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Speaker 1: to have names, and their conversation has to be about
Speaker 1: something other than a male. Yeah, and we've explained it
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Speaker 1: there's a couple we missed. But people yellous when we
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Speaker 1: talk about Alfred mill, which is like, I don't I
Speaker 1: barely believe that, but it's possible. In any case. We
Speaker 1: have a guest, as we always do, we have a guest.
Speaker 1: So our guest today he's a delight. He lives in Actually,
Speaker 1: it's totally makes sense that you love this movie because
Speaker 1: this is such a loud, obnoxious, long Island style movie.
Speaker 1: On am I allowed to shut up? Okay, he's got
Speaker 1: a podcast. It's called TV Casualty. It's on what network
Speaker 1: Machine shout out to life. It's my Hi, Hi. I
Speaker 1: think we should address this. We're sitting beside each other.
Speaker 1: It feels it's weird. I don't want to make eye
Speaker 1: contact with Mike. I'd rather kill myself. But he's right,
Speaker 1: they're so happy to be here. We're doing a bad
Speaker 1: job as hosts and I'm being an exceptional guest. Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the movie, which is Beetlejuice. And you
Speaker 1: picked this movie. Why did you pick this movie? What's
Speaker 1: your history with it? How many times have you seen it?
Speaker 1: Let's see, I've probably seen this movie to hunt times,
Speaker 1: like a lot. It was like it was like a
Speaker 1: big movie of my childhood. I liked it. I would
Speaker 1: rent it from the library pretty often. You were like
Speaker 1: watching Beetle Juice in Long Island, just sitting just sitting
Speaker 1: on the couch in my parents house, just loving Beetle Juice,
Speaker 1: eating a bunch of dorrito's, really having a good time
Speaker 1: to do a young one on a rider. Of course,
Speaker 1: every day, every day is a day that I am
Speaker 1: trying hard not to get the Winona Forever tattoo that
Speaker 1: Johnny had every day of my life. I have a
Speaker 1: friend named Sammy who has that tattoo. There is it
Speaker 1: Winona because Johnny has Wino for every change, which also
Speaker 1: like doesn't bode well with this current persona, Like it's
Speaker 1: just you can't win with that tattoo. Also, he's a
Speaker 1: coward for getting it removed. Just live with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I covered up what is forever. Time is a construct.
Speaker 1: That's true, You're right, but yeah, probably the first time
Speaker 1: I probably saw it was probably like six or seven,
Speaker 1: because I was like, this is like kids movie. It
Speaker 1: seems fun. And then the first time I thought, I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, it looks like like you'd think, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd think, but it's not. That's kind of the Tim
Speaker 1: Burton thing, where like everything looks like a kid's movie,
Speaker 1: but it also makes you feel very uncomfortable for a while,
Speaker 1: as like like Edward scissor Hands maybe feel very uncomfortable
Speaker 1: as a child until I realized what it was. I
Speaker 1: was very horny for Edward sussor Hands. Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: don't share that sentiment, but I liked that movie a
Speaker 1: lot for at least some span of time. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it in a while. It's a crier, it's a
Speaker 1: sad one. You're gonna feel things, you're gonna be you're
Speaker 1: gonna feel compassionate, you're gonna real light with a white man.
Speaker 1: It's going to be confusing every seas. The hand is
Speaker 1: very hot. Well, that movie. That movie, and I think
Speaker 1: Beetle Juice also, and probably a lot of Tim Burton
Speaker 1: movies don't make any sense. No, yeah, I okay, we'll
Speaker 1: get into it. I don't like Beetle Juice. The movie
Speaker 1: very much feminist, psychon feminist, feminist. One of my problems,
Speaker 1: one of my several problems with the movie Beetle Juice,
Speaker 1: is that he's so grotesque to look at that he's
Speaker 1: too hot. I didn't like scabs all over his Forehead's
Speaker 1: right now, you know what? That kind of makes sense
Speaker 1: why Jamie likes him covered covered in scabs. He has
Speaker 1: one suit, pinch stripes, he eats bugs, He's a disgusting pervert.
Speaker 1: He has no respect for women. This is like my
Speaker 1: kind of guy. Yeah, but mostly a time, mostly the scabs.
Speaker 1: It's mostly the scabs and the like pancake face facial makeup.
Speaker 1: Well when did you foresee it? I would guess like
Speaker 1: early teens. I've seen it maybe four or five times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I like, I don't know what. It seems like
Speaker 1: the kind of movie that I would like, really really
Speaker 1: get into. But I think I avoided it after a
Speaker 1: while because I didn't want to get looped in with
Speaker 1: the hot topic kids. I wanted to be a hot
Speaker 1: topic kid. But I like, unlike other clicks, that I
Speaker 1: tried to ingratiate myself into a k the anime kids
Speaker 1: who rejected me heartily, the Juggalos who rejected me heartily.
Speaker 1: But there are a family. They're not for me. Not
Speaker 1: if you have a back brace and you can't play
Speaker 1: Hacky Sack. Juggals. I know the Juggalos. I know, like
Speaker 1: you had to be able to play Hacky Sack. If
Speaker 1: you were physically not able to play Hacky Sack, that's
Speaker 1: the one thing that would mean you can't be seen
Speaker 1: so many pictures of Juggalos who definitely couldn't play Hacky Sack.
Speaker 1: These ones very accepting. They were very accepting people. They
Speaker 1: really are, Like there's a they did, like a march
Speaker 1: for a quality. Anyways, there's a documentary about feminism at
Speaker 1: the gathering of the Juggalos. I didn't know what a
Speaker 1: Juggler was until I was like twenty eight, Like, well
Speaker 1: that's wild, yeah, so be it. When I saw it.
Speaker 1: I remember being on the TV when I was like
Speaker 1: probably six and only remembering the image of like that
Speaker 1: stripy worm like going through the sand, and that was
Speaker 1: the only thing I remember about it, And I don't
Speaker 1: think I saw it since then until a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago when I watched it to prep for this episode,
Speaker 1: So I like lived my life thing. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: about Beetle Juice. I've seen it and I know the
Speaker 1: things about it. And it turns out I don't like
Speaker 1: I hadn't and like I said, I don't like it
Speaker 1: that much. Uh sorry, everyone, but I have reasons and
Speaker 1: they're good. So okay, I forgot about who is in
Speaker 1: Beetle Juice. I forgot. I totally forgot Alec Baldwin's and
Speaker 1: Beetle Juice. And he looked the hottest he's ever. God's
Speaker 1: it's it's everything's tight, doesn't have the right color. Isn't
Speaker 1: that big gallon of milkheady as a now he looks,
Speaker 1: Oh god, skinny head. And and I love Gina Davis
Speaker 1: out of control. She's good and Winona didn't remember her
Speaker 1: being in it, didn't remember Katherine o. Harriby kills in
Speaker 1: Wanna Want To. I can't think of a movie that's
Speaker 1: worse for her being there. Oh wait, she makes everything better,
Speaker 1: she makes everything great. She's amazing. And then the guy
Speaker 1: who plays her husband in that movie is in my
Speaker 1: favorite Tim Burton movie. I don't remember the actor's name,
Speaker 1: but he's in Sleepy Hollow, which that is my favorite.
