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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Wednesday, and we are

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Speaker 1: live in August and Living Color. Ready to roll. A

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Speaker 1: lot of things happening today. Joe Thomas stops by way

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Speaker 1: in on Shuder Sanders, who's getting the start Friday against Caroline.

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Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a second. Philip Rivers is

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Speaker 1: stopping by the show as well, one of the great

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Speaker 1: trash talkers of all time. Many many subscribe to the

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Speaker 1: belief he is a Hall of Famer. Some do, some don't,

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Speaker 1: but an interesting guy. He'll be joining us. I don't

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Speaker 1: like to lecture the American sports media, but I've said

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Speaker 1: this before. In politics, there's a lot of conspiracy theories,

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Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that in our business sports we try

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Speaker 1: to stay away from those. But there's one that's dangling

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Speaker 1: out there that is patently absurd right now. And here

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Speaker 1: it is so Shadoor Sanders, Kevin Stefanska. They've had all

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Speaker 1: sorts of quarterback injuries. He's going to start Friday, and

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Speaker 1: he's only had one pray. They'll only have one practice

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Speaker 1: with the ones, and he's going to start. And this

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Speaker 1: is now being called sabotage. And this is not just

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Speaker 1: like crazy internet dweb, it's like network people. It's sabotage.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland doesn't want him to succeed. Okay, let's start with this.

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Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs was acquired by the Minnesota Vikings and had

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Speaker 1: to start and did not get a single practice. Remember

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Speaker 1: that game, three touchdowns, no picks, one hundred and two

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Speaker 1: passer rating, completed sixty six percent of his throws, didn't

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Speaker 1: know the playbook, teammates coordinator, coach, didn't get a practice,

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Speaker 1: won the game. Baker Mayfield, we're friendemies now. Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: came to the Rams on a Tuesday, had to play

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Speaker 1: winning drive with a single practice in the highly sophisticated

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay offense, a timing offense, a rhythm offense, one practice.

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Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders has been with the Browns through OTA's rookie

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Speaker 1: Minnie camp and training camp. He knows the playbook, the

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Speaker 1: head coach, the coordinator, and his teammates. And because he

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Speaker 1: only gets one practice with the Ones, it's sabotage. You've

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Speaker 1: got to be kidding me. Stop pandering, stop protecting media.

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Speaker 1: The great Ones would consider this an amazing opportunity, and

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Speaker 1: he probably does, but we got to stop this. If

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Speaker 1: I was Kevin Stefanski and they're hemorrhaging quarterbacks because of injuries,

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Speaker 1: and you don't need to see Joe Flacco. The last

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Speaker 1: thing we need to see is Joe Flacco, I would

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Speaker 1: make an argument, well, rich dad, famous dad, Let's give

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Speaker 1: So if Kevin Stefanski and I don't think that's the

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Speaker 1: coach saying famous rich. I mean, wasn't it wasn't it

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Speaker 1: Shador who called himself legendary in the draft room. Let's

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Speaker 1: see if he is. But the idea at some level

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Speaker 1: of a sabotage. Maybe Kevin wants to just see what

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Speaker 1: So there's absolutely no value in screwing over Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 1: He may not be the future, but the perfect scenario

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've noticed, is a little impulsive.

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Speaker 1: arrogance and belief that they look at this as an opportunity,

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Speaker 1: world best scenario. He looks great against Carolina. They can

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Speaker 3: expect them to go operate. When you get in these

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Speaker 1: Dobbs saw it as an unbelievable opportunity and both crushed. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I'm just doing basically daily updates on Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: So whenever I see the word sloppy, it's always like, well,

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Speaker 1: So Ben Johnson said he was saying Sunday after Caleb

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Speaker 1: ok fine, okay, okay, fine, But did you hear what

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Speaker 4: Man, he's been he's been phenomenal. I mean he's smart

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Speaker 4: as a whip. Appreciate the seriousness and intent that he

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Speaker 4: brings every time he walks into a room, you know,

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Speaker 4: meeting room, walk through. It doesn't matter. He's locked in,

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Speaker 4: he's focused, he's preparing the right way, and I couldn't

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Speaker 1: Tyson Bajent Okay, So I just think about that. Coaches

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Speaker 1: very intentional. He's serious, he's focused, he's locked in, smart

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Speaker 1: a director of the film says, right now, our lead actor,

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Speaker 1: you've got to be patient, but wey, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: the supporting cast, whoo, they are locked in and focused.

