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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hulleh for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day? Edo State?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Whoa? Whoa?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 3: Dan Rubinstein. It is lucky number thirteen. Actually you're here.

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Speaker 3: It is week thirteen, my friend. Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great? Happy Dan Marino week to all who celebrate.

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Speaker 2: He was the first number thirteen that came to mind.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure there are a million others

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Speaker 2: that are noteworthy, but I guess Pitt is playing back

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Speaker 2: to back weeks to Dan Marino. Is he not a

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Speaker 2: favorite son of the Pitt Panthers.

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Speaker 3: And Miami Dolphins. Yes, so then Miami Dolphins connective tissue. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is whoa. I didn't need Tie.

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Speaker 2: Look at us, look at us pit Miami acc happening soon. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited that it's week thirteen. I love the

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Speaker 2: penultimates of basically everything because we are always looking forward

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Speaker 2: to that huge rivalry week. You know, Thanksgiving weekend is

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Speaker 2: as college football as it gets. But there is something special,

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Speaker 2: not that it's a look ahead week specifically, but there

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Speaker 2: is something special about the like setting of the table

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Speaker 2: where I think people underestimate myself included, perhaps underestimate the possibility,

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Speaker 2: the potential for chaos ahead of the perceived chaos weekend.

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Speaker 2: So we see it with TV shows. We've mentioned it

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Speaker 2: to the potential of that happening this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Love to have you, Dan, How do we feel about

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Speaker 3: Week thirteen thematically?

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Speaker 1: You know, penultimate? Sure, there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 3: It is a bit of a table setter for what

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Speaker 2: Yes, it absolutely is, and we've saw and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: mention momentarily the newest college football playoff rankings have come out,

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Speaker 2: This is basically the look ahead week of the season.

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Speaker 2: Right everybody sits down. If you couldn't interpret the lyrics

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Speaker 2: last thing you're expecting, Tie.

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Speaker 3: The last thing you're expecting is to be bit in

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Speaker 2: Snake emerging from the toilets. And there is something about

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Speaker 2: And you look at this schedule, a lot of big

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Speaker 3: I'm never gonna live down some of the emails that

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Speaker 2: Ty has weekly plumbing sweeps at his house, just little

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Speaker 3: Dan Rubinstein, Yes, we would be remiss to not talk

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Speaker 3: James Franklin was rumored to a bunch of different positions

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Speaker 3: I mean he said a lot of stuff that got

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Speaker 2: I think largely good. There is still part of me

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Speaker 1: It's wild, right, totally wild.

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Speaker 2: I can't think of a specific example that aligns with this,

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Speaker 2: But there is something very striking about like is this

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Speaker 2: I know all these guys are kind of full of

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Speaker 3: It's really weird mid season. It's real weird for me

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Speaker 3: it's real weird. I think a lot strange.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of the conversation is like on

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Speaker 2: I were a Virginia Tech fan a little bit. And

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Speaker 2: you should be happy if you're a Virginia Tech.

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Speaker 3: I's gonna say what you're describing here is more Dan

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Speaker 2: I'm not yeah, I'm not speaking on be Like, you

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Speaker 3: I just think it's different. I think they're different characters altogether.

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Speaker 3: Gigantic hire for Virginia Tech. And I think it was

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Speaker 3: Right, and by the way, he even though he denied it,

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Speaker 2: And there's reporting that is family visited places like Baton

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Speaker 3: It's one of those things, especially this time of year

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Speaker 3: Virginia Tech off the board, James Franklin off the board,

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Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin very much.

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Speaker 1: Your time to shine. Let's see what he does.

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Speaker 2: This should be a fascinating what is it next? Probably month?

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Speaker 2: Rankings, seers, Eve will be.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't always been the strongest way of beating teams,

439
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Speaker 2: but their non conference schedule well not amazing. Played Stanford

440
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Speaker 2: and ECU ECU in contention for the American as we

441
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Speaker 2: record this, No, No, I think BYU got a little

442
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Speaker 2: bit of a short shrift there. The way they talked

443
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Speaker 2: about like grouping those teams, You're like, nobody made you

444
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Speaker 2: group one lost teams together. Nobody made you group two

445
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 2: loss teams or undefeated teams together. You can just sort

446
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Speaker 2: of figure out who's stronger than who based on the results.

447
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 2: I didn't love how much conversation was around Florida State,

448
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Speaker 2: Alabama and Notre Dame Miami, because I am of the

449
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Speaker 2: mind that you should include those things as data points,

450
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Speaker 2: but to a lesser extent. Week one specifically, I would

451
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Speaker 2: include like I would say, Miami's win over Notre Dame

452
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Speaker 2: is impressive and a great data point on their resume,

453
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Speaker 2: but it's not as impressive as a team with a

454
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Speaker 2: big win two weeks ago. That's just where I stand

455
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Speaker 2: on these things, and I think it should be held

456
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Speaker 2: against Alabama that they lost to Florida State, but not

457
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Speaker 2: like a team that lost two weeks ago to a

458
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Speaker 2: bad team or an underwhelming team or an average team

459
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Speaker 2: that's looking to compete. So I wish that conversation would

460
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Speaker 2: be had, But I understand that's a subjective way of

461
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Speaker 2: looking at this when they're trying to present as many

462
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Speaker 2: objective data points as possible. I know you have thoughts

463
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Speaker 2: about who you think is and isn't good, that you

464
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Speaker 2: just like think a team is better right now. I

465
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Speaker 2: don't have huge objections to a lot of this. I

466
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Speaker 2: know Miami fans are like, we're eight and two, Notre

467
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Speaker 2: Dames eight and two. We beat them. But I am

468
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Speaker 2: still of the mind when I look at these rankings

469
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Speaker 2: that you should both look at head to head and

470
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Speaker 2: look at resumes in their totality. And the reality is

471
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame lost to two really good teams, and Miami

472
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Speaker 2: lost to a Louisville team that's I think pretty good

473
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Speaker 2: and lost to an SMU team on the road that's

474
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Speaker 2: also pretty good. Sure, but not in these conversations at

475
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Speaker 2: the top in the way that Notre Dame's losses are

476
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Speaker 2: And so there's a difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And by the way, they have Miami again on

478
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Speaker 3: this bracket this week, though they had the wherewithal to

479
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Speaker 3: label it that they were putting them in as a

480
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Speaker 3: placeholder for the ACC champion, which again there's only a

481
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Speaker 3: five point six percent chance that Miami could win the ACC,

482
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Speaker 3: but they are the highest ranked ACC team, so for

483
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Speaker 3: now they are the placeholder, which I understand if you

484
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Speaker 3: are a Miami fan, though it is a math problem.

485
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Speaker 3: There is a serious math problem that is working against you,

486
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Speaker 3: because if you look at this field the way that

487
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Speaker 3: they've laid it out, I would say about seven of

488
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Speaker 3: the twelve teams are basically locked in at this point,

489
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Speaker 3: and it's a near certainty that the winner of the

490
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Speaker 3: ACC and whoever they put in as the G six

491
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Speaker 3: representative will both be outside the top twelve, which means

492
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Speaker 3: if you want to get in, you got to find

493
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Speaker 3: a way into that top ten. So they need to

494
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Speaker 3: root for two of Oklahoma, Notre Dame Alabama BYU to

495
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Speaker 3: take a loss one of these next two weeks. They

496
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Speaker 3: also need SMU and Pitt to win this week to

497
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Speaker 3: set them up for maybe a rank game against Hit

498
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Speaker 3: to close out the year to boost that loss to

499
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Speaker 3: whatever extent that they had earlier in the year against

500
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Speaker 3: SMU to make that look better. There is also the

501
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Speaker 3: possibility now that they could get jumped by another two

502
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Speaker 3: loss team. I haven't heard a whole lot of people

503
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Speaker 3: talk about this, but USC has Oregon this week.

504
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Speaker 2: USC beats Oregon on the road.

505
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Speaker 3: Pretty good chance USC is going to jump up into

506
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Speaker 3: that conversation in a way that they aren't right now.

507
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Speaker 3: Vandy still plays a ranked Tennessee team. That's a good game.

508
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Speaker 3: Michigan still plays number one Ohio State. By the way,

509
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Speaker 3: they've got a four game winning streak against Ohio State.

510
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Speaker 2: They do. I just rewatched Michigan Northwestern. I'm feeling even

511
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Speaker 2: less confident about Michigan in this moment.

512
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Speaker 3: Fair enough, But you understand my point, Yes, I do.

513
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Speaker 3: You understand my point. So Miami is kind of caught

514
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Speaker 3: in the wash right now, in a bit of no

515
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Speaker 3: man's land, with what they've got remaining on their schedule

516
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Speaker 3: and what the teams in front of them have on theirs,

517
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Speaker 3: what some of the teams behind them have on theirs.

518
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Speaker 3: And this is not me arguing for against Miami. I

519
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Speaker 3: think it's fairly well established that I'm not objective. When

520
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Speaker 3: it comes to the whole Miami versus Notre Dame conversation,

521
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Speaker 3: what I will say is objectively, it is not just

522
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Speaker 3: a Miami versus Notre Dame conversation. There are many other

523
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Speaker 3: teams in front of the Canes, rightly or wrongly, whatever

524
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Speaker 3: you believe. That is the issue that they are currently

525
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Speaker 3: dealing with, and we'll find out. Maybe Snake on the

526
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Speaker 3: toilet Saturday can give Miami a little bit of a

527
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Speaker 3: gift and bite one of their opponents.

528
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Speaker 1: Who knows.

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Speaker 3: Here are some of the other things that I would

530
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Speaker 3: posit please one, I didn't think they'd have the stones

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Speaker 3: to put Bama behind Notre Dame. Like I thought for

532
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Speaker 3: sure that they would move Oklahoma up into the top ten.

533
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Speaker 3: That does not surprise me, but I expect that they

534
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Speaker 3: would move Bama down to nine and bump Notre Dame

535
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Speaker 3: down a pig. I am taking this as a signal

536
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Speaker 3: that Notre Dame is in so long as they don't

537
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Speaker 3: lose to either Syracuse or Stanford. Like if they were

538
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Speaker 3: going to drop Notre Dame to make room for Alabama,

539
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Speaker 3: that would be a pretty good tell that maybe Notre

540
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: Dame is on some uncertain ground. I don't think they're

541
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Speaker 3: going to do that for a Big twelve team or

542
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Speaker 3: even Miami at this point. So I feel pretty good

543
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: as a Notre Dame fan that they're going to find

544
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Speaker 3: their way into this thing. The other thing that I

545
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Speaker 3: would add is something that you brought up earlier, Like, again,

546
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: a bunch of these teams feel kind.

547
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Speaker 1: Of locked into me at this point.

548
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Speaker 3: But the bracket, which I will talk through just very

549
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: quickly in a second, is very much subject to change.

550
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Speaker 3: So like, if you're a Texas Tech fan, Texas Tech

551
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: could very easily end up with a first round by

552
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Speaker 3: the way that this is set up right now, they're five.

553
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Speaker 3: I actually think your Oregon Ducks have a lot of upside.

554
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: They could slide up a spot. They could get a

555
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Speaker 3: number six seed, and that's very important because you'd much

556
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: rather be a six playing against whoever wins the ACC

557
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: having them travel cross country to Eugene than where it

558
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: stands right now, which is Oregon at home hosting Alabama.

559
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be SMU, I guess that's not as

560
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: far a trip.

