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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema coming to you from the

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Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas. We are taping this the

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Speaker 1: day after.

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Speaker 2: The morning after we are both on oh, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: six hours of sleep. We stayed up as the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah sure, I'm one of the you know you and

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Speaker 2: I are both such news junkies. We had to stay

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Speaker 2: up and watch what happened. And I will say, no

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Speaker 2: matter how anybody feels this morning, I think I hope

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Speaker 2: it is going to be really good for our country

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Speaker 2: moving forward, that we didn't have a week long question

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Speaker 2: mark about the selection, that we did get those results

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Speaker 2: last night, just so that we can all try to

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Speaker 2: move forward together.

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Speaker 1: Here's what we know like right now, Donald J. Trump

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Speaker 1: is the forty seventh president of the United States. The

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Speaker 1: Republicans are going to take the Senate. I think the

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Speaker 1: House is still somewhat in doubt at this hour that

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Speaker 1: we're taping the and it does look like he's probably

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Speaker 1: also going to win the popular vote for president. So

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Speaker 1: that's what we know heading into as far as the

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Speaker 1: details go. But we're not going to spin this podcast

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Speaker 1: talking about the details and the results. You can go

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Speaker 1: elsewhere for that.

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Speaker 2: This is not here also for us, as we always

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Speaker 2: tell you guys, and we're not here to talk about

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Speaker 2: how we feel about the selection. But I think that

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Speaker 2: Chris and I have both been probably I mean, I'll

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Speaker 2: say it for me, tell me if you agree, babe.

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Speaker 2: I've been more wrapped up in this selection than any before,

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Speaker 2: as I've said another podcast, because of the media, because

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Speaker 2: of how the media has acted, and so we wanted

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Speaker 2: to come on and talk about what these results mean

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Speaker 2: for the future of media.

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Speaker 1: Because I think out of my entire life. Again, I'm

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Speaker 1: in my fifties, so I have been a part of

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Speaker 1: and seen many elections. Going back to Jimmy Carter. I

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Speaker 1: hate to say how old I am, but hey, Jimmy.

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Speaker 2: Still with us, member his family, said he was going to.

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Speaker 1: Vote, he dropped the one vote for Kamala, and he

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Speaker 1: ended up losing his home state of Georgia. So Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Carter did not deliver Georgia. But two things that drastically

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Speaker 1: I have seen change in the last three elections, and

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Speaker 1: that's what you and I really wanted to dive into.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is something that has changed forever

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Speaker 1: more number one media number two, and this goes right

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Speaker 1: part of the media. Those two things have been disrupted,

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Speaker 1: turned upside down unlike never before. And I don't and

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Speaker 1: you don't want to be too verbose that the day after,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's safe to say those two things

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Speaker 1: have been changed forever, and that's what we wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I do think we also want to bring

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Speaker 2: up the celebrity part of it a little bit too,

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Speaker 2: because us as journalists there it is I knew, I knew,

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Speaker 2: I knew your thoughts because we obviously covered entertainment journal

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Speaker 2: celebrity journalism. And you know, that's part of the reason

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Speaker 2: why we don't share our endorsements with you guys as well,

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Speaker 2: is because I don't know. I just think there's a

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Speaker 2: the information. To go watch the full interview, to go

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Speaker 2: you know, Chris and I covered entertainment journalism. That means

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Speaker 2: we're trained in journalism. But I'm not going to go

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Speaker 2: I the only politics I know is what's available for

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Speaker 2: everybody else to look into. So on that note, let's

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Speaker 2: get into the media. Let's get into our industry. Last night,

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Speaker 2: when we were watching you and I always flip back

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Speaker 2: terms of the coverage of the results.

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Speaker 1: The coverage of the results was actually what what again?

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Speaker 1: And what I found interesting is even the results as

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Speaker 2: And Fox called Pennsylvania and then they called Trump as president. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: There was and everybody knew that, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: As soon as he won Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania was

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Speaker 2: I thought that CNN and MSNBC were so slow behind

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Speaker 2: Fox to keep people tuned in. Yeah, that's what they know.