Speaker 1: It's good, you know, it's Johnny Depp being Johnny Depp,
Speaker 1: which turns out as a piece of ship. But it's
Speaker 1: a great it's a fun little thing. He was the
Speaker 1: principal in Ferris Bueller. Oh okay, I saw that movie
Speaker 1: just the other day. Jeffrey Jones is the actor's name?
Speaker 1: Was here? There was an actor who I believe was
Speaker 1: recently in the last couple of years, definitely arrested for
Speaker 1: some sort of child crime the podcast Love Perverted. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it was him, but I feel
Speaker 1: like it was him. Okay, well, what's his name again,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Jones? Continue to talk? I need to know. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well should I do the recap? Sure? Yeah, what's it about? Well,
Speaker 1: my favorite movie, Beetle Juice is about beetle juice. And
Speaker 1: if you had to say that three times on beetle Juice,
Speaker 1: beetle jice, and then he does the cute I love him.
Speaker 1: So okay. Beetle Juice centers around a married couple, Adam
Speaker 1: and Barbara Maitland, which if I were to marry Adam
Speaker 1: or Barbara Maitland. My name would be okayln Maitland, so
Speaker 1: I might do that observation. Thank you so much. So.
Speaker 1: Adam is played by Alec Baldwin and Barbara is Gina Davis.
Speaker 1: And they're living in this house and they love their house.
Speaker 1: They built a model of the town in their attic
Speaker 1: and they're having a great time and they go out
Speaker 1: to the store and then they fall off a bridge.
Speaker 1: They crash off of a bridge and die. Uh. And
Speaker 1: it takes them a while to figure out that they've died.
Speaker 1: But they're back in their house and they're like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, what's this book? The handbook for the recently deceased.
Speaker 1: They're still hot, they're not gross, ugly, scabby ghosts like
Speaker 1: beetle juices. They're still cute because he's the ghost with
Speaker 1: the most So they start to piece together that they
Speaker 1: are dead and that their ghosts, and this new family
Speaker 1: moves in and that's and confirmed the sex offender. Oh no,
Speaker 1: Katherine Hair and the sex offender coming to the CBS. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a sex offender too. Well. Misbehaving bad. That's that's
Speaker 1: why I say to all sex offenders bad, no misbehaving,
Speaker 1: that's bad. Slap on the wrist for you. Basically, that's
Speaker 1: what happened. He had to go to he had to
Speaker 1: go to counseling and then just be like, Hi, I'm
Speaker 1: respected actor, you know, disgraced human Jeffrey Jones, I'm a
Speaker 1: sex offender. Isn't that always the way it? Actually? Ever
Speaker 1: come to your door and been like, I'm a sex offender. No,
Speaker 1: that's never happened to me. I feel like there were
Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, there are a ton of sex
Speaker 1: offenders in my neighborhood, and like, who's checking to make
Speaker 1: sure that they tell you? I don't know, right, there
Speaker 1: should be like a case goes along with them to like,
Speaker 1: but then you never, like they're always well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I never. As soon as we got the Internet, my
Speaker 1: mom was obsessed with sex offender like listings to find
Speaker 1: out how close they were to the house, or how
Speaker 1: close they were to the school. Grinder for we got
Speaker 1: one point two miles away. Let's see what's going on.
Speaker 1: The sex offender and Katherine O'Hara, their characters have a
Speaker 1: daughter and that's when you want to ride her. And
Speaker 1: she's she's got black, She's not like the other girls.
Speaker 1: She's got different, she's different, and they move in and
Speaker 1: Adam and Barbara are like, no, this is our house,
Speaker 1: don't move in. And then so they try to hunt
Speaker 1: them and scare them as they can't leave the house
Speaker 1: right because they yeah, the rule is established for whatever
Speaker 1: reasons that they cannot leave their house. So they try
Speaker 1: to scare the diets is who move in, and that
Speaker 1: doesn't work. So then they go to this like afterlife
Speaker 1: waiting room, which is love the waiting tiny head, tiny head,
Speaker 1: tiny head has got it going on, my man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shoulders on that tiny headed guy. It's I mean, it
Speaker 1: really brings out how tiny his head is. Shoulders very
Speaker 1: highlight this side. So they go and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we need help. So they meet with this caseworker Juno,
Speaker 1: and she's like, you guys, gotta be simple, be a
Speaker 1: simple ghost to do some simple hauntings. So then they
Speaker 1: try again to haunt them and scare them out of
Speaker 1: the house and that doesn't work, and then they meet
Speaker 1: the daughter went on a writer's characters. Here's the thing
Speaker 1: about her. She's different at different. Her name is Lydia.
Speaker 1: She's a god. She's got insane bangs and I hate them.
Speaker 1: Oh come they're pointy. They're fine pointy band, They're very
Speaker 1: point She looks sharp. She's a sharp looking kid. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of the whole movie has a lot of
Speaker 1: sharp looking elements in it. Yeah. Do you re the
Speaker 1: scene where Beals juices horny and but then he's also
Speaker 1: sharp when the spikes scir out of his body? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's fun and that's fun. We horn you
Speaker 1: just get very sharp. Yeah, that's literally there's Yeah, Beals
Speaker 1: juices so horny. Yeah, but like literally covered in horns.
Speaker 1: He's covered. Yeah, and he's horny. Do you see it?