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Speaker 1: That's insinuating the lead isn't locked in. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's something you don't have to be Sherlock Home to

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Speaker 1: connect these dots, right, it's I think we have to

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Speaker 1: be honest about this. Ben Johnson has worked with a

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Speaker 1: number one pick before, Jared Goff, and he's now worked

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Speaker 1: So he's seen gifted and he's seen hardworking. And now

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Speaker 1: I read something recently which I thought was an interesting take,

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Speaker 1: and sorry for not giving it credit, but it was

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Speaker 1: an interesting take. Somebody said that Ben Johnson and Caleb

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Speaker 1: was always going to be a little rough because Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 1: like a Kyle Shanahan, has a precise, precision based offense.

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff was second in NFL completion percentage last season.

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Speaker 1: Here's the play. Follow the play, follow my scheme, distribute

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Speaker 1: the ball accurately. That's Ben Jonson. That's what Kyle Shanahan loves.

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Speaker 1: That's what Kyle Shanahan loves. Okay, and Caleb's the opposite

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Speaker 1: of that stylistically. So there is an argument out there

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, he wants you to run his play, and

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Speaker 1: that's not really Caleb's style, So that the two are

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Speaker 1: not an ideal fit. That does not mean they can't work,

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Speaker 1: but I do think, let's be honest, if this thing

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Speaker 1: is ugly, Ben Johnson came to Chicago with a prenup.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna win this divorce. Okay, he's the boy genius.

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Speaker 1: He multiple teams interested. Caleb's already had a bad year.

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Speaker 1: If he struggled with the second coaching staff, you start

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Speaker 1: point at the quarterback. So it's just I don't know

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Speaker 1: what it's not. It's not that big of a deal

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Speaker 1: that you know. Caleb was a little sloppy, okay, but

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Speaker 1: That's not what I do. I'm not out here to

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Speaker 1: ruffle feathers. But it it was kind of, you know,

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Speaker 1: have just thought of like, I'm not gonna go overboard

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Speaker 1: is doing a great job. A little intentional in the wording.

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Speaker 5: I think he's sending a message pretty clearly, right, I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's that's the goal here. We got to get Caleb

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Speaker 5: up to speed. He's sloppy, it's not working. Let me

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Speaker 5: ask you, con I we brought up the whole Will

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Speaker 5: Caleb be bench this year? I'm gonna I'm gonna fast

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Speaker 5: track it. Will he be benched once before Halloween? So

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Speaker 5: we're talking first eight weeks of the season. Will Ben

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Speaker 5: be so fed up? He's like, Caleb, I'm pulling you.

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Speaker 1: I I don't know. I'm not going to bet that.

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Speaker 5: You're afraid huh because you think you can play it.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I just think I think what I've read in recent days,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's a fair take, is that Caleb's

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Speaker 1: style and he got into some really bad habits, as

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Speaker 1: we've discussed his second year at USC, because he didn't

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley didn't want to get him hurt. Lincoln didn't

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Speaker 1: trust the old line. Caleb didn't trust the old line.

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Speaker 1: He got into really bad habits of hero Ball got

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Speaker 1: really bad. His tape was probably better the year before,

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Speaker 1: when he started playing hero ball, and when you do

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's fair. I would say that that's totally fair.

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Speaker 1: You know, I talked about this before, and it just

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Speaker 5: News, all right, Colin, Let's get started with the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 5: My pick to win the Super Bowl this year. Just

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Speaker 1: What I felt like, I felt like they were ad

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Speaker 1: libbing in a playoff game. We said it on the air.

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Speaker 1: They did not. Tom Brady was the best before the

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Speaker 1: Toush push. Tom Brady, obsessed with preparation, was unbelievable. On

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Speaker 1: fourth down, Josh Allen looked like they were winging it.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, and again it says not a knock.

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Speaker 1: I think I liked the owner of the Bells, I

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Speaker 1: like the GM, I liked the coach, I love the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But I do feel like we gotta be honest about this.

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Speaker 1: Who your coach is as a quarterback, mat go look

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Speaker 1: at John Elway. He got Mike Shanahan. They started winning

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Speaker 1: super Bowls. That's not to say that Dan Reeves wasn't

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Speaker 1: a good coach. Mike Shanahan was a better fit as

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Speaker 1: a coach.

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Speaker 5: It could be Colin that against the Chiefs in January,

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Speaker 5: everybody gets in their head a little bit too much.

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Speaker 5: Remember the Ravens who had I think a top five

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Speaker 5: running game two years ago, stop running and they wanted

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Speaker 5: Their game plan was let throw the football.

