Speaker 1: I miss the green.
Speaker 2: For example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball
Speaker 2: in the bunker, I'm really upset. And when I find
Speaker 2: my ball in arid Egg Friday Egg, the dread Frida Egg,
Speaker 2: Friday Bride Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run.
Speaker 1: Off of the course.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the
Speaker 3: Frida Egg Podcast. Tonight. I am joined by Brendan Poor
Speaker 3: at the Vespian Nation and Sean Martin of the PGA
Speaker 3: Tour as we get ready for this year's Players Championship. Guys,
Speaker 3: welcome on, Thanks for having.
Speaker 1: Me Andy, thanks for having us on again. Like last
Speaker 1: time we uh connected, it was in real life in Augusta,
Speaker 1: but now we're here. Here we are a month later
Speaker 1: with even bigger event on tap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the biggest event in golf, best field and golf
Speaker 3: the Players.
Speaker 2: Brendon went collared shirt for the pod.
Speaker 1: It's just just a fluke. I don't know, walked in
Speaker 1: and this is what I had on all day.
Speaker 3: So it's been four weeks since the Masters. I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, that part of the schedule just kind of
Speaker 3: it's a it's a slog, not a ton of buzz
Speaker 3: and golf. What have you guys taken away? You've been
Speaker 3: You've been watching a lot.
Speaker 1: No, I think, like the Masters will like it's this
Speaker 1: is not a complaint about my job. My job is amazing,
Speaker 1: but the Masters and the weeks leading into the Masters
Speaker 1: are like prepping for like a law school final or
Speaker 1: just the final, like a really hard final. It's very
Speaker 1: enjoyable like that week, but once you're done, you just
Speaker 1: kind of unploy. You don't think about whatever, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: You were just studying and writing and caring about and
Speaker 1: reading and watching. And from my perspective, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: it's my job. I watched the golf and I like
Speaker 1: follow and know what's going on, but it's just kind
Speaker 1: of like you kind of just decompress and let go
Speaker 1: and Satoshi Kadira Kodira, Andrew Landry and then like the
Speaker 1: piercy horse, will kind of run didn't exactly too much
Speaker 1: to kind of pull you back in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. And even with this new team format,
Speaker 3: I don't know why I can't get into the Zurich
Speaker 3: even with the team format, I honestly think that it's
Speaker 3: because the golf course is so bad.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I'm surprised if that take on a pee
Speaker 2: die course.
Speaker 1: You tried to argue, I've tried to make that argument.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, it's not at bad.
Speaker 3: I think it crystallized. You know, as I went for
Speaker 3: a run.
Speaker 2: It's a good stretch. It's a good stretch for dietficiados
Speaker 2: with harbortownc Louisiana, TPC Sawgrass.
Speaker 3: I went for a run this afternoon and I was
Speaker 3: honestly thinking. I was listening to no laying up podcasts
Speaker 3: and I heard Tommy Fleetwood refer to like a string
Speaker 3: of PGA Tour events and he said Riviera, And I
Speaker 3: thought about it. I go, like the really good events
Speaker 3: we refer to as like the have like a course
Speaker 3: that's really good, and a lot of times the tournament
Speaker 3: got just called the course like Riviera, like Harbor Town,
Speaker 3: and like nobody is saying like TPC Los Colinas like
Speaker 3: when I was there or whatever it was. You know,
Speaker 3: this week, this week's event, the TPC Louisiana. Everyone says
Speaker 3: this with the Zurich, you know, colonials the same way Colonials.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had always had trouble.
Speaker 2: In that because yeah, it's I'm curious where I need
Speaker 2: to know where you stay with Pete Dye's catalog right now,
Speaker 2: because I was very surprised by the tenor of your
Speaker 2: Black Wolf Run and Whistling Straight tweets this week.
Speaker 3: I like Pete Dye. I think Pete Dye was an intro.
Speaker 3: He was so important in architecture and I think he
Speaker 3: really gets strategy. But like, yeah, Whistling Straits offended me yesterday.
Speaker 3: It was so slow. It was just it was unbelievable.
Speaker 3: And I, uh, black Wolf Run. I like Black Wolf
Speaker 3: Run a lot more. Black Wolf Run's way more natural.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I think just like the nature of designing this golf
Speaker 3: course for a resort, like and I know that they
Speaker 3: wanted major championships, but just because you want a major
Speaker 3: championship doesn't mean your golf course needs to be completely
Speaker 3: unplayable for everybody. Like David Kidd on my podcast said,
Speaker 3: Oakmont is the most playable golf course in the world
Speaker 3: for an eighteen handicap. There's no force. Carries are readily
Speaker 3: available if you want to make bogies like at Whistling Straights.
Speaker 3: It is so hard for like a regular golfer. It
Speaker 3: is insane to be And that's why I had a minimum,
Speaker 3: A good based round takes five hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never played whistling straights, but I really don't
Speaker 2: have any desire to. It just looks so hard.
Speaker 1: I really just say, we're really on brand here. About
Speaker 1: four minutes in the pod and we're talking about black
Speaker 1: Quell wrong the Players Championship preview.
Speaker 2: Hey, Chris coach, we could we could go back to
Speaker 2: we could go back to Jenny Board and to Women's
Speaker 2: Am Open.
Speaker 3: Let me just say one more thing. So my buddy
Speaker 3: set this whole thing up, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll play. You know, I didn't set this up. But anyways,
Speaker 3: I was looking at the t sheet in the morning.
Speaker 3: But while I was driving up and I saw six
Speaker 3: hours between our tee times two courses, and I was like,
Speaker 3: what are we going to do? Get like a big
Speaker 3: lunch like that was like. And sure enough, we like
Speaker 3: got off the course and they're like, we're gonna be
Speaker 3: late for our tea time because it took so long
Speaker 3: to play like that.
Speaker 1: And this was what, what was it a Sunday Sunday
Speaker 1: afternoon morning.
Speaker 3: We played it like nine on a Sunday and it
Speaker 3: took five and a half hours. Yes, but whatever scene
Speaker 3: all right, moving on to a better Uh, I don't
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's a it's a. Both are very
Speaker 3: good championship tests of golf. But getting back to Sawgrass
Speaker 3: in the last couple of weeks, so we returned to
Speaker 3: the site of the big Woo Woo Sea Wou Camps
Speaker 3: triumph last year. You guys see a repeat happening.
Speaker 2: Is uh is Sea Wou to you as Hideki is
Speaker 2: to me. I feel like you're you're you're driving the
Speaker 2: Seawou bandwagon.
Speaker 3: Oh I love Seawoo. I watched him last year. I
Speaker 3: fell in love with like his golf game. I mean,
Speaker 3: like the guy's twenty one years old and he doesn't
Speaker 3: speak English, and he's won twice, and he was the
Speaker 3: youngest player ever to get his PG eight Tour card.
Speaker 3: Like he had to wait to play in events because
Speaker 3: he was too young to play on the tour.
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's forgotten, yeah, especially because it was
Speaker 2: five years ago.
Speaker 3: Then he won on the Web Tour at age eighteen.
Speaker 3: He won on the PGA Tour at nineteen and twenty
Speaker 3: or no, I guess twenty and twenty one. So he
Speaker 3: won on the Web when he was nineteen.
Speaker 1: I think I think I saw I think I saw
Speaker 1: see Will was like plus ten thousand to win to repeat.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a really really hard venue
Speaker 1: to kind.
Speaker 2: Of back it up, and no one has ever repeated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not even win. But I'm talking about content. Sergio
Speaker 1: seems to be pretty consistent. There are a couple others,
Speaker 1: but like, it's pretty hard to kind of make noise
Speaker 1: two years, especially after he won. He got all those obligations,
Speaker 1: you know, like give him the club to the clubhouse
Speaker 1: and being kind of the face of the tournament and
Speaker 1: the ads and signing all all the autographs, kissing the babies.
Speaker 1: I don't know, see who's going to be that kind
Speaker 1: of brand man this year. But yeah, it's hard to repeat.
Speaker 1: It's hard to even contend in a comeback.
Speaker 2: But he chipped and putted like a demon. I was
Speaker 2: looking at the stats. He he hit nineteen greens on
Speaker 2: the weekend, he made one bogie, He had forty nine putts,
Speaker 2: Like it was I mean, he was gonna be bound
Speaker 2: from everywhere. It was insane.
Speaker 3: It was incredible. I mean, he was he was so good.
Speaker 3: But I mean he's had a good year this year.
Speaker 3: He's had He's got three top tens already this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's turning in the right direction. He's you know,
Speaker 2: last year right forward the players he'd started working Sean
Speaker 2: Foley and that was the story. Now he's working with
Speaker 2: Andrew Getson and Josh Gregory. He's got two guys he's
Speaker 2: working with, and so it seems to be working though.
Speaker 2: I mean, before Harvardtown he was second to last this
Speaker 2: year in strokes game putting. So the fact that he's
Speaker 2: gonna even make cuts doing that, it's pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: That say that again, who's he go with?
Speaker 2: Uh, Andrew gets In? Who works with?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, gotcha? And Josh Gregory and
Speaker 1: Josh Gregory the performance coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, short game performance.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that article on pjhor dot com right
Speaker 2: now details all of that.
Speaker 1: Oh is that by you?
Speaker 2: That is by myself?
Speaker 1: Sounds like you're here your beat, You're all over that.
