Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Big Money Energy.
Speaker 1: As you know, on this podcast, I'm talking with super
Speaker 1: successful and self made people to learn exactly how they
Speaker 1: did it, how they went from nothing to something, covering
Speaker 1: all their intimate stories, their path to success, and how
Speaker 1: they overcame obstacles on the way. And specifically, though, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be talking to people who not only have Big
Speaker 1: Money Energy, but those who understand what it means to
Speaker 1: wake up and actually get things done. And today we're
Speaker 1: talking to j Shedding. So if you care about the
Speaker 1: power of wisdom, if you care about how money is energy,
Speaker 1: and if you want to know what it's like to
Speaker 1: live like a monk and more importantly, to think like
Speaker 1: a monk so that you can find true happiness and
Speaker 1: peace and cut through all the bullshit that we have
Speaker 1: to deal with in life and all the pain and
Speaker 1: all the anxiety that we deal with. And all you
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs who are listening right now, you better stay on
Speaker 1: this episode because it is going to completely blow your mind.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode. To day is a very very
Speaker 1: special day because I'm sitting down with none other than
Speaker 1: the Jay Chetty Jay. Thank you so much, for coming
Speaker 1: in Ryan, thanks for having me. This is awesome. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: if you don't know JT is, then you probably don't
Speaker 1: have a phone or a computer. You're definitely not on Facebook.
Speaker 1: You probably don't read books. Um, you might not even
Speaker 1: have a pulse. I don't know, but I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: JT is an Indian British internet personality, podcast or author,
Speaker 1: award winning storytelling He's a former monk, which I find
Speaker 1: really interesting, and he has a lot more patients than
Speaker 1: I ever will have. He's interviewed some of the most
Speaker 1: amazing people in the world, like Deepack Chopra, Russell Brand.
Speaker 1: He has been on the Ellen Degeneras show Forbes thirty
Speaker 1: Under thirty Total game Changer. Get a video on Facebook
Speaker 1: that was watched by three d and sixty million people.
Speaker 1: Were you naked and dance? You know I've seen the video, Yes,
Speaker 1: and dancing with Will Smith. That is what you need
Speaker 1: and Ellen, right, that what you gotta do. I want
Speaker 1: to know how you create some of the greatest content
Speaker 1: in the world. And overall you have an insane amount
Speaker 1: of energy, which I really really care about. And I
Speaker 1: think in the world there are two types of people.
Speaker 1: You know, everyone can be a hard worker. Everyone could
Speaker 1: be good or bad, but you either wake up every
Speaker 1: day determined to get ship done and have great energy,
Speaker 1: or you don't. You're either making things happen or you're
Speaker 1: waiting for things to happen. And you are kind of
Speaker 1: like the pinnacle of somebody who's made things happen, starting
Speaker 1: from when you were probably a little kid, right and
Speaker 1: going all the way into when you traveled around the
Speaker 1: world and your journey and even just being a monk.
Speaker 1: So the first question I have for you, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to think about how I was going to
Speaker 1: start this because I have like fifty questions for you.
Speaker 1: One New York versus l A, New York versus l A. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which one? L A? Get out? I lived in New
Speaker 1: York for two years. I loved it. It was very
Speaker 1: good to me. I've lived in l A for two years.
Speaker 1: I loved it. It's very good to me. I prefer
Speaker 1: like I grew up in London. I'm used to gray
Speaker 1: skies rain, it's raining today exactly, and from my cool
Speaker 1: the Little Brewery. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm very happy
Speaker 1: at l A. I love New York. I love visiting.
Speaker 1: It feels like home. I love the people here. It's great.
Speaker 1: But l a LA's home. Where did you live in
Speaker 1: New York when you lived here? I lived in Street
Speaker 1: between First and Second. Interesting location, Yeah, definitely, first time
Speaker 1: New Yorker to pick that location. I had no idea
Speaker 1: I moved to New York. I think I'd come here
Speaker 1: once with my family when I was like sixteen years old.
Speaker 1: I've never been back since. And then I had a
Speaker 1: real toist show me around. And I worked for the
Speaker 1: Huffingham Post when I moved here, and so I wanted
Speaker 1: to be close to the offices and the offices of
Speaker 1: seven seventy Broadway. So I was trying to be close
Speaker 1: to this so I could walk there, because that was
Speaker 1: the easiest thing I could think of. So it was
Speaker 1: very strategically chosen. Always. My first apartment was chosen where
Speaker 1: I could be on top of every single train, and
Speaker 1: I lived in Koreatown right on thirty first and Broadway,
Speaker 1: and it was I want to be able to walk
Speaker 1: outside my door and get to any apartment, showing that
Speaker 1: I could. Nice. How did your realtor do though, By
Speaker 1: the way, I think they did pretty well. Except when
Speaker 1: I moved to New York. For I believe it was
Speaker 1: about a month. I had to live out of hotels
Speaker 1: because my apartment wasn't ready and I was I mean,
Speaker 1: I was struggling, So I literally would check the hotel
Speaker 1: prices every day to get the lowest price. So I
Speaker 1: was shifting hotels like three times a week, so I
Speaker 1: got paying sixty five dollars a night to fifty dollars
Speaker 1: a night to like seventy dollars, and and I kept
Speaker 1: trying to shift, so I had to switch hotels multiple
Speaker 1: times per week for a month. Huffington Post page you
Speaker 1: more money. So is that what brought you to New York?
