Speaker 1: My New Year's resolution this year, which I think I've
Speaker 1: stuck to, is just like be honest with people and
Speaker 1: be be yourself.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to episode ninety six of the podcast with
Speaker 2: Phoebe Bridges, who I have to thank more than I
Speaker 2: usually would any of our other guests because this is
Speaker 2: the second time that we have made this podcast. I
Speaker 2: met up with Phoebe originally during Lockdown when she was
Speaker 2: living here in London for about a month or so.
Speaker 2: We had a lovely chat. It was a great time,
Speaker 2: and then I realized once I got home or back
Speaker 2: to our office, that I hadn't pressed record. Thankfully, Phoebe
Speaker 2: is a nice enough person to do a do over
Speaker 2: with me. So this conversation that you're about to hear
Speaker 2: was recorded whilst Phoebe was back in Los Angeles. We
Speaker 2: did this over zoom. She recorded her end of the conversation,
Speaker 2: I recorded mine. We stuck them together, and I think
Speaker 2: I think it's better than the first conversation that we had,
Speaker 2: but you're going to have to take my word for that,
Speaker 2: because no one will ever hear it. There are some
Speaker 2: links below, as per usual, that'll all makes sense as
Speaker 2: we go along. Down there is a link for un Cabaret,
Speaker 2: which is the comedy show that Phoebe's mum is a
Speaker 2: part of as a stand up comic. I should warn
Speaker 2: you that this episode does contain some particularly bad language.
Speaker 2: There's a part where we're talking about Phoebe's favorite swear
Speaker 2: words and some of them are the really bad ones.
Speaker 2: Other than that, I hope you enjoy it. If you
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Speaker 2: if we can tempt you in that way. For now, though,
Speaker 2: this is number ninety six of Midnight Chats with the incredible,
Speaker 2: extremely funny Phoebe Bridges, who I should say, released a
Speaker 2: great album during the middle of Lockdown in June. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've heard it already, but if you haven't, it's
Speaker 2: called Punisher, And although it's extremely sad, it's very good
Speaker 2: and Phoebe as you're about to hear, is extremely funny. Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go. You're in La right, You're in your
Speaker 2: are your home? Is that your home? I can see
Speaker 2: behind you. It looks like a lovely log cabin.
Speaker 1: It is very lovely. Yeah, I love it. I like
Speaker 1: being home. But also, America is the worst. It's the worst.
Speaker 1: I fucking hate it. It's so embarrassing to be American.
Speaker 2: Because you were here for a little bit and because
Speaker 2: you obviously tour a lot. Do you find every time
Speaker 2: you go back you realize it? Is it particularly? Is
Speaker 2: it the worst right now because it's the worst right now?
Speaker 2: Or is it the worst because you've been away and
Speaker 2: you've been away from it and you've come back and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh shit, I forgot it was like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I literally came back and then it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, California's on fire.
Speaker 3: Ruth Bader Ginsburg died.
Speaker 1: It's like it's I used to think, do you remember
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen when all of our heroes died and
Speaker 1: everybody was just like, oh my god, this is the
Speaker 1: worst year ever.
Speaker 2: Was also the Trump year, Yeah, exactly, it was that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was considered like the worst year, and then twenty
Speaker 2: twenty has come along and shown it what for.
Speaker 1: And I also think that people are realizing that just
Speaker 1: because twenty twenty is the worst doesn't mean it's going
Speaker 1: to be over in a calendar year like twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one could be this could just be it for us,
Speaker 1: It could just continue to suck. White nationalists could take
Speaker 1: over the country at least, this is what I like.
Speaker 1: So yes, to answer your question, I do feel the
Speaker 1: worse right now, having had some space from it and
Speaker 1: then coming back and being like, oh, it is as
Speaker 1: bad as it could possibly be right now, as far
Speaker 1: as like, like, we handled the pandemic worse than anywhere else, obviously,
Speaker 1: but that is even more apparent to me after having
Speaker 1: distance and then yeah, and then California being on fire.
Speaker 2: I mean, not that this is a competition, but I
Speaker 2: feel like we're giving you a rum for your money.
Speaker 2: I think maybe you are doing it worse than us,
Speaker 2: but I think we're trying to keep up. I think
Speaker 2: we're like in the UK.
Speaker 1: With sure, but like the States, because the states are
Speaker 1: so separate here and like because Trump didn't take any
Speaker 1: responsibility whatsoever for dealing with it. It's like, you know, the
Speaker 1: super super red states are like it doesn't exist, and
Speaker 1: then in California they're like everybody hide. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just like separate waves of like a new group of
Speaker 1: people leaves their house.
Speaker 2: You know, how are you feeling about the election. Let's
Speaker 2: do the election. Let's get the election, Let's.
Speaker 3: Get it over with.
Speaker 1: I feel I mean, I don't want to say this
Speaker 1: because it's so sacrilege, but I I feel powerless, kind
Speaker 1: of like just the election last time was such a
Speaker 1: shock to everybody, or I don't want to say to everybody.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of like friends of color that
Speaker 1: were like, oh yeah, duh, like this has always been
Speaker 1: the system. It's been invisible to you because you're a
Speaker 1: white lady from Silver Lake.
Speaker 3: But but it was.
Speaker 1: Such a shock last time that this time I'm just like, well,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have control over my universe and
Speaker 1: that's all I can really think about. Where it's like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try my hardest to make sure that I'm
Speaker 1: speaking out as much as possible and putting my money
Speaker 1: where my mouth is as far as like charity, and
Speaker 1: and making sure that there's no you know, shadow banning
Speaker 1: and whatever in my world. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's like, I just hope that good people
Speaker 1: show up, you know. I mean, I'm gonna be there.