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Speaker 2: It was mystifying.

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Speaker 5: I think the running backs had like four carries, some

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Speaker 5: ridiculous number.

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Speaker 1: No, there's no question teams went into Foxboro and Brady's

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Speaker 1: trime and they melted like they They made mistakes that

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Speaker 1: didn't normally make. There were many times I felt in New

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Speaker 1: England wasn't as talented as the Baltimore Ravens team they

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Speaker 1: played in the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, how about Kyle Shanahan's Kyle Shanahan up ten in

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Speaker 5: the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl and just gag

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Speaker 5: it away against the Chiefs back in Miami pre COVID.

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Speaker 5: Let's go to the next story, So the Dallas Cowboys, Colin,

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Speaker 5: Jerry and Micah's war of words continues. Yesterday at camp,

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Speaker 5: Jerry started telling a story about when he bought the

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Speaker 5: team and how the deal went down. Taking a shot

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Speaker 5: at his star pass rusher in the meantime, take a listen.

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Speaker 7: I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake. Took about

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Speaker 7: thirty seconds and gave the numbers, shook hands. The detail

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Speaker 7: we worked out later. As a matter of fact, won

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Speaker 7: the details involved a lot of money and we had

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Speaker 7: to flip a coin over that. But the fundamental I'm

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Speaker 7: buying and you're going to sell it to me for

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Speaker 7: that range, that's done, and those are done with eye

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Speaker 7: contact and handshake. In the case of a player or contract,

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Speaker 7: you have to have it in writing. All parties do

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Speaker 7: we have a contract in writing, Yet we're still talking

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Speaker 7: about and renegotiating it.

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Speaker 5: Colin, there's a report on the internet that when Jerry

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Speaker 5: bought the Cowboys he took a horse and buggy to

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Speaker 5: the meeting when he had that handshake deal. Things have

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Speaker 5: changed a little bit in the ensuing minor eighty seven years.

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Speaker 1: No, let me just say, wait, you're not defending Jerry.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying if in fact they did have an

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Speaker 1: agreement and they said, I mean, I've done this before.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into my stuff, but I've

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Speaker 1: done this before where I've talked to somebody over the

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Speaker 1: phone or I've met him and said listen, here's the number,

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Speaker 1: here's the years you want to do it, and we don't.

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Speaker 1: Nobody backs down. I've never had a boss back down

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Speaker 1: if they agreed in the meeting. So if they did agree,

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Speaker 1: you should have ethical values when it comes to that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Not everything has to be down. And if they had

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Speaker 1: a meeting, or if they sat down and went year's

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Speaker 1: number guarantee and there were and they made eye contact

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Speaker 1: and shake hands. In my life, anytime I've agreed to

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Speaker 1: somebody in person, nobody's ever backed out, and I certainly haven't.

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Speaker 5: That's not fair, Colin, because Micah Parsons is not well

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Speaker 5: versed in contracts and the market. That's not his job.

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Speaker 5: His job is to play football. He can't go into

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Speaker 5: a meeting and make some handshake deal on his contract

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Speaker 5: with Jerry Jones, who's been negotiating contracts for decades.

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Speaker 1: That's not right to me.

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Speaker 5: Isn't Jerry trying to take advantage of his guy, Micah?

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Speaker 1: Well, of course management always is. So that's wrong. So

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Speaker 1: you're siding with that man taking it taking advantages a

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Speaker 1: little strong, But I think you know management with Jerry

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Speaker 1: wants to meet you in person, he doesn't want the agent.

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Speaker 1: Management always wants to meet you in person. They don't

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Speaker 1: want to deal with the agent. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 1: way it always works in every industry.

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Speaker 5: I cannot believe that you're even a little bit thinking

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Speaker 5: Jerry's in the oka.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I'm saying I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 1: If they met eye contact, talked and agreed on something.

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Speaker 1: I think that holds. You know, Jerry wants to, for

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Speaker 1: the record, talk to the player individually and not the

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Speaker 1: agent because he feels he can get a better deal.

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Speaker 1: That's I've seen that happen a lot in a lot

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Speaker 1: of businesses. I'll say that. But he's trying to.

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Speaker 5: Take advantage of his star.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Billionaires are always trying to

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Speaker 1: take advantage of millionaires. That's just the way I want, right.

