WEBVTT - Will Dame Stay Or Will Dame Go? (Feat. Chris Miles)

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<v Speaker 1>You're tuned into Heat Check with Trista Crick.

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<v Speaker 2>On this bonus episode of the Heat Check, We've got

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<v Speaker 2>a special guest, folks, Chris Miles of NBA TV, here

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<v Speaker 2>to break down the aftermath of the Draft as well

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<v Speaker 2>as the latest on free agency buzz. I'm joined on

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<v Speaker 2>this episode by my co host Nick Ashew. It was

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Miles, NBA TV jumps on with us. Let's start

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<v Speaker 3>with Damian Lillard here. We've heard his name certainly mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>at least in whispers for years, but it was always no, No,

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<v Speaker 3>he wants today, he wants to stay. Could this offseason

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<v Speaker 3>finally be the difference? Could this, finally, Chris, be the

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<v Speaker 3>time where he either asks for a trade or at

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<v Speaker 3>least says fine, if you can find a good spot

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<v Speaker 3>for me, I'll take it and go. So were like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know the Miami heat.

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<v Speaker 4>Perhaps you know what this seems like when two couples

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<v Speaker 4>are about to get a divorce but everyone wants to

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<v Speaker 4>keep the friends, right, That's what the Blazers and Damian

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<v Speaker 4>Lillard are. They're like, I'm trying to keep the friends.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the good one here.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't I didn't. I'm not the one that pulled

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<v Speaker 1>the trigger on this.

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<v Speaker 4>So you're my friend, right, NBA fans and fan base,

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<v Speaker 4>that's what they're doing. And I think we're starting to

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<v Speaker 4>get to the point where one or the other is

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be like, you know what, I don't care what

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<v Speaker 4>people think.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to move on.

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<v Speaker 4>And it feels like the Blazers are there more so

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<v Speaker 4>than Damian Lillard as far as saying it publicly, like

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<v Speaker 4>you said, oh, they're taking.

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<v Speaker 1>The billboard down.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, Oh, they drafted the guy that's going weird double

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<v Speaker 4>zero right, like, oh okay, and they they're drafting your position,

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<v Speaker 4>and they are keeping guys you know who are showing

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<v Speaker 4>signs to have value on a trademarket.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, think about it, if they were planning.

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<v Speaker 4>On keeping Damian Lillard, Anthony Simon's right, someone you could

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<v Speaker 4>get a veteran at a different position for so you

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<v Speaker 4>could kind of bring in Schoot Henderson and say you're

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<v Speaker 4>doing this thing or Shaden Sharp had an excellent rookie

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<v Speaker 4>year and a sense of like value on a trade market.

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<v Speaker 4>If you were keeping name you and you were gonna

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<v Speaker 4>draft Schoot Henderson, then you could have moved those pieces

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<v Speaker 4>and kind of got some veterans. John Collins on the

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<v Speaker 4>market for two and a half dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he went for a second round.

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<v Speaker 4>And Rudy Gay even I was like, wait, Rudy Gay

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<v Speaker 4>has another year on his contract, Like, Rudy Gay is

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<v Speaker 4>my age?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on here? You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>So it's like all of these things that if you're

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<v Speaker 4>dam You're like, what is We're not going to get drafting?

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<v Speaker 4>These young guys were developing. Come on, everyone knows it.

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<v Speaker 4>We can all see it. And they are teams that

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<v Speaker 4>would love to have Damian Lillard. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 4>the NBA would love to have Damian Lillard on the

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<v Speaker 4>East Coast. I say you that much.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you're right. And the thing that I thought was

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<v Speaker 5>interesting and Chris is the Dame came out through Chris Haynes,

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<v Speaker 5>which we know they're very close, they've been close for

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<v Speaker 5>a long time now, is that he says he doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>want to play on a team with multiple All Stars

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<v Speaker 5>he just wants to be on a team that has

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<v Speaker 5>a shot. He says, I don't want to be on

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<v Speaker 5>a team with three All stars. That's Miami baby, Like,

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<v Speaker 5>if he was to go there, it's Jimmy, it's Bam,

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<v Speaker 5>it's him. So that feels like maybe not the right spot.

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<v Speaker 5>I am curious though, from Portland side, if Dame were

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<v Speaker 5>to go, and I still have hope that maybe they

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<v Speaker 5>just couldn't find a deal during the draft and that

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<v Speaker 5>maybe they can figure something out in free agency. But

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<v Speaker 5>is Chauncey Billups won the right coach for a rebuilding team?