Speaker 1: They can't take me away from my polling place. But again,
Speaker 1: I live in California, so it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: no brainer every year.
Speaker 2: So you're in light that, you're in light the east
Speaker 2: of the city, right, you're in silver.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I'm surrounded by the liberal elite bubble. That's
Speaker 1: what I live in.
Speaker 2: You yeah, me too. It's nice, right, this is.
Speaker 3: Where I'm I'm cozy and comfy.
Speaker 1: But but yesterday I was driving in Santa Monica and
Speaker 1: drove by like the Veteran Cemetery, right, and there were
Speaker 1: all these tents with American flags outside of them.
Speaker 3: And I haven't looked into it yet.
Speaker 1: I assume it's like they're letting homeless veterans stay there
Speaker 1: in their tents. But I was like, this is the
Speaker 1: I was like, if this was in the writer's room,
Speaker 1: this would be rejected as too obvious, like it's such
Speaker 1: like homeless veterans sleeping on top of dead.
Speaker 3: Veterans.
Speaker 1: It's like, is like the craziest thing I've ever Oh god, wait,
Speaker 1: someone's calling me. That's no call answered the phone. Okay, wait, okay,
Speaker 1: we're back Hello.
Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, it sounds like it's like an SNL sketch
Speaker 2: that they would have They would have rejected.
Speaker 1: It would have been like, no, that's too stupid. That
Speaker 1: sounds like an eighties movie too on the nose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: Last time we met, it was in person. You're hearing
Speaker 2: like a kind of a bit of a sweet spot.
Speaker 2: I think because the weather was good. Lockdown was kind
Speaker 2: of good. That was that was good, by the way.
Speaker 2: The thing that was like the good time, it's kind
Speaker 2: of got bad again now and you were enjoying it
Speaker 2: like you liked have bad language. I seem to remember,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Love I love. Kunt is just my favorite word. It
Speaker 3: just really yeah.
Speaker 1: I I every time I'm over there and then I
Speaker 1: come back, I'm like, all right, nobody says kunt over here.
Speaker 2: I have to stop because everyone's ap pulled. When you
Speaker 2: say it, you like it slips out and people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean really, I think we talked about this before.
Speaker 1: But I think in like queer culture, weirdly, you can
Speaker 1: say it as.
Speaker 3: Much as you want.
Speaker 2: Okay, Like I think it's.
Speaker 3: Almost like the shock value of it is what's so valuable,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: But but I hear way more people say it nowadays.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, if I say it to like my
Speaker 1: mom or something, she's like, yeah, although she've heard her
Speaker 1: use it. Oh yeah, my mom is like, well, when
Speaker 1: she divorced my dad, she decided to do stand up comedy.
Speaker 2: No, she How old would she have been at that point?
Speaker 2: Is this before before you've arrived?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, this was around like I was like twenty.
Speaker 2: Okay, you went to watch it, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like my parents had a really fucked up marriage where
Speaker 1: they were just like domesticly kind of pulling off the
Speaker 1: idea of marriage sort of but like slept in step
Speaker 1: separate beds and super abusive and horrible, and my mom,
Speaker 1: like my dad was super controlling, and my mom never
Speaker 1: really got to have like a real job, and then
Speaker 1: she got when they finally got divorced, she just like
Speaker 1: got an amazing job and started doing stand up comedy.
Speaker 2: What was her bit, What was her like angle, what
Speaker 2: was her thing?
Speaker 1: Well, her thing is kind of like, I'm a suburban mom,
Speaker 1: but I I'm also really dirty and I am bitchy
Speaker 1: about pop culture. But to give you a little taste,
Speaker 1: I showed up one time and she was like.
Speaker 3: Is it okay if I talk about you a little bit?
Speaker 1: And she she told a story. I guess I must
Speaker 1: have been like eighteen or nineteen because I was not
Speaker 1: living with her, but I was still very like needy
Speaker 1: and freaked out about being an adult, and so I
Speaker 1: guess I texted her like a picture of my genitalia
Speaker 1: and said is this herpes? And she totally roasted me
Speaker 1: on stage and I love it. I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe that she's doing this. It felt like she
Speaker 1: was like really stepping out there and realized what was
Speaker 1: funny about her life.
Speaker 2: You know, there's you know some people sometimes you know,
Speaker 2: you meet someone who says I'm close to my momy
Speaker 2: and my mom are super close. That sounds like you're
Speaker 2: enough level of closeness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're like we're like the uh Comedy Central
Speaker 1: Gilmore girls. Okay, I want to say you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like way more fucked up Gilmore girls. Okay
Speaker 1: where like but also like with like screaming fights when
Speaker 1: I was a teenager and stuff.
Speaker 3: But she, Yeah, we like every partner that I've ever had.
Speaker 1: When they look at my texts with my mother are like,
Speaker 1: how are you sharing this information?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's great.
Speaker 2: Was she was.
Speaker 3: She really funny?
Speaker 2: Was she good at the comedy? Did she go down? Well?
Speaker 1: Well, I I always say that I like barely ever
Speaker 1: drink ever in my life. I feel like it's such
Speaker 1: a depressant. I'm just like, I can't add one more thing.
Speaker 1: But when I saw her for the first time, I
Speaker 1: got like wasted because I was so nervous and she
Speaker 1: and I didn't need to she was so fucking funny.
Speaker 1: Like every other time i've she's been doing it on
Speaker 1: like zoom. She does this show called on Cabaret in
Speaker 1: you know in normal times that is every Sunday, and
Speaker 1: she they've been doing it on Zoom and so my
Speaker 1: brother and I watched it last week and yeah, it crushes.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 2: I'm going to check this out. What's her what's her name?
