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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to The Philly Show with Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salidberry.

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Speaker 2: I am Todd so lucky. It's Friday, May seventeenth, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. The Phillies won three of four in a

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Speaker 2: rare home and home series against the Mets. They lost

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Speaker 2: Thursday night in eleven innings. They still have the best

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Speaker 2: record in baseball. Before we get going, guys, I wanted

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Speaker 2: to announce that The Phillies Nation TV Show debuts on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: and Sam Stafford. They're gonna have special guests throughout the year,

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Speaker 2: So you like the podcast, If you want more Phillies,

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Speaker 2: check out The Phillies Nation TV Show. Let's jump into

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Speaker 2: a couple of injuries before we get into listener questions.

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Speaker 2: We asked people last night to submit some listener questions.

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Speaker 2: We got a bunch we didn't get. We're not going

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Speaker 2: to get to them all, but we got some good ones.

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Speaker 2: So Taiwan Walker takes a line drive or he takes

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Speaker 2: a ball off his left big toe X rays our negative.

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Speaker 1: It's his landing foot.

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Speaker 2: Explain how concerning this might be, you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: if he can't if he can't go.

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Speaker 3: Well, he had to come out of the game, so

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Speaker 3: that's concern right there. But afterwards both he and Rob

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Speaker 3: Thompson kind of downplayed it a little bit. I'm sure,

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Speaker 3: excuse me, I'm sure Taiwan Walker will be champing at

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Speaker 3: the bit to get back out there because there's a

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Speaker 3: guy kind of nipping at his heels in Spencer Turnbull,

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Speaker 3: who you know. I think they've succeeded in keeping him

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Speaker 3: mostly stretched innings the other night on what Wednesday night,

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Speaker 3: So if Taiwan Walker can't go, his next turn Turnbook

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Speaker 3: will slide in there. But with an off day on Monday,

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Speaker 3: they could also skip that spot, giving Walker a little

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Speaker 3: handle this depending on the severity. I don't think it's severe.

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Speaker 3: But as we've talked about Rubin and Todd, I mean something,

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Speaker 3: you know that we were talking about six pictures for

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Speaker 3: something will manifest itself, something will present itself where that

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Speaker 3: extra guy will indeed find himself getting plenty of work.

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Speaker 3: And you know, this could be that situation coming about

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Speaker 3: right before our eyes.

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Speaker 4: And we had the most durable five man rotation through

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Speaker 4: like seven through through twenty eleven. I mean, these guys

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Speaker 4: posted all the time, and we still had depth problems.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you can absolutely never have enough starting pitching.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna have to have eight or ten guys at

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Speaker 4: start a baseball game. So, you know, I think time

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Speaker 4: wa Walker is a pretty tough guy. When he first

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Speaker 4: got hit, I thought maybe it was just a glancing,

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Speaker 4: glancing blow. But but you know, it's one of those

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Speaker 4: things where when you first get hit, it sort of

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Speaker 4: pretty obvious that that he got poked pretty pretty uh

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Speaker 4: this game. This guy's a competitor, man. I like. I

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Speaker 4: like the way he goes about his business. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you could say what you want about Taiwan Walker that

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Speaker 4: you know, he's he's you know, he's the IRA's high

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Speaker 4: and this, that and the other. Well, uh, he wants

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Speaker 4: is not gonna want to miss any starts. He's gonna

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Speaker 4: One pride, too, because he's a good teammate, and three

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Speaker 4: because he wants he wants to win. I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: the guy who wants to I love guys who want

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Speaker 4: the baseball. And you know there's an issue about him,

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Speaker 4: you know, him getting upset about not pitching in the

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Speaker 4: playoffs last year. Well guess what I like that. I

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Speaker 4: that's exactly what you want in uh, in your starters

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Speaker 4: One of the most important parts of being a champion

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Speaker 3: So you guys, show me. I'm just gonna say, show

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Speaker 3: me a guy who's happy to be sidelines, and I

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, great point.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys surprised that Trey Turner is already out

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Speaker 2: jogging taking ground balls. I've never blown out a hammy, Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: No, this is before I started covering the games.