561
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be SMU, It could be Georgia Tech,

562
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: it could be Pitt, could still be Duke, could still

563
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Speaker 3: be Miami. Most of those teams are traveling a great

564
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: ways across the US of A. Certainly it is not

565
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: a short fight even for SMU if they end up

566
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Speaker 3: being the team. But this is all to say right now,

567
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 3: you're projected lines. I saw this courtesy of our friend

568
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: Josh Pate who posted this from a FanDuel. I believe

569
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Speaker 3: projected lines would be number twelve Tulane, who they have

570
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: in here right now on the road at Texas Tech.

571
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: Texas Tech would be favored by three touchdowns. Notre Dame

572
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: would be at Oklahoma a nine verses an eight, but

573
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Speaker 3: they would be a three and a half point favorite.

574
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Speaker 3: Oregon right now would be a four and a half

575
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 3: point favorite over Alabama. That game again would be in Eugene,

576
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Speaker 3: and they've got Old Miss right now as a three

577
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: and a half point favorite over Miami, But again that

578
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: is subject to change because I don't think Miami would

579
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Speaker 3: be getting in as an ACC conference champion.

580
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

581
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Speaker 3: The final point here is that they've got Tulane as

582
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: the token G six rep and it looks like they

583
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: are getting the nod because of their resume, which would

584
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: be over Northwestern Duke.

585
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: In Memphis, which by the way, not nothing. Those are

586
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: all like at the very least decent Power Conference teams,

587
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Speaker 2: and obviously Memphis is a very good team in the

588
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: American their strength.

589
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: Of I guess they call it record on the ESPN website,

590
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: which is essentially resume. Right now, twenty fifth North Texas

591
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: is at twenty eight. Interestingly enough, James Madison is at

592
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Speaker 3: twenty fourth. But given the fact that they ranked Tulane

593
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Speaker 3: and not JMU at all, to me, it looks increasingly

594
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Speaker 3: like the winner of the American gets in, though I

595
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: think JMU would provide a better matchup for whoever they

596
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: play because of the defense. It seems as though right

597
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: now the committee is favoring whoever wins the American.

598
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Speaker 1: So we'll see that's going to work itself out here

599
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the only other thing I would add is, you know,

601
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Speaker 2: there are obviously a couple different ways to think about

602
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: how these results and rankings should be evaluated, and they

603
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: are going to be the One side of it is

604
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 2: like you just look at the wins, you look at

605
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: the ranked wins, you look at the record, and you

606
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: look at the schedule and you say, okay, this was

607
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: a tough schedule. They navigated this, they scheduled well. Like

608
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: in the case of Oklahoma, right, Oklahoma's had a terrific

609
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: schedule in terms of like, there's a lot of quality

610
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Speaker 2: teams on this schedule, and they beat Michigan. They scheduled

611
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Speaker 2: a home and home and beat Michigan in Norman. And

612
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: that's that's a quality feather in Oklahoma's cap that I

613
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: think should be rewarded. But also he says, with some

614
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: of these matchups, you're like, Okay, what do we Let's

615
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: look at the teams that are ranked. Is Missoo's best

616
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 2: win a close loss to Alabama or Kansas? Right? Is

617
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: Tennessee's best win a close loss that they gacked away

618
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 2: to Georgia. Maybe, Like, there's a lot of these teams

619
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Speaker 2: that are ranked, Like Illinois obviously beat Illinois ranked well

620
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Speaker 2: like twenty third or something like that. Right, Right, So

621
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: USC lost to only ranked teams because Illinois is ranked.

622
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Speaker 2: Illinois in their losses has lost by an average of

623
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Speaker 2: about thirty points. Illinois has been fully not competitive in

624
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: their losses, though they did beat USC. And so when

625
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: you start looking at the resumes of the teams that

626
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: are capital are ranked, what separating those teams from teams

627
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: like Cincinnati and Louisville and Arizona. And the answer is

628
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: not a tone like there's not a lot of impressive

629
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: results when you look at the bot, like ASU has

630
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: a huge win over Texas Tech, but like they've also

631
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: had like some pretty disappointing results. So obviously, you know,

632
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: with sam Levitt's injury contributing, but they won their last

633
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 2: couple without sam Levitt. I just I hesitate to eliminate

634
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: too much context. And it's impossible because everybody evaluates context

635
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: with you know, different margins. But I'm just I'm wary

636
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: of doing too much surface and evaluating these resumes and

637
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: BCS was better continue.

638
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: Gotta get that one in there, all right, fair.

639
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: Enough, every time I host a meeting tie there are

640
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: fewer and fewer seats. We're standing room only. Soon, tye,

641
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: we're standing room only. Let's get to some picks here.

642
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: On Snake in.

643
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: The Toilet Saturday, Dan Rubinstein time any picks of the week.

644
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Speaker 3: So look, we didn't do any picks of the week

645
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: on Tuesday. We've been doing that all year, but we

646
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: took the time, gave back to the Verbawler Hood answered

647
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: some questions from the verbowler Hood.

648
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Speaker 1: We've got all of the games locked and loaded and

649
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Speaker 1: ready to go for this yere Thursday episode. Are you ready?

650
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: I'm ready?

651
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Speaker 3: Twelve o'clock Eastern Time, high noon on ABC, number twenty two,

652
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Speaker 3: Missouri on the road at number eight Oklahoma. This line

653
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: is down to Oklahoma minus seven and a half now,

654
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Speaker 3: Dan Rubinstein moved a little bit since we put our

655
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Speaker 3: initial dock together a few days ago.

656
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: The steaks are pretty clear here right.

657
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: Oklahoma beat Alabama last week, they got bumped all the

658
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: way up to number eight in the rankings. As we

659
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: just described, the Sooners in effect control their playoff destiny.

660
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: They've got two home games left, this one this week

661
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: against Maszoo. Next week they are home as well against LSU.

662
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: If they win both, they are through. Yes, plain and simple.

663
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: Do you think there is any possibility we see a

664
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: little bit of a hangover after the win last week,

665
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: the big one in Tuscaloosa.

666
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: I think maybe early on in this one. I think

667
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: weather's fine because this game is kicking off at what time,

668
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: high noon, high noon, so it's an early kick against

669
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: a good defense not traveling terribly far in Miszoo. I

670
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: just think it's too many points for an Oklahoma team

671
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: that has struggled like it has to score points offensively,

672
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: not bad, but struggled at times right that they've needed

673
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: defensive touchdowns to get to not even that many points

674
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: against teams like Tennessee obviously last week against Alabama. Both

675
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: performances terrific, really truly terrific performances, both on the road.

676
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: I think Miszoo defensively will cause problems for everybody. I mean,

677
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt is one of the best offenses in America. They

678
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: allowed seventeen points in that game. This is an angry,

679
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: angry defense, perhaps at times too angry early on in

680
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: the Mississippi State game. I just think it's too many

681
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: points to give for this Oklahoma offense in a potential

682
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: hangover spot. They're obviously taking this game incredibly seriously, but

683
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: I just think it's this has slog written all over it.

684
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: To me, This has you know, seventeen, thirteen, twenty one

685
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: to nineteen something like that. Obviously, you know, the focus

686
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: for Mazoo is going to be on running the ball

687
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: with arguably one of the best two to three running

688
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: backs in the country, one of the best rooms in

689
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: the country, and this is an Oklahoma defense that stops

690
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: pretty much everything. So there is something sloggy about this

691
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: matchup to me that all of a sudden, this is

692
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: not going to be an Oklahoma offense that scored forty points.

693
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm taking the points happily in this one

694
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: because we just have two good defenses in an important spot.

695
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: Oklahoma doesn't feel like a team that's going to suddenly

696
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: start trying to open it up with as much on

697
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: the line as there is, So I don't know. I

698
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: have owe you winning by a field goal.

699
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been some speculation that Bo Prabula could be back.

700
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: He worked out before the game last week. Eli Drinkwitz

701
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 2: was noncommittal, and Matt Dolars has improved he has.

702
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Zolers.

703
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: I mean, judging from the comments I saw on Tuesday

704
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 3: and we're recording this midday Wednesday, it seems like it's

705
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: going to be a stretch for Pabula to get back.

706
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: But I just wanted to bring it up on the

707
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: off chance that there should be sudden improvement and he's

708
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: out there. I don't want people to be caught off guard.

709
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 3: Maszoo is zero and three this year against ranked teams. Yes,

710
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: And I think your question is the right one. How

711
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: many points so they're gonna be able to score against

712
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: the defense like this? You know, it kind of cuts

713
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 3: both ways because you could ask the same question about

714
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 3: Oklahoma with their offense. But I also think you can

715
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: ask the same question about Missouri with their offense against

716
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: this Oklahoma defense with a backup quarterback. Oklahoma is something

717
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 3: like eighth nationally points allowed. They're very, very good defense.

718
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: We saw that on display a week ago. I feel

719
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: fairly confident saying that Ammad Hardy is not going to

720
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 3: run for three hundred yards against this defense, thank you, ty,

721
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: which I know is a stretch, really going out in

722
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: a limb here, putting my integrity on the line. But

723
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: by some measures, this is like the best rush defense

724
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: in the country.

725
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: Sure, so.

726
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: This is a line on the Missou side that's shown

727
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: some inconsistency, and I think Oklahoma is more than good

728
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: enough to exploit that to force mad Zolas to beat

729
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: them through the air. And I am fairly confident that

730
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: Oklahoma is going to win this game. But I am

731
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: with you that the point spread is also giving me

732
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: fits because Miszoo does have a defense. Lahoma is not

733
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: out here blowing out good teams. They're not putting up

734
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: forty points a game. That's just not who they are.

735
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: So I am going to air on the side of

736
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: the points. I think it's something like twenty three seventeen

737
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: Oklahoma lower scoring, maybe closer than it should be, But

738
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: I think there will be a fair amount of slog

739
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: in this game as well.

740
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: I think we tend to agree.

741
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oklahoma, by the way, has not scored thirty points

742
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: in SEC play offensively. They needed I think a scoop

743
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: and score against Tennessee to get to thirty three, so

744
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 2: it's hard to imagine against the Mizoo defense. Now, Look,

745
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: legs are worn down. We did speed test Saturday last week, right,

746
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: this is you you have an advantage I think at

747
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: this point in the season offensively that you're just going

748
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: to be dealing with beat up defense. Isn't obviously offensive

749
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: beat up as well at this point of the season,

750
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: more so than any other points, So that to me

751
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: is interesting. But even still, I just I don't think

752
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: this is a you know, a thirty thirty five point

753
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: offense for Oklahoma no matter who they're playing. So yeah,

754
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: put me down for point taken.

755
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: Also, at high Hi noon on ESPN two. Louisville on

756
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 3: the road at SMUSMU is a two and a half

757
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: point favorite. This may not be a marquee matchup, not

758
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: even two ranked teams, right, but.

759
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: This game is a very big deal in the ACC.

760
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 3: It is a very big deal in the ACC. SMU

761
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: needs to win out. They need to win out, and

762
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: they need to either have Georgia Tech or Virginia lose

763
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: if they want to get back to that conference title game.

764
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: But if you're Miami, if you're Duke, if you're Pitt,

765
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 3: you're all rooting for SMU to lose. So there are

766
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: stakes here. Whether or not these are ranked teams doesn't matter.

767
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: There's a lot riding on this one. A month ago,

768
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: when Louisville beat Miami, remember we were talking them up as,

769
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, they might be an ACC contender now.

