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Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life. Hello, Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: additional Club Shashay. I am your host, also the proprietor

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Speaker 1: of Club Shasha and the guy that's stopping by for

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Speaker 1: a drinking conversation today. If a Diamond and platinum selling

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Speaker 1: UH singer, songwriter, producer, Grammy nominated recording label, owner, entrepreneur

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Speaker 1: and philanthropy acn R. Baby, how are you doing from

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Speaker 1: the creole all the way from the eight How you

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Speaker 1: doing amazing? Man? Cook? Let me get this pronounce your

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Speaker 1: full name for me Ellen dum a good time, put

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Speaker 1: The only thing, the only thing I heard was a

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Speaker 1: can that y'all read together? Okay, everything else running together

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Speaker 1: for sure? Okay, So how you say the first part

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Speaker 1: a loom duha time boodoo naka lu lulu. Also also

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Speaker 1: what they wrote on my card all that's not you

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Speaker 1: got more names than that, You got like seven eight names.

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Speaker 1: So let met your question. Who actually called you your

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Speaker 1: government name? What? They just call you a car? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my family's called me Ali. Then you just called you Ali.

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Speaker 1: So if if somebody were like, if you're walking down

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Speaker 1: you got new music coming out. What made you just

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. I mean, look, I love your stuff. I

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Speaker 1: just passionately liking it personally, right, Like if I like

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Speaker 1: to Jersey. I like i'ven have until this day. I

427
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 1: left my furniture, everything in that apartment. Never came back

428
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 1: for it, you know. But then when I realized the

429
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 1: opportunities in Jersey and I mean Atlanta, and then the

430
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 1: people and how nice they was, the food and the

431
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 1: beautiful women, and it was just it was like it

432
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: was a no brainer. It was a no brainer. So

433
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 1: you came in where ninety five. I came in ninety

434
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: four ninety four. Oh so you came to Freak Nigga

435
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 1: last day. This would never happen to New Jersey. I

436
00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: don't care. I mean, we had Freak nigg We had

437
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 1: Jack to wrap up, right, we had everything anything. Freak

438
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: Nick is wood stock man, steroids, WoT I mean? And

439
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody goes to Coachella, But Freak

440
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: Nick ain't. Nothing like Freaknick and nothing like it. You

441
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 1: had a student before blowing up. You went to you

442
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: went to jail for arm robbery, stealing cars. Bro I

443
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: know you know that's stealing cars, Davis because the owner

444
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 1: run out there up own you and then what But

445
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: that's the thing. In Jersey, we kind of perfected the

446
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 1: art of stealing cars. I know, sounds crazy, I know,

447
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 1: but that's what we was knowing for Jersey, Like, this

448
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: is what we do. So when I came in Atlanta,

449
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: because they didn't know anything about you ahead of your time,

450
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: nothing about it, so it was like the perfect It

451
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: was so perfect. You had a studio. Who's some of

452
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: the famous artists that came through your studio? Man, everybody worked,

453
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 1: I mean practically almost everybody from Atlanta if you name,

454
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: they didn't work through our studio, like literally everybody. You're

455
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 1: still getting usher TLC. I mean, I mean even everybody, everybody, everybody,

456
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 1: So everybody came through us studio. You're sitting You're sitting

457
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: on your cot and you says, I want to worked

458
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: with Michael Jackson. Did you always know what you wanted

459
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: to do? From that moment on, You're like, you know what, Lord,

460
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: if you get me out of this situation, I promise

461
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: you I will never ever come back. I will never

462
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: ever ask you to do me another favorite Again, those

463
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: are my exact words, too, Lord. I won't steal a

464
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: piece of Bubba guy. It's getting me out in the situation.

465
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: And I promise you and I kept my worry that

466
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: my life has been amazing ever since. When we see

467
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 1: we see what happened with P and B Robb and

468
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: we see what we see what a pop smoke, what's

469
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: going on? It goes back to this generation again trying

470
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: to prove to people. Right. So you get to the

471
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: position where, Okay, it's one thing to acknowledge the fact

472
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: that there's people out there starving, yes, struggling, yes, But

473
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: it's another thing to know it and flash it in

474
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: their face and make them feel as if they're less

475
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: than what they're what they should be. Right. So, if

476
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: you're utilizing someone else's environment to profit, the people that's

477
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 1: being profited from is gonna feel some kind of way, right,

478
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: and they're gonna feel like, not only did you owe

479
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: them something, but it's disrespectful, that's just being poor and

480
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: knowing this. Right. So when you get to a situation

481
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: like that, you gotta also respect the idea of knowing

482
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: that the environment and what you came from that you

483
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: don't plan to go back or if you did, or

484
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: if you haven't done anything for those people that feel

485
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: that you should. There's gonna be some repercussions and you

486
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: opening up the treasure trunk of yours blessing because unfortunately,

487
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: our people, as black people, we just believe we're owe something.

488
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: Made it from you made it from here. You gotta

489
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: break it back. But even you, Nipsey meysically wouldn't give

490
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: it back. The community give me back, and it still

491
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: happens because that jealousy. Man, we have this. That's why

492
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: the community is like that. It's not like that in

493
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: other communities. It really they not feel like they're old something.

494
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean because now I gotta man, I gotta drive

495
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: a beat up truck, or I gotta dress down because

496
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: I'm afraid somebody gonna see something and be mad at

497
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: me because I bust my ass to make it out.

498
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 1: And now you jealous because I got on some design

499
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: or I got a little a little chain, or I

500
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: drive a nice car. You're like, bro, you owe me,

501
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: break me off. Nah, get up and go to work.

502
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that everybody. Everybody's not gonna be gonna

503
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: make millions of dogs, right, but you can, you can

504
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: do something you should. You shouldn't feel like, well, you

505
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: got I'm gonna take it from you. It's it's just

506
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: unfortunate because we've created this, this this scenario that we

507
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: have to value ourselves with material things, right, and that's

508
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: how we measure ourselves, right, that's how we measure ourselves.

