and I'm 382 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 6: not ready to do a memoir like I've had. You know, 383 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 6: I've had an interesting pass. I don't need to put 384 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 6: all that out there yet. Yeah, I don't need to 385 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 6: ruin those brand deals yet. And a design book I 386 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 6: didn't really want to do because design books are pretty 387 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 6: you know, there's tens of thousands of them out there, 388 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 6: and they're all amazing, they're all wonderful, But design books 389 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 6: are expensive to make because there's. 390 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 3: A lot of photography that goes into it. 391 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 6: There's a lot of photo shoots, there's a lot of 392 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 6: photos to pay for. There's a lot of set direction 393 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 6: and design to pay for, so it makes it an 394 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 6: expensive book and I didn't want to make this pretty 395 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 6: coffee table book where Honestly, a lot of times those 396 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 6: books also just really make you feel bad about your 397 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 6: space because they show these big, beautifl spaces that are 398 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 6: really unattainable for most people. So and again I'm not 399 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 6: knocking those. 400 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 3: I love those. 401 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 6: There's lots of inspiration, but I really wanted to do 402 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 6: a book, like with my show, that helps people and 403 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 6: really makes them think about how design affects not just 404 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 6: the way their home looks, but the way their home 405 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 6: makes them feel. So during the filming of my show, 406 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 6: I started noticing like tall tale signs of depression in people's. 407 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 4: Homes, and what are those signs? 408 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: Like? 409 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 6: You know, when I would walk in and I would 410 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 6: see piles of laundry in a bedroom, I'm like, I 411 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 6: think we're dealing with depression here, and you were like, what, 412 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 6: piles of laundry doesn't mean you're depressed. I'm like, you're right, 413 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 6: it doesn't, but it can. You know, it's if you 414 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 6: think of accomplishing laundry, you know, as an accomplishment. And 415 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 6: when you go to bed at night and you see 416 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 6: that pile of laundry sitting on the floor, and you 417 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 6: think to yourself, ah, I told myself I was going 418 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 6: to do that, but I didn't. So you go to 419 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 6: bed with a notch of failure. And then when you 420 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 6: wake up the next day, the very first thing you're 421 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 6: confronted with is literally that pile of failure, and you. 422 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: Don't think much of it. 423 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 6: It's not like this huge nail, ghastly failure, but your 424 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 6: brain starts your day off with a, oh, that was 425 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 6: something I told myself I was going to accomplish and 426 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 6: I didn't. So when you get to work, your brain 427 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 6: is already kind of on that the road of not 428 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 6: accomplishing things, you know, so little things like that, and 429 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 6: even like making your bed in the morning, I know, 430 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 6: it's not this huge accomplishment, it's this big thing you're accomplishing. 431 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 6: But again, you make your bed and you've got that 432 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 6: little notch of accomplishment, and you you're training your brain 433 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 6: that you are going to succeed at the things today 434 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 6: that you told yourself you're going to do, and by 435 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 6: the time you get to work, your mind is already 436 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 6: being pre programmed, like your car battery. I don't know 437 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 6: if you guys drive electric, but if you put in 438 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 6: an electric charging station, your car will automatically say, because 439 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 6: it knows it's about to get charged, pre conditioning battery 440 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 6: for charging. So it's pre conditioning that battery for success. 441 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 6: That's what you're doing with these little things in your home. 442 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 6: You're preconditioning your mind for success for. 443 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 3: The rest of the day. 444 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: I love that I do make my bed every day, 445 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: and I also have a hell of laundry in my bedroom. 446 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 2: I'm balanced. 447 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 4: I'm like such a firm believer in that too. 448 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: And like so I have an apartment that's mine and 449 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: I like designed it to be exactly what I wanted 450 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: to be, and I like felt so badass in that apartment, 451 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: like it was all mine. It was all my design, 452 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: Like I just was put together. And I have a 453 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: boyfriend that I don't live with him officially, but I 454 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: basically like live with him. 455 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 4: I just haven't like this is this is a whole 456 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 4: other time. 457 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: You could talk to me for days about that, but 458 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: I can't give up my apartment until I'm engaged. 459 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 4: I just feel very strongly about that. 460 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 6: But Anyways, I got to give him an ultimatum. Well 461 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 6: he knows that watching ultimatum. 