770
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: Who could have ever seen this coming? But now they've

771
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: lost the last two games at home. I wonder what's

772
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: left in the tank on the Louisville side. Has already

773
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: been something of an emotional roller coaster this season. They're

774
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 3: a well coached team. I like their players. There's a

775
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: lot that I do like about this team. There are

776
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: reasons that I don't think they're gonna win this game,

777
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: which I can get to. But I do think we

778
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: need to start with what's left in the tank for Louisville,

779
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: given the road that they have already traveled.

780
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: You could make the argument, I could make the argument

781
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: that Louisville is very quiet elite loser of the year.

782
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: I think since October began, they've split their games with

783
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: three and three, and I think they've lost those three

784
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: games by I combining five points, maybe six points somewhere

785
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: in there, right to Cal and Clemson, and I think Virginia.

786
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: So I mean, stop me if you've heard this one before,

787
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: but a Miller Moss offense has issues closing. I'm with

788
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: SMU here. I think winning is a scal Louisville not

789
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: finishing it was ugly, ugly by the way the Miami win.

790
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: Aside that Miami win was a four turnover advantage that

791
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: they needed every single second of to close out. Yes,

792
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: so also not an ideal way to get to the win,

793
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: but getting to the win is very nice. I think

794
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: SMU has improved to a really decent point here with

795
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: more on the line. Obviously, it was a slow start defensively,

796
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: but they figure things out as the season has gone on.

797
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: I just I think Louisville, especially down arguably their best

798
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: offensive player, although Chris Bell is quite good as well,

799
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: and Keewan Brown has done a great job in the backfield.

800
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: Feeling filling in. I'm in on SMU here by you know,

801
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: a touchdown, I think they cover.

802
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you bring up the defense because the

803
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: other layer is SMU creates a ton of havoc plays, yep,

804
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: a ton.

805
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: Of havoc plays.

806
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: And this is a louis the Law offense, then that

807
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: very much allows them, you know. And so I just

808
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: I worry that if the tank's already on E, which

809
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: I don't know and I'm just kind of speculating on,

810
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: but if this is a situation where they're emotionally physically

811
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: on E and they're playing this kind of defense that

812
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: creates play as that usually is a recipe for a

813
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: handful of these game changing plays for SMU stealing a

814
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 3: couple possessions here and there and winning this game.

815
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: I've got at thirty one to twenty one.

816
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: That SMU off of BUYE as well off of Bye,

817
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 3: so they got the rest advantage and I just think,

818
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: like beyond all that this is a Louisville line that

819
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 3: gives me a bit of odjita. Like, I just I

820
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: don't really like the matchup in the trenches, and I

821
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: think that benefits esseen when Louisville has the ball. Yeah,

822
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: when Louisvill's got the ball. I also think SMB is

823
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: gonna be out for blood. I think they can smell it.

824
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 3: They want to get back to that ACC title game

825
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 3: they lost a year ago. They did make the playoff

826
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: a year ago, but lost that game against Clemson, could

827
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: have won. I think they've got some unfinished business and

828
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: I don't expect that they're going to sleep walk into

829
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 3: this game against Louisville, who's probably the toughest remaining opponent

830
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: on their schedule. They do have to travel to the

831
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: hinter lands next week, so we can't take that for granted.

832
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: Weird things happen, But I'm on SMU here by ten.

833
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: One other thing to watch is, uh, Louisville is like

834
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: kind of average in the red zone when they have

835
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: the ball, and SMU might have the best red zone

836
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: defense in America this year. Obviously, these are you know,

837
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: opponent dependent, but SMU has done a great job, sometimes

838
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: bending but rarely breaking. We saw that in the Miami

839
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: game as well. So two good defenses. We could see

840
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: a lot of kicking here. Uh and I just I

841
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: think the Louisville defense has been let down a little

842
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: bit too often by its own offense. It's too bad,

843
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: because Louisville defense is, you know, quietly one of the

844
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: best in the country. So yeah, I think we agree.

845
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something for the Miami brethren out there.

846
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: Uh oh, long of the week now, too many hits today?

847
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I was on SMU.

848
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: I was like the SMU cheerleader of all SMU cheerleaders

849
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: a year ago. You remember, I was all in on

850
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: SMU from the jump, and I'm not not in on

851
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: SMU now. I genuinely believe they.

852
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: Are going to win this game by ten points over Lillisville.

853
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: But if if the jink should be a.

854
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: Thing, Miami fans can send their sweet nothings to solid

855
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: verbal at gmail dot com, okay, because they could use

856
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: an SMU loss here, as could a bunch of other teams. Agree,

857
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 3: Let's go to three point thirty on CBS number fifteen.

858
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 3: USC on the road at number eight your Oregon Ducks

859
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: favored now by nine and a half points. We are

860
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: going to do an al cast for this game out

861
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: on the YouTube channel. Yes, and I'm still working on

862
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: a little something special to help us keep track of

863
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 3: the game.

864
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that goes. Hopefully I can get

865
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: it done in time.

866
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: It is byob by the way, So if you're going

867
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: to stop by, bring your own drinks, stop on over

868
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: to the YouTube channel, say hello, even if it's only

869
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 3: for a minute, we'd love to have you, right, Okay,

870
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: really important game for both teams, but it is a

871
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: must win game for you. See, I know you have

872
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: been on the record many times over saying that USC

873
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: and Lincoln Riley simply do not win these games, and

874
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 3: clearly the numbers back that up. I think he's something

875
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: like zero for four against top ten opponents, just one

876
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 3: of six in ranked against ranked opponents on the road

877
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: in his time at USC. So my question for you

878
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: to kind of lead us off here as we talk

879
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: about this game, how much are you considering how Indiana

880
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: beat Oregon and how USC beat Iowa last week when

881
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: you are trying to figure out how these two teams

882
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 3: match up. Because Indiana found something that worked, and I

883
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 3: think we saw a physicality to the way that USC

884
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 3: beat Iowa a week ago that definitely was encouraging. So

885
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: are these things that you would all consider when you're

886
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: trying to put this game into context.

887
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I try to consider everything, right, because

888
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 2: Oregon's schedule has not been the most impressive in that

889
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: you know that non conference portion of the schedule was

890
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: Oregon State, Oklahoma State. You don't offer a lot there.

891
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: Montana State a very good FCS team playing the Brawl

892
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: of the Wild. I think this week right number three,

893
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: I believe the fc SO very good team, but perhaps

894
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: not on the same talent level. So it's it's hard

895
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: to determine because Oregon really has like two and a

896
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: half teams to look at in like the Penn State game,

897
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: whatever you feel about Penn State now the Iowa game,

898
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 2: and the Iowa game was pretty drenched, and of course

899
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: the Indiana game, which was at home, and so Indiana

900
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: being the best of those three teams, Oregon loses. It's

901
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: that game was largely on the Oregon offense more than

902
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: the defense, and of course Indiana obviously, So I look

903
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: at all of this stuff, I look at USC against

904
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: the better teams on their schedule, which is obviously included

905
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Now, I guess we have to consider Illinois

906
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: or rank team most recently Iowa. Of course, I like

907
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: Oregon here. I like Oregon here because of the number

908
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: of ways in which they can win this game. USC's

909
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: major advantage is they have better receivers, Like they'll have

910
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: better receivers against one hundred and thirty teams in this country,

911
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: just because of Makay Lemon, just because they have somebody

912
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: who can go for one hundred and thirty yards plus

913
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: against pretty much anyone. And so that is a major

914
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 2: concern if you're an Oregon fan, that all it takes

915
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: is one pass, and you know the complexion of this

916
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: game can change that said, I don't think he can

917
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: win this game alone. I don't think this passing game.

918
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: I don't think Jade Mayov, I don't think a potentially

919
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: beat up offensive line with Elijah Page the starting left

920
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: tackle out, I don't think it can affect this game

921
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: for four straight quarters against what's been an excellent Oregon defense. Now, again,

922
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 2: you got to look at the opposition. You gotta look

923
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: at the opposing quarterbacks. There's not much there outside of

924
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza that you can say this defense has been tested.

925
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: It's true, It's like what is a hunter? Simmons at

926
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: Wisconsin and Grenowski and Drake lindsay like just the numbers

927
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: can be appreciated. But I think also in that same

928
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: tenth sentence, you have to look at the quarterbacks and

929
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: offenses faced right. This is by far a bigger test.

930
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: Can I ask a question though, specifically about that matchup?

931
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: Because as I was going through this, something that came

932
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: to mind was a conversation that we had and obviously

933
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: again that we saw with USC and Notre Dame, And

934
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: a big part of the build up to that game

935
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: was how is Notre Dame going to deal with makay

936
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: Lemon kayle Lemon, who works about half the time out

937
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: of the slot. He is the primary receiver, the leading

938
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: receiver right now. They have other good ones, but Mkaye

939
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: Lemon is the dude in that receiving core for USC.

940
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 3: Does Oregon have an answer for a guy who is

941
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: working a lot out of the slot? Does that create

942
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 3: any kind of mismatch on the Oregon secondary side of

943
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: this conversation?

944
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 2: Yes, and no. I think their best corner is Brandon Finny,

945
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: the freshman, and he works outside. But they've been playing

946
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: more zone than they usually have, and so I'm sure

947
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: they'll have somebody over the top, whether it's Dylan Thineman

948
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: or Aaron Fla or whoever, I'm sure they'll have a plan.

949
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's better than Oregon's plan for Jeremiah Smith last season,

950
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: at least in the bowl game. They did okay in

951
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: the normal game in Eugene, so yes, that's a concern.

952
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: So USC on offense should score some just because they're explosive.

953
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: King Miller's been very good. I don't think Wayman Jordan

954
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: is back yet, so they're pretty thin. Brian Jackson has

955
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: been the guy there with alongside King Miller in the backfield.

956
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 2: I think they'll move the ball some, but I think

957
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 2: Oregon will do enough to get off the field defensively,

958
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: maybe forest field goal attempts, maybe you know, get off

959
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 2: the field on downs. Whatever that they'll put their offense

960
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: in a good position to wear down USC, especially on

961
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: the ground. We saw them turn to Kenyon Sadik Moore

962
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: two tight end sets more they've got three tight ends

963
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: they like a lot. I think Sadiq is you know,

964
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: a game changer when he gets targeted. Oregon's just in

965
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: a better health position outside of those two receivers who

966
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: are out, and they've figured out ways around that. They've

967
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 2: run the ball really well. I think this is a

968
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: sort of a close game in the first half that

969
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: Oregon opens up in the middle eight. So eventually I

970
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: think Oregon's gonna be able to move the ball on

971
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: the ground. I think that's going to open up play action.

972
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: The USC is beat up at safety. Arguably their best

973
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: defensive player, Kamari Ramsey's questionable. He left the Iowa game

974
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: injured alongside the other safety. I think it's Bishop Fitzgerald.

975
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: I just think Oregon's gonna have too much for too

976
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: long to keep this close. Provided Dante More doesn't turn

977
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: over the ball, and if those safeties are out, I

978
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: think that becomes less and less likely. So I have

979
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 2: written down here thirty five twenty four Oregon barely covers.

980
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the blinking red light here is USC's

981
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 3: rushing defense, right.

982
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

983
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: Notre Dame ran for three hundred yards, Iowa almost got

984
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 3: to two hundred, and it was pretty well telegraphed that

985
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: that's what they were going to do Oregon right now

986
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 3: is averaging two hundred and thirty three rushing yards per game.

987
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: They've basically got four running backs averaging six yards per

988
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 3: carry or more. In most cases it's more. And if

989
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 3: you want to count Dante more in that conversation as well,

990
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 3: it's five guys. My ball carriers that average six yards

991
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: are more per carry. I don't think USC has an

992
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: answer for that, and that's going to be the issue here.

