WEBVTT - Jay Shetty 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:06.160 What's up, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Big Money Energy. 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.640 As you know, on this podcast, I'm talking with super 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.000 successful and self made people to learn exactly how they 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:16.160 did it, how they went from nothing to something, covering 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.040 all their intimate stories, their path to success, and how 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.720 they overcame obstacles on the way. And specifically, though, I'm 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:23.800 gonna be talking to people who not only have Big 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.480 Money Energy, but those who understand what it means to 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.560 wake up and actually get things done. And today we're 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.040 talking to j Shedding. So if you care about the 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:40.240 power of wisdom, if you care about how money is energy, 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:41.519 and if you want to know what it's like to 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.320 live like a monk and more importantly, to think like 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.080 a monk so that you can find true happiness and 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.440 peace and cut through all the bullshit that we have 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.559 to deal with in life and all the pain and 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.880 all the anxiety that we deal with. And all you 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.160 entrepreneurs who are listening right now, you better stay on 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.560 this episode because it is going to completely blow your mind. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:08.120 Welcome to another episode. To day is a very very 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.960 special day because I'm sitting down with none other than 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.480 the Jay Chetty Jay. Thank you so much, for coming 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.720 in Ryan, thanks for having me. This is awesome. Yeah. Now, 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:18.960 if you don't know JT is, then you probably don't 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.000 have a phone or a computer. You're definitely not on Facebook. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.920 You probably don't read books. Um, you might not even 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:26.959 have a pulse. I don't know, but I'll tell you. 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:31.399 JT is an Indian British internet personality, podcast or author, 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.480 award winning storytelling He's a former monk, which I find 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.440 really interesting, and he has a lot more patients than 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:38.679 I ever will have. He's interviewed some of the most 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.200 amazing people in the world, like Deepack Chopra, Russell Brand. 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.440 He has been on the Ellen Degeneras show Forbes thirty 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.520 Under thirty Total game Changer. Get a video on Facebook 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.680 that was watched by three d and sixty million people. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:53.400 Were you naked and dance? You know I've seen the video, Yes, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.640 and dancing with Will Smith. That is what you need 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.320 and Ellen, right, that what you gotta do. I want 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.240 to know how you create some of the greatest content 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.200 in the world. And overall you have an insane amount 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:07.960 of energy, which I really really care about. And I 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.680 think in the world there are two types of people. 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.079 You know, everyone can be a hard worker. Everyone could 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.200 be good or bad, but you either wake up every 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.320 day determined to get ship done and have great energy, 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.680 or you don't. You're either making things happen or you're 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.520 waiting for things to happen. And you are kind of 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.919 like the pinnacle of somebody who's made things happen, starting 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.280 from when you were probably a little kid, right and 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.680 going all the way into when you traveled around the 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.680 world and your journey and even just being a monk. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.239 So the first question I have for you, and I 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:37.799 was trying to think about how I was going to 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.720 start this because I have like fifty questions for you. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.679 One New York versus l A, New York versus l A. Yeah, 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.120 which one? L A? Get out? I lived in New 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.040 York for two years. I loved it. It was very 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:51.920 good to me. I've lived in l A for two years. 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.040 I loved it. It's very good to me. I prefer 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:55.799 like I grew up in London. I'm used to gray 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.800 skies rain, it's raining today exactly, and from my cool 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:02.200 the Little Brewery. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm very happy 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:03.880 at l A. I love New York. I love visiting. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.919 It feels like home. I love the people here. It's great. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:07.959 But l a LA's home. Where did you live in 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.040 New York when you lived here? I lived in Street 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.280 between First and Second. Interesting location, Yeah, definitely, first time 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.520 New Yorker to pick that location. I had no idea 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:20.760 I moved to New York. I think I'd come here 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.360 once with my family when I was like sixteen years old. 