462 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: We actually started watching it and he was like, this 463 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 4: is probably not the best. 464 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: Show for us to watch it. 465 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: I'm that type of television. 466 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's very empty. The house is just like 467 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: very empty. There's nothing in it. And I'm like, there's 468 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: something that's making me like I when I move my 469 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: stuff over, I will you know, make it more of 470 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: like my space. But I'm like, there is something about 471 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: the way that you live Like I'm like, I feel 472 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: empty because my home feels empty. It's such a subconscious thing. 473 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: Like the space that you live in is so important, 474 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: and like when we have just stuff everywhere, we're going 475 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: to feel suffocated in life. 476 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 6: Well, think of your home as like your phone charger. 477 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 6: You know, if you don't plug your phone in every night, 478 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 6: or if there's a short in that court, or you 479 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 6: don't get it in all the way, your phone doesn't 480 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 6: get fully charged, and what happens to it doesn't make 481 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 6: it through the next day it does. Your home should 482 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 6: be recharging you fully. 483 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 3: You know. 484 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 6: When people are asking me all the time, like, oh, 485 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 6: how should I design my home? What are the trends, 486 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 6: and I'm like, the trend is whatever makes you happy. 487 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 6: And like the first chapter in the book is talking 488 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 6: about the literally it says, let's normalize not asking people 489 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 6: what their design aesthetic is because your design aesthetic doesn't matter. 490 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 6: It's not what your design aesthetic is. It's let's normalize 491 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 6: asking people what makes them happy, because putting things in 492 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 6: your home that make you happy is what's really going 493 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 6: to cultivate a space that really recharges you. And if 494 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 6: that ugly purple credenza from antch Gertrude makes you, put 495 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 6: it in your house. It's about that eye. 496 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: And if it doesn't, yeah, don't take yeah, exactly get 497 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 3: rid of it. 498 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: If somebody like, okay, if somebody's starting out, I guess 499 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: I could say me, I'm not I'm designed for dummies. 500 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 4: It's not my thing. 501 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: It's like I just don't have that they I don't have. 502 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 4: The eye, I don't have the touch. 503 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: What's something that can really kind of like transform your 504 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: home or your space like design for dummies? 505 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 6: Well, a lot of times people, you know, going back 506 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 6: to the design aesthetic, you know, they don't know because 507 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 6: just like you, it's like design's not on the forefront 508 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 6: of their mind, Like that's not what they do. They 509 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 6: think they don't have an eye for it. But it's 510 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 6: all about just figuring out the things in life that 511 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 6: make you happy. Like years ago, there was a client 512 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 6: on the show that you know, he had inherited his 513 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 6: grandmother's house from the seventies, Like she had an amazing style, 514 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 6: but it was not the style of a twenty seven 515 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 6: year old bachelor. And so I asked him. I was like, 516 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 6: you know, what's your favorite show? And he's like, mad Men. 517 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, fifties, And like what's your dream vacation 518 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 6: and he's like Cuba. I'm like, also stuck in the fifties. 519 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 6: So I did his home in mid century modern and 520 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 6: put this really mural of a havana in there, and 521 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 6: did like, you know, some banana leaf wallpaper, and he's like, 522 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 6: oh my god, how did you get in my head? 523 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 6: Like this is exactly what I wanted, even though I 524 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 6: had no idea exactly what I wanted. I'm like, I 525 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 6: asked you about the things that you're passionate about in life, 526 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 6: because those are what you should fill your home with. 527 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 6: So like, think about what your favorite article of clothing is. 528 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 6: If it's like a worn leather jacket, then you'll probably 529 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 6: like leather accents in your home. Or if it's a 530 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 6: you know, a chunky knit sweater, then you'll probably like 531 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 6: chunky nit pillows or throws and like those are the 532 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 6: things that are gonna make you happy in your home. 533 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 6: So start with thinking about dream vacations, favorite movies, favorite shows. 534 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: You know, think about what you like about those, and 535 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: that will help you figure out what you like to 536 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 3: put in your home. 537 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 538 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 2: What if you're someone who thinks set a white couch 539 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: is going to make them happy, and then you get 540 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: the white couch and you realize that it is a absolute 541 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: pain and you can't keep it clean, like myself, what 542 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: do you say to that person? 543 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 3: Be cleaner? 