Speaker 3: Him and Phil are trading secrets, you know.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like, given like what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: you said, he's had like a pretty good year comparatively
Speaker 1: the last year. I mean, he had done very little
Speaker 1: and was hurt, but like plus ten thousands seems a
Speaker 1: little lot of whack, you know, for the defunding champ
Speaker 1: you just figure. I mean, I can't imagine there's a
Speaker 1: ton of public money rushing in on it, but the
Speaker 1: odds just seemed a little off for the funding chair
Speaker 1: and a guy who's had a good year.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I just don't think. I don't think anybody.
Speaker 3: It's only five what is it five guys Sean that
Speaker 3: won five.
Speaker 2: That yeah, and for him had to wait ten years
Speaker 2: or more between wins. Only Steve Elkington was six years
Speaker 2: between wings. I don't know what that means or what
Speaker 2: that says. But not many guys win twice. When they do,
Speaker 2: they're pretty far spaced out.
Speaker 3: One of those guys is the big cat, Tiger Waentz.
Speaker 3: What do you what do you guys expect from him
Speaker 3: this week?
Speaker 1: Is this he playing?
Speaker 2: I I think he'll be okay, only cause he's hitting
Speaker 2: it well enough. He was top twenty strokes, gained off
Speaker 2: the tee and approached the green. Last week he did
Speaker 2: just horribly. You know. It's not, of course, we have
Speaker 2: great memories or a great you know, great record for
Speaker 2: he's won twice. But I mean for Tiger, that's nothing.
Speaker 2: So I don't know we're looking at probably like a
Speaker 2: twenty seventh place finish twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I think that's yeah. I think he's hitting the ball well, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, the iron play wasn't horrendous. Yesterday I heard
Speaker 1: Pierre Costas on the broadcast This is well As Farga
Speaker 1: something about like he'd only hit five or six balls
Speaker 1: inside ten feet all week. But I mean, I think
Speaker 1: his strokes game approached, Sharks gained overall TV Green was
Speaker 1: pretty good. Obviously, his putting was just horrible. Hopefully they
Speaker 1: get him running. I would love to see the recreation
Speaker 1: of that tobaccle in twenty was the twenty sixteen when
Speaker 1: they lost the Greens and they were like glass couchers
Speaker 1: talking about how they're frictionless. You put your putter down,
Speaker 1: it would slide off. Yeah, the Duke crap. I'd love
Speaker 1: to see that because we know Tiger just hates slow
Speaker 1: Greens can't figure it out where they just like tricked
Speaker 1: him up in him like glass again for Tiger.
Speaker 2: That he got sixty seven that day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, your boyhead Decky is about to fall out
Speaker 3: out of the top ten.
Speaker 2: But hey, yeah it rough times, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Tiger. The thing I think with Tiger is like
Speaker 3: he's the quintessential, like hasn't put it all together yet.
Speaker 3: He's had like tournaments where he's putted it great, He's
Speaker 3: had tournaments where he's chipped it, He's had tournaments where
Speaker 3: he's hit his irons great. And now like last week
Speaker 3: was the first tournament where he really drove it well.
Speaker 3: And when you're coming back from a long layoff, that's
Speaker 3: what golf is. It takes a lot of time to
Speaker 3: get everything back and working together at once. Like I
Speaker 3: think he's I think this is all part of not
Speaker 3: to take the seventy six ers. The process. We got
Speaker 3: to trust the process here and we could be in
Speaker 3: for a big week.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't like this course for him, but I think
Speaker 3: a big week soon from him where he wins. I mean,
Speaker 3: he hasn't had a week where he did everything well yet.
Speaker 2: It is good for him and that he can hit
Speaker 2: a lot of two irons. And actually I pulled up
Speaker 2: his record, I'm actually surprised. He has nine top twenty
Speaker 2: fives and seventeen starts here five top ten, so it's
Speaker 2: actually a little but even during his prime years of
Speaker 2: like you know, two thousand, two thousand, and he went
Speaker 2: to second and first, but after that he was a
Speaker 2: lot of elevens and twelves, And I mean those are
Speaker 2: years when he's playing some pretty good golf. So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a strong it's a solid record there, but for Tiger,
Speaker 2: you know, anything less than a winner.
Speaker 1: It's such a relative scale for a venue he plays
Speaker 1: like every single year, he just you expect it to
Speaker 1: be d ral Firestone, right, or it's so weird, so
Speaker 1: our kind of frame of reference is so out of whack, like, oh,
Speaker 1: he hasn't you know, it doesn't have that great record
Speaker 1: here because he's only won it twice and we know
Speaker 1: he's played it every year on the schedule, and.
Speaker 2: Don't forget the ninety four US Sanitary either.
Speaker 3: Yeah s, why do you guys think he hasn't played
Speaker 3: as well here as he has at other courses?
Speaker 2: I think one reason is hard to play well here.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you're always one swing away from
Speaker 2: just ruining your week. That's definitely part of it.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I think that's you know, he did
Speaker 1: get he was more wild off the tee obviously in
Speaker 1: that kind of back half of his career.
Speaker 2: And then let's more, guys, into it. So like when
Speaker 2: he won in two thousand and one, right before he
Speaker 2: finished the Tiger Slam at the Masters, he's playing in
Speaker 2: the fund group with Jerry Kelly, So you're just playing
Speaker 2: with a strong field. At a course they kind of
Speaker 2: lets anyone who's playing well contain no matter they're playing style.
Speaker 2: So like you have Tiger Woods, you have Jerry Kelly
Speaker 2: staring Tiger Woods down eye to eye going to the
Speaker 2: fun round. And so I think that too, just makes
Speaker 2: it hard to There's just so many guys who can
Speaker 2: win at this golf course. It doesn't really eliminate one
Speaker 2: style of play, and that makes it harder to as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree with you, Sean. I think it
Speaker 3: doesn't really favor one style of play. You look down
Speaker 3: the list of winners and you got your ball strikers,
Speaker 3: obviously with like Sergio Stenson, but then you also have
Speaker 3: guys like you know, see Wu Kim who won only
Speaker 3: hitting nineteen greens on the weekend because his short game
Speaker 3: was good and he didn't make any big mistakes. I mean,
Speaker 3: Polter a fit runner up last year. He's not you
Speaker 3: know long. He's a good onion player, a good potter,
Speaker 3: but you got Jim Furika has been a runner up here.
Speaker 3: You got all kinds of different players, I mean Fred Funk.
Speaker 3: It's eclectic styles of play.
Speaker 2: I love Phil. He won here and he has three
Speaker 2: top tens and twenty four starts and he won in
Speaker 2: twenty or two thousand and seven. He just switched to
Speaker 2: Butcher and he's like, you know, I just I played
Speaker 2: this really controlled fade. I didn't swing as far back
Speaker 2: as I normally do. It's really wished to play more often.
Speaker 2: And then of course that lasted like a week and
Speaker 2: then and then he went back to his old solid play.
Speaker 2: But it's like this guy has an epiphany to win
Speaker 2: at a golf course as he plays horribly and just can't
Speaker 2: stick with it long enough. You find something new two
Speaker 2: weeks later to work on.
Speaker 3: Do you think we you know, I don't think there
Speaker 3: hasn't been as many obscure winners, but there was kind
Speaker 3: of a run where people are like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: you get a lot of fluky winners here. Do you
Speaker 3: think it's because the field is so deep and there
Speaker 3: aren't any you know, amateurs or club pros or you know,
Speaker 3: older past champions in the field.
Speaker 2: The May winners list has been really strong. I think
Speaker 2: some of the fluky years were the years that like
Speaker 2: the rough got really long. In March.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say like since the move to it's
Speaker 1: really been kind of a murderers row, mostly major champions,
Speaker 1: I guess, aside from Sea wou Ricky, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: think like it's a lot of like legit guys who
Speaker 1: are probably in the top ten in the world, close
Speaker 1: to the top ten, you know, Sea Wu was the
Speaker 1: first departure from that run. I think the switch to May,
Speaker 1: I think yeah, because it's there are no AMBS club
Speaker 1: pros anything like that. The masters. What I mean, once
Speaker 1: you make the cut, there's it's not a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: It's not you know you're going you're bound to get
Speaker 1: four or five at the you know, inside the top
Speaker 1: fifteen in the world kind of probably hanging around. It's
Speaker 1: just a smaller field and easier to get to get
Speaker 1: in the mix there. Not easier, but you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's there's less depth. I just think, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're going to get a guy that maybe the casual
Speaker 1: fan has never heard of, or certainly in March, you
Speaker 1: get a Stephen Ames or Fred Fahng. Players like that
Speaker 1: that maybe you know, are not the big names that
Speaker 1: that the tour is promoting in a featured group nowadays,
Speaker 1: but it's such a deep feel that those guys can
Speaker 1: come out come and we all, we all as golf
Speaker 1: nuts who watched this week the week aren't surprised. But
Speaker 1: maybe if you're just tuning in because you know it's
Speaker 1: a big event, you might be.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there were a few years they grew
Speaker 2: the rough out too thick, But I think ye March
Speaker 2: March will be good. I think, but there were a
Speaker 2: couple years they want to get a old too, Harry.
Speaker 1: So what will that switch it from Bermuda to like
Speaker 1: oversea it Raye.
Speaker 2: Over Yeah, what do you think of that?
Speaker 1: Andy?
Speaker 3: I think I don't think it's that big of a difference.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I don't people look into it.
Speaker 3: They put the grass so much. I really think it's
Speaker 3: overstated in the sense like whoever plays will also going
Speaker 3: to play well, obviously, Like I think with the Greens
Speaker 3: it makes a bigger difference, but the greens are still
Speaker 3: going to be Bermuda, you know, like Kevin Kissner on Bermuda,
Speaker 3: Greens is always like a good pick. I think putting
Speaker 3: on Bermuda is different, but they aren't gonna be changing
Speaker 3: the grass on the greens that it will be.