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Speaker 3: God. So I'll tell you this quick story. It was

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Speaker 4: Yes, I had a lot to do with that putting

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Speaker 3: So the old stuff was this matted down concrete astro

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Speaker 4: He was pretty And let me just say this, I

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Speaker 4: He is well, I mean, Neil, we could talk about

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Speaker 3: Well that was before I put on fifty pounds and

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Speaker 3: I'm kidding. But anyway, so anyway, it takes him at

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Speaker 3: what the hell happened to you? The old trainer? And

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Speaker 3: I said, I think I pulled my hamstring. He goes,

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Speaker 3: you did more than pull it. You tore that thing,

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Speaker 3: so they hurt. But anyway, this is about Trey Turner.

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Speaker 3: He seems to be he seems to be coming along quick.

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Speaker 4: No, no question. And listen, I pulled hamstrings not often,

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Speaker 4: when you're younger yourselves, you know, replicate quicker, you get

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Speaker 4: back quicker. Your your body recovers much better. And clearly

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Speaker 4: he's recovering much better than than than we would. But

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Speaker 4: it just I just pulled my hamstring playing pick a

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Speaker 4: court again. Kind of sad, but we saw one.

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Speaker 3: We saw one get pulled off the bone. Todd in Milwaukee,

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Speaker 3: remember with Charlie Morton. Oh yeah, oh my gosh, I

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Speaker 3: mean you talk about going down. Yeah, and he he

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Speaker 3: pulled the ham. He missed the whole season. He had

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Speaker 3: to have it surgically and reattached. Yeah, and he's come

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Speaker 3: back to pitches pretty well, but tough injury, Thank goodness,

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Speaker 3: Trey Turner's because he's so important. Thank goodness, wasn't uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, serious, because he's out, like you said, taking

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Speaker 3: kind of is wearing the body language to me of

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Speaker 3: a guy who thinks he's going to be back sooner

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Speaker 3: then later. Now, I know they've built up a cushion,

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Speaker 3: but I still get the feeling he might be ahead

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Speaker 4: You got an MVP player sitting on the bench. Man.

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Speaker 4: I picked this guy to be the MVP, and he

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Speaker 4: has MVP type talent, and so when you're missing a

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Speaker 4: guy like that, that's huge and you don't want to

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Speaker 4: my concern is that speed is so much of a

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Speaker 1: So let's hear. So we got some reader questions.

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Speaker 2: This one, this first one isn't a reader question, but

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Speaker 2: I stumbled upon it last night. I was going through

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Speaker 2: I sent some time over the last week.

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Speaker 2: Idea of some of the messages I get. This is This

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Speaker 1: Parsing some of it down here.

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Speaker 2: Dude, you're writing is getting awful again. Why don't you

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Speaker 2: really analyze, really analyze castianos in Schwarber's numbers. This is

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Speaker 2: from a guy named Lee, And the only thing I

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Speaker 2: Phillies are thirty one and fourteen, Bro, they're six eighty nine. Oh,

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Speaker 2: winning percentage is on pace for one hundred and twelve games.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber's hitting the ball, okay, the last seventeen games.

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Speaker 1: Nick Castianis has picked it up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I think now.

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Speaker 2: I started actually, in all seriousness, I tried to think

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Speaker 2: what this guy was referring to. And the only thing

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Speaker 2: I can think I can think of is Wednesday's Phillies

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Speaker 2: Beat newsletter. I wrote a little bit about Kyle Schwarber's

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Speaker 2: bat speed, and now he's got the third fastest bat

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Speaker 2: speed in baseball, which I thought doesn't mean anybody is

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Speaker 2: it was interesting because I always said to myself, man,

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Speaker 2: I bet you this guy. I can't think of too

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Speaker 2: many players in baseball that actually swing the bat faster

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Speaker 1: And I just thought it was.

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Speaker 2: Kind of cool that this new metrics showed that the

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Speaker 2: eye test matched the actual data.

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Speaker 4: So well, imagine that. Imagine that, imagine the eye test

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Speaker 1: And I test, you know, I tests, I test, Yeah.

434
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Speaker 3: I test tells me they're a good team. I'm not

435
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,199
Speaker 3: certainly not diminishing what they no, no, no, I've done. I

436
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 3: am a believer. But it just wow to all know

437
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 3: that it's only Atlanta. They've only Atlanta currently has a

438
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 3: winning record of the teams they've played, so only three

439
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Speaker 3: games so far, as we saiding against teams with a

440
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Speaker 3: winning record.