Speaker 2: Is there a name that people listening to this should
Speaker 2: be finding her stuff? Just Jamie Bridges, Jamie Bridges, Okay, nice,
Speaker 2: And that is that her full time thing?
Speaker 1: I mean no, because I mean there's like no money
Speaker 1: in it, especially during a pandemic.
Speaker 3: But she it's her full time passion.
Speaker 1: And I've seen her like sell out places and she's
Speaker 1: at all the same spots as Like, you know, I've
Speaker 1: met a bunch of like famous comedians through my mother
Speaker 1: at this point, which fucking incredible.
Speaker 2: Who's your mum?
Speaker 1: And I met I kind of met like Tig Nataro
Speaker 1: in the same scene and uh, this guy Alex Edelman,
Speaker 1: who's fucking hilarious. Yeah, she took me to a show
Speaker 1: that Margaret Schow was doing that she did. It's really
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a very close knit and like
Speaker 1: d I y world, which I love. Like it's kind
Speaker 1: of more punk rock than Oh please excuse the circular
Speaker 1: saw outside of my house.
Speaker 3: If you can hear that, I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't hear that.
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that a neighbor building building a shack.
Speaker 3: Someone's someone's like preparing for the apocalypse?
Speaker 2: Okay, I get it. Probably a good idea.
Speaker 3: Probably a good idea is that.
Speaker 2: Where you get your sense of humor? From do you
Speaker 2: get that from your mom? Because I was going to say,
Speaker 2: like the fact that you love the word cunt, for example,
Speaker 2: and you also like twat, right, but you said I
Speaker 2: think I love I like that.
Speaker 1: I like the way you say though twat. Yeah, I say,
Speaker 1: like my mom says twat all the time. I really
Speaker 1: it's just so offensive, you know offensive.
Speaker 2: Hear that. It's not it's kind, it's not very offensive.
Speaker 2: That's that just means like they're a bit of an idiot.
Speaker 1: You tell that, right, I feel like I hear it
Speaker 1: only in America at least it to me, it means
Speaker 1: like stupid woman you would.
Speaker 3: Never call You would never call a man a twat,
Speaker 3: Actually you would. I do all the time.
Speaker 1: But but then there's twit, which is very no.
Speaker 2: That's like, that's very polite.
Speaker 3: That's who then would ever say that No twit twitters
Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Start Twitter is for like the kind of thing that
Speaker 2: public British public schoolboys might say or their parents might
Speaker 2: say to them. It's a politely but twat is still
Speaker 2: not that bad Like twat is just like that guy's
Speaker 2: a bit I guess it's as similar with jerk, like
Speaker 2: the way you'd call someone a jerk, Okay, we call
Speaker 2: them a twat, yeah right, But that like those those
Speaker 2: kind of words are quite British words. And you like
Speaker 2: British comedy because you like you were saying that you
Speaker 2: really like staff Lets Flats, yes, right, and that's I mean,
Speaker 2: that show is quite a cult show even here, like
Speaker 2: it's quite a niche show here where I mean, where
Speaker 2: have you? Where did you? Is that showing in the
Speaker 2: States or you just found out on lone?
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: Like my friend, my Irish friend who lives in London,
Speaker 1: was like, you have to check out this show, and
Speaker 1: I do, and like we watched the whole like first
Speaker 1: season and then uh and yeah, and then turns out
Speaker 1: that dude Jamie has like been to my shows before.
Speaker 1: So now I'm just like obsessed with it and was like,
Speaker 1: how did I How did I miss out on like
Speaker 1: this entire beautiful universe of comedy And also and it
Speaker 1: like reminds me of stuff over here.
Speaker 3: Do you guys have like Tim and Eric?
Speaker 2: Is that a Comedy Central thing?
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know, I feel like they've
Speaker 1: been on tons of stuff I like originally like on YouTube,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure they had a legit TV show anyway,
Speaker 1: it goes so perfectly with so much of my favorite
Speaker 1: American comedy and it's almost like Curb your Enthusiasm or something,
Speaker 1: just like or or Nathan for you.
Speaker 3: I love that whole genre, like.
Speaker 2: Jamie Dimitri who writes and is and is staff from
Speaker 2: stuff that's fact. Didn't he come? Was it your house
Speaker 2: he came to? Or was it a friend's house?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: My friend brought him to my like birthday hangout without
Speaker 1: telling me, and I had just watched like the night before,
Speaker 1: So that was sweet. I love I love when the
Speaker 1: universe feels small in that way. You know.
Speaker 2: Was he was?
Speaker 1: He?
Speaker 2: Was he cool? Were you cool?
Speaker 1: He literally made me, I mean me and my other
Speaker 1: friends who are listening to him like he he literally
Speaker 1: made me a pee a little bit.
Speaker 3: He was so fucking funny.
Speaker 1: You know, like like I was just like, that's that
Speaker 1: super I'm sure it's so embarrassing and it happens to
Speaker 1: him all the time, but I wanted everybody around to
Speaker 1: like just listen to him talk, right.
Speaker 3: I was pissing myself.
Speaker 2: Did you see Fleabag?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? His his part in Fleaback, although so small,
Speaker 2: is just incredible.
Speaker 3: He's incredible.
Speaker 2: The reveal of his teeth when he's on the bus
Speaker 2: is an amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's just a fucking genius. Yeah, like just
Speaker 1: an honor to share the same name. I will tell
Speaker 1: you something I did not grow up with, which is
Speaker 1: Alan Partridge.
Speaker 2: Did you not do you like it? Now?