Speaker 2: I think Formida rough is a challenge for some guys.
Speaker 2: I think anyone can play Bent. I think Bent is
Speaker 2: most guys know how to play that. But Bermuda is
Speaker 2: definitely tricky ship out of do.
Speaker 3: You guys think we'll get a winner inside the top
Speaker 3: ten or outside the top ten this week?
Speaker 2: Numbers would say outside, Yeah, I'm big on Bryson this week.
Speaker 3: I am too huge.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm not even messing with him. I
Speaker 2: em like a seven A joke for Brandon. This is
Speaker 2: I'm big on Bryson.
Speaker 3: I am too.
Speaker 2: It's a perfect course for him. He can hit those
Speaker 2: kind of stingers that he likes to hit. He's very cerebral.
Speaker 2: He's playing really well. He made triple on his third hole,
Speaker 2: a quill hollow and finished fourth.
Speaker 3: He made a double and a triple at Harbortown and
Speaker 3: finished second.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the guy well thirty three. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: like three top fours in his last three starts, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just seems it's a placement golf course.
Speaker 2: It's all about, you know, strokes gain approach the green.
Speaker 2: I just it feels very brisening.
Speaker 3: I completely agree he I believe he's a guy that's
Speaker 3: gonna play well regularly at difficult golf courses. He hits
Speaker 3: it really well. Like if you're gonna say there's one
Speaker 3: weakness in his game, it's you know, on the and
Speaker 3: around the greens. I don't like him trying to hit
Speaker 3: shots with those single anth irons around the greens that
Speaker 3: it's really awkward to watch. But I like, I think
Speaker 3: this is a place where you know he can be
Speaker 3: He's so like he can be so surgical when he's
Speaker 3: on with like where he hits it and he's got
Speaker 3: a game plan, he sticks to it, and I think
Speaker 3: he's a guy that kind of understands how to play
Speaker 3: proper golf. He's not a bomb and gaugery. He kills
Speaker 3: it though. I mean, he's got all the skills. I
Speaker 3: think he this is the perfect kind of setup for him.
Speaker 3: Difficult golf horses.
Speaker 2: Fourteenth off the T seventeenth and stroskan approach the green
Speaker 2: might as well. His book itt To be honest, he's
Speaker 2: this is price is.
Speaker 1: Weak when score looks like less. I don't know. Since
Speaker 1: May it's always kind of around just in double double figures,
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen hunder.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's interesting. The point I was
Speaker 1: going to make a point that like, once he gets
Speaker 1: the big number, he just becomes like this, you know,
Speaker 1: freak and checks out and there, you know, freaks out
Speaker 1: about it. But you know, we're talking about the doubles
Speaker 1: and triples and Quail and Harbor Town and still kind
Speaker 1: of clawing his way back. That that's that kind of
Speaker 1: runs against my you know, supposition that he he doesn't
Speaker 1: handle the big numbers all that well because it throws
Speaker 1: off the calculation.
Speaker 2: So let's let's hear it. You're the one guy who's
Speaker 2: not on the Bryson train. What's your take.
Speaker 1: I haven't considered him yet. I mean, I think he's
Speaker 1: playing extremely well. But yeah, this is music to my ears.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to I'm into this more. I'm all
Speaker 1: about it. It makes sense that you know, he would.
Speaker 1: He's a rookie though, right it's his first first round.
Speaker 3: First, he's a rookie nowhere. He's played He's played this
Speaker 3: round more times than anybody in the field.
Speaker 1: He did play, Yeah, he did play Augusta like forty
Speaker 1: five times before he played it as an am, had
Speaker 1: more practice than like speak. Yeah, no, I think he's
Speaker 1: a rookie. That would give me pause. But I'd love
Speaker 1: to pick when you're talking about positional golf and kind
Speaker 1: of playing that approach, approach shack game, that's his specialty.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: So as well. Harbortown high correlation to TBC Sawgrass, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got all here top He's got top five two
Speaker 2: out of three years at Harbortown.
Speaker 3: Who you know as a rookie and uh and this year,
Speaker 3: so what outside of Bryson, You know, we're at the
Speaker 3: kind of halfway mark, halfway ish mark of the twenty
Speaker 3: eighteen calendar season. Who has really impressed you that you
Speaker 3: kind of didn't see coming this year on the tour.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this is gonna sound obvious, but hear
Speaker 2: me out. I'm gonna say Patrick Reid, And not that
Speaker 2: he came out of nowhere to win the Masters, but
Speaker 2: he's got five straight top tens. Now in the midst
Speaker 2: of you know, when when's the Masters, in the midst
Speaker 2: of that, you know, obviously a lot came out after
Speaker 2: the Masters about the family situation, and you know, he's
Speaker 2: gotten some blowback about wearing the green jacket all over
Speaker 2: the place, which is ridiculous that you will criticize him
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: But that is dumb. I don't. I don't really understand that,
Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily I'm not a huge Read fan,
Speaker 1: but like, I don't understand that. Why that just that's
Speaker 1: just like the read kind of stigma. Why people are
Speaker 1: mad about that because Phil, a lot of guys that's
Speaker 1: not people were actually mad about that. I think it
Speaker 1: was mostly that Rockets game he was in his green jacket,
Speaker 1: which you know, that was whatever a week two weeks
Speaker 1: after it happened. And I don't I think there was
Speaker 1: like a lot of like NBA fans who just don't
Speaker 1: understand or casual sports fantasy, don't follow golf that understand
Speaker 1: like the Master's or wears his screen jacket everywhere for you.
Speaker 2: I think I think Kyle Porter does a good job
Speaker 2: of putting kind of careers and trajectories in perspective. And
Speaker 2: we're looking at the guy who's twenty seven, he has
Speaker 2: six tour wins, a major. Uh, he's playing really good
Speaker 2: golf right now. I just think that, you know, he
Speaker 2: went through some equipment struggles last year, and you go
Speaker 2: back to the PJ, he's finished second first the last
Speaker 2: two majors. You know, he got his equipment struggles sorted out.
Speaker 3: And what about the vision? What about the vision thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 2: That was so that was vision straight down. He's got
Speaker 2: the clubs he likes, and he's on.
Speaker 3: A tear and he's in the top ten. He's closing
Speaker 3: in on his top five.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why any of these guys were contacts.
Speaker 1: They just get lazy. I don't I don't even understand
Speaker 1: that if Hartman had his wife run contacts, there's somebody
Speaker 1: run contacts out to him in the middle around at Kalhalla.
Speaker 2: Once look at the laser and you're out'.
Speaker 3: That's then you're getting the Anthony Kim insurance.
Speaker 1: Money, right exactly.
Speaker 2: I uh.
Speaker 3: Patrick Reed's got a better career than Ricky Fowler, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's he hasn't been as consistent as Fowler. But it's
Speaker 3: such an interesting debate. Do you do you favor wins
Speaker 3: or do you favor the consistency. Ricky's been more consistent
Speaker 3: in his career, but Reid's got more wins in a major. Now, like,
Speaker 3: what what do you think, Sean, or do you do you?
Speaker 3: Does Ricky have a major?
Speaker 2: I think he gets one eventually, But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I think read he goes to consistent stretches. He's definitely
Speaker 2: more inconsistent than Ricky. But I mean, even like right now,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I think that I'm curiously
Speaker 2: how long this run of top tens and playing really
Speaker 2: well runs out, because it seems like he could. You know,
Speaker 2: most guys would play the Masters, they'd come and you
Speaker 2: know they wouldn't play good. They've been off, you know,
Speaker 2: enjoying the spoils of the victory. But he comes back
Speaker 2: and he plays well Zurich with can't lay and then
Speaker 2: he finishes eighth at Wells. Fargo's the guy like doesn't
Speaker 2: even give himself a chance to rest, you know, Sergio
Speaker 2: kind of an off year for the most of the year.
Speaker 2: After winning the Master, Pettigreed just comes right back in,
Speaker 2: start kicking in teeth again.
Speaker 1: He plays like thirty five times a year too. Maybe
Speaker 1: playbe he won't this year, but it's crazy how much
Speaker 1: he plays.
Speaker 3: He just loves golf man, So what how.
Speaker 1: Do you think that translates this week the way I mean,
Speaker 1: he's obviously informed.
Speaker 2: Well, he's not a good I mean, he's not the
Speaker 2: kind of guy, you know, he's not iron play is
Speaker 2: not his strength. He's a guy Ryan.
Speaker 3: This was pretty helicopter finish.
Speaker 2: That's true. I love the story behind the helicopter finished.
Speaker 2: Apparently his swing coach told him he's trying to hit
Speaker 2: a fade and he couldn't do it. He's like, look,
Speaker 2: do whatever you have to do to hit a fade
Speaker 2: for me. So he makes that swing and he's like,
Speaker 2: all right, do that in tournaments now, and he's like no,
Speaker 2: He's like, there's no way. He had to be talked
Speaker 2: into bringing the helicopter finish out in public because he
Speaker 2: was too u he's a little ashamed of it, I guess,
Speaker 2: but obviously works.
Speaker 3: What about Brendan, who have you been impressed by?
Speaker 1: I kind of like Luke List, you know, I love
Speaker 1: what he's done this season. If you're talking about a
Speaker 1: guy's maybe not one or maybe not as high profile
Speaker 1: as some of the guys at the very top of
Speaker 1: the world rankings, I think it's been cool to watch him.
