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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul.

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Speaker 1: Mission Control deconds. Most importantly, you are you, You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're embarking on a two part episode, one that travels

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Speaker 1: across time and space, from the ancient Middle East all

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Speaker 1: the way to the modern day. Uh, let's let's start

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Speaker 1: this way without too much too much introduction. What is

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Speaker 1: the difference between and assassination and a murder? Well, here

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Speaker 1: to assassinate something or someone, you have to murder it

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Speaker 1: And we have laws on the books to differentiate between

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Speaker 1: those types of homicides and degrees. Right, there's the Weirdly enough,

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Speaker 1: just from a linguistic standpoint, the coolest sounding one, manslaughter

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Speaker 1: It's like, whoops, I hit you with my car. That's manslaughter, right,

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Speaker 1: So it appears that assassination is a genre of homicide,

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Speaker 1: and and that's correct. But why is it a genre. Well,

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Speaker 1: an assassin is defined by their target, their tactics, and

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Speaker 1: those types of paintings. That's right. The Encyclopedia of Assassinations

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Speaker 1: This explores both attempted and successful assassinations throughout human history,

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Speaker 1: and interestingly enough, it lists several cases such as that

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask where did this come from? Where? Where

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Speaker 1: does the concept of an assassin actually originate? We'll tell

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Speaker 1: gets crazy. Assassin isn't some dramatic, exotic word some hack

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Speaker 1: In fact, the term assassin refers to an all too reel,

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Speaker 1: image people have of assassins in the modern day, and

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00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: the image people had of assassins when they were around

425
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: Uh kind of became larger than life. They were living legends.

426
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: There was a lot of disinformation about them, and we

427
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: can only assume they probably used it to their credit,

428
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: because it's the kind of pr you can't buy. But

429
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: this is just one of the misconceptions. So I propose

430
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: we take a break for our sponsor, try our best

431
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: not to get assassinated and come back and explore some

432
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: of those misconceptions. Uh in just a moment, what do

433
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: you guys think? It sounds great? Everybody crossed your fingers

434
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: and hope that it's a CBD sponsor. Okay, cool, let's go,

435
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: and we've returned earned misconceptions about a group of killers

436
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: in ancient Persia slash Syria. This is the slightly awkward

437
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: part where we defend their character. But uh so, a

438
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: lot of medieval Europeans knew about the Order, especially once

439
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: the travels of Marco Polo were published. They believed that

440
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: this group was specifically targeting Christians. So this is fuel

441
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: to the fire for the Crusades and other campaigns. Right now,

442
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: we're now we're fighting to protect good Christian people against

443
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: this threat. Make you a cog in our Holy war

444
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: kind of situation. Right, But this thing was not entirely true.

445
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: In fact, it turns out this happens all the time

446
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: in the world of politics. It turns out these people

447
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: who were like publicly enemies to each other, behind closed doors,

448
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: they would not infrequently get together and be like, hey,

449
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: you know what, man, I know because there's a lot

450
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: of stuff going on in the bridge under the water. Um,

451
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: are you guys high, and don't worry about it. Let's

452
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: just let's let's work something out. Maybe we can make

453
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: an alliance. You know, well, you know that we're about

454
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: to talk about something here coming up, which is another

455
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: part of the misconceptions. But there are some realities that

456
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: this group faced that makes me wonder if there was

457
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: use of cannabis or some other drug like that, if

458
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: it didn't have more to do with their situation and

459
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: less to do with tactics for battle. It's a bit

460
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: of a spoiler, but we'll keep going here. No, I

461
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's foreshadowing, Matt. We So we

462
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: want to pull one example of times that Christian forces

463
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: and Assassin forces got together. Right in twelve fifty one,

464
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: the King of France, Louis the ninth, sent some invoys

465
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: to meet the assassins, to go and find the Old

466
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Man or the elder of the legends, and this meeting.

467
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: They took the meeting because it suited their diplomatic needs

468
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: at the time. Otherwise it seems like the sect was

469
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: they were Yeah, they were killing people when they had

470
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: to or when they wanted to. But they were largely

471
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: uninterested in Christians, at least at that time. They were

472
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: primarily focused on all the crazy changes happening in the

473
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: Muslim world and the events that had had shaped them.