993
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: I do think like you that they will score on Oregon.

994
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 3: They will score. They're too good of an offense to not.

995
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: Weather's good score the way these teams weather in the

996
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: rain recently, okay, weather should be like fifties, low sixties

997
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: and partly sunning good football weather.

998
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: I do think Oregon will have a lot of success

999
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: on the ground. I also think that USC will have

1000
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 3: limited success through the air when they have the ball

1001
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: on offense. But I tend to agree with you that

1002
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: over the long haul, over the sixty minutes, Oregon pulls away.

1003
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 3: I know that we have had this conversation about Oregon

1004
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 3: ceiling how good is Oregon really? And I think that's

1005
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: a fair conversation to have. But I don't think it's

1006
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: up for debate that Oregon is a top ten offense

1007
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: that can win in a variety of ways, and.

1008
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: I think I think if Oregon plays its B plus

1009
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: game on both sides of the ball, these are top

1010
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: ten units on both sides.

1011
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: I agree.

1012
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: I think the pass rush for Oregon will be interesting

1013
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: because Jade Mayova, who is very Mayava, is very Mayava

1014
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: talented at buying himself time and rolling out and waiting

1015
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 2: for somebody to appear open late. I think the Oregon

1016
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: pass rush is at sort of a different level than

1017
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: what USC has faced thus far, and now doing it

1018
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: with potentially no Elijah Page, who's I think clearly their

1019
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: best offensive linemen. Sure, and they've had offensive line injury issues.

1020
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: More generally speaking this year, I think there's gonna be

1021
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: a lot of issues with Mayava sort of running around

1022
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: perhaps too happy.

1023
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I could see it in my head as

1024
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: you're describing this.

1025
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: I could.

1026
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: I could see it because we've seen it happen. He's

1027
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: a very good quarterback. I think he's I think he's

1028
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: a real deal. I think he is good same and

1029
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 3: clearly the talent that they've got around him is also

1030
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: very very good.

1031
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: It is just a question of can they keep.

1032
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: Up on the road. Can they give a difficult place on.

1033
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: The road in a difficult place to play against a

1034
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 3: team that doesn't just need to run it to win it,

1035
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: which is where I was going with that. You know,

1036
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 3: this is a very good Oregon team that can beat

1037
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: you a number of different ways, and Dante Moore is

1038
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: completing like seventy three percent of his passes. I think

1039
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 3: Oregon's got too many ways to win this game. I've

1040
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: got it at thirty eight to twenty five.

1041
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 2: Okay, so right around same area. I think it's going

1042
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: to be a good game. I think USC gets theirs,

1043
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: but the road stuff with Lincoln Riley and USC especially

1044
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 2: beat up man. If Dante Moore finds somebody down the

1045
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: field early, that's the sort of unlocking key, which is

1046
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: a redundant phrase, I know, but those are the games

1047
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: in which Dante Moore really thrives. That he hits somebody

1048
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: on second and three for thirty one and like there

1049
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: is a weight that falls off of his shoulders that

1050
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: suddenly it becomes a very big problem for the defense.

1051
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 3: And whoever wins this game is definitely going to benefit

1052
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: in the college football playoff rankings. I could see them

1053
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: bumping Oregon up. I would be very curious to see

1054
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: if USC were to win this game, how far up

1055
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: at the committee would put them. They would certainly reward

1056
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 3: them for beating a top ten team, Mike Oregon. So

1057
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 3: there are state pretty clear stakes in this one that

1058
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: I want people to be aware of. Let's move to

1059
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: seven pm on ESPN. It is PIT, it is number

1060
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 3: sixteen Georgia Tech. The game is in Atlanta. Georgia Tech

1061
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 3: is about a three point favorite right now. I've got

1062
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: it written down at two and a half points. This

1063
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: is an elimination game, Dan, correct, there's kind of no

1064
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 3: way around it. If Georgia Tech wins, they clinch a

1065
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 3: spot in the AC title game. If they're losing their

1066
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: out and if Pitt wins, then they need to win

1067
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: next week against Miami. They probably need to get a

1068
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: little bit of help in addition to that, but they

1069
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: would be in a really, really good spot to get

1070
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: to that game as well. So look, you know where

1071
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: I stand on this one. I've been pretty clear that

1072
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 3: I think Pitt is going to win this game out right.

1073
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech won this game last year it was at PITT,

1074
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 3: but before that it was three straight games that they

1075
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: played in Bobby Dodd Stadium, and Pitt won all of them.

1076
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 3: So I'm a Pitt. I feel good about Pitt. I

1077
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: am sticking to my guns. My preseason prediction of Pitt

1078
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 3: getting to the ACC title game is still alive and well,

1079
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 3: and maybe it needs a little bit of help, but

1080
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: still very much mathematically possible. Right before I tell you why,

1081
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 3: why don't you tell me why you're not going to

1082
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 3: take Pitt?

1083
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 2: I'm not taking Pitt. I think two things can be true.

1084
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: I think Pitt's season, the emergence of Mason Heinschel, they've

1085
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: just been great, right that Pitt and their second half

1086
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty four season. The momentum that they

1087
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: did or didn't have coming into this year didn't seem

1088
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: like it existed, and they were able after kind of

1089
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: a slow, weird start season to write the ship behind

1090
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 2: a good defense and sort of surprise play from quarterback

1091
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 2: from their quarterback. When you look at the teams in

1092
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: which they have surprised us all, I guess it leaves

1093
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 2: a lot to be desired. And I don't think any

1094
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: of those teams did any one specific thing in an

1095
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: excellent way in the way that Georgia Tech runs the ball.

1096
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 2: So I don't think Pitt is bad. I don't even

1097
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: think Pitt is average. I think Pitt's pretty good. But

1098
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 2: I think the story around Pitt is perhaps a little

1099
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: bit exaggerated by the you know, the the pomp pom

1100
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: cheer cheerleaders like you like.

1101
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, now did Pitt enthusiast also Penn State grad continue? No, no, no,

1102
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: but you're you ride for the Keystone State tye h

1103
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 3: two baby, I do. I'm gonna I'm gonna blurb that,

1104
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: by the way, H two p baby, Yeah, ty Hildeman.

1105
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 2: I don't like Georgia Tech's defense at all. I don't

1106
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: like where Georgia tech defense is in, albeit it's been

1107
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: on the road these past couple of weeks. It's what

1108
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: NC stayed in a losing effort where they gave up

1109
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: like half a hundo and then nearly lost to Boston College.

1110
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: Now a lot of teams don't look their best against

1111
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: Boston College, and they're still quality, right, ty right, ty right?

1112
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: Notre Dame fans, Yeah, absolutely quality, Yeah, continue. I think

1113
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech's can be able to control this game enough

1114
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: on the ground. I think there was enough exposed about

1115
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 2: Pit by Notre Dame last week, who they were open

1116
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: to losing to by one hundred. To be clear, I

1117
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: think Georgia Tech at home in a look ahead spot.

1118
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 2: But Pitt is a team you obviously take seriously because

1119
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 2: you haven't had the success against them. I think Georgia

1120
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: gets enough from the offense to overcome whatever they allow

1121
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: on their defense. I think they're going to be more

1122
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: locked in at home. I have Georgia Tech thirty one,

1123
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: Pit twenty six.

1124
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 3: I have thirty eight to thirty three Pitt. And here's

1125
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: why I'm on Pitt. This is for sure a very

1126
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: good Georgia Tech offense, especially on the ground. You're right

1127
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 3: to bring that up, but here's where you're wrong. Even

1128
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 3: last week against Notre Dame, outside of that one long

1129
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: run by Jeremiah Lovey, Pitt defended the run pretty well. Sure,

1130
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: And I'm of the mind that Pitt is actually good

1131
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 3: enough defensively to force Haines King to beat them through

1132
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: the air. Haines King is still pretty good through the air.

1133
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 3: Haines King is a very good quarterback, right, This is

1134
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 3: on him.

1135
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: Their current EPA per dropback is seventh nationally. They're very good.

1136
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: It's not a lot of stuff downfield, terribly downfield, but

1137
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: they are very efficient. Absolutely, Eric River, is that a

1138
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: pretty good year? Yeah, So this is not a knock

1139
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: on george Tech. It's more a compliment of what I

1140
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: think is a misunderstood element of the Pitt defense, and

1141
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: that's that they're actually kind of built to stop the run. True,

1142
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: and I think they can stop this run. I also

1143
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: think that Mason Heinschel is going to throw all over

1144
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech's defense. They're not good on defense. We've seen

1145
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: that a couple of weeks running now. They haven't been

1146
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 2: good on defense for a while. Well, hold on first

1147
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: half of the season when they got some guppies like

1148
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: Colorado and Clemson.

1149
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 3: Sure, but I think Heinschel is gonna throw all over

1150
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: these guys, and I think this is going to be

1151
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 3: a shootout. So I hear what you're saying, and a

1152
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: lot of it is accurate. But I think Pitt is

1153
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 3: better against the run than many understand.

1154
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: Right now.

1155
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: I think they are going to make Georgia Tech somewhat

1156
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: one dimensional and it's gonna be a fun acc game.

1157
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: Never mind who wins, this is gonna be a fun game.

1158
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: In Bobby Dodd. But I think Pitt emer Yeah, at night,

1159
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: I think Pitt emerges victorious.

1160
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: Thirty eight, thirty three.

1161
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: Okay, we just.

1162
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 3: Let's go to this one another night game. This one's

1163
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: at eight pm on Fox. Number eleven. BYU is a

1164
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: two and a half point road favorite at Cincinnati. Speaking

1165
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 3: of games that are enormously significant in their conference, this

1166
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: is a very big deal in the Big Twelve. If

1167
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 3: BYU wins out this week against Cincinnati next week against UCF,

1168
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: it is likely going to mean a rematch between BYU

1169
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 3: and Texas Tech for the Big Twelve championship. I say

1170
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 3: likely because there is still a chance that Texas Tech

1171
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 3: could lose next week on the road at West Virginia,

1172
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 3: in which case that game could be against Utah, could

1173
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 3: be against Arizona State, it could still be against Texas Tech.

1174
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 3: There are a lot of possibilities right now in the

1175
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 3: Big Twelve, But in case they're interested, there is a

1176
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 3: ninety four percent chance that it's either going to be

1177
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 3: Texas Tech or BYU winning the Big Twelve.

1178
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: Right, the other teams.

1179
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 3: Still have a chance, But between Utah, Arizona State, and Cincinnati,

1180
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 3: I believe I saw there's a combined six percent chance

1181
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 3: that one of them.

1182
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: Is going to win the conference.

1183
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 3: So two teams, very good teams, both on offense and

1184
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: on defense, especially in the red zone. Often these are

1185
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 3: the types of games where we talk about a team

1186
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 3: losing because they end up settling for field goals, and

1187
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: so that is where my mind goes first when I

1188
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 3: look at the tendencies of these two teams and these

1189
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 3: two defenses. Somebody is going to have to hold the

1190
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 3: other down in the red zone, and my hunch is

1191
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: that whoever does that the most is going to be

1192
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 3: the one that emerges victorious. Am I saying anything that

1193
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 3: is next level? That is galaxy brained in terms of

1194
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 3: how football works. No, of course not. Whoever scores the

1195
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 3: most points wins. That's the way this damn thing was played.

1196
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: But I am looking first and foremost at the red

1197
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 3: zone because one of these two teams has to give

1198
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 3: on that side otherwise we're going to get like a

1199
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 3: six to three game, which I don't expect. So I'm

1200
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 3: looking first and foremost to see who is going to

1201
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 3: be more effective on defense, specifically in the red zone.