Speaker 1: He's been kind of you know, he was an elite
Speaker 1: and like, you know, a high rank prospect and all that,
Speaker 1: and then you know wandered a bit in the wilderness
Speaker 1: and takes kind of a totally different approach lives out
Speaker 1: in LA right, I think, like, I don't know, he's
Speaker 1: been cool to watch and follow, whether it was the
Speaker 1: Honda or wgc's sneaking in there, but yeah, first half
Speaker 1: of the season, I've enjoyed watching him. He's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know why we frame everything in like Ryder Cup talk,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of a measuring stick. He's in the
Speaker 1: top fifteen in the standings. I mean I should tell
Speaker 1: you enough that he's what kind of foreman he's had
Speaker 1: over the last you know year, certainly this.
Speaker 3: Season, I feel like List is one of those guys
Speaker 3: and I think we've lost this a little bit with
Speaker 3: the generation of young players. But like when you look
Speaker 3: at a guy and how he's progressed from year to year,
Speaker 3: like he's gotten like a lot better as a player
Speaker 3: every year, more consistent. You see him on more and
Speaker 3: more leader boards, like especially the last three years, and
Speaker 3: then this year, I mean, he's so close to winning
Speaker 3: for the first time, and I mean he's thirty two.
Speaker 3: I think so not a young guy, but absolutely mashes
Speaker 3: the ball. But he's one of the rare guys that
Speaker 3: you really you know, this used to be the regae.
Speaker 3: You used to see this all the time, where guys
Speaker 3: would progress year after year after year and then finally
Speaker 3: break through in their early thirties versus now today, we're
Speaker 3: so conditioned for the early twenties.
Speaker 1: Win sure, Yeah, it's I've been like digging into ends
Speaker 1: a little bit even more. It's just crazy how fast
Speaker 1: and how competitive those guys, How how just deep it is.
Speaker 1: How many of these young guys are going to start winning.
Speaker 1: It's only going to get even more intense. I think,
Speaker 1: just these twenty year olds and contending and you know
Speaker 1: whoever it is, Braydon thornber Snout, Sam Burns, players like
Speaker 1: that just kind of popping up on leaderboards over and
Speaker 1: over and over again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it used to be just getting your card
Speaker 2: at twenty four was a big deal. Right now it's like,
Speaker 2: well it's great, get your card, but even one year.
Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, yeah, impressed with Jason Day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: coming back to wins, he's so good his I guess
Speaker 3: the thing that you wonder about is like the putter.
Speaker 3: Everybody's like, oh, you know, like he had that historically
Speaker 3: great putting stretch when he went on that run in
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, and then you know, he hasn't missed inside
Speaker 3: five feet all year year this year. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think he's just like a really good putter. I had
Speaker 3: a I had a buddy who's whose good friend who
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call him a buddy. He's an acquaintance, you know,
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I don't know if he listens, he probably
Speaker 3: isn't he Like he caddied at a vintage club, which
Speaker 3: is where Day practice, and yeah, he said that day,
Speaker 3: like you know how Day said he like took the
Speaker 3: whole He hadn't played golf in like four months or whatever.
Speaker 3: That one. Well, he's like, yeah, that he hadn't played,
Speaker 3: but he spent like seven hours a day on the
Speaker 3: practice green, you know, and chipping, so like that. I mean,
Speaker 3: like I think that's where he works and spends so
Speaker 3: much time. Like he's got that unreal distance, so he's
Speaker 3: got an elite skill with the driver and then around
Speaker 3: the greens and on the greens. I think his his
Speaker 3: short game is underrated how good it is.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: No buddy of his is Tiger. Willis text him for
Speaker 1: a big game, for a big round, really four big event.
Speaker 1: He gets a text from Tiger, and you hear about
Speaker 1: it every time.
Speaker 2: You got a text one.
Speaker 3: I actually hadn't heard that. It's pretty cool. It's nice
Speaker 3: of Tiger. It's pretty neat that Jason daves buddies with him.
Speaker 2: He had forty one greens last week out of seventy two. Huh,
Speaker 2: short game, he's one hundred, He's one hundred and sixty.
Speaker 2: Ninth this season is shrows gain approach, and he's won
Speaker 2: twice and hasn't finished outside the top twenty five.
Speaker 1: Sean, how do you like him this week?
Speaker 2: I don't. Oh, you got it hit the irons? Well,
Speaker 2: I think I looked it up. Ten of the last
Speaker 2: fourteen players winners were in the top ten of Shrow's
Speaker 2: gain approach for the week. Only one of those fourteen
Speaker 2: outside the top twenty. You got to hit your irons? Well, here,
Speaker 2: can't be grinding all day.
Speaker 3: Do you think hit DECKI is going to break out
Speaker 3: of his slump this week?
Speaker 2: I'm worried, man, It's not good.
Speaker 1: Is he hurt? Is he still injured? What's the what's
Speaker 1: the problem is kind of figuring it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I try to get little inside info from Bob
Speaker 2: whenever I see him. And you know, he played pretty
Speaker 2: bad the first round of Wells Fargo.
Speaker 1: Uh, Bob, people know who Bob is.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Bob Turner's translator, I don't know who Bob is.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Bob Turner. Will you know? Shot out the
Speaker 2: first round seventy seven, he said, just called bad breaks,
Speaker 2: led to some big numbers, shot sixty eight in the
Speaker 2: second round, but then he mbf to foil. You know
Speaker 2: where he should play well? He played with J T.
Speaker 2: Pja on Sunday. I don't know, man, I think I
Speaker 2: think he took the PGA eight lost kind of hard,
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't know if the wrist injury
Speaker 2: is still think. I don't know. I need to get
Speaker 2: deeper into this. But do you last, do.
Speaker 3: You think he feels any pressure from the rise of Sutoshi.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to like his last The PGA is his
Speaker 2: last top ten in a full field of vand in
Speaker 2: the units.
Speaker 1: That was those are pretty Uh. It's quite a non
Speaker 1: secular diversion from the Indies. Andy's inquiry about SATOCI.
Speaker 2: Welcomes the chance another countryman on the President's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm wondering when the question is going to shift
Speaker 3: from CANADCUA into can statoci win. How far away are
Speaker 3: we from that?
Speaker 2: I don't know how's he followed it up? Has he
Speaker 2: played since?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Val?
Speaker 3: I think is his first start as a full member
Speaker 3: of the PGA Tour this.
Speaker 2: Week saving it for for the Home of the Tour.
Speaker 1: He's just a die guy now only plays dies now.
Speaker 3: I think can play like, oh, yeah, you don't know
Speaker 3: when I'm playing Japan.
Speaker 2: He finished T thirty two at the crowns uh two
Speaker 2: weeks after Heritage.
Speaker 3: He can he had a lot of distractions that week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, why whye yang was? You're champion by four? Wow?
Speaker 3: That is you see now, Brendan, we we have diverted.
Speaker 2: Crown.
Speaker 1: I love the crowd talking about so if you look
Speaker 1: at some of those like Japanese Tour and Asian Tour
Speaker 1: leaderboards and like results, it's like a treasure throw amazing,
Speaker 1: like blasphem the past.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome by Monday.
Speaker 3: So who's been who's disappointed you guys this year? M likewise,
Speaker 3: the same question.
Speaker 2: Besides well, yeah, that's not all his answer, but definitely
Speaker 2: I he's not listening as Sergia.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I expected a little bit more from Sergia.
Speaker 1: He's been you know, he's throwing his clubs in the woods,
Speaker 1: you know. But whatever, He's married, having kids. I know
Speaker 1: how that goes when you just have a newborn kind
Speaker 1: of eject from the rest of the world the rest
Speaker 1: of your life. You gotta get your house in order
Speaker 1: and kind of hang out with your family.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just thought Sergio kind of when he cracked the
Speaker 1: code of finally getting a major with be more regularly
Speaker 1: in contention. But also it's understandable that once you crack
Speaker 1: the toad to a major, you kind of hanging out
Speaker 1: and maybe regress a little bit. We've seen Babba do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, It's not necessarily unexpected, but I just
Speaker 1: I thought he would be doing more and doing more
Speaker 1: with more consistency.
Speaker 2: Adam Scott's definitely in some trouble as well, right working
Speaker 2: with Gg's swing tips.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm really disappointed in Ted Potter. I mean,
Speaker 3: the guy's miss missed five straight puss after he won.
Speaker 3: I'm just joking. I would say that I'm a little
Speaker 3: bit disappointed in Matt Fitzpatrick. You know he has he
Speaker 3: hasn't gotten off to start. I'm waiting. You know, he's
Speaker 3: won every year of his pro career. I'm waiting for
Speaker 3: him to break out. And you know, it's still early
Speaker 3: in the season. He could get hot, and I feel
Speaker 3: like this could be a good venue for him. He
Speaker 3: just hasn't been playing very well.
Speaker 2: You think hazelteen. He still has a hazelteing hangover. He's
Speaker 2: still scarred.
Speaker 1: And he was interesting interesting to observe him that week.
Speaker 1: He was kind of like he's like a fan, just
Speaker 1: along for the ride.
Speaker 3: Well, didn't he sit out the entire first day?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't the first day. I think it was.
Speaker 1: He sat out a.
Speaker 3: Lot and then Chris Wood right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then when he did play, he got smoke.
Speaker 2: I hate to be so America centric, but I would
Speaker 2: for me with Fitzpatrick, like I need to see it
Speaker 2: in America a little bit. It's a huge disparity between
Speaker 2: his as results in Europe and his results in America.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a legend at North wester and he
Speaker 1: did it America there.
Speaker 3: He won a US AM. He's done plenty in America
Speaker 3: that's not played overseas Sean.
Speaker 2: At an actually significant course, like Brookline over Corey Connors.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, right, so, uh who you got this week?