Speaker 1: That's what brought me to New York. I'm really grateful
Speaker 1: Ariana Huffington and the team at Half Post at the
Speaker 1: time they got my visa, they brought me over. They've
Speaker 1: seen my videos and they wanted me to create the
Speaker 1: same content for Half Post. It exposed me to this
Speaker 1: incredible world that's out here and really kicked off my journey.
Speaker 1: And so you credit those relationships and that platform to
Speaker 1: where you are today or definitely as a first tipping point.
Speaker 1: I think in everyone's life, and you've probably seen this
Speaker 1: in yours too, Like everyone has multiple tipping points in
Speaker 1: their life, and so there were tipping points before that.
Speaker 1: That was a really important tipping point from a content
Speaker 1: creator standpoint, and they're like, you know, meeting Ellen year
Speaker 1: was a huge tipping point as well, like going on
Speaker 1: Red Table Talk and doing stuff with Will Smith this year.
Speaker 1: It was a huge tipping point. So I feel like
Speaker 1: you always have more tipping points, and I think I'm
Speaker 1: grateful to anyone who's been a tipping point and everything
Speaker 1: in between, because guess what, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people who led to that big tipping point, and so
Speaker 1: I think you gotta be very careful to not forget
Speaker 1: the in between us, because the in between us can
Speaker 1: often be forgotten and left behind. You've built a massive brand,
Speaker 1: right that's known around the world through creating content. What
Speaker 1: was your first piece of content you ever made? You Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I do it as a video content or
Speaker 1: content period. Video content. Okay, so video content was I
Speaker 1: made a video called three Lessons from the Bugged geta
Speaker 1: Now that's the book that I talked about in this book. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that was my first video, and think like among
Speaker 1: the first ever video I made was called three Lessons
Speaker 1: from the Bugged to the bugged Geta is the one
Speaker 1: of the oldest most spiritual wisdom texts in the world.
Speaker 1: It's based out of India. It's five thousand years old.
Speaker 1: And so I made this video and I have loaded
Speaker 1: onto you Tube on third jan and I still remember
Speaker 1: it really, really well, and I was refreshing. I was
Speaker 1: refreshing away and I'd made it like three days before that,
Speaker 1: right like, I filmed it, edited it, shot it all myself.
Speaker 1: With my team was my friend who was a videographer
Speaker 1: in London. We were just out in London on the streets.
Speaker 1: I think we were out on like we still trying
Speaker 1: to remember if it was New Year's Day or New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve, but all I remember probably News day because
Speaker 1: the streets of London were empty. We could shoot in
Speaker 1: any location. This was probably guerrilla style. We had no
Speaker 1: permits or no license. We were just we were just
Speaker 1: shooting next like Saint Paul's Cathedral and London Bridge and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And we put the video out there
Speaker 1: and I remember seeing the views go up and then
Speaker 1: I realized I was just refreshing and watching video, and
Speaker 1: then probably my mom was doing the same and I
Speaker 1: was trying to get all my friends to see and
Speaker 1: I think it did. I think my first video did
Speaker 1: like five thousand views in twenty four hours, and so
Speaker 1: it wasn't bad at all, but it was you know,
Speaker 1: it was just consistency, perseverance, and and a lot of
Speaker 1: negative feedback initially too. You know, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are just like you talked too fast,
Speaker 1: you know, or maybe you need edit a bit better,
Speaker 1: or maybe the music is a bit off. And I
Speaker 1: used to get a lot of that, and I took
Speaker 1: all of it in that I could, and at the
Speaker 1: same time, I was like, I'm not listening to that
Speaker 1: bit because you know, that doesn't make sense, and I
Speaker 1: had to try and find my way. What did your
Speaker 1: parents think of it when I started making videos? Yeah,
Speaker 1: your first video. I don't think my parents even kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't even have an opinion. I don't think it
Speaker 1: was like a thing. They didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 1: They didn't think it was good or bad. I don't
Speaker 1: think they even watched it. Yeah, I don't think they
Speaker 1: can at the time. So if I remember my mom
Speaker 1: when Millionaire Listening first came out Bravo, my mom called
Speaker 1: me after the first episode. I was like, what do
Speaker 1: you think what do you think? She's like, well, let
Speaker 1: me just say the things that you think are funny
Speaker 1: are not funny to other people, and that like, I
Speaker 1: will never forget that because it was kind of like
Speaker 1: a like she was like smacking me down, but it
Speaker 1: was kind of a compliment because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I am funny on there, but then it wasn't.
Speaker 1: And then I could see kind of what you were saying,
Speaker 1: like some people thought, you know, some people have a
Speaker 1: sense of humor. Some people don't have a sense of humor.
Speaker 1: Um and it's funny, like people in my mom's uh
Speaker 1: demographic did not think everything that I thought. Have you
Speaker 1: kept making those jokes? Have you kept in you know what?
Speaker 1: To be honest, it's interesting once you start seeing yourself
Speaker 1: on television or you make content, you see what people's
Speaker 1: feedback is. And I don't care what anybody says. It
Speaker 1: does affect you. You do you realize, like, oh, I
Speaker 1: should probably carry myself in a way that that doesn't
Speaker 1: derive insanely negative hate. You know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: say anything offensive, so I'm not going to totally filter myself,
Speaker 1: but let me think things through just a little bit. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I don't know have you thought about that at all?
Speaker 1: Do you do you do content with a filter or
Speaker 1: no filter? I mean, when I started creating content, we
Speaker 1: do a lot of different styles of content, so I
Speaker 1: think there's different styles. So I have a series called
Speaker 1: Inside the Mind on YouTube, which is very much behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, follow me around. It's it's super open transfer exactly.
