WEBVTT - Geoff Ogilvy - U.S. Open, Pebble, Winged Foot, and Life as a Pro 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.960 Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Egg Podcast. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.920 Today's episode is powered by tdam or Trade. Every stroke 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.799 counts on the scorecard and every penny counts in the market. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:13.880 That's why tedam or Trade is committed to straightforward pricing 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.759 with no surprises, so you're free to swing with confidence. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:23.960 Visit tedomritrade dot com, slash Friday Egg member SIPC. It's 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.760 US Open weekend. We welcome on US Open champion two 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:31.760 thousand and six US Open Champion Jeff Ogilvy. Jeff comes 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.040 on to talk about the US Open, what is like 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.360 to play in it, a little bit about his win 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:41.599 at Wingfoot and as well as other US Opens, and 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:46.280 then Pebble Beach. So, without further ado, here's Jeff Ogilvy 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.080 and enjoy today's podcast. I miss the green, for example, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.600 I'm already upset. When I find my ball in the bunker, 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.920 I'm really upset. And when I find my ball in. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.120 A Friday Egg Frida egg thedded Frida egg Frida egg 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.720 Frida egg Frida egg egg Lie. 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:25.520 I'm about ready to run off of the course. If 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.720 you were going to do a rota, say five courses 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.400 for the US Open, what would they be. 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:45.080 Uh Oakmont finalst Number two, Shinnacock Pebble have many that 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:51.840 four it's for one more. I mean I like West 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.520 Coast opens. I don't like Olympic though. I don't think 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.760 that belongs in that. I mean, Olympics amazing, but I 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.760 don't think it belongs in that. If it's just gonna 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:04.680 be fun, I don't know. Riv Maybe Riviera being incredibly 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.800 wis open. La North will be fun too. I think 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:08.680 v would be a great one. 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:13.120 Actually, I'm excited for La North. I'm a little worried 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.400 about scores. People getting crazy about scores there. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.600 It's going to be wide, but the greens are pretty 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.480 crazy there. Yeah, I'm all worried about logistics. I mean, 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:23.840 how car is going to get in and out and 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:25.359 like where people are going to stay in, Like that's 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.000 like the busiest traffic area in the whole world. That's 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:33.320 going to be a logistically interesting you know, who's going 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.000 to rent the Playboy mention for the week? 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:40.040 Monkeys are still, the animals are still. Do you know 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.160 those apartments like that overlook it they are like empty? 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.200 Oh really, I guess that like oil money owns them 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:52.519 and they're like perfectly content just hemorrhaging money. Oh yeah, 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.679 it's like there's just all of them are empty. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.839 Because that's such a good place. Yeah, the West Coast 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.040 opens are good because of the weather's more predictable, right, 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.760 you just you can get foggy at Pebble, right, but 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.680 like l a weather in summer, like the Tory Open 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.120 was the best West weather we've had by far, and actually, 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.720 weirdly enough, the Chambers was the best one we've had too, 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.079 Like the East coast ones of storms and sometimes you 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:19.880 get unpredictable rain and it's really really hot. But yeah, 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:25.080 what I say, Oakmont, Pinehurst, Pebble, China, wing Foot. There 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:29.240 you go, We've got to put wingfo. It's a perfect venue. Actually, 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:30.960 it's a great place, not just because of me, but 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:32.880 it's a great club. 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:37.000 What what's the most underrated thing about winning a years helping? 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.080 The most underrated thing? They're all rated pretty high. I think, 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:42.440 I don't know. It's been good. 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.600 I guess like, what's the thing that you didn't know 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.240 that like when when you want it that now you 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.240 look back and you're like, whoa, that was cool. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.600 The thing that blew me away the most is that, 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.880 even to this day, I get new people telling me 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.840 that they were there that's or they marshaled the fourth 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:06.640 hole the thirst day that week, or like, how many 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.040 people are like actually involved in watch interested in the 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.000 US Open is more than any other tournament that I've 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:15.600 ever seen or heard about. I mean, everybody's seen. This 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:17.880 is such a tradition in the US to watch the 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.400 US Open on Sunday others day. It's just what people do, right, 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.240 And they might not watch golf all year, but that's 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.680 their day to watch golf. And to this day I 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:31.719 meet people who talk about that Sunday for whatever reason. 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.440 It was kind of remember one because of what Phil 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.600 did and stuff too, so it kind of sticks out 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.599 in people's memories a little bit to I think, just 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.839 how many people watch it, it's just amazing for me. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.400 You had Phil and you had Manti. Yeah, just the 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.800 scoring in general. The massacre at wing Foot. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.800 Yeah, it was nuts. It was. It actually didn't obviously 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.000 because I was playing well. It didn't seem everyone was 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:53.720 complaining about how hard it was, and I didn't think 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:55.760 it was that hard. I mean, obviously our scores were high. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.880 We were I don't know if anyone was ever under par. 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.000 Maybe after day one there was someone on a part, 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.279 but I want it five five over. I think five over. 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.200 But I never thought it was that hard, and people 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:07.840 complaining that the greens were a bit ropy in the 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.960 afternoons and stuff. But obviously I was playing well because 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.640 I thought that it was playing perfectly. It was tough. 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.720 It's you know, isn't that how it is? Though? If 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.320 you're playing well, like you're probably not gonna be complaining. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.680 Yeah, I guess. I mean every other US Open I 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.760 complained pretty much, not complained. But they're just so hard 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:34.280 and it feels unfair hard sometimes, you know, and it's 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.640 just you just get You can put in like nine 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.240 great holes and you're just grinding and you're trying so hard, 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:40.840 and every hole is the hardest hole you've ever played. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.680 You're making pars and you're making pars, and you're making 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:44.440 pars and you get one kind of weird bounce into 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.159 a bad lay over the green. You make a double 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.160 and you're just all the air comes out of your 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.880 sales because you've just put so much effort in keeping 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.240 near parer. As soon as you make it, you know 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:53.920 you're never getting back to me a power again. Right. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.920 It's just such a depressive, deflating kind of experience. You 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.680 can have a US Open that they could be hard 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:00.760 to play. 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.960 And my buddy that played is a lot of am 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.320 USGA stuff. We were playing in the mid amf're and 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.560 he was like, just remember par. When you're making a 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.600 lot of pars, you're doing really good. Like, especially with 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.840 that being a match play thing, you know, like if 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.080 you make if you just keep making lots of pars, 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.520 you'll be fine. Like you can you know, you can avoid, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.800 you know, but if you make tons of pars, you're fine. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:25.960 And I feel like that's the way with the US 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.680 Open too. I was, I was out watching today and 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.560 I was, I think there's a lot of birdies at pebble, 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.560 and Rory talked about it a little bit. There's a 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.080 ton of birdies at pebble because you get wedges if 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.359 you hit good shots. And but the flip side of 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.920 it is that pebble might be like laden with the 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:46.800 most like you can make double or triple or quad anywhere. 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.320 It seems like you can make a double or triple 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.680 so fast and even with a wedge in your hand 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.600 if you just get a little too aggressive. The grains 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.359 are very kind of volcano. You know, they're all high 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.440 with the bunkers. Bunkers on the outside are really high 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.280 with steep slopes down onto the greens. And so if 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:05.920 you're landing it over any of these bunkers, you hit 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.520 these downslopes. And if you take on too much, you 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.440 hit a big downslope, you get one big bounce over 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.960 the back into some crazy rough they've got that. Just 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:18.240 ringing the bunkers is like nutty thick. You can and 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:19.840 you get over the green, and then you get over 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.520 the green on half the greens at Pebble you can't 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.480 get the web the pitch on the green. This is 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:24.880 no way. It's just going to go off the front. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:30.320 So it's a it's relatively doable if you hit every shot. Well, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:32.680 you know, not every US Open can be like that. Man, 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.080 you can hit good shots at Oak Mautin get in 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.600 real trouble Pebble. Have you hit good shots, you're going 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.080 to be all right, But as soon as you miss, 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.080 you're gonna have stress. When it's set up like this anyway, it's. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:45.040 How much people talk about how different it is from 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.520 like the pro am, but like how what would you say, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:53.560 like a shot value? Would us open versus AT and 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.400 T pro am set up. 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.760 Be well, the pebble the pro am. We don't play 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:00.800 way off the back, I don't think. I mean there's 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:02.400 us open TC here that I don't think. I think 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.960 they only use every ten years here, So it's not 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.320 as long. I mean, the ball isn't rolling on the fairways, 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.400 so it maybe plays in some ways. It might play longer, 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.880 but it plays so wide because the fairways are really 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.360 wide here, normally like fifty sixty yards wide. I mean 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.480 it's a public course. They play sixty thousand rounds a year. 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.240 They want to get everyone around as fast as they can, 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.280 so the fairways are really wide, and the greens are 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.280 very soft, and the pins are right in the middle 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:27.960 of the prime because we've got ams out there and 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:29.600 they want to they don't have the tough pins, they 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.760 have the easy pins. So it's not it it's it's 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:36.680 the same shots that you're being asked to hit because 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.480 the tough shot. The tough thing about people, I think 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.320 is that the balls I wasn't You're always on a 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.120 side slope the whole property like slopes towards the ocean, 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.400 and you play one the balls below your feet. You know, 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.200 you play two the balls below your feet, you play 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.480 like three, four, five, not so much. Six the balls 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.640 below your feet down slope. Eight the balls arguably on 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.240 a downslope sometimes nine the balls really below your feet. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:57.839 Ten the balls really below your feet, you know, And 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.280 then you turn back around to come the other way, 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.040 and the balls above your feet for the rest of 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.760 the way. And it's so that stuff is the same 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.400 when it's in the pro am. So the part of 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.600 the trickiness of pebble is still there. But when the 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.160 ball lands, it stops in the pro am, and the 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.360 us over with the ball lands it doesn't stop, and 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.080 that's why it gets so much harder. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.920 Yeah. The other thing I think that's neat I tucked 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:25.760 with Garrett, one of my who's our editor about it 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.880 is that all the greens, it's kind of got that 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.920 a little bit of a gusta thing that you talked 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.760 a lot about where the greens orient the opposite way 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:37.040 of the slopes and all the holes, and you know, 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.920 it's different in the way Augusta is so varied, But 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.839 like pebble's kind of like you get through one stretch, 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.000 then you go to the other stretch where you're gonna 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.040 be like the opposite. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.520 Yeah, the holes along the on the way out. I 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.679 suppose the holes like nine and ten. It's very obvious 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:53.800 that you need to hit a draw into those greens, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.800 but the ball is so far below your feet and 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.640 the ocean's out to the right. It's a pretty scary 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.760 proposition to try to hit a draw, so it confuses 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.640 you slope a lot. It's pretty untalked about. I think 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:07.120 at Pebble and the US Open, it's just accentuated because 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.319 it's firmer, so the fairways get pink narrowed way down 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.000 to I mean, they're wider than some US Opens, I 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.760 would say here. I don't know if they've come out 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:16.960 with any numbers, but they're probably thirty yards wide at Pebble. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:21.040 Maybe because of this, they play fifteen yards wide though, 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.199 because the ball goes sideways when it lands a lot 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:27.720 of holes. So it's just a great place to play golf, 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.760 you know, it's it asks. There's some scary shots you're 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.160 asked to hit, you know, like those Augusta style shots 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.760 over fifteen and like kind of hero shots here. They're 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.960 not quite as I guess famous, but I mean the 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.280 second jounter eight is a scary shot. The shot up 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.160 the hill at six is a really scary shot. You know, 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.280 it's a different style of thing of going over water, 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.720 but you're hitting it up just a cliff. You know. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.960 Eight's an incredibly tough shot. The second shot to nine, 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:56.600 and the second shot to ten, and the t shot 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.800 on ten. I mean, they're outrageously difficult shots and like 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:04.400 you really really just have to kind of sack up 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:05.560 and hit it, you know what I mean, You just 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.280 have to. Like, it's just there's no there's no way 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.280 of hitting a shot under the ninth or tenth graded 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.440 people if you're not just super confident put a proper 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:13.920 swing on it, because it's just not gonna happen. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.000 Do you think there's more intimidation because it's like a 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.040 cliff than a normal water hazard. 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.240 Yeah, I would think. I mean, it's so big the ocean, right, 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.319 it's so beautiful and all you're looking at it all day, 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:29.280 so it's got your attention. And I think the psychologists 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.360 will tell us the ball goes where our attention is, right, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.320 and it's your attention. How do you not look at 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.199 Carmel Bay when you're playing nine to ten? Right, it's 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:39.800 the prettiest thing in the world. It's clearly more difficult 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:41.840 being the ocean and the cliff than it would be 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.480 just a pond or a lake or something. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.760 It's really amazing, Like when you when you get up 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:52.040 sex and then you see everything. It's like, no matter 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.360 how many times you see it, it's still just amazing. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.400 It's ridiculous. It's the mean. It's the best revealing golf 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.360 is walking off the fourth tier pebble. Yeah, they play 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:01.760 the first three holes you like, and you can kind 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.280 of get a glimpse of what's going to go on 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:07.160 on the third, but then you've kind of play the 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.440 fourth T and it's you walk about one hundred yards 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.440 and all of a sudden you go past the beach 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.560 club and you just come out to this and for 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.480 the next two hours you're just on the cliff looking 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.880 at the Pacific Ocean. It's outrageous, But that we walk 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:20.480 off that fourth T is one of the best moments 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:20.960 in golf. 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.280 I think that's a coolhule too. I think that's that. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.559 Yeah, that's sweet. I mean it feels over bunket these days, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.720 but that's a great little hole, what a great little green. 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.760 I'd like to see him, go put it up one day, 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:35.679 make it too eighty. 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.560 Yeah, because going for it's not to play even if 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.640 you can get there, I don't think so if you 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:40.839 give it a too eighty, they're not going to be 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.160 able to help themselves, these guys. Yeah, and you can 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.160 see five sold all day because they'll all miss the 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:46.719 green left and no one will hit it up. Pitch 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:51.719 it on the green and yeah it'll be Yeah. That's 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.839 a that's a cool hole. That's a great hole. I mean, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:58.000 I mean, Pebble's got good holes, like people probably kind 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.959 of there's some Cypress points not around, you know who 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.320 don't think Pebble's worthy of the same breath. But it's 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:06.760 got a lot of really cool stuff about it. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:12.600 I think it's I think it's completely different style course 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:19.360 than Cypress, where where Pebbles like a a journey against 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:23.960 like the wilderness, you know, and like you know, like 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:24.840 it's a big. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:27.440 Big course and. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.120 It's much more like a it's like browny and where 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:40.239 like Cypress is like kind of like it's like a romantic. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:46.200 Cypress is like a romantic place to play off and 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.520 then you go to Pebble reminds me a lot of 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.640 Yale which is like, you know the place where you're 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.319 going and it's like an adventure, you know, like in 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.280 nothing more to me than the sixth hole where you're 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.240 like climbing up and it's like you're you're hitting it 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.920 up a mountain. You can imagine doing that in nineteen 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:06.880 twenty nine. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.240 It's pretty brave. I mean that routing like six, seven, 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.640 eight is incredibly It's an amazingly brave thing to do. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.199 And that long ago, with the equipment that they had 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:16.679 to go up that hill, no one would go up 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.120 six anymore. You'd play down at the bottom of the 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.520 hill and you'd walk up and play another hole or something. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.120 You know, you wouldn't No one would do that now. 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.360 And seven's pretty audacious. Put a little hundred yard hole 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.040 right there on the thing, I mean, what a wile too, Yeah, 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.680 I mean it's what a spot there like that that 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.400 section of course six through ten Green is that's a 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.400 pretty stretch, but it's a pretty good stretch of golf. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.600 Yeah, and then every bay sleeps on the uphill holes, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:42.520 but they're pretty cool. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:47.320 I like them too. It's different. It's there. I mean, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.040 eleven is a pretty easy hole really in the US Open, 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:52.480 Old thing. I mean, you can get it wrong because 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.440 the green's is really small. But twelve is one of 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.200 the hardest greens to hit in the world on a 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.360 path three for green, it really isn't very slopy. It's 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.000 actually one of the flatter ones of pebble. And it's 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.960 that's a nightmare hole next one you can get wrong. 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.560 It seems so simple, but that green is savage. And fourteen, 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.760 that green is you can make any number you want. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.360 You could be one hundred and ten for two from 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.560 the green and you could you could make anything there. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.720 Fourteen it's better than it was when they fixed it, 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.040 but it's still great. It's so small. You try to 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.600 hit it onto a table top from one hundred and 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:22.840 ten and from one hundred and ten it plays one 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.440 hundred and thirty up the hill. And if you miss 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.600 at a yard left, it's really bad. If you miss 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.240 a yard right, it can used to come all the 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.280 way back off the green behind the front bunker. Crazy. 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:36.960 I saw a stat and twenty ten. If you miss 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:41.880 the fairway on fourteen, only thirty four percent of players 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:43.120 hit the green in rag. 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.280 That'd be right, because it's I mean, I don't know 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:46.960 what it measures. Five point fifty or something. It's quite 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.840 a long hole, but it effectively plays about one hundred 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.280 yards longer than it is because third the second shot 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:56.720 is up. I mean, I don't have the centig grade 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.480 it's up, but it's up pretty steep for a really 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.640 long way way up in the air. 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:02.600 That left ruff is an awful place. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.560 I feel like, yeah, they're rough anywhere in the US Open, 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.000 and it feels people's obviously a fertile place, like grows 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:09.880 pretty good rough here. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.560 So we talked, we talked about it was kind of fitting. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.440 We talked about Brooks the last last time we talked 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.200 before the PGA and how like historically great like he 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.840 is on the back nines and closing out stuff and 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:26.840 then sure enough, like he goes out and wins. You 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.640 kind of called it. You're like, it's going to be 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:29.480 a high ball hitter. 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:30.240 Yeah. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.600 So you know with Brooks, like what do you what 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.280 do you think about in terms of how do you 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:42.000 measure winning major championships versus PGA Tour event, Like you 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.800 know the balance of winning a lot or winning the 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.200 really big ones a lot? 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.960 Well, I mean, Brooks, you obviously want to win the 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:55.160 majors of the pinnacle of the sport, and only the 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.880 great players seem to win them more than once or twice, 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.280 you know, I mean, it's only the truly greats to 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:04.720 win multiples. I still think there's something impressive about the 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.160 guys who play well every week, they play and win 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.880 piles of tournaments forever, like they five six seven wins 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.600 a year for fifteen twenty years. I think it would 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.639 be fun to see him win some more regular events. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.399 Not that would make him any better or worse and whatever. 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:23.040 I just think it's those truly truly like forever greats, 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:24.760 you know, the samson Needs and the Hogans and the 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:29.160 Nelson's and the Nicholas's and the Tigers, and they've won 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.760 every size of event and they win everywhere they go. 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.240 You know, I think that's really impressive. Nothing against Brooks 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.600 at all. And it's ridiculous what he's doing. I mean, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.720 he could maybe he wins them all late, you know, 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.000 maybe he just starts winning. It's baffling to me how 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.159 he can look that good in like in the Majors, 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:47.720 I mean, or he was only one shot away at 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:52.320 the Masters too in the end, you know, like you 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:53.800 can look that good in the big tournaments and in 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:55.520 the regular tournament it's almost like it's not a big 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.240 enough occasion for him or something, you know, or he's 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.520 working on his game, or he's tuning up for the majors. 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.280 I don't know, but it's different. It's different how he 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:03.719 plays in majors to norms. 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.119 It's I don't know, there we had, Like you know, 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.000 there are some basketball players like Robert Ory who'd always 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.760 hit big shots, like you know, but like he wasn't 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:14.640 like an all time great, you know, he just would 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.760 hit big shots. But like you know, Robber Ory, you 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.840 can't compare like a guy going out and winning four 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:25.120 majors and you know, nine nine attempts to Robber Ory. 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.720 But like with Brooks, it's it's fat. It's so they 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.000 the super Book, it was like, I think it's the 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.080 longest bet they've ever like time wise, they've ever put out. 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:38.000 And they put out Brooks seven and a half wins 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.520 or seven and a half majors. 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.919 Seven and a half. What's the one that five. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.480 Four four and it expires when he turns fifty. 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.320 Wow, you probably take the over at this point. You know, 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.840 he's won four in two years, But I mean, who 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:57.600 knows I mean you just don't know, right, how often 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.199 do you see a guy have a run like this? 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:01.960 And I mean two years ago you would have said 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.000 Jordan's going to win fifteen, right, and the two years later, 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:06.719 I'm not saying he's not going to win fifteen, but 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.320 no one's saying that anymore. Right. It's hard to Rory too. Yeah, 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.920 time changes things, It's weird. I mean you would have 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:14.280 thought it only might have won a few more than 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.840 he did, you know, And then Tiger came along. You 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:18.399 would have thought Phil would have won them earlier, or 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.560 Westwood would have won something. It's a or sergeriy I 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.159 wouldn't have taken so long, you know, or Adam Scott 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.000 or Justin Rose. You know, so the hard ones to 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.800 win and you can. And who knows if there is 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.560 a kid who's twenty one right now who's already better 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:34.760 than Brooks, you know, or he just needs a couple 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:36.440 of years under his belt like Brooks had, and then 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.159 he goes and wins more and it gets harder and 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:39.160 harder for every generation. 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:44.240 That's the interesting thing with Brooks too, is like he's 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:49.199 twenty nine, Like it wasn't I guess, like Rory, we 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.760 had this flurry when he was really young, and it's 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.399 almost like he struggled. I wonder if like having it 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.159 come a little bit later while still being young was 0:19:58.200 --> 0:19:59.960 almost like it is almost a blessing for. 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.520 I think Brooks is the roadmap he's taken to get 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:08.639 here is interesting, and I think more like junior golfer 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.960 zoo have aspirations or who are going to potentially be 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:12.840 that good should look at it. Going to Europe first 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.040 and playing like the challenge to like the smallest her 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:19.359 in Europe just to get on the European terny. He 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.520 played in Europe for three or four years just because 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:25.000 I mean to learn how to play everywhere around the world. 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.040 So he just came back a more complete golfer. And 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.399 the guys who went majors are complete players. You know. 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:30.879 You have to have every shot, and you have to 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:32.320 be good at every aspect, and you have to be 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.439 good at the travel and learning a new course fast 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.880 and dealing with adversity. And that's what happened when you 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.600 play your first four or five years somewhere else, especially Europe, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.320 because you get to a different country every week and 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:47.520 there's different currencies and languages and foods. And maybe not 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:51.800 the same conditioning you used to in America maybe, And 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:53.679 he just I think he just became such a more 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:55.919 well rounded player. So I just think the roadmap he 0:20:56.000 --> 0:21:00.720 took to get here prepared him better than anyone else's path. 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.879 You know, is that do you think you because you 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.479 went and played Europe right after you turn pro for 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.720 a while, Like, is that the hardest part about like 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.239 early in your career, is like being a professional on 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:14.600 the road? 