Speaker 3: Who would you pick? It's always a crapshoot.
Speaker 2: I feel like, literally so outside Bryson, I'm all in
Speaker 2: on Bryson. I'm not even kidding. But outside of that
Speaker 2: is Henrick. He's like the one guy who has a
Speaker 2: consistently good record at TC saw dress.
Speaker 1: Real big leash.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: You took my guy. Stenson was the guy.
Speaker 2: You can have. I'm firmly planted in Bryson Land. You
Speaker 2: can have.
Speaker 1: What's what's happened to Noorn? How's he doing? He's not?
Speaker 1: He kind of fell off, right. He was not good
Speaker 1: at the Masters.
Speaker 2: I know that just the cud of Quail, but I
Speaker 2: mean he hits that low bullet fad. I don't think
Speaker 2: Quail that that Quayle set up is not a good
Speaker 2: match for him. He played well last year's Players, Uh
Speaker 2: he was. I want to say he was involved late Sunday,
Speaker 2: but yeah, last last Players.
Speaker 3: Last year he finished uh tenth, So yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: that's uh, that could be a good pick. I'm a
Speaker 3: I'm a roll. I think Paul.
Speaker 1: Casey, good pick.
Speaker 2: He doubled the first hole Sunday.
Speaker 3: He's such a stud. I mean, finally got that win.
Speaker 3: Like this guy, like listen to this. So let's see
Speaker 3: starting this year Abu Dhabi, he finished T ninth, T eighth,
Speaker 3: T forty ninth, T twelfth, first, seventeenth, fifteenth, MC fifth
Speaker 3: Like that's you know, I feel like he just he's
Speaker 3: like the most consistent player and on tour.
Speaker 1: I think he really is.
Speaker 2: That's why he's number one in the Sagurin rankings.
Speaker 3: Do you think the second Do you think the Sagarine
Speaker 3: rankings are a better ranking than the peach than the
Speaker 3: World Golf rankings.
Speaker 2: I think the Sagarins slightly undervalue victories. Uh, And but
Speaker 2: I do I definitely give them some weight. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think when you had Paul Casey at number one
Speaker 2: over Justin Thomas, uh, that was a little tough to swallow.
Speaker 2: But and I think that I think they're good. I
Speaker 2: think they definitely deserve some some weight.
Speaker 1: Well both Hostler looking at some of the rookies.
Speaker 2: Uh, my big big value pick, Francesco Molinari. Yeah, top
Speaker 2: tens the last three years. It hits it dead straight.
Speaker 2: He'll never see a hazard. He he just.
Speaker 3: Like never wins. I feel like he contend in the
Speaker 3: sense of like he finishes high, but he's never threatening,
Speaker 3: Like you're never worried about him winning.
Speaker 2: He's the king of He pops up Saturday, you know,
Speaker 2: he's off Saturday an hour ahead of the leaders, makes
Speaker 2: two birdies in the first hole of sind He's in
Speaker 2: fifth place, and you're like, oh, shoot, Francisco's in the
Speaker 2: field this week. I forgot to pick him. That's that's
Speaker 2: my weekly Francisco Molinari experience.
Speaker 3: Is he gonna be on the Ryder Cup team?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: He's thirtieth in the world. He's definitely got to I'm
Speaker 2: sure he's gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's gonna be guys who win, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can do it.
Speaker 2: I think is Gonnace is gonna torch Paris. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be great.
Speaker 3: I wish I wish Paul Dunn was in the field.
Speaker 3: Why don't they, you know, extend some invitation to some
Speaker 3: Europeans playing well.
Speaker 2: You can get in by being top fifty in the
Speaker 2: world ranking.
Speaker 1: But that sounds just like the PGA to Sorry.
Speaker 2: There weren't any world ranking points at the event with
Speaker 2: the dancing six mascot.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait are you talking about we're talking
Speaker 1: about the players. I don't think the players point, it's point.
Speaker 1: It's guns at anything else for being having a bunch
Speaker 1: of contrivances around the golf part golf part of the event.
Speaker 2: Right, we're geting, we're getting off topic. I'm not a
Speaker 2: big mascot guy.
Speaker 3: We gotta we gotta stay on brand.
Speaker 2: Brendan alright, alright.
Speaker 1: Speaking of like the euro Tour kind of they've really
Speaker 1: gotten passed. There was like that moment there where like
Speaker 1: the Euro the top euro guys or like the hell
Speaker 1: with this remember that, like twenty eleven Rory just skipped it.
Speaker 1: It's like the one of the like the you know,
Speaker 1: the Supernova Superstar just decided not to play because you
Speaker 1: had like the Volvo match play in Spain the next week,
Speaker 1: and the Westwood was Westwood, your your old friend number
Speaker 1: one in the world at the time, just took a
Speaker 1: pass like it was interesting like that, that whole like
Speaker 1: tension in dynamics pretty much faded and gone away, and
Speaker 1: the players is ascended and it's not really a question
Speaker 1: if your top fifty you really play. But that was
Speaker 1: always like an interesting time. Imagine like Rory just saying, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play it.
Speaker 3: I wonder what would happen if the euro Tour removed
Speaker 3: one of its like Rolex series events opposite the players.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would do much except for maybe
Speaker 1: those guys in like the thirty to fifty range of
Speaker 1: the world rankings who are also on the euros A.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which Fitzpatrick Mullinari, Alex Levy or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, so yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: That was a great run. Sorry, I'm saying Paul donn
Speaker 2: is on a great run. By the way, I feel
Speaker 2: I want to rescind, I want to take back my take,
Speaker 2: and I feel like I just repected Paul done.
Speaker 3: That's that's you're You're a big man for rescinding and
Speaker 3: taking back a bad take because that was U necessary fit.
Speaker 2: And Punchakana. I love the heat that he went to
Speaker 2: Puntakana even though you know there's w GC that week.
Speaker 2: I am credit for going to an opposite field event
Speaker 2: T eight in Houston, second in the Spanish Open, misscut
Speaker 2: and then seventh and Volvo China Open and of course
Speaker 2: WAYNS sixes.
Speaker 3: I mean Danny Willits in the field, give him Willis spot.
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that he's playing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Tina teened up at eight sixteen with Gribble
Speaker 3: and Hoffman. What do you guys think about those pairings
Speaker 3: of the tour rolled out? You know you were being
Speaker 3: was it Sean or you that was being critical of
Speaker 3: the Master's parents.
Speaker 1: I don't recall that. I don't recall that the Masters.
Speaker 1: I'm not critical of the Masters parents. I don't think
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't. They don't give you this though.
Speaker 1: They always make sure they put like they will never
Speaker 1: give you like two of the top five, six seven
Speaker 1: names in the same group. They always give you kind
Speaker 1: of a you know, they throw an international guy like
Speaker 1: maybe an amateur, like they never do these like power
Speaker 1: trios like like we're getting this week.
Speaker 2: The Masters is always big on like the two thirds
Speaker 2: of a group, like you get like, oh, like gosh,
Speaker 2: we're like one name away from just In super nova
Speaker 2: of a group.
Speaker 1: But even that second name is like not you know,
Speaker 1: it's like Colum b kind of name. It's a great
Speaker 1: name for like golf nerds like us, like it's wow,
Speaker 1: that's awesome, but like it's still not the top is not.
Speaker 1: Like there's like a column ad that's like ten guys
Speaker 1: and none of them are in the same three.
Speaker 3: Isn't that kind of better though? Because yeah, then they
Speaker 3: can then they can take they can shoot away from
Speaker 3: the you know that group. Occasionally, like I feel like
Speaker 3: when you get these supergroups, it's all you see. You
Speaker 3: don't see anything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think about what do you think
Speaker 1: about the uh the Sunday kind of rollout of these supergroups.
Speaker 1: They just said, these guys are playing together. We don't
Speaker 1: have the time yet that they're playing together.
Speaker 2: I just I love the fact that the only uh
Speaker 2: time Tiger and Philip played at TVC, Sawgrass was the
Speaker 2: better than most round. Yeah, which outside of better than most,
Speaker 2: Like you gotta remember, like two thousand and one players
Speaker 2: like Tiger is on the verge of completing the Tiger Slam.
Speaker 2: It's like peak Tiger. He on eleven the part five
Speaker 2: he flags some long iron to like a foot, makes
Speaker 2: eagerly fist pumps on sixteen after making this long birdy putt,
Speaker 2: and then on seventeen makes the better than most putt,
Speaker 2: like the context gets lost and not to insert myself
Speaker 2: into this, but I asked Phil on Sunday, like, what
Speaker 2: do you remember about that? And he just got like
Speaker 2: stone face and he's like, all I remember is that
Speaker 2: that was a tough time for me playing against him.
Speaker 2: He was like, it was like bringing back bad memories
Speaker 2: or just getting kicked in the face by Tiger.
Speaker 1: And well, I mean, and it's whatever. It's this is
Speaker 1: like the talking point that the tour wants you to
Speaker 1: hit on because of this, It's like, but it does
Speaker 1: speak to the depth of where like of the fields
Speaker 1: right now that we can split them on the put
Speaker 1: them on the same side of the draw and in
Speaker 1: the same group, because you have a Rory speak JT
Speaker 1: kind of triota to carry the other half of the draw.
Speaker 1: Like I know, that's I mean, that's probably exactly the
Speaker 1: talking point they want me to say. But it does
Speaker 1: speak to the depth.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Also there's like Poulter, Rose, Fleetwood, Watson, Johnson Kopka. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, it's not like only once. There's uh
Speaker 3: in the after Yeah, there's I mean, there's Red Ram
Speaker 3: Matsuyama day.