Speaker 1: And then and then I've got content that is scripted
Speaker 1: and costed and really created so that people can have
Speaker 1: a really amazing experience. Now, when I started making content,
Speaker 1: I had no idea that we were ever going to
Speaker 1: hit a million views, let around billions of views, And
Speaker 1: so for me, I was just sharing my message to
Speaker 1: help the world, like you said, and serve the world
Speaker 1: in any way, I thought, And I'm doing the same
Speaker 1: thing now. I don't see it's that's different. But my
Speaker 1: big goal when I'm creating a piece of content is
Speaker 1: how is someone going to feel after watching this? Like
Speaker 1: That's the number one question I asked myself. It's how
Speaker 1: I feel about every podcast, every video. How is someone
Speaker 1: going to feel And if they're not going to feel uplifted,
Speaker 1: if they're not going to feel like they've learned something,
Speaker 1: if they're not going to feel motivated or amped. Then
Speaker 1: for me, I'm like, Okay, well I'm doing something wrong here.
Speaker 1: Why do you care so much? Why do I care
Speaker 1: so much? Like? Why, I that's a real question. Why, absolutely,
Speaker 1: why do you care about what people feel? Not just
Speaker 1: to create good content then gets good views? Right, Because
Speaker 1: in the influencer world that we live in, you know you,
Speaker 1: we live by view counts is what it is. But
Speaker 1: why why are you making videos that are that you
Speaker 1: that change people's lives. Why are you making videos that
Speaker 1: are influential for people? Why don't you just do vlog
Speaker 1: type stuff? Put stuff out there, let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: Like why do you care so much about other people?
Speaker 1: I think when you come across something in your life
Speaker 1: that you think transform your life and was extremely valuable,
Speaker 1: I feel like you have a responsibility and a sense
Speaker 1: of compassion to want to pass it on. And I
Speaker 1: think we're the same as humans with everything. Like if
Speaker 1: you saw the best movie in the world this week,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you'd be recommending it to You are your friends.
Speaker 1: If you've just heard a new album or discovered a
Speaker 1: new artists on Spotify, you're gonna tell everyone it just
Speaker 1: so happened that the artist I met was a monk, right, So,
Speaker 1: and I talk about the experience in this in the
Speaker 1: book Think like a Monk, where for me meeting a monk,
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things like I met someone
Speaker 1: who I believed had the habits, the routines, the lifestyle,
Speaker 1: the thoughts, the ideas that transform my life, and I
Speaker 1: really believe they have and I feel it's a responsibility
Speaker 1: to pass them on because I see people suffering. I
Speaker 1: see people making decisions and then regretting them. I see
Speaker 1: people getting thirty years in a career and then feeling dissatisfied.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that can all be avoided, or at
Speaker 1: least if it can't be avoided, it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be as painful as it seems. And so if we
Speaker 1: can do that in the same ways, I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: helping people find real estate quicker and easier and making
Speaker 1: it simple. It's like all of us are solving a problem.
Speaker 1: And for me, if you've got some good advice, you've
Speaker 1: had a good experience, it's your job to pass it on.
Speaker 1: And that's all I'm trying to do. What was your
Speaker 1: first impression of the monk, tell me about the monk.
Speaker 1: So my first impression was, here's a guy with a
Speaker 1: thick Indian accent and he's wearing robes, he's got a
Speaker 1: shaved head. He does not look cool, he's not trendy.
Speaker 1: There's nothing about him that's attractive. I'm going to get
Speaker 1: really bored in this speech. I'm going to go to
Speaker 1: a bar afterwards and it's going to be great and
Speaker 1: I've just got to sit through while my friends go
Speaker 1: through this pain, right, Like that's my first experience because
Speaker 1: I'm a kid growing up in London who thinks he's
Speaker 1: really cool, listens to rap music. I was eighteen, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm like the best thing ever. And what
Speaker 1: am I going to learn from? Like some monk who
Speaker 1: went from nothing to nothing? And you know, like what's
Speaker 1: he going to teach me? And that's what I love
Speaker 1: about writing this book now, is I was the person
Speaker 1: who looked at that monk and looked at it probably
Speaker 1: even this title, and what am I going to learn
Speaker 1: from this book? What am I going to learn? And
Speaker 1: it's like that's skepticism that it's so ironic when you
Speaker 1: take that skepticism and it gets turned into like this
Speaker 1: amazing belief system where you're like, oh wow, Like I
Speaker 1: learned so much from that one hour that he spoke
Speaker 1: that I was so inspired that I was almost surrounding
Speaker 1: him like he was the CEO of Apple or something,
Speaker 1: and wanting to shadow him and spend time with him.
Speaker 1: And I think this is just a lesson that I
Speaker 1: feel for anyone and everyone. It's like when you get
Speaker 1: in I'm sure there's a ton of people who approach you,
Speaker 1: are inspired by the work you do and would love
Speaker 1: to spend time with you. But maybe they're not saying
Speaker 1: the right thing, maybe they're not doing the right thing,
Speaker 1: maybe they're not getting the access because someone else had
Speaker 1: a better way of getting through to you. And for me,
Speaker 1: I was doing the same as wanting to shadow this monk.