474
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: They were also shaping these events in turn. Uh. And

475
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: that's because of their assassination tactics. Let's go to what

476
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: you said, Matt, about not just the rumors of drug use,

477
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: but about how these tactics came came to be. It

478
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: wasn't so much a matter of like religious belief for

479
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: what is the moral right way to kill someone? It

480
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: was necessity, it was desperation. Uh. Even if you take

481
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: that sixty thousand number in good faith, we have to

482
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: remember only a few people in the Assassin's order were

483
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: actually killing folks, were actually going out on these missions.

484
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: Hassan was outgunned and outnumbered the whole time. He was

485
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: out gunned, out manned, out numbered, out planned. I guess, yes, yes, yes,

486
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: he was very much so. Uh. And he was also

487
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: I guess everybody was outgunned at that time. Knives probably,

488
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: this is like the knife age, right, these guys are

489
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: using knives, they're using daggers to kill, arrows are around,

490
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: swords around. But there That's that's how they were. Yeah,

491
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: they pop out from the wrist. Uh. Yes, So he

492
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: knew he that there was no way they could wage

493
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: what we would call like conventional war of the time,

494
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: so he had to resort to being more crafty. And

495
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: we're talking about some James Bond level here, guerilla warfare, espionage, spying, UM,

496
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: targeted killings, assassinations, UM. There would be sleeper agents that

497
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: would basically travel in disguise and you know, pose as

498
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: members of the community in which they were trying to

499
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: infiltrate to get a better beat on their targets, uh,

500
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: and insert themselves into these very important strategic positions so

501
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: that they could you know, have the upper hand, right. Yeah,

502
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean it may sound familiar again, like we just

503
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: dropped a reference to the Revolutionary War, a version of

504
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: a telling of the Revolutionary War. Um. But yeah, whenever

505
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: I think this is a commonality whenever you have a

506
00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: small force that needs to operate effectively. Ali's Mulligan a spy.

507
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: Wasn't that his deal? Her past spoilers on that, right, Yeah,

508
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: I think I think so. Well, that's that's also no, No,

509
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: don't like Hercules. Mulligan is a real guy was a spy.

510
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: Like he also got firebars. Yeah, yeah, that was his

511
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: first love. I think that and being a Taylor and

512
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: then you know, Third America. But but think about that.

513
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: You know, we always think of sleeper agents in the

514
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: context of I guess like the Cold War here in

515
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: the West, right, that was the worry deep cover sleeper

516
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: agents from the US going into the USSR and vice versa.

517
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: But they existed in these ancient times. These guys would say, Okay,

518
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna kill this person. We're going to do it

519
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: in two years. So tonight I'm going to travel with

520
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: this caravan and I'm gonna set up shop and I'm

521
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: just gonna you know, I'm just I'm gonna sell drinkets

522
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: and chats for a while until the time comes. That's

523
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: why I break out my drugged potion, break out my

524
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: dagger about being bout a boom. They did not say

525
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: about it being about a boom. We're pretty did they

526
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: say drugs potion? Though, because God, I love that phrase.

527
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: It just sounds like a good good time drugs potion.

528
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: I want to we should refer to things as potions

529
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: more often, right, I know there's some like there are

530
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: probably some craft breweries that use the phrase a lixer.

531
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: But let's bring back potion. Oh. Remember Philip Simore Hoffman's

532
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: character and the Paul Thomas Anderson movie The Master, Um,

533
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: he was really taken by Freddie Joaquin Phoenix is kind

534
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: of unhinged, like you know that character, because he would

535
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: make this hooch out of rocket fuel and like you know,

536
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: the photography chemicals and and uh and this is character

537
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: of PHILIPI. Mo. Hofman's character refers to it as give

538
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: me another taste of that delectable potion or something. Potions,

539
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: bring back pans. Uh. That's okay. So, so we've mentioned

540
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: this special core. The people who are actually doing the assassinations.