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<v Speaker 5>And two do you think he is the coach if

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<v Speaker 5>Damian Oller does ask out.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, First and foremost, I am not going to say

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<v Speaker 4>anything bad about the champion Chauncey Billups.

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<v Speaker 1>And whether or not he's we don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>The verdict isn't in on whether he could be a

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<v Speaker 4>good coach or not right, and we don't he there's

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<v Speaker 4>not enough of a samp side to know if he

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<v Speaker 4>deals with a veteran team or young team. The one

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<v Speaker 4>thing I do know about Chauncey Billups is that everyone

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<v Speaker 4>that's played with him or that's been around him, there's

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<v Speaker 4>a level of respect there, right, And it's not like

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<v Speaker 4>if you mentioned a different coach and can're like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard this about him, or a different player kind

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<v Speaker 4>of heard this about him.

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<v Speaker 1>With Chauncey Billups, it's all like leadership.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the guy, you know, different teams want him, whether

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<v Speaker 4>it's the front officers or a coaching position. So I

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<v Speaker 4>kind of feel like any coach, though, you want to

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<v Speaker 4>put your stamp on things. And with Damian Lillard, he

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<v Speaker 4>had been there so long that that's Dame's team, right.

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<v Speaker 4>He kind of has that power that if Dame's gone,

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<v Speaker 4>I think Chauncey has a better chance and a better

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to mold these guys into what he wants, kind

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<v Speaker 4>of like ima Udoka and Houston as well, getting a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of young guys in there as opposed to having,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, guys who had some success before he became

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<v Speaker 4>head coach.

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<v Speaker 3>You know you mentioned the John Collins trade. He's got

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<v Speaker 3>three years, seventy eight million dollars left on that contract.

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<v Speaker 3>Utah absorbs that deal. Atlanta just gets Rudy Gay in

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<v Speaker 3>a second round pick, and you're going, right, You're scratching

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<v Speaker 3>your head going it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>John Collins isn't a great big man, but he's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Are we going to see more of this offseason of

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<v Speaker 3>just maybe some moves where teams are just trying to

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<v Speaker 3>clear some cap space, keep themselves away from that dreaded

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<v Speaker 3>second apron It feels like like even if people aren't

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<v Speaker 3>and most people aren't well versed in the CBA because

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<v Speaker 3>it's millions of pages and it's boring and nobody actually

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<v Speaker 3>wants to read that stuff, but it does have a

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<v Speaker 3>direct effect on the way some teams are treating this offseason.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think this will be an offseason that does

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<v Speaker 3>have maybe fewer big moves and it's more based on

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<v Speaker 3>like the deal we saw today with Atlanta and the Jazz.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, it also gives Atlanta some flexibility that

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<v Speaker 4>they just had zero flexibility with the contracts that they

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<v Speaker 4>had and the decisions they've made, and now they have

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<v Speaker 4>the what twelve million dollar exception they can use and

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<v Speaker 4>four and a half months they can go get guys

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<v Speaker 4>who may be out there on a bargain that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of fits that veteran leadership that they need in the

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<v Speaker 4>locker room. Also, also they have that twenty five million

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<v Speaker 4>dollar trade exception now that maybe some of their young

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<v Speaker 4>developing guys that really haven't proven themselves, they can take

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<v Speaker 4>money back for a player that fits more into what

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<v Speaker 4>they're trying to do. If John Collins, to your point,

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<v Speaker 4>is a really good I would call him like a

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<v Speaker 4>top tier role player could be an All Star with

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<v Speaker 4>the right team, and you would think with Trey Young

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<v Speaker 4>that that would be the case, but it just never

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<v Speaker 4>fit in that way. I think the Hawks waited for

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<v Speaker 4>that to happen. And with the Utah Jazz, it's like

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<v Speaker 4>he's their highest paid player, so like he comes in

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<v Speaker 4>and immediately, like when you talk about cap flexibility, they

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<v Speaker 4>just had it to absorb that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it made sense for.

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<v Speaker 4>The Utah Jazz, where as the Atlanta Hawks, it just

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<v Speaker 4>was like this handcuff of a contract. So I want

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<v Speaker 4>to see what else the Atlanta Hawks are up to.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that this was the first in three or

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<v Speaker 4>four moves that they are about to make to try

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<v Speaker 4>to make this team one that can really compete again

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<v Speaker 4>to get to the Eastern Conference finals, because right now

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<v Speaker 4>that feels like a fluke, and I know that's not where.