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Speaker 5: You fight for the billionaires, buddy, I will bet the

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Speaker 5: little people. I will bet be a defender of the

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Speaker 5: little guy like Michael Parsons, who's going to make forty

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Speaker 5: million dollars year. Anyways, let's go to the final story,

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Speaker 5: Colin and Oh the New York Giants. The gmon Oh

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Speaker 5: Malik Neighbors was a stud as a rookie well, guess

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Speaker 5: what Russell Wilson is really vibing with his star wide

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Speaker 5: receiver Brian Dables says the veteran quarterback has been a

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Speaker 5: huge help to the young fellow.

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Speaker 8: I think he's had a very positive impact on the league.

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Speaker 8: They have a good relationship. They spend a lot of

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Speaker 8: time in the meeting room and then they spend time outside.

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Speaker 8: Just in terms of body maintenance, how Russ takes care

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Speaker 8: of his body, the things he's done to have a long,

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Speaker 8: long career at least, kind of grab hold of that.

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Speaker 8: Ask a lot of questions. Is very involved. I'm talking

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Speaker 8: about Malik and the meetings communicated.

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest obstacle for the Giants is that

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Speaker 1: schedule in the first six weeks. I've never seen. It

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Speaker 1: is easily the toughest schedule in the league in the

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Speaker 1: first six to seven weeks. It's brutal. Yeah, So even

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Speaker 1: if they played well and executed, they could go own six.

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Speaker 1: It's tough.

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Speaker 5: So I know you're a big fantasy football guy. Neighbors

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Speaker 5: was a beast last year, and I know nobody watches

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Speaker 5: the Giants because they're garbage. But I'm just telling you,

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Speaker 5: if Neighbors can beat to like Pickens was for Russ

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Speaker 5: last year. They could start fairly well. Those two will

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Speaker 5: have a connection, and the run game was kind of

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Speaker 5: good with the young kid, I believe from Purdue Tracy

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Speaker 5: it was solid. They just don't have enough good players.

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Speaker 5: And I think Brian Dable is a dead man walking.

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Speaker 1: This is me. Yeah, tough schedule. It's they're not without talent,

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Speaker 1: left tackle, receiver, offensive coach. I think they upgraded their

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Speaker 1: old line, pass rushers Dexter Lawrence. They've got players. They're

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Speaker 1: not without talent. Don't have a quote in that well.

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Speaker 1: And also Philadelphia's got the best roster in the league

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Speaker 1: and they play them twice in division, so I mean

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Speaker 1: a lot of it is in Washington's a totally different franchise.

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Speaker 1: So the Giants are not without talent that they They've

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Speaker 1: got some. If they get a great quarterback in a draft,

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Speaker 1: then it's I don't think they're that far off. There

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Speaker 1: are a couple of teams. The Giants are one of them.

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Speaker 1: To me, if they got a great quarterback, you'd look

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Speaker 1: up and go, it's a viable team. I really do.

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Speaker 1: I believe that. I don't think they're that far away.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 1: So we've been talking because we're talking so much. Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams to start, it makes us hearken back to the

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Speaker 1: two young quarterbacks last year that crushed Jade and Daniels Washington,

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Speaker 1: Bo Nickson Denver, and I'm going to get to the

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Speaker 1: story in a second, which I think is really fascinating

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Speaker 1: about why you should spend money on coaching, and why

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Speaker 1: white coaching in college and pro you're always better off

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Speaker 1: to just pay the money for a really elite, proven coach.

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Speaker 1: But Bo Nicks, as we talked about yesterday, is it's

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Speaker 1: really good. And because he's in Denver and not in

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Speaker 1: the NFC East playing the Cowboys and the Giants and

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, bo Nix's season got a little bit lost.

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Speaker 1: He had the most passing yards, he had the most

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Speaker 1: passing touchdowns, he had the most completions. Last year in

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Speaker 1: a division that had better defenses than the ones, Jayden

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Speaker 1: Daniels faced Steve Spagnola, Kansas City Jesse Minner, and the

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Speaker 1: Chargers defense was top one or two in the league.

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Speaker 1: So he got a little overshadowed. And from Week four

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Speaker 1: until the end of the regular season, he had twenty

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Speaker 1: eight touchdowns, nine picks, and a passer rating over one

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Speaker 1: hundred and Sean Payton says, in this camp, he looks

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Speaker 1: even better than last year.

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Speaker 9: If you look at it, you got like these twelve seconds,

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Speaker 9: you get to play the cadence to snap count and

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Speaker 9: then you know, can you remind the back Hey, you

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Speaker 9: might be the prime you know the little reminders. He's

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Speaker 9: way much I mean, he's light years further along. He's

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Speaker 9: doing well.