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.840 Like it's yeah, I mean I was so enthusiastic at 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:19.880 that point. I didn't find it hard. I just found 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:21.679 it exciting. Right, I'm just traveling around the world. Who 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:23.200 doesn't travel want and travel around the world when they're 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:25.479 twenty one twenty two. Everybody kind of wants to write. 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:27.760 And I was getting paid to do it, so it 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.439 was I thought it was exciting. And I didn't do 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:31.840 it as long as Brooks. Brooks was there for a 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.200 long time, four or five years, I think. And you're 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:37.320 really total And Peter Euline did the same thing. They 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:38.800 were kind of doing it at the same sort of time. 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.120 And Peter's become a pretty well rounded good player too. 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.760 You know, It's not that it's not great here but 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:47.159 playing the PGA, trying to get on the PGI to 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.439 a straight away would be like trying to like get 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.160 a hit from a major league pitcher from little league. 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.560 You know, like it's not that big a jump, but 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.440 it's a pretty big jump and you can get beaten 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.280 over the head pretty quick. Saying it's not tough in Europe, 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.360 but it's probably a little bit easier. There's a lot 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.280 more toilets to choose from, and again, you get a 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.359 different environment and you've maybe got fields you gradually can 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:10.840 beat up on just a little bit quicker than you 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:12.280 could beat up on the ones over here, and you 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:17.480 just build confidence and skill, and yeah, it's pretty It's 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.840 it's an interesting way he took because it's tight. It 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:22.479 would be tough for an American kid to do that. 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.479 It's easy for an austrain kid to go to Europe first, right, 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:26.600 because you have to go somewhere first, you do the 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:30.040 stepping stone thing. It makes sense. But to leave your 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:31.800 home country when you're a kid and go do that, 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:32.600 it's pretty brave. 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.359 Yeah it is. Well, wasn't like he was a schmuck either. 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:38.560 He was you know, like American, yeah, golfer. 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.440 He could have tried the route that most people tried, 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.439 but was he either got really good advice or was 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:49.320 just had a kind of it's a bit of wisdom 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:50.960 at the time and thought, you know, this is the 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.600 path for me, and it wow, I mean, look at it. 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:57.160 He's he's the most rounded complete golfer we've almost ever seen, 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:58.480 really the way he's playing at the moment. 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.040 The Q School also now still you can still go 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.120 a Q school and be on the European Tour. 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:04.760 Yeah, they're still going to real Quy school. 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:08.359 Yeah, which is I think there's something cool about it, 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:08.919 but I think. 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:10.960 We can still I think we should still have one too. 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:14.879 But even if it wasn't twenty five cards, I just 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:18.000 there was something really cool about, you know, zero to 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:22.120 PGA Tour in one week, you know something about it. 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:24.080 It led to some guys that flamed out quick. 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:27.560 But yeah, yeah, but I mean really through history of 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.840 at least through my era, of who I grew up 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.680 with and who made it and who didn't, I can't 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:35.720 think of many who should have made it who didn't 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.040 know And then there's no shoot ups and you can't 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:42.639 make predictions like that. But by the time everyone was thirty, 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:44.239 the ones who you thought were going to make it. 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:45.880 They all kind of found their way out there. Maybe 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:47.439 took them a couple more years than they wanted. But 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:49.199 usually the ones who are supposed to get out there 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:51.040 get out there. I mean some of like Jordan, for example, 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.639 he missed it second stage and then six months later 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:55.520 it was like number one in the world or something like. 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:58.960 It was just it was inevitable that he was going 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.160 to get on to it right. Second stage didn't matter. 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:04.359 He just found a different way to get on. But 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:05.480 you school was a good. 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:10.800 Thing usually, you know, you know, like certain guys like 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.920 what are what are the things that like, you know, 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.320 a guy is going to make it versus a guy 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:20.040 that like me, they have comparable amateur but like you know, 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:24.480 one guy is sure fire and one gay is maybe do. 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.919 You think this? I mean, these are intangibles, right, but 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:28.879 you just I don't know the guy who makes that 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:30.399 great up and down to stay one in front of 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.919 the seventeenth hole somewhere, or like just they do that 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:34.959 key stuff. I mean, there's plenty of goes to hit 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.560 it well and part well and that it's part of 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:39.920 that too. Like some guys just make golf look easy, right, 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:42.520 just easier than ever it looks for everyone else. You know, 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:44.680 Adam Scott at fourteen looked like he was gonna be 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:46.040 number on in the world. It just looked like it. 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.520 You know, he just it was easier for him. But 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.120 there's other guys you just see it in their eyes 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.480 at the right moment. So you know, they finish off 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:56.240 tournaments really well, or they compete really on the harder courses, 0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:59.600 maybe better than the other courses. They handle situation like 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:03.920 situations that not everyone handles well, intangible sort of stuff, 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:07.160 but you can tell when you see someone who there's 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.280 no again, there's no guarantees, but you can usually tell 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:10.919 the ones who have got a little bit more something 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:14.040 than the others. It was the game that he was 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:15.440 at least I can in golf. 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:19.199 Most surprised that didn't get to where he say, you 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.680 may we might have an injury to In. 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:25.600 My era, Joel Kraibell was an incredible player. He was 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:30.440 kind of second ranked amateur around after Tiger. Right attack 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:34.680 right Stanford went at the same time as Tiger lost 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:36.159 to him in the semi finals. I think of his 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:39.560 last us M, he looked the real deal. He was 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.320 really special and me he won the Western End that 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.440 I went to, like no one even got close to him, 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:48.200 like it was. This guy's pretty amazing. I can't think 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.520 of many others though. He got injured when he when 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.440 he was turning and got back injury and never really 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.879 kind of made it back, so it didn't kind of 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.320 work out for him. But I'm sure there's been a few. 0:25:57.680 --> 0:25:59.439 I mean, there's always a few that slipped through the cracks, right. 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.520 They get hurt at the wrong time. I mean Patrick Cantley, 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:04.320 he's kicking goals now, but he kind of got set 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:05.600 back a little bit with a bad back at the 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.359 wrong time. You know, you don't have a bad week. 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.359 I mean Jordan, as I said, speak missed second stage. 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.240 Accu's cool. He nearly had to have a year up 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:17.160 right when he was turning pro. So it's a tough 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:17.960 deal to get onto her. 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.120 Yeah, they And now with this new schedule, it makes 0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:24.160 it like even more interesting how you would go about 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:25.240 it as a college kid. 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:29.439 Like, you know, like there'd be two there's two real roots. 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.160 You can do the Latin America Canada to a thing 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:34.360 to try to get top five on them, to get 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:35.960 on the web, and then the web you can try 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.520 to get up or do you go to Europe and 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:40.119 really back yourself and say I'm going to go to 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.040 Europe or Asia and try to get top fifty in 0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:43.880 the world and start getting invites and go that way. 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:49.680 It's almost there's no easier way. I mean, each model 0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:54.119 would work for different people, but you might become a 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.399 more rounded player if you went the Europe route, you 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:57.800 know what I mean. You mean you might never get 0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:59.240 to top fifty in the world. I mean, that's quite 0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:00.680 hard to get to the top the world, and you 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:04.960 might even not get on the European Tour. But that's 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:06.679 really the only two methods is come up off the 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.719 WAB or come through top fifty in the world. You know. 0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.840 So yeah that like Kitty Yama guy, uh, Kurt Kittyama 0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:18.200 had no status and he got he went through European Tour. 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.280 Q School American guy. He's won three times this. 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.000 Year in Europe. Well there you go. So he's on 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.080 his wife, right, his ranking must be getting up there exactly. 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.800 It's like it's unbelievable, you know, he went through, but 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:32.119 like think about how much his life changed. He probably was, 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.359 you know, pondering what am I doing? What am I 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:39.200 gonna do right two now he's won three times. Yeah, 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.199 it's crazy on the second BIX Tour in the in 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:41.520 the world. 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:43.199 Yeah, and in Europe. I mean you can see. I 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:44.680 mean the Righter Cup proves it. I mean those guys 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:47.080 can go like they can really play. 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.399 Do you think there what's the difference in the style 0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.560 of play between the two tours, Like, is there a 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:56.240 noticeable difference between setup or golf courses or is it 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.600 just the diversity of where you are? 0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:01.480 Yeah, well the golf courses, I mean, America's had a 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.400 pretty big influence at least on competitive golf around the world. 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:08.639 The places that you play a similar style than you 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.600 play on the PHA to it mostly but you do again, 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:13.680 you're going to some pretty crazy places. So grass is 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:19.399 different everywhere, mostly newer courses because they're the ones who 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.000 have the money, the promoter, the owners and the promoters 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:25.720 to kind of show off their golf course. That's kind 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:30.000 of half the reason golf tournaments are on. Sometimes you're 0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:33.520 just go to so many different places, probably and the 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.720 conditioning is probably a little bit more inconsistent. You can 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.040 you still have some you don't get bad green weeks 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.240 on the PHA two very often, or bad fairways or 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.200 weird way they might create some but it's generally pretty perfect. 0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:46.280 Every week you're less so right because you're going to 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.000 some non golf countries and you're going to Germany. I mean, 0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:50.840 they've had some good golfers, but they don't really have 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.880 many golfers there, so they don't really have to spend 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:55.880 the money on their golf courses. And you get a 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.080 Russia or they don't know, are got any golf courses, 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:02.280 and so in Turkey they're playing in Turkey now, Saudi 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.680 Arabia now like Dubai Kenya, they play everywhere. Right, So 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:13.080 you're and travel always makes I don't know, adds a 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.640 bit of wisdom to people or like roundedness or common 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.720 sense or something right, because you just see every different 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.480 sort of condition and every sort of different level of 0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.280 frustration that you just get better at dealing with stuff. 0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:25.920 And I think that aspect is the most important thing 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:27.800 about that tour. I mean, you probably get it to 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.000 their Latin America tour as well, and you're going to 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.120 play Canada and driving around in a car like some 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:33.640 of those guys do or something, and that would be 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:38.480 like really great too, I think. But zero college to 0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:40.200 the PGA tours. I mean, I know they're trying to 0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:42.920 kind of create a faster route from college to PGA Tour, 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.880 but that's that's a road that's not many guys are 0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.240 ready for. That's a fast that's a fast track. I 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.720 wouldn't have been close to ready. Yeah. 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:54.800 Yeah. So getting back to the US Open, so we 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:58.120 saw backpage like you can't he predicted a little bit 0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:00.760 it was gonna be a high ball hitter if we saw. 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.960 DJ DJ and Brooks one of the two picks. Yeah. 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.960 And then and then Rory, who had a dismal first 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.400 twenty seven holes, managed you know, last forty five years 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:12.680 better than everybody, you know, worked his way up to 0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:16.480 t T eighth. So you know, with that, that golf 0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:19.440 course like clearly set up for that type of player. Like, 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.120 if you wanted to create, you know, set up a 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.840 golf course for where any style player in the field 0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:27.480 could win, how would you set it up? 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:31.400 Well, you do, Pebble would be pretty close this week, 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:35.000 everyone's got a chance. I think it's it's not long. 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:38.479 It's long for a normal golf course sakes, but it's 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.600 not long for you. It's open, and it doesn't see 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:45.040 Beth Page is long, but it plays way longer because 0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:46.960 you go up to all the greens and it's all carried. 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:48.720 You can't run it on any of the greens pebble. 