509
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 1: So when somebody's coming up, the first thing they do

510
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: is buy a car, by house, buy some jewelry. Right, So,

511
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: and then this is saying, Okay, you gotta look like

512
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: money to make money. Half the time were faking until

513
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: we make it. And that's just being real. Now I

514
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: ain't going in debt. I make it. I'm just saying

515
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: as a culture, as a culture, we take it till

516
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: we make it. It is right because me and I

517
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: and it's it's like a radar. Because if I walk

518
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: into a business meeting and somebody's allrin trinking it up

519
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: with all these ornaments on them, I already know he

520
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: ain't got no money. I already know you broke. You

521
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: ain't fooling me broke. That used to be me off top,

522
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm now now I'm tuned out already, because like, why

523
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: do you have to do all that? Right? If you're successful,

524
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: just come show me to you know, present what you

525
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: got to present and sell it. Yeah, but all actually

526
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: is to try. You said you you like you believe

527
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: labels are making money off rappers dying one, Oh yeah

528
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean because, believe me, there's a lot

529
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of things that can be put

530
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: in place to prevent it. Believe it. You know. But

531
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we can't always blame

532
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: the establishment for mistakes that we make it right right,

533
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: because it ain't like we don't know better either. Like

534
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: it goes back to people used to always get on

535
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: Jay on why he don't go back to Marcy projects.

536
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, why should he? Yeah, and do what because

537
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: somebody jealous and do what? But what? But why? Why?

538
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: Why are we like that? I mean you look at

539
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: uh Justin Timber ain't trying to beat up Robin Thick.

540
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, so why is it the rap culture?

541
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: Why is it us that feel that even if it's

542
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: nothing there, we will create a situation. And it's about,

543
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, now you got to

544
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: be disrespectful about somebody's girl. You gotta be disrespectful about

545
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: you know how I snack your chain and you snack

546
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: there or I ran up on your boy. What what what? What? What?

547
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: What's what's so big about that? What? What? What? What's? Honestly,

548
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: God can never understand that. It's till this day, I

549
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: don't know how to answer a question like that. It's

550
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: just mentality has been so twisted and the story and

551
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: this history of just being manipulated by each other, and

552
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: then we don't have trust amongst each other. So it's

553
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: hard for us to come together and create anything great

554
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: because it's always gonna be this, Uh, you know, he

555
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: got more than I dead, or why should he be

556
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: in that position when I created? Or you know, it's

557
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: established this it's never say let's look, let's just put

558
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: all that aside and out how we can come together,

559
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 1: put our sorts together and create something great right without

560
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: and actually wanting it for each other then to be

561
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: jealous of each other, right, It's just I mean, it's tough.

562
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you can always blame it on history because

563
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: we we always been separated according to classes. We've always

564
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: been you know, but at the end of day, there

565
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: has to be a time in life where we could say,

566
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: you know what, yes it happened, but we can do

567
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: something about it. Right, But when do you get tired

568
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: enough to say, let's just stop talking and protesting and

569
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: just have and let actions actually allow us to come

570
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: together and create something great, it said. Fat Joe says

571
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: he believed rappers are an in dangered species. You believe that.

572
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a new rapper die every week. It's

573
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: the most dangerous ocupation in the world. Right now, Did

574
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: this start with the biggest in Tupac B Because I

575
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: don't remember. Look, I remember when L and Kumo D

576
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: hadn't n I used that. I used that as an

577
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: example all the time. It was L was trying to

578
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: roll up on Mod Kumo D wasn't trying to rolled

579
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: up on him, right, and we just ain't. It was

580
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: just you know, live far at it's fine, it's rap.

581
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: And then that was built on battling, and then somehow

582
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: Tupac and bigger and it escalated to that level and

583
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: we hadn't looked back since. Yeah, it's unfortunate because a

584
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: lot of the gangsters are very emotional. They're the most

585
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: emotional people on the planet. And most of 'em was

586
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: raised by their mother or their grandmothers. Their father figures

587
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't a part of their lives, so the man side

588
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: of them that would take a joke ain't there because

589
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: the father wasn't there to show. Okay, as a man,

590
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: your skin should be as tough as leather. Little words

591
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: should never affect you. Right to the point now, I

592
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: mean because of me being raised more from my African

593
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: side of my family. It's like, okay, you get it,

594
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: because it's just a different level of a responsibility that

595
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: the man like owns today. The man of the house

596
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: will easily tell you, well, that ain't my responsibility. That's

597
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: all a matter of fact. He's not a role model.

598
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: You got famous people that says I'm not a role model.

599
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: That ain't my That's not my responsibility, right, Okay, then

600
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: whose responsibility is it? If the kids are looking up

601
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: to you, right, it's not a choice. This comes with

602
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: the territory. Once you become successful and you're in a

603
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: position where you actually influence people, that's your role towards

604
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: God to say, man, he put me in this position

605
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: for a reason. It ain't just for me to focus

606
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: on myself and tell everybody else, show everybody how hot

607
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: I am. I gotta actually be some kind of used

608
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: to the environment and to population to say okay, cool.

609
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: I have to lead by example because what I do,

610
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: kids are watching this and gonna want to do the

611
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: same thing, and you gotta keep that in mind. Right,

612
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: Kanye West, You've defended Kanye West in the past, and

613
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: I believe in freedom of speech, but I believe you

614
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: can take it too far also, Right, What are your

615
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: thoughts on Kanye right now? Well, yeah, y'are always I'm

616
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: always defending the people that nobody wants to defend. I'm

617
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: always defending Kanye West because I always believe in life,

618
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: an opinion is just an opinion. If you say something

619
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: that I don't agree with, I just don't agree with it, right,

620
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna jumping all over mad and letting

621
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: it affect my energy. But he's a person of influence.

622
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: It goes, it goes right back to that right now,

623
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: the last comments he made in these last days, I

624
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: definitely don't agree, right, because it's there was a reason

625
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: why the phrase black Lives Matter was even created. Right,

626
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a concept for marketing againmicking right. It

627
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: was a history of behavior and hurt and pain that

628
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: led to that, to the point where the world was like,

629
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: wait a minute, something our lives got the matter too.