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy how huge it is over there and
Speaker 1: how like maybe you'd hear about it in passing over here,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I eat that shit up like that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure tons of comedy that's been inspired by Steve
Speaker 1: Coogan and whatever.
Speaker 3: But like the fact that it's a household.
Speaker 1: Name over there is very weird because yeah, because it
Speaker 1: would crush over here and.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's weird. I never kind of it never reached you, right,
Speaker 2: Like it just has never been shown. It's never made
Speaker 2: it onto TV.
Speaker 1: No. I think I saw it on streaming the other day.
Speaker 1: And I also saw stufflet's flats on like HBO or
Speaker 1: I can't remember what, but but yeah, I was like, finally,
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I fucking love.
Speaker 3: Is this country?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh dude, that made that makes me cry in like
Speaker 1: the just like bent over laughing.
Speaker 2: I'm basically trying to go through things that we've not
Speaker 2: spoken about because it's weird. It's kind of already weird
Speaker 2: that we're having the same conversations twice we just pretended
Speaker 2: we'd never spoken.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but do you know what interviews are? Like?
Speaker 1: I feel like this is fun because it's a conversation,
Speaker 1: but my life is being like, so when did you
Speaker 1: start playing music? I know, and I think at this
Speaker 1: point I have convinced myself that I'm answering it differently
Speaker 1: every single time.
Speaker 2: But do you do you think you do a good
Speaker 2: job of pretending even when it's just the same thing.
Speaker 2: Are you good at styling it out and making it
Speaker 2: seem like you're interested?
Speaker 3: I would like to believe that I'm good at it.
Speaker 1: I have definitely said the exact same anecdote in like
Speaker 1: back to back interviews or something which is kind of humiliating,
Speaker 1: with like the exact same punctuation or like nuance that
Speaker 1: I think I have.
Speaker 3: It's just like a fucking Rolling Stone.
Speaker 1: Interview is exactly the same as my pitchwork interview. But
Speaker 1: you know, I tell the same stupid story about my
Speaker 1: pants falling down somewhere or whatever, and it's just like
Speaker 1: does this person have a personality?
Speaker 3: But my favorite one.
Speaker 1: Ever, because sometimes when you're on press trips it gets
Speaker 1: really gnarly because it's just like over and over and
Speaker 1: over in the same day. My favorite one that happened
Speaker 1: was a Better Oblivion Community Center was doing our press
Speaker 1: trip and we were in an interview where they asked
Speaker 1: us the exact same question that had been asked in
Speaker 1: like every interview.
Speaker 3: I can't even remember it was at this point, but.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, a sort of similar question
Speaker 1: to what they asked earlier in the interview, like how
Speaker 1: did you guys meet or why did you guys decide
Speaker 1: to join a band?
Speaker 3: Or whatever it was?
Speaker 1: And uh, and we've been doing so many that Connor
Speaker 1: literally with the exact same tone answer, like gave the
Speaker 1: same answer that he gave to like two questions before
Speaker 1: in the same interview, like told the same story. It
Speaker 1: just and I was like, this is this is really
Speaker 1: fucking with our brains, Like having to have the same
Speaker 1: conversation you within the conversation, you think it's a new answer.
Speaker 2: From now on. Let's say, right, if I ask you
Speaker 2: anything and you're sick of answering it, just say no, Well,
Speaker 2: hold your hand up, so we're not we're not doing that.
Speaker 2: It's part of the game though, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also, just like.
Speaker 1: I I've always hated the like so much of the
Speaker 1: quote unquote rock star personality is just.
Speaker 3: Being a dick to like people.
Speaker 1: If someone's being a dick to me, I have no
Speaker 1: problem saying, excuse me, but go fuck yourself. Like I've
Speaker 1: I've definitely had some questions where I was like what
Speaker 1: but uh, But if someone's like, especially if it's like
Speaker 1: a younger woman who's very nervous to be interviewing me,
Speaker 1: and they ask questions that someone just asked, it's like,
Speaker 1: just be nice, like this is important. This isn't Like,
Speaker 1: especially if you're touring around like a college or something.
Speaker 1: It's like I know a bunch of musicians that would
Speaker 1: just be like, what the fuck are these questions?
Speaker 3: I'm like, don't.
Speaker 1: This is this person's day right now, is what they
Speaker 1: have to do for their job. Yeah, So I feel
Speaker 1: like being nice is the But I also just trashing
Speaker 1: a hotel room, what is that? Like? You're just making
Speaker 1: someone with a fucking shitty job clean up after you.
Speaker 1: You're not like sticking it to the man. You're sticking
Speaker 1: it to like someone with children.
Speaker 2: Do you think people want to just get home?
Speaker 1: I know people still do that for sure, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean it's just I heard like a story about
Speaker 1: the Replacements like tracking shit into a very fancy party,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, do you think the fancy people had
Speaker 1: to pick that up? Like, no, it was like dog
Speaker 1: shit or something. I was like, that's stupid.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 2: At the top of your Twitter profile, that picture never
Speaker 2: fails to make me laugh, which is like two pictures
Speaker 2: of you holding up Bonivit records. We were a Bonabert
Speaker 2: T shirt and pulled up over your kind of just
Speaker 2: so your face is poking out through.
Speaker 3: The neck hug Cornholio.
Speaker 2: Where was that taken?
Speaker 3: Beavs and Butad.
Speaker 1: I think I was probably seventeen and it was taken
Speaker 1: in my childhood bedroom after a Bona Air show. It
Speaker 1: was for the Yeah, I definitely was seventeen because that's
Speaker 1: when the self titled album came out and I got
Speaker 1: home from that show and took those photos.
