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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nola.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We are joined as always with our super producer Dylan

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Speaker 4: the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You

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Speaker 4: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 4: want you to know. If you are listening to our

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Speaker 4: strange news program the evening it comes out, Welcome to Monday,

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Speaker 4: November eleventh. We have a lot of strange news to

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Speaker 4: get to tonight. Thought maybe we could start with a

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Speaker 4: little bit of good news for our cold open. Did

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Speaker 4: you guys remember our earlier brief conversation about the mystery

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Speaker 4: song that was played in Germany?

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Speaker 5: I do not recall.

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Speaker 4: All Right, So, decades ago a German team recorded a

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Speaker 4: song that they heard on a radio.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: You know how listeners of a certain age might have

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Speaker 4: a cassette tape that you used to record radio broadcast live.

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Speaker 4: This has become the most mysterious song on the Internet,

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Speaker 4: and it was finally solved quite recently by a couple

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Speaker 4: of intrepid researchers on Reddit. The name of the song

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Speaker 4: to spoil it is Subways of the Mind by a

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Speaker 4: band named f e X And I don't know if

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Speaker 4: you guys just real quick for a cold open. If

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Speaker 4: you guys are okay with it, can we play a

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Speaker 4: brief clip of this song? I want to see if

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Speaker 4: it's familiar. Absolutely, that's just the opening part. Quick question.

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Speaker 4: Does that sound familiar to either of you guys?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: Is it a U two song?

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Speaker 6: It just sounds vaguely late eighties. I don't know, kind

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Speaker 6: of new wave issue. Well, I don't remember the context

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Speaker 6: of this. Where were people hearing this? What's the mystery?

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Speaker 6: And why should people care?

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Speaker 4: Yes, people care because people like mysteries, and we care

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Speaker 4: because we like good news and we like mysteries being solved.

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Speaker 4: This first came into the zeitgeist in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 4: Internet user Darius S recorded this from a radio broadcast

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Speaker 4: in Germany and posted it on a website that tracks

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Speaker 4: down mysterious songs, and people have been looking for it forever.

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Speaker 4: It went viral again in twenty nineteen when I think

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Speaker 4: a kid in Brazil uploaded the song to YouTube, and

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Speaker 4: everybody was trying to figure out where the song came from.

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Speaker 4: We do know it was a band named f EX.

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Speaker 4: The song is called Subways of the Mind, and one

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Speaker 4: sixty eight years old, now released the song confirmed the identity.

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Speaker 4: So one mystery solved a little bit of good news.

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Speaker 2: Oh ray, can you imagine having some song that you

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Speaker 2: even more, and it gets resurfaced and who is this?

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Speaker 2: It's amazing and it's just something you did in basement.

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Speaker 6: It was me or maybe it was just like a

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Speaker 6: you know, like I said, like mid late eighties kind

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Speaker 6: of stuff. But what's the country of origin of this band?

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Speaker 4: The country of origin is Germany.

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Speaker 5: Oh, there you go.

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Speaker 6: It sounds yeah, one d percent And the name FMEX

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Speaker 6: is very kind of kroud rock vibes. But that's so funny.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, there's a million songs that probably

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Speaker 6: It's interesting that it became such a thing, because I'm

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Speaker 4: So this time, of all times, we wanted to start

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Speaker 4: off strange news with a bit of good news. We're

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Speaker 4: going to get to a lot more less happy solved mysteries.

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Speaker 4: There's a mystery in Oklahoma. Uh, there is a bit

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Speaker 4: of hard justice on the part of one or Northern

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Speaker 4: Europe's favorite furniture manufacturers. But before we do any of that,

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Speaker 4: our cold open And when we return, we're going to

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Speaker 4: talk squirrels.

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Speaker 6: And we have returned with today's first piece of strange news,

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Speaker 6: and along with it, before we get into it, I

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Speaker 6: I think that a viral internet squirrel may have swayed

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Speaker 5: You guys know about Peanut.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've heard the name, and I've seen it

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Speaker 2: in headlines for a couple of days. Now. I have

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, sure, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the squirrel doesn't necessarily have personhood, as is evidence

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Speaker 6: by the way the government treated it. But he does

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Speaker 6: have a person, a quite beefy fellow, often shirtless, by

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Speaker 6: the name of Mark Longo, who resides in a beautiful

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Speaker 5: Called Pine City.

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Speaker 6: It is, in fact, y'all against the laws of New

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Speaker 6: York State to possess or to keep, to have as

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Speaker 6: a squirrel peanut. The squirrel was rescued several years back

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Speaker 6: when Mark witnessed its mother being hit by a vehicle

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Speaker 6: and the tiny squirrel known as a kit by the way,

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Speaker 6: didn't know that. That's the thing I learned from a

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Speaker 6: really great article on vox by alex Abad Santos, leaving

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Speaker 6: the little peanut, who was nameless at the time, for dead,

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Speaker 6: I believe, with the piece of his little tail severed

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Speaker 6: So, Mark, who has a passion for mussels and tattoos

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Speaker 6: him indoors in his home, which is quite a sizable

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Speaker 6: piece of property. It's referred to in a lot of

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Speaker 6: of reports that Longo was keeping wild animals as pets.

