WEBVTT - Luke Pell 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:14.880 Carola. She's a queen of talking. He was sown your man. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.239 She's only yes. Actually you got the snoop on the 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:28.360 on the ones to side. No one can do win clide, Carola, Carola, 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:36.320 No one can do win clid Carola, Carola. Hey, y'all, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.800 welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.519 I know music, I know people, and I know the 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.440 questions do you want to ask? So let's get hyper 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.479 heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:54.120 could be adult content, y'all. I'm pretty excited I have 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.040 Luke pell joining me. I know all y'all watched The 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.360 Bachelorette and y'all all were rooting for him to win. 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.520 I am so surprised he didn't win. I thought he 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.440 was gonna be the one. But he talks all about 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.080 his journey on the Bachelorette, what goes on behind the scenes, 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.280 his whole life story, which is so insightful. He is 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.640 so wise for his young age and his country music career. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:16.880 So you guys, get excited. Here is Luke Peale And 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.039 if you want to watch this interview, go to my 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.520 website Caroline Hobby dot com and click watch and you 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:25.840 can see the whole thing here is how are you? 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.360 How you doing good? Thanks for having me on. I'm 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.039 so happy to have you here. I'm glad to be 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.800 here as early as it is a fresh face. Though. Hey, 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.600 I tried to get up and just hold it together. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.880 You have like a daily routine that you do in 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.960 the morning. It's called rollover, put a T shirt on, 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.600 and go for it, say a guy. It is so 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.600 you guys don't even know how lucky you have. I know, yeah, 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:51.840 i'd be I'd be a terrible girl. I mean because 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:53.880 I have to curl her hair, put on makeup, do 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:55.960 the whole thing. It's I don't know how you guys 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:59.280 do it. It's like hours of every day. It's spent 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.560 like find it exhausted. Yes, And you can just like 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:10.720 run your hands through hair. Yeah yeah, so not really 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.680 just sleep well and you're fine. Okay, So I want 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.400 to start off with a little rapid fire because everyone 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.000 knows you from The Bachelor at you kind of rose 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.280 to fame on that. But there's so much more. We're 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:24.600 going to cover it all, but gonna sart a little 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.480 rapid fact it. Okay, So the first thing that comes 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:37.120 to mind dating complicated? Yeah, what's so complicated about dating? Everything? Now? 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.080 You know, it's like from being because that's I mean, 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:41.880 that's how everybody knows me now is because the TV show. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.840 So is it hard to date on TV? Um? No, 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.600 it's actually simple to date on TV because everybody knows 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:49.760 the drill. Like it's like, you know, it's a thing 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.960 you have, you know, producers basically telling you what your 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.240 rules are? What are your rules how to date? Are 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.040 your rules of dating on the show? You have a 0:02:58.120 --> 0:02:59.880 date card today? So you get to go on it 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.320 eight with somebody. You know. It's like you don't you 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.440 can't like text somebody or like column or whatever. You 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.000 just have to give no prerogative of your of your own. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.400 It's all like basically based off of what you're allowed 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.760 to do. So yeah, so it's like, ah, today I'm 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:15.360 gonna go on a one one day. We're gonna go 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.400 dog sledding to the woods of Pennsylvania in a go 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:21.320 cart and then we're gonna go to a concert and uh, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.360 you know whatever. You have a hot tub in the woods. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.040 So it's like okay, great, always just go for it. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.920 Got the hot there's always a hot tub. Scene. Maybe 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.680 two hot tubs scenes per season, so you gotta get 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.079 a good make out in the hot tub. I got 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.000 the first hot tub scene. I wouldn't I wasn't mad 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:39.760 at that good. Is it interesting having having how many 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.440 guys are on there? Usually? Is it interesting having one girl? 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.320 Like what if you don't have chemistry with that girl? 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.720 And like did you know who the girl was before? No, 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.640 we didn't know, And so what if you see he 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:52.560 and like you just aren't feeling it? Well, we had, 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.120 we had, we kind of knew it was like one 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.440 of two girls before we get there. Um, like what 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.760 if it's not a man? But yeah, if it's not 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:02.640 a match, I mean I think some guys they stay 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.320 around and you have a couple of choices. You can 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.560 decided to be like the villain of the show, and 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.960 then you can stay around if you want to participate longer. 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.040 That that would be Chad. Yeah, he was crazy. He 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.000 was crazy. And that's the first, like the first question 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.359 I always get, like, oh, you're in a a Bachelor that's awesome? 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.080 Uh is it scripted? And then usually the next question 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.359 is was Chad that crazy? He just drives that question. 