Speaker 2: I think it really sums up the experience of being
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old having just listened to a of
Speaker 2: their record you haven't worked with, justin of.
Speaker 3: You I have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sang on on the People record and we
Speaker 1: actually played the Apollo in London. He's the best, and
Speaker 1: I played his festival in Euclaire. Yeah, he's so cool.
Speaker 2: In those moments, do you do you think back to
Speaker 2: the seventeen year old who had that? Do you think
Speaker 2: back to that photo?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I love I love that feeling.
Speaker 1: I also just like, you know, normalizing being a super fan,
Speaker 1: because I think it's uh.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think my new my New Year's resolution this year,
Speaker 1: which I think I've stuck to, is just like be
Speaker 1: honest with people and and be.
Speaker 3: Be yourself.
Speaker 1: No, but seriously, just like there's nothing more fun than
Speaker 1: than working with somebody and then getting to tell them
Speaker 1: after where it's like, dude, I seriously saw every LA
Speaker 1: show that you played. I wrote Bonnie verir lyrics like
Speaker 1: on my guitar case when I was fucking fifteen dumb.
Speaker 2: Do they tend to take that like like, I think
Speaker 2: that's really nice that you do that. I think that's
Speaker 2: like I would like to do that. This kind of
Speaker 2: comes back to this thing of like being like a
Speaker 2: journalist quote unquote. I use that term on myself very
Speaker 2: loosely but I feel like I can never say that
Speaker 2: to somebody. I can never say, by the way, even
Speaker 2: at the end, I can't say, by the way, I'm
Speaker 2: such a big fan of yours, it really means a lot.
Speaker 2: I feel like they're gonna think I'm lying because I'm
Speaker 2: an evil journalist now right, But I think I guess
Speaker 2: as a as a fellow artist, it's maybe a bit
Speaker 2: easier for you to say, hey, by the way, this
Speaker 2: means everything to me, and for them to not cringe
Speaker 2: themselves inside out and be sick on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, also, do I just love that shit?
Speaker 1: When it is genuine, I'm not gonna I definitely have
Speaker 1: heard it from people where I'm like no, or or
Speaker 1: my favorite is when people.
Speaker 3: Are like my girlfriend loves your music, like cool, yeah,
Speaker 3: like why am I talking to you that?
Speaker 1: Or like I can't wait till like until I start
Speaker 1: getting my mom loves your music, or and shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, when it feels genuine and that's my
Speaker 1: that's there's like my favorite interactions with people because I
Speaker 1: have crazy imposter syndrome and I'm I'm just like, does
Speaker 1: anybody actually like.
Speaker 3: Me at all?
Speaker 1: So so it's nice when somebody's like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: this is really fucking cool or whatever, like those are
Speaker 1: normal interactions. But I know for a fact I've definitely
Speaker 1: punished people before. But but yeah, it's for the most part,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just fucking music.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: All you're saying is your music excites me and I
Speaker 1: like it. That's a great thing.
Speaker 2: That's the worst thing to say. Yeah, exactly. So here's
Speaker 2: one thing. Here's a thing that I thought we could
Speaker 2: do to make sure that this will definitely mean that
Speaker 2: we don't repeat ourselves before. We used to do this
Speaker 2: feature in our magazine. We don't do it anymore, but
Speaker 2: it's called it was called getting to Know You, and
Speaker 2: we'd send a set of questions to an artist. I'd
Speaker 2: be the same questions every I basically stole this idea
Speaker 2: from Vanity Fair. Okay, we just called it something different,
Speaker 2: but it's the same questions. We'd email them to an
Speaker 2: artist and that's filled them out and send them back
Speaker 2: like a questionnaire. Do you want to do some of them?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, the worst job you've had. By the way, these
Speaker 2: are probably all questions that you have been asked about
Speaker 2: a thousand times. I've just realized that in saying that
Speaker 2: out loud.
Speaker 3: But but I have an interesting answer.
Speaker 1: I have really never held a job, okay, except for weird,
Speaker 1: odd jobs. Like basically, when I graduated high school, I
Speaker 1: got cast in a commercial like almost immediately, which was
Speaker 1: incredible because then I got to because I was looking
Speaker 1: for jobs and.
Speaker 3: Apple, what yeah, you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna say like it was a local chop.
Speaker 1: Totally, no, I mean, this is the fucking weird dystopian
Speaker 1: whatever that is Los Angeles. But I was playing in
Speaker 1: bass in a punk band and somebody came up to
Speaker 1: me and was like, we do audition for this commercial
Speaker 1: and I was like, huh, you know, I mean sure, whatever,
Speaker 1: and then turns out it's like super super legit and
Speaker 1: we got it and we did it, which basically paid
Speaker 1: for me to live while making my first record, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't sign until you know, my parents don't have money,
Speaker 1: and again I didn't have a fucking job.
Speaker 3: So it was amazing.
Speaker 1: That was all.
Speaker 3: So that was definitely not the worst job I've ever had,
Speaker 3: because it was like, that's the best job it was,
Speaker 3: So it was the best job.
Speaker 2: That's better than this job? Did you totally did you
Speaker 2: have to? So in the ad it's like a TV ad. Right, yeah,
Speaker 2: did you what were what were you doing when you
Speaker 2: were playing in the back?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we played and sang a Pixie song into an iPhone.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was sick.
Speaker 1: And and then I was like, because I think some
Speaker 1: of the instruments had been pre recorded, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sure this is like, I'm sure this is uh
Speaker 1: just like some session dudes like, but they're trying to
Speaker 1: make it look like it's teenage girls. Like that's kind
Speaker 1: of shitty, but whatever. And then I met the session
Speaker 1: players and they were all women.