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Speaker 6: In this particular case, the wild animals in question are

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Speaker 6: Peanut the squirrel and Fred the raccoon. Fred the raccoon

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Speaker 6: In conducting this raid, officers involved were told basically that

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Speaker 6: During the course of executing this, I guess, search warrant

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Speaker 6: he would be seen doing fun stuff with his his

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Speaker 6: it was often them hanging out together. And an interesting

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Speaker 6: twist on this is that Mark Longo kind of parlayed

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Speaker 6: name Squirrel Daddy. Uh So, Yeah, Mark a long ago

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Speaker 6: completely legal and absolutely within you know their rights to

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Speaker 6: do it. It has become a significant source of income

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Speaker 6: for folks that do this, and and obviously there are

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Speaker 6: certainly not one of them. It is important to know, sir.

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Speaker 6: I thank you, Matt. I was about to say, it

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Speaker 6: is important to note that the squirrel had nothing to

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Speaker 6: was only featured on the Peanut the Squirrel Instagram account.

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Speaker 6: And just really quickly, just to give you a sense

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Speaker 4: You might wondering, Yeah, just interject, Yeah, I only know

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Speaker 4: about your earlier question you asked. I only know about

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Speaker 4: Peanut because of the Instagram account, which I found in

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Speaker 4: endearing and in Longo's defense, Noel, I am under the

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Speaker 4: impression that he released the animal, released Peanut into his

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Ben, that's that's entirely true. He did make every

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Speaker 6: was able to parlay his success on the Only Fans

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Speaker 6: account into starting an animal refuge of his own. They know,

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Speaker 6: the raccoon, he decided to take it upon himself and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's incredible.

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Speaker 4: The Peanuts Freedom Farm Animal Sanctuary. I do think it's

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Speaker 5: It's a noble pursuit and an amazing name.

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Speaker 6: And when the news came out that Peanut the Squirrel

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Speaker 5: Money that Longo.

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Speaker 6: Could use it if he needed to pay for legal

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Speaker 6: the DEEC. On October thirty, ath DC seized a raccoon

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Speaker 6: and squirrel sharing a residence with humans, creating the potential

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Speaker 6: for human exposure to rabies. In addition, a person involved

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Speaker 6: with the investigation was bitten by the squirrel to test

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Speaker 6: for rabies. Both animals were euthanized. And there's there's a

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Speaker 6: pretty telling quote from the Vox article that I mentioned

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Speaker 2: Well, and if you go into a house during a

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Speaker 6: Longo himself actually said he had been bitten multiple times

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Speaker 6: No matter how much you domesticate them or, as you

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Speaker 4: Definitely, definitely a interesting expenditure of finite government resources right

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Speaker 5: See anyone can mock that up on photoshops.

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Speaker 2: Dang well, no matter how you feel about the election,

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Speaker 6: And I think Peanut the Squirrel should be an apolitical issue.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned, guys, I've got two very specific stories.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely is the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.

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Speaker 2: Correct. And in East Germany there were a lot of issues.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it had to do with the newly

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Speaker 2: imposed government structure, of the societal structure that rested on

440
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Speaker 2: one side of that wall versus the other. And in

441
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Speaker 2: the East German side it was. It was communists. That

442
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: word is so strange, and it's been it's been used

443
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Speaker 2: and weaponized and manipulated so much. But it was the

444
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Speaker 2: Soviet controlled side of a split city and the country.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just real quick, the name of that is the

446
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Speaker 4: German Democratic Republic from nineteen forty nine to nineteen ninety,

447
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Speaker 4: which means several of our fellow conspiracy realists listening tonight,

448
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 4: remember when the wall.

449
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Speaker 3: Fell and Mabe I got a piece of it.

450
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Speaker 4: Yeah, some of us are lucky enough to have a

451
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Speaker 4: little chunk of history in the form of debris from

452
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Speaker 4: the Berlin Wall. To your point, Matt, the question about

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Speaker 4: prison labor goes to the massive surveillance state that was

454
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Speaker 4: active in that vassal organization because the GDR was very

455
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Speaker 4: much a puppet of the Soviet Union, and as a result,

456
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 4: any descent or suspected descent you got cracked down on,

457
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 4: you got locked up, and just like here in the

458
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Speaker 4: United States, when you get locked up, the labor laws

459
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Speaker 4: don't really apply, so they'll put you to work.

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Speaker 5: It's fascinating.