630
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: It has to right, right, So I see what maybe

631
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: what he was trying to say or what he was

632
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: trying to do. Clearly, everybody, we all believe that all

633
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: lives matter, correct, we do, right, I mean it has

634
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: to matter for us to survive. Yeah, it spoke to me,

635
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: all lives matters. But we've seen all lives don't matter.

636
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: It hasn't mattered. All lives hadn't matter. Right, So you

637
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: can't use your emphasis or that phrase into a situation

638
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: like this, right because it don't fit here. Right, this

639
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: has to be resolved first before that happens, right, you

640
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. In order for all lives to matter,

641
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: this this, these lives have to matter, correct, because we're

642
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: the lives that's driving economy, sports, entertainment, fashion. I mean,

643
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: multi billion dollar corporations are benefiting from our sweat, tears, work,

644
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: influence everything. So if our lives don't matter, nothing really

645
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: actually matters in America. He said about you know, he's

646
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: gonna go deafcom one two three says something about the

647
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: Jewish communities. He was supposed to be on the shop,

648
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: his interview on the shop. They canceled that Candice Owen

649
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: showed something from JP Morgan Chase where they said we're

650
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: ending our relationship. When a bank says I'm gonna end

651
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: my relationship with an individual and that individual is worth billions, right,

652
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: I think that speaks volume. That says a lot. That

653
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: says because one thing we know about banks, they like money.

654
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: What they like more than money is your money. They

655
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of absolutely, But that I mean,

656
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean someone like Kanye. I think sometimes in certain

657
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: areas he honestly forgets that his opinion doesn't always matter, right,

658
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't. He thinks his opinion is low though he

659
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: thinks his opinion always matters. His opinion is just his opinion.

660
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: But as us as us listening to it, we got

661
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: to also know that too. But then to your point,

662
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: there's kids that don't know the difference between how powerful

663
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: this opinion is right when they're themselves are trying to

664
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: find themselves. But you know what, sometimes Kanye forget that

665
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: he you and our color, and then they got to

666
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: do things to remind him. No, they got to remind him.

667
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: They have to remind And honestly, I think he knows, No,

668
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: he don't know. He forgets I think no, I think

669
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: I think Kanye is smarter than y'all. Thing. This the

670
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: brilliant side of him. What is what is his next

671
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: plan to run for office? Right? I'm just saying yea,

672
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: from our knowledge, his next plan is to run for office? Right?

673
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: Who is his main endorsment? Trump? Okay? Now, in order

674
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: for Kanye even have a shot, he needs a piece

675
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: of that that base. Yes, this is how he's getting

676
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: it right. He knows this. Yes, he knows this's gonna Okay,

677
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: he gonna He's gonna make a lot of black people angry.

678
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: But guess what we're forgiving people. He knows that too.

679
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You ain't saying something fucked up,

680
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: but guess what. Tomorrow you're gonna do something great. We're

681
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: gonna be like, you know what, that nigga crazy? But

682
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: he yeah, he make good music. Yeah, he's kind of

683
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: playing to see saw. But he gotta be careful because

684
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: if it's too much weight on one side or not

685
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: enough weight on the other side, he's gonna go down.

686
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: You're originally from Saint Louis. Yeah, man, me know, me

687
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: and Nellie like brothers, Like we went to the same

688
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: middle school. Okay, that's like my heart right there. So

689
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: did you want to did did you want to do

690
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: music when you were when you were little? When did

691
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: you want what did you want to do when you

692
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: were growing up? When you were like in middle school,

693
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: say you're like nine, ten eleven, What did they can

694
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: want to be? I wanted to be a brain surgeon.

695
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: And then I wanted to be an FBI agent. I

696
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: know it's crazy, right music. And then the music part

697
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: came when I was locked up, when I realized, okay, cool,

698
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: when I get out of here, I need to find

699
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: something that's gonna keep me out of here, something that's

700
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: gonna also a lot me to be wealthy. And then

701
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: all this time music has always been there as a hobby.

702
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: So in music always had always had the love for music, right,

703
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: you had a love for music. But it wasn't nothing

704
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: that I ever wanted to pursue as well thought that

705
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: I would be pursuing as a career. Okay, it was

706
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: always a hobby. And then you get locked up and

707
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: you said, okay, I gotta find something I can do.

708
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: This's gonna keep me not to get locked up again.

709
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: And then so when you got out, so so how

710
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: did you How did you find this? You had this

711
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: gift for music. Well, the gift for music came from

712
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: my father. My father was a jazz musician, right, and

713
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: he always was. Well, he was a jazz musician before

714
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: you got locked up. He just didn't realize he was

715
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: a magician when you there. No, I knew that. But

716
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: the thing is, you didn't play the instruments. Yeah. I

717
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: played all instruments as well, But he used to listen.

718
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: I used to go to all his shows and everything,

719
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: but it was jazz. And I was a kid. No

720
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: kid loves jazz. So that's what threw me up. I'm like,

721
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to be listening to this all man

722
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: like to hit the horn and the sacks, the trump

723
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: and the trump. Yeah, but when you playing with groups

724
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: like the World Saxophone Quartet, where every player that's playing

725
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: brass plays their own thing all years. But like you

726
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: know what, I'm talking a stuff that just all over

727
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: the place. I couldn't get a sense of just a

728
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: real melody with real rhythm, like it was always the

729
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: jazz was always so diverse, and everyone everywhere I went

730
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: it was a different type of jazz. I I used

731
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: to like the real soft jazz with the you know,

732
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: the high hat, with the you know like me, you know,

733
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: soft listening to me. That's the kind of jazz I

734
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: used to like, but I never really heard that much.

735
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: So as I got older and I was into the streets,

736
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't really talk to people about situations I was

737
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: going through, so I wouldn't write songs about them. Right,

738
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: That was my way of kind of venting. And then

739
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: when I started making money and I had to justify

740
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: where the money was coming from, that's when I started

741
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: investing it into recording studios. Okay, and at that time

742
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: cash recording Street was a cash business, So I would

743
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: allow any and everybody to use my studios for free,

744
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: just to keep it busy, to justify where the money

745
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: was from. But whenever there was time of that, that

746
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: is what they call it. I know that ain't what

747
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: I thought he was. I never knew that wouldn't even exist.