Speaker 1: I I would just believe that he had something that
Speaker 1: I'd never seen someone have, which was joy, which was happiness,
Speaker 1: which was genuine authenticity of just say that authentic joy,
Speaker 1: just authentic joy of just like fake not fake. I
Speaker 1: mean he's wearing saffron orange robes in the middle of
Speaker 1: a university and and speaking so comfortably without any like
Speaker 1: inhibition that he's being judged by a bunch of London
Speaker 1: kids who think that they're really cool, and he's just
Speaker 1: so effortless, and I'm like, why why am I not
Speaker 1: like that? Right? And so that's what attracted me to him.
Speaker 1: So what was your journey with him after that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I took the very bold move of saying, I'm
Speaker 1: going to spend all of my summer vacations, half of
Speaker 1: them interning at corporate companies in London, because that's what
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to do. And so I
Speaker 1: was at financial companies and corporate companies doing analyst roles
Speaker 1: or whatever, regular stuff or fairly successful regular stuff for
Speaker 1: regular stuff. And I'd spend the other half of my
Speaker 1: summer vacations living with him in India's a monk. So
Speaker 1: I'd literally go from suits as you do, yes, suits,
Speaker 1: steak houses and bars and doing the full works. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to test eats lifestyle to
Speaker 1: its lifestyle to it's extreme, because to me, that's the
Speaker 1: that's what the joy of life comes from. I don't
Speaker 1: think you ever have fun in life when you do
Speaker 1: something in a mediocre, halfhearted, in the middle kind of way, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like you have to dive deep. It's like
Speaker 1: you know the analogies that was given of the ocean, like,
Speaker 1: if you really want to see the beauty of the ocean,
Speaker 1: you've got to go deep. On the surface, all you're
Speaker 1: gonna see is like some little fish and some random colors.
Speaker 1: But if you go deep, you'll see more. And so
Speaker 1: for me, I've always been that way. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I'm going to be the best finance
Speaker 1: person in London, and then I'm gonna be the best
Speaker 1: monk in India, and I'm going to test which one works.
Speaker 1: And then I found out very quickly that you don't
Speaker 1: become the best monk, and I didn't necessarily become the
Speaker 1: best finance person in London, but I went through that
Speaker 1: process of testing, and after three years of doing that,
Speaker 1: in my breaks, I realized that I found the life
Speaker 1: of a monk more attractive. But I had genuinely done
Speaker 1: the test. And the reason it was more attractive is
Speaker 1: because I felt that I was actually useful to humanity.
Speaker 1: We weren't just sitting there all day doing nothing. We
Speaker 1: were serving the homeless, we were helping young children, we
Speaker 1: were helping the needy, we were doing service out in
Speaker 1: the world. And I thought, wow, this is the best
Speaker 1: use of my skills, This is the best use of
Speaker 1: my abilities. And when I'd come home from working a
Speaker 1: long day in a company, I just feel hungry, tired, bored,
Speaker 1: d energized and drained, and I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to feel like that. Every time I'd come back
Speaker 1: from the ushroom, I'd feel like I've found my purpose.
Speaker 1: How did that affect your relationship to material goods? Though?
Speaker 1: And too money into success? How do you go from
Speaker 1: London banking world to living with the monk too, coming
Speaker 1: back to London and then going to New York and
Speaker 1: they go in to l a and still having to
Speaker 1: make money and create content for a living and write
Speaker 1: a book and do the tours and all the things
Speaker 1: you do. How are you okay with that? Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: And I think when I first came back, it took
Speaker 1: so much time to reintegrate and to recalibrate, like what
Speaker 1: my mind said about these things. So I've learned this
Speaker 1: beautiful principle as a monk, which I think I've got to.
Speaker 1: I've had an opportunity to play with an experiment with
Speaker 1: more since leaving, So we learned about how nothing is
Speaker 1: inherently good or bad. It's given a it's given meaning
Speaker 1: and purpose by how you use it. So we know
Speaker 1: that right this microphone, it's it's inherently neutral. It's not
Speaker 1: good or bad. Right. You can either speech hate, abuse
Speaker 1: and violence and race is them, or we can use
Speaker 1: it for talking about what me and you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And that's a choice. And so similarly, I think we've
Speaker 1: either tried to idolize or demonize things. Money is one
Speaker 1: of them. People either idolize it or they demonize it.
Speaker 1: So they go, oh, money is everything, Money is god,
Speaker 1: Money will change your life. And then the other option
Speaker 1: is no, No, money is evil. Money will make you bad.
Speaker 1: If you're rich, you stab people in the back. And
Speaker 1: so we're very good at as humans is labeling stuff
Speaker 1: as idolized or demonizers, and actually it's neutral. It's totally
Speaker 1: what you do it. Then that's why I love the
Speaker 1: title of your podcast, Big Money Energy, because from a
Speaker 1: spiritual monk perspective, money is energy, bloody is editing. There
Speaker 1: we go and you're already thinking like a monk. Oh Man,
Speaker 1: I had no idea, but money is energy, and and
Speaker 1: serve money is energy. Are we using that energy for good?
Speaker 1: Are we using that energy for bad and I think
Speaker 1: when you can live in that way, And in the book,
Speaker 1: I talk about three relationships you can have with money.
Speaker 1: So you can either have a selfish relationship, you can
Speaker 1: have a sufficient and see relationship, or you can have
Speaker 1: a service relationship. Simple selfish. We know what that feels like.