461
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Speaker 6: The whole part of the story with the Stazi, you know,

462
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Speaker 6: like the secret police, and I was in Berlin a

463
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Speaker 6: few years ago for the first time in my life

464
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Speaker 6: and with the dear friend Frank of the Friend of

465
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Speaker 6: the Show, and we went to the Stasi Museum, which

466
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Speaker 6: is actually housed in this compound in Berlin, which would

467
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Speaker 6: have been East Berlin where actually you know, functioned at

468
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Speaker 6: the time. It's like an office park, and they kept

469
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Speaker 6: a lot of the furniture the same, and you can look.

470
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Speaker 5: It's really cool if anyone's.

471
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Speaker 6: Ever there, highly record checking out, but they demonstrate and

472
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Speaker 6: have on display a lot of the crazy kind of

473
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Speaker 6: trade craft spy gear that they used.

474
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Speaker 4: And just one last point there too, to interject quickly,

475
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Speaker 4: you can see the economic consequences of that Cold War divide.

476
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Speaker 4: Even now like East Berlin and East Germany are still

477
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Speaker 4: struggling with some things from that time because history is

478
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: way closer than it looks in the rear view mirror.

479
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Speaker 2: Oh jeez, Okay, So let's take these things and then

480
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: connect them somehow to IKEA. So there were a lot

481
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Speaker 2: of human beings that opposed that force the Stazi, this

482
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Speaker 2: this overwhelming thing that is telling you what you can do,

483
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: what you can say, what you can think, really.

484
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Speaker 4: Not even opposed, just had things that were off message

485
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Speaker 4: and the Stasi found it out.

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Speaker 2: That's a really great way to put it. People who

487
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Speaker 2: were just living their lives and now this new machine

488
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Speaker 2: is in and says your life doesn't match up with

489
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Speaker 2: our machine. Something that's got to give. We're going to

490
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: send you to prison. As you said there, Ben, you

491
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: would literally go to prison for doing things, stuff that

492
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Speaker 2: like we've heard of in I was gonna say in

493
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Speaker 2: China and the DPRK, places where when you when you

494
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: say things you're not really supposed to say out loud

495
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: out even you could get in trouble to the point

496
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Speaker 2: where you might wind up in a jail, a prison,

497
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Speaker 2: or in a camp. Essentially that is for manufacturing, like

498
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Speaker 2: literally a factory, a prison factory. So that's all occurring.

499
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Speaker 2: And this is nineteen forty nine to nineteen ninety. So

500
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Speaker 2: one of the things that the government over East Germany

501
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: realized is that we've got all these prisoners, we can

502
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Speaker 2: use their bodies literally as a machine to create stuff,

503
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Speaker 2: to manufacture goods. And they made a lot of things.

504
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Speaker 2: Think in your mind to maybe news stories you've heard

505
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Speaker 2: growing up about places, I mean places all over the

506
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Speaker 2: country like India, China, Taiwan, Malaysia countries where there is

507
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Speaker 2: access to relatively cheap labor compared to other countries in

508
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Speaker 2: the world. Manufacturers, big corporations across the world look to

509
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Speaker 2: places like that to have parts manufactured and then have

510
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Speaker 2: those parts shipped over to other factories where they're assembled,

511
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Speaker 2: just like in the Boeing thing we were talking about,

512
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Speaker 2: because you can get those individual parts often for much

513
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: less money, right at the cost of human lives. Really,

514
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: your product gets to be cheaper, and that is exactly

515
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: what East Germany realized they could do with their prison population,

516
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: and corporations, big companies across the world, not just Ikea,

517
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: realized that they could have stuff manufactured on the cheap

518
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Speaker 2: in these prisons and they would make gangbusters with the MSRP.

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Speaker 6: But Matt, I think I might have a question that

520
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Speaker 6: some of our listeners might be having as well. Don't

521
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Speaker 6: we assemble Ikia furniture ourselves once we buy it?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

523
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Speaker 2: But what well, that is absolutely correct. You, as the

524
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Speaker 2: end user of much of Ikea furniture and goods, assemble them.

525
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Speaker 2: But the individual slats on a bed you buy from

526
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: Ikea have to be produced specifically to order, right, The

527
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: smaller pieces of metal and other pieces of wood and plastic,

528
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: and all those things have to be assembled somewhere in

529
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Speaker 2: a factory. Those were the things, the smaller things that

530
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Speaker 2: were being assembled by prisoner labor. So it was a

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Speaker 2: known thing that prison labor was used in a lot

532
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Speaker 2: of these different companies. But other companies, you know, especially

533
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Speaker 2: like Ikea that has a long history, some of them

534
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: didn't even necessarily realize that this had been occurring. And

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Speaker 2: that's whether or not you believe, you know, the official

536
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Speaker 2: statements of giant corporations. But Ikea especially said they were

537
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Speaker 2: unaware of this until they were notified, and then they

538
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Speaker 2: had Ernst and Jung do a full audit of their company,

539
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: full investigation, and they found that as recently as the

540
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventies and eighties, prisoners were producing furniture for.