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:50.880 You could probably play it along the ground almost some 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:55.760 of it, so it'll certainly suit. I mean, a longer 0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:59.720 hitter always has an advantage, but it's nullified here a 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.880 little bit. They have the advantage of being able to 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.320 hit less club onto the fairways. That's always going to 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:06.960 be an advantage of three wood instead of driver and 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:12.960 stuff like that. But it's such an experience strategic kind 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:16.960 of test. It's more about that kind of that kind 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:19.480 of canny golf skill, you know, missing it around the 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.560 greens in the right place and having all the little 0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:26.719 kind of shots around the greens and being absolutely impeccable 0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:29.520 from inside ten feet because you just can't have short 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:32.040 power parts of pebble. It's really difficult. They're so slopey, 0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:38.880 and this West Coast grass this power when it gets firm, 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.280 like when the usg get it firm, which Thursday is 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.800 not going to be like that by Sunday. Well, they 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:48.000 get very difficult to get your speed right on such slopes. 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:49.720 So you're going to have three four five footers for 0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.640 power all day. So the real magic skill is a 0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:54.720 great part of a great short putter, I would think, 0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.920 and I think in two thousand tigers, one hundred percent 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:00.120 from inside ten feet or something. 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:01.880 Ridiculous stuff might have been that whole year. 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:07.920 Mcdowe's an incredible short putter. He's he talked about last 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:09.520 time the green's kind of got a bit ropy in 0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:12.240 the afternoons last time in twenty ten, and he couldn't 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.200 understand whatever I was talking about. He thought the greens 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.400 were rolling perfect. So you know, when you're putting well, 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:17.960 you're putting well. So I mean it could be a 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:22.400 speech week, you know, it plays into him. If he 0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:25.400 was playing at his best, this would be like right 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.040 down Jordan's street. I would have. 0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:29.480 Thought, Yeah, I always play as well at Pabo too, 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:33.520 and the at and t. It's got a lot of 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:37.760 similarities with Augusta in the way of like the skills, 0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:38.320 a lot. 0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.920 Of fast greens, really tricky around the greens and fast 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:45.120 and side slopes. You're hitting off side slopes, which is yeah, 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.720 so shape becomes really important, right because the shape is 0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.080 getting dictated to you by the slope. But you kind 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:52.840 of sometimes want to have the other shape. So it's 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:57.000 real skill that can do that, real form, I should say. 0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:58.440 I mean everyone could do it out here, it's just 0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.640 it's guy's in form that'll do that. 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:07.560 What do you think about? So with Open you win, 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:13.680 you go to sixty Masters lifetime, PGA pretty much lifetime, 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:16.280 and then US Open ten years. 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:20.680 It's perfect because there's no other tournament like the US Open. 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:24.440 The Masters has proven that you can compete with wisdom 0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:27.600 and experience to your sixties, right, I mean plenty of 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:29.280 guys have shown it over the years. I mean Jack 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.920 nearly wanted at fifty eight, Freddy's been in contention for 0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.360 the last twenty years. Watson had a bit of a 0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:39.120 run at some point. Like you can play Augusta. For 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.160 what you lose in distance, you continue to gain an experience. 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.120 So it's just you're not making up the numbers when 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:46.960 you're fifty five at the Masters, of you're Fred couples, 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:52.200 you're actually a real threat for the tournament. The Open 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.760 is probably similar. I mean they're getting longer the Opens. 0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:58.080 But again we saw Tom when he was sixty right 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.600 nearly when it when he was sixties, So like it's 0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:04.000 that's doable too. The PGA probably not so much, but 0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:05.920 that's just the way they do it. But the US Open, 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.080 I mean, ten years out of winning, you could really 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:11.759 be in different form. You know, it's a long time 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:13.560 and the US Open is the ultimate test, and if 0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:18.600 you are not playing really, really well, you're going to 0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:22.120 go for a lot and it would kind of well, 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:26.040 it would be embarrassing, and it's just it's just not 0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.200 fair on the guy. It's almost fairer to say, look, 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.080 you know, if you still exempt, that's great because you're 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.279 still playing well. But if you've not done well for 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:35.239 the last ten years, we're going to look after you 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:36.280 and not make you do it. 0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:38.920 I get in. It would make it less open. 0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.880 Yeah, it would make it less open too, So that 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:45.640 makes more sense to because it is nice that it's 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.279 effectively one hundred percent of qualifying field. Really. I mean, 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:52.160 the PGA, the top fifty in the world guys they've 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.759 kind of qualified because they've qualified through their last two 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:59.520 years of play, right, and the rest of the field 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:01.360 is qualified. And it's truly what seventy or eighty or 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:03.440 ninety qualifying spots I think in this field, and that's 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:04.120 really good. 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:11.840 Is Sectional qualifying like the least covered event and professional golf. 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:16.640 Oh, I don't know, maybe it's a pretty they're interesting days. 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:20.640 I mean, nobody likes them. Not two guys don't like them. 0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:22.719 I mean, I'm sure, like if the US Open is 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.320 your thing, and you're you're an AM and you're a 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:25.880 club golfer and you have a normal job, and you 0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:27.520 play really well enough for getting the sectional, it's the 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.200 biggest day of the year, right, it's a really good thing. 0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.239 But for two guys who have just come off like 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:32.839 four tournaments in a row, to go out and play 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:37.480 thirty six holes around one course on a Monday is 0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.160 not everyone's favorite. And there's a lot of attrition, Like 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.080 on the second round. There's nobody there in the second 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:44.000 round because anyone who shoots over parms for sure, it 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:49.200 just goes home. But there's some cool stuff there they 0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:51.600 could get. They could make some good TV there because 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:55.080 there's a little drama, Like especially you've always got that 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.080 young AM kid who's like right on the line and 0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:58.799 he's waiting at the eight eighth green, and you get 0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.319 the grizzled old who's the only one who can knock 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:03.600 him off his spot. Shoots sixty six in his second round, 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:05.359 and then the lookle kid gets sad or the little 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.279 kid makes it, and there's a playoff with seven guys 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.960 for two spots, and everyone watches and there's some fun 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.160 stuff that happens, and it's kind of a throwback. It 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.520 feels like I'm going to golf a little bit. A 0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:18.600 lot of guys are carrying their bags, or the local club, 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.319 the members all come out to watch, and there's like 0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.400 the leaderboard with the someone's just filling in all the 0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:26.560 boxes with the sharpies and stuff, or like the chisel 0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:28.680 point doing all the nice graphics and stuff. It's like 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:31.759 it's just it's a bit of a throwback. Playing thirty 0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:33.279 six in a day. I love flaying thirty six in 0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:36.360 a day. I wish we did that more. I just 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:38.759 think the day you can find yourself. You can get 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:40.839 such you can get into such sweet patches of form 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:42.319 when you have that long to kind of find your 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.600 swing for the day. And playing a course twice in 0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:47.480 a day. I always liked the second lap because you 0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.319 learn all this stuff on the first lap. I don't 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:51.680 know they're good things. It'd be a good you could 0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:53.200 what you can make some pretty good TV out of 0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:54.960 it if they condensed it. I mean it's a long day, 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.080 but you'd condense and make some little package out of 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:57.680 it to be fun. 0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:02.800 Yeah, thirty six is such a it's like a I 0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:06.839 always think after the thirty six holidays, like you get 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:10.480 in your car and you're driving somewhere and it's like 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.759 you've been like in a completely different world. It's like 0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:17.520 you like escape reality. But then I always think that 0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:20.520 the back nine and the first nine or of the 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.280 second round, the back nine of the first round, first 0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:25.640 time in the second round, it's like that if you're 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:28.480 playing good, like those eighteen holes that are like gonna 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:31.360 be about best eighteen also goth, you could passibly play. 0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:33.600 Yeah, I just like I always loved it. I just 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:35.800 I missed thirty six in a day. I mean I 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:37.799 would have trouble walking around it at the moment. But 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:41.799 and Amatons, we used to play thirty six, thirty six, 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.760 we do Saturday Sunday thirty six thirty six. We wouldn't 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:46.320 think of it and then do it the next weekend. 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:52.080 But those qualifiers are they're fun. They're fun because like 0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:58.480 it is all manner of different like levels of intensity 0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:02.239 and attitude on gus, you have to go really low, 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:03.640 you have to play really well. The first one I 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.080 first started playing them, I was really surprised at Like 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:08.480 you see the scores and you're like, well, that course 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:09.880 must have been easy. But then you go there and 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:11.520 you shoot two sixty eighth and you're right under and 0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:13.360 you missed by two. It's like, wow, this is like 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.560 it's the next level. The level is really high. 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.680 I think there's something too, like the with the qualifiers, 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.600 where there's this like I guess and if you covered 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.040 it would lose this A litt all is like where 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:27.880 there's like this added shread of like doubt and you 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.960 don't know what's going on, like where like you don't 0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:32.919 and that's like one of the toughest things to deal 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.839 with when you're playing is like you're thinking about the number, yeah, 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.680 but you have no clue. Nobody knows even you know 0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:40.719 you're out there and you're like, nobody knows, but you 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.200 know you think it's good enough. Eventually you just I 0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:43.600 don't know. 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:45.560 You kind of get an idea, I guess, but you 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.120 really don't because it's always lower than you think. You know, 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.160 you think a six under will make it this course, 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:52.160 like when you're nine holes in or something and then 0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:55.480 it ends up being eleven, right, It's like, well, sometimes 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:57.359 it's the other way obviously if you're playing really well. 0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:00.680 But that's that's the best. That's the thing you miss 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:03.640 in pro golf when you, like you were amateur golf 0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.560 that walked from eighteen, that really fast walked from putting 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:08.080 your card in to go see the board to see 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:09.560 if you did any good or not because you didn't 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.480 know what anyone had. So to walk over and see 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.440 the guy filling in all the boxes with the sharpig, 0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:14.960 and I think that's just a good moment in golf. 0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.000 It's like the the leaderboards getting flipped up at the Masters. 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:19.759 You know, there's a bit of suspense. 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:22.560 You know, and then you're sitting waiting for everybody to 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:24.080 come in that's the worst. 0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:25.839 And you're going through the things. He had sixty eight 0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:27.120 in the first round so he could do it, and 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:28.600 you pick out the three or four guys who were 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.479 coming that could actually knock you out. It's like, it's 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.400 just it's just a fun I just really like that scene. 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:36.319 It's just a good scene. And the whole qualify that's 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.160 what it is is fifty guys standing around the border 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.520 at the end wondering what's going to happen and talking 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:42.359 about all their stories from the golf day and how 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:44.360 unlucky they got. Yeah, it's fun. 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:48.520 It's yeah, I could talk about that. I mean, that's 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.359 this is a whole rabbit hole yourself and week we're 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:58.120 talking about qualifier. So with your US Open experience, let's 0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:00.960 take the wing foot out of it, Like, what was 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.640 the what was the next best US Opening was it? 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:06.280 Was it all pain and suffering in the US Opening? 0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:07.920 Or it was all suffering? 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.120 Was your next favorite? You know kind of experience with her? 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:15.239 Tory was my next favorite. I played second last group 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:16.360 on Sunday with Rocco. 0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:17.959 Oh my god. 0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:20.720 Yeah, so I was in a pretty good spot. Tiger 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.160 and Westwood were in the last group. We were in 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:23.799 the second last group, and I played pretty well. I 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:25.600 think I was like, I don't know if I was 0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:27.400 ever in the lead, but I might have been title 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:31.680 one back going up nine and I plugged one in 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:34.560 part five nine at toris like seven thousand hours long, 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:36.839 and I plugged in the fairway bunker and then later 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:38.520 it and like got it out and then went for 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:40.680 the green and plugged it with my third shot in 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:42.160 the bunk. I had two plugs in one hole or 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:46.360 something made buggy and never really Friday Glass again Friday 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:51.839 egsperts and then ended up eighth or seventh or eighth 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:53.560 or something like that. But I just I had the 0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:56.719 Rocco show. So Roco played great all day, Tiger and 0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:58.960 Westwood behind us, so that San Diego and that he 0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:01.560 was at the peak of his powers. Tiger with the 0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:03.560 knee thing, and like they were just and it was 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:05.879 his town and they're going nuts and Roco. Everybody loves 0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:10.400 Rocco and it was really really fun. And Rocco finishes 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:14.680 eighteen and Tiger's won back now right, Yeah, He's laid 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:16.600 it out in the rough, and we were standing around. 