Speaker 3: So it was sick. But anyway, so that was great.
Speaker 1: But before that, I would busk in high school for
Speaker 1: money every weekend.
Speaker 2: This is in the market, right, yeah, like in.
Speaker 3: The arms market.
Speaker 1: I would play my guitar and put put out my
Speaker 1: guitar case and people would throw money in there.
Speaker 3: And some of it was so great.
Speaker 1: Some of it was super fun and like little kids
Speaker 1: would dance and I would try not to sing any
Speaker 1: fucked up songs or curse because I just knew like
Speaker 1: kind of an endless amount of covers and then it
Speaker 1: but but then it was also horrible, like the things
Speaker 1: that people think that they can say to you when
Speaker 1: you're standing on the street playing for free, are like
Speaker 1: insane and you just have to be kind of like
Speaker 1: nice to everybody, and you're stuck there and you're gonna,
Speaker 1: i mean just like I don't know, like grabbing at
Speaker 1: me or like standing really close behind me, like giving
Speaker 1: me advice about music. Yeah, it's just like an invitation
Speaker 1: for older men to be like heinous to you.
Speaker 2: Have you have you been asked that question about how
Speaker 2: million times?
Speaker 3: I think so?
Speaker 1: And I'm always embarrassed to be like, I never clean
Speaker 1: bathrooms or whatever. I think that's kind of rite of passage.
Speaker 1: But but yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm going to skip the next one because you definitely
Speaker 2: would have been asked that. I'm gonna ask you, what
Speaker 2: was your first big extravagance.
Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: I think my mom got This doesn't really count because
Speaker 1: I asked for Fioran Tinian Baker boots for Christmas, which
Speaker 1: are fucking expensive, and my mom fucking got them for
Speaker 1: me for Christmas.
Speaker 3: She was kind of the queen of an amazing gift.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that.
Speaker 1: Was definitely the first extravagant thing in my life and
Speaker 1: I wore them to shit. I still have them, but
Speaker 1: they're like they make this horrifying sound. I was probably
Speaker 1: like fourteen when I got those, which is insane. Why
Speaker 1: would you get a fourteen year old expensive boots?
Speaker 2: But your moment is coming out of this podcast extremely
Speaker 2: well as the hero sheez. This is kind of a
Speaker 2: podcast for her now. Really she's hijacked it without even
Speaker 2: being here.
Speaker 1: But I saw Patti Smith and she was wearing them,
Speaker 1: and I was like, those are mine. Now, Sorry, everyone,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to rest until I give my hands
Speaker 1: on those.
Speaker 3: And then I got them for Christmas.
Speaker 2: Since you've become a millionaire rock star, what was have
Speaker 2: you bought anything? Have you? I mean, are you good
Speaker 2: at spending money? Do you? Are you a saver or
Speaker 2: you a spender?
Speaker 1: I'm a spender. I don't have that much overhead, Like
Speaker 1: I don't have very many expenses, especially in a pandemic
Speaker 1: year where I am lucky enough. I mean, I definitely
Speaker 1: would be making way more money if I were on tour,
Speaker 1: but I'm lucky enough to have at least some semblance
Speaker 1: of a job, and so I've definitely like woken up
Speaker 1: at three am and bought something super weird online. And
Speaker 1: in normal times, I like adventures, you know, like I'll
Speaker 1: go to a fancy hotel with all my friends and
Speaker 1: spend trash it is hanging out, yeah, and and and
Speaker 1: then make the bed when I'm leaving you. No, but
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I love spending money. It's it's it makes
Speaker 1: me feel good. I'm staring at like one of those
Speaker 1: dip teak candles right now. I feel like the amount
Speaker 1: of times I just am sad and I just buy
Speaker 1: dipteek candles online and then have them shipped to me
Speaker 1: and I forget, and then three days later I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I bought me a present.
Speaker 2: You know, those candles are kind of the height of
Speaker 2: extravagance in a way.
Speaker 3: Seriously, seriously.
Speaker 1: I also there was a tweet once that was like
Speaker 1: a mom, who's coming over tonight me and then it
Speaker 1: was a picture of one of their candles that's called
Speaker 1: few to boys. That kind of crush.
Speaker 2: Okay, next question the who would play you in a
Speaker 2: film of your life?
Speaker 3: Breelsen?
Speaker 2: Done right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean the amount of times that I get tagged
Speaker 1: in like Breelarson photos where she kind of looks like me.
Speaker 2: Is like that's that's good though, right, That's like it's good.
Speaker 1: She's hot or same with Michelle Williams. People I get
Speaker 1: Michelle Williams. Sometimes I'm like, I'll take it hot. Hot
Speaker 1: leads with awards.
Speaker 2: This is a happy one. How would you choose to die?
Speaker 1: Mm?
Speaker 3: Not knowing? Yeah, that's want someone to shoot me in
Speaker 3: the back of the head.
Speaker 2: That is that is exactly mine? Sniper.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yes, because totally it's the I.
Speaker 2: Just even if it happened right now while we were
Speaker 2: on this, I would never know who cares it would
Speaker 2: it would never have been a concern of mine at
Speaker 2: any point.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad we're on the same page on that one.
Speaker 1: Don't know how many indie rock snipers are out there,
Speaker 1: but just so you know, I'm hiring you in I
Speaker 1: don't know in.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go there.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, yeah, if I have some
Speaker 1: sort of eternal illness, just like fucking I want it
Speaker 1: back in the head.
Speaker 2: What would you tell your fifteen year old self?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is so funny because I did
Speaker 1: not fifteen year old self. That's a slightly different question,
Speaker 1: but I got this question sort of a while ago
Speaker 1: where it was like, what would you tell your younger self?