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Speaker 4: Ikea, and that investigation only began in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: Correct, correct, very recently, well, fairly recently. And only now

543
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Speaker 2: after all of this investigation is Ikea saying, hey, we're

544
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Speaker 2: willing to compensate victims of this practice.

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Speaker 6: But is there I mean, maybe I'm barking up the

546
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 6: wrong tree here, but in the United States, well, it's

547
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 6: not particularly a good pr look for a corporation to

548
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Speaker 6: be found to be using prison labor.

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Speaker 5: It's not illegal.

550
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Speaker 6: So as the law, I don't understand what is creating

551
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Speaker 6: this need to compensate. It just seems more like a

552
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 6: PR debacle. But like we hear all the time about

553
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Speaker 6: prison labor being used for private industry here in America.

554
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not about it being illegal at least if

555
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: you listen to you know, folks from Ikea who are

556
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Speaker 2: representing the company we're talking about this, and folks from

557
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Speaker 2: the Union of Victims Associations of Communist Dictatorship or the UOGK,

558
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Speaker 2: which has also been it's been quoted as something else

559
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Speaker 2: in other places. That's according to CNN.

560
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you go to European sources or UK sources

561
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: because they're different now apparently you will see it also

562
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Speaker 4: referred to as the Union of Victims Associations of Communist tyranny.

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Speaker 5: Got you.

564
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Speaker 2: Oh, But the whole point is it's not illegal. It's

565
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Speaker 2: like shame, right, It's like our company did something shame

566
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Speaker 2: the PR.

567
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Ikea is not legally compelled to donate this. H

568
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Speaker 4: what'd you say, Matt, six million euro.

569
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Speaker 2: Six million euros exactly, it's towards a new government fund

570
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Speaker 2: that's being established for compensation specifically for victims of East

571
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Speaker 2: German dictators.

572
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Speaker 6: And I'm not meaning to completely belittle the company of

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Speaker 6: Ikea by saying it's a PR move. I mean there's

574
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Speaker 6: more to it than that. I've always found Ikea. I mean,

575
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Speaker 6: as far as corporations ago, I don't have much bad

576
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Speaker 6: to say about Ikea.

577
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Speaker 5: I think they're pretty cool.

578
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Speaker 6: I like going to Ikea, I like their products, and

579
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Speaker 6: it does seem like they pay their employees well. And

580
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Speaker 6: I've never really heard too much scuttle but about you know,

581
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Speaker 6: nastiness on the corporate level.

582
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Speaker 4: So the cafeteria slaps are so good. You know, I

583
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: still think the guy who lived in Ikea for a

584
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 4: while is a ridiculous hero. Shout out to you man

585
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Speaker 4: for getting away with it. But also, you know, internal motivations.

586
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Speaker 4: Aside whether or not this is a PR stunt, it

587
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: is still ethically a good thing to do.

588
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think so, I agree with you.

589
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Speaker 2: And let's actually look at the words officially from Ikea.

590
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Speaker 2: This is from Walter Kadener, who's CEO and Chief Sustainability

591
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Speaker 2: Officer at Ikea Germany. This is a quote We deeply

592
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Speaker 2: regret that products for IKEA were also produced by political

593
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Speaker 2: prisoners in the GDR. Since it has become known, IKEA

594
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: has consistently worked to clarify the situation. We have given

595
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Speaker 2: our word to those affected that we will participate in

596
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Speaker 2: providing support. We therefore welcome the implementation of the Hardship

597
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Speaker 2: Fund and are pleased to be able to keep our promise,

598
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Speaker 2: which is kind of cool.

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Speaker 6: I think it's really cool as far as corporate acts go,

600
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Speaker 6: you know what I mean, it does seem pretty relatively humanitarian.

601
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Speaker 5: We made a mistake, We're going to make it right.

602
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And it is weird too because in those prisons, guys,

603
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 2: it's not just you know, political prisoners that opposed the thing.

604
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Speaker 2: It's also people that likely should have been imprisoned because

605
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: of crimes. So it's like it is, you know, it

606
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: all becomes a very uh, you know, a complicated situation.

607
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: The thing that we need to keep in mind and

608
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Speaker 2: to think about for future episodes and maybe updates, guys,

609
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Speaker 2: is that according to Rayner Wagner, who is the uo

610
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Speaker 2: KG chair, and that's the organization that is you know,

611
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Speaker 2: looking into this stuff and trying to figure out which corporations.

612
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: We're doing this, he says, this is just the tip

613
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Speaker 2: of the iceberg. He's saying that there are a lot

614
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Speaker 2: of other companies that benefited specifically from this prisoner labor,

615
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Speaker 2: and others need to at least be thinking about it.

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Speaker 4: And let's also point out, folks, we are well aware.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we did an episode on this or

618
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Speaker 4: even a conversation in Strange News, but we are well

619
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Speaker 4: well aware that the founder of Ikea was an absolute

620
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Speaker 4: genius at dodging taxes for a long long time, and

621
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Speaker 4: for a time he was the eighth wealthiest person in

622
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Speaker 4: the world so far as the public news. So we're

623
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Speaker 4: not saying Ikea is perfect. We're saying it appears they

624
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Speaker 4: did the right thing in this instance.