1202
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: So, yeah, Cincinnati's been been, but don't break the defense,

1203
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: especially against the pass has not been good, but they

1204
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: are good at forcing threes or getting off the field

1205
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 2: on fourth down whatever. In the red zone. BYU is

1206
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: the better team. Yeah, I don't think that is a

1207
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: controversial statement. But I don't think you judge BYU based

1208
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: on what they do against Texas Tech. I don't think

1209
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: you judge BYU based on what they do those first

1210
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 2: six weeks of the season, three weeks of the season. Whatever.

1211
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: If BYU is excellent, if BYU has a legit chance

1212
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 2: to win this conference and look better than they did

1213
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: against Texas Tech, obviously they have to win this game.

1214
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: This is a much more meaningful game than what they've

1215
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: played recently, just because there's more on the line. It's

1216
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: on the road. They have not been on the They

1217
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 2: have not been great on the road this year. Right

1218
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: when you look at the Iowa State the first half,

1219
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: the first two and a half quarters, whatever of the

1220
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: Iowa State game. They go to double overtime against what

1221
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: I think is a good Arizona team, but nonetheless they

1222
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: needed every second and maybe a bailout call at the

1223
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: end of regulation to win that game. Colorado I think

1224
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 2: was pretty This has not been a team that you

1225
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: know anywhere anyone will beat you by two touchdowns. That's

1226
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: just not BYU this year. And that's okay, because once again,

1227
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: winning is a skill. Winnings the KYU executes, they come

1228
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,959
Speaker 2: out with a w. I think BYU does the same

1229
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: thing here, but I think it is by once again

1230
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: the skin of their teeth. So I have BYU winning

1231
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: this one twenty eight to twenty four and needing every

1232
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: single second to do so.

1233
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 3: I like what Cincinnati has done this year, yep. This

1234
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 3: was a pivotal season for Scott Solderfield, and so if

1235
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 3: they come away from this thing with seven with eight,

1236
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: with nine wins, this season is definitely a step forward

1237
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 3: compared to last.

1238
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: He has done a good.

1239
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 3: Job this year if we stressed tests the resume though

1240
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: kind of to your point, Yeah, the best win was

1241
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 3: over a four lost Iowa State, And now each of

1242
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 3: the last two weeks they have played teams with considerably

1243
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 3: better defenses in Utah and Arizona, and they lost both those.

1244
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: Games, yep.

1245
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: And they lost the Utah game.

1246
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: By a lot, a lot that wasn't even closed with.

1247
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: Like game day in town.

1248
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I think there is something to be

1249
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 3: learned from that. I like BYU a lot in this spot.

1250
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: I think they're more battle tested. I think the way

1251
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: they responded in particular against TCU after losing was really impressive.

1252
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: Great.

1253
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: It would have been very easy to.

1254
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: Go one, two, three, can't coun and just peace out,

1255
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 3: But instead, as I think you pointed out, it might

1256
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 3: have been their most complete game of the season. They

1257
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 3: looked awesome against TCU, so.

1258
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 2: I tend to agree.

1259
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 3: I don't think this is a blowout, because BYU is

1260
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 3: not a blow them out kind of team. But I

1261
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 3: got twenty seven to twenty BYU winning this game on

1262
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 3: the road and giving themselves an opportunity again to get

1263
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 3: back into potentially a rematch against Texas Tech.

1264
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: Yes, we agreed on far too much. Yeah, I guess

1265
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 2: where it comes out of the ACC. I've got a

1266
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 2: dozen here. Let's just do some quickies. You're right, I'm

1267
01:03:58,920 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: ready with that.

1268
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, one PM on TNT, it is Baylor, it is Arizona.

1269
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 3: Arizona is a six and a half point favorite.

1270
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: Dan, who you got?

1271
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: I like Arizona here. Baylor has really struggled. They've struggled

1272
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: on the road, They've struggled defensively over the course of

1273
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 2: the year. Getting worse and worse and worse Arizona at home.

1274
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 2: I just I think the defense is going to come

1275
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: to play. And even if Sawyer Robertson and Baylor moves

1276
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 2: the ball some, I think Arizona on the ground should

1277
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: have a good amount of success against Baylor. So I

1278
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 2: have them winning this game by eight, So thirty one,

1279
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 2: twenty three, at thirty four to twenty five somewhere in there.

1280
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 3: I really like Arizona here as well. Their past defense. Again,

1281
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 3: people don't realize how good this pass defense. These safeties

1282
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 3: are so good for It's a really good pass defense.

1283
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 3: And the job that Brent Brennan has done in year

1284
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 3: two has been a complete turnaround story. So they have

1285
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: a safety named Genesis. Yeah man, yeah, he's kudos to him.

1286
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 3: The past defense is good. The offense is more than

1287
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 3: good enough to score points on this Baylor team. I've

1288
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 3: got Zona winning and covering thirty eight to twenty eight.

1289
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 3: Let's okay, three point thirty on ABC, it is Arkansas.

1290
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 3: It is number seventeen Texas, Texas now favored by eight

1291
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 3: and a half point. Stan you mentioned this on Tuesday,

1292
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 3: but this is a mammoth let down look ahead spot

1293
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 3: for Texas right one week after the Georgia game, one

1294
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 3: week before the rivalry against Texas A and M. Sometimes

1295
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 3: you see teams kind of take this one off or

1296
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 3: at least look past it. So is this something you

1297
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 3: expect to see now? For Texas favored by more than

1298
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 3: a touchdown at home against Arkansas. I mean, who's more

1299
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 3: of a snake in the toilet than Bobby Petrino. He's

1300
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 3: just a regular snake. But continue, well, I mean, sometimes

1301
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 3: he gets thirsty and where's he going to go? I

1302
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 3: have Arkansas here. Arkansas has competed with the best of

1303
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: their schedule in the SEC, so not counting the Notre

1304
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 3: Dame game, of course, Yep, you can move the ball

1305
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 3: against Texas as team after team after team has proven

1306
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 3: Texas has not separated, with the exception of the Oklahoma game.

1307
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 3: But again that's Oklahoma dealing with basically a non throwing

1308
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 3: passing attack. In that game, Taylor Green can be quite good.

1309
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 3: If Arkansas does not turn the ball over three times,

1310
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 3: that's my magic number. Yeah, if they turn it over

1311
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 3: fewer than three times, I think they cover this game,

1312
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 3: and I think they will, So I have Arkansas not

1313
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 3: winning this game.

1314
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 2: Oh that would be. I'm sort of circling Bobby Petrino.

1315
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 2: Arkansas is a snake in the toilet here. Yeah, it

1316
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 2: would be a great you know, just outright pick I

1317
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: can't do it because winning is a skill that Arkansas

1318
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: just hasn't possessed this year. They've come close time after

1319
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 2: time after time. But since the game is in Austin,

1320
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Texas here winning this game thirty to

1321
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 2: twenty four.

1322
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: I've got Texas winning and covering here.

1323
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 2: Texas doesn't blow teams out, they don't blow teams out,

1324
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: but it looks like they were going against Vandy.

1325
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 3: And then what I stand by what I said before

1326
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,479
Speaker 3: the Georgia game a week ago, and I still do

1327
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 3: feel in my marrow that Texas has improved, that we

1328
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 3: have seen real growth from them, that we've seen some

1329
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 3: growth from arch Manning. Obviously, last week did not go

1330
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 3: as expected or as they hoped it could go, not

1331
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 3: as expected, But I am on Texas here minus the number.

1332
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 3: I think they're going to get a big, resounding win

1333
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: here against Arkansas and they're going to go into that

1334
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 3: game at home week fourteen with a full head of

1335
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 3: steam trying to knock off Texas A and M.

1336
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: That's fine. I just also look at the body language

1337
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 2: of Texas in the fourth quarter against Georgia. Man, all right,

1338
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: fair enough, we disagree. Don they were done TI. Look,

1339
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 2: I don't think Arkansas is that good, but Texas is kentuckyish.

1340
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: They're Mississippi stateish. If they were wearing a, if it

1341
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 2: said something different on their uniform, if they had a

1342
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: different logo on their helmet, you'd be like, what a

1343
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 2: disappointing team. I don't have faith in them. Okay, they've

1344
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 2: scored a touchdown and their biggest games on offense. Gimme

1345
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: Tech Ohio State. George is the number, Georgetown Georgia. Okay,

1346
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 2: we disagree.

1347
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 3: Three thirty ESPN, Speaking of which, we got Kentucky on

1348
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 3: the road at number fourteen. Vandy number fourteen, Vandy favored

1349
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 3: by nine and.

1350
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: A half points.

1351
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 3: Possible look ahead spot Tennessee is on deck their rivalry game.

1352
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1353
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 3: For Vanderbilt, they were off last week. They will be

1354
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 3: fresh coming into this one. So if there is any

1355
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: kind of look ahead to be an open, open face

1356
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 3: look ahead Sandwich.

1357
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: Gimme Kentucky, pus the points.

1358
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 2: I'm taking Kentucky plus the points as well.

1359
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 3: I am going to go Kentucky pus the points because

1360
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 3: I feel like Kentucky's found something over the last couple

1361
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 3: of weeks. I feel like we have seen a much, much,

1362
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 3: much better version of Kentucky. I don't think they win

1363
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 3: this game out right, but I do think they've learned

1364
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 3: how to score. I think they've turned over something a

1365
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 3: new leaf, and I think they'll be competitive here. So

1366
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 3: nine and a half points, I understand the line.

1367
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: I get it. I think Kentucky's going to be within

1368
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: four or five points.

1369
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt same same. I just Vandy has not been a

1370
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,919
Speaker 2: team to blow teams out, and it's because of their defense.

1371
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: I think Kentucky should be able to move the ball some.

1372
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 2: Vandy obviously had a good week against Miszoo when I

1373
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 2: mean Bobabula wasn't that good against Vandy's defense either when

1374
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 2: he was in there. But other than that, Vandy's defense

1375
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 2: has allowed points, most recently to Auburn. So I think

1376
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 2: Kentucky's able to move the ball some. I think they're

1377
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 2: able to stop Diego Pavia and Kentucky and Vandy some

1378
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 2: and so I think Vandy wins this game. But I

1379
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 2: don't have this by a ton of points, So I

1380
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 2: don't know. Let's call it twenty seven to twenty.

1381
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: That feels about right. Yeah, that feels about right.

1382
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 3: Uh. Three thirty ACC Network Duke minus six and a

1383
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: half on the road against North Carolina, big old rivalry here, Dan,

1384
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 3: interesting nugget on the UNC side. If they can get

1385
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 3: to twenty points they win this year. It's a big

1386
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 3: if and it hasn't happened often, but when they get

1387
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 3: to twenty, they do win the game. I look at

1388
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 3: the Duke defense and I say, nah, they could probably

1389
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 3: score twenty points against that. Yes, I'm not too enamored

1390
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 3: with the Duke defense. I'm not sure they can win,

1391
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 3: but I do feel pretty confident that they can get

1392
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 3: the twenty.

1393
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: Here, Dan, how do you feel about this one?

1394
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 2: North Carolina lock of the week?

1395
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 1: Luck of the week?

1396
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 2: You go with the fighting Belichicks here?

1397
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:22,520
Speaker 1: Huh?

