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Speaker 1: From UFOs to ghosts and government cover ups. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Victory

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Speaker 1: America as one large, unblinking According to a two thousand

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Speaker 1: thirteen ball of pole, about fifty five percent of this

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Speaker 1: Internet is a distant second at about twenty one percent.

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Speaker 1: A smaller bit of the eye, maybe nine percent, still

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Speaker 1: But where is this eye looking and who decides what

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Speaker 1: it sees? Welcome back to the show. My name is

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Speaker 1: Matt and Ben and as always we are here with

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Speaker 1: our super producer know the spin, Dr Brown. So most

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Speaker 1: of the American audience, I would say much of the

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Speaker 1: American audience holds a cynical view of what they're told

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Speaker 1: these audiences can be partisan in their viewpoints, right, arguing

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're connected to the Illuminati or something short that's on,

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Speaker 1: that's on the far reaches, but it's there, and it

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Speaker 1: leads us to a big question. Right, we've been thinking

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Speaker 1: about this all week. Yeah, so who's correct? And to

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Speaker 1: And here's where it gets crazy. Yes, absolutely, this is

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Speaker 1: add at here, Matt that you and I and I

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Speaker 1: are not picking sides. We're not here to say that

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Speaker 1: there too, is better? Right, or necessarily worse. We're here

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Speaker 1: to talk about a phenomenon, a systemic phenomenon, which is uh,

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Speaker 1: a long time, even before Edward Edward Burns, but he was,

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Speaker 1: from his nineteen seven essay The Engineering of Consent, which

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Speaker 1: you can check out for free online. Alright, so, Matt,

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Speaker 1: people who have listened to our show for a while

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Speaker 1: by these authors named David Korteaux and William Hoyn's and

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Speaker 1: of reports. So that was a while ago. Now we're

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Speaker 1: in this brand new age of the internet. Bend. You

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Speaker 1: can get information as quickly as you want it, and

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Speaker 1: as much of it from any different place that you

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Speaker 1: want to. So misinformation Unfortunately, in this brand new world,

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Speaker 1: it can spread more easily than ever before. And Gadget

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Speaker 1: knocked four billion off the Apple market cap. Do you

435
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Speaker 1: remember this? It was due to an internal Apple email

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Speaker 1: about the delay of an OS and operating system Leopard,

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand seven. So just by Engadget talking

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Speaker 1: about this, it went flop. There's four billion down the drain. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Apple socked tank. There was a massive sell off. And

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Speaker 1: then Apple quickly notified Gadget that this was a hoax

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Speaker 1: and that there was no delay. Oh, it was just

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Speaker 1: a hoax. Okay, Yeah, speaking of hoaxes, right, Green Peace

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Speaker 1: also did a hoax. H Then there was a video,

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Speaker 1: an alleged video of Shell executive celebrating a new drilling venture.

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Speaker 1: Several news sources must take it for something legit and

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Speaker 1: was actually a production involving the Yes Men, which you

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Speaker 1: you're familiar with, right, Matt, Yeah, great, And I think

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Speaker 1: it was the first thing they were in with a

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Speaker 1: documentary that they made about what they were doing, where

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Speaker 1: they would impersonate an official from some giant corporation and

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Speaker 1: basically get other corporations or the one that they were

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Speaker 1: impersonating to admit things, admit or try to get them

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Speaker 1: to admit wrongdoing, yes, yeah, exactly, or say we apologize,

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Speaker 1: and they would pretend to be representatives of a bank

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Speaker 1: or some other large company, oil company, right yeah, and

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Speaker 1: they would say, we apologize for whatever, we're going to

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Speaker 1: give donate billions of dollars. The one I remember most

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Speaker 1: and publicly apologized for the beau Pall spill and disaster. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and they said they were gonna pay I think I

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Speaker 1: think they said they were going to pay people in

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Speaker 1: Bo Paul for all the harm that they caused. Oh right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: This was in two thousand and four, twenty anniversary of

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Speaker 1: the disaster. A guy claiming to be a Dow representative

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Speaker 1: was interviewed on BBC World News. He said the company

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Speaker 1: was going to clean up the site and compensate everyone

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Speaker 1: harms in that incident because they were gonna liquidate you

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Speaker 1: and Union Carbide for like twelve billion dollars. Dal quickly said,

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Speaker 1: we don't know this guy. Everything he's saying is not

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Speaker 1: correct and that was all happening while he was on

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Speaker 1: the air, right, Yeah, they jumped on it pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: This manipulation could also be a matter of timing. And

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Speaker 1: there's something really neat that we'd like to introduce you

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Speaker 1: guys to. Here in the West, a lot of possibly disruptive,

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Speaker 1: unfavorable or unpopular stories are issued on a Friday afternoon

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Speaker 1: or early evening, and it's often called a Friday news dump.