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Speaker 2: that's not the right thing to do. The right thing

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Speaker 2: they're all getting the same numbers. At this point. This

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Speaker 2: We're just all getting the same numbers. So you could

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Speaker 1: It was interesting too. The person I felt for and

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Speaker 2: On which channel on MSNBC Kernak think and by the way,

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Speaker 1: First of all, your geography, fellas is unbelievable. They all

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Speaker 2: It was interesting. At one point we flipped onto Fox.

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Speaker 2: Sean Hannity asked the question is legacy media dead?

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Speaker 1: After the selection and that started our debate.

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Speaker 2: And he was asking that question obviously because what people are,

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Speaker 2: what that question entails is look at how this these

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Speaker 2: you know, Kamala did sixty minutes, Trump didn't. Trump did

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Speaker 1: Can't differentiate yourself, guys. It's like your you are mainstream media. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So the question is is legacy media dead because how

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Speaker 1: My opinion, that's too extreme. It's not dead because last night.

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Speaker 2: Top to sa so networks are NBCs, ABC, Cable as Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and.

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Speaker 1: So my opinion is the networks did themselves a great

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Speaker 2: So on a daylight today, you know, we've been so

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Speaker 2: tell kids about, you know, years from now? And I

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Speaker 2: agree with you that it's the trustworthiness and most importantly

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Speaker 2: the ability to question and critique, which like them not

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Speaker 2: doing legacy media not doing that is what has lost

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Speaker 2: the trustworthiness. I think I think that I agree that

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Speaker 1: That that truly defines and they really do. You're right.

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Speaker 1: there is no question that they will because that's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's been their job all along. But everybody, that's your

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Speaker 1: job is to ask the questions and follow the science

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Speaker 1: and and ask those questions.

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Speaker 2: And and you know, part of the problem, I think

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Speaker 2: has been a cultural shift that happened with the pandemic

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Speaker 2: where if you asked questions, you were bad, and that

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Speaker 2: in a scary way. That's thing we have to get

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Speaker 2: away from as a country, as a culture. It's okay

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Speaker 2: to ask questions. It's not You're not a bad person

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Speaker 2: if you're questioning statistics or science or you know, we

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Speaker 2: have to get the I think something that Elon Musk

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Speaker 2: has been talking about a lot lately. I think I'm

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Speaker 2: bringing up because he mentioned it in that Joe Rogan

448
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Speaker 2: interview is that the solution to misinformation is more information.

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Speaker 2: It's not silencing, it's more information. It's okay. Well, if

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Speaker 2: you the wrong takeaway was made from this little clip,

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Speaker 2: go watch the whole clip, you know, go watch the

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Speaker 2: whole interview. And I do think the impact of like

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Speaker 2: seeing for the first time president and vice presidential candidates

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Speaker 2: sitting down for three hour podcasts with Joe Rogan. I

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Speaker 2: mean that had never happened before. When have we heard

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Speaker 2: an unfiltered three hour interview with candidates. I do think

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Speaker 2: that's going to majorly impact the legacy media in the

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Speaker 2: long run. I think people found it refreshing. I think

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Speaker 2: that they saw who candidates really were instead of seeing

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Speaker 2: them in these sound bites. And going back to one

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Speaker 2: thing we haven't mentioned yet except briefly, but the CBS.

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Speaker 2: Probably the toughest interviews Kamala Harris did were with Brett Barron,

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Speaker 2: Fox and with CBS in sixty minutes. But then sixty

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Speaker 2: Minutes lost their credibility there because when there were questions,

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't release that full transcript.

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Speaker 1: They covered their tracks, they edited the tape, they edited

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Speaker 1: her interview to make her look better and more correctly, they.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't release the full transcript. And then over here you

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Speaker 2: had three hour interviews that Trump and Vance were doing

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Speaker 2: for all to hear. Yeah, and look, do I think

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Speaker 2: that Joe Rogan pushed or grilled as much as sixty

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Speaker 2: minutes did?

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Speaker 1: Know?

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Speaker 2: Because that's not his I'm not critiquing him, it's not

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Speaker 2: his platform's And he said.

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Speaker 1: He was going to do the same with Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: if she had taken the time.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he would have sat and grilled or

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Speaker 2: he said he wouldn't have.

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Speaker 1: It was very interesting. Is and you brought up a

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Speaker 1: good point, is the legacy media day? No? But is

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Speaker 1: the world that the Joe Rogan's, Megan Kelly's, Tucker Carlson's

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Speaker 1: that they created is that impactful one and eighty percent?