441
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Speaker 4: So you talked to so Todd, you you actually talked

442
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Speaker 4: a little bit about about what stat to me, the

443
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 4: one individual stat that kind of surprises me a little

444
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 4: bit compared to where we were last year. And there's

445
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 4: a lot of talk about our swings and misses that

446
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 4: are on base percentage is actually really good? Are on

447
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 4: base percentage is like two or three in all of baseball.

448
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Speaker 4: I think it's like three thirty seven or three forty

449
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: or something like that. That on base percentage compared to

450
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Speaker 4: the rest of the league. I think it's number two

451
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 4: or three. And I think it's a product of the

452
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 4: guys trusting more, trusting the guy behind him and not

453
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 4: feeling like, hey, I got to get this job done.

454
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Speaker 4: And I think we've talked about this before, and it

455
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Speaker 4: happened a lot late in twenty twenty two where guys

456
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Speaker 4: just sort of passed the baton, and I think that's

457
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 4: sort of what's happening now. Guys are trusting these young

458
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 4: guys in the depth of the lineup, the stocks and

459
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 4: the bones and the guys deeper in the lineup, you know,

460
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 4: even the Marshes of the world. Who's who's sort of

461
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 4: tailed off here a little bit lately. But I think

462
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 4: that that's part of it, and the fact that they're

463
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 4: getting on base and kind of creating opportunities every single inning.

464
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Speaker 2: Almost Jim Alec Bohm this season runners in scoring position

465
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Speaker 2: batting four hundred one point one three five ops in

466
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Speaker 2: his career wow, three twenty four eight to eleven ops.

467
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Speaker 1: So there you go. That's the guy that just loves

468
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Speaker 1: those situations.

469
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Speaker 3: Are you You gotta stat that jumps out Todds.

470
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Speaker 2: I do well. I had the benefit of kind of

471
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Speaker 2: looking this up ahead of time, but it kind of

472
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: dovetails into what Rubin was just talking about. Everybody again

473
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Speaker 2: talking about the rotation, the rotation of the rotation entering

474
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Speaker 2: last Night's game runs per game, because you know runs

475
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: teams play have played different amount of number of games

476
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 2: and whatnot, so the overall runs are a little bit deceptive.

477
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: Phillies and Dodgers tied in Major League Baseball with the

478
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Speaker 2: most runs per game five point twenty seven runs per game.

479
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Speaker 2: So this is an offense that I feel like hasn't

480
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: totally gotten going in a sense. You know, they're playing

481
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: without Turner. You haven't gotten a good Nick Castianos. Schwarber

482
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: has even hit the June Schwarberfest. Yet Harper's been Harper's

483
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: been good, He's hit a ton of home runs, but

484
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 2: he hasn't been MVP Bryce Harper, and you know, you

485
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Speaker 2: assume that eventually that's.

486
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Speaker 1: Going to show up.

487
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Speaker 2: So they not only have great starting pitching, but they

488
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 2: have based off of runs per game, that matters right

489
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: with the Dodgers for the best offense in baseball.

490
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Speaker 4: So they're showing to me, they're showing me they're the

491
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Speaker 4: most complete game team in the game. They to me

492
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 4: they're the most complete team when you start looking about,

493
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Speaker 4: you know, and you start ranking all the things that

494
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Speaker 4: they can do.

495
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Speaker 2: So Rubin, you mentioned marsh kind of cooling off and

496
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Speaker 2: I thought this is an interesting question because I've heard

497
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Speaker 2: this a lot and we have not talked about it

498
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Speaker 2: on the show. This is from I can't even pronounce

499
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Speaker 2: this handle on Instagram T d Mark twenty four. Do

500
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Speaker 2: you think benching Marsh and Stott regularly against lefties is

501
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Speaker 2: bad for their development?

502
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's one of the reasons why it's

503
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Speaker 4: I think it's one of the reasons why they will

504
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 4: not stop. In his situation, I mean, he's been swinging

505
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: the bat. He has been phenomenal really using his hands.

506
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 4: He's not working underneath the baseball anymore, using his top

507
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 4: hand much better. His hands have just been fantastic. I

508
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 4: think in Brandon Marsh's case, yes, I would like to

509
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 4: see him play more. I know what, I know what

510
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 4: Rob Thompson's doing. He's got to get with Maryfield in there.

