WEBVTT - The Most Dramatic Morning After 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.319 Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema coming to you from the 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:17.239 home office in Austin, Texas. We are taping this the 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:18.079 day after. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.280 The morning after we are both on oh, I don't know, 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.040 six hours of sleep. We stayed up as the country. 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.960 Yeah sure, I'm one of the you know you and 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:28.960 I are both such news junkies. We had to stay 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.840 up and watch what happened. And I will say, no 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:35.800 matter how anybody feels this morning, I think I hope 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:37.720 it is going to be really good for our country 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:41.920 moving forward, that we didn't have a week long question 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.960 mark about the selection, that we did get those results 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.000 last night, just so that we can all try to 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:47.960 move forward together. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.240 Here's what we know like right now, Donald J. Trump 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.960 is the forty seventh president of the United States. The 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.880 Republicans are going to take the Senate. I think the 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.360 House is still somewhat in doubt at this hour that 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.400 we're taping the and it does look like he's probably 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.200 also going to win the popular vote for president. So 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.160 that's what we know heading into as far as the 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.679 details go. But we're not going to spin this podcast 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.679 talking about the details and the results. You can go 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:13.520 elsewhere for that. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.559 This is not here also for us, as we always 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.280 tell you guys, and we're not here to talk about 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.319 how we feel about the selection. But I think that 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:25.480 Chris and I have both been probably I mean, I'll 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.039 say it for me, tell me if you agree, babe. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.320 I've been more wrapped up in this selection than any before, 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.559 as I've said another podcast, because of the media, because 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.360 of how the media has acted, and so we wanted 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.320 to come on and talk about what these results mean 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:41.880 for the future of media. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.240 Because I think out of my entire life. Again, I'm 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.440 in my fifties, so I have been a part of 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.720 and seen many elections. Going back to Jimmy Carter. I 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.480 hate to say how old I am, but hey, Jimmy. 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.760 Still with us, member his family, said he was going to. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.800 Vote, he dropped the one vote for Kamala, and he 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.639 ended up losing his home state of Georgia. So Jimmy 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:06.320 Carter did not deliver Georgia. But two things that drastically 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:10.240 I have seen change in the last three elections, and 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.079 that's what you and I really wanted to dive into. 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.080 And I think this is something that has changed forever 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.519 more number one media number two, and this goes right 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.320 next to it, so that would be one. I guess 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.400 maybe in one A would be polling, which is a 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:29.520 part of the media. Those two things have been disrupted, 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.480 turned upside down unlike never before. And I don't and 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.320 you don't want to be too verbose that the day after, 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.360 but I think it's safe to say those two things 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.440 have been changed forever, and that's what we wanted to 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:44.559 talk about today. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.280 Yes, and I do think we also want to bring 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.000 up the celebrity part of it a little bit too, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:54.280 because us as journalists there it is I knew, I knew, 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:59.960 I knew your thoughts because we obviously covered entertainment journal 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.440 celebrity journalism. And you know, that's part of the reason 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.400 why we don't share our endorsements with you guys as well, 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.320 is because I don't know. I just think there's a 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.799 lot of a lot of places you can get news 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.040 and facts and media, and my biggest thing is to 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.320 encourage people to seek it out on their own and 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.840 to seek in this day and age, the source of 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.280 the information. To go watch the full interview, to go 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.480 watch the full clip, to not just judge based on 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.800 ten seconds you see someone grab on the internet. But 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.359 you know, Chris and I covered entertainment journalism. That means 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.160 we're trained in journalism. But I'm not going to go 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:34.960 out there and advise people on how to vote because 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.600 I the only politics I know is what's available for 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:42.000 everybody else to look into. So on that note, let's 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.280 get into the media. Let's get into our industry. Last night, 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:47.720 when we were watching you and I always flip back 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.200 and forth, we watched CNN a little, We watched Fox 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.040 a little, We watch MSNBC a little, We look on 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:53.600 Twitter a little, and we try to really get a 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:57.560 full picture. What was your overall reaction last night in 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.960 terms of the coverage of the results. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.440 The coverage of the results was actually what what again? 