748
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: You would watch him. So that's what that happened to me,

749
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: just writing about my experiences. So when I got locked up,

750
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: that habit followed me in jail and I got about

751
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: being locked up. Wow, yeah, you know, it just happened naturally.

752
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: Saint Louis. You know Nelly did. Nell is a hell

753
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: of an athlete. I am surprised me. I mean, he could,

754
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: he could run, he could catch, you can shoot the basketball.

755
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: He was he was unbelievable football skills and baseball baseball.

756
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: He was a monster. Yes, I was surprised. Honestly, I'm

757
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: surprised that Nelly ain't go pro like he really had

758
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: to potentially go pro. Do you think Nellie would be

759
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: on the side that you are? Did you think? I

760
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: mean you thought he was gonna go pro in baseball

761
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: and here he turns out to be one of the biggest,

762
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, rappers and from the Midwest. Are you surprised

763
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: that he went that route? Honestly, I'm I'm not because

764
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: Nelly was always is the cool kid right at school,

765
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: I mean in middle school and high school, right because

766
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: he was a great athlete, niggas handsome. I mean, he

767
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: was gonna be somebody, right, But I didn't. I didn't.

768
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I I honest didn't. Rap was the

769
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: last thing on my mind. Right. Yeah, you mentioned your

770
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: your your African background, your heritage, your roots wasn't a

771
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: culture shop coming from Africa and being here and the

772
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: way you did things over there, op poster. No complete complete.

773
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't know how to explain. Imagine Okay,

774
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: imagine being this kid living in the jungle, okay, or

775
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: with a rural Africa, right, No, it was it was.

776
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: It was a little better than Tarzan. Tarzan. So imagine

777
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: no electricity, right, no running water right. And I was

778
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: like I just picked. I was the the barefoot, the

779
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: kid playing soccer in the sand. Okay. There was no

780
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: cars in the area of Africa where I was at,

781
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: Like you had to go all the way in through

782
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: the city. And we never went through the city. So

783
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: we was there where where the horses where you had

784
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: to jump on the back of the horse bag. So

785
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: I went from that to getting on the airplane. Now,

786
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: looking in the sky, I always to always think those

787
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: are birds. I never knew they were actual air I

788
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: never knew what they was. Right when I get to

789
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: the airport, I see this big old bird, right, and

790
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a bird. So now we're going inside.

791
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm scared. I'm like, we're going inside the bird. I'm like, yo,

792
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: what it's going I go inside and there's seats and

793
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: chairs and stuff, and I'm like, I don't know what

794
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. But then i'm I want to sit

795
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: by the window because I want to so now as

796
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: the plane is taken off, I'm crying, thinking that's going

797
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: to fall through the ground. I'm booo tears. Then I

798
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: fall asleep, wake up into New York City. Wow. As

799
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: we're waking up, we're flying over New York City. I

800
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: see these high rise buildings right, a whole bunch of

801
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: yellow bugs going down the street. I'm not knowing their

802
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: cabs at the time. Right when I finally getting the

803
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, in the city, I'm looking around. I've never

804
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: seen anything like this in my life. Buildings, the tallest, heaven, cars,

805
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: faster than speed of light. It was like the jetsus

806
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: for me. Right then, my mom brings us to this

807
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: apartment that's so beautiful, so luxurious. I look at it

808
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: there like a normal apartment, but for me, it was

809
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my had

810
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: no running water, no electricity, and you had dirt floors,

811
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it might have been a

812
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: small apartment with running water. You had heat. Man, Listen,

813
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: I turned a knop and clean drinking water comes out.

814
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: Then I hit a switch and lights everywhere, and then

815
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: she fed me corn flakes. The most delicious shit I've

816
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: ever tasted. Is terrible. But the tiger out the frosted,

817
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: and I could relate to the tiger because I just

818
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: came from the jungle, right, So can you imagine my experience?

819
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: This culture shock was on a different level. Obviously, kids,

820
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: they you you talk different, you sound different, you look different.

821
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: You you know, we got some dark skinned brothers in Jersey, right,

822
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, you know theyin't seen you know, right, they

823
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: ain't seen nobody like me, and that you came in

824
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: the first place when school, So what was it? What

825
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: was it like for you? How was it? You know,

826
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: did they pick on you? We call it picking, but

827
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: they call it bullying or breaking for whatever they want

828
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: to call it. At the time, I think bullying is

829
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: a little too strong of a word for it, because well,

830
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: for us, our culture that we just joined in each other's.

831
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: But that's what that's that's what helped give you that right, right.

832
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: So when I first came, I was super nappy headed. Okay,

833
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: I mean black is tall, right, and black was not

834
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: a style, no, you know, No, the light skinned, curly

835
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: hair kids got all the girls. It was light was

836
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: the style there. We took Wesley Knife and Michael Jordan

837
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: for us to get the number one, right, honestly, honestly,

838
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: I think the it shifted when Tyson Beck forgot him

839
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: the supermodel. Yeah, then every girl wanted a dark yeah. Yeah, yeah,

840
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: that changed the game all of us. Yeah. Then Tyres

841
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: came with that smile in the co cold on commercial. Yeah,

842
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: then we started and I was like, okay, okay, yea,

843
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: then it started. Then when I came, it was more like, Okay,

844
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: he's really black, right, but why then he's like, well,

845
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: wait a minute, he's he's African. Right. But because me,

846
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: I was coming up in a different environment, I did

847
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: any and everything, you know, to to impressed the girls. Yeah.

848
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: We spend a lot of money in the clubs in Atlanta.

849
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 1: Why you know what you're coming it like that. Man,

850
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: I had to overdo it because I was dark. But

851
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: I also had to you know, and I was African,

852
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: so being black and African money at one like that,

853
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: no magic, Like I was at the City Gentleman's Club,

854
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: like I was there. Man, he's coming out of the realm,

855
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: come out, man, what so now? So now you're like, okay, okay,

856
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of like being on the side.