544 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: Like I have a little dog and like her little 545 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 2: pawprins just like going outside, they get on there. 546 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 3: I have a white sofa and I have a little dog. 547 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 6: How do you keep I buy a sofa with removable 548 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 6: cushions so they can be washed. 549 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, don't you have that? 550 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? Take off? 551 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean she gets a dirty sometimes, but I 552 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 6: just take the cushions off every few months. Yeah, But like, 553 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 6: don't ever if you have a pet, you know, don't 554 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 6: buy a white sofa that doesn't have removable cushions. 555 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 556 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, Like there's a sofa I'm dying to get from 557 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 6: this company in Australia called Jardin and this is so beautiful, 558 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 6: but like it's all tight back and tight cushion, which 559 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 6: means like the fabric is just like part of the sofa. 560 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 6: There's nothing that's removable, And I'm like, no, I can't 561 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 6: have that, you know, And you have to think about 562 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 6: things that are in your life when you're doing design, 563 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 6: Like what part of the book it's all about function, 564 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 6: you know, figuring out how things need to function in 565 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 6: your life because function is the mother of design. Like, 566 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 6: when I'm going into somebody's home, the first thing I 567 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 6: think about is how the space needs to function, not 568 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 6: about how it's going to look, because if it's dysfunctional, 569 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 6: that's the thing that's going to cause frustration and annoyance 570 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 6: and anger and you know, strife with your relationship with 571 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 6: your partners and your kids because you're frustrated that your 572 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 6: space isn't working for you. Like one of the chapters 573 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 6: is there's a little room guide in every single chapter, 574 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 6: And one of them is for the kitchen, and it's 575 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 6: like your kitchen should be the sous chef, Like your 576 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 6: kitchen should be set up in a way that you 577 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 6: don't necessarily need somebody helping you. Like, your kitchen should 578 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 6: be organized in a way that everything you need is 579 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 6: right there and accessible. 580 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 3: You know. 581 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 6: So like there's something like the you know, the single 582 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 6: arm test, if you can, if it's something that you 583 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 6: use often, you should be. 584 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 3: Able to reach it without having to pull a chair out. 585 00:25:59,720 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: You know. 586 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 6: Obviously there's some smaller spaces that that's just not possible, 587 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 6: but you know, there's there's good advice in there for 588 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 6: for everybody, even small spaces. 589 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that. 590 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 2: I think I thought I think I was thinking, oh, 591 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 2: I don't have kids, phoebe my dogs, I know, but 592 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 2: like I don't have like a you know. And then 593 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: I just started noticing. I was like, this feels. 594 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 3: You can also I don't know, like wash her feet. 595 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: Her feet, it's like the it's like something about whatever 596 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: whenever her paws ge Like what I know, it's impossible. 597 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm so like I I'm a clean freak, and I 598 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: would like anytime my dog will go outside, i'd wipe 599 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: her feet when she came back. 600 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 3: I used to not anyone. 601 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 4: No, you just can't. Every time she wants to go outside, 602 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 4: it's like. 603 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 6: It's like your parents who have like one kid, they 604 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 6: do like sanitize everything, and then the first one comes along, 605 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 6: there's like throw their food on the ground. 606 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: They're like, here you go your that. 607 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: Literally, I try to get shoes for my dog. So 608 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: anytime I took her out that she would like put 609 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: her shoes on. 610 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have those too, and she hated them. Yeah, 611 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 3: She's like, what. 612 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 4: Are you doing to me? 613 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: She just lay down. 614 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 4: She's like, I'm not having anything. 615 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 6: We had a French of years ago that we would 616 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 6: We lived in New York, so you had to take 617 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 6: her outside, you know, there was no yard, and so 618 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 6: when it was rainy, we would put a clothes on 619 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 6: her and stuff and she would just stand there and 620 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 6: refuse to ye, no, get this. 621 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: Off of me. 622 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's what Phoebe does too. She just 623 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 2: stares at me like, how dare you? How did you 624 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: meet your husband online? Online? 