Speaker 1: What I'm doing? I get it. I get it. Let
Speaker 1: me explained further. So, um, then they meet Lydia, and
Speaker 1: Lydia is like wait, I can see you guys, and
Speaker 1: they're like holy ship. So they like befriend Lydia, but
Speaker 1: they still hate Lydia's parents, so they're still trying to
Speaker 1: get them out. And then they hear about Beetle Juice. Well,
Speaker 1: because the Catherine O'Hara is the stepmom who's who are
Speaker 1: always evil. Stepmoms are bad. We've stepparents in general are
Speaker 1: bad in movies in real life. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: have any stepparents. It's like, calm down, Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: what I dis rail gets my dad's girlfriend. Five minutes,
Speaker 1: Katherine O'Hara and her her interior designer friend I Love Him,
Speaker 1: are are going through the house and talking about which
Speaker 1: parts they want to tear down. That's when yeah, they're like,
Speaker 1: we gotta call this Beetle Geiss dude. Oh yeah, And
Speaker 1: then they figure out how to summon him. When you
Speaker 1: have to call his name out three times, they figure
Speaker 1: it out, and then they go to his like little
Speaker 1: he's like in hanging out in a cemetery. They have
Speaker 1: to dig him up out of his grave. On the
Speaker 1: pomp and circumstances with Juice. Coming out of the grave,
Speaker 1: he's yelling, he looks like he stinks. I love the
Speaker 1: commercial he has for himself. Yeah, the little song he
Speaker 1: sings at the end, Yeah beautiful. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: sing the song. Okay, I didn't sing the song. Oh
Speaker 1: I want to sing the song probably. Now you know what?
Speaker 1: It is crazy that Michael Keaton is Batman the year
Speaker 1: after Beetle Juice. It's wild right right, Like he's acting
Speaker 1: like the Joker this entire They know a man who
Speaker 1: can anchor a series. That's what they know. They go,
Speaker 1: this is the face of our movie. Is yeah, even
Speaker 1: though beetle Juice, the character is in the movie Beetle
Speaker 1: Juice for seventeen minutes, it's yeah, where is Beetlejuice? That
Speaker 1: for most of the he's not introduced on screen like
Speaker 1: in the flash if you will, in his scabby flesh
Speaker 1: until forty five minutes into the movie. That's my main complaint.
Speaker 1: More be more feminist. It's crazy how little beetle Juice
Speaker 1: is in the movie Beetle Juice. It's it's like it's
Speaker 1: like they're like, oh, we had this movie Forrest Gump.
Speaker 1: Let's follow Jenny around for like a long time. Honestly,
Speaker 1: would have been a more interesting We're coming for We're
Speaker 1: coming for four this I'm serious though, Jenny, she was
Speaker 1: sucking a bunch of dudes. What was Forrest Gump doing?
Speaker 1: He ran across the country, he met the president, he
Speaker 1: played Ping Pong real good. He uh, he fights in
Speaker 1: a war in the boring. But if not for the
Speaker 1: movie for Us Gump, we would not have Bubba Gump
Speaker 1: Strip Company, the restaurant. And I think that that is
Speaker 1: the most important contribution it's made to that's the culture
Speaker 1: that we have. I could seriously go for some Bubba
Speaker 1: gup right now. I'm always going to choose my favorite restaurant, Hooters,
Speaker 1: over anything else. Shout out to Hooters, my former place
Speaker 1: of employment as a delivery driver. Shout out to Hooters.
Speaker 1: All right, let me finish the recap of Beetle Juice
Speaker 1: and then we can do other things. So they consult
Speaker 1: with Beetle Juice and they find out that he's a pervert,
Speaker 1: like within seconds, and they're like, oh, actually, we don't
Speaker 1: want to meet with this guy. But he looks Davis's
Speaker 1: skirt like three seconds after they meet. The first thing
Speaker 1: he does is like he kisses her. Whenever He's just like,
Speaker 1: he's another surprise kiss. We'll get into it, but we
Speaker 1: have a grand legacy of surprise gisses. I would say
Speaker 1: that kiss still is not worse than bread, which way worse. Yes,
Speaker 1: is the worst surprise because we've ever talked about on
Speaker 1: this podcast. It's horrific. I think he's Beetle Juice over
Speaker 1: the top, taking the head in that movie he lunch. No,
Speaker 1: at least he's not covered in scabs. First of all,
Speaker 1: I would preferred be covered in scabs for all of them.
Speaker 1: No one seen him for a while. He could be
Speaker 1: covered in scabs. Now we just don't know. Oh he's now,
Speaker 1: he's around. I keep track of the he's around. Are
Speaker 1: they filming blasts in the past two? No. There, they
Speaker 1: make a scar face, but it's not scar face, it's
Speaker 1: scab face and it starts breaded pressure. Yes, good idea,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. So anyway, they were like, wow, funk,
Speaker 1: we can't work with this beetle juice guy. He's a
Speaker 1: gross pervert. And then the family the deets Is find
Speaker 1: out about the ghosts the Maitlands and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to exploit them, and like have it be
Speaker 1: a whole We're gonna have like a little museum. People
Speaker 1: can come and look at the all the ghosts. It
Speaker 1: almost becomes a roller coaster movie. Oh yeah, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1: But then it doesn't, and then it's a roller coaster
Speaker 1: opportunity Jesus. After that, after they find out and they
Speaker 1: want to exploit, and they invite all their friends up
Speaker 1: from New York City and then they have the dancing,
Speaker 1: a dancing dancing everyone and that party is dressed to
Speaker 1: the Nines. It's always amazing to me, no matter what
Speaker 1: movie it happens in where people dress up to go
Speaker 1: to someone else's house. It's just like, in what world
Speaker 1: would I I mean, I mean, I want you to
Speaker 1: a jacket, but your best in a tuxedo. Mike, you
Speaker 1: you came like looking nice. You know, you had like
Speaker 1: a top layer. Now you're in your your your fun
Speaker 1: vegan punk layer. And I did not come on this
Speaker 1: podcast to be disrespected like this. There's a story every
Speaker 1: if it tells his story. Yeah, no, I'm kidding, it's closed.
Speaker 1: Is your story? Woke up outside, I'm gonna go over
Speaker 1: us in the bathroom. My head somehow slept in a
Speaker 1: tree top. Um. So the next thing that happens, and
Speaker 1: the job is the details are trying to exploit Adam
Speaker 1: and Barbara. Otho now has the book, the Handbook for
Speaker 1: the Recently Deceased, and he like, does this spell or
Speaker 1: something to like summon them, and so he summons Adam
Speaker 1: and Barbara. But they get all like weird and old
Speaker 1: and they start decaying and stuff. So they're like crape right,
Speaker 1: and then Lydia is like, oh ship, I need this
Speaker 1: beetle juice guy's help to fix everything and incomes the
Speaker 1: big problem. You mean when he forces a teenage girl
Speaker 1: to marry him. Okay, the first of all, First he
Speaker 1: turned into a big snake, which I've come for your daughter,
Speaker 1: Come for your daughter, chuck, which is a beautiful line.
