Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. I'll that for me. I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,
Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy
Speaker 1: for a day? Edo Steak is that whoo whoom?
Speaker 2: And Dan and Tie, welcome back to the solid verbal,
Speaker 2: Boys and girls. My name is Tye Hildebrand, joining me
Speaker 2: as always my good friend over there in snowy, snowy,
Speaker 2: snowy New York City. Dan Rubinstein, sir, how are you?
Speaker 1: We're about thirty six hours post Pisman Trophy and my
Speaker 1: my innerds my insides because I don't drink a lot
Speaker 1: and I drink a lot. It's a struggle bus in there, Tie,
Speaker 1: it is a struggle bus to drink. Dan was on
Speaker 1: full display on Friday evening. It turned into four and
Speaker 1: a half four point eight drink Dan. Okay, okay, you're
Speaker 1: pushing yourself when you get to that point. If you're
Speaker 1: my body, Well.
Speaker 2: It's good to see you. It was good to see everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Pisman Trophy, Sarah only. We posted a couple of
Speaker 2: pictures of us with the esteemed Adam Amine, who was
Speaker 2: in attendance. It was good to see him. Fine, gentlemen,
Speaker 2: good to catch up and talk about his year and
Speaker 2: you know what lies ahead for him. So that was fun.
Speaker 2: A lot of other notable personalities.
Speaker 1: It was a great Pisman crowd.
Speaker 2: Thank you as always for the invite to be part
Speaker 2: of the festivities.
Speaker 1: Of course, and congratulations to brock Riggs excuse me of
Speaker 1: Heidelberg University in Tiffin, Ohio. Boom walking away with the hardware,
Speaker 1: the most important piece of hardware in the college football postseason.
Speaker 2: A lot of fun. So we've got a lot to
Speaker 2: discuss here, not the least of which is the update
Speaker 2: on our shirt giveaway contest, which many people have been
Speaker 2: emailing in. What is the status of that? We'll talk
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: No more submissions, by the way, we have way too many.
Speaker 2: We'll also talk about the status of the live show
Speaker 2: and how ticket sales are going and what our plan
Speaker 2: is moving forward for that. So, without further ado Dan Yo.
Speaker 1: Mo bop boat boo bope.
Speaker 2: There was a football game yesterday. It was Army Navy.
Speaker 2: It was in the snow, so full disclosure, the solid
Speaker 2: wife and I came up to New York with every
Speaker 2: intention of at least considering whether we wanted to stay
Speaker 2: in the city on Saturday throughout the day and go
Speaker 2: see a show or do something. It's Christmas in New York.
Speaker 2: That's what people do, right. We thought about it. What
Speaker 2: we didn't realize when we drove up on Friday afternoon
Speaker 2: was that there was snow in the forecast for yesterday,
Speaker 2: like out of nowhere. Two to five inches was expected
Speaker 2: in the Greater New York Eastern PA area. And we
Speaker 2: called an audible, decided to drive home bright and early
Speaker 2: on Saturday morning, so we got home before the bulk
Speaker 2: of the snow hit. I'm glad we did. If you
Speaker 2: watched the Army Navy game, you saw a little bit
Speaker 2: of that. It was snowing pretty hard in our neck
Speaker 2: the woods here, which made for a really cool backdrop
Speaker 2: for a historic game between Army and Navy. Army one
Speaker 2: fourteen thirteen. As Navy misses a forty eight yard field
Speaker 2: goal in the snow, the kid had the leg just
Speaker 2: went a little bit wide left fourteen thirteen, Army wins again.
Speaker 1: Yes, a combined if I have this correct, three passes.
Speaker 2: Three passes for twenty two yards. It was like a
Speaker 2: Florida game. It was a Florida game.
Speaker 1: Navy. Unfortunately, Malcolm parry two hundred and fifty some midd
Speaker 1: yards and a losing effort, But good for Army for
Speaker 1: holding on and and good for Army for a camouflage
Speaker 1: system on the fields. That was fun to watch. No,
Speaker 1: it was a cool game to watch and obviously a
Speaker 1: unique moment and unique matchup in college football always always
Speaker 1: about the coolest thing to say.
Speaker 2: A grand total of three passes for twenty two yards,
Speaker 2: but ninety five collective rushing attempts at this game, which
Speaker 2: is not unexpected.
Speaker 1: And the first, the first I think winning for the
Speaker 1: Cadets since ninety two to ninety six.
Speaker 2: That sounds right, that sounds right.
Speaker 1: I'm coming all right.
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, to the surprise of nobody, wins the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2: It was the third time for him that he had
Speaker 2: been a Heisman Trophy finalist. He received seven hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty two first place votes, which I believe, if my
Speaker 2: math is correct, that would make him the fifth most
Speaker 2: all time, behind Charlie Ward and Cam Newton. So certainly
Speaker 2: a great year for Baker he wins the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2: Also of note, it is the fifth time since two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine that a Stanford player has finished as
Speaker 2: a runner up in the Heisman Trophy. That would of
Speaker 2: course be Bryce Love.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield did not have a bad game. Baker Mayfield was.
Speaker 1: He dominated the quarterback landscape, I would say in a
Speaker 1: way that is not seen in modern college football. He
Speaker 1: was so far and away the best quarterback in the
Speaker 1: sport that it sort of became a no brainer. And
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have very strong and
Speaker 1: important opinions about Baker Mayfield's behavior, perhaps after games, during games,
Speaker 1: on the sideline, whatever, But he was such an incredibly
Speaker 1: special talent that it's a shame we won't get to
Speaker 1: see more of him because he was not really of
Speaker 1: this college football universes. Here we talked about him sort
Speaker 1: of being in between college and the NFL, just in
Speaker 1: terms of the talent and confidence that he played with
Speaker 1: starting out with the big Ohio State when even going
Speaker 1: back to the win against Auburn and bowl season last year.
Speaker 1: But yes, this was among the biggest recent no brainers
Speaker 1: of a Heisman vote an any issue with the vote
Speaker 1: at all? Did you see the top ten any sort
Speaker 1: of things that stood out.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it now. No, yeah, no, not in
Speaker 2: particular the roquand Smith. I guess addition down at number
Speaker 2: ten caught me off guardy Roquand Smith is very good.
Speaker 2: But once you get outside the top three, it sort
Speaker 2: of turns into this mishmash of players that maybe would
Speaker 2: Nick spects some that you would, so don't. I don't
Speaker 2: have any hot takes as far as that goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it were a much closer vote and you
Speaker 1: start seeing four first place votes for Mackenzie Milton, three
Speaker 1: for Rokwand Smith, who best player on arguably the best
Speaker 1: defense in the SEC, you know there's something understandable at
Speaker 1: that if you want to vote for the best pure
Speaker 1: player that you see, I don't know how you can
Speaker 1: say Rokwand Smith is better at playing linebacker than Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield is at quarterback. But no, this was this was
Speaker 1: extremely easy, And yeah, poor Stanford always always coming second place.
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, Bryce Love, Lamar Jackson, Saquon Barkley, and Rashad
Speaker 2: Penny round out your top five, and then Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 2: tailback at six, which is awesome freshman by the way, Yes,
Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph Mackenzie Milton from UCF, Carrie On Johnson, and
Speaker 2: Rokwan Smith rounding out the top ten, So congratulations to
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield. By all accounts, he's got a bright future
Speaker 2: waiting for him in the NFL. A lot of teams
Speaker 2: are excited about him, so we'll see how he performs
Speaker 2: at the next level. We also mentioned briefly at the
Speaker 2: top about brock Riggs getting the Pisman Trophy, but look
Speaker 2: up Heidelberg, a small college fifty five miles southeast of
Speaker 2: Toledo in the northern part of Ohio. He was, I thought,
Speaker 2: a little bit emotional about winning award. He had some
Speaker 2: family in town, some friends in town. He noted in
Speaker 2: his acceptance speech it was his first time in New
Speaker 2: York City, which is really cool, and definitely got a
Speaker 2: little choked up, held it together. But you were on
Speaker 2: stage with him. Did you hear the voice crackle? I
Speaker 2: could hear it, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1: And he brought his girlfriend and offensive line coach slash
Speaker 1: coordinator with him. His brothers showed up at the awards ceremony,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you saw this, but there
Speaker 1: was a watch party at Heidelberg. Yes, he was awesome,
Speaker 1: friends and stuff like that. And as soon as our
Speaker 1: pal Ryan Nanny announced that he won, there was like
Speaker 1: that cool explosion thing like you see when you know
Speaker 1: a team gets into the NCAA tournament or something. You
Speaker 1: see that shot a lot and that was awesome to see.