Speaker 1: It's all about me. Money is for me. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna get really greedy and rich and supposedly it's gonna
Speaker 1: make me happy. We know that doesn't work. Sufficiency, I've
Speaker 1: got enough. I don't need more, but I've got enough
Speaker 1: for me and taking care of the two people I
Speaker 1: take care of, I don't care about anyone else. And
Speaker 1: then service, I don't mind having more if it helps
Speaker 1: me serve, and and I don't mind creating more opportunity
Speaker 1: if it helps me serve. And so for me the
Speaker 1: way I've been able to do it, And it took
Speaker 1: me a while because I grew up in a family
Speaker 1: where we always said we had just enough money, and
Speaker 1: so the mindset was always like the amount of times
Speaker 1: in my teens where I had zero in my bank
Speaker 1: account because I had just enough. It was just enough
Speaker 1: to make the purchase and then I'll be back at
Speaker 1: zero again, and I realized I was like, that's just
Speaker 1: not a healthy relationship with anything. It's like me saying
Speaker 1: I have just enough love for my family. I have
Speaker 1: just enough love for my wife. That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Just enough gas, exactly, just enough gas, great example. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like just enough, and I have just enough data. I
Speaker 1: have just enough. No one wants just enough. And so
Speaker 1: I had to really remold my relationship with money and
Speaker 1: with success and with achievements to realize I was simply
Speaker 1: an instrument, to realize that I was doing it for service.
Speaker 1: And guess what, Hey, I'm not pure, like I'm not
Speaker 1: saying of my life is just lift for others. I
Speaker 1: need significance. I need to feel like I matter. I
Speaker 1: need to feel like I'm making a difference. Those are
Speaker 1: all personal things that I need. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: engage them in a way that is helpful to other people.
Speaker 1: But you also seem like somebody who's not okay with
Speaker 1: just being okay. And you have that energy. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: energy is tied to money, or to faith, or just
Speaker 1: to your your ability to wake up and make things happen. Yeah. Absolutely, well.
Speaker 1: I think I think we die when we don't learn
Speaker 1: like I think you just I think you can just
Speaker 1: die early because you're not growing, you're not learning, you're
Speaker 1: not moving. And therefore we were just talking about it
Speaker 1: just now, actually over lunched, me and Matt were talking
Speaker 1: about it that it's not so much about a number
Speaker 1: like I've never had. Someone always says to me, like,
Speaker 1: when what's the number of books you want to sell?
Speaker 1: What's the number that you want to reach fund? I
Speaker 1: actually never had a number. What I know is that
Speaker 1: I want to wake up and do everything within my
Speaker 1: reach to do what I'm trying to do. And if
Speaker 1: I've done that, and when I say everything, I mean everything,
Speaker 1: like have I really gone to every corner of the world?
Speaker 1: Have I really tried to touch and help every single
Speaker 1: person I possibly can? If I've done that, then I'm satisfied.
Speaker 1: And that's that's my personal metric of am I doing
Speaker 1: my best? Have you ever failed at anything? Or loads? Man?
Speaker 1: What's your relationship with failing? So many? I've had so
Speaker 1: many times, Like I literally I talked about this when
Speaker 1: I when I came back from living as a monk,
Speaker 1: surprise surprise, forty companies rejected me. Right for I'm really
Speaker 1: grateful to them that they did that, but forty companies
Speaker 1: said no because guess what my resume said, monk for
Speaker 1: three years? Like, what's your trumps errable skills? Silence? Like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like it's like, what's what's
Speaker 1: your transferable skills? You can sit around for like eight
Speaker 1: hours of it and think like a monk. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about how monks, scientifically, and there's a ton of science
Speaker 1: in scientifically have the happiest, car missed, and most focused
Speaker 1: brains on the planet of any human. There's been studies
Speaker 1: done on countless humans. Monks and meditators have healthier, happier,
Speaker 1: calmer brains. Who doesn't want to be healthier, happy, and
Speaker 1: more focused, But they don't get to do anything. No,
Speaker 1: they do. That's the point we do. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: why thinking like I'm on, you don't have to live
Speaker 1: like one. And that's my point that we get to
Speaker 1: use all of that to actually make an impact, making
Speaker 1: grow our businesses, whatever we want to do. We can
Speaker 1: all do that. And you meditate every day. I meditate
Speaker 1: every single day. Yeah. I meditated every single day since
Speaker 1: I was eighteen years old, for two hours a day,
Speaker 1: So that hasn't changed. When do you do that? Usually
Speaker 1: in the morning, but I travel a lot, so it
Speaker 1: becomes flexible. So I wake up about six every day.
Speaker 1: I meditate from about six thirty two about thirty. That's
Speaker 1: usually my time, but I missed that sometimes, so I'll
Speaker 1: do an hour in the morning and an hour in
Speaker 1: the evening, and nowadays, like it could be splurv in
Speaker 1: the thirty minutes slots because my life is just changing
Speaker 1: all the time. So just give a speech about stress
Speaker 1: and anxiety and it's thinking like a monk. Obviously, common
Speaker 1: sense would say that you know, if you were at
Speaker 1: peace in your mind and at peace with your body,
Speaker 1: then you stress and anxiety can just be something that
Speaker 1: I guess comes and goes. Yeah, well see, look, no
Speaker 1: one can avoid stress and anxiety. But what the Moong
Speaker 1: mindset does is you actually just deal with stress anxiety
Speaker 1: for less time. So one of my favorite examples in
Speaker 1: productive Yeah, and you've probably heard about this before. Exactly
Speaker 1: there you are, So you've probably heard about this before,
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you've heard of Roger Banister
Speaker 1: in the four minute mile. So up until like I
Speaker 1: think it's like the eighteen fifties to nineteen fifty four,
Speaker 1: there was no one had broken running a mile in
Speaker 1: less than four minutes. For a hundred and four years,
Speaker 1: no one broke that record. Super fact. Roger Banister comes
Speaker 1: into and he breaks the four minute mile. He runs
Speaker 1: it in three minutes whatever, like just underneath, and since
Speaker 1: that day, everyone broke his record. And it's that kind
Speaker 1: of thing of like, you may never get rid of
Speaker 1: stress and anxiety, but before you stressed out for seven days,
Speaker 1: Now you stress out for one day. Now you stress
Speaker 1: out for one hour. Because now you just stress for
Speaker 1: one minute, it becomes relative totally, and you've become able
Speaker 1: to actually process and reflect. So one of our biggest
Speaker 1: mistakes with stress and pressure is we just keep moving
Speaker 1: and pushing. And one of my favorite examples of this
Speaker 1: is just like, you're married, so you know what this
Speaker 1: is like, and I'm guessing, I don't know who's more
Speaker 1: ambitious or driven out of you and your wife. You're
Speaker 1: very ambitious and driven, but she could be more driven.