Speaker 1: And he said it to a perfect like it's why Yeah,
Speaker 1: a fake perfect says it to a real purpose. That's
Speaker 1: just a little bit of movie magic. Yeah, that's just
Speaker 1: something you can only get in the Burton verse. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that the wedding scene is it's crazy how every like
Speaker 1: everything about it is a big old problem and it's
Speaker 1: still so much fun. Where he's forcing a teenager to
Speaker 1: marry him is actively like kind of like shoving her
Speaker 1: around it and being like and then and then whenever
Speaker 1: Gina Davis tries to speak, he puts a zipper on
Speaker 1: her mouth. He put Yeah, it's every frame a woman
Speaker 1: is in that scene is just like insane. Yeah, Gena
Speaker 1: Davis is arc in that scene. Goes zipper on the mouth,
Speaker 1: metal plate over the mouth, sent to the desert, attacked
Speaker 1: by a giant snack. It really ramps up quickly. It's
Speaker 1: heightening baby rule of threes. So then I mean beetle
Speaker 1: Juice is the rule of three is taken to the
Speaker 1: extreme feminist icon. Beetle juice. Yeah. So the Maitlands are like, no,
Speaker 1: we can't let him marry this teenage girl. So they
Speaker 1: find a way to stop him. Very cool wedding dress on.
Speaker 1: He's not like the other else duh marion suit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they're like, no, we don't marry each other.
Speaker 1: And they save Lydia from being married to a pervert.
Speaker 1: And then Beetle Juice, I forget what happens to him
Speaker 1: at the end. He gets the waiting room. He gets uh,
Speaker 1: because they come back. Barbara comes back on the big
Speaker 1: sandworm snake and it crashes through the ceiling and feminist icon,
Speaker 1: the big snake, feminist icon, big snake. Right. And then
Speaker 1: at the end, the Maitlands and the Diets has learned
Speaker 1: to coexist. They just live in a hat in the house. Altogether.
Speaker 1: It's one big, happy family. That's the weirdest part. That's
Speaker 1: that's the weirdest part of the movie Commune. Not not
Speaker 1: that hundred and something you're all dead man tries to
Speaker 1: marry a teenager, or that a worm is a big
Speaker 1: plot point, but that these people are like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: let these ghosts raise our child because they're like, how
Speaker 1: do you do on the math? It's another big fun scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then yeah is up, yeah, up on the wires
Speaker 1: and dancing. That's great. So that's this story. Beetles live
Speaker 1: with them. It's weird that he's the it's weird that
Speaker 1: he's the villain of the movie and he's barely in
Speaker 1: the movie, and it's like you're never rooting for him,
Speaker 1: and he's the title character. And yeah, like it's part
Speaker 1: of why this movie is a bit confusing to me. No,
Speaker 1: I understand it a hundred percent. Yeah, well you're you're sick,
Speaker 1: perfect with a lot of problems. Listen, it took me
Speaker 1: a while to peel off the s off on my face.
Speaker 1: Let me just say, we're usually not this mean to
Speaker 1: our guest. So sorry, No, I've seen this is You
Speaker 1: should see what I've been subjected to in this room.
Speaker 1: It would I also Mike said it looked like I
Speaker 1: woke up in a tree. True, okay, No, I said
Speaker 1: it looked like you slept in a tree. I woke
Speaker 1: up out of the tree. Yeah, you fell out anyway,
Speaker 1: So have I described Jamie's clothes as quote bought by
Speaker 1: the Pound before that was that. I think about that
Speaker 1: like one. That's fine. It all right, let's talk about
Speaker 1: the portrayal of women about in this room. Let's start
Speaker 1: with this room. I think Caitlin's great, thank you, but
Speaker 1: I'm not. You're so the main female character is Barbara,
Speaker 1: and then we've also got Lydia and Delia is the stepmother,
Speaker 1: and then we have a few like secondary characters like
Speaker 1: Juno is the caseworker who has her throat slit open
Speaker 1: and smoke comes out of it. That's a funny. I
Speaker 1: love her in the football team together, Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: great when they keep calling our coach. And then Jane
Speaker 1: Butterfield is like the neighbor who's like trying to get
Speaker 1: them to sell the house. And then as far as
Speaker 1: feminist iconic, who I would say he transcends gender, I
Speaker 1: would say the bel Juice is definitely genderless, genderless icon No,
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, he's a man, and he's a horny
Speaker 1: man and oh god, I don't even know. Of course,
Speaker 1: I pictured like very like painted white with a bunch
Speaker 1: of green scabs all over it. I have to change
Speaker 1: my under to script in Okay is it too much
Speaker 1: to say that. I bet you he comes scabs. That
Speaker 1: too much to say. So that's the perfect in regards
Speaker 1: to coming scabs. So there's beetle Juice in there. Sounds
Speaker 1: day in my head. It's like hitting open a beehive
Speaker 1: with a bat. Let's quit. Beetle Juice is in the
Speaker 1: movie for like twenty minutes. He's usually sexually assaulting a
Speaker 1: woman in some way kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: at very least he's presented as a gross, horny dude. True,
Speaker 1: but we're not supposed to be rooting for him, which
Speaker 1: is a confusing thing about this movie. But he's like
Speaker 1: still I would argue like a beloved character, right, Like
Speaker 1: people are like, I'm already like bees for Halloween. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a rebit of beetle Juice. There was the Beetle Juice
Speaker 1: cartoon which came out. He was a much nicer character,
Speaker 1: and him and Lydia were like friends. Yeah. Beetle Juice
Speaker 1: was sometimes like learn lessons. Yeah, like, well, sometimes I
Speaker 1: guess you have to treat your scaps. Sometimes you share
Speaker 1: your scaps with your friends. Let's not talk about I
Speaker 1: can't stop thinking about beetle Juice coming. You're welcome listeners.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't apologize enough for what this discussion
Speaker 1: has become. I'm sorry I didn't say it sooner. Oh
Speaker 1: excuse me. This is discourse this important. Are here to
Speaker 1: be like what does fiers? We're calling on you know,
Speaker 1: we're not alright. So Beetlejuice, he's sexually assault Sparbara. He
Speaker 1: does a surprise kiss. He's a skirtpeaker. He's there's like
Speaker 1: a part where he all he like kind of fondles
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin and then he turns around and then also
Speaker 1: grabs Barbara. So he's just like fondling them both. And
Speaker 1: he's horny. He's extremely horny. He's at one point, you know,
Speaker 1: builds a whorehouse her words, and then a very sharp
Speaker 1: beetle shoe, very horny beetle juice Shimmy's over to it.