511
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 4: I think he wants to flip you know, Pache in

512
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 4: there a few times. But I think that there's going

513
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: to come a point where, and I think Rob Thompson

514
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 4: has some cushion. I think it's going to come to

515
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 4: a point where in June, late June, whatever you got

516
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 4: you gotta put run out like the same nine guys

517
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Speaker 4: for a while and just let go. And I think

518
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 4: at that point, and I think that's one of the

519
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 4: reasons maybe why the way marsh Is is kind of

520
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 4: slowed up a little bit because he he hasn't played

521
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 4: six or seven games in a row for a while,

522
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Speaker 4: and and I think that's affecting him a little bit

523
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Speaker 4: because he's a pretty good hitter. Man, He's a really

524
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 4: good hitter. He's gotten much better. Is he a finished product,

525
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 4: maybe not, but he's he's better than what he has

526
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Speaker 4: been over the last several, you know, two or three weeks.

527
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. You know, if you're not seeing lefties,

528
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: you're not going to get better against him. So, you know,

529
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Speaker 3: I do think sitting marsh against when lefty pitches is

530
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 3: probably hurting his development just because he's not getting those

531
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: valuable reps and getting that opportunity to improve against them.

532
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 3: But they're kind of rocking a hard place. They're here

533
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: to win ball games, they're here to win a World Series,

534
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: they're here to win a division so they can get

535
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 3: that better seating. And you've got to play the guys

536
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 3: who are producing in those situations. And Thompson has you know,

537
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: is responsible for looking at all twenty six men, keeping

538
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 3: all twenty six men sharp and trying to get that

539
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 3: team ready to play in the meat grinder of September

540
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: and October. And this is the way he feels best

541
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: about it. So it's a catch twenty two. You want

542
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 3: to see the guy develop against lefties. To me, Stop

543
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: should be playing every day right or left. But you

544
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: want to see Marsh develop against lefties. But you also

545
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: need to win these ball games. You need to keep

546
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: guys fresh and sharp. And it's easy being a big

547
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 3: league manager. But if you know, Marsh could solve the

548
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 3: problem by hitting lefties better. But right now, it's just

549
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: the way that Thompson is juggling.

550
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 2: These balls well, Like, is Marsh showing enough I guess

551
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: against lefties?

552
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: Like again, I looked this up last night.

553
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: Batting one to eighteen this season, seventeen strikeouts and thirty

554
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: four at bats against against lefties this year. Now, I think,

555
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: isn't the problem kind of compounded by the factor the

556
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: issue kind of stands out more because Mirifield really hasn't

557
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: gotten going. He was supposed to be the guy that

558
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: would slide in there and produce. He had a little

559
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 2: decent little stretch. I think he's got like, he's got

560
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: like two hits in his last twenty eight at bats.

561
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: He's not really producing offensively, so you're not getting much

562
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: from him. So I think the cries for more Brandon

563
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: marsh are, it's understandable, but Mark, but Scott, for sure,

564
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: I think he's going to start getting in there a

565
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: lot more against lefties. He's actually played pretty well against

566
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Speaker 2: lefties this season, and I just think that he needs

567
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: to be an everyday player. And I think once Turner

568
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: comes back, you're going to see him out there a

569
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: heck of a lot, a heck of a lot more.

570
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Speaker 4: That's a difficulty of what Rob Thompson has to deal with.

571
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Speaker 4: I mean as to try to you know, does he

572
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 4: does he give that guy more at bats? You know

573
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 4: witt Maryfield more at bats? Does he? Because he's got

574
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Speaker 4: to get him going too. At some point they may

575
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: very well need him, just like they need him right

576
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: now because they got Turner out. I mean, so these guys,

577
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: it's a tough juggling act, as you said.

578
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Speaker 3: As you said, James Rubin, if you were the GM,

579
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Speaker 3: would you go downstairs and say you know or do

580
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: gms typically do that? I'm sure in your career. You

581
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: probably have like, how we balance balancing this guy's development.

582
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Speaker 3: I mean, we gave up a good prospect for him,

583
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: a premium position. We need develop him. He's still young.