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Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about this, we highly

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Speaker 1: recommend you check out the subreddit Friday news dump, right yeah,

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Speaker 1: And if you just sproll through that, you'll see a

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Speaker 1: bunch of stories that are allegedly stuff, maybe not stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want, you know, but stuff they hope you

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Speaker 1: don't pay too much attention. They reported it, but not

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Speaker 1: not many eyes are on it at that time when

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Speaker 1: it's really hot. Right when at that moment when it

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Speaker 1: comes out. Yeah, And speaking of learning more and fantastic segways,

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Speaker 1: we have some stuff for you to check out if

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Speaker 1: you would like to delve into the strange world of

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Speaker 1: media manipulation. The first would be the book we mentioned

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Speaker 1: at the top of the Business of Media, Corporate media,

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Speaker 1: and the Public Interest with day of a Quoteaux and

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Speaker 1: William Hoyns. That second one is the essay we mentioned

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Speaker 1: by Edward Burns called Engineering Consent. And also I would

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Speaker 1: say maybe even first read Propaganda. Yes, Propaganda. Wow, what

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Speaker 1: a great book. I had a copy of that somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Did I steal it from you? I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. If there's some books met that I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody really owns. I'm gonna check my sholds when

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Speaker 1: I go home. Okay, Well, then if you find it,

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Speaker 1: just just pass it along to someone else. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: then we have a more recent book, The Image, A

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Speaker 1: Guide to Pseudo Events in America by Daniel J. Boston.

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Speaker 1: This is more recent than Propaganda, but it's still It

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Speaker 1: was published in nineteen sixty two. And this this concept

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Speaker 1: of pseudo events, This is stuff like a press conference

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Speaker 1: or presidential debate manufactured solely to be reported. And how

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Speaker 1: the definition of a celebrity at the time this book

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Speaker 1: was being written was transforming to someone who is known

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Speaker 1: for being well known, so not someone who contributes artistically

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Speaker 1: or materially or intellectually to society. Someone who is just

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Speaker 1: is a stranger you are supposed to know for doing anything,

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Speaker 1: even if it's just being in this being good at

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Speaker 1: being in the spotlight. Yeah right, yeah, And then this

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00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: guy kind of cast a vision of a US at

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Speaker 1: least that is consumed by its own illusions that sort

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Speaker 1: of fee on themselves, and how difficult it can be

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Speaker 1: to find actual information. Right. The next one is called

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Speaker 1: trust Me I'm Lying. Confessions of a Media Manipulator by

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Speaker 1: Ryan Holiday. Now, Ryan Holiday, right has written some great

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Speaker 1: stuff for Forbes, and he would be I think the

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Speaker 1: phrase uses is media strategist, but the media manipulator is

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Speaker 1: what he's what he's called it before. And he talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, these malicious online rumors costing companies millions of dollars. Uh,

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Speaker 1: these scandals just sweeping across the political landscape, leaning someone's

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Speaker 1: career that way, someone all this is some product or

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00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: celebrity becomes a viral sensation. But he says this doesn't

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Speaker 1: happen by accident. There's usually someone responsible for it. And

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Speaker 1: he says he establishes three things about today's culture. The

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Speaker 1: first one is blogs. Online blogs like think about the

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Speaker 1: Gawker or huff Po, Huffington Post or BuzzFeed. These sites

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Speaker 1: they've spit out so much stuff and they are meant

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Speaker 1: to bait you into clicking. Right, you won't believe what

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Speaker 1: how linkable they are. Keyboards hate them, write something like that.

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Speaker 1: Microsoft and other keyboard makers love them right, right, But

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Speaker 1: stick around for the rest of the list because number

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Speaker 1: two will blow your mind. Number two bloggers are slaves

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Speaker 1: to money, technology and deadlines and his his language there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that if that comparison is very good,

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Speaker 1: but you know, the point is there there are things

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00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: that these bloggers have to depend upon, right. Yeah, they

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00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: can't just be magically nurtured by the gods of good

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Speaker 1: investigative journalism. True yet, which is a shame one day.

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Speaker 1: Number three manipulators wield these levers to shape everything you read,

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Speaker 1: everything you see and watch online and sometimes offline. Right.

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Speaker 1: The Bernese legacy continues and in these in these books

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Speaker 1: you can learn more about the behind the scenes and

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00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: now be on at some of it's pretty dirty, uh,

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00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes behavior that goes into the the story.

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Speaker 1: You all of a sudden saw the Internet go nuts

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Speaker 1: over like the what color was the dress? Thing? Right,

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Speaker 1: which was a thing that people seem to be very

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00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: interested in, but it was was it because it was

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00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: really interested or was there a manufactured wave of attention?