Speaker 1: I forget how does he get sharp? Just holding him
Speaker 1: because he's tiny. He's in like the model town that
Speaker 1: they have in the so she has him, he's tiny,
Speaker 1: and then he just grows spikes and she drops him.
Speaker 1: He has like magic powers because he can just like
Speaker 1: send her to the desert. I feel like there's wearing
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin's clothes all of a sudden point. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of world building in this movie, but also not
Speaker 1: enough because I don't understand, like what the limit of
Speaker 1: what he can do. I don't understand the world. Kind
Speaker 1: of like a genie, right, kind of, except there's no like,
Speaker 1: so it's not like a genie and a bad a
Speaker 1: bad one like Jafar when he becomes a genie at
Speaker 1: the end of the Laddin. Like the Return of Jafar,
Speaker 1: it would be that highly highly underrated sequel, the Return
Speaker 1: of Jaffar. I think it's looking for lone gay icon.
Speaker 1: I'll say it. I think most Disney villains are gay icons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for Scar gay icon. Yeah all, I mean pretty much
Speaker 1: what's his name from Beating the Beast? Gay icon? Nah,
Speaker 1: he's like a fun boy icon. He's still a icon's
Speaker 1: he's an icon, but just feminist icon. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: even know where to begin with this movie. This is
Speaker 1: like a weird one to discuss because Barbara is i'd say,
Speaker 1: plays just as active as a role as Adam does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're not what's they're not like and I don't know,
Speaker 1: but they're the emotional they're like the emotional connection to
Speaker 1: the movie. You want them to not turn into dust. Right. Yeah, there,
Speaker 1: I would argue, like dual protagonists, there's like not one
Speaker 1: more than the other that sort of has like the
Speaker 1: main focal point. I see like they're playing pretty equal parts,
Speaker 1: although I feel like Alec Baldwin's character is maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit more active because he's the one who like
Speaker 1: figures out you have to draw the door, and he's
Speaker 1: the one who's like doing more to try to read
Speaker 1: the book and try to figure out the situation. They're
Speaker 1: both doing like haunting stuff in equal parts. But I
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, if you break it down, like if
Speaker 1: we did like a dialogue breakdown for this one, for sure,
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin would edge give us out. But then at
Speaker 1: the end we get the big feminist icon big snake,
Speaker 1: and so it really says the day. So that's that's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true because Adam just like gets in a little
Speaker 1: car and drives it into Bele Juice foot that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: jumps are so many fun goofs. But yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: Like so Gina David's character kind of safe to day.
Speaker 1: She goes and she harnesses the feminist icon big snake,
Speaker 1: that's what leads to beetlejuices. Denise. Yeah, I thought she
Speaker 1: was kind of like responsive, you know, responsible for the
Speaker 1: big end. Let's talk about Lydia, Okay, okay, kind of
Speaker 1: like I had to follow up thought and I okay,
Speaker 1: So I was looking up because once I was like
Speaker 1: watching clips, I was like, oh, for sure, there's a
Speaker 1: million shitty like listicles about how Lydia is a feminist icon,
Speaker 1: and there are They're all so funny, like my favorite one.
Speaker 1: I found one that was called nine times Lydia deats
Speaker 1: was a nineties feminist hero. First of all, this movie
Speaker 1: came out, you fucking idiot, and sorry for calling out
Speaker 1: this Bustle writer, but Bustles like corporate feminism and I
Speaker 1: don't care. So anyways, they're like Lydia is a feminist
Speaker 1: because she's weird, is a feminist because she doesn't wear
Speaker 1: primary colors. She's a little bit different. So I struggle
Speaker 1: with Lydia. Granted, when I was younger, I thought she
Speaker 1: was the coolest person ever, but I do, like, I
Speaker 1: think that she's just like a weird Tim Burton jerk off,
Speaker 1: like fantasy girl, and and she's acting I mean, like
Speaker 1: as a character. She's she's active and kind of I
Speaker 1: can't even really think of an example of like what
Speaker 1: anything that she does that really influences the direction the
Speaker 1: story takes, or like, well, she becomes like their connection
Speaker 1: to the world, so she's sort of like they're right,
Speaker 1: But I think she's mostly there to just be like
Speaker 1: what's confusing? Well, not that any of these characters feel
Speaker 1: like real people, except for Feminist, Like I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: we all know apart from him, everyone's a very like
Speaker 1: tim Burton esque version of a person. But Lydia especially
Speaker 1: felt one dimensional. And it's just like, oh, she's like
Speaker 1: a teen, a struggling teen, and she's moody but also
Speaker 1: suicidal all of a sudden, and it's like, yeah, she's
Speaker 1: like bring me, Like what are you talking about? She's
Speaker 1: a problem, right, I mean it's like a very weird
Speaker 1: depiction of like mental illness. Certain I don't like, it's
Speaker 1: just it was bizarre that choice. Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: think she's just like she falls into that same buget
Speaker 1: that we talked about over and over and over. It's
Speaker 1: just like she's not like the other girls, but she
Speaker 1: is because she's still conventionally attractive so it's just like
Speaker 1: I don't know Tim Burton's version of that very boring
Speaker 1: constant in movies. Yeah, she's different. She's like the equivalent
Speaker 1: of Julia Roberts fixing a car and my best friend wedding,
Speaker 1: like oh, any woman, nay or runaway right, I don't know, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I still think that she has the best hair in
Speaker 1: the entire world and however happens, and I still want
Speaker 1: to be her, but it also feels like a trick thought.
Speaker 1: I feel like the only the only big part of
Speaker 1: like feminist incap he Mike literally texted me several hours
Speaker 1: ago and requested that I asked to be called it
Speaker 1: the entire time, but I'll take it this. But I
Speaker 1: think the only part where where Lydia's character is like
Speaker 1: really part of the storyline is right at the end
Speaker 1: when they're like about to die and Beetlejuice is there
Speaker 1: and Adam and Barbara both like, we have to save
Speaker 1: this little girl, and it's also like, well, is she
Speaker 1: not that little? It was like weird that they like
Speaker 1: that they like, I don't know, categorize her as like
Speaker 1: this little girl's like, well, she's like a teenager, and
Speaker 1: but I don't know, but it was. Yeah, her character
Speaker 1: is very like the more I thought about it was
Speaker 1: more like she's just always like watch out coming and
Speaker 1: she says like there to tell Adam and Barba that
Speaker 1: her parents are walking up the stairs. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what her character does. She could be written out of
Speaker 1: this movie except for the last beat, where like she
Speaker 1: becomes relevant to the plot only when she's being forced
Speaker 1: to marry a corpse like which I've found it interesting
Speaker 1: that she didn't try to put up more of a fight,
Speaker 1: like because he was just like we're getting married, and
Speaker 1: she's like, well, I think he like casts some weird spell.
