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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech stuff. I'ma's veloscan and this is the

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Speaker 1: story this week. Something quite prescient. Have you ever been

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Speaker 1: deep faked? Or maybe this is just a new fear

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Speaker 1: that photos of you end up online that are you

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Speaker 1: but not really you? What do you do? For an

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Speaker 1: increasing number of people, especially women, this is becoming a reality,

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Speaker 1: so much so that a recent bill in Congress called

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Speaker 1: the Take It Down Act has found some incredibly rare

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Speaker 1: bipartisan support. The bill is sponsored by Republican Senator Ted

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Speaker 1: Cruz and Democrat Senator Amy Klobuchar, making it illegal to

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Speaker 1: post explicit deep fakes. Milania Trump has also been a

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Speaker 1: vocal supporter. But the thing is it isn't law yet,

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Speaker 1: and it might not be enough. A new podcast called

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Speaker 1: Levittown from Bloomberg News and our company Kaleidoscope, takes listeners

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Speaker 1: on a sort of cyber thriller for the AI age.

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Speaker 1: It's the story of a group of young women in

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Speaker 1: the suburbs of Long Island who find naked fakes of

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Speaker 1: themselves online, and, when told there's nothing they can do

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Speaker 1: about it, set out to catch the perpetrator. This ends

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Speaker 1: up connecting them to a web of online vigilantes and

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Speaker 1: cyber criminals taking advantage of a justice system not ready

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Speaker 1: for the reality of AI. This week on text Stuff,

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Speaker 1: we bring you the first episode in the series. If

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Speaker 1: you like what you hear, jump over to the Levittown

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Speaker 1: podcast feed and listen to the series in full.

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Speaker 2: The series explores sexualized imagery involving miners and violence. Please

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Speaker 2: take here when listening. Can we start from the beginning?

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Speaker 2: How did this all start for you?

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Speaker 3: So I can go back into it? Remember somehow all

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Speaker 3: these pictures from my Instagram by Visco were all on

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Speaker 3: this website. There was one picture of me in a

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Speaker 3: bathing suit, well it was me in a bathing suit

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Speaker 3: in one of my friend's backyards and I didn't have

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Speaker 3: a bathing suit on anymore. And it was just me naked,

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Speaker 3: well not me, but me with someone else's body parts

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Speaker 3: on my body parts. It was just boobs and body

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Speaker 3: parts completely nude that looked so much like my own body.

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Speaker 3: There were so many different pictures from my social media

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Speaker 3: on essentially a porn website. I was just trying to

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Speaker 3: figure out exactly, like where is this coming from? Like

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Speaker 3: how are they finding my stuff? I didn't let people

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Speaker 3: follow me that I didn't know, so it was always

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Speaker 3: in the back of my head like, oh, it's someone

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Speaker 3: that I know, But how do you find out who

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Speaker 3: that someone is when you know so many people from school, soccer,

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Speaker 2: Did you even have any suspicions as to who it

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Speaker 4: No, not at all.

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Speaker 3: It was always like, why is this happening?

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Speaker 4: Who is this?

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Speaker 2: Kayla was twenty years old and living at home with

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Speaker 2: her parents in a town that was once the picture

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Speaker 2: of the American dream, a long Island suburb called Leavettown.

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Speaker 2: We're driving around Leavittown. A lot of white picket fences,

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Speaker 2: a lot of American flags. It has the feel of

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Speaker 5: This is Levittown, one of the most remarkable housing developments

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Speaker 2: It's the kind of America that makes you think of

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Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties cookie cutter single family houses. Like someone

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Speaker 2: hit control C on the ideal suburban house and then

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Speaker 5: The idea that came to a man named Bill Levitt

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Speaker 5: this why not apply to the building of houses the

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Speaker 5: same principles that have brought other American industries to there

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Speaker 5: On Accel Peaks of efficiency and service.

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Speaker 2: Levittown was built for veterans returning from World War II

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Speaker 2: as the picture of white suburbia. Perfect houses, manicured.

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Speaker 5: Lawns started here and there Throughout the huge area are

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Speaker 2: Today we often talk about the future as digital algorithms

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Speaker 2: and codes, as the architecture of our lives. But back then,

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Speaker 2: Levittown was the imagined future. It just feels like quite

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Speaker 2: a story unfolding of a group of women faced with

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Speaker 2: setting for a horror movie, and that's exactly what played out.

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Speaker 2: But this isn't your average horror story, the kind where

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Speaker 2: band together and fight back alongside some unexpected global allies,

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Speaker 2: forcing law enforcement and tech companies to sit up and

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Speaker 2: take notice from iHeart podcasts, Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. This is Livettown.

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Speaker 2: I'm Olivia Carvill. Over the summer, our producer Julia Nutter,

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Speaker 2: and I made the drive out to Long Island to

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Speaker 2: meet Kayla at her family home.