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Speaker 3: Is that fair to say, guys?

626
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Speaker 5: I think so.

627
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Speaker 6: And I was just going to say, I mean, you know,

628
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Speaker 6: by many metrics and the ability to figure out ways

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Speaker 6: around paying more tax is considered, you know, good business.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying I agree with that, but that is

631
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Speaker 6: certainly a perspective, and it's certainly not illegal unless it's

632
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Speaker 6: done illegally, which is called tax fraud or tax evasion.

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Speaker 2: There we go, guys, there's another story here that I

634
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about, but we don't have time. So

635
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Speaker 2: and guys, I think I saw a listener mail message

636
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Speaker 2: come in about that, So why do we save that

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Speaker 2: for our listener mail episode?

638
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Speaker 5: I thought I taught a putty that it.

639
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 2: Has to do with some weird resignations. We'll get into

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Speaker 2: it for now. Let's hear a word from our sponsor

641
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Speaker 4: And we have returned for the final act of our

643
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Speaker 4: weekly strange news segment. Let's do a cavalcade of some

644
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Speaker 4: good stories, some bad stories, some wild stories, dare we

645
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Speaker 4: call them strange? We were talking about this a little

646
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 4: bit offline in a group chat that we engage in occasionally.

647
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Speaker 4: The US Department of Justice says they caught a guy

648
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Speaker 4: who was going to use a quote weapon of mass

649
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Speaker 4: destruction to destroy an energy facility in Nashville.

650
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Speaker 3: This is Skylar.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what Skyler said when they caught him.

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Speaker 5: Okay, seriously, I love it.

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Speaker 4: May as well, because we're looking at a situation that

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Speaker 4: might not get as widely reported for a little while.

655
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Speaker 4: There's a lot going on here in our neck of

656
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 4: the Global Woods. A twenty four year old from Columbia, Tennessee,

657
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Speaker 4: Skyler Philippi phi l Ippi, was arrested by the FEDS

658
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 4: and charged with this attempt to use a drone laden

659
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Speaker 4: with explosives to destroy an energy facility basically a power

660
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Speaker 4: plant out in the Nashville, Tennessee area.

661
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Speaker 2: Uh, we're calling that. They they called that a weapon

662
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Speaker 2: of mass destruction.

663
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Speaker 5: It was C four. Oh god.

664
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Speaker 4: Oh. Actually, the way it's reported by the DOJ is

665
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 4: this kid believed it was C four because the C four,

666
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 4: or the purported C four was supplied by the federal

667
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 4: government itself.

668
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just like an M eight inside some clay.

669
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Speaker 4: By undercover agents. Yeah, we're talking about this. This feels

670
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: like maybe he got played from the jump pretty well.

671
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Speaker 3: And it reminded me.

672
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Speaker 4: Wanted to share this with the group because it reminded

673
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Speaker 4: me of our earlier episode years back, even before we're

674
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Speaker 4: doing strange news and listener mail segments on whether the

675
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 4: FBI is manufacturing terrorist Yeah, remember that with the with

676
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: the mosque where they tried to radicalize and make some

677
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 4: some guy went to a mosque, they tried to make

678
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: him a terrorist through some undercover stuff, and then the

679
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 4: mosque reported it to the FBI who was running that

680
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 4: same agent.

681
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I remember that. It sticks in your

682
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: mind because it just feels like such a strange tactic.

683
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: But I remember that also happening with what would be

684
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: called white supremacist groups or like white nationalist groups, where

685
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: somebody goes in and says, hey, I got a lot

686
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: of explosives, and it's an FBI agent, And like, what

687
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: happens if that FBI agent doesn't go in there and says, hey,

688
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: I've got explosives? Do they ever come up with that

689
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: on their own?

690
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 3: Right?

691
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: Especially considered? I mean, because at that point you'd be

692
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Speaker 4: looking at some homemade stuff, or you'd be looking at

693
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: a military supply chain, which is not impossible unfortunately, but

694
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 4: you could track.

695
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: That stuff, right maybe at least coming you know, if

696
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 2: somebody's ordering a bunch of fertilizer and stuff, and I'm

697
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: assuming the Bureau is watching that stuff pretty closely.

698
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's their job to do that, right.

699
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 4: So this guy, I love that you bring up, well,

700
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Speaker 4: I don't love it, but it's very accurate. They're bringing

701
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 4: up white supremacist ideology. Scalar Philippi was uh, came onto

702
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 4: the FBI's grid, you know, across the five Eyes or

703
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 4: the Eye of sour on there, because of comments online,

704
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: because of associations with known white power groups, because of

705
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 4: a manifesto that he shared in part with the undercover

706
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 4: FBI agents who contacted him.

707
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Speaker 5: I love a good manifesto. I's just putting that out there.