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Speaker 1: And if you don't acknowledge that this morning, you're fooling yourself.

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Speaker 1: That Joe Rogan interview was massive. It was massive because

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Speaker 1: for both vi Ja da Vance and Trump, because whatever

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Speaker 1: you thought of them, you got to hear them and

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, and I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: took away he's not weird. He's actually like jd Vance

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Speaker 1: is a really brilliant mind. Holy cow. Whether you agree

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Speaker 1: with him or not is beyond it's but this guy

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Speaker 1: is really sharp. And you know, Kamala had the same opportunity,

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Speaker 1: so did Tim Walls. They avoided it, and what they

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Speaker 1: went and did was kind of the old school. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna I'm gonna go let Oprah talk, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: let Jennifer Lopez talk and kind of segueing into our

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Speaker 1: next topic, what's more impactful these podcasts and these kind

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Speaker 1: of independent journalists, or just having Oprah or the Avengers

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Speaker 1: create a really cringey video for you. I think you

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Speaker 1: can definitely say that those videos, those endorsements give very

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Speaker 1: little weight and credence to your platform to the vote.

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Speaker 1: And then what you see the impact of what Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan and all these other podcasts created, You're like, man,

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Speaker 1: this is there. That is a big shift.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, right again, it's kind of the so okay,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about do celebrity endorsements matter? Now? I do

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Speaker 2: think this isn't necessarily something super new. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: celebrity endorsements have ever really mattered, but for some reason,

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Speaker 2: politicians have still gone after them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, that is a very weird thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know when they've ever mattered. I really don't,

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Speaker 2: because you know, this morning, let me just give the

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Speaker 2: smallest focus group test. I'm talking to my mom and

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Speaker 2: my sister about the results, and I brought this up,

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Speaker 2: and both my mom and my sister said, no, they

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Speaker 2: don't matter, and they're annoying, And I'm like, oh, are

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Speaker 2: they even a negative to people at home? I I

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Speaker 2: go back to the Taylor Swift endorsement of Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: When that happened, I was like, WHOA, this could be

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Speaker 2: really big. She's the biggest star in the world right now.

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Speaker 2: And I sit here, Swifty, I'm a big fan and

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Speaker 2: we both are. But I don't think it mattered in

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Speaker 2: the long run.

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Speaker 1: Did not move the.

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Speaker 2: Needle biggest That's that's the best test to me, because

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Speaker 2: that's the biggest star in the world right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hands down.

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Speaker 2: And Trump is winning not only the electoral but the

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Speaker 2: popular vote. So and what does that tell you?

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's not new right, I mean like Oprah's

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Speaker 1: Oprah's always going to endorse the Democrat. Bruce Springsteen is

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Speaker 1: always going to Robert de Niro, Like it's the same

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Speaker 1: people and they're always endorsing the right.

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Speaker 2: RFK was talking about his wife, Cheryl Hines and how

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Speaker 2: she's she's handled him doing this political thing, and he said, well,

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Speaker 2: it's been really tough for her. She's an actress, she's

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Speaker 2: on Curb your enthusiasm. He said, it's been really tough

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Speaker 2: for her because her industry, probably more than any industry,

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Speaker 2: is so politically involved and democratic. And by the way, Democrats,

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Speaker 2: you could have had RFK one of the wilder One

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Speaker 2: of the wilder choices to me is like.

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Speaker 1: Il Gabrett, I don't know, I had Tulci Gavartt and

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Speaker 1: r FKA worship Hero.

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Speaker 2: Wish they'd been a primary anyway, So I I do

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Speaker 2: think it speaks to Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting

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Speaker 2: they but year after our election after election, they go

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Speaker 2: for it. Politicians try to get on both sides by

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Speaker 2: the way they try to get celebrity endorsements. This election,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you what you think of this

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Speaker 2: type of quote unquote celebrity endorsement that Trump had. I

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Speaker 2: think he I was coming from a much more grounded,

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Speaker 2: valid connected place with his endorsements. Dana White, for example,

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Speaker 2: not the biggest celebrity in the world, but Dana White

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Speaker 2: could get up there and say, I've been friends with

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Speaker 2: him for twenty years, I've known him, I know his family,

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Speaker 2: and I think that came across more genuine.