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:08.320 And what I found interesting is even the results as 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.120 they were coming in were obviously very partisan. As you 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.440 were watching CNN and MSNBC, they were much slower to 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:19.839 the take and the realization because Fox was calling states, 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:24.320 especially the swing states North Carolina, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin much faster. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:30.640 And Fox called Pennsylvania and then they called Trump as president. Yeah, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:37.080 I mean I would say hours. 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.080 There was and everybody knew that, and by the way, 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:39.880 the other stations knew that as well. They were just 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:41.800 kind of like letting people go to bed. And it 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.400 was really awkward last night because of the Harris campaign 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.559 and the way they kind of handled it was really 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.480 awkward of you guys, just go to bed. Everyone just 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.400 will see in the morning. And so it kind of 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.600 left MSNBC and CNN and the lurch because obviously. 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:56.200 They didn't have anything to cover. 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.960 As soon as he won Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania was 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.039 over because Nevada and Hawaii, like the dominoes had fallen, 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.760 and so she had no path out. So Fox called 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.719 it appropriately and quickly, and so it was really interesting 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.560 to flip back over and flip around last night. But 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:16.280 I will say they they handled exactly how you thought 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.920 they were going to handle it. CNN kind of muddled 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.920 about in the middle. They kind of took their shots, 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:30.159 but not so much that it was embarrassing. MSNBC, you know, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.320 more extreme, more extreme, yeah, Joy read Rachel maddout. But 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.000 those are the people, you know, they are extremists for 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.160 their side. If things had gone well, they would have been, 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.159 you know, gloating of what a referendum. It was for them, etc. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.039 Just like you would assume Fox did last night, and 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.040 that's essentially what they did. So everybody, I think played 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.320 their role, which is exactly why we have the problem 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:53.080 we have now. 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:59.160 I thought that CNN and MSNBC were so slow behind 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.279 Fox to keep people tuned in. Yeah, that's what they know. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:08.640 They know, especially in MSNBC, that their audience wanted Kamaa 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.440 to win, so they were keeping I mean, they want 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.120 those ratings that I thought they were so slow on 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.240 the declaration because they wanted people to keep watching and 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.039 keep holding onto hope that maybe their candidates winning, And 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.160 that's not the right thing to do. The right thing 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.360 to do is to report what is happening. They all 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.720 have the same numbers again, no matter how you feel, 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.360 they're all getting the same numbers. At this point. This 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.279 isn't a game on election night. It's not a game 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.760 of my source versus my source inside this or that campaign. 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.360 We're just all getting the same numbers. So you could 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:39.520 have all called it at the same time. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.000 It was interesting too. The person I felt for and 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:43.720 I don't know his name, the guy who runs their 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.320 electronic board, you know, like. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:50.120 On which channel on MSNBC Kernak think and by the way, 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:54.039 the three those people, Bill Hammer, Steve and then who 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:59.760 does guy, But the three gentlemen that handled the electronic boards. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:05.040 First of all, your geography, fellas is unbelievable. They all 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.839 need to teach a masterclass. But knowing the states, knowing 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.080 the counties, King, John King, those guys were unbelievable for 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.320 all three networks across the board. They were the stars 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.240 of the show because they're going in every county, every breakdown, 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.920 and in at three in the morning. They're not getting 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.760 lost in going back and forth between you know, two 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:28.720 thousand and four, twenty sixteen, like all the So kudos 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.960 to all of them. But what I felt for for 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.440 Steve over at MSNBC is he kept showing. He was like, yeah, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.800 Pennsylvania's read like, there's nothing I can show you that's 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:39.680 going to show you any different. And they're like, well, 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.880 it's just you know, ninety four percent is in. It's 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.600 just still too close to call. And he's just like, 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.520 I don't think it is, but you're right. They were 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.920 trying to stretch it out and I don't blame them 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.440 for that. That that to me, there wasn't bad journalism. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.880 They were very sensational and they were definitely leaning into 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.320 their sides last night, But that those three gentlemen crushed 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.600 it last night. It always amazes me how well they 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:03.400 handle the boards. 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.360 It was interesting. At one point we flipped onto Fox. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:11.400 Sean Hannity asked the question is legacy media dead? 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.640 After the selection and that started our debate. 