541
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: They're sometimes also known as the fedaen. They they were

542
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: very very effective, and they were very very selective. The

543
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: name translates to those who sacrifice themselves. They were drilled

544
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: to This is the most mind blowing part. So they

545
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: weren't just drilled to accept the possibility of death, the

546
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: possibility of torture. They were taught to find and eliminate

547
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: their target and then wait to be discovered and then

548
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: willingly submit to torture execution. That's terrible for the individual,

549
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: but imagine how amazing that is for the order. Yeah, exactly,

550
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: setting a precedent that this is gonna this is what's

551
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: gonna happen. You know who did it? Yeah, you don't

552
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: get any information out of them, and you can torture

553
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: them until they die. And oh god, how many are there? Wait,

554
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: there are a lot of them like this. We'll send

555
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: another one, yeah, exact, and and a lot of assassination,

556
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: as we'll see in part two of this series, is

557
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: about sending a message, and that's what they were doing.

558
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: So we would today consider this a kind of asymmetrical warfare.

559
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: Why do you fight an entire network? Why do you

560
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: attempt to go against an entire system? When you can

561
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: pop one link in the chain, right, you can get that,

562
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: you can get that individual dot at the top of

563
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: the command structure, and you can create all the results

564
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: you aimed to achieve. You so discord, Uh, you make

565
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: the opponent squander their resources and uh, you make them

566
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: expect even more terrible things from you in the future,

567
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: and you put them on the defensive. So there. I

568
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: don't know. It can lay out a hundred different ways,

569
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: but one example of this comes to us in ten

570
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: just to give you an actual snapshot of how this

571
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: group successfully conspired and carried out these murders. Yeah, and

572
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: this example comes to us from ten ninety two. This

573
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: is when this group of assassins murdered or assassinated the

574
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: visier nism Al Mulk. He was a powerful member of

575
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: the Seljuk Sultanate. And the records that that were available

576
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: from that time they say that Nassari disguised himself as

577
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: a Sufi mystic and was able to infiltrate, get in close,

578
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: close enough to stab this person and kill them. Pray

579
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: with me, my son. Yeah, yeah, it's it's intense. And

580
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: assassination had a real domino effect as we've been describing

581
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: exactly because shortly after the murder of Nizam al muk,

582
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: who was sort of think of him like, um, if

583
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: the sultan is the president, this guy is one of

584
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: the secretaries of the cabinet kind of, so it's it's

585
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: as if a secretary of the cabinet was murdered. People

586
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: are freaking out. And then a little bit later, the

587
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: sultan himself, the said Sultan Malik Shah is murdered and

588
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: at this point historians argued back and forth over whether

589
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: that second murder was the assassin's. But it doesn't matter

590
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: because this domino effect goes into play very quickly, the

591
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: seljuks and chaos. Who is supposed to be in charge

592
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: here there are people wearing disguises and killing us, Like,

593
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: I can't trust anyone. You know? What about that guy?

594
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: How long does he been in town? Well that that

595
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: guy says he grew up here, but is that true? Uh?

596
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: And then the attacks continued. The assassins started killing more rulers, generals, governors, clerics,

597
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: anyone anyone who h was seen in their eyes as

598
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: an enemy. And they seemed to be everywhere and nowhere.

599
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. There's not an official uniform.

600
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: It could be the mystic next to you, It could

601
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: be the merchant two stalls down in the marketplace. So

602
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: people got really paranoid, right. They started hiring bodyguards, even

603
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: if they thought they might not be the number one target.

604
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: They wanted to also wear chain mail under their clothing,

605
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: like think about these are terroristic tactics, you know, Ben,

606
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: It's really this is very reminiscent to the fear that

607
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: permeated the United States, and I would say a lot

608
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: of the Western world and probably the entire world following

609
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: the September eleven attacks of two thousand one, where it

610
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: felt like anybody could be a target, right, Like, even

611
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: folks that were separated from like big urban centers like

612
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: in Middle America really felt vulnerable in that way where

613
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: maybe there's a sense of, oh, we're away from all

614
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: the big cities were somehow safe or not on the radar,

615
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: but that whole kind of comfort level really went out

616
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: the window. Yeah, and for very good reason, you know,

617
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: I mean, humans back then aren't that different from humans today.