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<v Speaker 5>They want to be. De Jontay Murray is one of

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<v Speaker 5>my favorite young guards, Chris. He obviously is up for

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<v Speaker 5>an extension. They can't offer him until free agency, probably

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<v Speaker 5>what he's worth on the open market, but there's been

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<v Speaker 5>some whispers that maybe it's just not working with him

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<v Speaker 5>and Trey Young, despite the fact that they wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>play together. Do you think that he is one of

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<v Speaker 5>those three or four moves that you're talking about where

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<v Speaker 5>maybe they send him somewhere else?

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<v Speaker 4>Man, it's crazy because I enjoy watching him in person,

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<v Speaker 4>so I would like, absolutely hate for that to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>And truly, when I watch Trey Young and de Jontay Murray,

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<v Speaker 4>I think for Trey he's the perfect compliment slash backcourt

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<v Speaker 4>mate that if he's moved, I just don't know how

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<v Speaker 4>it works out right in the sense of, Okay, so

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<v Speaker 4>you move the defensive guard that can also put up

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<v Speaker 4>big numbers and be an All star as well, then

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<v Speaker 4>what are you looking to put next to Trey Young?

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<v Speaker 1>So to your point, it would be more of a

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<v Speaker 1>business decision.

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<v Speaker 4>If they think they can't resign him, that he's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>go elsewhere and they won't get anything for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Which would be really sad.

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<v Speaker 4>So I guess objectively, looking at the Atlanta Hawks, I

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<v Speaker 4>hope that doesn't happen for them. I hope that they're

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<v Speaker 4>able to keep him, that it works out between he

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<v Speaker 4>and Trey Young, because I do think that the way

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<v Speaker 4>that they play should compliment each other more than it

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<v Speaker 4>did this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking to Chris Miles NBA TV Warriors and Chris Paul,

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<v Speaker 3>it just sounds weird. It's gonna look weird. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>take some time getting used to. And there's also some

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<v Speaker 3>of the extra curriculars, right Steph saying it's not twenty

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen anymore to Chris Paul, and then Draymond's got some

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<v Speaker 3>beef with him and then he had the fake life

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<v Speaker 3>after Steve Kerr? Is this gonna be one of those

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<v Speaker 3>situations where when it's all set and done, everybody gets

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<v Speaker 3>in there kind of just puts it all aside and says,

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<v Speaker 3>we're trying to win a championship or did you kind

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<v Speaker 3>of look at this and go, wait, what, how in

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<v Speaker 3>the world is this all gonna mesh when it's all

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<v Speaker 3>said and done?

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<v Speaker 1>What years it again? Like twenty fourteen? I know that. Yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 4>To your point, right, guys on that twenty fourteen team,

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<v Speaker 4>like one of them works with me, Jamal Crawford. The

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<v Speaker 4>other guy that backcourt, JJ Reddick, is a star on ESPN.

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<v Speaker 4>It's about that time for Chris Paul, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Like the Warriors won four championships in an eight year

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<v Speaker 4>span since then, Like this is what we're talking about

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<v Speaker 4>when you say something like that, Like, yes, Chris Paul,

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<v Speaker 4>his apex was probably, you know, twenty and eight to

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<v Speaker 4>twenty fourteen. I think at this point Chris Paul knows that, Right,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a time where you go, oh, like I was

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<v Speaker 4>moved just for my contract being one that they didn't

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<v Speaker 4>want anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>He has to know that. He has to understand that.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's a matter of is he willing to come

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<v Speaker 4>off the bench and lead a second unit and be

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<v Speaker 4>like Golden State's Kyle Lowry, Because if he is, the

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<v Speaker 4>league is in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>He's good enough to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>If he is, if he has that mentality to get

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<v Speaker 4>that championship, then the league.

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<v Speaker 1>Is in trouble.

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<v Speaker 5>So you covered NBA draft Chris for NBA TV. Other

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<v Speaker 5>than Cam Whitmore, who slid for like really inexplicable reasons

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<v Speaker 5>they said they had to do with his medicals, but

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<v Speaker 5>he was doing windmills in the one on zero workouts.

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<v Speaker 5>I saw it on Instagram myself. He looked pretty explosive.