Speaker 1: That was so cool.
Speaker 2: Mario Cristobal has officially been named the next head football
Speaker 2: coach at Oregon. We had speculated when we did our
Speaker 2: Willie Taggart Emerga Pod last week that Crystal Ball might
Speaker 2: be the selection. Jeff Schwartz on our program seemed to
Speaker 2: advocate for him. The locker room seemed to advocate for
Speaker 2: him as well. Mary chris Ball is a guy who
Speaker 2: has head coaching experience. It didn't work out so well
Speaker 2: at the end of his tenure at FIU, but since
Speaker 2: then he's had ample opportunity to learn and grow as
Speaker 2: a football coach. She did some time at Alabama, obviously,
Speaker 2: had a successful stint a short stint as an assistant
Speaker 2: at Oregon. Now he's been named the head guy, Dan,
Speaker 2: how do you feel?
Speaker 1: Well? First of all, it is karma for always making
Speaker 1: fun of words that we pronounced differently. That Oregon has
Speaker 1: now hired a Mario Mario. That is that's rough for
Speaker 1: me that I'm going to have to hear a difference
Speaker 1: in first name opinion that's on this show whenever we
Speaker 1: talk about him. But as for the highre itself, I
Speaker 1: think I like it. You know, it's not overwhelming, and
Speaker 1: I don't think you're ever going to get an overwhelming
Speaker 1: higher short of you know, loving Chip Kelly as an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and promoting him within like they did in
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. And it's hard to it's hard
Speaker 1: to really justify feeling great when you're Oregon and you're
Speaker 1: far away from the sort of masses and you're always
Speaker 1: going to get your definite first choice. And given the circumstances,
Speaker 1: I think it's good. I think the continuity should be
Speaker 1: pretty good. I think he's going to hold on to
Speaker 1: a few assistants who I think acquitted themselves pretty nicely.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Jim Levitt is going to be long
Speaker 1: for Eugene after the Las Vegas ball. I imagine he's disappointed
Speaker 1: and he gets to go to Florida's state and coach
Speaker 1: with Willie Taggart. An easier job, I would say, in
Speaker 1: terms of recruiting and the talent that will be on
Speaker 1: hand and the opponents in the ACC. So I think
Speaker 1: it's good. I think the players seem to love him.
Speaker 1: He appears to be well liked in the administration, looks
Speaker 1: to be a steadying force. I think he should be
Speaker 1: able to hire well assistant wise, and so it all
Speaker 1: seems to be clicking. You know, we have to see
Speaker 1: if he is actually able to lead teams in and
Speaker 1: out of wins. You know, struggled with a backup quarterback
Speaker 1: at times or the whole time during the season offensively.
Speaker 1: But I have faith given that Justin Herbert looks to
Speaker 1: be a top three or four quarterback returning for next year,
Speaker 1: that at least in the short term, and he has
Speaker 1: I think like a ten million dollar buyout so he
Speaker 1: doesn't take off in quick succession, that that Oregon will
Speaker 1: be in good shape. They are stocked pretty nicely. If
Speaker 1: they can hold onto the roster, if they can sort
Speaker 1: of take this I think Willy Taggart had them at
Speaker 1: like number five or six recruiting class and keep them
Speaker 1: in like the top fifteen something like that with the
Speaker 1: early signing period and then the standard one. I think
Speaker 1: it will be a short term.
Speaker 2: You're feeling higher, You're feeling pretty good about this, then
Speaker 2: I'm encouraged.
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I'm not blown away, but I'm encouraged.
Speaker 1: And that's that's about as much as you can hope
Speaker 1: for given a coach bailing after one year.
Speaker 2: Also in the coaching world, Barry otom, Missouri's coach, got
Speaker 2: a two year extension. I think it's notable, if only
Speaker 2: because it was a rocky start to the season for Missouri,
Speaker 2: and then Barry otom gave that impassioned speech, right he
Speaker 2: talked about how he's the guy to turn this program around,
Speaker 2: to build it back from the ground up, and Missouri
Speaker 2: went on a bit of a run at the end
Speaker 2: of the year. They finished I thought in impressive fashion.
Speaker 2: The offense really did spring up around Drew lock in
Speaker 2: an impressive way, and Missouri is headed to a bowl game.
Speaker 2: They have rewarded him with two year extensions. So it
Speaker 2: looks like Barry Odam's going to be sticking around Columbia
Speaker 2: for at least two more seasons. Yep.
Speaker 1: We'll be interesting to see who he replaces Josh Hipel
Speaker 1: with as offensive coordinator considering the success that Drew Locke
Speaker 1: had and I know some people will point to the
Speaker 1: fact that well, Missouri beat up on a bunch of
Speaker 1: teams who were down and the defenses weren't great or
Speaker 1: they're going through coaching changes. Ty, I think you would
Speaker 1: agree pretty good teams beat up on teams that are
Speaker 1: not super good. YEP. So I am totally happy if
Speaker 1: I'm a Missouri fan with how the second half of
Speaker 1: the year wound up after sort of looking embarrassing, you know,
Speaker 1: against Purdue early on South Carolina whatever. Good for a
Speaker 1: zoo will be curious to see how this momentum goes
Speaker 1: into next year.
Speaker 2: The only other tidbits that I have here before we
Speaker 2: talk about our shirt contest and our live show. There
Speaker 2: was some news on the administrative front yesterday. Christelle Conte,
Speaker 2: formerly the athletic director at TCU, has been hired for
Speaker 2: the same position over at Texas. Christale Conte sort of
Speaker 2: known in this world one of the superstar ads out there,
Speaker 2: so it was notable, at least for a lot of
Speaker 2: the folks that cover college football to see him embarking
Speaker 2: on a new challenge now leaving TCU and headed down
Speaker 2: to Austin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, never forget Chrystal Conte's transition, his help to get
Speaker 1: TCU to the Big East, which I think still reverberates
Speaker 1: to this day. Now or joined the Big Eiast for
Speaker 1: a hot second before joining the Big twelve. That transition
Speaker 1: obviously went very well, helped to oversee a football program
Speaker 1: that kept growing and growing under Gary Patterson. Managed to
Speaker 1: hold on to Gary Patterson even though there's been I
Speaker 1: think a bunch of interest in him throughout the years
Speaker 1: at different places. And now, to me, that's the thing
Speaker 1: that I'm curious about, because Gary Patterson just signs an
Speaker 1: extension the ad leaves for Texas, which you can hardly
Speaker 1: blame somebody for taking a jump and job like that,
Speaker 1: But now I'm legitimately curious see what TCU looks like
Speaker 1: moving forward with some changes on top. But hey, big move,
Speaker 1: Texas should be in pretty good hands.
Speaker 2: Big move. Yeah, Texas has sort of been in a
Speaker 2: state of administrative limbo ever since they got rid of
Speaker 2: Steve Patterson that hold debacle a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: and an interim guy, Mike Parrin for a few years,
Speaker 2: and the intention was always to replace him with someone
Speaker 2: on a more permanent basis. Now they're bringing over Dell Conte,
Speaker 2: so we'll see how that affects the state of the
Speaker 2: Longhorns program as well. Okay, on solid verbal news front,
Speaker 2: Den two bullet points. First and foremost, the live show
Speaker 2: tickets very quickly sold out, at least the allotment, the
Speaker 2: first wave. Yeah, the first wave, if you will, of
Speaker 2: tickets that I put out there for people who live
Speaker 2: in Atlanta know they'll be in Atlanta on January sixth.
Speaker 2: That allotment went very quickly. Within a day, it all
Speaker 2: sold out, to the point where I started pulling over
Speaker 2: some of the tickets that I had put aside for
Speaker 2: people who might be coming into town for media, friends,
Speaker 2: so on and so forth. I pulled more tickets over.