1398
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 2: I am well. After I saw the clip of the

1399
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 2: rec League cheerleading competition that Bill Belichick was attending to

1400
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 2: watch his girlfriend compete. I don't know what roles she

1401
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 2: had on. If she was somebody who was launched into

1402
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 2: the air or somebody who caught people launched in the air.

1403
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 2: I have no idea, But I think the spirit, I

1404
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 2: think the gusto. I think the electricity is all riding

1405
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 2: with North Carolina, especially since Duke has been terrible lately.

1406
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: Do you know how difficult in retrospect it is to

1407
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: give up forty five points to the Clemson offense twenty

1408
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 2: twenty five. Duke managed to do it. Now, they won

1409
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 2: that game, winnings better than losing, but I don't know, man.

1410
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 2: They lost by nine to Georgia Tech at home. They

1411
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: lose to Yukon giving up thirty seven. They lose to

1412
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 2: Virginia getting doubled up, so they're losing even if they

1413
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 2: give up only twenty points in that Georgia Tech game

1414
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,919
Speaker 2: and that Virginia game. I don't love the North Carolina

1415
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 2: offense here, but I think the North Carolina defense can

1416
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 2: do enough. They're at home their dogs. I think they

1417
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: beat their rival in Duke, and it's on the back

1418
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 2: of the defense. Now, Darien Mensa hasn't turned the ball

1419
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 2: over a ton, but I think if at all, I

1420
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 2: don't know if he's thrown an acc interception. But I

1421
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 2: still like the UNC offense to move the ball just

1422
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 2: enough to get to that vaunted twenty point threshold to beat. Duke,

1423
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: who has not been playing well, has arguably the worst

1424
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 2: thing in this game in their defense, I have North

1425
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 2: Carolina winning this game twenty four to eighteen. Oooo.

1426
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: That's spicy and I feel great about it.

1427
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 3: Do you?

1428
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 2: Yes?

1429
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 1: Really? You feel great about North Carolina?

1430
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 2: Yes?

1431
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 3: Man, I mean I made in my lock of the week.

1432
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 3: I listen, I'm with you. I'm gonna go North Carolina

1433
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 3: as well. They're not outright, I don't know. I situationally,

1434
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 3: this feels like a weird spot for Duke. It just

1435
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 3: feels like a weird spot. They lost a week go

1436
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 3: to Virginia right there there. It's been very lumpy this year.

1437
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,799
Speaker 3: It's been very boom or busty. And I could see

1438
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 3: North Carolina here in a rivalry spot, being up for

1439
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 3: this game, and I could see them pulling the upset.

1440
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 3: I could certainly see them at home in Chapel Hill,

1441
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 3: Chapel Bill, four o'clock, ESPN two Kansas State at Utah.

1442
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 3: We thought this was going to be a monster game

1443
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 3: back in Week one. Turns out it isn't. But here's

1444
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 3: something interesting for the football nerds in the back Okay.

1445
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 3: Utah plays the highest rate of zone coverage and is

1446
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 3: also the second most blitz heavy team in college football.

1447
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 3: With that being said, even as a seventeen and a

1448
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 3: half point favorite, Dan Rubinstein.

1449
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bit of a risk.

1450
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 3: There's a bit of a risk when you play like

1451
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 3: that against a quarterback like this and Avery Johnson, because

1452
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 3: what happens when you blitz and play a lot of

1453
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 3: man are play a lot of man coverage. I said

1454
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 3: zone coverage. Yeah, you've got defenders with their back to

1455
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,919
Speaker 3: the quarterback. The blitz causes him to escape the pocket,

1456
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 3: and perhaps you've got our guy, Avery Johnson running clean,

1457
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 3: clean through the defense. I'm sure they will have a

1458
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 3: spy for young Avery Johnson. But I do think that

1459
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 3: is an interesting matchup to watch. I don't know why

1460
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 3: I wrote highest rate of zone coverage.

1461
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, be clear and coverage.

1462
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 2: Utah plays a ton more man coverage, Yes than the

1463
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 2: average team. They trust their corners, they blitz, they do

1464
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 2: a good job.

1465
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 3: So those guys go and pass coverage. They turn their

1466
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 3: backs to the quarterbacks totally maybe already blitz in to

1467
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 3: try and force the issue. Avery john very good at

1468
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 3: escaping the pocket. Perhaps that gives him some running lanes.

1469
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 3: Would not surprise me if we see a really good

1470
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 3: rushing effort from Avery Johnson in this one against Utah,

1471
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 3: and now they'll say they're going to win. It's a seventeen

1472
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 3: point line. But that's sort of one of the things

1473
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 3: that I'm interested in.

1474
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:21,799
Speaker 2: Kansas State scored how many points last week against Oklahoma State? Fourteen?

1475
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're going Utah.

1476
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to Utah here. I think the

1477
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,719
Speaker 2: Kansas State defense is going to be having their hands

1478
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 2: full with Utah, especially on the ground. I just Utah

1479
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 2: has just been kicking teams all night, all day, So

1480
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 2: I'm going Utah here. I think defensively, you have less

1481
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: of a rushing attack to worry about this year with

1482
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: Kansas State than in previous years. Correct, Kansa State's one

1483
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: of the worst running teams in America this year. For

1484
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 2: all you want to say about you know, Avery Johnson

1485
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 2: playing against man coverage or whatever.

1486
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 3: Saying, I'm just saying that's something that is of interest

1487
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:05,480
Speaker 3: to me schematically.

1488
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: It's, you know, could be a little bit of an

1489
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: interesting wrinkle. That's all.

1490
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough picking Utah.

1491
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:11,759
Speaker 1: I'm not picking k State.

1492
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I just Case State has given up a

1493
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 2: ton of big plays. I think Utah is going to

1494
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 2: be winning this game something like forty two to forty

1495
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 2: two to twenty.

1496
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. When Utah beats teams, they really beat teams.

1497
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been scoring and as soon as a team

1498
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 2: makes a mistake, Utah is ready to turn that into points. Yeah.

1499
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just made that. I screwed up my interesting nugget.

1500
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 3: Then I read the wrong word.

1501
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 2: But whatever, you corrected yourself. I think correct My All's

1502
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 2: well four o'clock on Fox.

1503
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 3: It is TCU at number twenty three, Houston, Houston favored

1504
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 3: by two and a half points. Dan. If Houston wins out.

1505
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 3: If Houston wins out, they go ten and two, correct,

1506
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 3: and I gonna play for the Big twelve. But if

1507
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 3: they go ten and two, that's a hell of an

1508
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 3: accomplishment in year two for Fritz. So they have had

1509
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 3: a great season already to this point. It does not

1510
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 3: matter what happens moving forward. Obviously you would like some

1511
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 3: wins here. I think they will get a win here.

1512
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 3: I really don't know what TCU is supposed to be

1513
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 3: at this point. They're just sort of an average team,

1514
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 3: and I think Houston is playing with the full head

1515
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 3: of steam. I think they got a lot of momentum.

1516
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 3: I think they're playing with confidence. I think they have

1517
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 3: gotten better as the season has gone on, and I

1518
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 3: tend to believe a lot in Willy Fritz. So give

1519
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,520
Speaker 3: me Houston minus the number.

1520
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 2: And you forgot one other. Well, you've got two things. One,

1521
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 2: they're coming off of a bye Houston is so they

1522
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: have the rest advantage. Two, they stayed within ten points

1523
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 2: of West Virginia time. They stayed within ten.

1524
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy.

1525
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 2: West Virginia is out here ruining the vibes of what

1526
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 2: Houston and Pitt randomly this year. Scotty Fox playmaker, I'm

1527
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 2: gonna go Houston here to win this game. I think

1528
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 2: it being at home, having what they have on the line,

1529
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 2: which is huge improvement over last year's four and eight season,

1530
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: and t see really struggling on defense, really struggling to

1531
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 2: get off the field on third down. I think Connor

1532
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 2: Wigman has had quietly one of the more impressive bounce

1533
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: back years given all the injury history he's had in

1534
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 2: his college career. I'm going Houston here to win by

1535
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 2: five or six.

1536
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm with you and the Connor Wigman

1537
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 3: story has been really interesting. He's been very good on

1538
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 3: the ground too. He leads a team in touchdowns, got

1539
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 3: nine touchdowns. He's averaging close to five yards of carry.

1540
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 3: He's been running the ball, you know, is over five

1541
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 3: hundred yards on the ground this season, So not the

1542
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 3: leading rusher, but the leading touchdown scorer at least on

1543
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 3: the ground, and has been, as you said, a really

1544
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 3: good bounce back story. So good for him and good

1545
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 3: for WILLI Fritz and the Houston Cougars. I am rooting

1546
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 3: for them to go ten and two.

1547
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: Plus. I have my retirement account with Houston starting running

1548
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: back Dean Connors, so there's that too. I need, I

1549
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 2: need the success.

1550
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 3: Seven o'clock NBC Nebraska at Penn State. Penn State favored

1551
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 3: by nine and a half points. Yeah, it's a lot

1552
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 3: of where's my sound?

1553
01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: That's a lot of potatoes.

1554
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 3: That is a little lot of potatoes for this cross state, right,

1555
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 3: But I TJ Latiff on the road, I guess is

1556
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,440
Speaker 3: what the odds makers are looking at, and they're saying, Nah,

1557
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 3: we're good, We're gonna go Penn State.

1558
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really did think it was too many points.

1559
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: But if we're going to talk about those you know,

1560
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 2: you talk about by us bounce back after the performance

1561
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 2: against Texas tack or lack thereof, and looking really good

1562
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: against TCU. Let's not gloss over Penn State losing on

1563
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 2: like the catch of the Millennia to a top five team,

1564
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 2: losing on a miracle catch by I believe was Omar Cooper, right, oh,

1565
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 2: Mark Cooper Junior, yet bouncing back winning the Land Grand

1566
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:49,799
Speaker 2: Trophy by nearly three touchdowns, and to me, that speaks

1567
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:54,440
Speaker 2: to the vibes that everybody's so happy James Franklin is gone,

1568
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 2: Which have fun Virginia Tech. I'm obviously kidding here. Uh No,

1569
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: it is it. We shouldn't gloss over the fact that

1570
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 2: Penn State did win. They were impressive. They could have

1571
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: lost that game. They could have lost two games because

1572
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 2: of the o Walmark Cooper catch bounce back against Michigan State.

1573
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 2: We don't need to talk about the Spartan vibes in

1574
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 2: this moment. No, no, but I'm going to go Penn

1575
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 2: State here. I don't trust TJ. Latif this would be

1576
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 2: Dana Holgerson's master work. If Nebraska is able to get

1577
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 2: what they got out of the air like they did

1578
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 2: against I was at UCLA a couple of weeks ago

1579
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 2: against Penn State. I don't know. I think Penn State

1580
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: wants to finish strong.

1581
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to go Penn State as well. Here, Ye,

1582
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 3: Matt Ruhle coming back into town. Maybe he'll stay, Maybe

1583
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 3: you'll have a.

1584
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 2: Change the heart. So if they're really good, if Nebraska

1585
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 2: is awesome, then that's a feather in his cap and

1586
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 2: Penn State's impressed. But if Penn State dominates this game,

1587
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 2: then they have their answer. I just want everybody to know,

1588
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 2: everybody be on alert. Yeah that if Matt Rule.

1589
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,879
Speaker 3: Should pull the move that he pulled both at Temple

1590
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 3: and at Baylor where he signed an extension and then

1591
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 3: left a few months later, if he were to do

1592
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 3: that and end up as Penn State's coach, not to

1593
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 3: say I would be that excited about Matt Rule as

1594
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 3: Penn State's new coach. I would gloat to no end

1595
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 3: if I ended up being right after all about Matt

1596
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 3: Rule being the coach at Penn State.

