Speaker 1: Carola. She's a queen of talking. He was sown your man.
Speaker 1: She's only yes. Actually you got the snoop on the
Speaker 1: on the ones to side. No one can do win clide, Carola, Carola,
Speaker 1: No one can do win clid Carola, Carola. Hey, y'all,
Speaker 1: welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby.
Speaker 1: I know music, I know people, and I know the
Speaker 1: questions do you want to ask? So let's get hyper
Speaker 1: heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there
Speaker 1: could be adult content, y'all. I'm pretty excited I have
Speaker 1: Luke pell joining me. I know all y'all watched The
Speaker 1: Bachelorette and y'all all were rooting for him to win.
Speaker 1: I am so surprised he didn't win. I thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna be the one. But he talks all about
Speaker 1: his journey on the Bachelorette, what goes on behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: his whole life story, which is so insightful. He is
Speaker 1: so wise for his young age and his country music career.
Speaker 1: So you guys, get excited. Here is Luke Peale And
Speaker 1: if you want to watch this interview, go to my
Speaker 1: website Caroline Hobby dot com and click watch and you
Speaker 1: can see the whole thing here is how are you?
Speaker 1: How you doing good? Thanks for having me on. I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to have you here. I'm glad to be
Speaker 1: here as early as it is a fresh face. Though. Hey,
Speaker 1: I tried to get up and just hold it together.
Speaker 1: You have like a daily routine that you do in
Speaker 1: the morning. It's called rollover, put a T shirt on,
Speaker 1: and go for it, say a guy. It is so
Speaker 1: you guys don't even know how lucky you have. I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd be I'd be a terrible girl. I mean because
Speaker 1: I have to curl her hair, put on makeup, do
Speaker 1: the whole thing. It's I don't know how you guys
Speaker 1: do it. It's like hours of every day. It's spent
Speaker 1: like find it exhausted. Yes, And you can just like
Speaker 1: run your hands through hair. Yeah yeah, so not really
Speaker 1: just sleep well and you're fine. Okay, So I want
Speaker 1: to start off with a little rapid fire because everyone
Speaker 1: knows you from The Bachelor at you kind of rose
Speaker 1: to fame on that. But there's so much more. We're
Speaker 1: going to cover it all, but gonna sart a little
Speaker 1: rapid fact it. Okay, So the first thing that comes
Speaker 1: to mind dating complicated? Yeah, what's so complicated about dating? Everything? Now?
Speaker 1: You know, it's like from being because that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how everybody knows me now is because the TV show.
Speaker 1: So is it hard to date on TV? Um? No,
Speaker 1: it's actually simple to date on TV because everybody knows
Speaker 1: the drill. Like it's like, you know, it's a thing
Speaker 1: you have, you know, producers basically telling you what your
Speaker 1: rules are? What are your rules how to date? Are
Speaker 1: your rules of dating on the show? You have a
Speaker 1: date card today? So you get to go on it
Speaker 1: eight with somebody. You know. It's like you don't you
Speaker 1: can't like text somebody or like column or whatever. You
Speaker 1: just have to give no prerogative of your of your own.
Speaker 1: It's all like basically based off of what you're allowed
Speaker 1: to do. So yeah, so it's like, ah, today I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go on a one one day. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: dog sledding to the woods of Pennsylvania in a go
Speaker 1: cart and then we're gonna go to a concert and uh,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. You have a hot tub in the woods.
Speaker 1: So it's like okay, great, always just go for it.
Speaker 1: Got the hot there's always a hot tub. Scene. Maybe
Speaker 1: two hot tubs scenes per season, so you gotta get
Speaker 1: a good make out in the hot tub. I got
Speaker 1: the first hot tub scene. I wouldn't I wasn't mad
Speaker 1: at that good. Is it interesting having having how many
Speaker 1: guys are on there? Usually? Is it interesting having one girl?
Speaker 1: Like what if you don't have chemistry with that girl?
Speaker 1: And like did you know who the girl was before? No,
Speaker 1: we didn't know, And so what if you see he
Speaker 1: and like you just aren't feeling it? Well, we had,
Speaker 1: we had, we kind of knew it was like one
Speaker 1: of two girls before we get there. Um, like what
Speaker 1: if it's not a man? But yeah, if it's not
Speaker 1: a match, I mean I think some guys they stay
Speaker 1: around and you have a couple of choices. You can
Speaker 1: decided to be like the villain of the show, and
Speaker 1: then you can stay around if you want to participate longer.
Speaker 1: That that would be Chad. Yeah, he was crazy. He
Speaker 1: was crazy. And that's the first, like the first question
Speaker 1: I always get, like, oh, you're in a a Bachelor that's awesome?
Speaker 1: Uh is it scripted? And then usually the next question
Speaker 1: is was Chad that crazy? He just drives that question.
Speaker 1: Everybody asked me that airport, Starbucks wherever I'm at. Well,
Speaker 1: he just had like anger. I felt like, yeah, well
Speaker 1: I think that um he might have had. He might
Speaker 1: have had it was a little disillusioned with with what
Speaker 1: he was getting into. And then once he saw that
Speaker 1: that frustration that he showed kind of paid off and
Speaker 1: was like the producers like kind of rewarded him for it.
Speaker 1: Then it became a thing. You know, they like the
Speaker 1: character he was building. Yeah, and so it's kind of
Speaker 1: like you know, creating, you know, like like a storyline,
Speaker 1: like somebody has like a dog and they like torment it.