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<v Speaker 5>Who else besides him? Were you really surprised to slide

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<v Speaker 5>down in the draft?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I wouldn't say I was surprise where

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<v Speaker 4>they ended up being drafted.

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<v Speaker 1>But a guy that I'm like, I just don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I understand the draft anymore. Ben Sheppard out of

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<v Speaker 1>Belmont that went to the Pacers at twenty sixth.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like I spend all this time objectively watching guys

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<v Speaker 4>see who pops. I mean, I called the Nike Hoops Summit, right,

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<v Speaker 4>that's where like the first time they get a name,

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<v Speaker 4>like Nicole Okitch and Jamal Murray play together, Like I

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<v Speaker 4>watch them from that stage and Nick.

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<v Speaker 1>Knows this about me until it's time to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the draft, and so I see guys as levels happen.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I get to the draft and I'm like, wait,

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<v Speaker 4>Ben Shephard is awesome, Like he's a basketball player, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, why is he going twenty sixth?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I look up some of the other guys

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>Gonna disrespect them, and I'm like they play the same position,

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<v Speaker 4>they're not as good.

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<v Speaker 1>What is happening? Is it a an age and upside?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I see this every year and I see guys

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<v Speaker 4>get drafted and they just like never never make it,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're like, oh they're eighteen, they're nineteen. The upside,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I would take the twenty one or twenty

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<v Speaker 4>two year old that I know can play in the

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<v Speaker 4>NBA immediate, Like, I just don't get it. I understand

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<v Speaker 4>it's some guys the upside and they end up being there.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's the kid that I look at, like, how

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<v Speaker 4>how is twenty six where he goes like I look at.

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<v Speaker 5>You, no, no, no disrespect? Is that is that person

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<v Speaker 5>Jet Howard? That you felt like, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>He really went a lot earlier.

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<v Speaker 4>And I expected, well, yes, he's one of the guys,

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<v Speaker 4>but he doesn't play the same position. So Jet Howard

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of got from Orlando's perspective, right because they

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<v Speaker 4>got all of these young guys who and then who

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<v Speaker 4>they drafted at six Anthony Black was was kind of like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>interesting because they have like eight guards.

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<v Speaker 1>So like I kind of looked at the value on

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<v Speaker 1>the board.

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<v Speaker 4>And kind of thought they need shooting the Orlando Magic

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<v Speaker 4>just need guys that can shoot. So like I saw it,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm like they probably were trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 4>Look at what Grady Dick is wearing here.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't need too much. We don't need too much, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we need a professional.

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<v Speaker 4>Like God is just gonna come in and just do

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<v Speaker 4>his job, and we know his dad, we know what

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<v Speaker 4>this is about. Let's get safe here, because we might

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<v Speaker 4>have made the splashy pick at six, So I get that,

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm with you as like, man, that's pretty high

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<v Speaker 4>for a guy that you think is gonna come in

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<v Speaker 4>and just shoot three pointers. So yeah, but there are

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of other guys that I just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>look at and I'm like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Ben Sheppard was better.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris got about a minute here, Bradley Beal, the trade

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<v Speaker 3>finally happened. You and I have talked about this for years.

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<v Speaker 3>The return was not nearly what they could have gotten

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of years ago. Your thoughts on that in

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<v Speaker 3>about a minute.

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<v Speaker 4>You've had my thoughts on it for five years, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>And it's like this is exactly what I said would happen.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, no, first of all, I have to talk

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<v Speaker 4>to Bradley beal right, Like, he's a guy that I

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<v Speaker 4>know in real life, and I'm happy that he's gotten

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<v Speaker 4>as much money as he had. Having said that, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>why Wizards are you signing him to these coins? Like

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<v Speaker 4>once you dealt John Wall and then you had Russell

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<v Speaker 4>Westbrook that next season it didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the time to cash hit. You could have

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<v Speaker 1>got like Shay.

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<v Speaker 4>Gildess Alexander in six draft picks for him. Instead you

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<v Speaker 4>got Landry Shammitt in second round picks.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just, oh, you wait till you give him a

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<v Speaker 3>no trade clause and then you give him as much

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<v Speaker 3>money as possible. He fleeces you, He holds the organization hostage,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he gets to go where he wants to go,

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<v Speaker 3>and they get him for pennies on the dollar. Chris Miles,

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<v Speaker 3>NBA TV. Always good talking to my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate it.

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