Speaker 1: Like she was like trying to say no and like
Speaker 1: you maybe say his name and he like cast that
Speaker 1: weird spell on her and then he was talking through
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, oh yeah, but yeah. Yeah. There's in that
Speaker 1: whole scene it's kind of jarring to watch because there's
Speaker 1: so many like people taking two steps and then be like, hey,
Speaker 1: don't do that. I'm like keep walking, what do you do?
Speaker 1: Stop the wedding? But they stand in place and then
Speaker 1: be able just like IM gonna put a steel plant
Speaker 1: in your mouth. Like there's there's there was some yeah,
Speaker 1: all someone has to do is say, just reatle juice,
Speaker 1: which is people they can't like it takes some decades
Speaker 1: to do it. The stairs one, okay, let's try and
Speaker 1: one two more times and then and then he gets them.
Speaker 1: He gets them with his weirders that we don't know
Speaker 1: the rules. I'm now we sure don't. The scene where
Speaker 1: he makes Lydia try to guess his name is out
Speaker 1: of control because he immediately shows that he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll show you, let's play shards. And then he shows
Speaker 1: her a beetle and she goes beetle and then he
Speaker 1: shows her orange juice, and she goes for breakfast like
Speaker 1: I would immediately be like bug, like I wouldn't go
Speaker 1: do exactly what kind of bug it was, and then
Speaker 1: not know what And great product placement to Mini made
Speaker 1: you gotta listen, who else is gonna pay for those
Speaker 1: big spikes and snakes other than made orange juice? Who's
Speaker 1: gonna make beetle juice? Pointy, you got to ask the
Speaker 1: big business questions. Yeah, that movie is definitely in the
Speaker 1: pocket of Big Orange. Feminist ion Big Orange. Every time,
Speaker 1: every time Bald juices on the screen, there's a very
Speaker 1: gratuitous use of like fun sound effects. There's a literal
Speaker 1: boying at one plane. There's a boy in this movie.
Speaker 1: It does was like a high amount of Danny Elfman strings.
Speaker 1: I love Danny Elfman score. Though, Oh Boy, Spiderman, Spider
Speaker 1: Man and Men in Black Wild and several. Back to
Speaker 1: School is a really good one. I've never seen the movie.
Speaker 1: I don't think it would fare very well on this
Speaker 1: podcast most movies, but I think it's a good movie.
Speaker 1: I guess like the main points I have for the
Speaker 1: movie is that, like it's weird that most of the
Speaker 1: time you just see beetle Juice on screen he is
Speaker 1: sexually assaulting one of the female characters or forcing them
Speaker 1: well the whole thing. So and then and then like
Speaker 1: in a stanker like he's just veryone's like a beetle Juice.
Speaker 1: It's what he does. He's gonna hunk your boob. He
Speaker 1: come up and he's gonna hunk you. And that's what
Speaker 1: beetle Juice does. And everyone's like that's not cool, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna do well. It's all about complacentness
Speaker 1: and the beetle Well, so the reason that he needs
Speaker 1: Lydia to marry him. Is that he's like, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like a tourist. He's basically needs like a green card.
Speaker 1: But it seems like he, well, we don't understand the
Speaker 1: rules of this world very well. Yeah, whatever needs because
Speaker 1: he can be summoned and he can like live among
Speaker 1: these people. So what does he want exactly? Does he
Speaker 1: want to be able to like live among the living
Speaker 1: like what? Anyway? Sometimes it just sounds like I'm bored
Speaker 1: and I would rather not be here. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he wants to get out, just like wreak havoc on
Speaker 1: the world. Look up more skirts. There's so many skirts
Speaker 1: down in the world, that's true. Lots of skirts to
Speaker 1: pick up for this old scap, my dad says before
Speaker 1: the house. Every more, I just remember somebody's skirts to
Speaker 1: peak up out there for this old scaph god. Anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's just like, I gotta marry this teenage girl.
Speaker 1: Why doesn't he try to marry Barbara or some interesting criticism? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well why not? Why not? Why not? Kately? Why isn't he?
Speaker 1: I think when he first is brought out, he immediately
Speaker 1: asked Alec Baldwin if his marriage is going well, that's true,
Speaker 1: he's closing. But the thing is Beetle Juice. You know
Speaker 1: he wants to lock it down, isn't He's rude. I
Speaker 1: think Beetlejuice is. Beetlejuice is the original pickup artist. I
Speaker 1: think he started of negging people mystery from the TV
Speaker 1: show Pickup Artists. One of the feminist Nine Reasons nineties icon.
Speaker 1: Beetle Juice is a is a feminist pickup artist. He
Speaker 1: uses your voice to marry you. Yeah, he takes away
Speaker 1: your voice and speaks for you. He did not lip
Speaker 1: sink that very well either, because, like Michael Keaton has
Speaker 1: a lot of skills, I don't know if lip sinking
Speaker 1: is one of them. He's amazing in this movie. He's
Speaker 1: so good, he's it's great. There's never I feel like
Speaker 1: this movie could only work with Michael Keaton as the character.
Speaker 1: I feel like most other people are so like he's
Speaker 1: so charming that you're like, oh, Beetle Juice, you scamp.
Speaker 1: But if it was like someone else to be like,
Speaker 1: this guy needs to go to demon jail wherever. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: your test, the Steve Bushey test test. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think you might be able to do it. I
Speaker 1: don't know. To play Beetle Juice like not, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the same. But I think you could have done Yeah,
Speaker 1: Billina could not do this part. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of Michael Keaton's lines were yeah, that's true, if you wanted.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. I still don't know
Speaker 1: who he is. Shut up, I don't know who he is.
Speaker 1: I feel sick you've seen because I don't have I seen.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, if I've seen Spiderman shift,
Speaker 1: do you have you've seen Beetle Juice two hundreds? I
Speaker 1: mean two hundred might be an exaggeration, but I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot. And I have seen Spider Man too, probably
Speaker 1: zero times. It's a classic. I sew Spider Man three weird.