625 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 6: Which one gay dot com? This was two thousand and four, girl, 626 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 6: Oh it's long long gone. 627 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 4: Oh wow. 628 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 6: The funny thing is it now forwards to the the 629 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 6: Los Angeles LGBTQ Center is apparently like whoever owned it 630 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 6: got in like huge trouble with taxes, and so as 631 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 6: part of their penance, they had to like donate things 632 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 6: to charity, and that they donated the domain to the 633 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 6: LGBTQ s. LGBTQ Center has done anything with it yet. 634 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 6: I'm like, that's a really great ip that you are 635 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 6: literally gay. 636 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 637 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been together almost twenty years. 638 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: Wow, amazing. 639 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 4: What's the secret? 640 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 6: He's the secret? Yeah, being with somebody that can put 641 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 6: up with you. I don't know, you know, uh, we 642 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 6: enjoy each other's company, you know, we we This sounds crazy, 643 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 6: but we don't really do things apart, even though like 644 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 6: we travel for work, so we're not like with each 645 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 6: other twenty four to seven. But I know so many 646 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 6: couples that are like, oh, I have to have my 647 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 6: boys night or my girl's night a few nights a week, 648 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 6: the like get away from my spouse. I'm like, if 649 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 6: you feel they need to have to get away from 650 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 6: your spouse, like that's not the person you need to 651 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 6: be with. Like, you know, I can't imagine telling my 652 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 6: husband and being like I'm gonna go out with my friends. Bye, 653 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 6: Like that's just not ever been an option in our relationship, 654 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 6: Like we do things together yea, And I think that's 655 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 6: been one of the secrets to our relationship is we've 656 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 6: never grown apart because we've we've always been very conscious 657 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 6: to not allow that. Yeah, you know, I think it 658 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 6: can be kind of a slippery sope. And I'm not, 659 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 6: you know, saying that everybody who needs a girl's night 660 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 6: out with their friends is in a doomed relationship, right right, Yeah, 661 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 6: you know, but I think it starts to slippery slope, 662 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 6: Like the more you do that, the more you know, 663 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 6: you guys start not spending time with each other. 664 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 665 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: I was thinking because I did that too, where I 666 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: have to actively go do things with my friends without 667 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 2: my girlfriend because I could spend every moment with her. 668 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: So I'm like, I have to like make this pun no, no, 669 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: but I feel so grateful that I that we always 670 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: want to be together. But I also am like, I 671 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: want to, you know, nurture these other relationships outside of 672 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: my relationship. 673 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, you don't want to be one of those people 674 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 6: that when they get in a relationship, they just like 675 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 6: abandon their friends. 676 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: We had a friend like that in. 677 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 6: New York years ago, and we always knew when he 678 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 6: was dating somebody because we're like. 679 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 3: Hell, has anybody heard from Bryce? Yeah, like Bryce must 680 00:29:59,040 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 3: have a new boyfriend. 681 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 6: And then like a couple months later, you start hearing 682 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 6: from them every day again, I'm like, oh, they broke up. 683 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 3: And then after a while. 684 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 6: We're just like weird, just don't answer as called anymore 685 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 6: because we're clearly not important. So yeah, like it obviously 686 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 6: is good to cultivate, but you know, our friends, his 687 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 6: friends became our friends. My friends became our friends. You know, 688 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 6: Like I can still cultivate the relationships with my friends, 689 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 6: I just do it with him. 690 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 691 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's been one of the secrets. 692 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 3: Is we just every aspect of our life we include 693 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: it with each other. 694 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 695 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: I love that. I mean twenty years, that's like a 696 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: real testament of being with the right person. 697 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 3: And the funny you know, for years, I traveled a 698 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 3: lot for work, and so I'm like, for a while, 699 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 3: my God, is a secret to our relationship is that 700 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 3: we just you know, were away from each other. 701 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 6: But then COVID happened and we were together twenty four 702 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 6: to sevens seven days a week, and we had like one. 703 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 3: Fight over the three years, and I was like, actually, no, 704 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: that wasn't the secret. Like we can still be with 705 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 3: each other twenty four to seven and we're still good. 706 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: I didn't ask how y'all how y'all deal with that? 707 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: Because my girlfriend, she's an artist, so she goes on tour. 708 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: I have a real I hate when she's gone, Like 709 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: it's really hard for me. 710 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: So he goes to New York every month for five 711 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 3: days for work. 712 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 4: Oh wow. 713 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 6: And then I used to travel constantly before COVID and 714 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 6: even when I had my stores, I was always on 715 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 6: the road. But with my show, like when I'm un traveling, 716 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 6: he just he makes it. We make an effort to 717 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 6: see each other every single week. I mean we He 718 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 6: will fly to wherever I am every single week. 719 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 2: Oh that's great. Yeah, that's what I have to do too, 720 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: every two weeks. You know. 721 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 4: I heard the store. 