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.000 I had the little gaggle of people and Rocco had 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:22.520 the big gaggle of reporters around him while Tiger makes 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.319 that big part and the noise was just outrageous. I mean, 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.000 it was pretty special. But I really enjoyed that open 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:30.120 again West Coast. We stayed in like delmar I looked 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.720 at the ocean every day and like seventy degrees and Tory. 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.680 It was the one time I really enjoyed playing Tory 0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:40.600 like it was firm and the greens were decent. It's 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:42.480 so tough in the tournament in January that it's just 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.319 it beats you around the head because it plays so long, 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:46.960 because it's cold and soft, and it was I had 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.040 a great time. That was my second favorite, easily my 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:49.880 second favorite. 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:55.279 I was reading about oh Sex and I saw like 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.680 one of the quotes that stuck out was like how 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:02.400 good Porter was to play with, like in the final round, 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:06.440 Like what do you do? You think there's something about 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:08.600 like when you're coming down the stretch, like you're playing 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.560 partner and situations like that. 0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:15.000 Oh yeah, I mean I knew Paulton really well by 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:18.279 that point. I mean socially, we hung out and we 0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:21.080 played in Europe together a fair bit, so I knew 0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:22.839 him really well, and we're kind of similar age, and 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:26.279 so it was just I think being with one of 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:30.600 your boys helps, you know, or maybe it can hurt 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:32.640 in some situations, But for me it was great because 0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:36.879 he was his energy was well, if he wasn't gonna 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:38.479 win it, then he wanted me to win it, right, 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:40.400 so you can then that's kind there's something about that, 0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.520 you know, if a guy can be obstreperous out there 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:48.040 and act a bit like a right whatever. He's not 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:49.759 that into you winning that It's different. I don't know. 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.319 It just did good energy and he was It was 0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:54.759 just fun to be with one of your mates when 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:56.359 you win the tournament and the scorers. Thatt with him 0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:59.040 was the best because we kind of watched the film 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:00.759 show unfold a little bit on the TV and the 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:05.360 scorer's hut, and he was just you could look in 0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:07.879 his eye when Phil ends up hitting his second shot, 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:09.560 hits the tree, it drops and starts looking for me, 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:11.799 looking pold. His eye was like he had this little 0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:13.759 glimmer in his eye, like this is going to work 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:15.799 out pretty well. He was just genuinely happy for me, 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:17.799 and it was nice to be with someone like, you 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:19.560 know who's just because I would have been happy for 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:20.839 him to win. It would have been great. I don't 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:22.680 know I would have been as genuinely happy as he seemed. 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:26.319 He was just really pumped that his playing partner and 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.200 his friend is about to win this tournament. It was 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.799 just a nice group. You know. He wire all pink too, 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:36.040 pink shoes, pink socks, pink pants, belt, everything on father's 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:37.880 day in New York. So it was pretty brave. So 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:39.840 he took all the attention away, which was great. 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:45.040 That was during Palter's apparel era, Like you know, he 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:48.240 were he wore that all gold that one time. Remember 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:52.160 that that goal. Whenever I think Ian Porter, I think 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:54.080 about that outfit, I can't get it out. 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:59.560 Pretty brave man, like not short on confidence with his apparel. 0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:02.040 His story. I mean when he turned pro with have 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.920 a four handicap legend, that just a legend. 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:09.600 Like he if there's any like a like a case 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:11.600 that you can talk yourself into something if you want 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:13.640 it bad enough, he talked himself into it. You know. 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:19.560 I mean there's clearly people with more physical skills, but 0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:22.160 he has turned himself into them. Like just an outrageously 0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:24.560 good player and under pressure he is just I mean 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:26.480 he has the respect of the whole locker room because 0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:27.799 the stuff he does in the right A cup, it's 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.360 just on another level, Like it's outrageous. How good he is. 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:31.400 His story is incredible. 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:37.560 Yeah, he's I think he obviously gets it. He gets 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:40.160 under people's skin. So like you know, I think from 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.360 like a fan perspective, you know, there's a lot and 0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:45.160 in New York. He just I'll think he just had 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:45.480 to be. 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:47.480 And it's kind of rubbing it in their face, right, 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:49.920 because it's exactly what they don't want their golfers to 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:51.719 be wearing in New York. I see, I feel like 0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:55.520 and it's just but he he banters back fun with 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:57.400 them and like they end up loving him, right because 0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:58.720 he's great to them. 0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:01.360 What was that with Phil? Like, you know, he's like 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:04.440 the New York guy and like being in the mix 0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:06.680 with Phil and the mix out of us upend, Like 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:11.000 did it feel like more of an atmosphere of like 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:13.560 a I don't know President's Cup ever it has had 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.040 like an atmosphere like a Ryder Cup, but like that 0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:19.200 Raider Cup where you were playing like almost against the 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.680 hometown crowd, like you were at an away game, like 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:23.480 if it was like an NBA Finals. 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.960 It's certainly in the last nine holes when it became 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:30.040 apparent that he might win, it was very profil. But 0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:32.480 it wasn't anti anybody else. It was just pro Phil. 0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.200 They love him, I mean they they just love him 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:38.759 so much. And the way he was playing that week, 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.359 he was driving at the Raff, making a crazy part 0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:43.239 driving the raff, making Birdie out of the raff, like 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:45.960 he was doing crazy stuff from crazy places and it 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:49.319 was just probably really great fun to watch the way 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:51.960 he was doing it. But yeah, the last he made 0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:54.640 he made Bertie on fourteen when we were on the 0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.800 fifteenth tee and it was like really out of the 0:45:56.880 --> 0:45:59.239 rough and he hit it to four feet or five 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.520 feet and they just went absolutely ballistic when he made 0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:03.520 the part. I was like, wow, this is these people 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.839 want this guy to win really bad. But we're kind 0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:07.400 of sad for the middle in the end, because like 0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:10.000 they were like it was their man's weak right. 0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:14.000 How much were you like paying attention to the leaderboard 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.120 when you were in the hunt and tournaments coming down 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:18.040 the stretch. 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:21.640 Normally quite a lot. I never really found it weird 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.279 to see my name on it, so I didn't. I 0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:28.279 never noticed myself react negatively weird, like play poorly after 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:29.920 looking at it, So I never really came up with 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:34.040 a reason to not look at it. But that week, 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:37.880 for whatever reason, whether there weren't many or whatever, I 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:40.400 didn't really look much on the back nine. Maybe I 0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:44.239 knew that it was better for me to not, and 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:45.719 I had I knew I was I think I was 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:50.800 two back with four to play, maybe, and I was 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:54.839 kind of losing my head a little bit frustrated because 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:56.960 I think I burgied fourteen and feel birdied fourteen, so 0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:58.279 maybe I was even three back at that point. I 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:03.680 don't know, probably two bad. And Squirrel Makeddie just said, look, 0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:05.239 let's no one's going to part of the last four holes. 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.640 Let's just part of the last four holes, and who knows, 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:09.160 no one's going to do that, so let's just do that. 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:12.520 You'll be really close if you do that. So I 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:14.719 kind of, like, for whatever reason, had this moment of 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:17.680 being sensible for once on the golf course, and I 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:19.719 actually really did just try to part fifteen, and then 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:21.160 when I got to sixteen, I'm like, oh, I just 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:23.520 make part because it seemed like such a ridiculous proposition. 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:25.640 It kind of forced me to just think about the 0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:27.279 next shot in front of me, like to part of 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:29.239 the last four holes. That's how hard it seemed like 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.720 a proposition. So I didn't even like running a marathon 0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:33.759 it so let's just run the first mile. So here 0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:35.200 we go. And I was one of the only times 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:36.960 in my life that I was actually like that, like 0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:38.960 properly one shot at a time, or one hole at 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:42.600 a time, Part fifteen, Part sixteen, made a good up 0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:44.560 and down from shore of the green on sixteen, drove 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:46.719 it the trees on seventeen and ended up chipping in 0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:50.719 for par. I mean, my ball never really was on 0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:52.600 the green except when it was rolled into the hole, 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:55.680 and then eighteen made a great par. In the end, 0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:58.160 I got in a great drive, got unlucky. It went 0:47:58.160 --> 0:47:59.719 into a divot that was kind of like an old 0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:02.359 sound divot and hit a decent second shot, I thought, 0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:04.440 and I was actually posing. I thought i'd actually stiffed 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:07.040 it. It was right at it, and I thought it had 0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:08.759 landed like a foot short of where it needed to. 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.040 But you watched on TV, he'd probably landed five yards 0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:14.640 short where it needed And it was probably the sand 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:16.160 and the divot that made it go shorter than I 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:18.279 thought it was going to go. I felt like I 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:20.279 got all ball. But you know, Sandy Divotts, this is 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:23.160 not quite the same as grass got up there and 0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:26.239 had a filthy little pitch. But the thing that I 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:28.920 the first time I really noticed that I knew the 0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:30.759 true state of affairs is when I got to that 0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:32.680 green after I'd missed it short. We got up there, 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:34.759 the leaderboard was to the left of the green, which 0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:37.120 and it's kind of a dog leg left wing foot, 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:38.880 so you can't see the leaderboard till you get to 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:44.000 the green that Monty had made six not five. We 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:45.920 knew Monty had made bogey. We saw him miss a 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.120 part on the green and there was a groan, and 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.879 we knew we'd missed the green. But I guess he'd 0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:54.760 three padded, so he'd made double. So it wasn't until 0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:56.640 then I had that pitch suret the third shot on 0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:58.440 eighteen that I knew that it was. Phil was the 0:48:58.440 --> 0:48:59.560 only one in front of me, and if I got 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:04.319 up and down, I was second on my own. We 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:06.560 figured I was on the same score as Monty because 0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:09.040 we thought he'd make bugg. You made double that so 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:11.319 that made me a little bit. I still thought I 0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:12.719 was gonna get up and down and finished second at 0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:15.960 this point with a real chance to to playoff. You 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:19.160 know that kind of went through my head. It's say, back, 0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:22.000 that was eighteen whole playoff days too, so like new 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.759 hotel room, Like what am I going to do? Like 0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:28.000 all this stuff, So you were thinking about that kind 0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:30.520 of a minute, like it flashed into my head like, 0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:33.439 oh wow, I could because for the previous three holes, 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:35.160 I kind of thought I wasn't. I didn't think about 0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:36.920 winning or anything because I thought I wasn't going to win. 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:39.560 I just figured Phil was going to because as I said, 0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:41.839 I was at least two back, I think, and there 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:45.239 were no birdies to be had. So I had a 0:49:45.239 --> 0:49:47.400 really good pitch. It was an easy pitch probably to 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:49.360 hit the fifteen feet because it kind of goes up 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:53.080 again past the hole, so, but a hard one to 0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:54.600 hit the four or five or whatever it hit. I 0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:56.400 hit a really good one and it came out nicely 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:58.880 and spun and did everything it needed to do. So 0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:01.840 that was nice that I didn't that I gave myself 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.440 an relatively simple put out. It was downhill, but it 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:07.359 was downhill inside right. You could just get it moving 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:08.880 and it was going to go in if you started 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:11.560 in the right spot. So and then yeah, Phil did 0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:14.640 what he did. So when I when I made it, 0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:18.799 when I was putting it, like, I thought it was 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.120 a really good chance for a playoff because eighteen is 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:24.680 really hard, right, yeah, And I think there was no 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:29.560 balls that we could see on the fairway. But I didn't. 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:32.000 I never thought that would be to win the tournament 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.600 out right. Ever, No, it never entered my head. Who 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:36.239 thought who was going to think that he would make double? 