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Speaker 1: So there's another story today that I think is really important.

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Speaker 1: Remember when the Chargers, you know, they were looking for

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Speaker 1: a coach and I said just to solve all your

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Speaker 1: problems at once. Your defense is way better than it

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Speaker 1: played again with Brandon Staley, Go spend the money on

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Speaker 1: Jim Harball, Go spend twenty million on the staff. And

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Speaker 1: they went and got Jim Harball, and instantly the culture

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Speaker 1: was different. And I said the same thing with you know,

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Speaker 1: like Denver, he'd either hire like they were going to

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Speaker 1: hire John Harball was getting talked about, or Jim Harball

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Speaker 1: or Sean Payton. Just there's certain things you should spend

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Speaker 1: money on. Mattresses and head coaches. With both, you'll sleep

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Speaker 1: better at night. But there's a great quote here about

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Speaker 1: from Seth Wickersham about drafting bow Nicks when he drafted him,

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Speaker 1: and it says, I'll get criticized for taking bow Nicks

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Speaker 1: at twelve. Peyton told Wickersham, I don't give a blank

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Speaker 1: three years from now is what I'm worried about. And

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Speaker 1: because Peyton is going to make it into the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame as a coach, he can be more authentic

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Speaker 1: and truer with his acquisitions and trades. Remember when Harball

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Speaker 1: got to the Chargers, everybody's screaming, you got to take

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Speaker 1: a receiver. Harbaugh's like Now I'm gonna take Joe Alt.

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Speaker 1: You already got a great left tackle for Shaun Slater.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna take Joe Wall. I'm gonna take a

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Speaker 1: right tackle. Nobody questioned it. The locker room, the front office,

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Speaker 1: the ownership galvanized. You trust Jim Young, coach Ugh right

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Speaker 1: tackle over. You know, whoever the great receiver is. This

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Speaker 1: is classic. That's why you spend the money on a

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh or a John Harbaugh or Andy Reid. And

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Speaker 1: remember when Andy Reid goes to Kansas City. I mean,

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Speaker 1: were there that many buyers on Alex Smith, you know,

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Speaker 1: like like and he just kept sticking with Alex Smith

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Speaker 1: and he believed in Alex Smith. Well, if Andy does,

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Speaker 1: I believe in him too. And that's like with Aaron Glenn.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if he's any good he's good coordinator,

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Speaker 1: we don't know. And so not only do championships validate

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Speaker 1: you with Peyton and Jim Harbaugh at college or probe,

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Speaker 1: but I think when it comes to player acquisition and

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Speaker 1: draft picks, when when you have the big name coach,

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Speaker 1: it's easier to galvanize a locker room. It's easier to

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Speaker 1: get the trust of the ownership, like I think, for instance,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski's excellent, but I think Jimmy Haslam I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of times he's breathing down his neck, and

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Speaker 1: I think Stefanski's great. So I think you're allowed to

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Speaker 1: take bigger swings when you pay for the big coach.

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Speaker 1: I think you're allowed to be truer and more authentic

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Speaker 1: to what you really need. But just Sean Peyton, who's

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Speaker 1: got a healthy ego and confidence acknowledging in this story,

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Speaker 1: acknowledging I'm gonna get crap for this, Sean Payton saying

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to endure this I got, I better

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Speaker 1: be ready for it. It tells you the truth about

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Speaker 1: the NFL is that how the media reacts has always mattered.

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Speaker 1: I've seen this before. When I used to work in Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: I would listen to WFAN, very popular New York radio station.

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Speaker 1: There was no question that that radio station in its

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Speaker 1: prime was absolutely listened to by baseball teams and football teams.

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Speaker 1: There was no question. I can remember one time, in particular,

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Speaker 1: the Mets. Everybody was banging on the Mets. It's like

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Speaker 1: you got to make a move. The Yankees are making

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Speaker 1: move and they went and got an outfielder. I think

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Speaker 1: it was Jason Was it Jason Bay? I think it was,

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Speaker 1: and he just didn't fit at the time. He didn't

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Speaker 1: fit the Mets. It wasn't gonna be the fit. But

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Speaker 1: they're like, I mean, I thought it was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're just influenced by this powerful, highly listened to, highly

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Speaker 1: effective radio station. And I felt it all the time

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Speaker 1: that the GM listened you know who. And I've been

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Speaker 1: told this before. Owners listen to sports talk radio and

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Speaker 1: they read the columns. Gms are busy, and often they don't,

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Speaker 1: but the owners and the owner's friends do. So you

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Speaker 1: get cultural buy in when you get a Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: or you get a Jim Harborough. And I think they're

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Speaker 1: just certain things. I would never go cheap on head

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Speaker 1: coach Mattress. You'll sleep better at night, all right. I

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Speaker 1: also think, oh, by the way, if you've missed this,

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Speaker 1: this was from a couple of days ago, and I

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Speaker 1: know in a summer in August, everybody's listening patterns are different.