Speaker 2: We sold out of those as well, So damn. Suffice
Speaker 2: to say, ticket sales have been quite strong. I would
Speaker 2: again urge people, if you are a fan of one
Speaker 2: of the four teams that are going to be in
Speaker 2: this playoff at the end of the year, I guess
Speaker 2: at the start of next year, and if you think
Speaker 2: you might be coming into town if your team makes
Speaker 2: it on through to the championship, reach out. Let us
Speaker 2: know so that we can put some tickets to side.
Speaker 2: Trying to get a rough headcount for how many people
Speaker 2: that might be. Some folks have emailed already. We would
Speaker 2: encourage you if you are on the fence If you
Speaker 2: don't know, just let us know, because if you are
Speaker 2: in town, we'd certainly love to have you at the
Speaker 2: live show. Otherwise, we're going to open some of those
Speaker 2: tickets back up to the general public because there does
Speaker 2: seem to be a lot of interest. Dan and I
Speaker 2: have yet to figure out exactly what we're going to
Speaker 2: do at this live show. Here's what we know, but
Speaker 2: that is something I think you and I are pretty
Speaker 2: good at. We'll figure that out in the meantime, though,
Speaker 2: tickets are doing really, really well. We're excited to do
Speaker 2: the show on January sixth, so just reach out and
Speaker 2: let us know your status.
Speaker 1: It will be some sort of funeral and or preview
Speaker 1: funeral for the season preview for the National Championship game.
Speaker 1: There will be some sort of Q and a quotient.
Speaker 2: When you say funeral that puts a very dark spin
Speaker 2: on it, Dan, Yeah, no, I know, but it's college
Speaker 2: football and sometimes you got to put a dark spin.
Speaker 2: There'll be a certain flavor of darkness to it.
Speaker 1: Yes, there will be some darkness. We have pals of
Speaker 1: course that you know. The full cast guys are in
Speaker 1: Atlanta and where we hope to have a quotion of
Speaker 1: that we're going to try to get Bill c and
Speaker 1: Steven godfree from I learned you're not supposed to call
Speaker 1: Pap and Tie it's papn Yeah, I don't know. In
Speaker 1: my head I always said pappened, but podcast name played nobody.
Speaker 1: We hope that they're going to swing by if they're
Speaker 1: in town, you know, talk to Andy Staples, Bruce Felman.
Speaker 1: We're gonna, you know, Adam a meet like We're just
Speaker 1: we're gonna have people there, tye. If you don't like us,
Speaker 1: that's cool. We have other college football weirdos that we
Speaker 1: think are going to pass through. And can I be
Speaker 1: shameless for a moment.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: We got a couple of emails and tweets saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: I work at a brewery, like could could we bring
Speaker 1: a keg? Can we bring cases? A bit like yes,
Speaker 1: if you if if you work or are somehow connected
Speaker 1: to a local Atlanta brewery and have cans because we
Speaker 1: do need to keep the space very clean. But if
Speaker 1: you have cans or bottles or something like that and
Speaker 1: you would like to donate it to the cause in
Speaker 1: a safe, responsible way, we were happy to shout out
Speaker 1: that brand name on the show and talk about how
Speaker 1: delicious your local.
Speaker 2: Beer, solid verbal at gmail dot com hit us up
Speaker 2: and uh, I think it's something we can easily work out.
Speaker 1: We be And same goes foras Yeah, if you're connected,
Speaker 1: if you work, if somebody wants to donate some snacks
Speaker 1: to the cause, maybe some tots, maybe some nachos, whatever,
Speaker 1: we would be happy time, more than thrilled to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: go get your tots at Steve's tot Emporium. Absolutely, So,
Speaker 1: what we're saying here is right now, we've secured the venue,
Speaker 1: We've got people coming to the venue. But much like
Speaker 1: the Fast and Furious movies, Dan and I still need
Speaker 1: to gather in a dilapidated warehouse and assemble the full
Speaker 1: cast of characters that are going to take part in
Speaker 1: this endeavor.
Speaker 2: But it will be fun. We appreciate everyone who's already
Speaker 2: reached out to us, and I think it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a full house. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be a great time. So looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing everybody down in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: The only other news tidbit on the soliverbal front before
Speaker 2: we get through a bowl games that we need to
Speaker 2: discuss in fine detail here we did a shirt contest.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a couple of weeks ago, we've gotten emails
Speaker 2: from people, tweets from people asking did I win? Can
Speaker 2: you tell you did I win? I want a shirt?
Speaker 2: Here's the deal. Submissions have officially been halted. No more
Speaker 2: submissions because we've got more than we can get through anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we are in the process of going through and reading
Speaker 2: those out. We want to give each one its proper due.
Speaker 2: Dan and I need to discuss our favorites, but we
Speaker 2: are still working our way through that. We will give
Speaker 2: shirts out, we promise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the next week or so, we'll make decisions
Speaker 1: and alert the winners real quick before we get into
Speaker 1: the Bowl games. Can I go through the awards? You know,
Speaker 1: we make a big deal of putting a lot of
Speaker 1: our friends on the watch lists. Yes, we please give
Speaker 1: some closure real quick. I mean, you know about Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield and the Heisman and brock Rigs and Pismen. But
Speaker 1: Miga Fitzpatrick took home the Bnard for the Best Defense
Speaker 1: of Player, James Washington, the Best Receiver junk yard Gym
Speaker 1: no brainer, tie, nope, no brainer, and had some good competition.
Speaker 1: The Broyles Award for the Best Assistant goes to Tony
Speaker 1: Elliott for Clemson and co oc We saw the Clemson
Speaker 1: offense really look very good with a first year starter
Speaker 1: in Kelly Bryant. Rokwand Smith we mentioned as the best linebacker,
Speaker 1: and so he wins the but Gus Davey, O'Brien, Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield best Quarterback, Doak Walker, Brice Love best running Back.
Speaker 1: The Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year award to Scott Frost.
Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty suitable recipient. The lou Groza
Speaker 1: for the best kicker goes to Matt Gay. You'll be
Speaker 1: shocked to learn he kicks for Utah because that's who
Speaker 1: wins kicking awards. Mark Andrews from Oklahoma rightfully wins best
Speaker 1: tight End. Pretty good year with Fumagalli and Gasiki also finalists.
Speaker 1: The best all around player goes to Baker Mayfield the
Speaker 1: Negersky that was the Maxwell. The Nigersky gos to Bradley Chubb,
Speaker 1: who set all sorts of records for NCIS State at
Speaker 1: Oliver wins the outline for best interior Lineman, which wish
Speaker 1: he were in bigger games this year for Houston, but
Speaker 1: such as I Saquon Barkley wins the Hornig for Versatility.
Speaker 1: The Piseman, of course we mentioned, Michael Dixon wins the
Speaker 1: Ray Guy for Texas, Billy Price wins the Remington Mika Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: the Thorpe Baker Mayfield, Walter camp and the William V.
Speaker 1: Campbell goes to Micah Kaiser of Virginia and that incorporates
Speaker 1: academics and service. So that's pretty great.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, congratulations to everyone that want an award. Congratulations
Speaker 2: to all the finalists as well. Very exciting. Okay, before
Speaker 2: we go any further, we did talk about shirts before.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it is black tie optional. I'm not wearing a tux,
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Speaker 2: Dan, and time to help the needy pix of the week.
Speaker 2: So that sound may be a little bit misleading. What
Speaker 2: we do you're in and you're out around these parts,
Speaker 2: is we go through all of the Bowl games. In
Speaker 2: this case, there are forty one of them that we
Speaker 2: need to discuss. We don't do them all at once
Speaker 2: because we'd be here all day previewing games, and quite honestly,
Speaker 2: I've only looked at the first eight. But what we
Speaker 2: do is we go in chronological order. In the case
Speaker 2: of today's show, we're going to take you up till
Speaker 2: December twentieth and the DXL Frisco Bowl. It's a big
Speaker 2: one between Louisiana Tech and SMU. We'll talk about that,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about all the other games that precede it.
Speaker 2: We do have a Bowl Confidence Pool, which you can
Speaker 2: find linked up on our Facebook page, on our Twitter account.