857
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: So this is what you became. Once you got out,

858
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: you started making a little you got some money, and

859
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I kind of I kind of like this, Okay,

860
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: this this can work. I'm on a straight and narrow

861
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: and you haven't looked back, never looked back so ever since.

862
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: I mean, but when you arrived in the stage, could

863
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: you speak English? No? I speak not a liqually English.

864
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: And then when I start learning, I started speaking with

865
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: this heavy African accent, which made them laugh even harder,

866
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: right right, So then I vowed to myself that I'm listen,

867
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn English. But once I know how to speak,

868
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: unless I tell you I'm African, you would never know.

869
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: Because I wanted to learn with no accents. So I

870
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: would literally pay so attention to how they spoke, the cadence,

871
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: the way they said it. How how did you learn?

872
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I hear a lot of people say, well,

873
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: I watch TV. I watch American TV shows. I listened

874
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: to them, and so that's how I learned. Because now,

875
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: I mean most people now, if you want to learn

876
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: a second language, you take classes you get book to rules,

877
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, and you and you learned

878
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: that way. But just looking at American television people, a

879
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: lot of people that says, well, I learned how watching

880
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: I love Lucy, I watch learning watching American TV show. Right,

881
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: it actually, I mean it actually works. But I think

882
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: it's all of the above because me, I learned majority

883
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: just by hanging with friends. Okay, you know, just hanging

884
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: on my friends and being outside all the time. Man,

885
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: how you get rid of it? I mean just being

886
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: around them. And I was around people that I've been

887
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: speaking in all my life, and I still talk with

888
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: the clue your dialect. But yeah, but yours is more

889
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: yea and draw. That was about to say, it's more southern. Southern.

890
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: It's hard to take off even in Atlanta. Even Atlanta,

891
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: I kind of try to find a way, like kind

892
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: of talked a lot there, you know what I'm saying,

893
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Like real shot, you know what I mean? Like I

894
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: can go there too, So I had to master the

895
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: art of accent blending, like for real shot, you know

896
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Real Shot, I mean obviously the food

897
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: he's up from Jersey. Yeah, yeah, the whole family. Man,

898
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: Cleff Lauren Price Spider, like all those guys kind of

899
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: brought me into the music world. They introduced me into

900
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: the music side of it. Okay, because when Cleff uh

901
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: met me, I actually met him because he sat in

902
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: my chair. I was cutting his hair as a barber. Yeah,

903
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: I was a barber. I don't even want to say

904
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: that because they y'all do a lot of jobs. I

905
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: didn't want to go there. I didn't want to go there.

906
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: I would leave that alone. You're gonna eat. So you know,

907
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: I was cutting his hair. And it's funny because Cleff knew,

908
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm literally cutting his hair. But then when

909
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: he saw it was parked outside, he was like, like

910
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: he knew. So he's like, yo, listen. You know I

911
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: got a studio. I had my uncle and provide for us.

912
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: You should come out there. You in the music. I

913
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I love to, So you had me

914
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: come to the studio. We used to write there and

915
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: produced there, come with records of songs. And that's how

916
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: I became a part of the refugee camp. And then

917
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: before you know it, they just introduced me to a

918
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: whole nother opportunity of what the world could be if

919
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: I embraced music. Man. I'm looking at some of the

920
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: artists that you worked with, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Madonna,

921
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones, Line of Rich and Snoop Dog, Doctor Dre.

922
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: You you remixed, uh want to be starting something with

923
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: Michael for the twenty fifth anniversary with the thriller right

924
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: when you? I mean when you talked to producers, it

925
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: doesn't get any better than Quincy Jones and Doctor Man.

926
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean you do. That's the goals too. I was

927
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: talking about I was talking about I think I was

928
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: talking to Snoop and that was like, Snoop, if it

929
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: was a versus battle, who would you put against Doctor Dre?

930
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: He's like, hell, the only person you could put it

931
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: with Quincy Jones, right, I mean he can't nobody. First

932
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: of all, I don't believe anybody could be Quincy, not

933
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: with all this he is because he chased too many,

934
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: too many and every yeah yeah, TV shows every genre,

935
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: so he's unbeatable. Annivers's battle, He's un like, you can't

936
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: even compare what what's what's it? What was Michael like? Man, Mike,

937
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: It hurts me every day to think about it, because

938
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: he was the coolest dude you probably would ever met.

939
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: And he was like the biggest misconception was Mike was

940
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: just this Hollywood character, right, But he wasn't. He was

941
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: the simplest guy and he can He knew when to

942
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: turn it on obviously because his generation, he knew what

943
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: a superstars supposed to look and feel like in public, right,

944
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: so when come public or he turned it on right,

945
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: like he knew like Mike was g like he hit

946
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: it right. But behind closed doors as a person man,

947
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: he used to have me crying like so funny, super cool,

948
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: just a great great heart man, pure her soul man.

949
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: So you do you remix? I want to be starting something.

950
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: How did that project come about? Actually, the project came

951
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: about because I received a call one day. Me and

952
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: Mike actually had the same attorney, but I didn't know

953
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: at the time that he shared attorneys. And then, you know,

954
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: my attorney called me. He was like, Mike wants you

955
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: to come on board and you know, and and produce

956
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: on his new rerelease for the thriller. I was like, man,

957
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: stop playing Michael Jackson. He said, yes, Michael Jackson. So

958
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: but he started laughing after he said it, So I

959
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: thought he was joking and at that time, like mine

960
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: got time for this. So I hung up the phone.

961
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: He calls me a back. He calls me back with

962
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: Mike on the phone on three way. He said, Mom,

963
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: what I told you? Mike is on the phone. Hi.

964
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: Mike talked to Con and he's like, hey, Con, how

965
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: are you with the voice? Right? That's all it's a bullshit.

966
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: So he calls back, right. He calls back. He said, no,

967
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: it's me, Seriously, it's me. I said, no, it's not.