Speaker 1: And I went on this huge grant about how I
Speaker 1: would tell myself that, like all men are pigs and that,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, I would tell myself which
Speaker 1: is true. I would tell myself like if someone, if
Speaker 1: an older man is like producing you or trying to
Speaker 1: sign you or do something for you, just know that
Speaker 1: you are why they are cool and they are trying
Speaker 1: to be cool with association to you. They are not
Speaker 1: cool because they fucking produced the Goo Goo dolls like
Speaker 1: before you were fucking born. Like that doesn't matter, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like they are trying that's the
Speaker 1: Google dolls.
Speaker 3: They haven't done.
Speaker 1: Shit is so long, Like just just know that, like
Speaker 1: you are their next grasping at relevance and you have
Speaker 1: all the control, even though they are trying to make
Speaker 1: you feel like they have all the control and they're
Speaker 1: doing you an enormous favor. You being in the room
Speaker 1: is the only reason that anybody gives a shit about
Speaker 1: the room.
Speaker 3: So uh, I went on that big rant.
Speaker 1: And then my very sweet and older male producer who
Speaker 1: I continue to work with uh and refuse to do
Speaker 1: any projects without.
Speaker 3: His name's Tony Berg. He's a fucking legend.
Speaker 1: But he sent me a strange shot of it and
Speaker 1: was basically like what the fuck? I was like, I
Speaker 1: am definitely not talking about you, Like these are people
Speaker 1: that I like met once and then blew off, or
Speaker 1: people who sent me a shitty record contract when I
Speaker 1: was like eighteen and is not the person who I
Speaker 1: like beg to work with every time I get offered
Speaker 1: any sort of project. But he sent me like like
Speaker 1: me and quotes. So I got kind of in trouble.
Speaker 2: For Has he produced the Dolfs as well?
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, god, I hope not.
Speaker 1: If he had, I would it would be so so funny.
Speaker 1: But I mean I wouldn't put it past them because
Speaker 1: he he's been in music forever and he also like
Speaker 1: ran Geffen Records forever, and he's worked with all kinds
Speaker 1: of funny people. But I think of him mostly as
Speaker 1: a producer.
Speaker 3: But that killed me.
Speaker 1: Like that he's like reading my interviews in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night for one, but two is like reading
Speaker 1: into this rant I went on about people I don't
Speaker 1: know anymore. Yeah, it was so funny.
Speaker 2: I think that's that is great advice for your youngest self.
Speaker 2: I mean, that does prove the fact that you have
Speaker 2: asked that already totally proves my point. There's no original question,
Speaker 2: is there? Had you been asked how sometimes how you
Speaker 2: choose to die before?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 2: Was it original? Right?
Speaker 3: I don't think so that was original.
Speaker 1: But sometimes when people try to get too fancy, when
Speaker 1: people try to get too fancy or like heady with questions,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean the true I feel like, if
Speaker 1: I were a journalist would be like, well, what do I.
Speaker 3: Actually want to know about?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And if it's like the same question, if.
Speaker 1: It's googleable whatever, But like if if you're curious about something,
Speaker 1: it's like who gives a shit?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: But sometimes I do get like grad students who are like, so,
Speaker 1: you know, the imagery of the Pelicans circling is an
Speaker 1: ancient Mayan thing about death or what.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, so should we do the Einstein's Dirty
Speaker 2: Secret stuff? Or are you sick of that?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: Right? I mean, I mean I've basically forgotten to segue
Speaker 2: into it. I was going to say the fifteen thing,
Speaker 2: we were going to talk about that, and then I
Speaker 2: was going to segue into that.
Speaker 1: Well, my first band was called Phoebe and the He
Speaker 1: Man He That's a name which is a great name,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and then I had Einstein's Dirty Secret,
Speaker 1: which I'm still friends with, like all those dudes they
Speaker 1: play and like, yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: That is something we did talk about before because I
Speaker 2: had watched the live stuff. There's one live show that's
Speaker 2: on YouTube of you playing in that band when you're
Speaker 2: about seventeen, right, and you'll look kind of have like
Speaker 2: some real panic at the disco hair going on. The
Speaker 2: guys and yourself, Oh you all look great. You're wearing
Speaker 2: really good suits. It's strong. I think I'm not just
Speaker 2: saying that. I thought it was good. But what I
Speaker 2: didn't realize was you because obviously Julian Baker is a
Speaker 2: close friend of yours and you're in Boy Genius with
Speaker 2: her and all of that stuff. But I didn't realize
Speaker 2: it was her going on tour with her that made
Speaker 2: you realize, actually, that's the type of music I want
Speaker 2: to make.
Speaker 3: Totally. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: I think I sang really loud for a long time,
Speaker 1: which is funny because then I feel like I totally
Speaker 1: revolted from that and there's no loud singing whatsoever on
Speaker 1: my first record because I was like on and off
Speaker 1: tour with Julian and I just was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is the most powerful music I've ever heard. But it
Speaker 1: was almost like musical theater when I was seventeen, you know,
Speaker 1: like Panic at the disco musical theater.
Speaker 2: So when you went on that tour with that first
Speaker 2: tour with Julian, were you on that tour doing like
Speaker 2: the panic at the disco stuff?
Speaker 3: No, no, I was.
Speaker 1: I was on tour with my drummer Marshall and just
Speaker 1: me right and we were like, you know, it was
Speaker 1: crazy to even have drums.
Speaker 3: Opening for Julian because she was totally solo.
Speaker 1: So I was pretty much like writing my first record,
Speaker 1: like all the good songs for my first record I
Speaker 1: wrote on that tour, which is crazy in retrospect because
Speaker 1: I was playing a full set of like my okay
Speaker 1: songs and then I feel like I heard Julian and
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that's that's what I do now.