708
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 5: I've been writing this thing.

709
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 6: Hey, you gotta have some craft, you know. I mean,

710
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Speaker 6: I hate a bus snoozer of a manifesto.

711
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: You know, hit asking for notes on your manifest.

712
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 5: Wouldn't that be fine?

713
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: This guy had no opsec.

714
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Speaker 5: Uh.

715
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Speaker 4: We haven't read the manifesto in full at the time

716
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Speaker 4: of this recording. I don't believe the full language has

717
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: been released to the public, probably because he just got

718
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: arrested and has not yet been convicted. He definitely did

719
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 4: not vet the undercover agents who this is the pickle

720
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: of it, all right. So they find this guy, this

721
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 4: young man twenty four years old again and they have

722
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 4: embedded undercover operatives who are befriending him, glad handing him

723
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 4: and saying, hey, we love your writing. We have a

724
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 4: couple of notes, but you know it would be dope.

725
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: Tell us if you're actually planning to do something.

726
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: And then this.

727
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: Guy said, yeah, I am, I just need the following things.

728
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 4: And then an undercover operative said, that's interesting that you're

729
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 4: looking for that, because it turns out maybe we can

730
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 4: help you. So they got to the side of the

731
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 4: power station where this guy's going to do the attack,

732
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 4: and he was there with two undercover agents and then

733
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 4: they waited until they definitely saw like he thought it

734
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 4: was real, whether or not it was real as something

735
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 4: will come, you know, come to light. Later he thought

736
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 4: he really had a drone with these explosives, is about

737
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: to take it off, you know, puld my beer watch

738
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: this guy's and fly it into this power station, which

739
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 4: would have been terrible for Nashville. And then they arrested him.

740
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 4: They let him it all the way to that point.

741
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 5: I clever or.

742
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: SD like, think about the investigation. That's the best evans

743
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: you have. This guy thought he was doing the thing. Yeah,

744
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: but I didn't realize he was only twenty four years old.

745
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 4: They had to show the intent, which, again to previous conversations,

746
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 4: is one of the difficult things to prove. Is this

747
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 4: just an armchair internet troll? Is this an actionable threat?

748
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 5: Is this a political act?

749
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 4: Though Ben, it's a political act that the vast majority

750
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 4: of a marias would not agree with or understand. Well,

751
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: this guy's super into you know, white supremacy and like

752
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 4: the the Nordic oded myths, which are totally unrelated to

753
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: white supremacy.

754
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: By the way, I have to.

755
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 6: Do with power stations, though, is he just trying to

756
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 6: plunge us into a world of darkness?

757
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 5: Like?

758
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 6: Is this prophecy wish fulfillments?

759
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: Like the idea is is chaos ensues if you've got

760
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: darkness for an an elongated period of time.

761
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 5: I'm I guess.

762
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: Yes, the idea that's chaos.

763
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Speaker 5: But that affects the white people too, y'all. I don't understand.

764
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 5: This seems very misplaced, you know. I'm sorry.

765
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Speaker 6: I don't know why I'm trying to identify with the

766
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 6: motives of a seemingly mentally unwell person.

767
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Speaker 4: Well, it's it's interesting for that to be mentioned because

768
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 4: it shows us the dearth of long term planning for

769
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 4: that kind of thing, because a lot of times in

770
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 4: these sorts of groups, uh, the plan will be to

771
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 4: create chaos and then know that you're in group can

772
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 4: have their compound or their safe place for some sort

773
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 4: of time and then it's just I don't know.

774
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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, it a diversion where you then do a

775
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 6: second thing, or is the first thing the only thing?

776
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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

777
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 4: That's interesting too, because if you were operating in a

778
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 4: domestic terrorism kind of apparatus, then you wouldn't want everybody

779
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 4: to know what everybody else is doing. So maybe this

780
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: kid was a pawn in a larger plot, which is

781
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 4: quite possible. We know that bomb threats have been called

782
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 4: in across multiple states in the US quite recently, and

783
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: a lot of those have been traced to surprise Russian

784
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 4: email domains.

785
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: This also comes from the FBI.

786
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 6: Also heard today, I just mean a little bit unrelated,

787
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 6: but related that there were some attempts at voter disruption

788
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 6: of polling place disruption, calling in bomb threats that were

789
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 6: traced back to Russian operatives.

790
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

791
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: So what we know is the FBI in advance of

792
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 4: this election, which was for any non US conspiracy realists,

793
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 4: it kind of took over the news for a second.

794
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 4: In advance of this election for many different government positions,

795
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: the most notable of one, which would be the president

796
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 4: of the United States. The FBI said that there were

797
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 4: bomb threats targeting polling sites in multiple states that appear

798
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: to be first non credible, but two effective enough to

799
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 4: interfere with the voting process, and three pretty.

800
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 3: Much coming from Russia.

801
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: And this happens in step with weaponize social media and AI.