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.880 I've never been back since. And then I had a 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.239 real toist show me around. And I worked for the 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.680 Huffingham Post when I moved here, and so I wanted 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.320 to be close to the offices and the offices of 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.880 seven seventy Broadway. So I was trying to be close 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:36.920 to this so I could walk there, because that was 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.520 the easiest thing I could think of. So it was 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.040 very strategically chosen. Always. My first apartment was chosen where 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:43.880 I could be on top of every single train, and 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.040 I lived in Koreatown right on thirty first and Broadway, 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:48.520 and it was I want to be able to walk 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.200 outside my door and get to any apartment, showing that 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.560 I could. Nice. How did your realtor do though, By 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.920 the way, I think they did pretty well. Except when 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.960 I moved to New York. For I believe it was 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.880 about a month. I had to live out of hotels 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.520 because my apartment wasn't ready and I was I mean, 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.600 I was struggling, So I literally would check the hotel 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.680 prices every day to get the lowest price. So I 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.440 was shifting hotels like three times a week, so I 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.760 got paying sixty five dollars a night to fifty dollars 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.800 a night to like seventy dollars, and and I kept 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.000 trying to shift, so I had to switch hotels multiple 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.520 times per week for a month. Huffington Post page you 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.200 more money. So is that what brought you to New York? 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.400 That's what brought me to New York. I'm really grateful 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.520 Ariana Huffington and the team at Half Post at the 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.720 time they got my visa, they brought me over. They've 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.839 seen my videos and they wanted me to create the 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.640 same content for Half Post. It exposed me to this 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.480 incredible world that's out here and really kicked off my journey. 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.560 And so you credit those relationships and that platform to 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.640 where you are today or definitely as a first tipping point. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.279 I think in everyone's life, and you've probably seen this 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.800 in yours too, Like everyone has multiple tipping points in 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.360 their life, and so there were tipping points before that. 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.200 That was a really important tipping point from a content 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.280 creator standpoint, and they're like, you know, meeting Ellen year 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.599 was a huge tipping point as well, like going on 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.840 Red Table Talk and doing stuff with Will Smith this year. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.520 It was a huge tipping point. So I feel like 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.960 you always have more tipping points, and I think I'm 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.520 grateful to anyone who's been a tipping point and everything 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.359 in between, because guess what, there are a lot of 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.919 people who led to that big tipping point, and so 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.719 I think you gotta be very careful to not forget 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:19.880 the in between us, because the in between us can 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:25.560 often be forgotten and left behind. You've built a massive brand, 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.520 right that's known around the world through creating content. What 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.479 was your first piece of content you ever made? You Yeah, yeah, 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.680 I do. I do it as a video content or 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.000 content period. Video content. Okay, so video content was I 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.920 made a video called three Lessons from the Bugged geta 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.160 Now that's the book that I talked about in this book. Okay, 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.559 so that was my first video, and think like among 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.839 the first ever video I made was called three Lessons 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.400 from the Bugged to the bugged Geta is the one 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.599 of the oldest most spiritual wisdom texts in the world. 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.280 It's based out of India. It's five thousand years old. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.520 And so I made this video and I have loaded 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.640 onto you Tube on third jan and I still remember 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.880 it really, really well, and I was refreshing. I was 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.960 refreshing away and I'd made it like three days before that, 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.920 right like, I filmed it, edited it, shot it all myself. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.240 With my team was my friend who was a videographer 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.080 in London. We were just out in London on the streets. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.000 I think we were out on like we still trying 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.240 to remember if it was New Year's Day or New 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.000 Year's Eve, but all I remember probably News day because 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.200 the streets of London were empty. We could shoot in 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.680 any location. This was probably guerrilla style. We had no 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.400 permits or no license. We were just we were just 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.240 shooting next like Saint Paul's Cathedral and London Bridge and 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.040 all this stuff. And we put the video out there 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.040 and I remember seeing the views go up and then 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.680 I realized I was just refreshing and watching video, and 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.800 then probably my mom was doing the same and I 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:44.080 was trying to get all my friends to see and 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:45.840 I think it did. I think my first video did 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.200 like five thousand views in twenty four hours, and so 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.000 it wasn't bad at all, but it was you know, 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.279 it was just consistency, perseverance, and and a lot of 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.280 negative feedback initially too. You know, there are a lot 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.640 of people who are just like you talked too fast, 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:00.800 you know, or maybe you need edit a bit better, 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:02.440 or maybe the music is a bit off. And I 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:03.960 used to get a lot of that, and I took 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.080 all of it in that I could, and at the 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:07.800 same time, I was like, I'm not listening to that 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.920 bit because you know, that doesn't make sense, and I 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:11.880 had to try and find my way. What did your 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.080 parents think of it when I started making videos? Yeah, 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.800 your first video. I don't think my parents even kid. Yeah, 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.600 they didn't even have an opinion. I don't think it 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:21.680 was like a thing. They didn't think anything of it. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.000 They didn't think it was good or bad. I don't 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.080 think they even watched it. Yeah, I don't think they 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.240 can at the time. So if I remember my mom 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.240 when Millionaire Listening first came out Bravo, my mom called 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.400 me after the first episode. I was like, what do 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.120 you think what do you think? She's like, well, let 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.320 me just say the things that you think are funny 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.520 are not funny to other people, and that like, I 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.440 will never forget that because it was kind of like 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.720 a like she was like smacking me down, but it 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.360 was kind of a compliment because I was like, oh, 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.640 maybe I am funny on there, but then it wasn't. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.680 And then I could see kind of what you were saying, 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.000 like some people thought, you know, some people have a 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.760 sense of humor. Some people don't have a sense of humor. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.280 Um and it's funny, like people in my mom's uh 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.080 demographic did not think everything that I thought. Have you 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.360 kept making those jokes? Have you kept in you know what? 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.880 To be honest, it's interesting once you start seeing yourself 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.120 on television or you make content, you see what people's 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.720 feedback is. And I don't care what anybody says. It 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.360 does affect you. You do you realize, like, oh, I 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.160 should probably carry myself in a way that that doesn't 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.120 derive insanely negative hate. You know, I don't want to 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.360 say anything offensive, so I'm not going to totally filter myself, 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.720 but let me think things through just a little bit. Yeah, absolutely. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:28.320 I don't know have you thought about that at all? 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.040 Do you do you do content with a filter or 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.040 no filter? I mean, when I started creating content, we 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:33.959 do a lot of different styles of content, so I 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.680 think there's different styles. So I have a series called 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.160 Inside the Mind on YouTube, which is very much behind 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:42.720 the scenes, follow me around. It's it's super open transfer exactly. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.960 And then and then I've got content that is scripted 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.800 and costed and really created so that people can have 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.600 a really amazing experience. Now, when I started making content, 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.640 I had no idea that we were ever going to 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.160 hit a million views, let around billions of views, And 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.760 so for me, I was just sharing my message to 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.079 help the world, like you said, and serve the world 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:02.640 in any way, I thought, And I'm doing the same 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.200 thing now. I don't see it's that's different. But my 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.200 big goal when I'm creating a piece of content is 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.640 how is someone going to feel after watching this? Like 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.760 That's the number one question I asked myself. It's how 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.560 I feel about every podcast, every video. How is someone 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.280 going to feel And if they're not going to feel uplifted, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.360 if they're not going to feel like they've learned something, 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.720 if they're not going to feel motivated or amped. Then 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.199 for me, I'm like, Okay, well I'm doing something wrong here. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.440 Why do you care so much? Why do I care 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.320 so much? Like? Why, I that's a real question. Why, absolutely, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.120 why do you care about what people feel? Not just 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.720 to create good content then gets good views? Right, Because 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.920 in the influencer world that we live in, you know you, 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.240 we live by view counts is what it is. But 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.959 why why are you making videos that are that you 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.319 that change people's lives. Why are you making videos that 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.559 are influential for people? Why don't you just do vlog 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.120 type stuff? Put stuff out there, let's see what happens. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:52.720 Like why do you care so much about other people? 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.960 I think when you come across something in your life 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.800 that you think transform your life and was extremely valuable, 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.760 I feel like you have a responsibility and a sense 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:04.439 of compassion to want to pass it on. And I 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.600 think we're the same as humans with everything. Like if 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.600 you saw the best movie in the world this week, 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.920 I guarantee you'd be recommending it to You are your friends. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.079 If you've just heard a new album or discovered a 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.800 new artists on Spotify, you're gonna tell everyone it just 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.679 so happened that the artist I met was a monk, right, So, 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.200 and I talk about the experience in this in the 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.839 book Think like a Monk, where for me meeting a monk, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.080 it's just one of those things like I met someone 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.600 who I believed had the habits, the routines, the lifestyle, 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.520 the thoughts, the ideas that transform my life, and I 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.199 really believe they have and I feel it's a responsibility 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.400 to pass them on because I see people suffering. I 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.480 see people making decisions and then regretting them. I see 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.720 people getting thirty years in a career and then feeling dissatisfied. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.640 And I'm like, that can all be avoided, or at 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.440 least if it can't be avoided, it doesn't have to 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.040 be as painful as it seems. And so if we 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.320 can do that in the same ways, I'm sure you're 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.040 helping people find real estate quicker and easier and making 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.480 it simple. It's like all of us are solving a problem. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.280 And for me, if you've got some good advice, you've 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.240 had a good experience, it's your job to pass it on. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:09.760 And that's all I'm trying to do. What was your 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.400 first impression of the monk, tell me about the monk. 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.720 So my first impression was, here's a guy with a 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.199 thick Indian accent and he's wearing robes, he's got a 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.720 shaved head. He does not look cool, he's not trendy. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.360 There's nothing about him that's attractive. I'm going to get 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.440 really bored in this speech. I'm going to go to 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.600 a bar afterwards and it's going to be great and 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.400 I've just got to sit through while my friends go 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.959 through this pain, right, Like that's my first experience because 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.120 I'm a kid growing up in London who thinks he's 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.240 really cool, listens to rap music. I was eighteen, and 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.720 I'm thinking, I'm like the best thing ever. And what 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.640 am I going to learn from? Like some monk who 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.160 went from nothing to nothing? And you know, like what's 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.680 he going to teach me? And that's what I love 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.360 about writing this book now, is I was the person 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.240 who looked at that monk and looked at it probably 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.000 even this title, and what am I going to learn 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:53.719 from this book? What am I going to learn? And 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:58.800 it's like that's skepticism that it's so ironic when you 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.240 take that skepticism and it gets turned into like this 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.160 amazing belief system where you're like, oh wow, Like I 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.199 learned so much from that one hour that he spoke 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.120 that I was so inspired that I was almost surrounding 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.320 him like he was the CEO of Apple or something, 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.720 and wanting to shadow him and spend time with him. 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.640 And I think this is just a lesson that I 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.280 feel for anyone and everyone. It's like when you get 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.120 in I'm sure there's a ton of people who approach you, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.640 are inspired by the work you do and would love 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.680 to spend time with you. But maybe they're not saying 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.319 the right thing, maybe they're not doing the right thing, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.240 maybe they're not getting the access because someone else had 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.640 a better way of getting through to you. And for me, 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.120 I was doing the same as wanting to shadow this monk. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.560 I I would just believe that he had something that 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.800 I'd never seen someone have, which was joy, which was happiness, 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.000 which was genuine authenticity of just say that authentic joy, 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.040 just authentic joy of just like fake not fake. I 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.719 mean he's wearing saffron orange robes in the middle of 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:54.280 a university and and speaking so comfortably without any like 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.880 inhibition that he's being judged by a bunch of London 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:58.760 kids who think that they're really cool, and he's just 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.320 so effortless, and I'm like, why why am I not 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.120 like that? Right? And so that's what attracted me to him. 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.880 So what was your journey with him after that? Yeah, 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.800 So I took the very bold move of saying, I'm 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.520 going to spend all of my summer vacations, half of 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.120 them interning at corporate companies in London, because that's what 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:16.680 I thought I was going to do. And so I 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.200 was at financial companies and corporate companies doing analyst roles 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.800 or whatever, regular stuff or fairly successful regular stuff for 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.000 regular stuff. And I'd spend the other half of my 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.240 summer vacations living with him in India's a monk. So 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.400 I'd literally go from suits as you do, yes, suits, 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.280 steak houses and bars and doing the full works. And 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.800 I was like, I'm going to test eats lifestyle to 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.560 its lifestyle to it's extreme, because to me, that's the 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.840 that's what the joy of life comes from. I don't 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.040 think you ever have fun in life when you do 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.679 something in a mediocre, halfhearted, in the middle kind of way, right, 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.559 I feel like you have to dive deep. It's like 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:54.800 you know the analogies that was given of the ocean, like, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:56.360 if you really want to see the beauty of the ocean, 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.040 you've got to go deep. On the surface, all you're 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.679 gonna see is like some little fish and some random colors. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.440 But if you go deep, you'll see more. And so 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.440 for me, I've always been that way. And so I 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.840 was like, Okay, I'm going to be the best finance 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.079 person in London, and then I'm gonna be the best 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.200 monk in India, and I'm going to test which one works. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:14.679 And then I found out very quickly that you don't 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.120 become the best monk, and I didn't necessarily become the 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.400 best finance person in London, but I went through that 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.840 process of testing, and after three years of doing that, 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.600 in my breaks, I realized that I found the life 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:29.360 of a monk more attractive. But I had genuinely done 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.600 the test. And the reason it was more attractive is 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.920 because I felt that I was actually useful to humanity. 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.520 We weren't just sitting there all day doing nothing. We 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.600 were serving the homeless, we were helping young children, we 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.840 were helping the needy, we were doing service out in 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.360 the world. And I thought, wow, this is the best 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.240 use of my skills, This is the best use of 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.080 my abilities. And when I'd come home from working a 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.640 long day in a company, I just feel hungry, tired, bored, 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.400 d energized and drained, and I was like, I don't 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.040 want to feel like that. Every time I'd come back 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.280 from the ushroom, I'd feel like I've found my purpose. 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.760 How did that affect your relationship to material goods? Though? 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.920 And too money into success? How do you go from 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:12.520 London banking world to living with the monk too, coming 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.640 back to London and then going to New York and 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.160 they go in to l a and still having to 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.800 make money and create content for a living and write 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.760 a book and do the tours and all the things 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.479 you do. How are you okay with that? Yeah? Absolutely? 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.880 And I think when I first came back, it took 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:31.520 so much time to reintegrate and to recalibrate, like what 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.320 my mind said about these things. So I've learned this 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.000 beautiful principle as a monk, which I think I've got to. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:42.080 I've had an opportunity to play with an experiment with 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.320 more since leaving, So we learned about how nothing is 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.880 inherently good or bad. It's given a it's given meaning 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.800 and purpose by how you use it. So we know 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.880 that right this microphone, it's it's inherently neutral. It's not 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.520 good or bad. Right. You can either speech hate, abuse 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.760 and violence and race is them, or we can use 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:02.480 it for talking about what me and you're talking about. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.880 And that's a choice. And so similarly, I think we've 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:10.560 either tried to idolize or demonize things. Money is one 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.960 of them. People either idolize it or they demonize it. 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.440 So they go, oh, money is everything, Money is god, 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.520 Money will change your life. And then the other option 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.880 is no, No, money is evil. Money will make you bad. 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:22.640 If you're rich, you stab people in the back. And 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.040 so we're very good at as humans is labeling stuff 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.280 as idolized or demonizers, and actually it's neutral. It's totally 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:30.440 what you do it. Then that's why I love the 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.360 title of your podcast, Big Money Energy, because from a 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:39.040 spiritual monk perspective, money is energy, bloody is editing. There 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.840 we go and you're already thinking like a monk. Oh Man, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.280 I had no idea, but money is energy, and and 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.160 serve money is energy. Are we using that energy for good? 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.000 Are we using that energy for bad and I think 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:52.880 when you can live in that way, And in the book, 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.520 I talk about three relationships you can have with money. 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.280 So you can either have a selfish relationship, you can 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.360 have a sufficient and see relationship, or you can have 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.919 a service relationship. Simple selfish. We know what that feels like. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.199 It's all about me. Money is for me. I'm just 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.480 gonna get really greedy and rich and supposedly it's gonna 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.760 make me happy. We know that doesn't work. Sufficiency, I've 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.680 got enough. I don't need more, but I've got enough 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.240 for me and taking care of the two people I 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.199 take care of, I don't care about anyone else. And 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.639 then service, I don't mind having more if it helps 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:24.119 me serve, and and I don't mind creating more opportunity 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:25.960 if it helps me serve. And so for me the 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:27.360 way I've been able to do it, And it took 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.400 me a while because I grew up in a family 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.480 where we always said we had just enough money, and 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:34.399 so the mindset was always like the amount of times 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.960 in my teens where I had zero in my bank 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.360 account because I had just enough. It was just enough 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:40.719 to make the purchase and then I'll be back at 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.639