Speaker 2: Your first album was it was its birthday this week
Speaker 2: about three days ago. Yes, three years ago. The world
Speaker 2: has imploded since then. What was the day like it
Speaker 2: came out? Can you remember what it was like?
Speaker 1: You know? I think I was on tour with Connor
Speaker 1: Overst and it's funny because I told him the other day.
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, my first record came out three
Speaker 1: years ago. Fucking crazy is that because he met me
Speaker 1: way before that, because I was going to mix with
Speaker 1: Mike Mogus and that's how we met Who's in Bright Eyes.
Speaker 1: And he was like, that's so crazy because it was
Speaker 1: he had been listening to it for like a year
Speaker 1: before it came out.
Speaker 3: And he helped me sequence it.
Speaker 1: And it just just the fact that my life is
Speaker 1: so different. I had this feeling before my first record,
Speaker 1: or I really wanted it to be true, Like in
Speaker 1: my darkest, most secret moments, was like, I think my
Speaker 1: life is going to start if I can just have
Speaker 1: an album, because I really want to be a musician.
Speaker 1: But like I have this fucking seven inch with three
Speaker 1: songs on it. Nobody knows what my music sounds like.
Speaker 1: I barely know what it sounds like.
Speaker 3: I just need a record so that if someone asked.
Speaker 1: Me what I do, I don't have to like send
Speaker 1: them my SoundCloud demos or like try to explain it.
Speaker 1: I can just show them this record. And that is
Speaker 1: absolutely true. Like I feel like my life started. I
Speaker 1: started doing what I wanted. I stopped having to explain myself.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It was kind of a slow burn too, Like the
Speaker 1: label was like, we look at first week album sales
Speaker 1: and we all like laugh at it.
Speaker 3: So like nobody listened to.
Speaker 2: Your fucking record, and were you tell the number?
Speaker 1: I wasn't told the number, but they were laughing when
Speaker 1: they told me about the number. So so yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've played like a hundred cap show in London.
Speaker 3: It just it's been great.
Speaker 1: It's been fucking great, Like it makes me super happy
Speaker 1: and just yeah, like everything I thought about it was true,
Speaker 1: which is I got to do what I wanted. After that,
Speaker 1: I got to make a band of my favorite people
Speaker 1: and touring and then and then I feel like this
Speaker 1: record is even better because I got way more comfortable.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so highly recommend makes you feel good about yourself.
Speaker 2: Put out a record for a record, Wait three years,
Speaker 2: it will all be fine, exactly. I like the fact
Speaker 2: that your label probably I'm guessing they told you that
Speaker 2: they were laughing at those first week numbers. Well do
Speaker 2: they tell you that fairly recently or certainly yes, quite
Speaker 2: far after the fact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet they were crying at the time.
Speaker 2: They were like, it's fine for them to tell you now, right,
Speaker 2: but totally at the time they were worried there were
Speaker 2: meetings about you. There would have been meetings about you,
Speaker 2: and yes, like, what are we going to do here?
Speaker 3: What should we do about her?
Speaker 2: I'm conscious of the fact that what that we're only recorded,
Speaker 2: we're recording this for a second time anyway, and you've
Speaker 2: got things to do, So I'm going to let you go.
Speaker 2: I was going to I don't think we're gonna we
Speaker 2: probably don't have time. But we were talking about us
Speaker 2: both being Leo's before because you just had your birthday
Speaker 2: and I just had my birthday. What was the name
Speaker 2: of the You told me about an app that can
Speaker 2: basically it's called Coastar.
Speaker 3: It's the best coast.
Speaker 2: Because I have found out the time I was born.
Speaker 3: Oh cool, you should go.
Speaker 2: Why did I need? What was the thing I needed
Speaker 2: for that? For? What did that? What was that going
Speaker 2: to tell me?
Speaker 1: It'll tell you your chart and it'll give you very
Speaker 1: bitchy notifications every day, like, let me tell you what
Speaker 1: my chart says today.
Speaker 3: Let's see. Come on.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, my I'm Leo Capricorn moon, I he's rising.
Speaker 3: What does it say today? Updates.
Speaker 1: You can't be everything for everyone. That's what mine says
Speaker 1: today Today, I feel out of control, sick. That's great news.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, but it's really cute and it looks kind
Speaker 1: of like a zine.
Speaker 2: Wow that okay, I can see that.
Speaker 1: It's very fun and uh and you can see your
Speaker 1: friends that you match with. I'm actually a perfect match
Speaker 1: with my sound guy.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, maybe we'll get married one day. Like
Speaker 1: that'll be like the story of like, do you know
Speaker 1: she's married to her sound guy.
Speaker 2: He's a catch, He's a babe.
Speaker 1: His name is Morgan. Yeah, I'm gonna lock it in.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we literally have nothing, uh in common. We
Speaker 1: have everything in common common. There is no section on
Speaker 1: here that is dissimilar from each other. We're like the
Speaker 1: same person.
Speaker 2: It's like marrying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish I would love to do because I'm
Speaker 3: a fucking.
Speaker 2: Well absolutely amen, Amen to that. Well, thanks for thanks
Speaker 2: for take two. I think it was good. I think
Speaker 2: it's good. I've been shaking that, I've been recording and
Speaker 2: hell yeah, and I just wanted to say that my
Speaker 2: girlfriend really loves your music.
Speaker 3: Well tell her I love it and I'll be over
Speaker 3: later tonight.
Speaker 2: That was such a terrible choke. I'm sorry for ending,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for ending on that good anyway, good night,