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:42.520 That Johnny Carl was pretty epic. A buddy of mine 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:45.319 sent me that, like because he had a fried egg 0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:48.840 and then yeah, the way Johnny said the like and 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:51.319 it's just funny how but like I was listening as 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:54.960 like an advocate, you know, Carl. But with that that 0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:59.400 pit shot, I mean, I've always thought, like a really 0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:04.040 pitch that you hit the pitch just rate is one 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:06.520 of the greatest feelings in golf. Like right when you 0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:08.120 hit it, you know, it was just perfect. 0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:10.799 It was ridiculous. Like I'd been working on it for 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.719 my pitching more than anything else for a long time, 0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:18.520 just for a few different reasons. But there's that one shot, 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:22.200 and I think only really really great short games actually 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:26.720 have ever felt that perfect, Like elite golfers have felt 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:29.279 that one that just comes out so perfect, you know, 0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:31.840 just grabs on the face properly, and it flights a 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:33.719 little bit lower whatever, and it's spinning and it's like 0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:35.480 it's a one in five even when you're pitching it. 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:37.720 Well right, Yeah, But balladas. It was a little bit easier, 0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:39.400 but like these days, it's just and you're gonna have 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:41.600 really good grus and clean and a good line. Everything's 0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:43.960 got to work right and when you do it, even 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:46.040 when you're practicing, you like look around. So did anyone 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:47.400 say that he good? Was that? I mean, it's just 0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:49.719 a special feeling and it came out like. 0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:53.920 That you want, yeah, it grabs just right. Yeah, just 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:58.440 it remained me that pitch and Justin Roses and Marion 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:02.920 they like those they're very similar, like like they but 0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:05.759 maybe that's like the thing is like with the Masters, 0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:08.920 Like everybody like, oh, you know the US Open, like 0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:14.040 but like that that shot in golf is is unbelievably 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:18.120 fun to watch, is like the recovery shot. And yeah, 0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:20.839 and I think there's something like Masters. You we think 0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:24.160 about the approaches and everything, and the Open is that 0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:26.479 you have the elements and everything. And the US Open 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:28.960 sometimes people are like, well, they're just getting beat over 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.600 the head, but like those are the shots that kind 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:32.040 of win. 0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:34.120 And they're the shots that like move the needle in 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:35.640 the locker room, if you like, the people got the 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.480 guys in the locker room get really excited about the 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:40.520 great short game shots just the freakish ones you know 0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:43.560 there are and you have to have a freakish green 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:45.640 a week around the greens, especially at pebble, because I 0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:48.800 mean they are so small. I mean, twelve grains a 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:50.440 day would be really impressive for you, you know. So 0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:53.279 that's six up and downs the day. That's twenty four 0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:55.600 for the week. Like, that's a lot of times. You 0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:57.080 gotta get up and down and a long stuff to 0:52:57.120 --> 0:52:58.040 really slope greens. 0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:00.920 So the other thing with the with the pitches is 0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:03.920 that's where I feel like the nerves can get you. 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:08.520 The mass short grass, Yeah, pictures with a wedge, Yeah, 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:11.120 with a lob wedge or something. They you can get 0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:12.680 them wrong for sure. They're the one. Well, they're the 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:14.760 ones when you say guys have issues where they're pitching, 0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:17.120 like targeted a few years ago, that's the one that 0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:19.319 you don't want. You know, you're not rough under the ball. 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:20.920 No one gets the flubs out of the rough. I 0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:24.239 mean you might not good shots, but you don't fat 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:25.920 them or thin them out of the rough. But off 0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:28.160 the short grass, that's that's that's when you know you 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:30.279 be pitching it well. When you could you could pitch 0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:32.160 yourself a pudding green and it would go well, you. 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:36.279 Know, yeah, it's it's still true. It's I mean the 0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:39.680 short game and stuff. I think, I don't know, what 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:41.800 did you think about Aaron Hills a few years ago? 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:45.120 Like from the idea, you know, people are always about 0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:47.720 thick rough, but like the short grass around the greens. 0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:51.440 I think if the course suits short grass, then I 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:54.200 like short grass around the greens. I think it's a 0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:58.000 it's sometimes it's a it's an easier test for a 0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:01.400 good picture, and it's a harder test for a bad picture, 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:03.879 you know, a bad short game. And I think it's 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:06.520 kind of what you want, right you want the guys 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:08.279 who are playing well, who have the complete game, to 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:11.800 be able to separate themselves. I think sometimes some courses 0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:14.799 just don't lend themselves to that yeah set up. And 0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:16.640 I think sometimes rough around the greens. It's not my 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:18.440 if I was going to build a course from scratch, 0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:20.040 you would always try to build it where balls were 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.040 going to roll off round greens, like they do with 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:26.000 the Masters or something. But sometimes I think rough around 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:29.280 the greens is a good test, especially if it's varying rough. 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:31.600 I'm not sure if I love the uniform stuff. It's 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:33.440 relatively the same shot you have to play out. It 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:36.319 doesn't matter where you go. When it's that perfect four 0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:39.200 inch high rye grass, it's all in a dead straight vertical. 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:42.000 I think sometimes that's a little bit kind of boring. 0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:44.839 I like that kind of gnally kind of variable rough 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:49.320 that you get into the fescue at Chittacock or in Britain. 0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.279 You get some pretty narly stuff. And I think that again, 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:54.560 the really gifted short games, which is what you're trying 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:56.120 to find in a golf tournament, is the gifted the 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:58.279 good guys, right, the guys who are playing their best, 0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:00.480 the more variety you give them a on the greens, 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:04.520 I think that's maximum chance for the best golf, the 0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:06.280 cream to rise at the top in the end. 0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:14.840 Variable testing people talk about the identity of the US helping, Well, 0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:18.320 what would you say, is you're the identity of the 0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:19.000 US helping. 0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:23.000 It's the hardest test relative to power in golf. 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.200 So par is a central piece of air. 0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:28.719 Well they think it is. I don't think it is, 0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:34.160 but there are I mean I would argue that there 0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:36.960 are just as difficult as shots. On weeks where we 0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:41.000 shoot fifteen under, you know what I mean, But maybe 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:45.080 the power is a little different stuff. Sometimes it's like 0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.080 it's a battle. They have a tournament at Whisper Rock 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:49.520 once a year where they put the pins on sides 0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:52.080 of hills. It's crazy staff and the tees. Your right 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:53.719 foots off the back of the tee on every hole. 0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:56.439 It's called the Battle of attrition. I think the US 0:55:56.520 --> 0:56:02.839 Open is the battle of attrition. That's his identity. They 0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.560 just have this obsession. It seems like they're hopefully they're 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:08.560 losing it now, but or they're drifting away from it 0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:12.439 to get us to shoot around pass somewhere. And that's 0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:15.319 I think probably where they go wrong, because sometimes that's 0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:18.359 just not possible unless there's weather involvement, you know, or 0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:22.560 if it's too soft or something so and then they'll 0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:24.160 just go nuts with the greens just to keep us 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:25.040 somewhere near PA, you know. 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:25.319 I mean. 0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:33.680 I just think, just find a set up that allows 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:36.560 the guys who are playing their best that week separate themselves. 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:38.840 I don't think the score is I don't think it matters. 0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:41.319 I think the US Open generally does that. I mean, 0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:44.960 you can't fake it at the US Open. You have 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:48.520 to be playing well. You know, you really don't. You 0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:50.279 can't get away with a bad driver that week, or 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:52.399 a bad putter or a bad anything, right. I mean 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:54.319 in a normal week, maybe you can kind of get 0:56:54.480 --> 0:56:56.200 the talented guys can get away with something being a 0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:58.800 little bit off, but not at the US Open. Battle 0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:03.520 of attrition just every shot is that every hole is 0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:06.440 the hardest hole at your home club, set up as 0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:08.400 hard as it can and you do that seventy two 0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:11.719 holes holes in a row. Like it's just there's never 0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:12.279 a let up. 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:15.560 I imagine like US Open rounds, when you get off 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:21.600 the course, did you feel different than say a normal 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:22.680 PGA Tour event. 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:25.400 Yeah, fatigued? You know that. I mean anyone who's ever 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:28.160 played competitive golf who like knows they have to part 0:57:28.200 --> 0:57:31.120 of the last nine holes or do a stretch of 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:33.560 holes and it's in a really good score to like 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:36.400 get to make a card or to make the match 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:38.840 play at your club, James, or whatever it is. And 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.600 you you hold that kind of whatever it is, that 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.040 focus at tension or whatever in your head, that really 0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:47.800 intensity I guess it is that has to be high 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:51.000 when you play US Open. So you feel I think 0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:53.200 after a Thursday, especially if you're doing well. If you're 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:55.440 doing poorly, I think you kind of male it in 0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:57.840 a little bit, just because you focus on all how 0:57:57.880 --> 0:58:00.360 bads must score hards. It's just when you kind of 0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:02.360 playing well, you just hang on to that tension and 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:06.080 that anxiety and the intensity. It's a bit of a 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:09.400 Not many people grind on the range of the US 0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:11.800 Open after they play. I mean the guys still do, 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:15.000 but way less than an normal tournament. Yeah, it's tiring. 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:18.120 It's super tiring mentally tiring, because every shot is the 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:21.320 hardest shot you've ever had. Almost It feels like sometimes 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:22.960 you play Oakmond and every hole is the hardest home 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:24.320 you've ever played, and you got it an eighteen times 0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:26.080 in a row, and every time you miss the shot, 0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:29.320 you make a bogie like that. That's a level of 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:32.040 intensity or pressure or something on every shot that's not normal. 0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:36.160 What do you think would happen if they changed the power? 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:41.600 They say they made pebble par sixty nine. You know, 0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:44.400 guys are hitting mid irons at eighteen. Guys are hitting 0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:48.600 you know, they're hitting the only real par five where 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.960 you know the definition of parr in nineteen eleven was 0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:57.920 that ideal shots from tee to green, allowing for two parts. 0:58:58.320 --> 0:59:00.720 Well, I think it would be interesting. I think some 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:05.800 guys would have different scores, don't you think, Like if 0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:11.320 you made eighteen to part four for one tournament, and 0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:13.080 you might eight in the part five for the tournament 0:59:13.160 --> 0:59:15.280 the next week, and everything else was exactly the same, 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:16.840 the scoring average would be different. 0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:22.600 They'd they'd score better at past sixty nine, I think so. 0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.520 I mean that's what they say they see with this 0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:28.120 loss of version stuff. But like, but then all of 0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:32.120 a sudden, like if Pebble's par sixty nine, like you 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:35.360 don't have to do anything crazy to have score be 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:35.960 around park. 0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:37.200 No, that would be interesting. 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:39.960 Yeah, that's like what I And if you want the 0:59:39.960 --> 0:59:43.280 definition of par like because it's all based off of 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:45.720 this history, right, but par's arbitrary. 0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:47.440 You could draw the line in the sand whatever you want. 0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:50.280 It's us. It's our perception of whether over power under 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:52.120 power is a good score or not. It doesn't really 0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:53.360 mean anything. 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:55.960 Right exactly, Like you know, like this is the thing 0:59:56.080 --> 0:59:59.720 is like for some why did PARR become a determinive 0:59:59.720 --> 1:00:02.360 different dificulty when it's just made up and it's like 1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:05.400 nobody would say, like if you played pebble in the 1:00:05.520 --> 1:00:09.360 US Open, then you play it on a Sunday morning 1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:12.520 in April with you know, after it rained, you know, 1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:15.800 an inch and there's no wind, like, be completely different 1:00:15.800 --> 1:00:16.400 golf course. 1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:19.080 Yeah, and oak Water to past seventy eight isn't necessarily 1:00:19.080 --> 1:00:21.360 an easy course. Still just the same shots, right, it's 1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:24.320 still really really hard. Yeah, just because you're six under 1:00:24.360 --> 1:00:27.360 it doesn't mean it's easy. Every shot'spin just as hard 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:29.160 to shoot seventy two as it was being two over 1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:32.200 it's seventy two. Yeah, it's the same because it's a 1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:32.960 mental difference. Though. 1:00:33.200 --> 1:00:35.280 It made me think about Trinity Forrest too. When I 1:00:35.320 --> 1:00:37.280 started thinking about this, it's like, oh, traenty fourth is 1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:39.240 easy because they're shooting twenty three underd It's like, well 1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:42.520 you got mid iron into one. Everybody's going for seven, 1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:45.720 you know, five is everybody can get home? 1:00:46.600 --> 1:00:49.200 You know, Yeah, it played short last year, so then 1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:49.440 all of. 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:51.720 A sudden you got It's like if it was part 1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:55.959 sixty eight and eleven underwins, it's said twenty three under, 1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:57.880 would people say it's easy. 1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:01.800 No, of course it wouldn't. 1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:05.640 No. So it's like the problem with the USGA. This 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:07.200 par thing is a real thing. 