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.800 And he was asking that question obviously because what people are, 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:23.640 what that question entails is look at how this these 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.200 two candidates were covered in this election cycle. Look at 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.600 you know, Kamala did sixty minutes, Trump didn't. Trump did 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.440 the Joe Rogan podcast, Kamala didn't. And he's kind of 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.760 pointing at how much does legacy media matter? Now. I 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.320 will say, for me, that question coming from Fox, and 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.319 I thought, maybe you and I view legacy media a 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.080 little differently. I group Fox in with legacy media too, 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.839 because so you do. Okay, to me, I'm like, broadcast 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.760 TV is legacy media. But maybe he meant literally the 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.880 old school networks versus the cable networks. And differently, you. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:54.679 Can't differentiate yourself, guys. It's like your you are mainstream media. Yeah, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:09:01.880 you're on team Fox CNN MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, They're 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.560 all I definitely put them all in the same basket 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:05.120 for sure. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:09.439 So the question is is legacy media dead because how 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:10.880 much did it matter in the selection? 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:15.559 My opinion, that's too extreme. It's not dead because last night. 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.680 We're going to look at the ratings in the next 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:22.600 days and I promise you what I think is dead 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.480 though we're not dead. But I think what has changed 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:34.920 dramatically is CBS, NBC and CBS. I do think the 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:40.760 networks took a huge hit, a massive, massive hit. I'll 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.760 be interested to see the huge ratings difference of who 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:49.040 watched the networks last night, who watched cable. I grouped 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.240 them all together in the mainstream media world, and I 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:52.560 think it's way too over the. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:59.440 Top to sa so networks are NBCs, ABC, Cable as Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:06.000 So my opinion is the networks did themselves a great 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.760 disservice this election cycle, and I think they went a 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:15.400 bridge too far sixty minutes the debates, just time and 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:23.479 time again, they showed themselves to be incompetent and not trustworthy. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.960 I think that's the best word, not trustworthy. And so 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:31.400 people I think ran more to their corners on the cables. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.640 They went to MSNBC, they went to see Ann, they 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.239 went to Fox. I think they have left in droves 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.360 from the networks, But I don't think you can say 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.520 across the board this huge broadbrush that legacy media is dead. 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.040 So on a daylight today, you know, we've been so 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.600 deep in the day to day of the election and 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.120 news and rallies and interviews and all that, and then 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:09.840 on today you start to think, years from now, what 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.679 will I remember. What will I remember about when the 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.640 results were revealed? And what will I remember about this 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.960 entire election cycle now that it's over. What will I 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.320 tell kids about, you know, years from now? And I 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:25.280 agree with you that it's the trustworthiness and most importantly 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.720 the ability to question and critique, which like them not 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.960 doing legacy media not doing that is what has lost 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:38.480 the trustworthiness. I think I think that I agree that 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.959 it's not totally lost. And here's why we didn't really 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.360 have We had two very different candidates here. And so 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.120 I don't know if this was the best test of 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:52.760 whether legacy media still matters, because I mean, it shows 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.079 that it's that they're flailing and they need to get 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.520 it together, but like, we didn't have like two brand 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.400 new candidates and where did each of them go? Because 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.320 to me, that would have been a clearer litmus test 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.400 on well, which platform really got the reach out. We 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.880 had someone who'd been VP, someone who'd been president before, 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.520 They're so different, were coming off of like, you know, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.040 you know, so much turmoil there. It was just such 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:20.240 an extreme situation with so many factors. But I will 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:25.920 remember Time magazine putting Kamala Harris on their cover without 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.320 interviewing her, right. That blew my mind. It was just 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.680 a few I don't even know if it was. It 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.920 was maybe within the first week that she'd been announced, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.320 and she was on the cover a drawing of her, 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.400 not a photo because they didn't get photo shoot with her, 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.560 a drawing and the headline was something like her and 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.000 I went to read it, I'm like, I'm interested. They 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.640 didn't get an interview with her, right, And that blew 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:54.680 my mind because what is that? That is journalism without critique, 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:59.160 without question, without analysis, without direct source material. That is 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:04.880 not journalism. I will remember that. I will remember no 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.440 one asking the question. In the first few days of 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.760 wait her approval ratings were at this and now she's 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.440 the candidate. We didn't have a primary. Let's analyze this 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.120 a little bit. And you and I have said this before. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.360 I think that hurt her as a candidate because the 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.720 American people looked at it and said, wait a minute, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.000 we have questions. Journalists are supposed to ask the questions 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.360 that the people are asking at home, and they didn't 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:28.640 do that. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:32.000 I think they did a great disservice to themselves. Obviously, 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.000 the major networks are in the bag for the Democratic Party. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.320 There is no more question. And I think this is 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.120 a very glaring error on their part. There is no 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:46.160 more question that they are biased. There is zero point 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.440 zero percent chance that you will get unbiased news on 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.000 a network. They showed themselves and I don't know whether 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.120 it was just Trump and his Wait, Trump and his 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:58.720 craziness just got the better of them. 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.280 Okay, well let me just clarify for the audience. First, 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.600 you mean networks? Are you including Cable and the Cable 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:04.760 Classic broadcast stas? 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.199 Listen? Yes, I'm talking. When I say networks, I mean 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.080 the big three, NBC, CBS. 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:10.280 What about the sixty minutes interview? 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.760 So they should be above it, all right, They're supposed 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:14.439 to be a bit of all. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.600 They're supposed to be totally unbiased. 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.240 Box, MSNBC, and CNN. They're biased. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.040 So we know that, we know they're slanted one right, 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:22.960 you get what you pay for. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.160 If you're listening to Rachel Maddow and enjoy Read, you 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.000 know you're you're in the echo and if you're listening 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.440 to Fox News, you want to be in that echo chamber. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.000 And a key difference to note for people is that 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:40.240 the broad old school broadcast networks, NBC, ABC, CBS, they 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.920 have licenses that they get, right, am I explaining this right? Yes, 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.080 and and that we and we helped pay for them. 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.280 And whether it was Tom Brokaw or you know whoever, 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:53.680 back in the day, there was this air of and 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.560 it's not that those people didn't have opinions, but there 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.400 was an air of we're not, we're not. The cables 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:03.320 were going to hold ourselves to a different standard. We 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.760 are going to be unbiased as much as we possibly can. 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.239 And there's the equal time rules. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:11.480 And equal time rules, which. 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.640 Because they have those licenses, and you talked. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.680 About things that happened, and there was this this slow 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:21.560 domino effect and I think the biggest glaring thing Joe 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.680 Rogan did an interview with Elon Musk in the closing days. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.600 It should have been Kamala Harrison, could have been Kamala 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.040 Harris and and Tim Walls. It wasn't. They denied him 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.760 the opportunity to interview him interview that go on that 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.680 his podcast. And it was interesting when Elon Musk went 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.640 on and they were they were chatting, he and a 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:45.880 Rogan and Rogan's like. The difference was when Tim Walls 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:51.560 lied about stolen valor, you know, his rank being a 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.560 head coach of his football team. He was not a 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.680 head coach of his football team. He was an assistant coach, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:57.400 which you may think, oh that's not a big deal. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:02.640 It is he Tanneman's being in Tan Square. Oh whatever. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.720 So he lied about his rank coaching, He lied about 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.280 so many things, and his time and time again was 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.400 I'm a knucklehead, me not so good with words. And 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.920 everybody just kind of laughed at this jolly old fella. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:21.040 And Rogan made a very great point. He said, nobody 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.240 called him on his sh Nobody called him on his bullshit. 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.280 Nobody said, sir, let's go further. What was it that 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.920 made you lie about your stolen valor that you you 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.800 said you were in action and you carried a gun 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:34.800 or a weapon a time. 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:35.800 That's not an answer. 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.360 Yeah, that's a lie. You lied. How did that happen, sir? 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.920 Was it something that was just maybe perpetrated and put 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:44.640 on you that somebody said it you kind of let 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.800 it go? Was it you misremembered? 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:46.920 Like? 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.440 What was it? Same thing with Tianem and Square. It's 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.760 like saying I was at the jfk assassination. That was 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.920 a pretty big moment in history, and so nobody pressed 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.680 him on, Okay, you're a knucklehead, sir, let's go deeper. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.240 But he never had that moment, and so Rogan and 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.560 I know Tim Walls wasn't running for president, but that 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.199 was just a microcosm of how poor the journalism was 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.439 and how much they were in the bag all along. 