802
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 4: It really like, without getting to ideological, if we're talking

803
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 4: about the operational aspect of this, we have to acknowledge

804
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 4: that this kind of interference is going to continue, not

805
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 4: just in the US, but across multiple countries in multiple ways.

806
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 4: China's big in the game. We know a lot of

807
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 4: the Russian money hasn't stopped in terms of like be

808
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 4: concerned about elections in Central Europe, for instance, be concerned

809
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 4: about elections in Latin America. These conspiracies are real.

810
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, especially given the regime change on

811
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 6: the way here in the United States, and you know,

812
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 6: the incoming president's relationship with Russia and the fact that

813
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 6: they were often trying to prop him up and help

814
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 6: out his cause. I do wonder if this relationship is

815
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 6: going to be more one of foreign policy manipulation rather

816
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 6: than stuff within the United States.

817
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: I wish we could just do that thing where everybody,

818
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: let's countries vote on their own but then we see

819
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: what happens in places like Venezuela, where you know, maybe

820
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: that's happening and it doesn't matter.

821
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. I want more funny crime.

822
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: Is the thing moving on? Because I know right at

823
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 4: the time, here's a funny crime that I really liked.

824
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 4: There were these hackers over in France just a few

825
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: days ago who hacked Schneider Electric, big electric company, energy

826
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Speaker 4: company in France, and they stole something like forty gigs

827
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 4: of data from this engineering energy group. They penetrated what's

828
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 4: called their GRAS system j I r A might be

829
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 4: familiar to a lot of us from back in the day.

830
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 4: They when they broke in, they said, all right, we're

831
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: doing ransomware. This is a cyber heist. You have to

832
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 4: give us a ransom the equivalent of one hundred and

833
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 4: twenty five thousand US dollars in bum bum bum bagets.

834
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 5: Like the bread or is this some currency that I'm

835
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 5: not aware?

836
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: Hope it's the bread.

837
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 5: That's a lot of Now, well that is a lot

838
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 5: of bagats.

839
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Speaker 2: Hold on, is this a language joke? Like? Is it

840
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 2: a joke?

841
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: I think it's for the lulls.

842
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 4: I think they wanted actual bagets, and they said, look, you,

843
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: if you admit that we breached your system, then we're

844
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 4: going to cut the ransom in half. If you go public,

845
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 4: the ransom demand will be increased or decreased. Excuse me

846
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 4: to sixty two, five hundred US dollars worth of baguettes

847
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 4: and credit where it is due. I would love to

848
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 4: give a fantastic shout out to our pal Mark Tyson

849
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: over at Tom's Hardware for the best line of this.

850
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 4: When he's talking about the proposed reduction in ransom for

851
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 4: going public, he said, even with a fifty deduction, that's

852
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 4: still a lot of dough his back as his bread.

853
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: It's a bread joke.

854
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, wow, that's yeah, that's a lot.

855
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 6: I don't think you could use that many bagats without

856
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 6: them getting stale.

857
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 5: I think you'd run up against that problem.

858
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: Man.

859
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 3: You'd have to do some crew tion action.

860
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 5: Oh that means good. You could toast them and in

861
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 5: giant some sort of industrial kitchen situation, or perhaps pass

862
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 5: them out to like a like a Robin Hood type

863
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 5: situation or Jesus.

864
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ben, I just read the subtitle of that article.

865
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 5: Cake.

866
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: Can you read that?

867
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 3: Yes?

868
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 4: Thank you for pointing out Matt, hand over the dough

869
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 4: or your forty gigabytes of secret data.

870
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 3: Is toast stand that's good and tennessee.

871
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 4: Palin triforce, please please give us some weird sound cues

872
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 4: on that one.

873
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 5: Your bag ats all your life.

874
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 4: There's one last weird crime that we should talk about

875
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 4: very briefly. It is conspiratorial. It is indeed strange news.

876
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Speaker 4: If we travel over to Equatorial Guinea, we'll see that.

877
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Speaker 4: Just yesterday, as we record, the government authorities have said

878
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Speaker 4: they're going to install surveillance cameras in pretty much all

879
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 4: the government offices in response to a sex scandal with

880
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 4: a government official who slept with hundreds of people and

881
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: were slept with a bunch of people and recorded hundreds

882
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 4: of sex videos. This is Baltasar Ebang in Goonga, the

883
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Speaker 4: director of the country's National Financial Investigation Agency, just got suspended.

884
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 4: They found four hundred sex videos of him in multiple women,

885
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Speaker 4: some of them wives and relatives of other senior government officials.

886
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Speaker 2: Wow, this guy had the riz.

887
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, there is and the goods I mean, I mean

888
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 6: in terms of like using this as blackmail material, right,

889
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 6: I would imagine let's go to ap news.