722 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: Ryan always tells a story about when Keith Urban was 723 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: a judge on American Idol. 724 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 4: There was he do you remember exactly? 725 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: He like it was like he flew to Australia to 726 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: see Nicole for like the night I want to dinner 727 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: with her because they had like film Idol and I'm like, 728 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: that is commitment to your reallyation. 729 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 3: We we had a date at the airport once because 730 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 3: he was landing at the airport and I was leaving, 731 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 3: and so we like, at least work the flights to 732 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 3: where we could like grab dinner at PF Chains in 733 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: the international terminal, and you know, you you have to 734 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:05,959 Speaker 3: make an effort. 735 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love PF Changs. 736 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 4: It's a great day spot. 737 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 5: Love. 738 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: What is your dream like moving forward? You have the book, 739 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: you're you've done done the show that we cannot speak of, Like, 740 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: what what's your dream situation? In terms of career wise? 741 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 6: I would love to do a new design competition show. 742 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 6: You know, if you guys remember like Design Star from 743 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 6: back in the day. It's kind of like Project Runway, 744 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 6: but for design. I want to find the next emerging 745 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 6: designer and not just for like somebody to have their 746 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 6: own show, but like the next big home brand, you know, 747 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 6: the next Joanna Games, you know, the next line that's 748 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 6: going to be in a major retailer. Like I want 749 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 6: to do a design show like that, which I would host. 750 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: I feels like something is it already. 751 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 4: In the yea? 752 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 6: Maybe people are like, oh, it's because in fashion and 753 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 6: like actually know, like this is something that that I 754 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 6: wanted to do long before Tan told us in on 755 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 6: set one days, like by the way, Loves I got 756 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 6: my own show, and when he told me, I was like, noll, 757 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 6: I want to do that too. So yeah, I've been 758 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 6: like writing challenges for that show for for years. 759 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: And years and years. I so see that for you, 760 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 2: And I love the idea of seeing someone come up 761 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: and have that moment for themselves. That's really cool fun. 762 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 6: But I definitely wanted to be a show where you know, 763 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 6: the ones back in the day, they're all like kind 764 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 6: of like white box challenges. It's all shot in a studio, 765 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 6: you know. I want to do it like out in 766 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 6: the real world, like designing real homes, designing hotel rooms. 767 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 3: You know, actually like out there in the world. 768 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 6: Hopefully internationally, although studios are not spending any money on budget, 769 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 6: so I don't know when you knew that. 770 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the idea of a hotel, like see 771 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 2: who's going to design the look for the hotel exactly? 772 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 5: That is cool. 773 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: We're going to be praying for that for you. 774 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 775 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for taking time out of 776 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 2: your schedule to scrub in with us. 777 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and tell everybody where they can get your book. 778 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 6: You can go to Bobby Burk dot com slash book 779 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 6: and you can find a list of retailers there. Please 780 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 6: buy from small book retailers. I mean, we love the 781 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 6: big retailers, but support the small booksellers. 782 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 3: I love that. 783 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: And where can they follow you? On social media? 784 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 3: My TikTok and my Instagram is Bobby. 785 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 6: Just Bobby, Yeah, at Bobby. And then when I people 786 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 6: are like just Bobby, I'm like, yeah, just Bobby, and 787 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 6: then they're like, I'm typing in just Bobby. 788 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 3: I know it's just atye. 789 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, my threads, my TikTok, and my Instagram all that's thanks. 790 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 3: My X is not But does it even really matter anymore? 791 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 2: You know? 792 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 4: I like still forget that it's X. Like I was 793 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 4: like looking for it the other day and I'm like, 794 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 4: where's my. 795 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a whole other episode. Yeah. 796 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness, the destruction of an amazing brand. 797 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 5: I have one quick question for you, Bobby. 798 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 799 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,479 Speaker 5: My wife and I are restoring this like one hundred 800 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 5: year old craftsman. I'll do it, yeah, the hard way. 801 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 5: We've been in white paint colors for a very long time. 802 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 5: We're in Minrovia near Pasadena. 