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Speaker 1: And he's an endorsement, and he's an entrepreneur, he's a

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Speaker 1: businessman that has created because of him.

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Speaker 2: And oh, you mean Dana White has created something? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in interesting, you know, and it's not And by

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Speaker 1: the way, so has Oprah. She's the biggest entrepreneur in

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Speaker 1: the history of mankind. But you're right, they were very

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Speaker 1: different endorsements of Dana White Elon Musk.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think part of the problem the Democrats have

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Speaker 2: is over and over again, you got the same celebrities

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Speaker 2: coming out. It's George Clooney, it's Oprah, It's all the

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Speaker 2: same people, and so you're like, what, this doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: legitimate to me. It just seems like here we are again,

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Speaker 2: you know. Or Trump bringing out Elon Musk, that was

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Speaker 2: a really powerful one because Elon my was a former Democrat,

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Speaker 2: and because you've got i mean, everybody could agree one

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Speaker 2: of the smartest men in the world. You know, this

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Speaker 2: isn't an actress or a singer, and no offense. But

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying they can't be smart. But so that

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Speaker 2: had a different validity to it, I thought.

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Speaker 1: And we can't look by you know. One of probably

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Speaker 1: the most monumental shifts in the history of media was

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk buying x Twitter and turning it into free

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Speaker 1: press and making sure that if you wanted to see

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Speaker 1: a full clip of something, it was there, and just

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Speaker 1: taking the veil of secrecy, in the veil of even

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Speaker 1: being able having that question. Am I you know? Am

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Speaker 1: I getting the truth here? On X? Is the algorithm

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Speaker 1: against me or for me or whatever? You know? Him

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Speaker 1: buying X and then in being a part of that

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Speaker 1: free press is massive. That was huge, But you're right,

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Speaker 1: the endorsements were very different when you're getting Oprah again

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Speaker 1: and Jennifer Lopez and you're getting the same ultimate.

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Speaker 2: Let me add on to the X thing really quick,

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Speaker 2: since you brought that up. It We all have to

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Speaker 2: be aware of the algorithm. Whatever social media platform you

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Speaker 2: are on. I follow people who I don't agree with

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Speaker 2: because I want to keep seeing the other side of things.

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Speaker 2: We have to be aware of that. The algorithm will

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Speaker 2: feed you what you want to keep you in an

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Speaker 2: echo chamber. But the fact that Mark Zuckerberg admitted on

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Speaker 2: the record that the Biden administration had had him via

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Speaker 2: Facebook censor certain information about the pandemic and about the

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden laptop for the American people was shocking to me.

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Speaker 1: And Jack Dorsey and Twitter admitted as much as.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, and that they had at one point blocked

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Speaker 2: President Trump taken his account down. Why are these business

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Speaker 2: men have no reason, no credence to to silence, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know whatever, it's their business.

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Speaker 1: But when the FBI and everyone shows up your door

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Speaker 1: like well.

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Speaker 2: And I guess my point in all this, without getting

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Speaker 2: into too many specifics, is simply this. I do firmly

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Speaker 2: believe that we have that free Our country is built

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Speaker 2: on free speech is our first Amendment. It is going.

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Speaker 2: It is what our founding fathers were escaping was not

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Speaker 2: being able to speak our minds, and being able to

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Speaker 2: speak your mind means other people who disagree with you

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Speaker 2: get to speak their minds. And I am very afraid

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Speaker 2: and was very afraid by what some people John Carrey

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Speaker 2: in particular, or Hillary Clinton were saying about how we

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Speaker 2: needed to start silencing misinformation. When John Carey said we

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Speaker 2: need to take a look at the First Amendment and

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Speaker 2: and think about if we need to change it, that

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Speaker 2: was just a few months ago, very scary to me.

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Speaker 2: So I do think elon buying Twitter, and I was

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Speaker 2: a little I've changed my opinion on it because I

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Speaker 2: was a little like WHOA wow, okay when that first happened.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's a freer place now.