Speaker 1: It becomes like fighting becomes its thing, you know. And
Speaker 1: so that's right, like what they did. I would keep
Speaker 1: poking the bear until ages that's not very nice, became
Speaker 1: the full beast that Chad is, you know, the full,
Speaker 1: the full chat full chat bear, the full reality TV
Speaker 1: villain of all time. Did you have any best friends
Speaker 1: that you met on the show? Um, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: You're like competing and stuff against each other trying to
Speaker 1: date the same person. So all the guys that are
Speaker 1: most similar to each other on the show are also
Speaker 1: in the most competitive for each other. So you don't
Speaker 1: really become friends on the show that much. You kind
Speaker 1: of do because it's kind of a weird deal. Again,
Speaker 1: it's a reality TV, so it's not the same as
Speaker 1: it is in the real world, so people, the jealousy
Speaker 1: and stuff is not the same. But I think after
Speaker 1: the same. It's just like you know, if you start
Speaker 1: dating somebody in the real world and you've been dating
Speaker 1: on three months or whatever, and you find out that
Speaker 1: they're texting someone else or like piss, Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: a big deal, Like you're mad, like you feel like
Speaker 1: a trust thing. There's issues and always and on there.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, well whatever, like you know, you
Speaker 1: already know night one, she's just probably making out with
Speaker 1: three other guys in the next time after you are.
Speaker 1: So is that like crazy on the brain? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean a little bit, But I mean I think I
Speaker 1: bet it's might be harder for girls. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's hard for girls and guys are used to
Speaker 1: it because guys don't usually emotionally get us emotionally, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly like women. I feel like being the Bachelor would
Speaker 1: actually be maybe harder because girls can go crazy exactly,
Speaker 1: they get very volatile, like emotionally, Yeah, so, um, but
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of know how it goes. So
Speaker 1: I think the guys after the show is the thing
Speaker 1: where you end up making friends, um, you know, better
Speaker 1: than when we were on there, because it's like you
Speaker 1: have time back in the real world to get to
Speaker 1: know each other. It's like my buddy Wells Adams that's here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So like you know, we've become really good friends since
Speaker 1: the show, you know, just probably because we're both in Nashville,
Speaker 1: but you know, we're just both you know, similar about
Speaker 1: how we live our lives. We're both you know, someone
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry as well, and it's just we
Speaker 1: have a lot of common so um. So Wells is
Speaker 1: one other body of mine, um who's been going through
Speaker 1: a lot of tough stuff outside of TV lately is
Speaker 1: Chris Souls, who was the guy from Iowa who was
Speaker 1: a bachelor like three years ago. Oh yeah, and and
Speaker 1: so we've done some events together over the past year
Speaker 1: and became really close, became good friends, and uh, he's
Speaker 1: seemed like a sweetheart. He's a great he's a really
Speaker 1: good guy. He really is. Love Chris. He's a great
Speaker 1: people person and uh, just you know everybody that meets him,
Speaker 1: loves him to death as he's just a great guy,
Speaker 1: you know, and so it's unfortunate that, um, he had
Speaker 1: to go through, um this accident, everything that he's been
Speaker 1: dealing with over the last couple of weeks. Um, but
Speaker 1: you know, things happen, and you know, you never know
Speaker 1: when accidents are going to happen. Trategies what happened. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so yeah, vachel Nation sticks together, Huh, they do they
Speaker 1: You know, Bachelor Nation is is such an interesting thing
Speaker 1: now that this whole last year, I've gotten to be
Speaker 1: exposed to it and kind of understand like, oh, everybody
Speaker 1: from past seasons, we all have this bond, this common
Speaker 1: bond that we've all been through the same thing. You know,
Speaker 1: We've been through this reality TV like lab rat social experiment.
Speaker 1: So we have this like it's totally the way to
Speaker 1: put it, hume, because no one really understands, right've been
Speaker 1: like through that for eight weeks, and I mean it's
Speaker 1: like you're just completely um, you know, taken away from
Speaker 1: the rest of the world, isolated from the rest of
Speaker 1: the world and no phone, on internet all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So he's like, oh my god, this is this is
Speaker 1: like no other experience in my life, and it's involving
Speaker 1: heartstrings and love, which adds a new element. It's not
Speaker 1: just like a reality show where you're like reality show,
Speaker 1: but you're also supposed to be emotional and really vulnerable
Speaker 1: and wanting to maybe get married. Married I mean, at
Speaker 1: the end of the show, is the biggest thing decision. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we'll keep inching closer to the Hunger Games every
Speaker 1: every season in the Batchel bastlor At. How did it
Speaker 1: feel though, to make it all the way to end?
Speaker 1: Did you get fourth or third? I can't believe Robbie
Speaker 1: got second. I means a good guy. I know he's
Speaker 1: a great guy, but how does it feel to get
Speaker 1: that close and to feel like you have this connection
Speaker 1: and then to realize that other people have it too.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're so tired. We just have to talk
Speaker 1: about a little No, I'm good. It's it's uh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit. It's really weird. I mean
Speaker 1: at the end, people are like, oh, is it fake, scripted? Whatever? Um?
Speaker 1: And I always tell him, you know, it's like when
Speaker 1: you do go to the hometown time frame, like when
Speaker 1: you're like introducing them to your family, and stuff, and
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, wait a minute, this this is no
Speaker 1: longer just circus tricks and like reality TV, like one
Speaker 1: of us is going to like really bring this person
Speaker 1: back to Christmas this year, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: with the family. Is that an exciting thought or is
Speaker 1: that a terrifying thought? It's just a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: It's just like a very sobering thought. You're just like
Speaker 1: that's when you got really introspective. At that point, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go through this in my mind, like is this
Speaker 1: the right person for me? Like you would do in
Speaker 1: real life about thinking about like you know, is that
Speaker 1: person the right person or the right time in your
Speaker 1: life to get me married? And you just go back
Speaker 1: through that you know, kind of list of priorities and say,
Speaker 1: oh am I ready. So yeah, did you actually when
Speaker 1: you how did you sign up for the Bachelor? How
Speaker 1: did you even get on this journey? Any story? My
Speaker 1: So the lady that did my hair, You've got great hair,
Speaker 1: so you got to trust her opinion. I mean she
Speaker 1: doesn't she's a great job. Yeah. So the lady that
Speaker 1: did my hair, This is like a year before I
Speaker 1: was actually called by the casting department she had kind
Speaker 1: of like she tried to set me up people that
Speaker 1: came into the slat. She's like, you should meet this girl.