Speaker 2: We've also got it out on the web page at
Speaker 2: solidverbal dot com. You should go and sign up now
Speaker 2: compete for fabulous prizes. Initially we thought about giving away
Speaker 2: ten bitcoins, but now it's a little steep, so may
Speaker 2: we'll give out a shirt or something like that. But
Speaker 2: the way it works is you don't have to pick
Speaker 2: against the spread. We'll talk about the spread here as
Speaker 2: we go through each of these games, but you pick
Speaker 2: the winner quite simply. You pick the winner, and then
Speaker 2: you rank how confident you are on a scale of
Speaker 2: one to forty one, forty one being the most confident,
Speaker 2: one being the least confident. Now, I've got a formula
Speaker 2: for this, and I talked about it on last year's show.
Speaker 2: It is not my formula. I've adjusted it over the years,
Speaker 2: but this originally comes from our friend East Coast Elliott,
Speaker 2: who used to listen to the show. Now he's got
Speaker 2: a bunch of kids and I don't think he's got
Speaker 2: the time to.
Speaker 1: Do so oh gotcha button.
Speaker 2: Elliott was adamant about reversing the order of confidence. So,
Speaker 2: for example, if you go to our Bowl confidence pool,
Speaker 2: the way that ESPN has pre ranked it for you.
Speaker 2: It starts with the Celebration Bowl on December sixteenth between
Speaker 2: North Carolina A and T and Grambling, a fun game.
Speaker 2: It starts by putting that as number one, which means
Speaker 2: if you get the game right, if you pick the winner,
Speaker 2: you only get one point. Elliott's idea was that you
Speaker 2: should You could flip that and instead of waging only
Speaker 2: one point on a game that a lot of folks
Speaker 2: don't pay as close of attention to, you should put
Speaker 2: forty one points on that. And for that matter, you
Speaker 2: should put the most points. You should front load it
Speaker 2: on a lot of the games that people may not
Speaker 2: pay as much attention to, because typically that's where you
Speaker 2: see bigger mismatches. So I've been trying it for a
Speaker 2: couple of years now, and I'm not going to say
Speaker 2: that I've won all the pools I've been in, but
Speaker 2: generally speaking, you finish in the top quadrant usually end
Speaker 2: up doing pretty well. So my only new wrinkle in
Speaker 2: relation to that formula is that this year, if you
Speaker 2: lost your coach, I'm putting fewer points on you, even
Speaker 2: if I think you'll win. Like Oregon's a really good
Speaker 2: example you lost your coach, but I still feel pretty
Speaker 2: confident that they're going to win. I'm just not going
Speaker 2: to wager as many points on you as I might normally.
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, there's there's a lot more wild cards without
Speaker 1: with interim guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in the case of SMU, I'm probably gonna
Speaker 2: go Louisiana Tech because you know, Chad Moore.
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in Jeff Trailer.
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right. I feel a little bit better
Speaker 2: about Mario Chris Ball than I do Jeff Trailer. But okay,
Speaker 2: let's start with the celebration. Bawl. They play it in
Speaker 2: Marcedes Benz Stadium.
Speaker 1: You say Marcedes like Marcedes lowis because if you did
Speaker 1: God bless Hi.
Speaker 2: I meant Mercedes. Excuse me now, I like that. The
Speaker 2: word police are out in full force here. This one
Speaker 2: is December sixteenth, at high noon on ABC. It is
Speaker 2: between the champions of the Mid Eastern Athletic Conference at
Speaker 2: eleven or zer North Carolina A and T and the
Speaker 2: champions of the Southwestern Athletic Conference Swack. Yeah, the Swack,
Speaker 2: the Grambling team that comes in at eleven and one
Speaker 2: for the record. The points bread here is nine and
Speaker 2: a half in favor of North Carolina A and T.
Speaker 2: I love watching this game every year day, and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of tradition here. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Normally I go grambling, but I'm gonna admit here that
Speaker 2: I don't know a whole lot about either team, and
Speaker 2: the fact that the odds makers favor so heavily North
Speaker 2: Carolina A and T has definitely swayed me. So if
Speaker 2: I were a betting man, I'd go Grambling plus the points.
Speaker 2: But because Vegas seems to be strongly in favor of
Speaker 2: North Carolina A and T, I'm gonna go North Carolina
Speaker 2: A and T for thirty six confidence points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go with en Cat as well. Ty,
Speaker 1: I'm going to end Cat. And before we started recording
Speaker 1: Full Disclosure, you and I were talking about all the
Speaker 1: shifts that North Carolina A and T employees on both
Speaker 1: sides of the barmore right. You were talking about the
Speaker 1: effects that had on a lot of defenses that they've faced. So,
Speaker 1: because you seem so confident before we hit record, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with North Carolina A and T.
Speaker 2: The shifting is reminiscent of the Washington Redskins back in
Speaker 2: the Techmos Super Bowl days.
Speaker 1: It's true, It's absolutely true.
Speaker 2: Let's go North Carolina A and T We agree here
Speaker 2: unanimously on the podcast. Yeah. Then as we get into
Speaker 2: some FBS schools, we start as we often do. On
Speaker 2: December eighteenth, one pm. It's on ESPN. Do they still
Speaker 2: do Capital one Bowl week? Is it's still a Capital
Speaker 2: one thing? I don't know if this counts as bowlwik
Speaker 2: I think this is. This is a little bit before
Speaker 2: Bowl week, the RNL carriers New Orleans Bowl. This one's
Speaker 2: in the mirror Sades Benz Superdome in New Orleans. It
Speaker 2: is between Troy at ten and two. It's a team,
Speaker 2: not a person. They are a six and a half
Speaker 2: point favorite over the North Texas Mean Green Dan. What
Speaker 2: kind of gift situation are we looking at here in.
Speaker 1: Front of me? It says gift suite and fossil watch.
Speaker 1: So unclear what's in the gift suites?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm thinking. I have not looked at
Speaker 1: this at all. I promise you, I swear upon tacos.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is going to be a heavier
Speaker 1: Bluetooth year. It feels like it's we're going that way
Speaker 1: because we don't have phone connectors, right, and newer iPhones
Speaker 1: and Android devices.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of Beats wireless earbuds, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sensing that's going to be the case, AirPods whatever,
Speaker 1: and I listen, those things might be in the gift
Speaker 1: suite across. You know a lot of these bulls have
Speaker 1: gift suites. So I'm gonna go ahead and guess heavy bluetooth.
Speaker 1: Portion of the heavy bluetooth.
Speaker 2: I could see echo dots, I could see any of
Speaker 2: the voice activated technology.
Speaker 1: I hate that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, what's the Google thing called the mini Google
Speaker 2: Google Express. Yeah, they have a name for the mini
Speaker 2: Home so Google Express or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Google. We are definitely spying on you and
Speaker 1: collecting data, right exactly, just says gift suite and a
Speaker 1: fossil watch. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So okay, Troy beat LSU this year.
Speaker 1: They did.
Speaker 2: That has to count for something in this game, right, sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They have a good coach who has been rumored
Speaker 1: to be taking jobs perhaps in that region, Neil Brown.
Speaker 1: They run the ball well, they stop the run really well.
Speaker 1: They are unbelievably efficient as for scoring points when they
Speaker 1: get into the red and green zone. So within the
Speaker 1: twenty and forty, I think they were like number one
Speaker 1: in the country something crazy. So Troy does a lot
Speaker 1: of things really well and that helped them to have
Speaker 1: a huge win over LSU.
Speaker 2: They're number one in the country. I believe at stopping you.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what it is. Yeah, they're on Their defense
Speaker 1: is unbelievable and stopping yeah, number one in the nation.
Speaker 2: When your team gets inside the forty on them, they
Speaker 2: don't let you finish drives. North Texas is interesting though.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting matchup because the Mean Green doesn't play
Speaker 2: a whole lot of defense, but they are really good
Speaker 2: on offense, led by Seth Latrelle, another hot name in
Speaker 2: the coaching world.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: So they're extremely young on offense, watch out for them
Speaker 2: next season. But you bring up a really good point
Speaker 2: about Troy. They're very efficient, they're very defensive minded. They
Speaker 2: won't buoiwl you away with their offense, but they're good
Speaker 2: enough to get it done. They're good enough to keep
Speaker 2: you out of the end zone. I'm going Troy here
Speaker 2: to the tune of forty points, Dan.