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a good question. I don't know the

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Speaker 1: answer to it. However, we hope that this introduction to

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00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: media manipulation has given you some things to think about

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Speaker 1: and some tools to use when you're watching stuff. Now, Matt,

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00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: I think you and I have said this before, but

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Speaker 1: if you go in assuming that every place, every every show,

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00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: ours included, perhaps has an agenda, then what you find

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00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: is that the best way to learn the objective facts

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00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: or truth about something is not to rely on one source.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely spread it out a little bit, because you're

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00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: those points of perspective from all these different outlets are

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00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: going to give you better perspective, right exactly. So it's

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00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: true that r T and maybe the Washington Post will

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Speaker 1: publish very different accounts of maybe the same events, right

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Speaker 1: And instead of thinking, well, I'm going to find one

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00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: place reporting this that isn't clearly a hit piece or

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Speaker 1: doesn't have some sort of agenda, it takes a little

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00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: more effort, but it is more rewarding to check out

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Speaker 1: both of them and say, what what what do I think?

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00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: It's true, it's like going to the doctor for something serious,

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00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: get a second opinion every time. Absolutely. Before we wrap up, Ben,

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Speaker 1: I was interested if you would like to hear some

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Speaker 1: listener mail. All right, so listener mail today, we have

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Speaker 1: some corrections, ladies and gentlemen come to us courtesy of

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Speaker 1: Stephen Kay. And Stephen Kay pointed out a huge goof

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Speaker 1: that we made in the episode. Yeah, lb J was

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Speaker 1: not running for re election. In fact, two months before

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Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy was killed, l b J said I shall

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Speaker 1: not seek and I will not accept the nomination of

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Speaker 1: my party for another term as your president. Right, And

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Speaker 1: you are correct, Stephen, and thanks so much for writing

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Speaker 1: and we we appreciate it. We appreciate your time there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we've got a little bit of time. Let's do one

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Speaker 1: more alright. This message comes from Corey. He says, Hey, guys,

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00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: really enjoy your show. Thanks dude. I was listening to

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00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: the most recent episode on Robert Kennedy and the theory

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00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: regarding whether he was assassinated by a Manchurian candidate. You

590
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: may want to take a look at the hypnotism and

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00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: mentalism community. While you mentioned Darren Brown, take a look

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Speaker 1: at Anthony Wakin's hypnotism some in ours and products. He

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00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: has one called reality is Plastic, and the Trilby connection

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00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: and the Manchurion approach all sound interesting. In addition, there

595
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: are some other magic esque products out there on the market,

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00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: like mind Eraser by Joe Broguey, which according to them,

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00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: makes people forget simple information like the chosen card their

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00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: own name. What my personal belief is that hypnotism doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: It's based on routines that are psychological and aid and

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Speaker 1: assisting people to believe. Perhaps you can do a show

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Speaker 1: on head hacking see j Noble Izada. Anyhow, I hope

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Speaker 1: this helps interesting stuff. Corey. Yeah, thank you for writing

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Speaker 1: Inquiry one. One thing I will say is that it

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Speaker 1: really depends on what your concept of hypnotism is. We did, ah,

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Speaker 1: I did a piece for brain Stuff on hypnotism earlier,

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Speaker 1: and this state of suggestibility concept does it does have

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Speaker 1: some sand to however, it's the the idea that you

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Speaker 1: could mentally overpower someone, put them in a trance and

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Speaker 1: make them do something insane. It's not that simple, nor

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00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: that clear cut, and it's not right. Yeah, exactly, uh

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Speaker 1: and how cool would it be? And we hope that

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Speaker 1: you guys have enjoyed the podcast so far. Because there's

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Speaker 1: one more thing we do at the end of every episode, now,

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Speaker 1: isn't that right? That's right, Ben, It's time for our

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Speaker 1: moment with Noll. Hey buddy, Hey guys, how's how's it going?

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Speaker 1: It's going okay, there we go doing pretty well. See

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Speaker 1: you've got a double set of headphones in today. Well

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Speaker 1: it's just a proper set of headphones and then a

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Speaker 1: single earbudonh nice you your renaissance man. Can I bring

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Speaker 1: something up that our audience maybe doesn't know? Sure, and

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Speaker 1: you guys might be a little embarrassed, but I just

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Speaker 1: want to get into it. Just if that's okay? Do it? So?

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Speaker 1: I have now seen both of you form live in

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Speaker 1: front of audiences in things that are outside of work.