Speaker 1: This is actually back in Texas when I was like
Speaker 1: half and half back in Texas, Like this was three
Speaker 1: year almost four years ago, now, okay, because you're from
Speaker 1: Texas in the army. Yeah, and then moved to Nashville
Speaker 1: to do music before the Batchlart. Yes, I was. I
Speaker 1: did the military for nine years and then I was
Speaker 1: in corporate America for about like three years. What um.
Speaker 1: I was an engineer in old company in Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. Yeah, and then I worked for
Speaker 1: consulting firm good sales and some business development things for
Speaker 1: them UM down near Houston, Texas. And so that's where
Speaker 1: I was at that point. And so she tried to
Speaker 1: set me up with some people that she's like, you
Speaker 1: know what, it doesn't work out, I'm just gonna sign
Speaker 1: you up for the Bachelor. That's what you should do.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, we kind of made a
Speaker 1: joke out of it, like that's funny whatever, and she
Speaker 1: really did it. And then a year later they called
Speaker 1: me and they're like, hey, we had this packet turned in.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe somebody else turned one into and uh,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, sure, why not, they should
Speaker 1: be coming to Nashville. We want to interview you. So
Speaker 1: we met over at the Sheridan and uh, they like
Speaker 1: did like a little mock interview on camera, and um
Speaker 1: that was it and they flew in too, l A.
Speaker 1: We did the full on um you know, producer meetings
Speaker 1: there and then we were filming like a month later,
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's pretty quick. The whole thing is I
Speaker 1: can't kiss people unless I liked them. And obviously now
Speaker 1: I'm married, so like I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 1: But if I wouldn't have had a connection with someone,
Speaker 1: I don't think I could make myself make out of them.
Speaker 1: I mean I think there was probably some people that
Speaker 1: were on the whole season that didn't make out with her,
Speaker 1: and that's why that there was never they stayed there,
Speaker 1: but there was never like that physical chemistry. And they
Speaker 1: talk about that how it's like we just don't have
Speaker 1: the connection or Okay, but what if you didn't have
Speaker 1: a connection but you were about like three glasses of
Speaker 1: wine deep, Well, I'd have to be three for sure,
Speaker 1: because that's the other that's the other trick. They just
Speaker 1: like feed the alcoholic people. They're like everybody anybody can
Speaker 1: make out handle See what they'll say, see what they'll do.
Speaker 1: Everything just goes up by a great percentage of the
Speaker 1: likelihood of just people saying crazy things and a crazy things,
Speaker 1: and to be hammered on national TV making out is
Speaker 1: like crazy the crazies stuff that happen behind the scenes
Speaker 1: or the honest scenes that like, I mean, it's just weird,
Speaker 1: Like you know, you like most people I've never seen myself.
Speaker 1: Are you making out with somebody? Did you? Like? I
Speaker 1: don't know what it looks like? Well, I mean I
Speaker 1: heard it was actually good. A lot of people like
Speaker 1: this lady comes to the show last week in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: She's like seventy, you know, and she's like, I watched
Speaker 1: that hot tubs scene with you every night. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's like was freaky. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're a sweet littlettle lady. And I
Speaker 1: don't know how I felt about this right now, A
Speaker 1: little embarrassed ladies got to get their rocks off too.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, fair enough, you you watched
Speaker 1: that hot tub scene. Okay, that's hilarious. Yeah, anyway, that
Speaker 1: was kind of weird watching, you know, like yourself do that.
Speaker 1: But I went through it, and you learned a little
Speaker 1: like all the new you get annoyed watching all the
Speaker 1: things that you kind of knew you did, but you
Speaker 1: didn't stop doing what annoyed you about yourself. Just you know.
Speaker 1: I would like when I got nervous, for instance, I
Speaker 1: was trying to get in a deep conversation at dinner
Speaker 1: or something, I would start saying like a lot when
Speaker 1: I was trying to think my way through my words
Speaker 1: and very carefully navigate how what I was talking about,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, like and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I said like forty seven times in
Speaker 1: that conversation. That's so annoying. But you know, it's just
Speaker 1: a little things. So do you feel like Jojo and
Speaker 1: Jordan are a good match? Yeah, they seem to be.
Speaker 1: Do you think you would have been happy if you
Speaker 1: were the one? Would you still be together? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we would too. Yeah. I mean, so I'm
Speaker 1: one of those people that you know, and maybe people
Speaker 1: are mad at me for this, but I don't think
Speaker 1: there's just one person in the whole world. Some people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, there's there's that one person that's right
Speaker 1: for you. I don't think that's necessarily true. I think
Speaker 1: there it just depends on the situation and kind of
Speaker 1: just it's a choice you make, and you can make
Speaker 1: that great and make that choice you know worthwhile, um
Speaker 1: after the fact. But I think you just have to
Speaker 1: live with your choice of who you end up with,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's part of it, and you kind
Speaker 1: of grow together and build a relationship together. But it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily one person is going to be better than
Speaker 1: the other, but you know, maybe different. So what are
Speaker 1: your views on marriage considering you went on like marriage show?
Speaker 1: I mean what about I mean, I think I love marriage.
Speaker 1: I think my parents are such an inspiration to me.
Speaker 1: They've been married literally thirty thirty nine years and uh so,
Speaker 1: I mean they were married when they were one years
Speaker 1: old and they just stayed together the whole time. And
Speaker 1: uh would you have they given you any marriage advice?
Speaker 1: Have you learned anything from their marriage? Yeah? You know,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. I when we came home
Speaker 1: to film the show, I was asking my dad, like
Speaker 1: having the conversation on Canada, do you feel about it, right,
Speaker 1: and so it's on camera. So it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you know, people are you're a little bit more
Speaker 1: careful with what you say and how you say it,
Speaker 1: and you kind of reach for deeper conversations and things
Speaker 1: and maybe you wouldn't the other situations. So I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, how did you know that mom was the
Speaker 1: right one when you decided to get married? And he was.