Speaker 1: That's bad. That was a bad one. Son. In the theater,
Speaker 1: the dancing is really I love the dancing. And over grace,
Speaker 1: where's that guy? He's probably trying to find the rest
Speaker 1: of his name. Where's Haley Joelasmand? There? Actually I know
Speaker 1: Jabs the Coole days ago. Haley Joelasmand was near a
Speaker 1: herd of cattle, and it's like, where are you? Can
Speaker 1: I come? I'm so Scara heard of cattle. Recently, I
Speaker 1: was in Pennsylvania visiting my mom, and there's I saw llamas,
Speaker 1: I saw cows, I saw horses just in field around.
Speaker 1: I didn't we were not at the same cow field.
Speaker 1: And I guess what's the point. I know, Hey, let's
Speaker 1: talk about whether this movie passes the Bechel tests. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: is and yeah, let's talk about it or yeah, isn't yet?
Speaker 1: Does I think it does? I think it does too,
Speaker 1: It does. Yeah. I was really keeping an eye out.
Speaker 1: I was like, I picked this and I really hope
Speaker 1: it does. Everything's riding on this. Yeah, and it does.
Speaker 1: And right away, like the Jane Butterfield character comes up
Speaker 1: to the house and she's like, I found a family
Speaker 1: who wants to buy this from you, and Da da da,
Speaker 1: and she's like, go away, Jane. There's a lot of Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like it passes a lot of
Speaker 1: times for a movie that has prominent scab man skirt peak,
Speaker 1: Teenager is an undead sexual assailant, just to prove that
Speaker 1: it is a flawed system because it passes many times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like every time Barbara and Juno talk, right, it's like
Speaker 1: they're just talking about like you gotta be better at
Speaker 1: being dead whatever she talks about throat. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: look up that actress, young, total hottie. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to know. I wonder what the woman who works behind,
Speaker 1: like the woman who plays the receptionist in the one
Speaker 1: who's like, too bad, I slip my rest. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: my little accident, and I want to I should have
Speaker 1: looked up who that is because I was like, you're
Speaker 1: like fun. Yeah. And then there's a lady who's like
Speaker 1: saw it in half. You see her torso sitting and
Speaker 1: then is her legs Yeah, and Beetle Juice tries to
Speaker 1: grab her leg and then her top half slaps him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's not doing great. Yeah yeah, but she's she's
Speaker 1: she's only only womanho stuck up for herself in this
Speaker 1: movie against Beetle Geese until he gets eaten by feminist iconpics.
Speaker 1: It's crazy to just see like two feminist icons in
Speaker 1: the same scene together and one gets eaten by Also
Speaker 1: scenes where Lydia talks to her step mom and sees
Speaker 1: where Barbara talks to Lydia a lot of times like
Speaker 1: there are men in the room when that happens, but
Speaker 1: it's like isolated conversations between two women that passed its handily.
Speaker 1: I feel like if you had a dialogue breakdown, I
Speaker 1: think there might in this movie. It might be that
Speaker 1: women talk more than men, because I feel like there's
Speaker 1: more prominent female characters in the in the movie, Like
Speaker 1: the male characters that like have a bunch of lines
Speaker 1: are Alec Baldwin, the Dad, and Otho and Beetle Juice
Speaker 1: probably is behind all of them because he's barely there.
Speaker 1: And then it's like because then you have like big,
Speaker 1: like big monologues from Juno. You have the lady in
Speaker 1: the reception, and then you have like Barbara and Catherine
Speaker 1: O'Hara and Lydia like all yeah, and you have like
Speaker 1: all the people from the party, but none of them
Speaker 1: really talk. They'll just kind of like to sit there.
Speaker 1: And then that was me to that woman that he
Speaker 1: brought for some reason, like so much we didn't really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hated him as a kid as a kid because
Speaker 1: I was like he's trying to ruin the house that
Speaker 1: these people love. And then now I'm like he's like
Speaker 1: a funny character. He's fun he's a great dancer. There's
Speaker 1: a scene where Lydia is talking to something about ghosts,
Speaker 1: and then Delia is like, my agent Bernard is coming
Speaker 1: for the dinner party, not to be confused with Bernard
Speaker 1: Bernard from Spider Man Too. I really got to watch this.
Speaker 1: I'll describe it to you. There's this great seed that
Speaker 1: James Franco's in in Spider Man Too, where they're trying
Speaker 1: to replicate the magic between Batman and his butler Michael Caine,
Speaker 1: but it's James Frego and his butler Bernard and Bernard Enters.
Speaker 1: It's the only line he had in the whole movie.
Speaker 1: He's out of focus and he says, so your father
Speaker 1: only obsessed over his work, right, Yeah, And then James
Speaker 1: Franco said, good night Bernard, who James Franco play in
Speaker 1: Spider Man Harry best best friend. But it's complicated because
Speaker 1: he's Spider Man. Let's talk about anyways, what if Spider
Speaker 1: Man starting? It's complicated. Another Alex Balban joint. One of
Speaker 1: the only movies my father has ever talked to me about.
Speaker 1: It's a movie about divorce. What do you think is
Speaker 1: going to yeah? Just yeah. When you get divorced, all
Speaker 1: you want to do is see other media about divorce.
Speaker 1: You know, you'd like to see yourself and the things
Speaker 1: you watch. It's complicated, so he only watches it's complicated
Speaker 1: and Blue Crush, Yeah, the surf moviescing No, I think
Speaker 1: he's just like Surfing's great. Hey, let's write the movie
Speaker 1: on our nipple scale. Okay, so we write the movie
Speaker 1: on a scale of zero to five nipples based on
Speaker 1: its portrayal of women. So I'm going to give it.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, again, this is a tough one. I mean,
Speaker 1: just thinking back to all the discourse we had about Scabby,
Speaker 1: Come my daughter. Yes, the guy who's like a tonic
Speaker 1: sales means like Scabby, come here to tell you about
Speaker 1: this new Tonic I've made up. Don't come and just scare.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I brought it up again. He's a little
Speaker 1: bit on the nose of the sales. I'm gonna give it,
Speaker 1: I guess two and a half nipples because there are
Speaker 1: a lot of pretty significant roles for women. They're all
Speaker 1: mostly playing a pretty active role in the story and
Speaker 1: the narrative to like move it forward, I'd say probably
Speaker 1: just as much as any of the male characters. Is
Speaker 1: concerning to me that pretty much anytime build juices on screen,
Speaker 1: he is sexually assaulting the nearest female character, and while
Speaker 1: the other characters are like, oh, you're a pervert, he's gross,
Speaker 1: he's bad us as a as a society, or like,
Speaker 1: he's funny, he's funny, he's fine. I like him. His
Speaker 1: penis looks like it's pretty much just us. But now
Speaker 1: we've put that question on Oh my god, they're so okay,
Speaker 1: look it up. Okay. So yeah, So two and a
Speaker 1: half nipples, just because I'm not really sure what to
Speaker 1: make of this movie, and the nipples belong to the
Speaker 1: dog that they have to avoid crashing into dog them
Speaker 1: the dog that kills them, and they have to swerve
Speaker 1: to miss the dog, and they crash and go over
Speaker 1: a bridge. So that dog, which I'm guessing has eight nipples,
Speaker 1: because if a dog is anything like a cat, it
Speaker 1: has eight nipples. This has been cat facts with Caitlin.