890
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 4: They're still pretty legit by Emmanuel Dumanjong. Part of my

891
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 4: pronunciation there, Emmanuel, it's t u m a n jo

892
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 4: n g reported from Caberroon. It looks like the investigators

893
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 4: searched this guy's computer in Gonga as part of a

894
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 4: probe into alleged corruption and embezzlement, and while they were

895
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 4: looking for financial crime, they found this horde of sexual content,

896
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 4: more than four hundred individual videos. Unfortunately, it was not

897
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 4: clear at this time if these sexual activities were consensual.

898
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 4: It is not clear at this time if any women

899
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 4: depicted in these videos, because it was all him with

900
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Speaker 4: women had made formal complaints. This is yeah, this is

901
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Speaker 4: incredibly chaotic news for.

902
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: Getty because he's the National Financial Investiation Agency. So potentially,

903
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Speaker 2: and this is full speculation on my part, he could

904
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Speaker 2: be looking at let's say the husbands or the family

905
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 2: members of some of these women and saying, hey, I've

906
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Speaker 2: gotten you.

907
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah exactly.

908
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Speaker 4: And we also know, as this is still developing strange news,

909
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 4: we also know that the Prosecutor General, speaking in public

910
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 4: about this, Anatolio and zog Gimma said quote, the authorities

911
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 4: want to establish whether the man deliberately used these relationships

912
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Speaker 4: to spread a possible disease among the population.

913
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Speaker 5: What yikes.

914
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is where we get the surveillance cameras.

915
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 4: This is where we know that a lot of senior

916
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Speaker 4: officials are incredibly upset. The Vice President's office recently said

917
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 4: this denigrated the image of the country.

918
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: Uh.

919
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: These videos also flooded social media. Telecom companies have been

920
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 4: asked to quote kurb the spread of this media. He

921
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 4: is reportedly to the question about riz. He's reportedly nicknamed

922
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 4: Beyo or Bello b E l l o, meaning beautiful, okay.

923
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 3: Good looks. It's a rough one.

924
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 4: It's also a scandal to the point where we don't

925
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 4: know what the ultimate fall out would be. But I'm

926
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Speaker 4: thinking it's something like what if the what if the

927
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Speaker 4: head of the Federal Reserve got caught with all this stuff?

928
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Speaker 4: You know, what would happen here in the States?

929
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

930
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

931
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Speaker 4: We are not you know, none of us have been

932
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 4: to Equatorial Getty. We want to hear your quite if

933
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 4: you are from this part of the world or have

934
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 4: spent some time there, because it's such a red meat story.

935
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 4: Whenever they're they're these sexual allegations that you have to

936
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 4: always wonder about timing, you know what I mean. It

937
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 4: takes a while to make hundreds of these videos.

938
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Speaker 5: Right, hmmm, yeah, well no, I don't think about either.

939
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Speaker 6: But then the question is too, like where was he

940
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 6: storing them that you have like private servers?

941
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 5: What was the tech? I mean, maybe I'm overthinking it,

942
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 5: but like, right, what was his long game?

943
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 4: Is he cuckholding people just to be a jerk? You

944
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 4: know what I mean? It reminds me of some allegations

945
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 4: that came out with the recent Epstein recordings, which have

946
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 4: you if you're not aware of, folks. A journalist named

947
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 4: Wolfe has recently released recordings with the disgraced financier and

948
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 4: child abuser and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, and he got

949
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: these recordings a few years back when he was interviewing

950
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Speaker 4: Epstein about the subject of a book he wrote called

951
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 4: Fire and Fury.

952
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: Dude, and just to take it back in our own

953
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: episode to make it a nice little circle. Cuckolding was

954
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: one of the tactics that came forward to the FBI

955
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 2: and other agencies used to infiltrate white supremacist groups and

956
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: other like Black Panther movement and other things. They would

957
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Speaker 2: do that on purpose.

958
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Speaker 6: Well, and I think I know this term like and

959
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 6: as like a kink, you know, or someone wants to

960
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 6: watch someone else have sex with their partner, but it's

961
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 6: all consensual.

962
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Speaker 5: What do you mean by cuckolding in this term in

963
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 5: this context?

964
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Speaker 2: I don't think I understand in this case, like just

965
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: infiltrating a relationship, right, so that specifically your target, I

966
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: don't know, is weakened in some way psychologically.

967
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 4: Well not just weakened psychologically, but weakened operationally. What's kind

968
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 4: of like the best way to learn a foreign language

969
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 4: is to begin a romantic relationship with someone who speaks

970
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 4: that language. The best way to learn the inner workings

971
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 4: of someone, if you're targeting them, is to get inner

972
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 4: working source, and often that's someone in a romantic relationship

973
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 4: with that person.

974
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Speaker 2: It's like one of the most devious things a human

975
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Speaker 2: could do. Congratulations.

976
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also evil and psychologically damaging.

977
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Speaker 3: Just be honest with people, you know.

978
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 4: This is something that we're going to keep an eye on,

979
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 4: just to see if there is a conspiracy afoot. What

980
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 4: happens next? You tell us?

981
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Speaker 3: Folks?

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