Speaker 1: He told me, he said, you know, we had been
Speaker 1: broken up, and um, He's like, I couldn't live a
Speaker 1: day without her. He's like, that's how He's like, So
Speaker 1: I had He's like, I came back and he's he's like,
Speaker 1: there's one day I just came back to town and
Speaker 1: I just told her how I felt I couldn stay
Speaker 1: away from her. I was like, oh my god. I
Speaker 1: was like, I've never heard my dad say that day
Speaker 1: the story before, and so anyway, I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: it was just interesting, you know, going through that and
Speaker 1: and hearing it just it really opened my eyes up
Speaker 1: to even my you know, myself, my family and just
Speaker 1: the whole situation kind of what my what I want
Speaker 1: for my future, made me think about it, maybe verbalize it,
Speaker 1: maybe talk about it. So what if now a verbalizing
Speaker 1: your future and your ideal plan. What is like your
Speaker 1: five your five year dream plan for Lupell tenure dream plan.
Speaker 1: That's always a moving target. Uh, you don't have it
Speaker 1: all nailed down. I haven't got it all nail down.
Speaker 1: Maybe some people do. I don't know. That's great. Um No,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be. I got to a point
Speaker 1: where I got out of the military and then I
Speaker 1: went to this is that experience because that's amazinging and
Speaker 1: a huge part of your life. You have podcasts on
Speaker 1: podcasts about just the military experience. But um, I was
Speaker 1: in nine years, four years in um College, which as
Speaker 1: at West Point, which is like in the summertime we
Speaker 1: do military training, and then you're basically you know, I
Speaker 1: played football there, so you go to school and I
Speaker 1: played a sport during uh you know, spring and fall semesters,
Speaker 1: and then in the summer we do like military training.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that was four years, then five years. I
Speaker 1: was an officer afterwards, and you were in Afghanistan for
Speaker 1: how many years? I was in an Afghanistan for a year.
Speaker 1: So it was amazing. What did you learn? What's your
Speaker 1: takeaway from all that? Because that's a huge perspective that
Speaker 1: most people don't get to see. I think that, you know, um,
Speaker 1: I think it's just for people to It opened my
Speaker 1: eyes to the rest of the world, you know, and
Speaker 1: my worldview was so much broader after that. How did
Speaker 1: it broaden, you know, once I've seen a third world
Speaker 1: country as we came and see that, Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: this is the other end of the spectrum of you
Speaker 1: live this um this privileged twenty one century Western eyes
Speaker 1: life and in the US where you can do completely
Speaker 1: whatever you want with your life, or do nothing with
Speaker 1: your life and l repercussions for it, um or you
Speaker 1: can you know. Also there's these people that are living
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan that have nothing to their name other than
Speaker 1: you know, a bag of rice and a car battery
Speaker 1: to keep a flashlight on and their mud hut at night,
Speaker 1: you know. And so you just see that the spectrum
Speaker 1: of humanity and and then and then also this whole
Speaker 1: situation of war is thrown into the same thing, and
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of it. And now you're you're
Speaker 1: a you know, you're a a part of a vehicle
Speaker 1: catalyst of the war, you know, in acting in that
Speaker 1: um war and so it's just a really interesting thing
Speaker 1: to go through that and how did that make you
Speaker 1: feel with all those different thoughts happening. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a lot. I think it's different for a lot
Speaker 1: of different people. It depends on your background, on what
Speaker 1: you come through. You know, my undergrad was in sociology,
Speaker 1: so I kind of had a foundation of understanding people
Speaker 1: and culture and why people do the things that they do.
Speaker 1: And so I think I was really glad that I
Speaker 1: studied that in school and then came out with that
Speaker 1: degree because it helped me kind of understand that culture,
Speaker 1: understand my soldiers culture and what they're going through and
Speaker 1: how to deal with those, you know, life and death situations.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's just there's just so many things
Speaker 1: that we can unpack about, you know, issues that so
Speaker 1: wliers deal with being away from their own families, um,
Speaker 1: being in combat, um, you know, dealing with another culture,
Speaker 1: of the differences in the two cultures. Like, there's just
Speaker 1: so much and then and then there's a whole like
Speaker 1: theoretical political science conversation of why you're there in the
Speaker 1: first place, why you're you know, why your nation is
Speaker 1: even involved in that, and all these things so you're
Speaker 1: trying to prioritize and make and rationalize and make sense
Speaker 1: for why you're there, why you do what you do,
Speaker 1: all those things. It's just a it's a lot to
Speaker 1: the process. Do you feel like you ever fully know
Speaker 1: the full reason for why you're there? Um? I think
Speaker 1: that you have to come to terms with what's your
Speaker 1: responsibility and what your role is. And that's not to
Speaker 1: figure that out like sure, you can lay in bed
Speaker 1: and night and kind of think about it casually if
Speaker 1: you want, but you know, if you're in the military,
Speaker 1: you're an officer in the military, you're you have to
Speaker 1: find what your role is and redefine that every day
Speaker 1: and say, it's to lead these soldiers and and this
Speaker 1: is my world. And I take what I'm given from
Speaker 1: this hierarchy of of the military that we've developed in
Speaker 1: this country that I signed up to serve. And you
Speaker 1: go and you you know, you lay out that plan
Speaker 1: and you you know, you try to keep your guys
Speaker 1: safe and try to accomplish those objectives in that mission,
Speaker 1: and you bring them home and that's what that's what
Speaker 1: you do at the end of the day functionally, and
Speaker 1: then you can think and theorize about why you're there
Speaker 1: and why you're personally involved in it, and all those
Speaker 1: things later, you know, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you just have to try to keep those guys safe
Speaker 1: and and and do your job to just keep your
Speaker 1: your mind focused on your task at hand. Just learn
Speaker 1: to play your role, because I think so many times
Speaker 1: and that's what's one of the things that so many
Speaker 1: you know, college kids today and I feel like old
Speaker 1: saying that, but college kids today they really take this
Speaker 1: whole like freedom of speech thing to hold on a
Speaker 1: level where it's like they feel like they have the
Speaker 1: right to judge and call people out and other other
Speaker 1: circles of the world that they have no right or
Speaker 1: you know, um, they have no business like making those judgments,
Speaker 1: are saying those things. They don't know anything about it,
Speaker 1: like that entile one that they feel that they can
Speaker 1: and they haven't been there, that's not their role, and
Speaker 1: yet they'll want to, like you know, rapidly you reach
Speaker 1: out and react and protests about things, and like, look,
Speaker 1: you know, no know your role, theorized about it, write
Speaker 1: a book about it, whatever your feelings are, but you
Speaker 1: know it's not They get outside of their bounds a
Speaker 1: lot of times. So that's a whole political conversation. So
Speaker 1: what's your perspective on our culture considering you did one
Speaker 1: of the most American things you could ever do beyond
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, you know, and then you also have served
Speaker 1: in the army, which is the most broadening your mind
Speaker 1: for other perspectives. So you have these two extreme contrasts
Speaker 1: happening here. How do you combine those two worlds and
Speaker 1: make sense of it all? And what do you take
Speaker 1: for What do you take from that? Because you've been
Speaker 1: on both ends of the spectrum. It's a lot, and
Speaker 1: it can be kind of disconcerting at a certain point
Speaker 1: if you tried to and overwhelming, like if you tried
Speaker 1: to take it all in and let it affect you.