Speaker 1: I am, I'm gonna go Troy as well. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: more in the thirty region. Okay, but yeah, North Texas
Speaker 1: has had a very nice year, a great comeback story.
Speaker 1: Mason find a smaller quarterback I think. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's six feet tall. A little mistake prone, but a
Speaker 1: great year. Spreads the ball around pretty evenly. Love the
Speaker 1: steps that they've taken. But yeah, going with Troy.
Speaker 2: The Auto Nation Cure Bowl, Cure Bowl, Dan Cure Bowl,
Speaker 2: oh Okay, Camping World Stadium in Orlando, December eighteenth, at
Speaker 2: two thirty pm Eastern Time on CBS Sports Network. We've
Speaker 2: got a match up here between Georgia State at six
Speaker 2: and five. They're a five and a half point favorite
Speaker 2: over the Hilltoppers of Western Kentucky at six and six.
Speaker 2: What's our all important gift situation for this game, Daniel?
Speaker 1: So we've got a watch. It's unclear who makes the watch,
Speaker 1: but that's a time watch. Yeah, you got a backpack
Speaker 1: always useful, you know, if nothing else. You can put
Speaker 1: your audio equipment in there when you travel to podcast
Speaker 1: on the road. Sure, warm up suit pants and jacket?
Speaker 2: All right? Fair?
Speaker 1: Goodbye?
Speaker 2: Now it says warm up suit pants and jacket. Mm hmm,
Speaker 2: suit pants. I don't think that's I think that's unfortunate wording. Okay,
Speaker 2: warm up pants and jacket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a dry fit shirt, long sleeve shirt. Okay, it
Speaker 1: seems redundant, but okay, that seems useful, good for training.
Speaker 1: And a hat unclear if it's a top hat on here.
Speaker 1: If it's a newsboy hat unclear, if it's a beanie,
Speaker 1: but there is a hat.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a choice of hat styles.
Speaker 1: Games in Orlando, so not a lot of not a
Speaker 1: lot of travel for Western Kentucky or Georgia State.
Speaker 2: Right right, that's an okay, gift situation, utilitarian. Both teams
Speaker 2: here limped to the finish Georgia State lost their last two.
Speaker 2: Western Kentucky lost four of their last I am swayed
Speaker 2: a little bit by the fact that A I love
Speaker 2: the Western Kentucky mascot, deal Hilltopper, my firs. In college football,
Speaker 2: Western Kentucky's been pretty good the last couple of seasons,
Speaker 2: even though they did limp to the finish year. And
Speaker 2: let's be honest, I got to put thirty nine points
Speaker 2: of confidence behind my boy. Future Notre Dame coach Mike Sanford,
Speaker 2: junior at Western Kentucky, Future Notre Dame coach, potentially interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Western Kentucky an okay offense because Mike White
Speaker 1: was back, below average defense, was an ugly loss to
Speaker 1: FIU at the end of the year. Butch Davis, they
Speaker 1: don't according to the sp plus, don't have a top
Speaker 1: seventy win on the year, which is not anything. I
Speaker 1: love to see. Georgia State an above average defense, pretty
Speaker 1: good versus the run, but they themselves also no real
Speaker 1: good wins, can't themselves run, but an efficient passing team
Speaker 1: of times wide receiver Penny Hart, he's five eight, he's awesome.
Speaker 1: He had a really good game at ORCS a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, actually I remember. And also he sounds
Speaker 1: like porn star. Yeah, Penny Harts. So there's that. I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go Georgia State here, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Georgia State.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Western Kentucky. Okay, I'm gonna go against
Speaker 2: the Panthers. Now, we actually have a very vocal group
Speaker 2: of Georgia State listeners to the soliverbal Hell. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: shout out to you guys who have been fighting the
Speaker 2: good fight for a while. I'm on your side. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I am too. I'm just gonna go Western Kentucky here.
Speaker 1: Okay, gotta fud spread again.
Speaker 2: Five and a half in favor of Georgia State.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's ride that.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the Las Vegas Bowl, a game of
Speaker 2: particular interest Sam Boyd Stadium out there in Vegas, December eighteenth,
Speaker 2: at three point thirty pm Eastern on ABC, We've got
Speaker 2: your Oregon Ducks at seven and five. They are a
Speaker 2: seven point five point favorite over the Boise State Broncos.
Speaker 2: What does a gift situation here? Dan?
Speaker 1: There is a gift suite on clear what's in there?
Speaker 1: An Oakley backpack and tag? That's pretty good that I
Speaker 1: just assume some sort of like very solid identification card
Speaker 1: attached to the backpack.
Speaker 2: Oakley backpack and tag. Okay, I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: a tag. I don't know if i'd want to label
Speaker 2: that here, but the tag, I think it's sort of
Speaker 2: like a dog tag. It looks like attached to the backpack. Okay,
Speaker 2: what else if.
Speaker 1: That excites you? Great rockham socks, which I just googled
Speaker 1: because what is this rockham socks are? I was really
Speaker 1: hoping there were socks with speakers in tooth speaker socks
Speaker 1: they are not. They're just socks with various prints of
Speaker 1: sports teams and whatever pop culture things. So rock them socks.
Speaker 1: So I assume they're like, I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Bowl themed or Oregon ducks and Boise State
Speaker 1: Bronco theme socks.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm looking at these, at these right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: these are loud socks, Dan, I'm.
Speaker 1: Looking them up. So they do. They are befitting of
Speaker 1: the name. They're Oh my god, yeah, they really rock.
Speaker 2: They do. There's a lot of rock in here. I
Speaker 2: do like the Miami turnover chain socks.
Speaker 1: These Oregon socks are dope. I might order these, Actually.
Speaker 2: I just don't know when i'd wear them.
Speaker 1: You don't know when you'd wear what any of these?
Speaker 1: Why wear many day to work? Who cares if.
Speaker 2: I showed up wearing a turnover chain sock? Dan, Do
Speaker 2: you think that would advance my career? You think the
Speaker 2: CIA is going to care? The CIA won't care? All right?
Speaker 1: They are these are good looking socks. So is their
Speaker 1: Notre Dame socks. Notre Dame is not a partner. It
Speaker 1: doesn't look like the Penn State socks we have. You've
Speaker 1: got like, yeah, you've got a nitny lion, You've got
Speaker 1: just the logo everywhere. You've got like a weird white out.
Speaker 1: I guess theme sock. That's pretty cool. They are a
Speaker 1: pretty that Yes, so the rock'm socks and a beanie
Speaker 1: the beanie.
Speaker 2: Okay. Boise was very solid this season. They won the
Speaker 2: Mountain West. Defensively, they're very good against the run. I
Speaker 2: trust in Justin Herbert though more than anything else on
Speaker 2: the field, and that's truly a weakness for Boise defense
Speaker 2: this year against the pass that I think is what
Speaker 2: Mario crystal Ball is going to go after. And I
Speaker 2: think Oregon feels pretty good about the fact that they'll
Speaker 2: be retaining him as the coach. A lot of players
Speaker 2: on that team, I would think, would want to close
Speaker 2: out strong to try and state their case for the
Speaker 2: next season. Sometimes when you got a new coach coming in,
Speaker 2: guys tend to take the Bowl game off. I don't
Speaker 2: think that will be the case now with crystal Ball
Speaker 2: being retained as the head guy. So give me Oregon here.
Speaker 2: I won't go as heavy on Oregon as I would
Speaker 2: typically go in a game like this, just because of
Speaker 2: the coaching change, but I still feel pretty confident. Twenty
Speaker 2: seven points for me, all.
Speaker 1: Right, so yes, you're totally right. Boise. Very solid after that,
Speaker 1: real gross for j loss. They finished the season winning
Speaker 1: eight of nine, all pretty comfortably other than the shootout
Speaker 1: against Colorado State, who they themselves have a pretty awesome offense.