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.000 Everybody asked me that airport, Starbucks wherever I'm at. Well, 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.120 he just had like anger. I felt like, yeah, well 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.720 I think that um he might have had. He might 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:33.720 have had it was a little disillusioned with with what 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.720 he was getting into. And then once he saw that 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.160 that frustration that he showed kind of paid off and 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.080 was like the producers like kind of rewarded him for it. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.760 Then it became a thing. You know, they like the 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:47.680 character he was building. Yeah, and so it's kind of 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.920 like you know, creating, you know, like like a storyline, 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:55.480 like somebody has like a dog and they like torment it. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.760 It becomes like fighting becomes its thing, you know. And 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.920 so that's right, like what they did. I would keep 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.240 poking the bear until ages that's not very nice, became 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.560 the full beast that Chad is, you know, the full, 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.279 the full chat full chat bear, the full reality TV 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.440 villain of all time. Did you have any best friends 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.880 that you met on the show? Um, you know, it's funny. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.680 You're like competing and stuff against each other trying to 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.360 date the same person. So all the guys that are 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.159 most similar to each other on the show are also 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:29.159 in the most competitive for each other. So you don't 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.320 really become friends on the show that much. You kind 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.080 of do because it's kind of a weird deal. Again, 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:34.960 it's a reality TV, so it's not the same as 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:36.960 it is in the real world, so people, the jealousy 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.000 and stuff is not the same. But I think after 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.600 the same. It's just like you know, if you start 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.680 dating somebody in the real world and you've been dating 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.600 on three months or whatever, and you find out that 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.720 they're texting someone else or like piss, Yeah, it's like 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.720 a big deal, Like you're mad, like you feel like 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.760 a trust thing. There's issues and always and on there. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.440 It's kind of like, well whatever, like you know, you 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.800 already know night one, she's just probably making out with 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.640 three other guys in the next time after you are. 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.560 So is that like crazy on the brain? Yeah, I 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.280 mean a little bit, But I mean I think I 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.160 bet it's might be harder for girls. I don't know 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.040 if it's hard for girls and guys are used to 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.440 it because guys don't usually emotionally get us emotionally, yeah, 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.360 exactly like women. I feel like being the Bachelor would 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:25.280 actually be maybe harder because girls can go crazy exactly, 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:31.120 they get very volatile, like emotionally, Yeah, so, um, but 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:32.680 you know, we kind of know how it goes. So 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:34.920 I think the guys after the show is the thing 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.560 where you end up making friends, um, you know, better 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.760 than when we were on there, because it's like you 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.120 have time back in the real world to get to 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.960 know each other. It's like my buddy Wells Adams that's here. Yeah. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.279 So like you know, we've become really good friends since 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.240 the show, you know, just probably because we're both in Nashville, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.720 but you know, we're just both you know, similar about 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.720 how we live our lives. We're both you know, someone 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:58.839 in the entertainment industry as well, and it's just we 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.760 have a lot of common so um. So Wells is 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.520 one other body of mine, um who's been going through 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.640 a lot of tough stuff outside of TV lately is 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.279 Chris Souls, who was the guy from Iowa who was 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.280 a bachelor like three years ago. Oh yeah, and and 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.240 so we've done some events together over the past year 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.840 and became really close, became good friends, and uh, he's 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.080 seemed like a sweetheart. He's a great he's a really 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.360 good guy. He really is. Love Chris. He's a great 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.600 people person and uh, just you know everybody that meets him, 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.760 loves him to death as he's just a great guy, 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.520 you know, and so it's unfortunate that, um, he had 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.880 to go through, um this accident, everything that he's been 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.920 dealing with over the last couple of weeks. Um, but 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.320 you know, things happen, and you know, you never know 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.720 when accidents are going to happen. Trategies what happened. So anyway, 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.320 so yeah, vachel Nation sticks together, Huh, they do they 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.600 You know, Bachelor Nation is is such an interesting thing 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.000 now that this whole last year, I've gotten to be 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.080 exposed to it and kind of understand like, oh, everybody 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.920 from past seasons, we all have this bond, this common 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.120 bond that we've all been through the same thing. You know, 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:07.280 We've been through this reality TV like lab rat social experiment. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.560 So we have this like it's totally the way to 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.600 put it, hume, because no one really understands, right've been 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.600 like through that for eight weeks, and I mean it's 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.960 like you're just completely um, you know, taken away from 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:22.560 the rest of the world, isolated from the rest of 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.800 the world and no phone, on internet all this stuff. 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.040 So he's like, oh my god, this is this is 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.200 like no other experience in my life, and it's involving 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.080 heartstrings and love, which adds a new element. It's not 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.040 just like a reality show where you're like reality show, 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.360 but you're also supposed to be emotional and really vulnerable 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.480 and wanting to maybe get married. Married I mean, at 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.480 the end of the show, is the biggest thing decision. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.239 so we'll keep inching closer to the Hunger Games every 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.440 every season in the Batchel bastlor At. How did it 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.520 feel though, to make it all the way to end? 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:59.040 Did you get fourth or third? I can't believe Robbie 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:03.960 got second. I means a good guy. I know he's 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.080 a great guy, but how does it feel to get 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.960 that close and to feel like you have this connection 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.760 and then to realize that other people have it too. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.040 I'm sure you're so tired. We just have to talk 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.559 about a little No, I'm good. It's it's uh yeah, 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.480 it's it's a little bit. It's really weird. I mean 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.640 at the end, people are like, oh, is it fake, scripted? Whatever? Um? 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.200 And I always tell him, you know, it's like when 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.520 you do go to the hometown time frame, like when 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.400 you're like introducing them to your family, and stuff, and 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.920 you're like, okay, wait a minute, this this is no 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.960 longer just circus tricks and like reality TV, like one 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.839 of us is going to like really bring this person 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.120 back to Christmas this year, you know what I mean 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.120 with the family. Is that an exciting thought or is 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.240 that a terrifying thought? It's just a little bit of both. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.680 It's just like a very sobering thought. You're just like 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.400 that's when you got really introspective. At that point, You're like, Okay, 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.480 let's go through this in my mind, like is this 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.000 the right person for me? Like you would do in 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.920 real life about thinking about like you know, is that 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.880 person the right person or the right time in your 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.360 life to get me married? And you just go back 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.319 through that you know, kind of list of priorities and say, 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:06.480 oh am I ready. So yeah, did you actually when 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.280 you how did you sign up for the Bachelor? How 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.440 did you even get on this journey? Any story? My 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.839 So the lady that did my hair, You've got great hair, 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:16.960 so you got to trust her opinion. I mean she 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:20.040 doesn't she's a great job. Yeah. So the lady that 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.320 did my hair, This is like a year before I 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.120 was actually called by the casting department she had kind 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:27.400 of like she tried to set me up people that 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.280 came into the slat. She's like, you should meet this girl. 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.240 This is actually back in Texas when I was like 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.360 half and half back in Texas, Like this was three 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.800 year almost four years ago, now, okay, because you're from 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.840 Texas in the army. Yeah, and then moved to Nashville 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.960 to do music before the Batchlart. Yes, I was. I 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:44.840 did the military for nine years and then I was 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.640 in corporate America for about like three years. What um. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.720 I was an engineer in old company in Oklahoma City 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.200 doing all this stuff. Yeah, and then I worked for 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.280 consulting firm good sales and some business development things for 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.640 them UM down near Houston, Texas. And so that's where 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.079 I was at that point. And so she tried to 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:03.560 set me up with some people that she's like, you 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.520 know what, it doesn't work out, I'm just gonna sign 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.000 you up for the Bachelor. That's what you should do. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:08.480 I was like, you know, we kind of made a 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.920 joke out of it, like that's funny whatever, and she 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.760 really did it. And then a year later they called 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.800 me and they're like, hey, we had this packet turned in. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.720 I don't know, maybe somebody else turned one into and uh, 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:20.640 and so I was like, sure, why not, they should 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.920 be coming to Nashville. We want to interview you. So 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.560 we met over at the Sheridan and uh, they like 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.600 did like a little mock interview on camera, and um 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.240 that was it and they flew in too, l A. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:36.040 We did the full on um you know, producer meetings 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.040 there and then we were filming like a month later, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.200 So yeah, that's pretty quick. The whole thing is I 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.320 can't kiss people unless I liked them. And obviously now 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.680 I'm married, so like I don't have to worry about that. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.200 But if I wouldn't have had a connection with someone, 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.240 I don't think I could make myself make out of them. 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.760 I mean I think there was probably some people that 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.959 were on the whole season that didn't make out with her, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.280 and that's why that there was never they stayed there, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.719 but there was never like that physical chemistry. And they 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.520 talk about that how it's like we just don't have 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.319 the connection or Okay, but what if you didn't have 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.840 a connection but you were about like three glasses of 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:11.040 wine deep, Well, I'd have to be three for sure, 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.000 because that's the other that's the other trick. They just 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.760 like feed the alcoholic people. They're like everybody anybody can 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.959 make out handle See what they'll say, see what they'll do. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.199 Everything just goes up by a great percentage of the 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.040 likelihood of just people saying crazy things and a crazy things, 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.200 and to be hammered on national TV making out is 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.679 like crazy the crazies stuff that happen behind the scenes 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.280 or the honest scenes that like, I mean, it's just weird, 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:40.079 Like you know, you like most people I've never seen myself. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.160 Are you making out with somebody? Did you? Like? I 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.440 don't know what it looks like? Well, I mean I 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.840 heard it was actually good. A lot of people like 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.040 this lady comes to the show last week in Pittsburgh. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.640 She's like seventy, you know, and she's like, I watched 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.480 that hot tubs scene with you every night. I was like, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.400 I don't know if that's like was freaky. I was like, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.680 oh my god, you're a sweet littlettle lady. And I 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.599 don't know how I felt about this right now, A 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.800 little embarrassed ladies got to get their rocks off too. 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.120 I was like, all right, fair enough, you you watched 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:15.000 that hot tub scene. Okay, that's hilarious. Yeah, anyway, that 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.320 was kind of weird watching, you know, like yourself do that. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.480 But I went through it, and you learned a little 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.640 like all the new you get annoyed watching all the 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.200 things that you kind of knew you did, but you 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:29.160 didn't stop doing what annoyed you about yourself. Just you know. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.560 I would like when I got nervous, for instance, I 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.480 was trying to get in a deep conversation at dinner 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.280 or something, I would start saying like a lot when 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.120 I was trying to think my way through my words 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.360 and very carefully navigate how what I was talking about, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.480 I was like, you know, like and I was like, 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.480 oh my god, I said like forty seven times in 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.360 that conversation. That's so annoying. But you know, it's just 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.720 a little things. So do you feel like Jojo and 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.080 Jordan are a good match? Yeah, they seem to be. 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:58.600 Do you think you would have been happy if you 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.880 were the one? Would you still be together? Um? Yeah, 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:04.400 I think we would too. Yeah. I mean, so I'm 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.040 one of those people that you know, and maybe people 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.360 are mad at me for this, but I don't think 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.720 there's just one person in the whole world. Some people 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.679 are like, oh, there's there's that one person that's right 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.560 for you. I don't think that's necessarily true. I think 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.160 there it just depends on the situation and kind of 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.040 just it's a choice you make, and you can make 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:26.960 that great and make that choice you know worthwhile, um 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:28.800 after the fact. But I think you just have to 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.600 live with your choice of who you end up with, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:32.760 you know, and that's part of it, and you kind 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.680 of grow together and build a relationship together. But it's 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.320 not necessarily one person is going to be better than 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.960 the other, but you know, maybe different. So what are 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:45.120 your views on marriage considering you went on like marriage show? 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.480 I mean what about I mean, I think I love marriage. 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.360 I think my parents are such an inspiration to me. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:55.400 They've been married literally thirty thirty nine years and uh so, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.560 I mean they were married when they were one years 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.080 old and they just stayed together the whole time. And 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.560 uh would you have they given you any marriage advice? 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.840 Have you learned anything from their marriage? Yeah? You know, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.560 it's one of those things. I when we came home 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.640 to film the show, I was asking my dad, like 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.160 having the conversation on Canada, do you feel about it, right, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.000 and so it's on camera. So it's like, I don't know, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.720 if you know, people are you're a little bit more 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.720 careful with what you say and how you say it, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.280 and you kind of reach for deeper conversations and things 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.720 and maybe you wouldn't the other situations. So I was like, 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:28.680 you know, how did you know that mom was the 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.040 right one when you decided to get married? And he was. 