Speaker 1: How many times, like, how many times do you feel
Speaker 1: like you just need to grab their hands or their
Speaker 1: shoulders or whatever it is. Anyone who's listening and watching
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. And you just go.
Speaker 1: I need you to slow down so I can just
Speaker 1: talk to you so that we can just sound like
Speaker 1: my wife. Can that do? I? Yeah, great moment right there,
Speaker 1: her eyes. I was gonna hold your hands too, but
Speaker 1: I'm at ten pm and I'm like, what what? What? What?
Speaker 1: What do you want to talk about? Yeah? Yeah, everything,
Speaker 1: everything's fine, Everything's fine. I got exactly. And that's so
Speaker 1: that exactly that is happening with our mind and body.
Speaker 1: Our mind and body is stressing out to hold your
Speaker 1: hands and just say hey, I need to talk to you,
Speaker 1: and we go. No, No, I'm busy right now. I
Speaker 1: can't listen to you right now. I'm so busy. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna keep moving. And so when you meditate, when
Speaker 1: you're still, when you take a moment, that's allowing your
Speaker 1: mind and body to actually go to this is what
Speaker 1: you're stressed about. This is how to deal with it,
Speaker 1: take care of it, and actually you can be more
Speaker 1: productive otherwise we can't hear that voice in all the
Speaker 1: noise of rushing around, right like, it just doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: for sure. Tell me about a time maybe when you
Speaker 1: didn't have all this confidence and this courage that I
Speaker 1: see sitting in front of me right now, bright eyed
Speaker 1: and awesome and full of energy. Do you even remember
Speaker 1: a time like that? He loads loads of times. The
Speaker 1: best one that I can give the example of when
Speaker 1: I just came back from living as a monk. So
Speaker 1: when I came back from India, came back from the ushroom,
Speaker 1: and I moved back in with my parents, it was
Speaker 1: probably the most depressive time of my life. This is
Speaker 1: it's seven years ago, so it's not that long ago
Speaker 1: in one sense. I moved back in with my parents.
Speaker 1: I'm going on twenty six. I have dollars worth of
Speaker 1: debt because I went to university in London and thankfully
Speaker 1: it's not as expensive as it is here, but it's
Speaker 1: still expensive. And then, yeah, exactly, I know, I know
Speaker 1: it's painful out here. When I think about having kids here,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I get it. It's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 1: And so I came back and I'm lost. I got
Speaker 1: rejected by forty companies. No one would give me a job.
Speaker 1: I'm too overqualified for another job, and I'm now underqualified
Speaker 1: for the jobs that I would have walked into three
Speaker 1: years ago. And I'm feeling stressed and I'm feeling anxious
Speaker 1: because guess what, all my friends are buying nice cars,
Speaker 1: getting their first mortgage and you know, in a in
Speaker 1: a great relationship, and I'm five years behind them. Because
Speaker 1: I felt really left behind. I felt lost, and I
Speaker 1: felt confused and guess why. I didn't know where to start.
Speaker 1: I would literally come home and talk to my dad
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, Dad, I know that I can't
Speaker 1: rely on you guys forever because my parents aren't well off,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't actually know what I'm going
Speaker 1: to do, Like I have no idea, and so I
Speaker 1: remember being completely unconfident at that time and completely feeling
Speaker 1: like all my charisma and energy just been snatched from
Speaker 1: me because I thought I was going to become a monk.
Speaker 1: And then my health was taking a toll on me
Speaker 1: too because of the amount of pushing I'd done on
Speaker 1: my sleep and experimenting with so many things. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm just like both physically emaciated and mentally like, just
Speaker 1: I've lost it. I really lost. I would have struggled
Speaker 1: to look you in the eye and have this conversation.
Speaker 1: I genuinely would have, And I know now it's hard
Speaker 1: to believe and I was like, oh, J like, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's true. I'm like no, trust me, Like literally,
Speaker 1: if you talk to my friends from that time, they'll
Speaker 1: tell you that I wasn't confident at the time. And
Speaker 1: the thing that helped me build my confidence back up
Speaker 1: is I went to the library every single week and
Speaker 1: I would read self development books. I would read the
Speaker 1: books that I studied as a monk. Again. I was
Speaker 1: so deep into like what do I need to learn?