584
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: But how do you balance that with you know, we

585
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 3: got a humongo payroll and a ticking oh dometer on

586
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: our nucleus and we need to win soon. How do

587
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: you balance all that?

588
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, so typically I would go down and talk with

589
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: Charlie about it. I always believe this that my job

590
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 4: is to give him the players, and the manager's job

591
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: is to put those players in the best position to

592
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 4: win the baseball game. His job is down there. My

593
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: job is upstairs. And but but I would have those discussions. Yeah,

594
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 4: there's a big picture element, no doubt there is a

595
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: big picture element to it. But I also believed I

596
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: was sort of in lockstep with Charlie. Man, we're trying

597
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 4: to win baseball games. We got to win, and we

598
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 4: were we were in that in that cycle of winning

599
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 4: when I when I took over, and so uh so

600
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: I believed in in his you know, there were some

601
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 4: times I had it. You know, we were talking about

602
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: Chase Utley. There were times when I pointed his name

603
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: and go dude, let's get him. Let's get him out

604
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 4: of the I mean, the guys can't I mean, let's

605
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: get him out of the lineup. Can we get at

606
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 4: any point to Eric Bruntlett's name and go, I'm gonna

607
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 4: place that guy with that guy?

608
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: And I like Derek Bruntlet.

609
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: He's a good play. But I can understand.

610
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: I mean, Charlie, Charlie, go which guy would.

611
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 4: You want to play?

612
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Speaker 2: Okay, so here that's great, right, So one hundred percent

613
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: I totally get that. So here's another This kind of

614
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: plays off what we've just been talking about. This is

615
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: a question from John uh It was on Facebook. How

616
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: much longer can they keep trying whit Mierfield out there

617
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Speaker 2: with his lack of production. If he doesn't start producing

618
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: it the plate by the All Star Game or trade deadline,

619
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Speaker 2: will they look to replace him?

620
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Speaker 4: Stuff?

621
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Speaker 1: He paid the guy eight million dollars.

622
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Speaker 2: He's a veteran with a track record or the track

623
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: record has not been as good the past couple of years.

624
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: But talking about Brandon Marsh getting more time in left

625
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: field to develop, but they're playing this guy because he's

626
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: supposed to have a platoon advantage in left field and

627
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: he's not producing.

628
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 4: So here's here.

629
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Speaker 1: It's tough.

630
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 4: A couple VI is a tough so, so a couple

631
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: of things. I will say. When they signed him, I

632
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 4: thought it was a great signing. I think he's a

633
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: perfect fit for this team. That said, when you take

634
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 4: an everyday player and then make him a platoon type player,

635
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: that is a huge adjustment for a guy and he

636
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 4: has to mentally buy in number one and number two.

637
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 4: There's a totally different way to prepare to be that

638
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: like non everyday guy, that two time a week guy,

639
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: that one time a week guy. And so I think

640
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: he's still adjusting to that. I think that there is

641
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: there are much better ways with a lot of the things,

642
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 4: and you know a lot of the drills and things

643
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: that you have. You have one of those pitching machines

644
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 4: that simulates, you know, real pitching. There's all types of

645
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: things that that teams have, especially the Phillies. It pretty

646
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: much has of everything. Was John Middleton made sure that

647
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: you know they are well equipped. But there's a lot

648
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: of different ways to prepare and I think that's part

649
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: of his developed as a part time player, and so

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Speaker 4: I think it may take some time, but this guy's

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Speaker 4: going to get some big bass hits. I'm telling you

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Speaker 4: right now, he's going to win a couple of baseball

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Speaker 4: games with some big bass hits and some really good

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Speaker 4: quality at bats. It's just a matter of him getting

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Speaker 4: an opportunity to make the adjustment to being this type

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Speaker 4: of role player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think they would replace him because I

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Speaker 3: think in the back of their minds they know just

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Speaker 3: what Rubin said that you know, I don't care if

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Speaker 3: he's sitting in you know, a buck fifty. At some

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Speaker 3: point he's going to have a good run for us

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Speaker 3: because there's some track record there, and you know, you

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Speaker 3: don't need him to light it up every day. He's

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Speaker 3: not going to be an everyday guy, but he could

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Speaker 3: end up being a very valuable role player down the

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Speaker 3: stretch if you continue to hang with him, just because

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Speaker 3: the track record has been such. So I'm not ready

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Speaker 3: to give up on him as a contributor in a

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Speaker 3: part time role or in a you know, off the

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Speaker 3: bench roll at some point. And I think at some

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00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: point he's gonna you know, that death signing is going

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Speaker 3: to pay off. So I'm only going to be patient there.