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Speaker 1: I would say the long and short of it is this.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity endorsements are fun, they're cute, and they're fun. Overall,

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Speaker 1: you have to say they're meaningless. They're not impacted because

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Speaker 1: what those people can impact and this is nothing against

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Speaker 1: those people. You know, I'm not making fun of Scott Bao,

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Speaker 1: Hulk Cogan or Jennifer Lopez or ropers today because they're

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Speaker 1: just supporting what they believe in. And good for you

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Speaker 1: for speaking up and what you believe in. That's great,

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Speaker 1: but your meaning fullness is zero. You can't take today's

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Speaker 1: referendum and what happened last night and say anything else

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Speaker 1: because look at the list of celebrities and who was

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Speaker 1: backing Kamala Harris and ad meant nothing because what those

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Speaker 1: people can't affect is what people vote on. Nobody and

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Speaker 1: a UA can't say nobody, but clearly the majority of

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Speaker 1: people are not going to vote because Jennifer Lopez, Oprah Bono,

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama, whoever says you should do this. Those people

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Speaker 1: aren't affecting the economy, they're not affecting immigration, they're not

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Speaker 1: affecting a woman's right to choose, They're not affecting any

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Speaker 1: of the issues that you care about. Those people aren't

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Speaker 1: on the both with you. They're not changing the world.

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Speaker 1: And so I think what you would have to say

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Speaker 1: if you're just looking at the science and the facts. No,

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Speaker 1: celebrity endorsements are fun, they're cute. They work at a

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Speaker 1: round sometimes yeah, sometimes very cringey. Yeah, Avengers, come on, got.

650
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 2: Come on, man, you're my family annoying.

651
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: That was a really cringey video you guys released last week.

652
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: But and honestly, most of those videos. Anytime anyone comes

653
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: to you with a script and says everybody is doing this,

654
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: if you are an agent or if you are a celebrity,

655
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: don't do the group thing. It never works. It comes

656
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: off really cramp.

657
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the group thing doesn't work.

658
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: Oh, those things are so bad.

659
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: The timing's bad.

660
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: Remember the zooms the World, the white Dudes for Harris thing.

661
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: Oh, I was going back to the pandemic.

662
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: Those were bad too. But anyway, so I think in

663
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: the end, those people don't affect change. They're just fun

664
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: and they're good window dressing when you need someone at

665
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: a rally.

666
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: I think that's been proven more by the selection and

667
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: Beyonce actually sing wow to BT's switch. To be honest,

668
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: that could have maybe maybe it's a powerful voice when

669
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: in singing. I think that this election proved more than

670
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: the is legacy media dad question. It proved celebrity endorsements

671
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: don't make a difference. It really did. You had Taylor

672
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: Swift Beyonce say I can't think of two bigger people

673
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: in the entertainment industry right now.

674
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: And we can go further too. How about the late

675
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: night shows. Oh, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, John Stewart were

676
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty percent in the bag for Kamala Harris.

677
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: They could not have campaigned harder for her. They used

678
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: talking about equal time, They used their shows for nothing

679
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: but propaganda for the Democratic Party. So the late night shows,

680
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: I mean talk about legacy meeting.

681
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: I mean Kimmel got up there and told people, don't

682
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: if you're planning on voting for Trump, vote late. So yeah,

683
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: he couldn't have been clear.

684
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there is no there is no kidding. I'm

685
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: just a con.

686
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: Do you remember Stuart had Waltz And I find Stuart

687
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: I think he sometimes will see both sides. I find

688
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: him a little bit of a different category. I think

689
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: he had Walls on for an interview only I don't

690
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: know if he ever I'd be curious if he ever

691
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: reached out to answer Trump.

692
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but though the late night shows you have to

693
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: throw them in the bag of wow, what is their

694
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: meaning anymore? And what is their usefulness? And it's very

695
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: interesting because you know, did you did you end up

696
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: killing your brand and your audience for your selfish thoughts

697
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: deeds not? You know, like you like, who's going to

698
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: go back and watch Kimmel next?

699
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: All right, but here's something that I want to just

700
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 2: give from an empathetic place. When you were in that

701
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: world and you and I have been in that world, Yeah,

702
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: everybody around you feels that way. I don't think I've

703
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: ever told this story on the podcast before, but when

704
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: I first joined ET, I joined in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,

705
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: Trump wins kind of a big time to start in

706
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: a media outlet. Now, luckily we were entertainment journalism, so

707
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't so fully in it. But when Trump won,

708
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: our online editor so my boss sent out an email

709
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: to the entire staff, the entire staff, that said something

710
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: along the lines of, I know we're all really upset.