Speaker 1: I think we'll get to it in a minute. They
Speaker 1: held six of those seven teams that they beat after
Speaker 1: Virginia under twenty, so defensively, very solid, especially versus the run.
Speaker 1: Really good up front. They held Fresno State under twenty
Speaker 1: in the Mountain West Championship game. They're very good at
Speaker 1: limiting big plays, and Oregon is a big play offense,
Speaker 1: a big play team. You can throw on them, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, but not downfield a ton. You can sort
Speaker 1: of keep throwing it through the air because that's what
Speaker 1: throwing is, but you can keep the ball moving through
Speaker 1: the air. Boys is a good team. They're just a
Speaker 1: flat out good team. I'll be curious to see. I
Speaker 1: think it's Alexander Madison. He's been beat up and he
Speaker 1: got beat up against Fresno State, so he had a
Speaker 1: good year at running back. We'll see if he's healthy
Speaker 1: enough to play against Oregon. Brett Rippons sort of reclaimed
Speaker 1: that job after losing some time to Montel Cozart, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh and Cedric Wilson very good receiver for Boise. Oregon
Speaker 1: of course when Justin Herbert is healthy, very much look
Speaker 1: like a top twenty twenty five team as they closed
Speaker 1: out the season in very strong ways. So I think
Speaker 1: Oregon's going to be excited for this game, excited to
Speaker 1: start the Mario Cristobal era. But it is I think
Speaker 1: you're right. It's always pretty dicey with an interim coach.
Speaker 1: I never know, but yes, this is the beginning of
Speaker 1: a new era without having time to really figure out
Speaker 1: who you are. And so now Willie Taggert gone. I
Speaker 1: think Marcus Arroyo, who is the quarterbacks coach, has been
Speaker 1: promoted to offensive coordinators. So I don't know who will
Speaker 1: be calling plays in this game because Willy Taggert was
Speaker 1: the primary play caller for Oregon during the season, so
Speaker 1: I think there's an adjustment period. I'm actually gonna go
Speaker 1: with Boise here. I think Boyse went out to win
Speaker 1: out right. I think Boise is a little more structurally
Speaker 1: sound right now. I don't love Brett ripping against this
Speaker 1: past defense but yeah, I think so. I think there's
Speaker 1: just there's too much transition in Eugene right now. I
Speaker 1: think Oregon's can be very good next year. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go Boise here just because things appear to be
Speaker 1: and I'm just terrified of Oregon in the Vegas Bowl.
Speaker 2: Bad history. Okay, interesting we disagree here, then we do?
Speaker 2: Is not for sure you'd be on my side, but
Speaker 2: very Now let's go to the guilden New Mexico Bowl, Dan, Yes,
Speaker 2: they play this in dream Style Stadium in Albuquerque. What
Speaker 2: is What is dream Style Stadium? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Dream Style Stadium? Is that one word dream Style?
Speaker 2: All one word dream Style? Okay, this makes for great
Speaker 2: content while we're doing research in the middle of a recording.
Speaker 1: But so dream styles remodeling, windows and home improvement. Okay, Phoenix, Albuquerque,
Speaker 1: you can get some stucco. It's all happening at dream
Speaker 1: Style free advertising, Okay.
Speaker 2: Guild in New Mexico Bowl, December eighteenth, four thirty on ESPN,
Speaker 2: Colorado State at seven and five. They're a five and
Speaker 2: a half point favorite over the Marshall Thundering Herd, also
Speaker 2: at seven and five. Damn, what's our gift situation? Here.
Speaker 1: We have a gift suite, So who's to say? But
Speaker 1: I guess if it's in New Mexico, maybe some some
Speaker 1: green chili burgers. I don't know, I really, who's to say.
Speaker 1: Oakley Sunglasses, which I think is very solid. Oakley five
Speaker 1: Speed backpack, Okay, I don't know exactly. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's a bicycle situation. I don't know, Dan, I
Speaker 1: look this up.
Speaker 2: Okay. I read to you from the Amazon review posted
Speaker 2: by a gentleman named Jeff Nichols. Title, It's a bag, baby,
Speaker 2: this bag. What can I say about this bag? Well,
Speaker 2: it's functional, but I'm not one hundred percent in love
Speaker 2: with it. It's very thin and light, so it doesn't
Speaker 2: feel very rugged. However, I'm not taking it in any foxholes,
Speaker 2: so that should be okay. I wish it had more
Speaker 2: storage pockets inside the larger compartments. I also wish it
Speaker 2: had a key tether like many bags in this class.
Speaker 2: That said, I do get compliments when using it. Okay,
Speaker 2: there you go, five Speed, one of which is a compliment.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jeff.
Speaker 1: That's for you. Thundering Herd and ram players lit Tumblr.
Speaker 1: So some sort of you know question membriages question.
Speaker 2: Question, Yeah, is it a tumbler that's lit or a
Speaker 2: lit brand tumbler?
Speaker 1: It looks like lit brand tumbler. Capital L lowercase I,
Speaker 1: capital T. I don't understand the significance of that unless
Speaker 1: it's just a logo. But they look like solidly built containers.
Speaker 2: It looks like it may have the Louisiana Tech logo
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: It does. It is very reminiscent of that. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: stay hydrated with this thing. Lit tumbler Beanie guilden stadium
Speaker 1: blanket because you know what, it does get cold if
Speaker 1: it does go So give that to your relatives. There's
Speaker 1: a cap and there's a fidget spinner. I assume a
Speaker 1: guild in New Mexico bulls fidget spinner. Have you have you.
Speaker 2: Tried the fidget spinner thing yet?
Speaker 1: I have. I don't own one, but I've played with one.
Speaker 2: A solid wife got one at a conference, and I
Speaker 2: must say it is weirdly satisfying to play with the
Speaker 2: fidget spinner.
Speaker 1: I imagine, So yeah, weirdly focus.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we've got a game here that I'm not
Speaker 2: very confident in to be one hundred percent truthful. I've
Speaker 2: only got eleven confidence points on this, and perhaps it
Speaker 2: does buck my formula a bit, but I just I
Speaker 2: really was uncomfortable breaking hard in one direction or another
Speaker 2: because this is a strange matchup. According to Bill Connolly's
Speaker 2: numbers is SMP plus team metrics, Colorado State has the
Speaker 2: fourteenth most efficient offense in the country. The issue for
Speaker 2: them is their ninety seventh ranked defense in terms of efficiency. Sure,
Speaker 2: if you flip it on the other side, but the
Speaker 2: same measure, Marshall is one oh five on offense and
Speaker 2: twenty second on defense. So we've really got strength against
Speaker 2: strength here. I'm going to go for Marshall and the
Speaker 2: Thundering Herd. Wow, just because over the course of the season,
Speaker 2: to me, it looks like they've played better teams and
Speaker 2: they've hung with just about everybody. Haven't always won, as
Speaker 2: evidenced by their seven to five record, But this is
Speaker 2: not a team that gets blown out by anyone, and
Speaker 2: they clearly have the better defense on the field. So
Speaker 2: give me the Thundering Herd here a long way away
Speaker 2: from home in Albuquerque. But let's go Thundering Herd.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, So you know what I love, ty. I
Speaker 1: try to mention this at times during the season, maybe
Speaker 1: not so much this year. I love altitude. Albuquerque five
Speaker 1: thousand feet in the air, about a mile high, right,
Speaker 1: Colorado State Fort Collins five thousand in change up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good altitude game here. I don't know
Speaker 1: how high Marshal is, but there's something about Colorado State.
Speaker 1: Favored by five and a half, so the over unders
Speaker 1: about sixty, so they're seeing like a thirty two to
Speaker 1: twenty seven type game. I think the best thing in
Speaker 1: this game is Colorado State and maybe just how complete
Speaker 1: their offense is. I like the fact that Nick Stevens
Speaker 1: is returning. You know, the coaching situation seems to be
Speaker 1: pretty consistent. They've got a Broils I believe it was
Speaker 1: not Broyles, excuse me, the receiver one Cough Award finalist
Speaker 1: and Michael Gallup. I like this Colorado State team. I
Speaker 1: know their defense can be trash at times, but I
Speaker 1: think the best thing in this game is the combination
Speaker 1: of altitude and offense al defense. So give me the Rams,
Speaker 1: give them by about a touchdown, and I think a
Speaker 1: healthy degree of confidence high twenties.