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Speaker 2: This is a I got a bunch of these and

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Speaker 2: this actually surprised me, but it kind of tells you

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Speaker 2: what's on listeners minds. And it's interesting which eight Philly

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Speaker 2: has the best chance at Cooperstown? Which eight Philly should

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Speaker 2: have their number retired? To god, they got like three

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Speaker 2: or four people asking this question. So it's something that

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Speaker 2: people are thinking a lot about. Of the eight Phillies,

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Speaker 2: who has the best chance to make the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 2: Whose numbers should be retired?

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Speaker 4: If any?

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Speaker 2: The Phillies have a policy where if you're not in

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, Well they had a policy, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: then they.

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Speaker 1: Change it for Dick Allen, who should be in the hall? Yeah, John, John,

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Speaker 1: you know he should be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: I think we can all agree Dick Allen has been

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Speaker 2: snubbed for decades and decades and decades.

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Speaker 4: We could have a whole show on that.

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Speaker 2: Hun totally, totally so. Of the eight Phillies, who has

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Speaker 2: the best chance?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I really ate.

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Speaker 3: The best chance. Look at the way the voting has gone,

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Speaker 3: and you look at the things that voters value. Uh,

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Speaker 3: they've sort of you know, awakened to a lot of

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Speaker 3: the things he he did so well, and value that more.

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Speaker 3: In their voting, so I'd say he's he has the

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Speaker 3: best shot. Ryan Howard fell off the ballot. Jimmy has

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Speaker 3: kind of treaded water, but utleast seems to have, you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of suction, as they say, down the road.

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Speaker 3: And as far as retiring numbers, to me, Jimmy's the

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Speaker 3: all time franchise hits leader. That number has got to

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Speaker 3: be retired in my mind, if you're gonna do just

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Speaker 3: one of them. But you know, you always talk about

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Speaker 3: best first baseman, second basement short stop franchise history. Howard,

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Speaker 3: Utley and Rollins. They were such integral players and leaders,

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Speaker 3: foundation pieces on those great teams that Reuben was upstairs

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Speaker 3: with that, you know, I certainly could see them doing

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Speaker 3: all three. And the fact that they haven't issued any

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Speaker 3: of those numbers, but they have issued Goal Animal's number

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Speaker 3: tells me that probably at some point they're planning on

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Speaker 3: retiring those those three numbers. Howard, Utley and Rollins. I

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Speaker 3: would have no problem with it.

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Speaker 4: I completely agree, And I don't know that you can

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Speaker 4: distinguish but the contributions that all three of those guys

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Speaker 4: made in one way, shape or another, I don't think

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Speaker 4: I ultimately don't know that any of them will get

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Speaker 4: into the Hall of Fame. I think that Jimmy Rollins

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Speaker 4: has should have had a chance to just because of

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Speaker 4: you know, I start thinking about how he stacks up

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Speaker 4: against Barry Larkin, and I think he's a guy that

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Speaker 4: probably should get in because of you know, where Barry

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Speaker 4: Larkin's in there. Some other people can have a different

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Speaker 4: argument about that, but I think it really becomes a

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Speaker 4: discussion between Chase and Jimmy. That is it, you know,

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Speaker 4: is the quality of like the bulk, quality of the

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Speaker 4: bulk that Jimmy had, or the quality of that one

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00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 4: span of five years that Utley had, And how do

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Speaker 4: you how do you measure that? How do you vote

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Speaker 4: on that? The voting part, you know, you can throw

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Speaker 4: it in the trash for me, and I know it's

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Speaker 4: an important part of it, but I think it's the

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Speaker 4: contribution to the team during that time. I think both

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Speaker 4: those guys should be Hall of Famers myself now, yeah,

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Speaker 4: but I'm I'm a more expanded Hall of Fame guy.