711
00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: We're all hurting too.

712
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: I know we're all really upset about what has happened today.

713
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 2: If anybody needs to go home and take a minute,

714
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 2: you can. And I'm new in this job. Can you

715
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: imagine when I was there? Yeah, I'm new in this job.

716
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: And I read that and I went, this is nuts

717
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: to me. And by the way, I didn't vote for Trump,

718
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: but I remember I read that and thought, this is like,

719
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: why is she assuming her entire staff feels this way?

720
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 2: This is we're a journalism outlet, and why regardless of company,

721
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: why would you assume all of your staff felt that way?

722
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: And I just realized, whoa I mean, that was literally

723
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: an email signal to me, you need to feel this

724
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: way here. And so I do think that maybe what

725
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, what you're talking about a lot of those

726
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: hosts and producers and all these people, at the very least,

727
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: they need to wake up the fact that the Republicans

728
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: have won the Republican vote. They need to wake up

729
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: and ask what is our our audience really want to see?

730
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: Are we doing a disservice to our audience, no matter

731
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: how we feel personally, or what are we giving to them? Yeah?

732
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: That's what I would say, is our audience annoyed by us?

733
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: Is that why part of why our ratings are so bad.

734
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's people from the same schools, that go to

735
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: the same parties, that hang out in the same You're right,

736
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: it's just they just they're in this echo chamber and

737
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: there's never anybody that could possibly think there is another

738
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: side to this, that somebody would possibly be thinking differently.

739
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: Well, but if and if there are those people, they

740
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: feel a little bit scared to speak up. I don't

741
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: think it's easy to walk into a news outlet and

742
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: say hello, I'm a Republican. I don't think I don't

743
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: think that that's an easy thing to do, and it

744
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: shouldn't be. So, you know, that's my biggest thing overall

745
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: with all of this. I felt this way this whole

746
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: election cycle. No matter how you feel, we should be

747
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: able to talk about this stuff. We should all be

748
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: able to feel differently and discuss and not lose friendships

749
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: and family over these things. And we should all be

750
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: open enough to hear from the other side and say,

751
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: oh yeah, show me that article you're talking about her.

752
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'd like to see that interview you're just

753
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: you're referencing, and let me be open to maybe thinking

754
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: differently about this or maybe not, but let's be okay

755
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: talking about it.

756
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: You know one thing the media did and look, they

757
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: got to sell panic. They sell drama. I'm someone who

758
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: knows a lot about drama. They sold panic, they sold drama.

759
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: They selled gloom and doom. You know the old if it,

760
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: if it bleeds, it leads. There that is a saying

761
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: for a.

762
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: Reason to clarify, for people to sing, it's a local

763
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: news saying. If it bleeds it leads means crime is

764
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: the top story on your local news broadcast, because that's

765
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 2: what people pay attention to.

766
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: Whether it affects you or not. And so that's what

767
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: the media has been selling you for the last couple

768
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: of years because that's gotten us to watch right. That

769
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: is the algorithm. But what they won't tell you, which

770
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: we will, is that you woke up this morning and

771
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: the sun was shining and the world still spinning, and

772
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: no matter what happened, and you get up, you go

773
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: to work and you try to affect change and you

774
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: try to do your best. And that is something that

775
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: the media has been hammering on us and hammering is

776
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: that like if he wins, the world is over. If

777
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: she wins, the world is over guess what it's.

778
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: Not yeah, and both and when both political parties say

779
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: that and you have to and that again is it

780
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: should be the media's job to sort through that, but

781
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: instead they were partaking in it. One thing I wanted

782
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: to ask, how about all the celebrities who said it

783
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: once again that they would leave if Trump won.

784
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: I would love to see if TMZ is at lax

785
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: this morning. There there has to.

786
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: Be is anyone flying out.

787
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: There has to be a long line to you know.

788
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: And I love the I always love the countries that

789
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: they use, like as if we're your backup plan. It's

790
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: like they're the girl that's like, well, if you know,

791
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: if she won't have me, I'll date her. And it's

792
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: like if the United States sucks, I'll go to Canada,

793
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: or I'll go to New Zealand, or I'll go It's like, wait,

794
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: we're not your backup plan. I love America, not your

795
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: drunk dial in the morning when you need a hookup.