Speaker 1: Dribble Dribble, Willet, Hoffman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Day Sence and Garcia. You know, like that's nuts there.
Speaker 3: The I guess the pairings like if you have all
Speaker 3: fifty of the top fifty like we do this week
Speaker 3: in a field, you can you can get pretty good
Speaker 3: because I feel like the rankings go about fifteen deep. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So right before this, I was watching Golf Channel,
Speaker 1: it's a network on cable television, and they were saying
Speaker 1: Brandall Chamblie was saying, this is like the toughest test
Speaker 1: in all golf. It's what the US Open used to be.
Speaker 1: It's the most like pure test it, you know, and
Speaker 1: then Duval kind of joined him and saying, like you
Speaker 1: have to hit every club in a bag. You have
Speaker 1: to hit the shots both ways, like in consecutive holes.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that? And this is this
Speaker 1: is like I don't know if toughest test was the
Speaker 1: word he is, because that's like the tagline for the
Speaker 1: US Open, but like it's a test of what the
Speaker 1: US Open used to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the it's a fair test. It's
Speaker 3: not overly penal like you have space to hit it.
Speaker 3: It doesn't favor one skill like I mean, I think
Speaker 3: the US Open everybody talks about with twenty yard wide
Speaker 3: fairways and eight inch rough that. You know, there seems
Speaker 3: to be a growing contingent of people that want like
Speaker 3: that dictates who wins. Like a long hitter who hits it,
Speaker 3: drives it well that week is going to win. Because
Speaker 3: if you have that really long rough like and a
Speaker 3: shorter hitter, let's just say, like Tim Clark a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, who won, the players would have no
Speaker 3: chance at a US Open because everybody's gonna miss a
Speaker 3: fairway when it's twenty yards wide and the shorter guys
Speaker 3: are gonna be hitting four iron and the long guys
Speaker 3: are hitting eight iron and nine iron, Like, that's so
Speaker 3: much different out of really thick rough hitting a four
Speaker 3: iron than an eight or or nine iron. The players
Speaker 3: like the average fairway with has got to be probably
Speaker 3: about thirty three to thirty to forty yards wide. There's
Speaker 3: some really wide fairways. It requires you to move the ball,
Speaker 3: like you know, there are holes that it's a a
Speaker 3: fade is preferred, a draw is preferred, but there's always
Speaker 3: width and there's always you know, you could the one
Speaker 3: thing I think that has been lost because of technology
Speaker 3: the ball and how far these guys are hitting it
Speaker 3: today is that it doesn't require as many drivers as
Speaker 3: it used to, so it's not as much of a
Speaker 3: driving exhibition. And I think Brandle's kind of talking out
Speaker 3: of both sides of his mouth in the sense that
Speaker 3: he wants the us open, long and narrow, because he
Speaker 3: says that a driver is the greatest skill and hitting
Speaker 3: it long and straight as the greatest skill in the
Speaker 3: in the game. Like Dustin Johnson might only hit like
Speaker 3: three drivers around this.
Speaker 2: Course eight thou yard golf courses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I side with my man Bill Korer, who says
Speaker 3: build him shorter and wider.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not. I'm not the architecture expert
Speaker 1: that you are, But I do love as like a
Speaker 1: fan and a consumer, I love having watching these guys
Speaker 1: having to hit the ball right to left, left to right,
Speaker 1: kind of hit a drive that's a draw and then
Speaker 1: have to hit an approach shot that's a cut or
Speaker 1: something that. Like I as a consumer, I love seeing
Speaker 1: that having to be done. I wish, like you said,
Speaker 1: there were a few more driver holes, I guess, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the I love that as a consumer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I like There's the other thing about
Speaker 3: the players and sawgrass is like the ideal angles, Like
Speaker 3: the strategy makes sense everywhere, Like if you play close
Speaker 3: to the hazards, you get the better angle, and then
Speaker 3: every you know, yard off that line, you get a
Speaker 3: little bit worse angle in it. And it just like
Speaker 3: you know, daya is like innate ability, just like kind
Speaker 3: of like the flag hangs out there and it plays
Speaker 3: with these you know, the world's best player's ego, Like
Speaker 3: you know, you sit and look at it, and you
Speaker 3: these guys know they can hit these shots, and if
Speaker 3: you don't pull it off, you end up making a double.
Speaker 3: But if you do, like if you chicken out though,
Speaker 3: like if you play away from the flags, you end
Speaker 3: up with really tough two putts and the angles of
Speaker 3: the greens where you can have like if you miss
Speaker 3: pin high and you aim ten yards right, you might
Speaker 3: be down in a swale runoff area, whereas a lot
Speaker 3: of courses, like the surrounds of the greens are really
Speaker 3: benign and and pretty boring, like you know, like one
Speaker 3: that jumps to my mind is like Memorial is there's
Speaker 3: so much thick rough around the greens that the ball
Speaker 3: just stops if you miss the green, so you're only
Speaker 3: gonna end up like a couple of yards off the
Speaker 3: green versus sawgrass. You know, they have those runoff areas
Speaker 3: where the ball runs away and gets further away when
Speaker 3: you miss hit, when you miss a target or shot.
Speaker 1: It's it's is it. It's by far the best Florida
Speaker 1: course on tour, not like you know Florida course overall though,
Speaker 1: of the four on tour, was it Florida?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't think anything is even
Speaker 3: in the conversation of being close to as good of
Speaker 3: a tournament course. It's I mean when you think back
Speaker 3: to like when it was designed, it, I mean, the
Speaker 3: player's uproar was unbelievable. I think unfortunately the course has
Speaker 3: been tinkered with so much since its original design, like
Speaker 3: it it I the twelfth hole, the redesign of that,
Speaker 3: like last year, that was awful. I don't care what
Speaker 3: anybody says, like the spin of it being like great hole,
Speaker 3: Like you don't redesign a hole one year after you
Speaker 3: redesign it if it was really good, it was not
Speaker 3: a good golf hole. And to me, like, I think
Speaker 3: that that's an example of somebody trying to force a
Speaker 3: hole design. We have to have a short part for
Speaker 3: so we're just gonna jam this in here because like
Speaker 3: everybody loves short part four, So we have to do it.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't fit with the flow of the golf
Speaker 3: course in my opinion. But that that being said, I
Speaker 3: it's we'll see what it is like this year. I
Speaker 3: heard they soften some slopes. But at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, I I and no disrespect to Steve Winsloft,
Speaker 3: but you're talking about a guy Steve Winsloft designing a
Speaker 3: hole versus you know, Pete Die who is the greatest
Speaker 3: architect of his generation. It just it was last year
Speaker 3: it was a clear you when you walk onto a
Speaker 3: hole and say, this doesn't belong and that's kind of
Speaker 3: the feel of that hole along, you know. And just
Speaker 3: how the golf course has gotten commercialized and in a
Speaker 3: lot a lot more neat over the years. I think
Speaker 3: Jeff Ogovie talked about a ton on the podcast. Sorry
Speaker 3: I'm rambling now, No.
Speaker 1: I'm loving this, keep going.
Speaker 3: He was just I asked him, if you could redesign
Speaker 3: one golf course, you know what would be said? TBC
Speaker 3: Sawgrass on the podcast and he was like, you know
Speaker 3: that golf course could look like that scruffy pine valley
Speaker 3: look that you see with the sandy soil. And if
Speaker 3: you look at the original pictures from when it opened,
Speaker 3: that's what it looked like. It was really scruffy. And
Speaker 3: the old foot cut capped.
Speaker 2: The old photos are amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen like that.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, he had goats. They had goats eating the
Speaker 2: grass and they were on the roof of the clubhouse
Speaker 2: and like, I mean, it was a jungle. The place
Speaker 2: was insane.
Speaker 1: So what did they do to twelve for this year? They?
Speaker 1: What did they do?
Speaker 2: So they extended the bunker on the left, So now
Speaker 2: that bunker used to really only come in to play
Speaker 2: on the layup. I think if you pull one shot
Speaker 2: of the green a little bit catch bunker instead of water.
Speaker 2: And then they flattened apparently the approach right in front
Speaker 2: of the green that sloped to the left also, so
Speaker 2: if you hit that it could roll in the water.
Speaker 2: Now that approach is flat, so if you hit it,
Speaker 2: you know, straight or with a cut and a lands
Speaker 2: on that approach, it won't bounce as hard left.
Speaker 1: So they did things to make guys hit more drivers.
Speaker 1: Is that what I'm hearing or not.
Speaker 2: They're just kind of trying to get away from that
Speaker 2: having it land on the green or near the green
Speaker 2: and roll off in the water.
Speaker 3: Okay, They listened to player feedback and then decided to
Speaker 3: make changes that fit the player feedback, which I would
Speaker 3: liken too, allowing the inmates of a prison to say, Hey,
Speaker 3: this is how we would like the prison run, and
Speaker 3: we're going to run the prison this way.
Speaker 1: It's the players Championship at the players tournament course and
Speaker 1: the Player's tour. Like, I guess that's god what they
Speaker 1: get to do.
Speaker 3: If something's deemed unfair, it will be changed. But I
Speaker 3: think we'll see what it's like. I just I don't know.
Speaker 3: The amazing thing is goulfed. I just gave it the
Speaker 3: redesign of the year, and then the next year that
Speaker 3: redesign is being redesigned again.
Speaker 1: Now now we are in the meat and potatoes of
Speaker 1: this podcast that kind of kind of enjoyed the main course, there.