Speaker 1: And I think that was the big thing that I learned,
Speaker 1: the overarching lessons I learned to prioritize my life and
Speaker 1: keep moving forward and find what's important in my life?
Speaker 1: What is it? Back to that and so um that
Speaker 1: also came full circle when I was in those corporate jobs.
Speaker 1: I uh, you know, people would say, you know, if
Speaker 1: you do what makes you happy, you never work a
Speaker 1: day in your life, you know, And I got to
Speaker 1: really being reflective about that whole thing. And those jobs
Speaker 1: were good, the money was good, that people were good,
Speaker 1: my resume was good, all those things. But I wasn't happy,
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, I had this thing. I
Speaker 1: wanted to go back to Nashville. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: back in that community or this community that I'm in now.
Speaker 1: And so UM, I wanted to be in music and
Speaker 1: I wanted to learn how to be a songwriter. Not
Speaker 1: for the money, but because it was something that was
Speaker 1: always this underlying theme of what I felt in my
Speaker 1: life and think something that evoked emotion to me, and
Speaker 1: you know, it just made me. It helped me stay
Speaker 1: centered and stay focused on what was important in my life,
Speaker 1: about family and relationships and those type of things. I mean.
Speaker 1: And you find out life is short. You know. When
Speaker 1: I was twenty six, my last six had six months
Speaker 1: up in the military. I was in El Paso, Texas.
Speaker 1: UM I was a captain in the army. UM I
Speaker 1: had already been to Afghanistan. All these sayings. It was
Speaker 1: in the best shape of my life. UM I had
Speaker 1: my wisdom teeth out. This is this is an interesting
Speaker 1: place with stories going. I got an infection that got
Speaker 1: in my heart. Like a week after I haven't wisom
Speaker 1: teeth outeth they never really knew. They didn't do the
Speaker 1: bio off sea. But I got an infection the gout
Speaker 1: in my heart and um, so then like I was
Speaker 1: in ICU for five days, almost died. I was in
Speaker 1: a VA hospital in El Paso. And so that was
Speaker 1: like a time in my life. I was like super
Speaker 1: shocking because it blindsided me. You know, I wasn't prepared
Speaker 1: for it. Mentally. I was kind of like ten feet
Speaker 1: tall and bulletproof to the world, is how I felt,
Speaker 1: um going into that. And so then it just took me,
Speaker 1: took me back, you know that It was like wildlife
Speaker 1: is short, you know, I could I could have died
Speaker 1: in that hospital at twenty six years old. It was
Speaker 1: no really reason why or just a freak accident and
Speaker 1: freak you know thing came over me. What did that
Speaker 1: do to your thinking when that happened. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: went So then I went through a whole time like
Speaker 1: the next year after that, I was going through a
Speaker 1: time where I was trying to to deal with anxiety,
Speaker 1: like health anxiety only things that I had never dealt
Speaker 1: with before, like anxiety because what happened. Why do you
Speaker 1: have anxiety just because you feel like you're like once
Speaker 1: your heart is kind of like the central piece of you.
Speaker 1: You're not sure if it's gonna work on any given
Speaker 1: day or quit on you, and you don't know why.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, behaving the way that it is.
Speaker 1: Um you feel like, oh, I might have a heart
Speaker 1: attack or and then it's like that's tied to anxiety symptoms.
Speaker 1: So then it's like this this like vicious cycle of like, oh,
Speaker 1: now I'm having hard palpitations and now I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm going to have another like hard episode that you
Speaker 1: can only know like why you had in the first place.
Speaker 1: So it's like this mental it's just like a cycle
Speaker 1: that you're trying to fight through. So like before that,
Speaker 1: you know, I was just getting out of West Point.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, a tough guy, just getting
Speaker 1: in the army and stuff. You know. I would hear
Speaker 1: some of my head anxiety or depression or whatever, and
Speaker 1: like deal with it. You get over like you're totally
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of soft, you know. And then
Speaker 1: after that whole hard thing happened to me and then
Speaker 1: Open Mines, I was like, wow, that's like anxiety is
Speaker 1: a real thing. Like you can physically be just um,
Speaker 1: basically paralyzed because of what's going on in your head.