1597
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: Just same putting that out there. So I don't think

1598
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: that's going to happen.

1599
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 2: But I so what is James Franklin making from Penn

1600
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 2: State now?

1601
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 3: They negotiated his buyout down to nine million, nine million dollars.

1602
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 2: So all I will say as it relates to this

1603
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 2: topic you just brought up, is they're down a lot

1604
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 2: less money than initially thought. And I know it was

1605
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 2: it was going to be an annual payment plan or whatever.

1606
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 2: But with regard to Matt Rule's buyout, it's not crazy.

1607
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 3: We shouldn't even have this conversation because people are going

1608
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 3: to take it the wrong way and think we're saying

1609
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 3: something we're not.

1610
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 2: I have no intel on the subject out.

1611
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't either at this point I thought, but I don't.

1612
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 2: This would be a kin to you picking Michigan to

1613
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 2: win the National Championship all season long two years ago,

1614
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 2: only for you to turn your back pick Alabama in

1615
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl and then have Michigan win. So you've

1616
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 2: admitted defeat on the rule thing, and it's not technically

1617
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 2: off the table.

1618
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 3: Yet seven point thirty ABC. If I'm being honest, I

1619
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 3: am very uncomfortable that we waited this long to talk

1620
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 3: about this game Number twenty Tennessee minus three and a

1621
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 3: half on the road at Florida. This is a historic,

1622
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 3: an iconic, and important rivalry that almost means nothing right now.

1623
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 3: Because Floyda fired its coach. Don't know who the next

1624
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 3: guy is gonna be. I guess we're gonna have to

1625
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 3: wait and find out. Tennessee number twenty right now. They

1626
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 3: got a big game next week against Vanderbilt. I did

1627
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 3: see that they have like a zero point two percent

1628
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 3: chance of making the playoff. I would love for somebody

1629
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 3: to game plan for me exactly how that is possible,

1630
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 3: because that.

1631
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: Would be a hoot.

1632
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 3: If snake in the toilet Saturday ends up being a

1633
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 3: gigantic king Kobra in the toilet, then perhaps that odds

1634
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 3: those odds shoot up and Tennessee maybe becomes more of

1635
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 3: a player in that conversation. As it stands, I have

1636
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 3: no idea how we get there. They're only a three

1637
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 3: and a half point road favored in the swamp against Florida, Dan,

1638
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 3: what are we saying here?

1639
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: What are we feeling?

1640
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 2: Florida plays well at home? I mean, ignore the USF result.

1641
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 2: Florida plays well at home. They played great at home. Yeah,

1642
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: so Florida at home obviously lost to USF. But they

1643
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 2: beat Texas, they beat Mississippi State, then fired their coach

1644
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 2: after a win, and they're terrible results recently. Well, it

1645
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 2: wasn't even that terrible against Georgia. That was a close loss,

1646
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: but it was away from Gainesville, away from Gainesville, away

1647
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 2: from Gainesville these last three weeks, So I don't know,

1648
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,919
Speaker 2: whatever the situation. The Swamp always wants to beat Tennessee

1649
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: by one hundred, right, always, so this place will be

1650
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 2: amped up. Florida does have a promising quarterback. I won't

1651
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 2: say great quarterback. I'll say I sing quarterback. Tennessee matches

1652
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: up nicely in that They're not great against the pass

1653
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 2: and Florida's had some issues through the air, and the

1654
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,759
Speaker 2: turnovers obviously have been an issue this year. And Florida's

1655
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 2: defensive weakness has been playing the pass, and Tennessee can

1656
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 2: throw the ball well, so it lines up kind of

1657
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 2: nicely for Tennessee. I'm just not there. I'm just not

1658
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 2: there with the balls in this spot. I think this

1659
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 2: is the last gasp for whatever this season is for Florida,

1660
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: and I think they're gonna win this game.

1661
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 1: I've got Florida outright.

1662
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 3: I do too, And I couldn't quite put into words

1663
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,759
Speaker 3: why I felt that way, but this is a vibes

1664
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 3: thing for me, and I agree with you that this

1665
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 3: is kind of like a last last gasp situation for Florida.

1666
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 3: Now Florida's got Florida State, I believe, close out the

1667
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 3: year right, So they're not short on not short on

1668
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 3: games that are meaningful within the state of Florida, within

1669
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 3: the state of just their program. Beating Florida State would

1670
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 3: be a very big deal in its own right. It

1671
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 3: could get Mike Norvell fired, who knows. But this is

1672
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 3: a classic SEC rivalry goes way back to the years

1673
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 3: of Peyton Manning being at Tennessee.

1674
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: If not much farther back.

1675
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 3: So I am I am of the mind that Florida

1676
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 3: is winning this game out right. I'm feeling it too.

1677
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 2: So Tennessee on the road this year over time, I

1678
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 2: want to say, against Mississippi State in which they needed

1679
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 2: two defensive touchdowns to have that tide at the end

1680
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 2: of regulation, lose by seventeen. Tobama give up thirty four points,

1681
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 2: you know, heart that is to Kentucky in a win

1682
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 2: they scored fifty six. It's hard to give up thirty

1683
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 2: four points to a Mark Stoops team. Tennessee's defense managed

1684
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: and now they get Florida on the road in like

1685
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 2: a Florida situation which they have zero to lose. So okay,

1686
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 2: I'm going Florida.

1687
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: Four other games very quickly. Let's buzz through them.

1688
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 3: Place Place, Place, seven thirty Big ten Network, Illinois minus

1689
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 3: seven and a half on the road at Wisconsin, Dan,

1690
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 3: Wisconsin's offense has been dreadful. Illinois, I can finish nine

1691
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 3: and three if they went out.

1692
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: How you feeling?

1693
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: I like Illinois here, you have to find reasons to

1694
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 2: like Wisconsin and if they can't move the ball like

1695
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 2: you saw it against Indiana right where they're frisky for

1696
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 2: a certain amount of time, but your defense can only

1697
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: play so long.

1698
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm on Illinois by about fourteen here.

1699
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, seven thirty ACC Network cal Stanford the Big Game,

1700
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 3: CAL favor by three and a half points.

1701
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: Playing this game at Stanford.

1702
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 3: Did you happen to see that next week's Notre Dame

1703
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 3: Stanford games kicking off at ten thirty pm Eastern time.

1704
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be South Bend time, right? Is that

1705
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 2: what time it is in South Bend?

1706
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1707
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: It's eastern. Yeah, great, the late kick.

1708
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: Good thing we're doing the stream otherwise I'd be sound asleep.

1709
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 2: Yep.

1710
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 3: I like cal here, give me cal away let's go

1711
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 3: cal eight pm, ESPN two, Arizona State minus seven and

1712
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 3: a half points on the road at Colorado. Let me

1713
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 3: just say, Jeff Simmons has actually been decent. He has,

1714
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: and like I poked a lot of fun. I'm never

1715
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 3: picking Arizona State again. It's a Jeff Simms team now.

1716
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 3: But Jeff Simms has been decent. The other thing that

1717
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 3: I will offer about Arizona State while we're here, did

1718
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 3: you see that Sam Levitt is likely going to be

1719
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 3: in the portal that.

1720
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 2: At least he's considering. It was refuted I think by

1721
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 2: his brother, but the brother didn't say no, of course not.

1722
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: He's staying at ASU. He loves ASU. So there was

1723
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 2: a report that he is looking to command big money

1724
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 2: in the portal. And why wouldn't you if I guess,

1725
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 2: if you're Sam Levitt and you don't feel like ASU

1726
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 2: is paying you anywhere near your market value, I think

1727
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 2: a SE is a great situation for Sam Levitt. But

1728
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here in the Chicago Burbs. What do I know?

1729
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 2: Interesting story? Interesting?

1730
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: I'm on ASU here. ASU beats Colorado.

1731
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the big thing here with ASU this

1732
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 2: week is they get to play Colorado, Yeah exactly, and

1733
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 2: Deon Sanders this week sort of said, hey, we just

1734
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 2: need a little bit more time. They're getting a new ad,

1735
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 2: which is never great, and he said, look, we've made

1736
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 2: some mistakes this year with how we handled these games,

1737
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 2: in these rosters, in these game plans. I'm like, it's

1738
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 2: not what I love to see before a game against

1739
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 2: the quality team.

1740
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to sc and last Monogast Friday, eight pm

1741
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 3: ESPN Florida State minus four and a half on the

1742
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 3: road at in C State.

1743
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 2: I'm going Florida State here.

1744
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Florida State needs to win one of their next

1745
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 3: two to go to a bowl game. They've got NC State,

1746
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 3: they got Florida left, both of them are on the road,

1747
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 3: and NC State is also in the same position.

1748
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 1: They need one win to qualify.

1749
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 3: They got Florida State this week North Carolina and next

1750
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 3: both of their games are at home.

1751
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: I am on Florida State here as well.

1752
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 3: I'm not sure where NC State's at right now, so

1753
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 3: give me Florida State. I'm not sure what going to

1754
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 3: a bowl. I'm not sure what going seven and five

1755
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 3: would mean for Mike Norvel, but beating NC State on

1756
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 3: the road, being I started on a Friday night. Give

1757
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 3: me the knowles done all right, Yan, I have very

1758
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 3: very very quickly. Yeah, a list of games that I

1759
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 3: think are a bit under the radar. And it's because

1760
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 3: there are five g six games here that we need

1761
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 3: to put on people's radar.

1762
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: Please.

1763
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 3: The first is Friday night, ten thirty on FS one.

1764
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 3: It is Hawaii on the road at unlv U and

1765
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 3: LV favored by two and a half three points. I

1766
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 3: am all over Hawaii right here.

1767
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 2: I love UNLV can't wait to watch it early Saturday morning.

1768
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 2: This is past my bedtime.

1769
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 3: One pm ESPN plus Washington State at James Madison. The

1770
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 3: Dukes are a thirteen and a half point home favorite.

1771
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 3: They need style points, Dan that is clear from the

1772
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 3: college football playoff rankings are I think they can get

1773
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 3: those style points against WAZU, So give me JMU.

1774
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 2: I like JMU as well, but I I really hesitated

1775
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 2: on this one because Wazoo's defense has been good, and

1776
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 2: they've played like an unreasonable amount of really good offenses

1777
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 2: this year, and they've held up defensively decently well. They

1778
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 2: were right there against Virginia, who could win the ACC

1779
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 2: right there again, Ole miss likely playoff team. They're in

1780
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 2: a great spot to build on a weird year, so

1781
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: it's just traveling across the country. I think Jamie is

1782
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 2: too good on both sides of the all give me Jamie.

1783
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 3: Three thirty ESPN plus e c U minus two and

1784
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 3: a half points on the road at UTSA is a

1785
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 3: big game, yeah for ECU, and I think they deliver.

1786
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: Give me Cu.

1787
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 2: I love Utsa here. They're getting aggressive dome in the

1788
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 2: Alamo Dome here, Ty give me the road Runners.

1789
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,599
Speaker 3: Three forty five ESPNU number twenty four Tulane minus eight

1790
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,759
Speaker 3: and a half points on the road at Temple.

1791
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 1: I am all over Temple.

1792
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 2: I love Temple, temp damn it.

1793
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 3: Temple Dan. Where is my sound here? Where is my

1794
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 3: home dog of the week sound? It was here a second?

1795
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 2: Here it is if I can make it the Yokos

1796
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,520
Speaker 2: home dog of the week.