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Speaker 1: Are you guys okay with me talking about this? Okay? Well,

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Speaker 1: should we get through you first? Let's get done with

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Speaker 1: you first. Let's do let's okay? Okay? Alright? Noel? Uh So,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many people out here. No, but

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Speaker 1: you're a musician. You're an excellent bassist, You're excellent on

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Speaker 1: a keyboard, You're a composer, you are a multi instrument

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Speaker 1: and it I I don't know. I just want to

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Speaker 1: bring this up. I want to talk about performing live

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Speaker 1: in front of an audience, because I haven't done this

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Speaker 1: in a good long while. I played drums, used to

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Speaker 1: play drums live a lot. But how do you guys

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Speaker 1: approach that? Do you still have, like get the nervous

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Speaker 1: feeling when you do that stuff? I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: it's all about your comfort level. Like I look at

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Speaker 1: something like what Ben does where he's you know, doing

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Speaker 1: stuff off the cuff in front of a crowd, and

641
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: that just makes me feel like a crazy person that like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I can improvide as playing music,

643
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: but nine times out of ten, I'm doing something that's

644
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: pretty well rehearsed and then I'm real comfortable with and

645
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, I feel the exact same way as a drummer.

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Speaker 1: So everybody been, I thank you for asking, Thank you

647
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: for asking. I primarily, uh I, I primarily count on mescaline.

648
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: You know, That's how live performances, yeah, is you know,

649
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean, just take a bunch of mescaline, right, and

650
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: then the spirit is with you and then it's a

651
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: spirit journey whatever you're doing. Just in all in all fairness,

652
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: I have never tried mescaline. I'm not that. I'm not

653
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: that uh cool or really even that enterprising. I don't

654
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: know where I would find it. I'm not plugged in enough.

655
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm too square. Uh, But I hear it's in the desert.

656
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: It's like you gotta tap a cactus or something nice.

657
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: Do you have a secret tap? I don't know. I

658
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: think I learned that from watching the Doors movie. Yes,

659
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: so well, live performance. You know, we have a lot

660
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: of performers in our audience too, and every so often

661
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: we get an email from them. I want to invite

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00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 1: you guys to feel free if you if you would

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Speaker 1: like to send some music our way that you think

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Speaker 1: is cooled, and yeah, we'd love to hear it. Any

665
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: performance really well, any safe your work performance. Don't crack

666
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: it up a little bit there. You know what I've

667
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: been revisiting lately. I don't know if you guys into this.

668
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: Have you heard of the group Destroyer's Yes, they were

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00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: big on album eight for All Time. Yeah, let's this guy,

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Speaker 1: Dan b b har B Jr. It's a Janito anounce

671
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Speaker 1: but he was also on the band The New Pornographers,

672
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: but his stuff is Destroyer. I've been kind of revisiting

673
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: and He's got some pretty pretty interesting little conspiratorial tidbits

674
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: in his layers, very kind of apocalyptic, kind of little

675
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Speaker 1: urns of phrase. Well, I'm a big fan of Yeah,

676
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna go check that out right now.

677
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: Thank you for telling me. You know, I love something.

678
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Speaker 1: There's something that I felt like maybe I would have

679
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Speaker 1: wanted to hear you guys touch Shohn in the episode today. Um,

680
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: I guess it hasn't really made a huge splash, but

681
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: it came out maybe yesterday yesterday that Brian Williams in

682
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Speaker 1: fact not going to be resuming his post. Really, Brian Williams,

683
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: didn't he get in trouble for uh exaggerating right this

684
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Speaker 1: story about the helicopter. Yeah, and then you know, and

685
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Speaker 1: I think that called attention to the fact that maybe

686
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: there were some other things that he wasn't completely you know,

687
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Speaker 1: above board with, And it just kind of made me

688
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: think of this idea as like news reporters as celebrities. Yeah,

689
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: that's exactly want to bring up. He crosses the divide.

690
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: There was a regular Anderson Cooper, So it really starts

691
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Speaker 1: blurring the lines and you're talking about like reporting celebrity gossip.

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Speaker 1: And then you have these reporters who themselves are celebrities

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Speaker 1: doing a performance, so I don't know. Yeah, uh that

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Speaker 1: that's That's an excellent example, and thank you so much

695
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Speaker 1: for raising it. And this is a great way for

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Speaker 1: us to ask you for advice at least, and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: what do you think are some of the most often

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Speaker 1: censored or suppressed news stories? What do you what do

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Speaker 1: you think is dishonest about the media today? And why?

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Speaker 1: If you if you had to guess why, I'd really

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Speaker 1: like to know stories at least recent stories that you

702
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Speaker 1: think have been either pushed to the side or just

703
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Speaker 1: covered like just on top with a giant pancake of celebrity.

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Speaker 1: I just I mean the biggest pancake you can imach

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