968
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: He said, yes, it's me. He started telling me everything

969
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: about myself that I forgot about. It was so interesting

970
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: because when I flew out to Vegas to meet him,

971
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: I didn't understand. It made me realize how and why

972
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: he was so big. First of all, he was a

973
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: he was a music guy, like he was a fan

974
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: of the art and the people involved in it. Because

975
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: even how he explained and kind of narrated his story

976
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: about me from his point of view, he made me

977
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: look at myself different. But then, more than anything, I

978
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: started to realize how even how easy it was to

979
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: work with him, because out of every artist I ever

980
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: worked with, Mike was probably the easiest person to work with.

981
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: If I would have asked him to bark on the record.

982
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: He would have barked on the record only because he

983
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: believed in what I did and he wanted me to

984
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: be able to be to coach him to do so

985
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: if the collaboration felt like a real collaboration, you know

986
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it was just amazing. He had

987
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: no ego about nothing. He was willing to try any

988
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: and everything to make the best product he could it.

989
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: You were the last, I mean Michael Jackson last song

990
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: hold my Hand. Yeah, you worked with him with it,

991
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: like I never left. You worked. I was the last

992
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: to work on her as well too before she passed,

993
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: Which is crazy when you look and look, I understand

994
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: that because look, you worked with a lot of guys

995
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: from GEZ and all these guys. But you understand what

996
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: and it represents. You understand what Mike represents. You're talking

997
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: about the upper, upper, upper, there's levels to this music thing.

998
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: And you're talking about Michael. He's he's at the top

999
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: of the food chain. You're talking about Witness, She's at

1000
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: the top of the food chain. And the last to work.

1001
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: You were the last to work with them. Yeah, that

1002
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: was the only one that I that I was right

1003
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: in motion of working with before he left was Prince.

1004
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: He's the only one I missed that would have that

1005
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: would have sealed my legacy for that I'm trying to think.

1006
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: I think he had a concert in Atlanta, and the

1007
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: way he did his concerts, you could only buy you

1008
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: can only get two tickets, but you had to show

1009
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: up at the box office with the credit card in hand. Okay,

1010
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to wait no line. And the

1011
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: tickets that were like one hundred bucks, people were selling

1012
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: them for like two thousand and three thousand dollars, and

1013
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, hell nah. It was really the last

1014
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: concert he ever did. Get it at the Fox, And

1015
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: he's one of the only guys that I didn't get

1016
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see. And he's one of my favorite artists,

1017
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: and so I understand, you know, obviously I wasn't gona

1018
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: get a butt to just hear him, right right. You

1019
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to work with Michael, work with some

1020
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: of the people, work with a witness, and to say

1021
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: I worked with Prince because now again talk about the

1022
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: Prince was a little bit different and a little the

1023
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: reason why I was harder to lock block it get

1024
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: into him. Was because he himself was a writer and

1025
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: a producer. Correct, he created his own music, right, That's

1026
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: why I was such would have been such an honor

1027
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: for him to go outside that space of himself and

1028
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: experiment with someone else. Yes, you know what I mean.

1029
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: So it was it was a matter of just getting

1030
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: close enough to him, but just let him here. Here's

1031
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: some of the things that you promise you. If he

1032
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: would have heard it, he'd have been in. He'd have

1033
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: been locked. Right. But you could one thing about Prince,

1034
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: he always had that mistake that like, that's that's what

1035
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: I just one thing that I actually admired about that

1036
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: generation superstars wasn't easy to get to him, and they

1037
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: made it hard. So if you body did get to him,

1038
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: you had to make it count. Right. Today, you go

1039
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: to the mall, you see it everybody. You go to

1040
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: the club, you see it everybody. Everybody that's somebody. The

1041
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: access to these guys now is a lot different than

1042
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: what it was. What it was. You're probably you weren't.

1043
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: Probably you weren't bumping into Michael at the club unless

1044
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 1: it was Studio fifty four. You weren't bumping into friends.

1045
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: You weren't bumping into those guys unless it was a

1046
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: very very special occasion. Absolutely. Now, oh yeah, you go

1047
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: out and probably you bumping all of them. Yeah, you know,

1048
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: bumping all of them. I'm looking at. What was it

1049
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: like to work with Mike in the studio? Oh man,

1050
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: that's the best experience ever. Like Mike, Mike. Mike was

1051
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: the first artist that I worked with of at that

1052
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: time that didn't need no auto tune. He didn't need

1053
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: no auto tune. But I had to do it because

1054
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see auto tune on him. I

1055
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: guess a little bit. But so so when you hear

1056
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: people say, well, uh, I don't know how to recall.

1057
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: I hear people say talent and singing. Okay, if you

1058
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,479
Speaker 1: want to say talent, I think Prince is obviously because

1059
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: he can play no talent, has down, has down. He

1060
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: does everything right, his eyes closed. But when they would

1061
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: the people miss when they talk about Chris Brown and

1062
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: Michael Right. See, now y'all got to miss. No, I

1063
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: don't even want to talk y'all no more. I ain't

1064
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: got nothing to say no this. Let me let me

1065
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: let me give you another perspective on that. In this

1066
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: day and age, the only person, in my opinion, that

1067
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: could have achieved just as great as a legacy as

1068
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: Mike to me, would have been Chris Brown. I just

1069
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: believe that Chris Brown wasn't surrounded by the circle of

1070
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: creative people that Mike was surrounded by. Wow, because Chris

1071
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: got the talent. Wow, he just needed the direction right, right.

1072
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: So imagine if Chris had Mike's team, right, just imagine

1073
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: that it would it would be something different. And that's big.

1074
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: But Chris is like he got he got bloods around him,

1075
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: he got little gang bangers around right. He don't have

1076
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: the guidance, right, He's smart, but he's smart according to

1077
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: what this generation, smart attracts. Right. Okay, for me to

1078
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: survive in this error, I gotta keep certain things around me,

1079
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: certain people around me, just so I can keep getting

1080
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: the going right. But if he was able to delete

1081
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: all that to say, look, I'm gonna focus on being

1082
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: the greatest entertainer ever, Chris has the opportunity. It's too

1083
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: late now, yeah, yeah, yeah, But I think that's why

1084
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: everybody loved you know, because y' what are you so

1085
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: ain't Ain't nobody said I know how a Minion albums?