Speaker 1: You know, it feels like you have a lot of
Speaker 1: acceptance for people and things now, Like you lived through
Speaker 1: so many situations. I feel like you have a lot
Speaker 1: of grace and acceptance. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean that's that's
Speaker 1: what all those different things, I mean, we went through
Speaker 1: like this perfect form of personal experiences, personal health, weird,
Speaker 1: you know, rare things that happened to me, and then
Speaker 1: the military thing, and then just just so much that
Speaker 1: happened that allowed me to become accepting but also become
Speaker 1: focused on what my parties were in life, like what
Speaker 1: was important in life? You know. Do you think we
Speaker 1: have to go through like heartbreaking situations and like situations
Speaker 1: that bring us to our knees to make us appreciate
Speaker 1: life on a fuller level? I think so. Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to wish that on people, but it's hard
Speaker 1: to see people going through it too. It's the best way, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but it's the best way for people to really learn
Speaker 1: and come to terms with that. Um. They can read
Speaker 1: in a book, reading an article or whatever, and they
Speaker 1: won't get it unless they've really experienced it. You know,
Speaker 1: it won't stick. Sometimes maybe it does, but you know,
Speaker 1: for the most part, I see when people go through
Speaker 1: it and they come out of the other side, that's
Speaker 1: when they've really learned and then they can go and
Speaker 1: pass that try to pass that lesson on to other
Speaker 1: people that you know can learn from it as well. So,
Speaker 1: so what do you think the point of this whole
Speaker 1: existence is that we're here? Yeah? I mean for me,
Speaker 1: it's all about like, you know, your my purpose in
Speaker 1: life is just like waking up every day and knowing
Speaker 1: that I can try an attempt to change someone else's life.
Speaker 1: You were trying to better the world. That's your goal,
Speaker 1: the legacy. You know, my faith is important to me.
Speaker 1: Talk to you about your faith? What do you believe? Yeah? So, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a Christian. I'm a believer. Um. And
Speaker 1: I grew up and I went through a whole another
Speaker 1: cycle of like finding my own faith through um you know,
Speaker 1: these legalistic ideas of like how can I be a
Speaker 1: better person? Or is that what my faith is about?
Speaker 1: And like how like am I am I good person?
Speaker 1: And are a bad person? Or whatever? To like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like it's a it's a it's a faith that's
Speaker 1: based off grace and something that I can't I can't earn,
Speaker 1: but that's already there and that was, you know, based
Speaker 1: off Christ and all these things. So I learned that
Speaker 1: up like later into my twenties after I was out
Speaker 1: of my own and everything, and so it just became, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just had a lot of I
Speaker 1: had some full circle moments that happened in my late
Speaker 1: twenties that just kind of put it all to put
Speaker 1: it all together for me and then and then led
Speaker 1: me into this next season in my life. So, um,
Speaker 1: it's been it's been really a weird ride, but you've
Speaker 1: experienced feel good about it a lot to be so young.
Speaker 1: How old are you pretty too? Yeah, you're still you're
Speaker 1: just getting started and you've already done so much. So
Speaker 1: do you believe in a calling? Like do you think
Speaker 1: you're calling has always been music? Or like how you
Speaker 1: said you don't necessarily believe a soul mate? Do you
Speaker 1: think calling has changed? I think that everyone has a
Speaker 1: I think everyone that definitely has a calling. Uh, they
Speaker 1: always your specific um to what they're doing. I think
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a more of a calling
Speaker 1: to um have a purpose in life and give back
Speaker 1: like to other people. I think that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like this, uh, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've heard like altruism, whereas it's like how do you
Speaker 1: care about other people? Like what what impact do you
Speaker 1: have on others? And it's kind of like the whole
Speaker 1: Um family design. It's like you're here to care for
Speaker 1: somebody else because like I think, the most the loneliest,
Speaker 1: worst place to be in life is like selfishly living
Speaker 1: for nothing but you and what makes you, you know,
Speaker 1: physically happy at that moment that day. It's very wise.
Speaker 1: Some people like live that life. You know, you're very
Speaker 1: wise luke to be like seriously so young, I been
Speaker 1: through a lot, so you know, I had to learn
Speaker 1: the hard way a lot of things. So that's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's interesting for sure. To tell me about music, Tell
Speaker 1: me about tell me about your music career. What can
Speaker 1: we expect from you coming out? What are you excited about?
Speaker 1: And now see, you have a song the best thing
Speaker 1: you've ever done. Now here's that about? Yeah? So um
Speaker 1: that that song music is something that I'm so glad
Speaker 1: to be back in Nashville. So I finally made it
Speaker 1: back here, you know. Um, you know, not a lot
Speaker 1: of my peers they came here out of college, you know,
Speaker 1: and they spent several years and here just getting to
Speaker 1: know everybody. Maybe they went to Belmont and you know,
Speaker 1: got a music business degree and and and started you know,
Speaker 1: the songwriting a much earlier age and I did. So
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like I'm like trying to play catch
Speaker 1: up on on that scene a little bit, because that's
Speaker 1: still on my competitive person in terms of, like, you know,
Speaker 1: what I'm doing as far as a career and everything,
Speaker 1: no matter what that is. Um, So I look at
Speaker 1: it from that standpoint. But at the same time, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm happy just to be here and being Nashville
Speaker 1: and doing what I love on a daily basis. And
Speaker 1: the people in Nashville and the people that I've been
Speaker 1: fortunate to meet and work with, they're just all this
Speaker 1: such great um salty there with people that I I
Speaker 1: value every one of those relationships, and and I'm glad that,
Speaker 1: you know, I get to spend my life, you know,
Speaker 1: doing life with these with these people that are there,
Speaker 1: I feel, you know that I can relate to that
Speaker 1: you know, have the same priorities in life that I do,
Speaker 1: and and that you know kind of see the world
Speaker 1: through the same you know, glasses in the same view
Speaker 1: that I see it. So so you keep saying priorities,
Speaker 1: what are like when you're spelling out your party's family,
Speaker 1: what are your product? I think you know obviously it's
Speaker 1: it's family and it's relationships. I'm just a relational person.
Speaker 1: I think that, like, are we in a relationship right now?
Speaker 1: You can live and die in your your whole span
Speaker 1: of whatever that however many years you're given on this earth,
Speaker 1: and why what's it about? Like? And I think for
Speaker 1: me it's it's about the relationships that you have while
Speaker 1: you're here, friends, family, not just romantic. Yeah, absolutely, it's
Speaker 1: like about all your relationships. And that's about how you
Speaker 1: leave a legacy. It's everything is relational. If it's not that,
Speaker 1: like it's a lonely life, like they're totally nothing, there's
Speaker 1: no point of you being here. It's like your your
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks on an island with a volleyball, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it's like it's that whole
Speaker 1: phenomenon you're going through. If it's not about because even
Speaker 1: even in that phenomena, you see that he wanted a relationship.