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Speaker 4: I can hear music.

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Speaker 6: How are you nice?

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Speaker 4: It's to see too. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 7: Let me just do a quick levels check.

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Speaker 3: Oh do you want me to put the bird in

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Speaker 3: another room?

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Speaker 7: I don't even hear the bird.

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Speaker 6: The bird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kayla is like a firecracker. She's small but loud,

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Speaker 2: with brightly colored hair. Every time I've seen her, her

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Speaker 2: hair is a different color. She's covered in tattoos and piercings.

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh, yeah, what kind of bird is that?

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Speaker 4: A parakeet? So he likes to talk to himself a lot.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel comfortable showing us where you were when

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Speaker 2: you discovered the website? When you were showing it, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a little messy. Kayla's twenty four now. When we

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Speaker 3: Well, I see all your plants and it's great, as

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Speaker 2: I love my books in high school. Kayla was an

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Speaker 3: People make it seem like there's either a popular group

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Speaker 3: But I had my friends who we would just sit

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Speaker 4: I have the tattoos.

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Speaker 3: All over, I have piercings all over, and I truly

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Speaker 4: I just like I changed a lot. I have a

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Speaker 4: This one, it's one of my favorites. It's tell Me

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Speaker 3: Tell Me About Tomorrow is one of my favorite songs

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Speaker 3: because whenever I'm in a depressive state or just not

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Speaker 3: next day that's going to go on in your life.

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Speaker 3: When I was going through this situation, I was not

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Speaker 3: mentally doing good at all, and it told me you

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a lot of the tattoos are important

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Speaker 2: or getting over this situation as you described it. Do

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Speaker 3: I remember being in my bed, just laying down. It

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Speaker 4: I was in that corner. My bad was up against

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I was on my phone, just scrolling

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Speaker 4: He always knocks on the door. So he knocked and

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Speaker 2: It was the faked picture of her naked, and next

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Speaker 4: It was. I always had trouble saying these parts.

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Speaker 2: So they were ranking what they wanted to do to

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Speaker 2: She kept scrolling and it got worse.

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Speaker 3: You would see what they posted, like their nude pictures

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Speaker 3: My dad was very confused. He asked me what this

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Speaker 4: So that's how we found out about the website.

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Speaker 2: Kylas is Her dad is a big guy, big personality

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Speaker 3: For me, specifically, I was playing soccer and competitively, so

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Speaker 3: like exactly what we found.

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Speaker 2: When he shows you the phone, what is the photograph

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Speaker 4: I'm almost passive.

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Speaker 8: It was the one with the bikini taking off my

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Speaker 8: parts that looked exactly like my own.

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Speaker 2: Was there ever a moment even and a split seecond

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Speaker 3: I definitely like at first, like I was like, oh

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Speaker 3: Like I was obviously wearing a bikini, and I remember

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Speaker 3: But I just like instantly I was like, whoa, how

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Speaker 7: That has made it a lot cheaper and easier to

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Speaker 3: Seeing what people had to say about my boy as

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Speaker 4: Me or milk me.

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Speaker 3: I remember a lot of mine was with my braces,

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Speaker 2: After learning about the website, Kayla's biggest question was who

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Speaker 3: I didn't really know what there was to do. After

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Speaker 2: In an instant. Kayla's story got so much bigger. From there,

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Speaker 7: What she didn't and couldn't know, but what Olivia and

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Speaker 7: This season on Lovett Town.

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Speaker 9: There are things you don't want to believe about your friends.

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Speaker 9: You kind of think that the people in your circle

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Speaker 10: This individual was just out to ruin their lives for

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Speaker 8: Have certain police officers there will wait for calls that

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Speaker 8: I'm the person that will go and hunt people.

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Speaker 5: They call it an arms race between law enforcement and technology,

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Speaker 4: We are absolutely losing.

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Speaker 2: produced by Kate Osborne. Original composition and mixing by Steve

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Speaker 2: bone Leavittown archival clips provided by screen Ocean Clips and Footage.

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Speaker 2: Our Bloomberg editors are Caitlyn Kenney and Jeff Grocock. Additional

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Speaker 2: reporting by Samantha Stewart. Sage Bowman is Bloomberg's executive producer

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Speaker 2: and head of Podcasting. Kristin Powers is our senior executive editor.

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Speaker 2: From iHeart, Our executive producers are Tyler Klang and Nicki Etoor.

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Speaker 2: Leavittown is a production of Bloomberg, Kaleidoscope and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: That was the first episode of the six part series Levittown.

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Speaker 1: your podcasts, It's simply called Levittown. Thanks for listening. We'll

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Speaker 1: my co host Cara with the week in Tech.