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:32.800 He told me, he said, you know, we had been 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.440 broken up, and um, He's like, I couldn't live a 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.840 day without her. He's like, that's how He's like, So 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.760 I had He's like, I came back and he's he's like, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.240 there's one day I just came back to town and 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.000 I just told her how I felt I couldn stay 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.000 away from her. I was like, oh my god. I 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.160 was like, I've never heard my dad say that day 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.440 the story before, and so anyway, I think that, you know, 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:56.160 it was just interesting, you know, going through that and 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.920 and hearing it just it really opened my eyes up 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.520 to even my you know, myself, my family and just 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.000 the whole situation kind of what my what I want 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.080 for my future, made me think about it, maybe verbalize it, 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.200 maybe talk about it. So what if now a verbalizing 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.840 your future and your ideal plan. What is like your 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.840 five your five year dream plan for Lupell tenure dream plan. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.640 That's always a moving target. Uh, you don't have it 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.000 all nailed down. I haven't got it all nail down. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.200 Maybe some people do. I don't know. That's great. Um No, 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.400 I'm so happy to be. I got to a point 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.800 where I got out of the military and then I 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.080 went to this is that experience because that's amazinging and 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.080 a huge part of your life. You have podcasts on 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.600 podcasts about just the military experience. But um, I was 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.360 in nine years, four years in um College, which as 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.560 at West Point, which is like in the summertime we 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.680 do military training, and then you're basically you know, I 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.200 played football there, so you go to school and I 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.120 played a sport during uh you know, spring and fall semesters, 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.000 and then in the summer we do like military training. 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.400 So anyway, that was four years, then five years. I 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.480 was an officer afterwards, and you were in Afghanistan for 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.520 how many years? I was in an Afghanistan for a year. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.040 So it was amazing. What did you learn? What's your 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.320 takeaway from all that? Because that's a huge perspective that 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.640 most people don't get to see. I think that, you know, um, 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.600 I think it's just for people to It opened my 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.440 eyes to the rest of the world, you know, and 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.199 my worldview was so much broader after that. How did 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.119 it broaden, you know, once I've seen a third world 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.399 country as we came and see that, Hey, you know, 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.679 this is the other end of the spectrum of you 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.680 live this um this privileged twenty one century Western eyes 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:42.000 life and in the US where you can do completely 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.600 whatever you want with your life, or do nothing with 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:49.000 your life and l repercussions for it, um or you 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.600 can you know. Also there's these people that are living 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.360 in Afghanistan that have nothing to their name other than 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.440 you know, a bag of rice and a car battery 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.240 to keep a flashlight on and their mud hut at night, 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.160 you know. And so you just see that the spectrum 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.879 of humanity and and then and then also this whole 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.240 situation of war is thrown into the same thing, and 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.560 you're in the middle of it. And now you're you're 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.480 a you know, you're a a part of a vehicle 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.359 catalyst of the war, you know, in acting in that 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.200 um war and so it's just a really interesting thing 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.080 to go through that and how did that make you 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.679 feel with all those different thoughts happening. So, I mean, 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:30.479 it's a lot. I think it's different for a lot 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.320 of different people. It depends on your background, on what 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.720 you come through. You know, my undergrad was in sociology, 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.639 so I kind of had a foundation of understanding people 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.800 and culture and why people do the things that they do. 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:42.800 And so I think I was really glad that I 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.800 studied that in school and then came out with that 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.959 degree because it helped me kind of understand that culture, 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.639 understand my soldiers culture and what they're going through and 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.840 how to deal with those, you know, life and death situations. 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.399 And you know, there's just there's just so many things 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.919 that we can unpack about, you know, issues that so 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.600 wliers deal with being away from their own families, um, 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.640 being in combat, um, you know, dealing with another culture, 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:09.879 of the differences in the two cultures. Like, there's just 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:11.879 so much and then and then there's a whole like 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:15.359 theoretical political science conversation of why you're there in the 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.840