Speaker 1: That was the most fundamental thing that he needed. So
Speaker 1: he gets a friend out of a volleyball and paints
Speaker 1: of face on it, and that's like a real human
Speaker 1: um um emotion, you know, and that that we all
Speaker 1: need that and so um so anyway, so that that's
Speaker 1: that's part of the reason I like songwriting, because songwriting
Speaker 1: always comes back to some some way of explaining emotion
Speaker 1: ors explaining a relationship. If it's something about you know,
Speaker 1: a father and a son and a family relationship, or
Speaker 1: if it's about a breakup, it is not falling in love.
Speaker 1: It's all about relationships. I mean, I think that's just
Speaker 1: why I love the Nashville community, the songwriter community, because
Speaker 1: everything we kind of like think about that we think
Speaker 1: on that on that level, and we're not thinking about,
Speaker 1: you know, usually as much about the Hedge fund or
Speaker 1: what the DoD Jones is doing today or you know,
Speaker 1: that type of thing from the heart more primarily what
Speaker 1: can we expect from me? What can be looking forward
Speaker 1: to musically? Um, yeah, touring, I think that that's still
Speaker 1: a little bit open ended for me. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: what we're doing. And we go out and we play
Speaker 1: a lot of shows right now, are playing to in
Speaker 1: our twelve live shows a month, and you know, we're
Speaker 1: in a lot of different cities and just we're out
Speaker 1: meeting all these people that, um, some of them were
Speaker 1: introduced to me just because of the show, you know,
Speaker 1: and now they they found out that, oh he also
Speaker 1: as a songwriter and he's also coming out and coming
Speaker 1: to my city and playing these venues, and that that's
Speaker 1: really cool to go out and meet those people, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's already interesting to see just you know, some
Speaker 1: of them, Um, they like they know my parents names
Speaker 1: or whatever. And some people are like, oh, that's weird, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, they feel like I should be more you know,
Speaker 1: You're life should be more private, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: weird being reality TV and people knowing so much about
Speaker 1: your personal life. But I love it, honestly. I'm like,
Speaker 1: because I'm just an open book and my life is short,
Speaker 1: I would love getting to meet these people that I
Speaker 1: never would have met otherwise, you know. And uh so,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's been the coolest thing or
Speaker 1: this past year, Um, you know, not just in the
Speaker 1: music community, in Nashville, but just in general, like I've
Speaker 1: met so many people through this whole process this past year,
Speaker 1: and uh, and I love that. I love meeting people.
Speaker 1: So I love that. Okay, so we're gonna wrap up
Speaker 1: there and play a little bit of song songs. Um,
Speaker 1: are there any bucket list items? Love? You've done a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff in your life. Is there anything that
Speaker 1: you're dying? I think there's always more bucket list uh
Speaker 1: stuff to do. I mean there's so much child, There's
Speaker 1: so much of the world to see you never get
Speaker 1: to see. Um, I've never like I've never been to Australia.
Speaker 1: I'd love to go there. Um, I've never been. I
Speaker 1: would love to go back and like, you know, the
Speaker 1: parts of the Middle East of where like you know,
Speaker 1: the early uh first century, like we're like Israel. I
Speaker 1: would like to go see some of that and like
Speaker 1: see you know, kind of where we came from, where
Speaker 1: the Western world started and how it you know, migrated
Speaker 1: out and you learn about these things in school and
Speaker 1: like you never get to go see them. So like
Speaker 1: I'm a very visual learner, So um, those that type
Speaker 1: of travel would be great for me. I think it
Speaker 1: would really like concrete some ideas in my head. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I like to wrap up with, well, also, and
Speaker 1: you've already been a music video star because you're gona
Speaker 1: runaway James music video. I was kind of sad there's
Speaker 1: no kissing and it's about kissing because any of those
Speaker 1: girls and they're all beautiful. Yeah, well, I guess they
Speaker 1: all had boyfriends. I don't know. Well, I mean for
Speaker 1: the scene because it's like permission, right, That's what I said.
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, I'm the professional kisser here, so
Speaker 1: it's up to you guys, how do you all want
Speaker 1: it roll? I'm with you. I totally hear you. So
Speaker 1: I like trap up with leave your light, So leave
Speaker 1: some inspiration of how you would like to inspire people
Speaker 1: you have been inspired? Yeah, I think that, you know.
Speaker 1: My biggest thing is I think, you know, when you
Speaker 1: wake up every day, you have a choice to decide
Speaker 1: are you going to change the world for the better
Speaker 1: or are you going to change the world, you know,
Speaker 1: to better yourself? And so I think that, um, if
Speaker 1: you wake up every day with the motivation to go
Speaker 1: change someone else's world for the better, then then you
Speaker 1: can't go wrong with that, you know, And that's just
Speaker 1: kind of like an overarching I think philosophy that I
Speaker 1: try to live by and then everything else kind of
Speaker 1: can follow suit. That's awesome. Yeah, Luke, you're doing it.
Speaker 1: You're doing it. Okay, So now we're gonna hear a
Speaker 1: couple of songs from Luke Hell Teal Audio's newest speaker
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Speaker 1: audio dot com. Okay, Luke, you're gonna play some songs.
Speaker 1: Tell me about this first one. This first one I
Speaker 1: wrote with Brandon Who and Brandon Kinney and that's a
Speaker 1: Brandon's yeah, double Brandon's here. Um a song called Drink
Speaker 1: You In. And it was just kind of like I'm
Speaker 1: a guy, I like a good view, and so people
Speaker 1: are like, hey, let's check out that view, drink it in.
Speaker 1: And so then I made we made it about someone
Speaker 1: day that we were in love with. So is this
Speaker 1: a fictional person or is it a real person? It's
Speaker 1: always a real person, um, but sometimes it's like piece
Speaker 1: together with multiple experiences. Yeah, okay, all right, Okay, Well
Speaker 1: here we go drink you in. I hate that you
Speaker 1: got dressed up. Then I really don't seeing you look
Speaker 1: like that. What I really wants tip downtim keep that part.