618
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: We just have more toys. We're talking about the assassins

619
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: in the past tense at least this group, this origin story,

620
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: because eventually they did fall. They were active and effective

621
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: for the better part of three centuries, and they continued

622
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: after the death of their founder. The Old Man in

623
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: the Mountain died in eleven four sometime around then, and

624
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: the sect continued without him. In eleven thirty eight, his successor,

625
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: Won Boozer Need died. Uh died as well. I'm laughing

626
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: because we we know the date of his death thanks

627
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: to their big fans, the Sunni chroniclers. One Sunni chronicler

628
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: described his death in the following way. He says, brazog

629
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: Omed died crushed under the heel of perdition, so hell

630
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: was heated by the fuel of his carcass man. The

631
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: sick burn very very literally, very very visual. Wow, what

632
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: a what a wonderful, wonderfully hateful way of referring to somebody. Yeah,

633
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: it's very nice, spit on your grave style as obituaries go.

634
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Speaker 1: But the order continued on, and that means that the murders,

635
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Speaker 1: especially high ranking Sunni figures, continued. In the eleven sixties,

636
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: leadership fell to Hassan the second Hassan too. He took

637
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Speaker 1: the branch in a different theological direction. This is really interesting.

638
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: Remember we talked about the propaganda saying, look, implying heavily like, look,

639
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: these guys aren't even real Muslims. They pork, they're marrying

640
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Speaker 1: their siblings. Don't fall for the hype. But Hassan two

641
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: did something interesting. He said, you know, if you're a

642
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Speaker 1: true believer, if you're willing to die for this cause,

643
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: you are relieved, you are absolved from moral customs. Pray

644
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Speaker 1: when you can where you can. If you can't turn

645
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: the direction of Mecca, that's fine. You can do things

646
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: that are regarded as openly sinful as well, because you

647
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: were ultimately in service of, wait for it, the greater good. Snap.

648
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was the greater good that this

649
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: whole thing was about. Okay, now changes everything, right, I mean,

650
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: it's the greater good. It's about the regular good anyway,

651
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: that's the next level good. It's the most good is

652
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: But that's just an argument such it's just a common

653
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: argument for doing terrible things throughout history and politics and

654
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: war and all. It's, oh, it's for the greater good. Yeah,

655
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: we gotta murder all these people, but it's okay because

656
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, the greater good will benefit. So don't think

657
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: about this thing, think about the big picture. It's just

658
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: it's a way of pivoting responsibility from the you know,

659
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: the people that are actually doing the bad the bad

660
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: stuff too, I don't know, like it's it's it's interesting

661
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: because the greater good too, is also very very subjective, right,

662
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: what that even means? But why why? Why isn't it

663
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: the greatest good, the goodest, just the best. It's for

664
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Speaker 1: the best. That what people do say about too, don't

665
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: they It's for the best, But that means something different.

666
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: Doesn't it for the best just means well, come secome sah. Yeah,

667
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: it's just that's just the way it went, and it

668
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: was for it was for the best. It's just that

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00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: it's a lie we tell ourselves, which I believe. So

670
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: is the greater good? Yeah, I mean I maybe we

671
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: should Maybe we should think about it as just make

672
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Speaker 1: up a word here, will churchify a little? Maybe we

673
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: should think about it as, uh, the good ocity the

674
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: speed and direction of a given good, right, because yes,

675
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: so you know, mileage may vary in terms of where

676
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: you what direction you feel is good, and what speed

677
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: you feel is good. That's a weird one, but it

678
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: is important for this episode, this period, you know, like, hey,

679
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: throw some of the rules out of the window. We

680
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: can cut some corners, because ultimately we have to remember

681
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: we're the good guys. Uh, this is probably what are

682
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: we good guys? But are we the goodest guys? What's

683
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: our good aucity? Uh? But this is probably influenced Marco Polo.

684
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it's certainly influenced what he

685
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: wrote later and then Europeans read that and it didn't matter.

686
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: Remember we print retractions in the back of the paper, right,

687
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: It didn't matter that later the sect went back to

688
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: a more um, a more strict or austere interpretation of Islam.