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.160 And there were so many moments, whether it was Leslie 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.080 Stall and going back to the Hunter Biden situation sixty 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.480 minutes this time around with the debacle that they had 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:22.760 the debates. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.880 Well, let's talk about the debates for a minute, because 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.119 I will remember going back to what well you remember, 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.159 I will remember the debates and we talked about it 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.240 on the podcast before, and that's where I think on 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.480 CNN did a better job with Biden and with Trump 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.720 back in that debate over the summer by just saying 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.560 we're not going to fact check either side, and that 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:46.240 came across more credible. And then the ABC debate with 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.520 Trump and Harris, that was when they only fact checked Trump, 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:55.560 and again, whatever your party is, that doesn't look good. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.879 People at home are going, well, wait a minute, what 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:02.160 fact checked them both? Then be consistent and have ethics 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.560 that you're standing on. And where did the I forget 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.600 where the Vance Waltz debate? What network that was on? 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:13.080 Was that on CBS? Yes, and same thing there, you know, 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.000 and JD. Vance had to call them out and say, 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:16.480 wait a minute. You guys said you weren't going to 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:17.960 fact check, and you are a fact checking and. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.440 You're wrong, and by the way, and your facts are wrong. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:26.040 So they're coming across fully on the democratic side. I 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.520 think that newsrooms have to look at that. I mean, 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.160 I don't know the exact number, but I saw statistic 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.439 the other day and I think everybody can is general 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:40.040 newsrooms are overwhelmingly democratic. They and the biggest thing, though, 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.520 the biggest thing is are you able to put that 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:48.200 aside and ask important questions and critique both sides equally 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.560 to your job. That's what it's all about. We're human. 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.399 It's impossible to not have a personal bias. And you're 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.440 an American. You get to vote, you get to care 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.679 about who's running your country, no matter what your job is. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:02.880 But can you put that aside? And I saw this, 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.040 I just about. 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:10.440 The giving about just about newsrooms, about ninety they went 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:15.200 through and they're like the donations to Democratic or Republican Party, 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.760 and it was like it was over ninety five percent 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:22.000 Democrats would donated to Democratic Party. And as you look 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.320 up what you're looking at, it's like even and I 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:29.440 would they did themselves and their party a disservice by 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.240 not doing their jobs. I think if they had done 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.960 their jobs, which by the way, they did, they holding 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.959 Trump and JD. Vance accountable actually did them a favor. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.720 They had to fight hard. And Trump even said it 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.080 last night in his acceptance speech. I sent JD into 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.320 the enemy territory. He would go into MSNBC, he would 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.040 go into CNN. He would go in enemy territory and 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:54.920 take it and take the beatings and the Democrats and 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.159 the legacy media did not provide that, they did not 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:04.919 give a test to Kamala Harris, and they allowed and 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.159 NBC brought this up last night. Did we all do 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.800 a disservice by allowing what essentially was a coup and 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.199 knocking Biden out of the race and just giving it, 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.359 handing it without without a debate, without a vote, without 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:23.720 anybody asking any questions. One day President Biden is great 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.359 and he's competent and sharp. The next day, Kamala Harris 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.960 is your candidate. Get over it and approval. I don't 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:35.120 blame the Democratic Party. That's that was their job of 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.360 to push whatever their agenda was. But the media went 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.680 along with it. They went full lockstep, and that did 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.320 a huge disservice to themselves, to the Democratic Party. And 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.040 if they think that people don't see that, don't feel it, 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:54.119 and don't notice and the continued gas lighting of telling 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:58.080 people you're seeing something and hearing something that you didn't 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.520 for example, and this wasn't a major change because by 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.200 now the election over, but even last week the Liz 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:08.160 Cheney hoax and the lie about when President Trump came 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.080 out and very clearly said you're sitting there in your 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.160 ivory tower, and you are you and your dad, Dick 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.040 Cheney love to send people to war, and you send 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.600 our brothers and sisters and sons and daughters to war. 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:20.720 You sit in your ivory tower. What would it be 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:22.080 like if the guns were pointed at you? 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:23.359 What would it be like if you were on the 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:24.440 front lines? Essentially? 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:28.240 Essentially? And you know, he said it in his Trumpian 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:32.080 style whatever, And they perpetrated this for a couple of days. 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.919 They tried to perpetrate this hoax that he threatened her life. 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.879