Speaker 2: Dan. I just discovered that the altitude of Atlanta is
Speaker 2: one thousand and fifty feet.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Where I'm going with this is how it might affect
Speaker 2: our Ping pong clash at the live show.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. The altitude of Allentown is a robust three
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty eight feet above sea level. What's Brooklyn?
Speaker 2: Thirty three? Dan? So we're going to have to deal
Speaker 2: with at least at a minimum seven hundred extra feet.
Speaker 2: How might that affect the ballflight? Oh? Wow?
Speaker 1: This, I'm going to take this into my calculations. Huntington,
Speaker 1: West Virginia five hundred and sixty four feet above sea level.
Speaker 2: All right, so they're dealing with at least forty five
Speaker 2: hundred additional feet.
Speaker 1: Some changes tie there. We winded.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the final game on December eighteenth, the
Speaker 2: Raycom Media Camellia Bowl. They play this one in the
Speaker 2: Crampton Bowl in Montgomery, Alabama. It's at eight pm on
Speaker 2: ESPN on December the eighteenth. We've got the Red Wolves
Speaker 2: of Arkansas State against the Is it still the Blue
Speaker 2: Raiders of Middle Tennessee?
Speaker 1: I believe?
Speaker 2: So seven and four against six and six. Arkansas State
Speaker 2: is a four point favorite. Dan gift situation.
Speaker 1: Please the gift situation four, the Raycom Media Chamellia Bowl
Speaker 1: Gift Suite, OK DOK Fossil Watch, Beanie Osgio coming back
Speaker 1: in heavy Yeah, our old pals. Ohgo Big Game autograph football?
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: You know who has signed it? I don't. I assume
Speaker 1: Big Game is the brand. But there is an autograph
Speaker 1: football I probably autographed by the head of Raycom Media.
Speaker 2: It's a guy named ray Coon who's autographed the football.
Speaker 2: Invaluable so by the transitive property. Middle Tennessee beat Clemson, Dan.
Speaker 1: Because they did beat Syracuse early.
Speaker 2: They beat Syracuse early on in the year, I think
Speaker 2: week two, and Syracuse went on to beat Clemson. I
Speaker 2: trust in the Justice Department though, Dan. Hell Yeah, And
Speaker 2: by that people say by that I mean Justice Hanson.
Speaker 2: He's the six four, two hundred and eighteen pound junior
Speaker 2: quarterback for the Arkansas State Red Wolves. He had thirty
Speaker 2: four touchdown passes this year. I thought about going with
Speaker 2: Mitsu here, but the deeper I looked into it, I'm
Speaker 2: a red Wolfer all the way through. Give me Arkansas State,
Speaker 2: give me the Justice Department and Justice Hansen to the
Speaker 2: tune of thirty eight confidence points here, I like Arkansas State.
Speaker 1: The Arkansas State was an S and P plus top
Speaker 1: twenty five team. They were pretty decent at a lot
Speaker 1: of things. Justice Hanson, of course, the big dual threat
Speaker 1: transfer from Oklahoma. A little bit sloppy at times with
Speaker 1: the ball, but put up so much in the way
Speaker 1: of offense. The defense for the red Wolves pretty solid,
Speaker 1: I think, despite Middle Tennessee's pretty decent defense, particularly versus
Speaker 1: the run, and the fact that Midsoo we still supposed
Speaker 1: to call them mitsu I don't even know, you know what.
Speaker 1: The bright spot had a first name, Tie what was
Speaker 1: his name? His name is Tie Tailee. Pretty good receiver
Speaker 1: from Middle Tennessee despite a disappointing offense. So that's a
Speaker 1: that's a nice little shine there. But he'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Arkansas State as well here too solid all around.
Speaker 2: Fair enough. Let's move on to December nineteenth, at seven
Speaker 2: pm on ESPN Florida Atlantic coach by one Lane Kiffen.
Speaker 2: They won their conference. They went ten to three. They're
Speaker 2: a twenty two and a half point favorite over the
Speaker 2: Zips of Akron, who come down to Boca with a
Speaker 2: mark of seven and sixteen. This is called the Cherubundy
Speaker 2: Tart Cherry Boca Ratone Bowl, and they play it at
Speaker 2: Florida Atlantic's home football stadium in Boca. Mm hmm, so
Speaker 2: clearly they've got home field advantage. But I must ask you,
Speaker 2: what the hell is the Cheru Bundy tart cherry sponsorship
Speaker 2: of this bowl? What is that? Exactly?
Speaker 1: So they are sort of, it appears, spreading the benefits
Speaker 1: of the health benefits of tart cherries. They sell tart
Speaker 1: cherries and tart cherry juices and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: They're they're like the cherry equivalent of has avocados.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think they are pushing the health stuff, even avocados.
Speaker 1: It's much more like this is delicious spread it on,
Speaker 1: you know, tacos and toasts and whatever. This is much
Speaker 1: more like tart cherry juice helps you with faster muscle recovery,
Speaker 1: sleeping issues and stamina issues and gout. Is that true
Speaker 1: gout as well?
Speaker 2: I believe?
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, well there's your gout report from ty
Speaker 1: hilden Brant for the week. So there's that. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine this bowl cost a ton to sponsor because Cherubundy
Speaker 1: does not seem like a household name. But if you
Speaker 1: are interested and have again stamina, gout, sleeping or muscle
Speaker 1: recovery issues. Now there is a solution, allegedly, and that
Speaker 1: is the cherubundy tart cherry juice. So Akronflord Atlantic Helping
Speaker 1: with You, Tie, helping with you. Gift wise, there is
Speaker 1: an online gift suite and then quote an assortment of
Speaker 1: bowl branded items.
Speaker 2: Which basically means all the cherries you can eat, yes,
Speaker 2: which is fine.
Speaker 1: Do you like tart cherries? Do you like cherry pie?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm a cherries forget all thought. You can get
Speaker 1: some a good slice of tart cherry pie at this game,
Speaker 1: I would hope.
Speaker 2: So the only problem with cherry flavored anything is that
Speaker 2: it turns your mouth a deep shade of red.
Speaker 1: It does, it does. Luckily we're married.
Speaker 2: Tie. That's right. But you can't go into a professional
Speaker 2: setting after eating like a cherry snow cone.
Speaker 1: Have you found yourself in many post snow cone professional
Speaker 1: situations all the time? Time, I haven't had a snow
Speaker 1: cone in a long time time.
Speaker 2: Summers get humid here in eastern Pennsylvania. You know this,
Speaker 2: that's true. Gotta do what you can. Akron Florida Atlantic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a home game for Lane h The S
Speaker 2: and P Plus actually has them as number twelve in
Speaker 2: the country. They do talk about talk about a quick
Speaker 2: turnaround for Lane Kiffin. I gotta I gotta go hard
Speaker 2: Fau here. They're my top team on the board, forty
Speaker 2: one confidence points. I'm unloading the clip here, going all
Speaker 2: in on the Owls. Owls of Florida Atlantic give me Fau.
Speaker 1: So the important thing to remember is this is the
Speaker 1: only college game on the nineteenth, right, Correct, this is
Speaker 1: the only game and that's middle of the week. I
Speaker 1: want to say, that's a Tuesday night, Okay, So that's
Speaker 1: where that's where America's college football eyeballs will be. And
Speaker 1: Fau offensively lead on the ground. Devin Singletary was wonderful.
Speaker 1: They're one of the best rushing teams in the country.
Speaker 1: They weren't all right, passing team degenerate some bigger plays.
Speaker 1: The defense wasn't fantastic, but I'm listen. Akron had like
Speaker 1: a pretty interesting year. They were shut out by Penn State. Correct. Correct,
Speaker 1: They exclusively lost to pretty good teams like top fifty
Speaker 1: teams they played for the MAC Championship. The defense is
Speaker 1: not good at all, which worries me about the matchup
Speaker 1: against the Owl's rushing attack. They were okay preventing big plays,
Speaker 1: but they again awful against the run, awful against the past.
Speaker 1: The thing that is the saving grace is that the
Speaker 1: prevention of big plays and they force a ton of turnovers.