Speaker 1: What is it that I don't have now that's going
Speaker 1: to help me feel confident again. I had to write
Speaker 1: forty individualized, personalized resumes to finally get a job at
Speaker 1: Accenture that I broke into. And guess what, I was
Speaker 1: twenty six and everyone was twenty one, So I was
Speaker 1: already up against everyone who was younger than me, who
Speaker 1: just come out of call it yeah, but you were
Speaker 1: a monk. It helped, It did help. It did help,
Speaker 1: and what it helped with And that's why those three
Speaker 1: years I call the monks school, and the last seven
Speaker 1: years have been the exam, and I've passed the exam
Speaker 1: so far, because everything I learned as a monk does
Speaker 1: prepare you for the life we all lead so actually
Speaker 1: I got to test all of it. And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm sharing what I tested in Think like a Monk,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I have literally tested all this for
Speaker 1: the last seven years, and that's why I'm telling you
Speaker 1: about it, because I had to put into practice. It.
Speaker 1: Cover is literally if you can, for those of you
Speaker 1: that watching as the cover is blue, it is literally
Speaker 1: your your blueprint. I love that you're the first person
Speaker 1: who said that, and I never thought of that print.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna say that in every single interview
Speaker 1: after this one. I'm gonna say, Ryan, did it? Ryan?
Speaker 1: This is no, that's great. I love the blueprint for
Speaker 1: how to you know, how to think like a monk? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's a blueprint of life's real exam the real exams. Listen,
Speaker 1: I can say thank you so much for going through
Speaker 1: that so that we don't have to write super healthful
Speaker 1: stuff to do. Absolutely no one needs to go live
Speaker 1: like a monk. You can just think like one and
Speaker 1: it will change your life. But I mean, if someone's
Speaker 1: listening to this right now and they're at a tough
Speaker 1: place in their life, or they are you know, they
Speaker 1: just came out of school and they don't know what
Speaker 1: to do, or they got out of a bad relationship,
Speaker 1: or they fucking hate their job. Would you recommend going
Speaker 1: to India? I don't think you have to go to India.
Speaker 1: What I will say is you're going to have to
Speaker 1: do something different to what you've done so far, and
Speaker 1: what that means got you here won't get you there. Correct.
Speaker 1: And So what thinking like a monk means is how
Speaker 1: can you become more curious, open and expand your mind
Speaker 1: to maybe entertain the idea of something that you have
Speaker 1: never entertained. Right Like I would never have thought of
Speaker 1: becoming a monk if I didn't meet a monk. Who
Speaker 1: have you not met yet that could inspire you to
Speaker 1: do something you haven't done yet? I love that. Right
Speaker 1: When people ask me what my job is, I say,
Speaker 1: my job is meeting five new people every day. I
Speaker 1: love that. I don't sell houses, Right, That's how selling
Speaker 1: houses for me and selling buildings and everything we do
Speaker 1: and even making content and all that stuff is. It
Speaker 1: is the by product of what happens when I ryan
Speaker 1: sur aunt. Happens to meet people. I know how to
Speaker 1: sell real estates. When I meet people, I instinctually say,
Speaker 1: do you need to buy a new home. Right, if
Speaker 1: I had your life, I would do what you're doing
Speaker 1: it maybe something totally different, um uh and meeting more
Speaker 1: people on a planet full of seven billion of them? Right,
Speaker 1: I think is is our lifeblood? Like that's our job.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you one more question before finish,
Speaker 1: is because now I have you in my mind living
Speaker 1: on twenty three and first between first and seconds, trying
Speaker 1: to manage even before that, your hotel bills fifty sixty
Speaker 1: bucks a night. That's crazy to me even sitting seeing
Speaker 1: you sitting here, and what I know of you over
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, the fact that you were
Speaker 1: ever at that point with money, right and with your
Speaker 1: own success in your life, Like how did you go
Speaker 1: from nothing to who you are today? What was that journey?
Speaker 1: And I know it took a long time, It took
Speaker 1: a lot of hard work, but but like what is that?
Speaker 1: What is that mechanism? Like? What did you do? Differently?
Speaker 1: I decided that whatever I was going to do, I
Speaker 1: was going to get really world class at it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I wasn't it wasn't good enough to be an
Speaker 1: okay public speaker? You're okay with being okay? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was going to go out and become one of the
Speaker 1: best public speakers in the way that I saw what
Speaker 1: best meant. So that means I was studying stand up comics.
Speaker 1: It means I was studying the best speakers of all
Speaker 1: the time. It meant that I was trained from fourteen
Speaker 1: to eighteen at public speaking and drama school because my
Speaker 1: parents forced me to go. I want to really become
Speaker 1: the same with social media. I don't just want to
Speaker 1: be okay with social media. I need to really become
Speaker 1: an excel at it. And so for me, that's the
Speaker 1: second step. And I think that's the difference between following
Speaker 1: your passion and actually investing in it and actually conviction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: living with convictions. So that was a big part of it,
Speaker 1: the second and then when you've done that, so much
Speaker 1: more opens up. We don't realize that when you genuinely
Speaker 1: excel at something, when you put yourself in the upper
Speaker 1: group of a expertise, that naturally opens up connections network Beau.
Speaker 1: Everyone now all of a sudden is confident to say, hey,
Speaker 1: have you met Ryan? Did you know that he sold
Speaker 1: that property worth whatever it is. It's like, oh, yeah, now,
Speaker 1: now you should meet Ryan, right you've got, you get
Speaker 1: recommended more. So that was one thing. The second thing
Speaker 1: I did was I've always, like you said, built relationships,
Speaker 1: and I would never ask unless there was a very
Speaker 1: clear ask and there was a very specific ask, and
Speaker 1: that person was the most specific person to ask for that.