689
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: The damage was done, and everybody who didn't like these folks,

690
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: Christian and Muslim alike, was able to say, well, are

691
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: they really some sort of religious warriors? They don't even

692
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: bother following the rules at home, you know, which is

693
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: a great argument to make. And that's that's part of

694
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Speaker 1: why no one came to help in the thirteenth century

695
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: when Mongol invaders breached the stronghold. They breached Alamoot Castle

696
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: in twelve fifty six, and they put an end to

697
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: the Nazari the assassins, at least at least that's what

698
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: that's what we believe exactly. Guys, do you have any

699
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: favorite assassin sects from pop culture? From video games, from movies,

700
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: TV series, books Like I really like the Faceless Men

701
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: from Game of Thrones. I think that's one of the

702
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: coolest assassin sects in in literature in a lot of ways.

703
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you guys have any other cool references

704
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: for folks to check out. For me, is the Elder Scrolls?

705
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: One Ben, remind me what that is? The Dark Brotherhood, Yeah,

706
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: Dark Brotherhood that they're great. They have the same taste

707
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: and logos as us as well. Uh yeah. Then there's

708
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: of course the Assassins and Assassin's creed, and they're more

709
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: of like an anti hero kind of vibe. Uh. And

710
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: then I would say faceless Men is great assassin groups.

711
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: I guess he could say, you know, it's weird. Uh

712
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: is is James Bond and Assassin? I mean yeah, right

713
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: as he is, he contains multitudes. Yeah, he definitely does

714
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: assassinate people for sure. Yeah. I like the Kingsman's vibe,

715
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I like the gadgets and

716
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: the suits. Uh. And this these are all these are

717
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 1: all cultural artifacts or cultural descendants of this real life group,

718
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: the Assassins, because even after they were wiped out, the

719
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: word assassin had passed into the common parlance in the

720
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: thirteenth and fourteen centuries, and you can trace it through

721
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: fiction and entertainment all the way to the modern day.

722
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: And I think, is that is that part of what

723
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: you're getting out here a little bit? Uh? Yeah, I

724
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: mean for sure, it's certainly something that is has captured

725
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 1: the imagination of of folks that are into this sort

726
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: of thing, you know, fantasy and fiction, because there is

727
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: this sense of like like you said, Matt, the assassin's

728
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: Creek character is almost an anti hero, but at the

729
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: same time you root for them, you know, so the

730
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: assassins won't always have to be the bad guy. But

731
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: one thing I think the interesting about assassins that we

732
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: haven't really touched on is that by nature there's sort

733
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: of not a moral but like they are a tool,

734
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: especially the faceless men. They don't take a stance politically.

735
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: They just do whatever they're paid to do, which I

736
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: think is a really interesting facet of being an assassin.

737
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: It's like we talked about having um a political motivation

738
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: or you know, some zella you know, zelotry kind of

739
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: driven ideology, but ourn't. Assassin is usually kind of just

740
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: a tool of whoever is paying them, and they don't

741
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: really have a stance. We'll see. That's where you bring

742
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: things like the assassins. They that exist in john Wick

743
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: in the John Wick universe. Right, that's a good that's

744
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: that's I love that. I love those But yeah, you

745
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: you you pay for a job, right, I mean, they're

746
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: hit men, right, more so than political tools or something

747
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know. I mean, yeah, we started

748
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: off the episode talking about semantics, and I think we're

749
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: still hovering in this gray area of like what is

750
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: an assassin? What is a hit man? We know what

751
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: a murderer is. We know a manslaughter is, or human murder.

752
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: What would you call it? It's human death. But but

753
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: it's it's defined. I mean, it is pretty clearly defined,

754
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: at least in the common usage in English usage as

755
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: a political killing, right, I mean, or killing of importance

756
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: in the modern day, you know, but think about like

757
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: it's it's weird because the motivation can be spread a

758
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: cross multiple individuals. Right. I am the owner and CEO

759
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: of United kum Quats Global Incorporated, LLC whatever, And I

760
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: am so tired of the government, that of the government

761
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: that rules the land where most of my kumquat plantations are.