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Speaker 1: On the show. I want to play this again because

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Speaker 1: I played it yesterday and he was on two days ago.

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Speaker 1: But I want to play this again. Sean Peyton, and

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Speaker 1: he had texted me, and I'd been upfront with this.

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Speaker 1: Sean really liked bon Nicks. He liked him a lot,

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Speaker 1: and Sean and I had talked about it. I was

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Speaker 1: surprised he took the Denver job, but I had said

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Speaker 1: before Peyton's taken bon Nicks, it is I just what

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Speaker 1: listening to Sean over dinner the twenty interviews I did

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Speaker 1: with him. I know what Sean likes and I knew

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Speaker 1: what bon Nicks delivered. It was a perfect fit. But

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Speaker 1: Seth Wickersham came on the show and said it beyond that,

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Speaker 1: there was a little secret sauce in why Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: like bo Necks from Oregon.

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Speaker 10: I sat down with Sean Payton and this was in

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Speaker 10: March of twenty twenty four. Everybody knew that the Broncos

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Speaker 10: were in the market for a quarterback. He opened a

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Speaker 10: folder and there was all this data on the folder

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Speaker 10: and bow Knix was at the top of the list,

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Speaker 10: and I was like, what is this? And Sean Payton

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Speaker 10: had developed his own analytics formula to try to judge

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Speaker 10: processing speed of college quarterbacks and he started it back

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Speaker 10: when he scouted Patrick Mahomes in twenty seventeen, and when

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Speaker 10: he ran the twenty twenty four quarterbacks through the formula,

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Speaker 10: bo Nix was by far the most efficient, and it

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Speaker 10: wasn't even close. And Caleb Williams, by the way, was

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Speaker 10: one of the last ones of the first round of

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Speaker 10: the guys who ended up going in the first round.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was the bite of the week on

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Speaker 1: our show, that he had devised his own analytic formula.

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Speaker 1: And for the record, Jimmy Johnson, remember Jimmy Johnson is

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Speaker 1: the guy who developed his own draft chart, like what

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Speaker 1: should we get if we make a trade? You can't

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Speaker 1: just wing it, So Jimmy Johnson and teams still use

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Speaker 1: it today, devised his own draft chart. I look at

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Speaker 1: it often, like if I'm trading for a third rounder,

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Speaker 1: what do I got to give up? And teams kind

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Speaker 1: of just ad libbed it until Jimmy Johnson created that chart.

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Speaker 1: So and again it doesn't mean it's a perfect chart,

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Speaker 1: but the things that matter to Sean Payton, like when

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Speaker 1: you have twelve seconds on the clock and you've got

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Speaker 1: to call an audible and move a running back over

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Speaker 1: to chip block and you've got a rookie tight end

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Speaker 1: and you've got to make sure there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff you're looking for. And I think through the years

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Speaker 1: with Drew Brees, I think probably Sean has certain things

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Speaker 1: that matter a lot to him. In that final eleven

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Speaker 1: twelve seconds of the clock, the efficiency and Mahomes was

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Speaker 1: at the top of the chart, Drew Brees would have been,

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Speaker 1: and bo Nix was and that's why draft him, all right,

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Speaker 1: Jay mac Joe Thomas stopping by the My lead today

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Speaker 1: was there is a rising chorus of people that think

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Speaker 1: should Sanders starting Friday is low level sabotage by the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown.

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Speaker 5: I mean, listen, Let's remember Tom Brady doesn't become Tom

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Speaker 5: Brady if Drew Bledsoe doesn't get knocked the hell out

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Speaker 5: by Moe Lewis of the New.

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Speaker 1: York Jets, and Brady goes in and the rest is history.

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Speaker 5: Maybe Shuder gets his chance in the preseason, crushes it,

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Speaker 5: and he secures the number one job.

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Speaker 1: I will watch.

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Speaker 6: I know that