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:09.320 Right, Well it is, but it shouldn't be. 1:01:09.840 --> 1:01:13.720 Yeah, because it's not. That isn't a difficulty, right, because 1:01:13.720 --> 1:01:17.800 something can be difficult and you could shoot sixty five. Yeah, 1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:22.680 but if everybody shoots, you know, seventy, you still played 1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:23.720 really good. 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:28.480 It would be I would rather than see them defend 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:31.560 power by changing par than changing the course, which is 1:01:31.720 --> 1:01:34.320 kind of what you're saying, Yeah, that's right, or manipulating 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:36.760 the course. I mean it should be at its most difficult, right. 1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:38.439 It should be like the club championship in any club. 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:40.560 It should be back teas. It should be the greens 1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:42.360 as good and fast and firm as you can make 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:45.920 them sensibly, and your four toughest pins. It should be yeah, 1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:49.360 you know. And if that has us shooting adding under 1:01:49.360 --> 1:01:51.720 power and that makes the USGA not happy, then yeah, 1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:54.560 change the par don't manipulate the course and put the 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:56.120 pins on sides of the hills and grow the rough 1:01:56.160 --> 1:01:58.960 crazy long and do crazy stuff. Just have it. I 1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:01.760 don't know it'd be an interesting to do it. I 1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:03.640 think you just want to see the guy who plays 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:08.120 the best be able to showcase his skills and win, 1:02:08.320 --> 1:02:10.960 you know, like people here in two thousand. I mean, 1:02:11.120 --> 1:02:13.919 the best player in the world clearly found the course 1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:17.360 pretty playable and no one else did. So it gave 1:02:17.440 --> 1:02:19.840 the best player in the world the best canvas possible 1:02:19.880 --> 1:02:21.480 to win. And so does Scenanders because he won by 1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:25.400 nine like ten minutes later. Right, So two completely different 1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:28.439 courses that found the best golfer in the world and 1:02:28.480 --> 1:02:31.680 no one could catch him. A bad setup in that 1:02:31.720 --> 1:02:34.040 era would have been one that Tiger didn't win by 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:37.160 a lot, you know, because those those setups allowed him 1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:41.000 to show he was the best as long as it 1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:43.160 allows that. I don't think it matters what the score is. 1:02:43.160 --> 1:02:46.120 Is there one that sticks out like that was where 1:02:46.160 --> 1:02:49.760 you felt like the most where it wasn't you know, 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:52.680 the best player what you know, didn't they made it one, 1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:56.320 but that you know they it was hard to separate. 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:00.600 I thought Chambers was hard to set up. I think 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:02.560 the best player ended up winning and it was a 1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:05.360 great leader board in the end. So, but that would 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:06.880 have been a hard one to separate because you just 1:03:06.880 --> 1:03:08.960 couldn't make any puts. You just couldn't, Like, it just 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:09.720 wasn't possible. 1:03:09.880 --> 1:03:11.840 Would that be a good venue if they fix if 1:03:11.840 --> 1:03:13.400 the greens, the grass or. 1:03:13.560 --> 1:03:18.320 It's an interesting venue, Like it's the weird property that 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:19.960 there's about five or six holes that go up and 1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:22.240 down this just massive cliff at the edge of this quarry. 1:03:22.280 --> 1:03:23.640 And I don't like those holes at all, but all 1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:25.240 the ones on the bottom I thought were really cool. 1:03:25.720 --> 1:03:29.960 And I think the fine fescue Open was good for 1:03:30.040 --> 1:03:33.120 the Open. I like that kind of Lynxy is not lynxy, 1:03:33.200 --> 1:03:35.560 but the ball running like a Lynx course, running fifty 1:03:35.640 --> 1:03:38.520 sixty seventy meters and like going over with these hills 1:03:38.560 --> 1:03:41.240 and running down slopes, and I think it's a different 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:43.880 style of test. Great players generally play well when it 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:45.960 gets like that. Yeah, so that's kind of why I 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:48.160 like that. I mean, the partner's number two is completely 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:50.760 unique for US Open, but it's perfect. You're going to 1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:51.760 find a good player. 1:03:51.480 --> 1:03:54.240 There because and camer separated. 1:03:53.880 --> 1:03:58.160 Separated, like truly separated. See that's a piners is maybe 1:03:58.160 --> 1:04:00.320 a little bit too far around the greens because KMA 1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:03.040 chipping would be his achilles here if he has one, 1:04:03.680 --> 1:04:08.320 because chipping is so hard there, then he actually he 1:04:08.400 --> 1:04:11.680 didn't have. His weakness wasn't necessary. He didn't have to 1:04:11.680 --> 1:04:14.080 expose his weakness because you can put from everywhere Pinehurst, 1:04:14.280 --> 1:04:17.720 you know, so he didn't have to chip. There's interesting 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:21.200 that what's seen as a short game test might actually 1:04:21.240 --> 1:04:22.960 be more of a long game test, you know. 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:28.280 Like yeah, I guess yeah, because he could put everywhere. 1:04:28.160 --> 1:04:29.760 Apart from everywhere, he didn't have to use his laugh 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:33.680 so that's countship. But if he has a weakness, it 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:36.200 would be in that area. So he puts from everywhere, 1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:40.000 and he's an incredible ball striker. But yeah, that great 1:04:40.040 --> 1:04:43.480 players and he's a great player. Clearly thrive when it 1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:46.720 gets fiery, you know, like so I kind of and 1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:48.920 Chambers get super fiery. That was as fiery as I've 1:04:48.920 --> 1:04:50.880 seen it open. So I think in some respects it's 1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:53.160 a good venue. But I think he'd have trouble getting 1:04:53.160 --> 1:04:54.800 the players to go back to go back there with 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:57.760 that complaining because that was pretty poor. The Greens. Yeah, 1:04:57.880 --> 1:05:00.360 not that no one's fault. They lost him, but and 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:02.360 it was they lost them too late and you couldn't 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:06.320 save them. But we had best of it. I mean 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:08.200 it was incredible weather. We had eighty five degrees and 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:12.000 some for seven days straight. Huge crowds, too, huge crowds, 1:05:12.160 --> 1:05:15.600 they love it up. There would be great I mean it's. 1:05:14.680 --> 1:05:18.000 A there's in more places up in the Pacific Northwest 1:05:18.000 --> 1:05:21.240 because like this is the best West Coast open by far, 1:05:21.360 --> 1:05:24.120 the best because like you know, everybody gets to watch 1:05:24.200 --> 1:05:26.280 the most golf yeah, of any open. 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:29.200 Like, and it's predictable weather. Yeah, it never rains in 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:31.560 the West Coast in summer ever, you know, and it's 1:05:31.880 --> 1:05:33.880 nice all day and it's a good temperature, and like 1:05:33.880 --> 1:05:35.800 you said, the East Coast TV, it's perfect. Everyone gets 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:37.880 home from work and watches yeah, perfect. 1:05:38.280 --> 1:05:40.320 Yeah, And they just seed more good golf course down 1:05:40.360 --> 1:05:40.959 the West coast. 1:05:40.960 --> 1:05:43.960 Well, there's plenty. You know. California's got two coming up, right, 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:47.920 It's got this and in LA in two years. Yeah yeah, No, 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:49.800 Tory in two years and then LA in a couple 1:05:49.840 --> 1:05:51.480 of years after that. So they're coming here a lot. 1:05:52.760 --> 1:05:54.160 Toris in a couple of years. 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:56.600 Right, Yeah, yeah, they got two years. 1:05:56.720 --> 1:05:59.680 That's a good open. Toy is a good open. It's 1:06:00.320 --> 1:06:03.160 you know, it'll surprise you. I promise you. It's a 1:06:03.160 --> 1:06:05.600 great open. It is. If it's like it was last time, 1:06:05.600 --> 1:06:06.240 it's brilliant. 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:10.200 It's what means help. The Tiger made wing Foot so 1:06:10.480 --> 1:06:12.640 tough and of sex. 1:06:13.440 --> 1:06:15.560 Well, it was the first year they did the graduated rough, 1:06:15.640 --> 1:06:19.439 so the rough was playable. It was the first year 1:06:19.440 --> 1:06:21.600 we could miss the fairway by three or four yards 1:06:21.600 --> 1:06:23.440 and move it somewhat near the green. I mean it 1:06:23.480 --> 1:06:25.440 wasn't like you could get a five on on it, 1:06:25.480 --> 1:06:27.400 but you could backfoot a nine one or and eight 1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:28.960 on and hack it up somewhere around the green and 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:30.440 hope you could get it up and down, whereas before 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:32.680 it was just get this, get the sandwich out, and 1:06:32.760 --> 1:06:35.240 you was open up to that point. So that was different. 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:36.960 So that was kind of easier. But the greens at 1:06:36.960 --> 1:06:40.680 wing Foot are brutally hard, really back to front pitched 1:06:40.680 --> 1:06:44.040 greens with like kind of waves and stuff, and they're 1:06:44.080 --> 1:06:51.640 really tricky and their power they get ropie when you 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:53.600 push them, really really firm, and they were kind of 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:57.280 difficult to put on beaten up. I would have called 1:06:57.320 --> 1:07:02.040 them on Thursday and Friday afternoon. And when they're really fast, 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:04.400 really slopey with a little bit of ropiness about them, 1:07:04.480 --> 1:07:07.040 it gets really tough. And it's just naturally it's a 1:07:07.080 --> 1:07:09.080 tough course. It's like Okamon. It's one of those just 1:07:09.880 --> 1:07:12.720 naturally difficult courses that there's really no good places to 1:07:12.720 --> 1:07:15.040 miss it on some holes, and the greens play really 1:07:15.080 --> 1:07:19.400 effectively small, and my shelt game was just outrageous at 1:07:19.400 --> 1:07:21.840 that point. So I didn't really I did it because 1:07:21.840 --> 1:07:24.240 I got up and down a lot kind of had 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:24.800 to do. 1:07:24.880 --> 1:07:29.040 You expect a similar like scoring next year. 1:07:31.000 --> 1:07:33.160 I think golf is gold The standard of golf is 1:07:33.160 --> 1:07:37.160 generally higher than it was then. There's more good players. 1:07:37.560 --> 1:07:39.000 I mean, we were playing great golf. We thought we 1:07:39.000 --> 1:07:40.760 were playing great golf, and clearly Tiger was playing as 1:07:40.760 --> 1:07:42.280 good as anybody kind of around that era. 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:45.120 But how's the first time he missed a cutting? Like forever? 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:49.000 His father just died a year Yeah, so fill and 1:07:49.080 --> 1:07:51.560 the Masters and he won hole Lake straight after that. 1:07:51.920 --> 1:07:55.800 So but that era was obviously good. But I feel 1:07:55.840 --> 1:07:59.240 like it's deeper now. Those the pool that you would 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:01.280 you were picked, thing that could win a major now 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:02.480 is bigger than it was then. 1:08:03.080 --> 1:08:05.080 Did they have the Grand Slam Ofcgarf that year? 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:05.800 Yeah? 1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:09.560 Did you play? That had to be one of the 1:08:09.640 --> 1:08:10.240 last years for. 1:08:10.280 --> 1:08:13.400 That it We were one of the last ones in Kawaii. 1:08:13.440 --> 1:08:15.840 We went to Kawaii and they went to Bermuda for 1:08:15.840 --> 1:08:18.679 a couple of years after that. It was a crazy event. 1:08:18.760 --> 1:08:20.960 I think Furich was at mine because he had the 1:08:21.000 --> 1:08:26.960 next best scoring average because Tiger won two. So it 1:08:27.000 --> 1:08:30.080 was Phil the Tiger and Weir and Furick, I think 1:08:31.560 --> 1:08:33.599 because they always used to let the if someone won 1:08:33.680 --> 1:08:36.720 too for that year. But the best, the best thing 1:08:36.760 --> 1:08:38.400 out of the best thing that came out of wing 1:08:38.400 --> 1:08:40.200 Foot was I played with Tiger and Film in the 1:08:40.200 --> 1:08:42.840 first year rounds of Madonna in two thousand and six, 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:47.080 which was the biggest crowd I've ever seen. It was 1:08:47.120 --> 1:08:49.840 just unbelievable for six holes. It was a really fun 1:08:50.160 --> 1:08:53.400 six holes because it was the height. Field won the Masters, 1:08:54.280 --> 1:08:57.040 Tiger won the Open, and I'm in sandwich in the middle, 1:08:57.080 --> 1:08:58.600 Like no one really even cares that I'm there, so 1:08:58.640 --> 1:09:01.160 I'm just a spectator. Really, it was crazy. It was 1:09:01.160 --> 1:09:03.960 really fun. And Chicago people are allowed, as you know, 1:09:04.720 --> 1:09:08.040 and Madonna's a loud place like the amphitheaters. 1:09:07.360 --> 1:09:11.360 And a loud place except when the Euros make a Sunday. 1:09:11.200 --> 1:09:13.839 Rosie makes the seventy, it's really quiet. 1:09:14.200 --> 1:09:19.760 Yeah, is that the playing with Tiger shot thing? Real? 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:23.920 Like the people say, like I think Rory and GT 1:09:24.120 --> 1:09:26.880 said something like last year after riv like you know, 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:29.679 it had to be a shot a shot in half. 1:09:29.880 --> 1:09:32.240 What they dealt with that day because I played two 1:09:32.240 --> 1:09:33.760 groups in front of them that day. What they were 1:09:33.760 --> 1:09:36.000 dealing with because that was Tiger just back out. Everyone's 1:09:36.080 --> 1:09:38.680 hyped this has come back number four or whatever, but 1:09:38.720 --> 1:09:40.280 like this one's going to stick, right. 1:09:40.840 --> 1:09:45.440 People were just crazy for the craziest morning, outrageous. 1:09:45.479 --> 1:09:47.880 And River is a really small property and holes are 1:09:47.920 --> 1:09:51.720 really close together, and uh, target group. Tiger fans are 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:55.160 different from normal golf fans, or an element of his 1:09:55.520 --> 1:09:58.439 crowd is different. They're Tiger fans. They're not golf fans. 1:09:58.479 --> 1:10:00.400 So they're just there to see their man. They don't 1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:05.280 like understand that there's other groups on the course, and 1:10:05.320 --> 1:10:07.640 I mean, that's not what they're about. They're about seeing Tiger, right. 1:10:07.720 --> 1:10:11.960 So I think whenever I played, I play with him 1:10:11.960 --> 1:10:13.759 a lot, and I was pretty fortunate in some pretty 1:10:13.760 --> 1:10:16.880 good situations like that. People were great. But I think 1:10:16.920 --> 1:10:19.320 on these comebacks, especially when he hasn't been around for 1:10:19.320 --> 1:10:20.880 a long time and then he came in. When he 1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:26.240 came back, people were extra crazy. It was look, it 1:10:26.360 --> 1:10:28.320 was tough. He was good to play with him, that 1:10:28.360 --> 1:10:30.840 he wouldn't put in part out if he didn't have 1:10:30.960 --> 1:10:34.679 to and like get the crowd to walk off and stuff. 1:10:34.680 --> 1:10:37.160 He was generally pretty good to you like that, Like 1:10:37.200 --> 1:10:40.040 he had he had an understanding or an awareness of 1:10:40.360 --> 1:10:42.200 the effect that he had on the crowd, so he 1:10:42.200 --> 1:10:46.439 was pretty good with it. But yeah, it's difficult. The 1:10:46.479 --> 1:10:48.320 hardest group to play in was in front of Tiger 1:10:48.400 --> 1:10:51.840 in those days or any day really probably because every 1:10:51.840 --> 1:10:54.240 time whenever you're putting, his crowd's coming up the fairway. 1:10:54.240 --> 1:10:56.240 They're all walking to try to get positioned around the green. 1:10:56.240 --> 1:10:57.640 They're all trying to get on the tee, they're all 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:59.840 trying to get positioned for the next group to get 1:10:59.880 --> 1:11:02.000 a good view. So they don't care that you're putting. 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:03.639 They're just walking right because they want to be next 1:11:03.640 --> 1:11:09.080 to the green. So the least favorite draw historically would 1:11:09.120 --> 1:11:11.240 have been a group in front of him, not with him. 1:11:11.280 --> 1:11:13.280 With him, it's kind of your bit insulated because it's 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:15.719 you're just in amongst it, and it's like that white noise. 1:11:15.720 --> 1:11:17.759 It's just so much noise, you know, it's like noise 1:11:17.760 --> 1:11:20.040 canceling headphones. You don't notice after a while because it's 1:11:20.080 --> 1:11:24.200 just constant. But the group in front or around him, 1:11:24.520 --> 1:11:27.320 that gets tough because you don't quite have the white 1:11:27.360 --> 1:11:30.000 noise effect, but you have the stampeding masses up coming 1:11:30.080 --> 1:11:31.559 up behind you when you're hitting all the time. 1:11:32.560 --> 1:11:36.920 That's interesting. So what we got five under through day one, 1:11:37.280 --> 1:11:39.040 what's the winning score going to be at Pebble. 1:11:39.680 --> 1:11:42.439 I think it'd be less than ten. I think there's 1:11:42.479 --> 1:11:45.320 no course that I know that could get difficult quick 1:11:46.000 --> 1:11:52.360 faster than Pebble. I think just by amount of water 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:53.720 they put on the greens. It's not going to rain, 1:11:53.920 --> 1:11:57.639 I mean it, if it stays foggy, it won't get 1:11:57.640 --> 1:11:59.880 as firm. But they could get the greens crazy firm 1:11:59.920 --> 1:12:03.680 and crazy fast really quick here, I think, And I 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:06.080 think by the end they'll be tough, although they probably 1:12:06.080 --> 1:12:08.719 a little gun shy right because of their last few years. 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:10.599 They need a really smooth, good one, right, I need 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:11.720 no one to talk about set up. 1:12:13.960 --> 1:12:15.240 Well, it's too easy. 1:12:15.840 --> 1:12:18.759 But again, if if it goes too deep, they're obviously 1:12:18.840 --> 1:12:21.360 not afraid because Aaron Hill's yeah, they went into the teens, right, 1:12:21.400 --> 1:12:23.320 so they've broken that kind of Well that. 1:12:23.439 --> 1:12:28.800 Was rain no whend yeah two, I don't know. 1:12:28.840 --> 1:12:30.519 I don't The forecast doesn't look like there's anything too 1:12:30.560 --> 1:12:33.000 crazy coming, but I think it'll be like high single digits, 1:12:33.040 --> 1:12:34.800 I would think. I don't think there'll be a whole 1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:36.160 lot of people under part at the end. I mean 1:12:36.200 --> 1:12:39.880 seventy two holes here. Eventually you're going to have some 1:12:40.160 --> 1:12:41.880 you're going to have some bumps in the road, you know, 1:12:41.920 --> 1:12:44.160 and it's going to get progressively harder every day. I 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:46.960 didn't really study the pins today, but most pins that 1:12:47.320 --> 1:12:51.360 are tough because they're also slopey. So single digits under 1:12:51.360 --> 1:12:54.400 path we'll see. 1:12:53.640 --> 1:12:56.640 You know, if it's eight be even part of parax. 1:12:56.680 --> 1:12:58.720 Well there you go. Yeah, so it's past seventy one, 1:12:58.760 --> 1:13:01.599 it is past every one. Yeah, that's not a bad 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:03.880 way to think about it. Actually, if they're really obsessed 1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:06.639 with score near Pa, just change the power. But then 1:13:06.880 --> 1:13:08.799 we're going to be growing because there's night pop offs. 1:13:10.000 --> 1:13:14.519 Well but is it a part five anymore? If to so, 1:13:14.680 --> 1:13:18.960 think about the definition two ideal shots from an expert player, 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:23.679 or how many ideal shots from an expert player plus 1:13:23.680 --> 1:13:25.960 two putts? 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:29.679 Yeah, well that that's a difficult definition. 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:32.639 Eighteen at Pebble, if you hit a great drive, gat 1:13:33.320 --> 1:13:35.519 not a four. But if you hit a great drive 1:13:35.520 --> 1:13:38.120 and great second shot, you're on the green, right, yes. 1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:42.599 So if on six at Pebble you hear a great drive, 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:46.200 great second shot, good say even good good drive, good 1:13:46.200 --> 1:13:49.200 second chat, you're on the green, right, yeah, so it's 1:13:49.240 --> 1:13:52.080 part four. That's what it was in nineteen eleven. 