762
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: And so I am motivated to kill them and have

763
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: them replaced with a government that's more pro kum Quat

764
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 1: or pro pro my organization, more sympathetic to the kum

765
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: Quat lobby. Right, And so my motivation, uh, my motivation

766
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: is financial gain and power. So I enlist the help

767
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: of a let's say, a religious sector offshoot of secessionists

768
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: in that country and they kill the prime minister of

769
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: the president. For me, they may be doing it because

770
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: they're getting paid. They may be doing it because they

771
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: believe their legion will be better represented by a different government.

772
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 1: So the thing is, at the end of the day,

773
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: the prime minister is dead and the villains walk away happy. Yeah,

774
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: and United Kumquat is victorious. I got really I felt

775
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: uncoverable every time we said that word. Isn't that like?

776
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: Is that a tiny orange? Isn't that what it? Kume?

777
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: Quote is it's like a little tiny or what do

778
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: you even do with them? Do you just eat them?

779
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: With the skin on and everything? Like? It seems like

780
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: an awful lot to peel such a tiny fruit. I

781
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: would imagine you would just pop it right in your mouth.

782
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: It's like the size of an olive. Yeah, but it's

783
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: like it's central. It looks like an orange in shape

784
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: and color. Um. I don't know. I just chose it

785
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: as a memorable I love it's a beautiful word. So

786
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: could we maybe say that not all hits are assassinations,

787
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: but all assassinations are hits. Perhaps that's kind of what

788
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: we said at the top. Okay, just to just to

789
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: lead with that from my own you know, clarif clarity.

790
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: I think this is so fascinating. But I think it's

791
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: interesting how there's that intersection because it all depends on

792
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: the prominence and perhaps the the end result, you know,

793
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: as to whether it qualifies as an assassination. Yeah, and

794
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: speaking of in results here we are. We know that

795
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: the military might of this group or what or the

796
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: assassinatory might of this group faded over time, but it's

797
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: important to know the faith itself survived and and doesn't

798
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: have anything to do with assassination. So we want to

799
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: be very careful not to vilify this religious community. You

800
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: can find Ismaali in twenty five different countries today, at

801
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: least Central and South Asia, Africa, the Middle East. The

802
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: reputation of the group we refer to as assassins nowadays,

803
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: I think we built a pretty good case. It was.

804
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: It was founded on some exaggerations by their enemies, right,

805
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: some propaganda, but their tactics were effective. And it's strange

806
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: should realize that such a small group of people could

807
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: have such a profound impact on history. More importantly, it's

808
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 1: disturbing to realize just how much influence and inspiration they

809
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: gave to their imitators ever since. And that's that's where

810
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: we end today's episode. How much of an impact do

811
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: you think, fellow conspiracy realists, that the assassins had on

812
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: the world in their time, and how much of that impact,

813
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: if any uh, remains with us in the modern day.

814
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: That's that's a great question. And can't wait to hear

815
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: what you all think. Uh. This is going to conclude

816
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: this episode of assassins, but guess what, there's another one coming.

817
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: We're gonna delve into more modern day assassins. We're gonna

818
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: get closer to the present. Are there still people out

819
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: there in groups that are specifically designed and operated to

820
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: commit assassinations? I bet you know the answer to that,

821
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: at least a little bit. We're gonna tell you all

822
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: about it next episode. In the meantime, right as tell

823
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: us your favorite assassin groups or individuals lone wolf assassins

824
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: from pop culture. We'd love to hear all about it.

825
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: You can find us on the usual social media spots.

826
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: I think our preferred place on the internet are are

827
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: happy places, the Here's where it gets Crazy Facebook group.

828
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: You can join the conversation there. I'm sure this is

829
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: gonna generate some great memes and posts from you and

830
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: your fellow conspiracy realists. Check that out. Here's where it

831
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: gets crazy on Facebook. Just name one of anybody involved

832
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: in the show some reference to let us know that

833
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 1: you're a real human being and you are in. And

834
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: if you don't care to communicate via social media unless

835
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 1: you use really up to means like the Lake City

836
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: Quiet Pills guys, Uh, then go ahead and just give

837
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: us a phone call, you know, luke Ma bell into

838
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: this guy conversation. Hit us up. We're one eight three

839
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Speaker 1: three st d w y t G. You've got three minutes. Uh,

840
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: you'll just hear voicemail and it'll set you up. Let

841
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 1: us know your thoughts about anything related to this episode,

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