Speaker 1: Stay right here the fire you start now what you see?
Speaker 1: We don't go out because I just want to drink
Speaker 1: you in. Le s if you like that wine running
Speaker 1: across your lips, getting to out bugs, haven't little way
Speaker 1: too much girl, keeping coming because I just wanna drink
Speaker 1: you in. I want to drink you. Get those high
Speaker 1: hears off. I'll put a record on pouring another back.
Speaker 1: It's the all night long, soaking you up every dry
Speaker 1: feel here too time because I just want to drink
Speaker 1: you sippy like that wine running across your bills. Get
Speaker 1: a little food book, have a little way too much girl,
Speaker 1: keep on coming, men, I just wanna drink you. We
Speaker 1: I wanna drink you. Stay right here and fire you're
Speaker 1: starting now what you said, gurd come on, just don't
Speaker 1: go out. Is I just wanna drink you to see
Speaker 1: you like that one running cross your lips. Get a
Speaker 1: little bod bo have a little way too mother. Girls
Speaker 1: keep gonna coming. I just wanna drink you. Okay, that
Speaker 1: was awesome. You got one more for us. Sure we
Speaker 1: can do another. Can you tell us what about I'll
Speaker 1: have another drink? Please give me another. Let's see for
Speaker 1: this one. I think I'm gonna do. We talked about
Speaker 1: the breakup song. Yeah, you said it's too early for
Speaker 1: her break but I think it's not really. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to do. I kind of want
Speaker 1: to do pretty close. Okay, what's pretty close about? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this one is about um, it's funny, it's got a
Speaker 1: little deeper meaning. It was it was kind of like
Speaker 1: one of the songs I wrote initially about. We started
Speaker 1: the verses about just kind of that plastick falling in love,
Speaker 1: simple like let's be outside together. We don't need a lot,
Speaker 1: just like a kind of like a picnic basket in
Speaker 1: each other, right and um. And then into the course,
Speaker 1: it has a part where it says if I died
Speaker 1: right now, I'd be fine. Uh yeah, because holding you
Speaker 1: is how I want to go out. And so that
Speaker 1: part was about the time when I was telling you
Speaker 1: earlier in the podcast, when I was in the hospital
Speaker 1: and um um el paso and I feel I literally
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna die, And so my family came
Speaker 1: out of course. And then my ex girlfriend who had
Speaker 1: been broken up with for a while, she found out
Speaker 1: about it, and like she came out anyway, and so
Speaker 1: like it was like one of those things. It was
Speaker 1: like it didn't really matter, Like we weren't gonna end
Speaker 1: up together and that was fine, but like they were
Speaker 1: still like we loved each other at a certain point,
Speaker 1: and having somebody there, you know, when you think you're
Speaker 1: gonna that's the last time you're gonna be there, is
Speaker 1: uh deal. So yeah, so that's the background of song.
Speaker 1: That's a real good story. I mean, that's like some
Speaker 1: real stuff. They say country music is real. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: hear it pretty close. Hell my mind standing steels, watching
Speaker 1: you move still, it ain't your feet in that groove.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep this smarm and roll right here tonight.
Speaker 1: Let's leave that uptain sing up to somebody. Yes, we
Speaker 1: gotta everything we need right here by ourselves, just you
Speaker 1: and me, And there's no way everyde but we got
Speaker 1: a sunset over truck being in the red wine. And
Speaker 1: just know I'm lightly see that kiss me one more time.
Speaker 1: Look to your eyes. If I died right and now,
Speaker 1: I'd be fine. Yeah, holding us hard. I want to
Speaker 1: go away. Heaven might not be at the end this
Speaker 1: third role, Oh but it's pretty closed. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: You're my prayer. Can't get enough. You got soul in
Speaker 1: a way you love the world. Just feeds away like
Speaker 1: a whist coast guy because we got son set over
Speaker 1: truck being in the red wine and just know live
Speaker 1: then see that, kiss me one more time to look
Speaker 1: in your rye. If I died right now, be fine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: holding you. I wanna go away. Heaven might not be
Speaker 1: at the end disturb road. Oh but it's pretty close,
Speaker 1: close enough to feel your heart beat against myce hanging
Speaker 1: all as long as it's not I don't go. If
Speaker 1: I do right now, be find it. Holding use. I
Speaker 1: want to go out. Heaven might not be the end
Speaker 1: of this thurt road. Heaven might not be at the
Speaker 1: end this so dirt rule all, but it's pretty close.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's pretty cool. Look, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining me. This is awesome. You're rock. I hope you
Speaker 1: loved this episode with Luke Pell. I know you did,
Speaker 1: especially if you're a Bachelorette fan. But even if you're not,
Speaker 1: what an interesting, insightful guy. Lucas to be so young,
Speaker 1: He's had such a big life. It was such an
Speaker 1: honor to have him join me, and I'm so excited
Speaker 1: to follow his country music career as it starts to
Speaker 1: take off, because it is really going. Next week we
Speaker 1: have Steal Union. Steal Union is a trio. It is
Speaker 1: made up of Josh, Donnie and Rachel and they all
Speaker 1: are incredible musicians in their own right. Rachel was a
Speaker 1: Broadway star. She walked away from her Broadway career to
Speaker 1: pursue country music. She went on X Factor, she made
Speaker 1: it the top twelve. She's absolutely incredible. Josh and Donnie
Speaker 1: were in one of the hottest bands in ash Well
Speaker 1: called King Billy, and they've had their own journeys, so
Speaker 1: we talked about all of that, how they came together
Speaker 1: and their story is incredible. So get excited. Next week
Speaker 1: we have still Steal Union, and make sure if you
Speaker 1: want to watch this, go to my website Caroline Hobby
Speaker 1: dot com and click watch and you can see it
Speaker 1: all on my website on my YouTube page. So join
Speaker 1: us live video if you want to see it that way.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.