1086
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: But but but but you know, you got to streaming,

1087
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: so not. I don't know really how streaming work. Do

1088
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: you get a quarter, you get fifty cent, you get

1089
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: a dying for how many streams you get out? You

1090
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: know how that works. But I mean, he seems to

1091
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: be doing unbelievable in that. Oh yeah, he's killing it.

1092
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: He's killing it. I'm also you signed Lady Gaga Tea

1093
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: Pain Rinch Montana were as kids. You mentioned the auto

1094
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: tunes because auto tunes ruined the industry. Nah, it helped,

1095
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: it honestly helped because a lot of these saying tunes

1096
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: sound like I would rather you get on auto tune please.

1097
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: You know the most amazing part about working with the

1098
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: older generation artists like the Michael Jackson's and the Whitney

1099
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: Houses and the line of riches they need, they didn't

1100
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: need it. I never used any of the grass and

1101
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: all over back I mean everybody basically eight everybody from

1102
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: like from the nineties moving back towards the seventies and eighties,

1103
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: I mean eighties and seventies, they didn't use any of

1104
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: that impeccable and and guess what those recordings that you

1105
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: heard that you heard those are one takes because every

1106
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: time they messed up, they had to start again from

1107
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: the top, whereas us, if we mess up, we can

1108
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: just all right start from where I messed up at

1109
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: and repunch it. So it was a different It was

1110
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: a different time that they don't use no auto tunes

1111
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: now heard have mercy. That's what boys or hers? You signed,

1112
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: Lady gargar tea paying French Montana. Where as the kid,

1113
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: how did you meet these artists? Oh man, just in

1114
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: the Travelers is moving around with pain. My little brother

1115
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: Boo brought me pain. Okay, I get Boo the credit

1116
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: for finding discovering pain. I was just a platform that

1117
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: we can toss him one to give him get him

1118
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: to where he needed to, right ga ga. She was

1119
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: actually already on Interscope when I signed my label deal

1120
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: there and I saw her and I was like, yo, Jimmy,

1121
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: I need that for my label. And Jimmy tossed me

1122
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: that ball, gave me that like latest gifts he's ever

1123
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: get really sing? I mean people, I think I think

1124
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: sometimes people look at the makeup and see how the outfits.

1125
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: She's not human, bro, she is amazing, like creatively mentally

1126
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: like she's I mean, she she she thinks beyond the

1127
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: average artist, like just to come up with the things

1128
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: that you guys seen, we had the dumb certain things

1129
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: down just to get it across so people can understand it.

1130
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: But she's she's she's on a different level. What is

1131
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: what is your artist development process? How do you like? Okay,

1132
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: I got this person, this is where I think they

1133
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: can go right, here's the process that I'm gonna use

1134
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: in order to get them him or hurt there. How

1135
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: do you go about that? Like all the artists that

1136
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: I take full responsibility for it, they all go through

1137
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: the same system. They start with me. We figure out

1138
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: what they want to do, how they want to see

1139
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: their years in ten years. Okay, where you want your

1140
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: life to be in ten years. Then we have a

1141
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: real conversation about the industry, learn the business. Once they

1142
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: got that part right, then we take them straight to

1143
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: artist development. Take them right there to marvelous studios in Atlanta. Okay,

1144
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: the best that ever did it. All the artists that

1145
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: we ever love, from New Addition to Boys and Men

1146
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: to selc, you name it. He's shaped them up into superstars.

1147
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: They all go through that process. Okay. Then they come

1148
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: out of that we're go into the studio. Okay, we

1149
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: make the biggest hit record according to our conversations, your

1150
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: passion and what you want to be. Now we got

1151
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: a body of work. You've been through all his development,

1152
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: so you can speak well, you can perform well. You're

1153
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: prepared for what you're about to get. Then we're going

1154
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: through the right distribution partner. Who do we decide is

1155
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: a perfect partner for distribution for this record, depending on

1156
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: the side and where in territories that we want to go.

1157
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: Then we picked the labels that we want to partner.

1158
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: Once we got them, come and release dates, come, release,

1159
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: once we release. They're like, it's almost like raising a

1160
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: chick into a chicken and just letting the letting it go,

1161
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: put an oven and it's a great meal. I let

1162
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: it go. Ain't what you know. I ain't what you

1163
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: did about putting the other and now, but you willing

1164
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 1: to let your artists out of contracts, you don't believe

1165
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: contract We see what Meg the Stallion is going through

1166
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: so many even Mike ended up having a problem with

1167
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: his with his label Prints had a problem with his label.

1168
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, y'all, you're not happy. You want to

1169
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: leave okay, right, I mean, all my contracts are built

1170
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: to create superstars, entrepreneurs and give them the freedom to

1171
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: give that opportunity to somebody else, right, So I never

1172
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: hold him to the fullest extent of the contract. Ever,

1173
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: at the moment they feel like, okay, they've grown that

1174
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: they want to go on their own, and I felt

1175
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: like we didn't gave them everything they need to do that, right,

1176
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: then we we just let them up. We don't ask

1177
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: for no recouption, we don't ask for anything. We just

1178
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: allowed them to be who they are. Te Pain originally

1179
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: wrote I'm Strung for You, but you didn't like it? No,

1180
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,479
Speaker 1: it was a hit, But I believe the record would

1181
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: be bigger on him because that was a hit record.

1182
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: I could have took it and he right. The reason

1183
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: why I didn't want it because I wanted it for him,

1184
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: right because I knew that record was gonna make somebody's career.

1185
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: My career was already made. Right. He didn't see how

1186
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: big that record was, but I knew. I knew how

1187
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: big that record was, and I knew that record would

1188
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: make him the biggest urban artist that can line up

1189
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: with what I need going on to take him to

1190
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: the next level. Right, So I refused to take the

1191
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: record because I believe that that record was supposed to

1192
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: be for him. If there any other songs you've turned

1193
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: down you wish you hadn't. I really don't wish you

1194
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: would turned that down. There are songs that you turned

1195
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: down and you're like, damn, I should have took that one.