Speaker 2: Was a Redesign of the Year award.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they won the Redesign of the Year. The DPC
Speaker 3: sawgrass and it was announced and then shortly after it
Speaker 3: was announced that the twelfth hole was being redesigned again.
Speaker 1: Is there a restoration of the year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a restoration of the year. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure. I can't I can't remember who won the
Speaker 3: other awards. That's the only one that really stuck out
Speaker 3: in my mind. So it's uh, the Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: it's it's Crown, the Crown Sawgrass. You know, they read
Speaker 3: all the golf courses in the world that did redesigns,
Speaker 3: and one did a one hole redesign that was changed
Speaker 3: over and they won Redesign of the Year.
Speaker 2: There were smaller changes, I mean there were, but they
Speaker 2: were minor. But there were some other changes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had that back tee on what is it
Speaker 3: fifteen fifteen, and they took out that mound between six
Speaker 3: and seven, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean they cleaned up some The big
Speaker 2: thing was they cleaned up some areas, which just gets
Speaker 2: you know, Bermuda courses get kind of shaggy and lose
Speaker 2: their angles, and they just kind of brought back some
Speaker 2: of that dye geometry, I guess, just kind of sharpened
Speaker 2: up some of those angles.
Speaker 3: I love. You know, this is the perfect example of
Speaker 3: like having a regular course as the championship course, it's
Speaker 3: just like the Masters, like everybody knows the finish sixteen
Speaker 3: seventeen eighteen, and that's like why the Players Championship is
Speaker 3: must must watch TV on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's what that's. Yeah, that's what I was going
Speaker 1: to go into it kind of as from the consumer perspective,
Speaker 1: not necessarily the guy who's maybe picking up on all
Speaker 1: the architectural subtleties like you, it is like you can
Speaker 1: bank on it. You know the course, you know those holes,
Speaker 1: you know, the top the world, They're going to be there.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that kind of bugs me about this.
Speaker 1: So the Players a little bit is like I use
Speaker 1: this analogy off you know, on some text with some
Speaker 1: friends on a site. It's like it's like a cook
Speaker 1: who's got like this perfect like a great like piece
Speaker 1: of meat, like a great steak or something, great piece
Speaker 1: of meat. You got the top fifty in the world,
Speaker 1: insane field, the best feel of the year on a
Speaker 1: recognizable course that like fans know and whether they love
Speaker 1: or hate, they know it and they have history with it.
Speaker 1: But then like you just like the tour just does things.
Speaker 1: They've got this piece of meat and they just start
Speaker 1: throwing all these crazy spices that don't go together and
Speaker 1: overseas in the hell out of it, and like it
Speaker 1: dominates the taste, like you just have all these things
Speaker 1: around it that on the ground. And I wrote this
Speaker 1: last year, like it's awesome. It's it's like a really
Speaker 1: fun party. It's a totally different vibe from the Masters.
Speaker 1: Obviously everything is a different vibe from the Masters, but
Speaker 1: and it's cool they embrace that, Like I enjoy the party,
Speaker 1: the party atmosphere, and like the kind of this is
Speaker 1: like a festival. Let's have flown and there's also golf happening.
Speaker 1: But like from Afar as someone like watching it on
Speaker 1: TV and taking it in, it's like there's just a
Speaker 1: little too much, Like they have a great product here,
Speaker 1: a good piece of meat. They don't need to kind
Speaker 1: of throw everything on it and dominate the taste of
Speaker 1: what should be an event with all the best in
Speaker 1: the world, the biggest perse and on a course that's
Speaker 1: kind that's recognizable and we have history.
Speaker 3: I would agree with that. It kind of ties back
Speaker 3: into our original discussion about whistling straight beautiful piece of
Speaker 3: land and they just did way too much to it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's the same thing, I think. I think
Speaker 3: just like if they if you just allow the tournament
Speaker 3: to speak for yourself, it would have like descended into
Speaker 3: its spot is considered a major, like a fifth major.
Speaker 3: But trying to force something in it's like it's like
Speaker 3: trying to convince somebody. If if you tell somebody that
Speaker 3: this that my idea is the greatest idea in the world,
Speaker 3: they probably are going to have more restraint and opposition
Speaker 3: towards your idea. But if you convince somebody to think
Speaker 3: that it's their idea, that it's the you know, the
Speaker 3: fifth Major, they're probably going to run with it and
Speaker 3: bang that drum, you know, and other people are going
Speaker 3: to follow them because it wasn't their idea, you know.
Speaker 3: But by by forcing you know, the idea down people's throats,
Speaker 3: they kind of backfired on them.
Speaker 1: So I will, I will, I will vouch for like
Speaker 1: the experience on the ground, I think agree great. I
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it, and I would encourage everyone
Speaker 1: to go. And I think like them trying to do
Speaker 1: all sorts of different stuff from the food trucks to
Speaker 1: whatever activation here or there is fine, Like I'm fine
Speaker 1: with that, and they want to make it as different
Speaker 1: an experience for the why you know, net of people there.
Speaker 1: That's fine, but I just think like the presentation from Afar,
Speaker 1: watching on TV, watching on the internet and consuming it,
Speaker 1: like the stuff on the internet just gets like a
Speaker 1: little bit too much. It's a great product. Let it
Speaker 1: speak for itself.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of sad that there's no blog cabin this year.
Speaker 2: I was thinking this time last year, we were playing
Speaker 2: the TV shootoutout.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not to uh that's also like, you know,
Speaker 1: speak up for the tour again here. But like I
Speaker 1: don't know that they like are really jamming the fifth
Speaker 1: major thing down our throats. I think it's more like
Speaker 1: that's like what Golf Channel needs to have a panel
Speaker 1: on that, and the writers need to have a panel
Speaker 1: about it. Is it a fifth major? Is it not
Speaker 1: a fifth I don't know that. Like I think there
Speaker 1: was probably an era when the tour wanted to like
Speaker 1: jam it in there as a fifth major, But I
Speaker 1: think like now they're like that's just like a media
Speaker 1: debate that exists.
Speaker 2: It's interesting going back and reading old players stories from
Speaker 2: like eighty two and like there were columns all the time.
Speaker 2: I don't know who brought up those writers or I
Speaker 2: think it was more writers and players. It was like,
Speaker 2: but that was a talking point back in like eighty two.
Speaker 2: It's like when I saw that Alison McKenzie was saying
Speaker 2: the ball was going too far, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: we really just have the same arguments over and over again,
Speaker 2: no matter what they're about. But I think it's just
Speaker 2: a thing that people were considering it. You know, when
Speaker 2: it went to Sawgrass or TBC saw Grass and they
Speaker 2: decided there should be four and not five. But I
Speaker 2: think it was just something that was people were considering
Speaker 2: as the players kind of grew and prestige, I guess, don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, everybody make their picks. Then we're we'll
Speaker 3: get out of here on some overrated, underrated go ahead,
Speaker 3: you got wait, who'd you pick again?
Speaker 2: Shambo?
Speaker 1: All the way you're taking win Wow, loll in.
Speaker 2: I might wear a Hogan cap for the course.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Puma Hogan cat.
Speaker 2: I think now I'm gonna go Wednesday to the first
Speaker 2: time is pressure and try to get just deep in
Speaker 2: his process. I just want to hear what he did
Speaker 2: prepare for this test.
Speaker 1: Instead of your phone, you should take your laptop out
Speaker 1: on the course. Just pretend like you're punching in data,
Speaker 1: like do that little one armhole hold like your server
Speaker 1: carrying a tray. Just type it in numbers, following it
Speaker 1: in Oh yeah, make it a surface. Yeah, make it
Speaker 1: so it's all.
Speaker 2: Make it like hey, and they are on the course
Speaker 2: and Sean reality.
Speaker 3: Make it seem like it's his idea to come up
Speaker 3: and talk to you.
Speaker 1: You know, I I like Stenson. Uh, Sean stole my
Speaker 1: thunder there a little earlier. I think, you know, it's
Speaker 1: obviously one here that was before he kind of jack
Speaker 1: did from pro golf there for about a year. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I love Stenson. You know he's taken the whole month
Speaker 1: off since the Masters, but played the Florida Swing well,
Speaker 1: played Houston well played the Masters as well for a
Speaker 1: guy who'd never really played the Masters all that well.
Speaker 1: So I I like Stenson with this course history here
Speaker 1: and you know his form.
Speaker 3: I love how Stinson sets his schedule and is so like,
Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't care about skipping a WGC event.
Speaker 3: You know, if he wants a month off, he takes
Speaker 3: a month off. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Got Casey, I forgot. We even talked about all these all.
Speaker 2: Right, So since Stinson the Hall of Famer, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's.
Speaker 1: Like metal silver, Metal, historic Open like I mean, I
Speaker 1: think like the way that Open went down too. I
Speaker 1: know that they don't really look at that probably, but yeah,
Speaker 1: the way he won the Open FedEx.
Speaker 3: Cup for players, He's almost got twenty worldwide wins.
Speaker 1: Race to Dubai Championship or whatever they call it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm in favor. I just was curious
Speaker 2: for other people's opinions.
Speaker 3: I'd be interested. You know that he's an interesting guy
Speaker 3: because he's one of those guys that lost his game
Speaker 3: like twice. Yep, you know where he fell off of.
Speaker 3: You know, Westwood lost his game too. He could be
Speaker 3: coming back from his second time losing his game.
Speaker 1: I follow Westy on Instagram and it's just it's it's
Speaker 1: him in the gym and that it's him having a cocktail,
Speaker 1: and there's not very much golf sprinkled in between, which
Speaker 1: is fine. I mean, live your life. I'm not being critical,
Speaker 1: but it's just always him in the gym and then
Speaker 1: him having a.