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Speaker 4: I'm not as a smell like you know, people have

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Speaker 4: different thoughts about it. I think all three of those

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Speaker 4: guys's numbers are going to be retired because of what

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Speaker 4: they brought to the table in that era. There's not

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Speaker 4: you know, as Jim said, I mean the impact that

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Speaker 4: they had on that club for those many years and

743
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Speaker 4: that was a nice run, was pretty significant. And I

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Speaker 4: have a feeling that John Middleton and others will choose

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Speaker 4: to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think always got the best chance for sure,

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Speaker 2: because he kind of I think he's gonna trend kind

748
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Speaker 2: of like Scott Rowland. A lot of voters today, I

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Speaker 2: don't want to get into this too much, but a

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Speaker 2: lot of voters say they start with they look at

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Speaker 2: the war. They go, all right, Chase at least got

752
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: a war of like sixty eight or sixty five issues

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Speaker 2: in the sixties. Jimmy Rownds is in the forties. Chase

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Speaker 2: Utley is going to be my guy. He's going to

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00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: trend upward and upward. But Jimmy Rownds, you know, look

756
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: at some of the other shortsteps that they're in the

757
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. I mean, no, you know, all apologies

758
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: to Phil Rizzuto, but come on, if he's in the

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00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, then.

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00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 4: Jimmy, Jimmy Rewnds should be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: So gonna be I think it's gonna be Chase Utley.

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Speaker 1: You'll probably get in.

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Speaker 2: I think probably Jimmy Rounds will not, although I think

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Speaker 2: both should. So. Last question, this comes from Gary H.

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Speaker 2: What is the story behind the closing remarks each show

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Speaker 2: between Jim and Ruben Smell you later.

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00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 4: That's for Jim.

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00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: Well, I don't shower often. Once we went to the

769
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: Virtual Zoom World a few years ago, you know, I

770
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: just gave up showers. So no, I'm kidding you, just

771
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: sort of like see you later, sort of sort of

772
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: our George Burns saga Night Gracy. Is that what it was?

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00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: Good Night Gracie.

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00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, we're.

775
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 3: Taking to getting it on a T shirt.

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00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 4: I think there was a guy. I think there's a

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00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 4: guy I played with in like the minor leagues. At

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00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 4: some point he used to say, Hey, see you later,

779
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: and then you would say see you later, but no, no,

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00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 4: smell you later, And so I sort of started saying

781
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 4: saying that. I think I started saying it to you

782
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 4: guys every once in a while when we were when

783
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: you were covering our club right right and getting fired

784
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 4: and getting me fired. So I decided, you know, okay, guys,

785
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: smell you lator.

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00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of like one half

787
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: immaturity one part absurdity.

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00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: I think that has something to do with.

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00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 3: It as well. With Ruby and I have always had

790
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: like sort of like we we poke each other impatially

791
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: and we we enjoy it sometimes occasionally sometimes it's occasionally

792
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: even clean enough that people can, can you know, publicly

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00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: consume it.

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00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 4: I'll say it's out of great it's out of great respect.

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00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 4: And I have to say this. I will say this

796
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 4: about both of you guys. I had the great opportunity

797
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: to be able to to talk with them for many,

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00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: many many years as an executive and two of the

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00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 4: most knowledgeable, professional, quality people I've ever been around. And

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00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 4: that's the truth.

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00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 2: Thanks many, Yeah, that's nice.

802
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's serious.

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00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thanks man.

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00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: Nothing that we got. No questions from six.

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00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: Though, No questions from six though. He must have been

806
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: asleep at the wheel last night. So we'll do this again.

807
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: We will do this again. Well, that was fun. We

808
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: got some good chance.

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00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 3: Is there a chance that he's not a regular listener?

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00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: Oh, then I'll get on his ass about that. If

811
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 4: that's the case, I mean, I.

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00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: Mean, that would make him a huge frau.

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00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 4: Will I will I will Twitter troll him all right,

814
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 4: next troll him.

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00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: He'd better be listening and passing the words to his

816
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 3: family friend. Well, we'll find out.

817
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: If he tweets at us later today, then we'll know

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00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: he's listening.

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00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: If he's not, and he tweets about the podcasts after,

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Speaker 2: then we'll know he's not the regular listener.

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Speaker 1: Guys, thanks a lot. That was fun. Thanks to all

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Speaker 1: the listeners that sent in questions.

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00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: Sorry we couldn't get through the mall and we will

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00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: be back early next week.

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Speaker 3: Take care, everybody, Smell you later.

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