1196
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: One record that I I have A way that I felt,

1197
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 1: damn I should have kept was so surviving I needed

1198
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: for myself. Right. What happened with the fan, the fan

1199
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: that you threw back in the fan in the crowd? Oh? Man?

1200
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: That that was an interesting time because that was around

1201
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: the time when I had just got out. I was fresh,

1202
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: a lot of money, super arrogant and confident, right, But

1203
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: I had the same, you know, the street mentality. I'm

1204
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: I can't I would never be disrespected, especially for a

1205
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: lot of people. Right. So I'm on stage and I'm performing,

1206
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: and the next thing you notice, I see something coming

1207
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: at me. At first, I thought I was seeing something,

1208
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 1: but then when it got really close, I was like, oh, whoa,

1209
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: that almost like hit me in the face. And I said, yeah,

1210
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: wait a minute, who threw that? So the crowd everybody

1211
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: is pointing it you. Now at that point, it's like, okay, shoot,

1212
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: what do I do? Now? I can't be out here

1213
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: and I can't. I can't just be like, okay, bron

1214
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: do that no more. I couldn't let it slide because,

1215
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: especially in the end shot we was in around that time,

1216
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: if one person tries you, everybody feel like you can try, right.

1217
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: So it's almost like you had to set an example,

1218
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: which is wrong analogy. So at the point when all

1219
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: the fingers was in, I said, I'll come on up here,

1220
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: bring bring him up. So now the crowd is bringing

1221
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: him to me. As he's coming, I'm decided what am

1222
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: I gonna do to show this dude and the audience

1223
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: that I'm not to be played with? Right? I said, Man,

1224
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: should I just hit him with one boom? Just knock

1225
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: him out? I said, nah, that'd be too much. And

1226
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: then I said, you know what, don't worry about when

1227
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: it comes. I just played a boy ear And as

1228
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: soon as he came on stage, he just came to

1229
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: hug me. And at that moment I felt bad. I

1230
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: was like, damn, I can't do nothing to him. He

1231
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: actually this is probably probably trying to get my attention, right,

1232
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: So I said, nah, okay, I gotta figure something out.

1233
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: Then it hit me, I said, cool, I'm just gonna

1234
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: throw him in the crowd in a soft spot, right,

1235
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: So as he come to hug me, I just picked

1236
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: him up, found a soft spot and threw him right.

1237
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: But then of course it got it got thrown out

1238
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: of purport. But at the same time, it did give

1239
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: me the respect that I needed to move forward. But

1240
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: at the same time I felt so bad because I said,

1241
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: I could you know what, I could have handled that

1242
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: a little bit better. Hey, look, you provided electricity for

1243
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: over sixteen countries in Africa. You have a utility company

1244
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: to work with a Biden administration because you grew up

1245
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: with no electricity? Is that was? Was that one of

1246
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: the reasons you wanted to give back in that way

1247
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: to your like me, knowing the impact of just growing

1248
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: up without electricity made me say, okay, the moment I'm

1249
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: make it and I'm in position to do that, I

1250
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: want to be able to provide electricity, right. But that

1251
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: didn't have absolutely well. I see China gave you six bill,

1252
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: gave you a billion dollars. I loaned your billion dollars.

1253
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: I said, you have watered a six billion dollars contract

1254
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: to build a city. Yes, the Acon City and Senegal.

1255
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: I'm super excited. I can't wait to host l when

1256
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: I have how how how close is that upon completion? Uh?

1257
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean how much? How much of the build out

1258
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: have you completed? Wow? So I learned so much dealing

1259
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: with this project. Right. I realized that it was so

1260
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: much prep leading into even construction. Right, So for the

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Speaker 1: last two years we've been doing environmental studies, We've been

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Speaker 1: doing soil studies, all the studies leading up into it,

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Speaker 1: then getting all the licenses and everything else. So now

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, in January, we actually start to construction

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Speaker 1: process and the first phase is gonna take three years,

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Speaker 1: but then after that phase, it's gonna be done in

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Speaker 1: three three years, three phases and three years per phase.

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Speaker 1: But after the first phase we could start inviting people in. Right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I read it. You try to start a diamond business

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Speaker 1: in Africa, but it said it's worse than the drug game. No,

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Speaker 1: I actually had. I had purchase a diamond mine and realized, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was way worse than the drug game. So I

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Speaker 1: sold it. Man, I had it for five years I said, boy,

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Speaker 1: you getting it was no? Oh, yeah it was. It

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Speaker 1: was a great profit of business around the time when

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Speaker 1: I was in the music business, I was actually supplying

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Speaker 1: a lot of the jewelers in the Diamond district in

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Speaker 1: my diamonds. Wow, and you and you gave it up.

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Speaker 1: I had to it was it was, it was then,

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Speaker 1: it was amount of the time. We also had the

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Speaker 1: Blood Diamond conflict. Yeah, it was other minds. It was

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Speaker 1: a lot going on, and I didn't want my name

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Speaker 1: getting tired into that stuff because I know how the

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Speaker 1: media work sometimes. I got to get you out here

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Speaker 1: on this one. You're big sports fan. Who's your favorite

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Speaker 1: team Basketball? The Lakers? Laker? Who your favorite player? Lebron? Honestly,

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Speaker 1: wherever team Lebron went, that was my favorite team before

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Speaker 1: Lebron was shocked. Right, you had I'm reading that you

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Speaker 1: almost got a scholarship when you have a scholarship to

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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. But you messed me up. Yeah, you had?

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Speaker 1: Who's like that? I could play? I could play now.

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Speaker 1: One thing about Saint Louis sports was the thing that

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Speaker 1: was our way out. Somebody had. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: weren't gonna make it through music, you gonna never make

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Speaker 1: it through this spright, my man. I appreciate that, Broun,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time to day. I really now I

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Speaker 1: had a good time all my life, and grinding all

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Speaker 1: my life, sac of fice, hustle back price on a slice,

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Speaker 1: got the bron swath all my life. I've been grinding

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Speaker 1: all my life, all my life, and grinding all my life,

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Speaker 1: and sacrifice hustle bay the price one slice that the

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Speaker 1: browling dice to swap all my life. I've been running

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Speaker 1: all my life,