796
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: I love America. And I think there's a reason that

797
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 2: people try to come live in this country because it's amazing.

798
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: And I don't think that that's good rhetoric to say

799
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: I'm threatened to leave Okay, go if you want to go.

800
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: Go. That is such a when you talk about privilege,

801
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: when you talk about like how blessed you are, the

802
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: fact that you get to say that, right, there are

803
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: people the.

804
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 2: Biggest, dying and losing family members trying to cross here.

805
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: They will have respect for that. Yeah, And so you're right,

806
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: it is the greatest country in the world. Do we

807
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: have it figured out? Clearly not. We do not have

808
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: it all figured out. It's not perfect. But is it spectacular?

809
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: And is it beautiful? And are we going to continue

810
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: to make mistakes but also improve? Yeah, that's the beauty

811
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: of this country. And so, uh, this has been such

812
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: a great lesson in journalism and studying this, and we'll

813
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 1: continue to follow this because i debates that we've had.

814
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm just curious if you guys have been having these

815
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: same talks in your own houses about how horrible the

816
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: polls are and how they mean nothing. Talk about people

817
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: that have lost jobs the last three elections. They've completely

818
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: botched on the polls. They have gotten one. Right, Oh

819
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: my gosh, how about the Iowa poll? Good lord.

820
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't really get into that, but that's something

821
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: that's probably even more dead than celebrity endorsements because you know,

822
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: it's interesting. I don't want to go on too long,

823
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: but now I'm like, you know, I could talk about

824
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: this for hours because I forgot Kamala Harris did call

825
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: her daddy that she did that podcast, so and I

826
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: don't know that that made that big of an impact.

827
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: So again I don't know. Wrapping up on that with

828
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 2: legacy media, I think we can declare maybe polls are dead,

829
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: celebrity endorsements dead if they have no meaning. I think

830
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: a valid celebrity endorsement meaning do you have a relationship

831
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: with this person, or did this person leave their party

832
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: for you that that's something powerful, or is this a

833
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: really smart business person and so they have a different perspective,

834
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: not just oh, I'm an actor and so I'm saying this.

835
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: I think it has to have It has to be

836
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: celebrity endorsement plus like what's the extra added value there?

837
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: Not just I say vote for this one, but so

838
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: not so dead. And then legacy media again we had

839
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 2: to just these situations were so extreme, this time around

840
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: a former president who had been accused of crimes and

841
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: coming back for a potential comeback, and then a current

842
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: sitting vice president but her candidate. The candidate dropped out

843
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: and she was shoehorned in late in the game. And

844
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: so these were just two such extreme cases that I

845
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: don't feel ready to say the influence of legacy media

846
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: is dead, but I definitely and not every podcast was effective, right,

847
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: And I think that's reflective of more so the candidates.

848
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: I definitely think legacy media needs to look in the

849
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 2: mirror after this and say, how are we best serving

850
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: our audience?

851
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: Can you? I don't know why, I just had this thought.

852
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: Let's flash forward four years and you're watching jd Vance

853
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: and Shapiro debate. That's going to be the most boring

854
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: issue latent debate for the media. I know the media

855
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: is going to be like, right, wow, Shapiro and Dvance.

856
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: As I'm saying this, do they want to look there?

857
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: You're right, we need drama.

858
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: Well, ratings will be down. We're just gonna have two like,

859
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: really smart guys debating issues. Dang it, that's going to

860
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: be weird. As they love to say, that's weird. That's

861
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: going to be weird. Just two really normal educated men

862
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: or women, whoever it is, Tulci Gabbard or you know,

863
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: Gabby whoever. It's just normal people talking about issues. That's

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Speaker 1: going to be such a boring, boring election. But thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening. Elsie. It's always fun to debate these

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Speaker 1: topics with you.

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Speaker 2: I love it, I love you, and I love America

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Speaker 2: and I hope that, I really really hope we can

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Speaker 2: have a good next four years and unanalyzed and critiqued

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Speaker 2: and challenged next four years by the media, do better.

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Speaker 2: But that is the people of America. We can come together.

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Speaker 2: That's my hope.

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Speaker 1: God bless you all. We'll do this again because we

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Speaker 1: have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening.

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