803 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful craftsman over there. 804 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's great, but it's also a lot of work. 805 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 5: Uh what's your go to white paint color? Do you 806 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 5: have one? 807 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 6: It's Sherman Williams snow something. It's there's a whole article 808 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 6: on Bobby burg dot com about my favorite white paints. 809 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 5: Oh there you go, thank you. We're stuck in polar 810 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 5: bear and I want some other ideas. 811 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 3: You know, whites are polarizing. You know. 812 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 6: When we were doing my my offices, we had like 813 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 6: twenty different white swatches painted up on the wall and 814 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 6: inside and the outside of the house because it's white 815 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 6: as well. 816 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 3: And You're like, all. 817 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 6: Right, is this white? This is the perfect white on 818 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 6: the on the exterior. But I'm like, oh, I think 819 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 6: this might be too reflect for the neighbors. And it's 820 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 6: like gotta be too bright, you know, And so yeah, 821 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 6: whites can be hard. 822 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like I see a lot of people 823 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: talk about this and they're like, which white do you 824 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 2: like the most of them? 825 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 4: Like they when they put them on a pink. 826 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 6: Undertone, so them have gray undertones, And you really do 827 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 6: need to put them up on the wall, and you 828 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 6: need to see how they look in the light when 829 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 6: when the light changes throughout the day, because as the 830 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 6: light changes, you'll start to see the undertone color. And 831 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 6: again like often, I mean you might want a pink undertone, 832 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 6: but usually that's not the best white because it's not 833 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 6: going to go with more modern things. So yeah, put 834 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 6: up some swatches, like a at least like a twelve 835 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 6: inch by twelve inch swatch, and so you can see 836 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 6: the way. And put them up kind of close together 837 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 6: so you can because it's hard the naked eye. It's 838 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 6: it's kind of hard sometimes to see the differences in 839 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 6: the white. You're like, I don't see It's like you know, 840 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 6: a Terra Tara a Tyra Banks smiles. I'm like, I 841 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 6: don't see the difference. I don't see what you're doing 842 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 6: with your eyes, you know, do you. 843 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 3: See the difference? 844 00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 4: You see what I'm doing? 845 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 3: Like, no, I don't. 846 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 2: You know? 847 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 3: White page it the same way. It's like, do you 848 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 3: see the difference, And I'm like, no, I don't. 849 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 6: So put them right up next to each other so 850 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 6: you can you can exactly see why they are different. 851 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 2: Last question, what is your one design. I know you 852 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 2: said it's all about how you feel whatnot. But if 853 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 2: you just based on like design mind not like how 854 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 2: you feel emotion, what is your one design? Don't that 855 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 2: you tell. 856 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 3: People scale the scale of things? Like I don't really think. 857 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 6: People always like what's the rules of design? And like 858 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 6: the rules are there are no rules? Like the rules 859 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 6: are really what makes you happy and what works for 860 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 6: your space. But I would say the one thing I 861 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 6: always cautioned people on is making sure the scale of 862 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 6: things work for the room, Like because if if furniture 863 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 6: is too big, yeah, you know, it really creates chaos 864 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 6: in the space. Like I was at a hotel in 865 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 6: DC recently and every single piece of furniture in the 866 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 6: room was exquisite. That they were all too big and 867 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 6: it made you made you feel like pac Man, like 868 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 6: going through the room, like and you're stubbing your toe 869 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 6: and you're hitting your hip and I'm just like God, 870 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 6: the designer had such good taste that they do not 871 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 6: understand scale, Like the scale of things need to be right, 872 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 6: the scale of your rug, the height of lamps. 873 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 3: You know, like a scale needs. 874 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 6: To be right for a space to feel good. So 875 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 6: always look for the right scale of things. 876 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 2: That's good advice. 877 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: I definitely have to get a copy of your book, 878 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: because again. 879 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 3: I'd give you this one if it wasn't my only one. 880 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 4: If anybody wants a book, it's right at home. 881 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: How good design is good for the mind, And it's 882 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: available September twelfth, so everybody order it now, pre order it, 883 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: and let's get you on the New York Times bestseller list. 884 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, You so much.