Speaker 1: I think half the time we asked for stuff, we're
Speaker 1: asking the wrong person at the wrong time. And my
Speaker 1: point is a good ask is I'm the right person
Speaker 1: for the right thing at the right time, and if
Speaker 1: those three things don't align, don't ask right I I've
Speaker 1: never not followed that principle, So if I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask Ryan for a favor, I would wait till he
Speaker 1: was the right time and it was the right person
Speaker 1: who was the right thing I was asking for. So
Speaker 1: I remember at one point, I appreciate that. I remember
Speaker 1: one point. I emailed a hundred people the day after
Speaker 1: I decided that I wanted to be an entrepreneur, and
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, these are my skills, this is
Speaker 1: what I think I could do for you, this is
Speaker 1: how we could work together. What do you think right?
Speaker 1: And so it's like I went all in and asked
Speaker 1: a ton of people who could support them. That year
Speaker 1: when I first became an entrepreneur, I tested seven different
Speaker 1: revenue streams and there were two things I was testing,
Speaker 1: which one did I enjoy and which one worked? And
Speaker 1: I wanted to find the ones that matched. So out
Speaker 1: of the seven hard to do, yeah yeah, And we
Speaker 1: test seven. Out of the seven, all of them worked. Financially,
Speaker 1: I only enjoyed four of them, which became the bedrock
Speaker 1: of what I did. So one of them was my
Speaker 1: group coaching program online. So I have my coaching program Genius,
Speaker 1: where we have thousands of amazing members from over a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty countries that every week are learning with
Speaker 1: me and I'm live with them, coaching them, training them,
Speaker 1: guiding them, and it's been the most fulfilling thing that
Speaker 1: we've done. We even have meetups now in a hundred
Speaker 1: cities in the world, so we have groups of people
Speaker 1: meeting up every week without me there and they're discussing
Speaker 1: these themes networking, building enterprises, and growing together. So that
Speaker 1: was one of them. The second thing that came out
Speaker 1: of it was videos. I love making videos, and Facebook
Speaker 1: finally kicked him with its ad strategy in so so
Speaker 1: that's been great. And then I had my podcast we
Speaker 1: launched my podcast. I love interviewing people. It's given me
Speaker 1: a great excuse, like you said, to sit down with
Speaker 1: people I wouldn't otherwise. And then four or three of
Speaker 1: my book, so I chose things that I love doing
Speaker 1: the process and that it worked, and that was a
Speaker 1: big part it. So for me, it's always been a
Speaker 1: rapid growth. Try everything, test everything, make mistakes along the way,
Speaker 1: and just keep moving. And as soon as you find
Speaker 1: yourself being uncomfortable and you don't like something, you don't
Speaker 1: have to do it anymore. Like don't put you. I
Speaker 1: don't want to make money doing stuff I hate. I
Speaker 1: just don't want to do that. And and and that
Speaker 1: means I've got to test more of what I love.
Speaker 1: So I've got to work harder on that front. However,
Speaker 1: just a few final questions that I want to ask you.
Speaker 1: That it helped me get to know you just a
Speaker 1: little bit better, and I think everybody else. What's your
Speaker 1: favorite movie? Okay, my favorite movie is The Prestige by
Speaker 1: Christopher no Oh. That is such a good Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a very good movie. Hugh Jackman, Christie Belle Scarlet, your hanswer,
Speaker 1: That is a great, great movie with the light bulbs
Speaker 1: when they're turning on and everything. It's got like Tesla,
Speaker 1: it's got a bit of history and yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 1: Is my favorite movie. I'm two thousand and six. It's
Speaker 1: on the IMDb bucket list of movies. It came out
Speaker 1: at the same time The Illusionists came out at with
Speaker 1: I love that movie too, which is great, and it
Speaker 1: came out the same exact type. It's like Hollywood always
Speaker 1: does this to come up with an idea and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we gotta do it. That's a really good movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just great, but the procedures a little bit.
Speaker 1: And Christian Bell I just yeah, press yeah, Christian Bell
Speaker 1: is my one of my favorite I've got two favorite actors,
Speaker 1: probably Leonardo DiCaprio and Christian Bell. Yeah. What's your favorite quote? Oh?
Speaker 1: My favorite quote? That is a good question. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: probably from the bug Geta. Oh no, no, god, I've
Speaker 1: got a debate. Yeah, okay, from the Bugta it says,
Speaker 1: better to live your life imperfectly than to imitate the
Speaker 1: life of someone else is perfectly. What's your favorite artist
Speaker 1: right now as we listen to right now, I'd say
Speaker 1: the person I listened to most is Drake. I'm a
Speaker 1: big Drake fans. I can listen to Drake in the gym,
Speaker 1: in the car. I actually love listening. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: Drake Future and then Drake plus Future. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: every Yeah I said Drake. I'm a big I'm a
Speaker 1: big believer to like Justin's new album, A big fan
Speaker 1: of Justin Little Changes. Yeah. Great, Well this has been awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this has been great. So much for coming. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think like a monk by the time this comes out,
Speaker 1: It'll be out everywhere you are, everywhere where else should
Speaker 1: people find you? Find me on Instagram, from me on YouTube,
Speaker 1: from me on Facebook, wherever you are, I'll try and
Speaker 1: be there. Yeah, good and find all the wisdom and
Speaker 1: you're the best. Thank you so much. Thank you coming
Speaker 1: to interview. It's gonna be fun. I'll let you know
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