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:59.200 Six four definition of yeah, yeah, well it's interesting, but 1:13:59.520 --> 1:14:01.640 you're arguing it kind of kills itself because par it 1:14:01.680 --> 1:14:03.280 doesn't really matter anyway, right. 1:14:03.080 --> 1:14:05.320 Well it does. Then I'm just saying, if you're going 1:14:05.400 --> 1:14:07.839 to care about score it apart, then you got to adapt. 1:14:08.240 --> 1:14:10.720 And I've always traditionally done traditionally that's what they did, 1:14:10.840 --> 1:14:12.839 right They'd go to a normal course, pinching the fairways 1:14:12.840 --> 1:14:14.800 a little bit, turn a past eventy two and a 1:14:14.800 --> 1:14:17.080 past seventy and that was it. That's that was kind 1:14:17.120 --> 1:14:18.920 of their thing. And they just got so excited about 1:14:18.960 --> 1:14:21.400 how hard they made it that they just took it 1:14:21.439 --> 1:14:25.160 too far. Maybe sometimes what if you but but you 1:14:25.240 --> 1:14:27.200 say that if you look at the list of champions 1:14:27.200 --> 1:14:29.599 we've had, even through these controversy setups like Jordan speak 1:14:29.600 --> 1:14:31.760 winning at Chambers. Everyone thought that was a disaster. You 1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:33.120 give me the the best goal from the world at 1:14:33.120 --> 1:14:35.160 the time won and he beat Dustin Johnson, who was 1:14:35.840 --> 1:14:37.479 probably the other best golfer in the world at the time. 1:14:37.479 --> 1:14:40.519 Adam Scott was up there and Jason David they were 1:14:40.560 --> 1:14:43.320 all right there, right, Brooks has won twice in a row. 1:14:43.360 --> 1:14:45.439 He's clearly the best player in majors. So they're finding 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:49.200 the right champions. So say what we want that they're 1:14:49.240 --> 1:14:51.080 ticking my box and that they're letting the best player 1:14:51.120 --> 1:14:53.320 in the field show his skills, you know. 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:56.160 Yeah, and then yeah, like it already their early outreach 1:14:56.200 --> 1:14:58.000 today is like I was too soft and you look 1:14:58.040 --> 1:14:59.800 at the leader ports like then you get the best 1:15:00.200 --> 1:15:02.920 in the world at the top, Like you don't, Like 1:15:03.160 --> 1:15:05.840 I went to watch you know today and it's like 1:15:06.280 --> 1:15:08.200 you watch it, you hit a bad shot, Like it's 1:15:08.240 --> 1:15:10.840 gonna be really really really hard to make par you know, 1:15:11.120 --> 1:15:11.559 like you guts. 1:15:11.640 --> 1:15:14.679 Funny that people look at the score rather than the Nimes. Yeah, 1:15:14.840 --> 1:15:17.080 I think it is the Moors look at the names 1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:19.080 and Lightbow, not the Scooes all shooting. To me. 1:15:19.439 --> 1:15:21.920 Yeah, but and that's like the thing that drove me 1:15:22.080 --> 1:15:24.599 kind of crazy about Aaron Hills when everybody was going nuts, 1:15:24.760 --> 1:15:28.800 was like that Saturday was absolutely electric. You had j 1:15:29.000 --> 1:15:33.240 T make an like he made eagle on eighteen for 1:15:33.520 --> 1:15:36.320 I mean, he shot sixty three, Patrick Reid shot sixty five, 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:39.320 He hit nine greens. You know, he's just chipping in 1:15:39.439 --> 1:15:42.479 from everywhere making everything. Like you know, it's just an 1:15:42.600 --> 1:15:45.880 unbelievable round where you saw these guys just playing un 1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:49.000 I mean, Fleetwood had a crazy good round. Like it 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:51.280 was like all the greatest players in the world are 1:15:51.360 --> 1:15:55.120 having Like you're watching them do spectacular stuff and everybody's 1:15:55.160 --> 1:15:57.200 complaining because they're shooting low score. 1:15:57.040 --> 1:15:58.960 And I was just nonsense wrong. Yeah, Like, but that's 1:15:59.000 --> 1:16:00.840 part of it's almost on because if you go to 1:16:00.880 --> 1:16:04.120 a different venue every year, you can't get us to 1:16:04.120 --> 1:16:06.200 shoot the same score because we're just on different courses 1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:09.240 in different conditions. It should you should have low scoring 1:16:09.320 --> 1:16:11.000 years at high scoring years. I mean, it should go 1:16:11.240 --> 1:16:12.800 like that depending on where you go and what the 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:14.560 conditions and the weather have been. So we need to 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:18.240 golf fans collectively need to give the USGA a break 1:16:18.320 --> 1:16:20.559 on the score at least. Yeah. Well, I think it's 1:16:20.600 --> 1:16:22.120 like I need to get rid of it out of 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:23.519 their head too. I think they still have it in 1:16:23.560 --> 1:16:24.920 their head. I think a little bit of the score. 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:29.000 I think like the every venue should have their unique 1:16:29.080 --> 1:16:33.479 thing right, yeah, because like that's what the Open has. 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:37.360 The Open is unique and nobody ever cares or remembers 1:16:37.439 --> 1:16:40.240 the score that's been shot at the Open, and each 1:16:40.479 --> 1:16:42.920 venue is like necessary freakish score. 1:16:43.080 --> 1:16:45.599 They're kind of like unique little thing like well, at 1:16:45.760 --> 1:16:47.960 Troon you got to avoid all of the bunker like 1:16:48.040 --> 1:16:50.840 Truan on the Moon, you know, and then you've got Burkedale, 1:16:50.880 --> 1:16:53.360 which everybody's oh it's the bad, but it's it's much 1:16:53.479 --> 1:16:56.960 more of a standard task, like you know, everybody's got 1:16:57.360 --> 1:17:00.120 and like nobody cares that at the Old Court. So 1:17:00.120 --> 1:17:02.559 if somebody, if they win at eighteen hundred, you. 1:17:02.600 --> 1:17:05.720 Know, cares, well. I don't think many people care. No 1:17:05.760 --> 1:17:07.640 one goes away going oh they Open wasn't a real 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:09.560 tournam this year because I didn't under won the tournament, right, Like, 1:17:09.640 --> 1:17:12.360 no even think spect saying something on it. Yeah, it's funny. 1:17:13.200 --> 1:17:15.800 I don't know. My thought is just like par hasn't 1:17:15.840 --> 1:17:20.200 been adjusted for the modern game, and that's why they're 1:17:20.280 --> 1:17:23.360 having such problems with setup to protect par. 1:17:25.040 --> 1:17:28.240 Well, you can't do it with length. They've been trying 1:17:28.240 --> 1:17:29.400 to do it with length, and you can't do it 1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:31.680 with length, and you shouldn't do it by making the 1:17:31.720 --> 1:17:33.920 greens too fast, so the ball doesn't ever stop on 1:17:34.000 --> 1:17:37.840 a slope, right, So whatever else you can do, I guess, 1:17:38.160 --> 1:17:40.439 you know, and par is the easiest way to at 1:17:40.520 --> 1:17:42.080 least affect the number on the right hand side of 1:17:42.080 --> 1:17:42.920 the scoreboard. 1:17:43.120 --> 1:17:47.519 Yeah, if you're not going to regulate, if you you know, 1:17:47.960 --> 1:17:51.919 they didn't regulate the technology that allowed for mass distance, 1:17:52.400 --> 1:17:57.160 but they've regulated par where they don't allow power to move. Yeah, 1:17:57.520 --> 1:17:59.240 which is it doesn't make any sense. 1:18:00.320 --> 1:18:02.240 That's it's quite interesting, but it would be a shame 1:18:02.280 --> 1:18:06.599 if we lost great like Part five strategies and stuff, 1:18:06.640 --> 1:18:09.720 because everything just became a Part four. And see, I 1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:12.920 don't know if it's completely it's completely the same because 1:18:14.000 --> 1:18:18.000 two ideal shots. It's not the whole field that can 1:18:18.080 --> 1:18:20.280 hit two ideal shots on the eighteenth, you. 1:18:20.320 --> 1:18:24.759 Don't think so, No, everybody's hitting it past the tree. 1:18:26.439 --> 1:18:29.360 Well in this particular week. But if it goes two 1:18:29.479 --> 1:18:31.920 miles an hour into the wind and gets misty and foggy, 1:18:32.360 --> 1:18:34.880 no one in the field gets it there into so. 1:18:35.280 --> 1:18:39.080 You can't see. Because that that's a funny thing with Chambers. 1:18:39.120 --> 1:18:40.280 Remember when you can't say. 1:18:40.200 --> 1:18:42.840 It's an ideal driver. Three wood from two to sixty, right, 1:18:42.920 --> 1:18:45.080 it's got to be like a I think it has 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:48.800 to be a driver and an iron for pretty much 1:18:48.840 --> 1:18:50.200 everyone in the field for it to be a part 1:18:50.240 --> 1:18:53.639 four an iron, the longest iron three on drivers, three iron, 1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:56.599 that can be a part four for I'll pick on Zack. Yeah, 1:18:57.160 --> 1:19:00.280 Zach's in the bottom twenty percent of driving distanceably in 1:19:00.360 --> 1:19:03.040 the field. Okay, but I mean he may disagree. 1:19:05.320 --> 1:19:06.880 He's been working on as uh. 1:19:07.080 --> 1:19:12.800 You know, speak space. But it's a dissensible to ninety something, right, 1:19:13.439 --> 1:19:15.080 But the guy it's a two ninety something. He's not 1:19:15.160 --> 1:19:16.880 hitting an iron in the eighteenth of Pebble Beach. He's 1:19:16.920 --> 1:19:21.559 a three wood probably, yeah, maybe not maybe five wood. 1:19:22.000 --> 1:19:24.200 That's well, look at the shot. It is, though, there's 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:28.240 got to be some respect for the difficulty of the shot. 1:19:28.800 --> 1:19:31.240 See, it would be easier if you went half pars, 1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:35.479 because then if you made if you made eighteen eighteen 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:38.200 and six half pars and you were you're par seventy, 1:19:40.840 --> 1:19:44.160 how do you have a half par? I mean there's 1:19:44.280 --> 1:19:47.760 there's I mean, like I said, Pinehurst four and five 1:19:47.840 --> 1:19:49.759 when Core flipped the pars. 1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:52.439 Yeah, and they did Chambers in the tournament. Yeah, one 1:19:52.520 --> 1:19:53.120 in eighteen is. 1:19:53.120 --> 1:19:56.120 Four five four five, and people went nuts, couldn't You 1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:56.800 just didn't think it. 1:19:56.840 --> 1:19:58.240 Was that weird that that was one of the least 1:19:58.320 --> 1:20:00.960 weird things about Chambers. I think it was kind of 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:01.799 a little bit weird. 1:20:03.439 --> 1:20:05.800 Because you think about par you think about, oh, I 1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:06.880 mean birdie or boguey. 1:20:08.280 --> 1:20:10.000 I don't know, how do you make a power if 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:10.599 it's a half ba. 1:20:11.560 --> 1:20:13.519 But when you say you make a birdie on like 1:20:13.560 --> 1:20:16.920 a two forty par three, you walk off the green. 1:20:17.560 --> 1:20:19.240 In your head, you're kind of like, I got I 1:20:19.320 --> 1:20:22.120 got a little more on a shot there, right, Yeah, 1:20:23.120 --> 1:20:25.000 when you make a bogie on like a really hard 1:20:25.080 --> 1:20:29.519 part four, you think that way too, right, Yeah? Yeah, 1:20:29.640 --> 1:20:34.280 I don't know what about this idea, whatever the leader is, 1:20:35.120 --> 1:20:39.720 is that zero everyone else's PA, everyone else is not 1:20:39.920 --> 1:20:44.719 over par but just one four six. 1:20:47.280 --> 1:20:50.679 Well, certainly, like it's hard to mess with PA because 1:20:50.720 --> 1:20:53.639 it's the way of measuring someone's skull relative to everyone 1:20:53.680 --> 1:20:55.479 else at different points in the round, because that's not 1:20:55.600 --> 1:20:57.080 just wait till the end and you've had childred and 1:20:57.120 --> 1:20:59.080 seventy four shots sort of it like it's you need 1:20:59.120 --> 1:21:00.960 to be able to measure in the middle of a round. 1:21:03.520 --> 1:21:07.479 Maybe that would be a massive shift in golf scoring thinking. 1:21:08.640 --> 1:21:10.800 It would be I think, to a certain extent better 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:11.799 because it would show. 1:21:12.280 --> 1:21:13.880 It would be better if we didn't worry about past 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:16.120 so much. But power is so important for handicapping, right, 1:21:16.400 --> 1:21:17.040 so it. 1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:21.240 Would be standard though with everything across, like you'd see, oh, 1:21:21.360 --> 1:21:24.439 like he won by you know, like people would stop saying, oh, 1:21:24.600 --> 1:21:27.200 it was like what you said at the beginning. Like 1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:30.719 sometimes when it's you know, somebody shoots twenty two hunderd, 1:21:30.720 --> 1:21:31.839 it's still really challenging. 1:21:31.920 --> 1:21:32.320 It can be. 1:21:32.520 --> 1:21:34.080 Yeah, so if they wanted. 1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:39.200 Zero always, yeah, that guys it was at zero maybe, 1:21:39.360 --> 1:21:39.880 and it will. 1:21:39.760 --> 1:21:43.680 Show relative people, Yeah, start to judge relative performance more 1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:46.280 because like you know, I don't know, I'm trying to 1:21:46.360 --> 1:21:48.439 sell you on some Craig crack pot. 1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:50.599 I think golf's doing it. I think they just need 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:54.320 to just understand. Like last year, I think, I mean 1:21:54.360 --> 1:21:57.920 they're going to say that I don't know, they didn't 1:21:57.920 --> 1:21:59.599 do anything wrong and it just got either go unlucky. 1:21:59.640 --> 1:22:01.880 But they just have to say, well, sometimes we're going 1:22:01.920 --> 1:22:04.240 to shoot low these boys. You know, if we don't 1:22:04.240 --> 1:22:05.760 have the weather this week, or we didn't have the 1:22:06.120 --> 1:22:08.040 lead up weather, or we didn't get the course to 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:10.200 how we thought it could be as tough as well. 1:22:11.040 --> 1:22:12.960 That's what we go this week. Let's just make the 1:22:13.040 --> 1:22:15.280 best of it, and they shoot fifteen they shoot fifteen 1:22:15.360 --> 1:22:17.599 under and let that happen every now and then. When 1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:20.880 they can't make it really difficult. Sometimes it's easy, right, 1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:22.320 You got to openmond, you have to do anything. You 1:22:22.439 --> 1:22:25.200 just open the gates, and it's tough pineers and number 1:22:25.200 --> 1:22:27.360 two it's going to be the same. But sometimes you 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:29.120 come to pebbles sometimes and maybe it's been a little 1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:30.639 bit damp in spring. It's just going to be soft. 1:22:30.720 --> 1:22:32.080 It just is what it is, and guys are going 1:22:32.160 --> 1:22:34.360 to go low. That's all right though, right, Yeah, good 1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:36.439 players when the at and t great players when the 1:22:36.520 --> 1:22:38.960 eighteen t usually yeah, you know, so you're going to 1:22:39.000 --> 1:22:40.040 find a good champion anyway. 1:22:40.280 --> 1:22:42.639 I think what you said about like look at the leaderboard, 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:44.559 not the score, look at the names. 1:22:44.720 --> 1:22:48.760 Yeah, like that's the if you get the names. I mean, 1:22:48.800 --> 1:22:51.200 you can tell the guys people in golf who follow golf, 1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:56.840 they regardless of the world rankings, know the cream. You 1:22:56.920 --> 1:22:58.880 know who's playing well at the time, and the cream 1:22:58.960 --> 1:23:01.880 in that field. If the cream that field if the 1:23:02.439 --> 1:23:04.720 platform they're on or the course they're on allows the 1:23:04.800 --> 1:23:07.200 guys who are playing their best to be there at 1:23:07.200 --> 1:23:09.040 the end on Sunday, then it's a good setup. And 1:23:09.160 --> 1:23:13.680 that's that's what the Masters does. They almost always get 1:23:13.760 --> 1:23:16.920 everyone they should have in contention in contention deep on 1:23:17.000 --> 1:23:21.400 Sunday afternoon because the test that's presented is it's such 1:23:21.439 --> 1:23:24.400 a complete test that only the players playing really, really 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:27.280 well can pass that test. 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:29.400 Well. Yeah, and then like this year is a perfect example. 1:23:29.479 --> 1:23:32.800 It was a wet, warm week, you know, like not 1:23:33.120 --> 1:23:36.960 ideal for them, like conditioning wise, and then on Sunday 1:23:37.000 --> 1:23:40.040 you got Mulinarry would all that. 1:23:40.280 --> 1:23:42.519 Every pre tournament favorites opt for Rory is like they're 1:23:42.800 --> 1:23:45.000 really in contention, you know. And it seems to happen 1:23:45.080 --> 1:23:47.519 every year. So it doesn't really matter the score that is. 1:23:47.640 --> 1:23:50.400 It just matters that the players playing their best are 1:23:50.479 --> 1:23:53.280 given the kind of platform that allows them to show 1:23:53.320 --> 1:23:56.000 their skills, you know, and that doesn't always have sometimes, 1:23:56.040 --> 1:23:58.040 I'm not saying in US Opens, but sometimes we have 1:23:58.160 --> 1:24:01.360 tournaments that really lay on like it's all about to 1:24:01.400 --> 1:24:03.640 go who parts well? See Beth Page. I think is 1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:05.639 a little bit one dimensional in that you just can't 1:24:05.680 --> 1:24:07.040 do it unless you fly it a really long way 1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:09.840 in the air, which is a massive part of being 1:24:09.880 --> 1:24:11.280 one of the best players in the world, right, But 1:24:11.400 --> 1:24:13.960 it's not probably the complete test that you could get 1:24:14.000 --> 1:24:16.680 at the Masters, which is massive on distance, but it's 1:24:16.680 --> 1:24:18.439 also massive on strategy and short game. 1:24:18.520 --> 1:24:21.080 And I mean, think about if Spith had gained ten 1:24:21.200 --> 1:24:23.960 shots or eleven charts like he did at beth Page 1:24:24.560 --> 1:24:27.920 and at the Masters, like on the greens he has 1:24:27.960 --> 1:24:31.120 one of the historically unbelievable putting me. Yeah, and he 1:24:31.280 --> 1:24:35.040 was what six shots behind Brooks, Yeah, no chance. 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:38.040 Yeah, no chance. It was well, certainly much more difficult, 1:24:38.120 --> 1:24:40.160 and like there's a there's probably a time for that test, 1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:43.160 you know, just like there's the time for the tiny, little, small, 1:24:43.920 --> 1:24:47.200 bouncy narrow test. You know, there's a time horrible yeah, 1:24:47.240 --> 1:24:49.760 Harbortown style test, well, the Marian kind of deal, you know. 1:24:53.000 --> 1:24:54.800 But as long as the best, the guys who are 1:24:54.800 --> 1:24:59.880 playing their best are kind of given that opportunity to shine, 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:02.400 I think you know you've got it right. I don't 1:25:02.400 --> 1:25:04.960 think the score matters then, And the best tournaments always 1:25:05.000 --> 1:25:09.519 had the the best leaderboards, the best setup, So the 1:25:09.560 --> 1:25:11.599 best golf course setups always have the best leader boards, 1:25:12.439 --> 1:25:13.720 and they're the final ones to watch. The other ones 1:25:13.760 --> 1:25:15.160 we want to watch. We want to watch number one 1:25:15.200 --> 1:25:19.360 versus number three, number versus number seven versus whoever else. 1:25:19.360 --> 1:25:21.200 You know, we always want to watch our heroes. 1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:26.920 Yeah, that's the most memorable ones. Yeah, no, very remember that. 1:25:27.640 --> 1:25:30.160 I don't know some people remember the other ones, but 1:25:30.520 --> 1:25:33.920 you know you remember Jack versus Watson Dull in the. 1:25:33.920 --> 1:25:36.240 Sun, Yeah, and like and that Obviously that was rock 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:38.360 hard that week, and it allowed the two best players 1:25:38.360 --> 1:25:40.439 in the world at that time showcased that there was 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:42.680 so much better than third at that moment. You know. 1:25:42.920 --> 1:25:45.439 It was a bit like Hendrick can Fiel. It true, 1:25:45.439 --> 1:25:48.439 and it was obviously very playable that week if you 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:52.160 were playing like them. If you weren't, it was completely impossible, right, 1:25:52.240 --> 1:25:55.160 So it allowed perfect It's a perfect setup. That was 1:25:55.200 --> 1:25:57.080 absolutely magic, and who doesn't that was one of the 1:25:57.120 --> 1:25:58.599 best weekends of golf to ever watch. 1:25:59.160 --> 1:26:02.280 Yeah, I always will remember that one. 1:26:02.560 --> 1:26:05.120 Yeah, that course it's naturally tough. You don't have to 1:26:05.160 --> 1:26:06.960 do anything, true, all. 1:26:06.920 --> 1:26:10.559 Right, we're gonna wrap it. I don't know, I don't 1:26:10.600 --> 1:26:13.160 need to give you any more of my theories it's 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:16.639 enough for a day. But thanks for coming on. Who 1:26:16.720 --> 1:26:20.879 you are, who you taking. We're midway through round one. 1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:23.240 So well. I was picking Jordan before the week, but. 1:26:25.000 --> 1:26:26.519 We got to get a leaderboard up to eight. 1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:33.120 Here, we're gonna get an update. Xander is interesting, Xander's 1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:35.760 Xander look good. I think Louis. I always liked Louis. 1:26:35.760 --> 1:26:38.040 If Louis gets down deep in the tournament, he's more 1:26:38.080 --> 1:26:42.559 competitive than people know, and he is. He's got every. 1:26:42.400 --> 1:26:43.960 Show, the Grand Slam runner up. 1:26:44.280 --> 1:26:45.960 Yeah, he's got the Grand Slam runner up. He's a 1:26:46.000 --> 1:26:49.000 big he's a big time performance. Let's go for Louis. 1:26:49.840 --> 1:26:54.200 Yeah, all right, I got I took Dustin, but he's even. 1:26:54.240 --> 1:26:55.439 He's already five shots back. 1:26:57.160 --> 1:26:59.600 Dustin at Pebbles always gonna be there and nothing. 1:27:03.280 --> 1:27:16.400 Pros prosident. The Boston story instant, the Baston consist papers,