1797
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,719
Speaker 1: Jimmy Temple plus the eight and a half against Tulane.

1798
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,879
Speaker 2: This is the mass piece that K. C. Keeler paints

1799
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 2: to get that Penn State job.

1800
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 1: Maybe who knows, doesn't seem like anybody wants it.

1801
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 2: Temple wins this outright continue.

1802
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 3: And finally, last game on the slate here for US

1803
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 3: seven pm. CBS Sports Network, Your New Mexico Lobos on

1804
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 3: the Road at air Force a two and a half

1805
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:21,839
Speaker 3: point favorite.

1806
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 2: I don't love that it's at altitude, but it is,

1807
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 2: and it is no longer October. But I'm still going

1808
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 2: to New Mexico here outright, the air Force defense is

1809
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 2: terrible and the New Mexico run defense is pretty good.

1810
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 3: Fair enough, all right, Listen, this is the week to

1811
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 3: go out and do stuff. This is the week. It's

1812
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 3: a snake in the toilet Saturday. You and I happen

1813
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 3: to think it's gonna get weird, But if you look

1814
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 3: just at face value at many of these games, I

1815
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 3: understand if you're you're like, Listen, I gotta I gotta

1816
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 3: spend some time with a significant.

1817
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 2: Other pre Thanksgiving weekend.

1818
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Pre Right, I've been.

1819
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 3: I've been holed up watching football all through October, a

1820
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 3: good chunk of November.

1821
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta give a weekend back. This is

1822
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 1: the weekend to give it back for bullerhood.

1823
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:19,759
Speaker 2: Or maybe you start furiously swiping to find that significant other. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Swipe,

1824
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 2: work the apps, whatever you're into, work the grocery stores,

1825
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 2: whatever you need to do. Grocery stores. Isn't that creepy? No, No,

1826
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 2: you just happen to be ordering the same cold cuts

1827
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 2: as you know some somebody attractive next to you. When

1828
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 2: I was back in the years when I was single,

1829
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 2: I remember people saying, go to the grocery store, it's

1830
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 2: a great probably maybe it was go to the grocery store,

1831
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 2: it's a great way to meet people.

1832
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 3: How that seems creepy to me. I'm just gonna follow

1833
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 3: somebody from asle to I Like, what is the what's

1834
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 3: the strategy there?

1835
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 2: No, you don't follow somebody, but you if you notice somebody,

1836
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 2: then you figure out how to happen to run into them.

1837
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 3: Oh you like cheetos too, that's weird. Like what is

1838
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 3: the pickup line there? How do you what is the

1839
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 3: entry point into a conversation? I don't I never understood.

1840
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 2: If they're buying cheetos and you happen to have cheeto thoughts,

1841
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 2: you can like flaming hot too much? I get that right.

1842
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 2: You have to come in with a little bit of charm,

1843
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 2: tie a little bit, as the kids say, some of

1844
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 2: that riz. But it can be done. Our go play

1845
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 2: rec league, volleyball or something.

1846
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 3: If you met your significant other or just a significant

1847
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 3: other at some point in your life at.

1848
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 1: The grocery store.

1849
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 3: Solidverbo at gmail dot com write in, I need to

1850
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 3: know how. Sorry, we never understood that idea.

1851
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 2: We can't all meet our significant others at chemical and

1852
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 2: gas companies tie the old fashioned way.

1853
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 3: I'm not looking down my nose at this. I just

1854
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 3: need to understand it.

1855
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get how it works.

1856
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 2: Well. I think it's just charm on a level that

1857
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 2: you can't connect with. Probably, I mean obviously. But yeah,

1858
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 2: speaking of which, tie, Speaking of which, if you could

1859
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 2: quickly drop big stanky, nibbling nestling, no drum.

1860
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: And five baby oh baby, a baby, a baby.

1861
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 2: If I know TI, there's gonna be a nibbling nestling

1862
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 2: weekend continue.

1863
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 3: So I'll BM Fordham one in ten, Merrimac three and eight.

1864
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: Who you got t.

1865
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 2: Stop the music? There is one game this weekend. Don't

1866
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 2: insult our listeners. There is one pat League game. In

1867
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 2: one pat League game, only who you got in the

1868
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 2: only game that matters Lehigh Lafayette in Easton at whatever

1869
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 2: the name of the field is. Who you have?

1870
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: So there are other pet League games. There's four discrede Back.

1871
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 3: There's Richmond Bill and Mary, There's Bucknell Colegate, there's Georgetown

1872
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 3: Holy Cross. But we speak in hush, revered tones about

1873
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 3: this year's installment of Lehi Lafia.

1874
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 2: Well, Bill and Mary is not a PAT League team.

1875
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 3: I know, But it features a Pett League game or

1876
01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 3: a PAT League team.

1877
01:33:58,720 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 1: In the game.

1878
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 2: Merrimack is not. Yeah.

1879
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 3: Lee High is eleven and zero. There are fourth in

1880
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 3: the FCS. Loafayette is eight and three. I believe they're

1881
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 3: twenty fifth or twenty fourth in the FCS rankings as well.

1882
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: The winner of this game will win the Pat League.

1883
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: I believe, m hm.

1884
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 3: Maybe Lee has already clinched it. I have not looked

1885
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 3: at the scenarios there the way I'm looking at playoff scenarios.

1886
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 3: But you understand where I'm at here.

1887
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 2: I do.

1888
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 1: This is a very big game. I gotta go Lee

1889
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: High Mountain Hawks.

1890
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 3: I gotta go Lee High Mountain Hawks because I need

1891
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 3: them to get into the playoffs. I need them to

1892
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 3: play a game or two at Murray H. Goodman Stadium

1893
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 3: because I want to go over there and I want

1894
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 3: to watch it with my own two eyes. Sure, so

1895
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 3: go Lee High, Go Engineers, Go Mountain Hawks. I'm saying

1896
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 3: this is going to be something like twenty seven to seventeen,

1897
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 3: a resounding win on the road in Fisher Stadium. Lehigh

1898
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 3: brings home Patriot League. They bring home home at first

1899
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 3: round by in the FCS playoffs.

1900
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 2: So both of these teams are six and oh in

1901
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 2: the PAT League. So I don't maybe I don't understand

1902
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 2: the tiebreakers here. But if Lafayette finishes seven and oh

1903
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 2: in the Pat League.

1904
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 3: Well, all these teams play other teams, so I didn't

1905
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 3: know who else they played. Sorry, I know we do this,

1906
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 3: but I'm not on the up and up with all

1907
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,480
Speaker 3: of my Pat League scenarios.

1908
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a low scoring game.

1909
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 1: For lehih.

1910
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm wearing the shirt seventy seven to

1911
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 2: three Lafayette. Whoa, We're wearing the shirt seventy seven to three,

1912
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,680
Speaker 2: seventy seven to three, Limb from Limb. I'm wearing the

1913
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 2: shirt here. You are wearing the Divorzac shirt. It looks beautiful.

1914
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 3: Can go to our merch store Solidverbal Merch dot soliverb

1915
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:48,520
Speaker 3: dot Soliverbal dot com. We have found a graphical representation.

1916
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 3: This is Devorzak you've told me this is sort of

1917
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 3: like Creative Commons licensed. So it is the picture. Yes,

1918
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,680
Speaker 3: we turned it into an illustration. It doesn't look at

1919
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 3: this standing up. It doesn't not look like a more

1920
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 3: distinguished version of Spencer Hall without the glasses.

1921
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 2: Some might argue less distinguished, but it definitely looks like him.

1922
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 3: It doesn't not look like Spencer correct. But this is

1923
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 3: the graphical representation of the often often imitated but never

1924
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 3: actually duplicated dramatic drive chart segment that you do, yes,

1925
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 3: only once this year, which that's for you to determine

1926
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 3: in your own free time. But uh, I've got a shirt,

1927
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 3: go and check out the Dramatic drive tea.

1928
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 2: Should can I add one more thing? If I can?

1929
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 2: I know this has been a long show. It's it's

1930
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 2: free audio at this it's free audio. Okay. So I

1931
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 2: was thinking about this, and you know about like Chinese

1932
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 2: New Years and it's like the Year of the Dragon,

1933
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 2: the Year of the blah blah blah. I think this

1934
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 2: is college football is a year of the Bear year,

1935
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:52,640
Speaker 2: the Bear Year of the Bear. Chris. So yes, of

1936
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:56,559
Speaker 2: course we have Chris the Bear FeliCa doing bear bets

1937
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 2: with our friend Jeff Schwartz. Yep, we've got the calb

1938
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 2: playing in big games. Yes, we have the Baylor Bears

1939
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 2: potentially beating the ACC champion early on in the season.

1940
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 2: Let's not pay attention too much to what those Bears

1941
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 2: have accomplished since then. No, we've got arguably the number

1942
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 2: one freshman quarterback in a power conference named aar Bachmeyer

1943
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:24,480
Speaker 2: Bear Bachmeyer. The number one team in the Big Twelves.

1944
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 2: Name at quarterback starts with Baron Morton, bar Morton.

1945
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 1: Okay, this is a bit of a stretch now, but continue.

1946
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 2: We've got the Brawl of the Wild featuring the Montana

1947
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 2: Grizzlies this week.

1948
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 1: Yep, yes, yeah.

1949
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 3: We've got the cuts Down Golden Bears Kutztown, Kutztown Golden Bears.

1950
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 3: If you say cuts Town people, sorry, outsider, I am

1951
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 3: an outsider Kutztown. Well, I'm trying to school you up

1952
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 3: so you don't sound like an outsider. But yes, the

1953
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 3: kutz Town Golden Bears, they're the Golden Bears. H went

1954
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:53,759
Speaker 3: there for her masters.

1955
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:58,679
Speaker 2: We are in the middle of the salmon run, always

1956
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 2: enjoyed by bears, right, Bears love eating salmon. They're spawning

1957
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, happens every By the way, mamma Age

1958
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 2: did undergrad. It cuts down not her masters. Her master's

1959
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 2: was at Lee High. Okay, we're a very much pa

1960
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 2: college family. Continue, fair enough, And then that brings us

1961
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 2: to the Mercer Bears, who are about to beat the

1962
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:21,759
Speaker 2: Auburn Tigers outright, baby, get ready?

1963
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 3: Oh?

1964
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 2: Ty you heard it here first.

1965
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 3: If Mercer beats Auburn, that'd be something that would definitely

1966
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 3: not bode well for DJ Dirkins campaign to be the

1967
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 3: next coach at Auburn. No, not at all, but maybe

1968
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 3: a look ahead spot with the iron bowl on deck.

1969
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm telling you get ready for it. Prepare yourself.

1970
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 2: That's wow.

1971
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 3: That'd be sunned. That would be here the bear making

1972
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 3: the toilet. Yeah, all right. We covered a lot of

1973
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:51,560
Speaker 3: ground an hour and like forty strong here on the

1974
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 3: Week thirteen preview episode. Please do tell your friends about

1975
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1976
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:01,639
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1977
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1978
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1979
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:09,400
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1980
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 2: Okay, By the way, Ty, I just brought up the

1981
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 2: Chinese New Year It's the Year of the Snake, is it?

1982
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 2: It is? Woo How perfect is that?

1983
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1984
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1985
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1986
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1987
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1988
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:43,559
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1989
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:47,639
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1990
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 3: we've got our midnight live stream where we'll recap all

1991
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 3: of the action for that guy over there, my good

1992
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 3: friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hildebrant.

1993
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: Thank you as always, you know the drill, Stay soft, Peace,