Speaker 1: Their their turnover margin was very good, even though there's
Speaker 1: a luck quotient to that. The fact that though it
Speaker 1: is that only game, the fact that people will watch
Speaker 1: this because Lane Kiffin is a name is offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: Kendall Briles is a known person. I think they were
Speaker 1: going to want to score sixty points. I think they
Speaker 1: want to win this game sixty to fifteen just to
Speaker 1: sort of drum up interest. So I think FAU wins big. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pushing forty from me confidence points wise.
Speaker 2: And then finally the the XL Frisco Bowl. They play
Speaker 2: this one at Toyota Stadium in Frisco, Texas. What what
Speaker 2: is DXL? Have we looked this up yet? It sounds
Speaker 2: like it could be a knockoff of the XFL.
Speaker 1: Oh. DXL is a Big and Tall men's clothing company
Speaker 1: that makes that's a great bowl sponsorship company.
Speaker 2: Big and Tall casual mail. Yeah, Wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: DXL Frisco Bowl. It's in Texas. These these clothes again,
Speaker 1: not a sponsor. This is just my opinion, not necessarily
Speaker 1: the opinion of the show. They look pretty sharp.
Speaker 2: This is a fantastic sponsorship full game.
Speaker 1: All of the muddles on this page look like James Corden.
Speaker 1: That's cool. I'm sure he would find DXL to be
Speaker 1: very comfortable and stylish.
Speaker 2: D XL quietly a very good sponsor for a bowl
Speaker 2: game with a lot of big and tall casual men. Hm.
Speaker 1: They get this is sweet. They get a gift suite.
Speaker 1: This game is played in the stadium where the FCS
Speaker 1: Championship is.
Speaker 2: I believe Toyota STATEIU. It's correct, Yeah, Frisco Texas. I
Speaker 2: am going to go Louisiana Tech here. It's a game
Speaker 2: on the twentieth of the twentieth of December. Excuse me
Speaker 2: on ESPN between SMU, who just lost their coach. They're
Speaker 2: a five point favorite against Louisiana Tech. I've only got
Speaker 2: twelve confidence points on this one, Daniel, because I'm not
Speaker 2: super confident in it. But the fact that SMU just
Speaker 2: lost Chad Morris to Arkansas is something that I definitely
Speaker 2: took into account here. So even though the numbers might
Speaker 2: favor SMU and my favorite SMU actually a little bit
Speaker 2: more than the points spread, I am going to go
Speaker 2: Louisiana Tech out right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's SMU did not finish the season in a
Speaker 1: strong fashion. That's when they had the best teams on
Speaker 1: their schedule, pretty much with UCF, Navy, Memphis, and Tulane.
Speaker 1: They win Tulane, they win the Tulane game, excuse me
Speaker 1: to finish out the year. But no, not a good
Speaker 1: end of the game. They give up thirty one, forty three,
Speaker 1: and sixty six. I don't love Lousana Tech. After a
Speaker 1: really fun season in twenty sixteen, they had a good
Speaker 1: win over UTSA to finish. They run the ball well.
Speaker 1: A couple of good names on this team, by the way,
Speaker 1: Boston Scott oh runs the ball for Louisiana Tech and
Speaker 1: out wide Teddy Veal, Teddy Teddy Deal, Yes, a definite
Speaker 1: good receiver. I don't like their defense all that much.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with SMU here. It's a much more,
Speaker 1: much more of a home game situation for the Mustangs.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be playing with some emotion for
Speaker 1: Jeff Trailer, who at least a chunk of this team
Speaker 1: hopes gets promoted to the head coaching job. Two thousand
Speaker 1: yard receivers and Trey Quinn and Courtland Sutton. So I
Speaker 1: feel good about sm I think they can have some
Speaker 1: success over the top. I love Corylan Suton could be
Speaker 1: a first round he'sah really good. Yeah, he's got, he's big,
Speaker 1: he's fast, he's he's an extremely fun receiver. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with SMU here. I think they ride the
Speaker 1: local flavor.
Speaker 2: I do like that pick. It makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go I'm gonna stick to my formula here,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go against the team that is changing coaches.
Speaker 2: A bit fair, okay, perhaps a bit of a state
Speaker 2: of disarray for SMU, But Louisiana Tech for me, smooth
Speaker 2: for you. We disagree on the final bowl game of
Speaker 2: our first Bowl previews. So here's the way that this
Speaker 2: is going to work now because of what's coming up
Speaker 2: now in the coming days and weeks, We've got a
Speaker 2: bunch more Bowl games to get through, thirty three of them,
Speaker 2: to be exact. We're going to be doing those in waves,
Speaker 2: So our next recording will be on next Wednesday, or
Speaker 2: I guess this coming Wednesday will be our next show,
Speaker 2: and then from that point forward it'll be every Wednesday
Speaker 2: through the end of the year. We'll of course have
Speaker 2: a preview of the playoffs, We'll of course have a
Speaker 2: preview of the National Championship game, and our normal review
Speaker 2: of the National Championship game the day after. But the
Speaker 2: schedule will shift a little bit here as you and
Speaker 2: I both try to catch our breath and do the
Speaker 2: necessary research to cover all these games.
Speaker 1: And I would add, we can promise that these shows
Speaker 1: will be pretty meaty. Oh yeah, we're not going to
Speaker 1: be submitting thirty three minutes shows. No universe, we don't
Speaker 1: do anything like that.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: We will be previewing a bunch of games, still reviewing news.
Speaker 1: I think we'll try to get some cues to a
Speaker 1: yea ayah situations in the mix. So these will be
Speaker 1: meaty shows that hopefully we'll be able to stretch you
Speaker 1: throughout your holiday travels.
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Speaker 1: The snacks, I don't think hard alcohol is going to
Speaker 1: be a thing, no, no, no, what you know afterwards,
Speaker 1: who's to say we're going to have a bar situation.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if local brewery, local foods, whatever you got,
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Speaker 2: Also the shirt thing we're working on, and finally, make
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Speaker 2: By the time you and I get through all of
Speaker 2: these games, I think most people will have their bowl
Speaker 2: situation in pretty good working order, like they'll have made
Speaker 2: the picks and a lot of the proper confidence points
Speaker 2: for those picks. But we can still talk through them
Speaker 2: in waves as we typically do here on the show.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: Well, this was fun going through eight bowl games with you.
Speaker 2: We've got many more to discuss on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: What are the ones that we're going to discuss on Wednesday?
Speaker 1: Do you have them in front of you? Can we
Speaker 1: preview the preview we can?
Speaker 2: So on Wednesday, we've got the Bad Boy Mower's Gasparilla Bowl.
Speaker 2: I think it's Gasparilla God that double lit. I like
Speaker 2: going with that pronunciation, though, Bahama's Bowl, Famous Idaho Potato Bowl,
Speaker 2: the Birmingham Bull, Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bull, Dollar General Hawaii,
Speaker 2: Zaxby's Heart of Dallas, Quicklean Cactus, walk On's Independence Bowl,
Speaker 2: and the New Era Pinch Stripe Bowl. So we've got
Speaker 2: a healthy plate of games before you on our next broadcast.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're saving the Foster Farms and the outdoor
Speaker 1: the whatever the Texas Bowl is yes for the following show, okay, correct,
Speaker 1: I will try to if I can go through his agent,
Speaker 1: if I can go through his PR people, because I'm
Speaker 1: going to be leaving. I will still be doing the
Speaker 1: shows because I'm going to LA, but I'll be leaving
Speaker 1: New York. I will try to bank a sit down
Speaker 1: tie with the Bloomin Onion. Oh well, great ahead of
Speaker 1: the Outback Bawl, just to see where his head is.
Speaker 1: Ryan Nanny, who will be performing during the Outback Bowl
Speaker 1: festivities as the Bloomin Onions. So that will be an
Speaker 1: exclusive look ahead of the Outback Bowl for.
Speaker 2: That guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,
Speaker 2: Tye Hildebrandt, thanks for tuning in to this latest edition
Speaker 2: our first Bowl preview of Bowl season twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: He will talk to you all again on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: In meantime, stay silent, Pece