Speaker 2: Cocktail, i know, or eating something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: It's like he's a big foodie, loves loves cocktail. Then
Speaker 3: he hits the gym the next morning. Yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 3: need to work on the gym, you know. He hits
Speaker 3: the ball good regardless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's shame he's not there this week, all right.
Speaker 3: Overrated underrated sixteen through eighteen.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say it's underrated for because I mean,
Speaker 1: Lord the Island Hall, but I think it's underrated. I
Speaker 1: love it. I mean I think like I think because
Speaker 1: I think because all the shine and run publicity goes
Speaker 1: to seventeen, you kind of lose sixteen and eighteen, like
Speaker 1: we don't we know what they're all about, but you
Speaker 1: have a part five, Part three, and a really tough
Speaker 1: part four. I think it's I think it's underrated. I
Speaker 1: think it's awesome. It's an incredible finishing stretch, and like
Speaker 1: the Island Hole is just a piece of that, you know.
Speaker 1: I think sixteen is a such a fun hole of watch.
Speaker 1: You can make an eagle if you get you know,
Speaker 1: you pull something crazy off on your second shot, and
Speaker 1: eighteen I thinks makes you hit two great shots to
Speaker 1: make a pop. I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna agree with Brendan, I think two in talking
Speaker 2: to guys about March. One of the cool things is
Speaker 2: the wind actually shifts a lot more in March, and
Speaker 2: so you'll get days where seventeen is gonna be into
Speaker 2: the wind, which those were the days when it was
Speaker 2: like carnage and I wrote my big carnish, my big
Speaker 2: story for the week on ninety eight and Len Maties
Speaker 2: and like that kind of finishes only possible this week.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go underrated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going underrated too. Seventeen is overrated, but sixteen
Speaker 3: and eighteen. What I like about is you can make
Speaker 3: birdie and in the case of sixteen, eagle on either hole,
Speaker 3: but you can also make like a double triple or
Speaker 3: you know, we've seen tens on number seventeen, So I
Speaker 3: would say say it's underrated. I think eighteen's a really
Speaker 3: good hole too. I know it's distance. That's another one
Speaker 3: where distance has kind of heard it a little bit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's a good, good golf hole. All right.
Speaker 3: So how about how about Xander Schafle. He's ranked twenty
Speaker 3: fifth in the world or twenty ninth. Is he underrated? Overrated?
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Sean, I'm gonna say overrated. I think you
Speaker 2: know you get when you get on heaters and everything
Speaker 2: seems to be going right. It's really easy, and I
Speaker 2: think that I am surprised by what's happened. I think
Speaker 2: when he started the year with like a third in Malaysia,
Speaker 2: you know, it just showed that he was going to
Speaker 2: keep rolling. And he's been pretty consistent, like he's only
Speaker 2: missed one cut this year. He's got a couple of
Speaker 2: top tens, finished ninth at Riviera, which shows he can
Speaker 2: play archtectually significant golf courses. But I don't I mean
Speaker 2: it just we haven't seen. I mean Greenbrier and Tour
Speaker 2: Championship we haven't seen. You know, he played with the
Speaker 2: US Open obviously, but he was not a heater there.
Speaker 2: But I need to see, you know, we need to
Speaker 2: see another win here soon. I feel like I feel
Speaker 2: like when he won the Tour Championship, we were thinking,
Speaker 2: this guy who's gonna win two times a year.
Speaker 1: I think he became overrated him on like the hipster.
Speaker 1: He became like the hipster golf choice, you know, as
Speaker 1: an X man. That doesn't mean I don't love him
Speaker 1: any last. I like the guy. He's not really been
Speaker 1: a factor though, since what the Florida the California West
Speaker 1: Coast Swain not really like.
Speaker 2: That he was like the dark horse of the class
Speaker 2: of twenty eleven because he was in that but he
Speaker 2: stayed all the years, went to a smaller school, didn't
Speaker 2: play a ton of a j aga, And so that's
Speaker 2: where I think your take. I agree with that, But
Speaker 2: Western am champ.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're really like forcing our hand here saying
Speaker 1: but that's the point of overrated underrated. It feels raw
Speaker 1: to call him overrated. But I think like he became,
Speaker 1: he became like kind of the you know, taste soup
Speaker 1: of the day there for the hipster crowd.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I think, and I mean that's
Speaker 2: he's got got a lot of work to do there
Speaker 2: to make that team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's underrated. You know why, because he
Speaker 3: didn't even play in the players last year.
Speaker 1: Now he's back.
Speaker 3: Think about that. He wasn't even in the players last year.
Speaker 3: You know, we haven't even hit the stretch where he
Speaker 3: peaked last year, so we got a lot of golf left.
Speaker 3: Maybe he he doesn't get warmed up, maybe until the summer,
Speaker 3: and he's already notched, uh, you know, a top ten.
Speaker 3: He's only missed one cut.
Speaker 1: Underrated him or Bryson low rookie.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, Bryson won. I mean, Zanarky finished two,
Speaker 2: but Bryson's.
Speaker 3: Bryson's all the way. I'm so on the Bryson train.
Speaker 3: If if if I hadn't already picked Bryson in my
Speaker 3: one and Dunne league, I would be picking Bryson this week.
Speaker 2: The thing I hate with overrated underrated is like Xander
Speaker 2: could win, you know, in three weeks, and now he's
Speaker 2: got three wins all of a sudden, like, oh, how
Speaker 2: can we ever doubt Xander? What idiots we were?
Speaker 1: That's the that's the beauty of it. That's the devil.
Speaker 3: That's why I took underrated so I can look back
Speaker 3: and say, you guys are idiots.
Speaker 2: I still think he's good. I just I mean, he
Speaker 2: might not win this year, and we were thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be like an annual occurrence.
Speaker 3: Winning is so hard it is.
Speaker 2: And overrated overrated winning?
Speaker 3: What about Taco Lou overrated?
Speaker 2: Underrated amazing? I mean I love it now. It definitely
Speaker 2: doesn't lack publicity. But I'm gonna go underrated because I
Speaker 2: still think eighty five percent of the listeners don't know
Speaker 2: what it is, but the Taco Royale is. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's amazing. I go there just to get that eight
Speaker 2: three of those.
Speaker 1: I've only been there once. I'm not a Jacksonville resiment,
Speaker 1: but I went there once. Sat with Luke Guthrie, I think,
Speaker 1: and DJ Paiehowski, Chris Solomon, all friends friends of the pod,
Speaker 1: and it was incredibly enjoyable experience and a great meal.
Speaker 1: So I think it's underrated. But tweets about Taco Lou
Speaker 1: extremely overrated. I don't need to hear about Taco Lou. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like like Sean was saying, you know, not all you know,
Speaker 1: we don't need to hear about it. Nobody else knows
Speaker 1: about it other than you tweeted about it. No one's
Speaker 1: been there, your followers haven't been there. You don't need
Speaker 1: to talk about it. So it's a great place. It
Speaker 1: just doesn't need to be, you know, tweeted about all day.
Speaker 2: The problem is social media just overrates everything. Everything has
Speaker 2: overrated social media because everyone jumps on the bandwagon. They
Speaker 2: got to make content to prove that they were there,
Speaker 2: you know, before it got big, and it's just this
Speaker 2: is all social media. This wouldn't even be a segment
Speaker 2: of your podcast wasn't for social media.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what if if I if you take
Speaker 3: Taco Lou out of Jacksonville and you put it in Chicago,
Speaker 3: it probably wouldn't be a top twenty taco place. Overrated
Speaker 3: place stinks.
Speaker 1: Oh geez, it's hard for me to god.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing. If you if you take it out,
Speaker 3: put it into a great taco scene, not anything special.
Speaker 1: And what do you base? How many times have you
Speaker 1: been there?
Speaker 3: Twice?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: I one time went to there, I went to their stand.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can really count count.
Speaker 2: That doesn't count.
Speaker 1: Well, you hear about the stand, you know, don't stop.
Speaker 2: They have they have an underrated brunch.
Speaker 3: I will say that, m all right, brunch might be overrated.
Speaker 3: Like I've never had a bad brunch, just bad.
Speaker 2: I've ever had brunch, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: You've never been eaten breakfast at a later time in
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 2: I wake up at five am, so lunch is eleven am.
Speaker 2: At eleven am is lunch. It's not brunch at that point.
Speaker 3: Have you ever had breakfast food for lunch?
Speaker 2: I've had breakfast for dinner once, you have a kid too. Man,
Speaker 2: you gotta eat when they're hungry, so you can't be
Speaker 2: waiting around till eleven to have your breakfast. They'll lose
Speaker 2: their minds, you know.
Speaker 3: Sean, next time we're in the same city, we're gonna
Speaker 3: go get brunch.
Speaker 2: Together, shinny little little Long Island brunch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that'd be good.
Speaker 1: I would love it that Hampton's brunch crowd would be
Speaker 1: quite the introduction to the brunch scene for Sean Martin.
Speaker 1: You know, that's like, you know, playing the tips that
Speaker 1: you know, whistling straight. So you're a thirty six handicap,
Speaker 1: never played golf before, you're just throwing them right into
Speaker 1: the Hampton's brunch scene.
Speaker 2: That might be a little we can't have too many
Speaker 2: of Moses. Probably got to write about Bryson's US open window.
Speaker 3: All right, guys, we're gonna end it on that note,
Speaker 3: and all right we'll have a good yeah savage, all right, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not making friends in the Jacksonville area.
Speaker 2: No, not allowed back in Duval County.
Speaker 3: All right, guys, all right, have a good week, and uh,
Speaker 3: we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
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