Speaker 1: So two and a half nipples, and they belonged to
Speaker 1: the shaggy dog that dog killed them. He was on
Speaker 1: a board that was holding up the car and then
Speaker 1: he jumped off, and that just proves my point that
Speaker 1: I've made over the years that every dog is rude.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that fall would not have killed it.
Speaker 1: Was such a short fall. Yeah, it was like I've
Speaker 1: jumped off of things into water that high and I'm
Speaker 1: still here. Yeah, they could have escaped that car. Yeah
Speaker 1: they don't. I don't believe that they died. I just
Speaker 1: think they didn't want to live anymore. They just they
Speaker 1: hit the water and they immediately were like, well, we've
Speaker 1: resigned to this now. Guys in this field guicerratic fan
Speaker 1: fiction I've been reading while you've been having this conversation.
Speaker 1: He's referred to as beach. Beach just eyes buled out
Speaker 1: of his head at the look of Lydia's corset. Oh,
Speaker 1: I want him to big snake. I wanted to have
Speaker 1: sex with big him. Yeah. Yeah, goes stir right through
Speaker 1: beetle juice, but beetle juice exploded spikes, which is the
Speaker 1: way that he comes. Okay, I'm gonna give it. Sorry,
Speaker 1: that was like a very intense fan fact. Well link it,
Speaker 1: Lincoln description this disgusting fan fiction. Just kidding, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to give it. I'm gonna give it to I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give it two nippies for for all the reasons
Speaker 1: you described. But it's I don't know, like I wish
Speaker 1: Jeanne Davis's character was more active. I think that mine
Speaker 1: is the end. You could totally write out when on
Speaker 1: a writer out of this movie and it would not
Speaker 1: make that much of a difference. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of female characters, but not all of them are important
Speaker 1: enough to the plot. Be Juice feminist icon though, and
Speaker 1: that's important. It's I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we got a feminist icon out of this movie, and
Speaker 1: what more could you ask for? Well, part, I mean
Speaker 1: the movie if you isolate the conflict, which is that
Speaker 1: they don't want these people in their house. They need
Speaker 1: Beetle Juices help, but as soon as they get it,
Speaker 1: they don't want it anymore. And then it's like a
Speaker 1: matter of getting rid of I don't know, like all
Speaker 1: over the place. Yeah, the story is I think the
Speaker 1: problem was like maybe because the female characters aren't as
Speaker 1: like active as we'd like them to be. Is because
Speaker 1: like the narrative is bananas and like not that well constructed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you heard it here first from Caitlin and her really
Speaker 1: good opinions. Do you have two degrees? I have two
Speaker 1: degrees in one of them is a master's in screen
Speaker 1: running from Boston university. Uh, all of you who are
Speaker 1: like show us your degree. I don't have to show
Speaker 1: you anything. I have nine degrees. No, I don't believe
Speaker 1: you believe me. All of them are in film. I
Speaker 1: got them from various universities, nine different ones. To be exact,
Speaker 1: I went to college. So I'm gonna give this. It's hard.
Speaker 1: From zero to five. I feel like three is too generous,
Speaker 1: but I want to say three because I feel like
Speaker 1: most of the male characters are in the movie are
Speaker 1: very passive, like other than wanting to turn to buy
Speaker 1: the whole town and turn it into an amusement park
Speaker 1: the Confines of Death. Yeah, but just like I mean,
Speaker 1: like but like the Father, he literally just like sits
Speaker 1: in a room for most of the of the movie.
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, the conflict is that, like Delia wants
Speaker 1: to like redo the house. So it's like I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of her push. She's pushing the conflict more
Speaker 1: way more than he is. But other than that, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think like Barbara and Adam are like very even.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like he is kind of like being like,
Speaker 1: oh did you draw the door and knock on it?
Speaker 1: But She's like we got to read the book, like
Speaker 1: she's like pushing for them to do the stuff. So
Speaker 1: it's like, I feel like it's pretty even, and I
Speaker 1: feel like, really the movie is a vehicle for Tim
Speaker 1: Burton painting people's faces with scabs. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: mostly that and mostly him building little tiny models of towns.
Speaker 1: Tiny head, feminist icon, tiny head feminist icon, feminist icon,
Speaker 1: woman's legs. There's a lot of feminist icons in this movie.
Speaker 1: This Woman of Hollywood literally feminist icon. Football team. There's
Speaker 1: so many team and I'm gonna I'm gonna so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say three because I because you never know and
Speaker 1: it's never said, And I'm just gonna say that big
Speaker 1: Snake is a woman what very easily could be No
Speaker 1: what you know what? You can't tell just by looking
Speaker 1: at him. Who are you giving your nipples to? I'm
Speaker 1: going to put those three nipples on, but two fur
Speaker 1: eyes and then one in the middle of the head. Okay, yeah, snake, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my my nipples are penises and their beel juice, And
Speaker 1: I think we should end the episode. Can my nipples
Speaker 1: be the nipples of the woman in total recall that
Speaker 1: has three boobs? Okay, well you know it's always great
Speaker 1: to ask yes because I sent this ramission. So Mike,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. You for doing this.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you online? I'm at Michael Brucey
Speaker 1: on all the social media and I have a website
Speaker 1: micro dot com that I have never updated, so it's pointless.
Speaker 1: But it is made on Wicks. I knew it, and
Speaker 1: it's free, and it tells you that it's made on
Speaker 1: Wicks because I'm not going to pay money for it
Speaker 1: to not say that I knew it, of course. And
Speaker 1: shout out to Lave who are recording for us. What's
Speaker 1: the name of your podcast network again? The brain Machine
Speaker 1: Network to brain Machine Comedy dot com. Hell yeah, gotta
Speaker 1: check out brain Machine Comedy dot com. Although Mike did
Speaker 1: suggest that it should be rebrand it is life Little Podcast.
Speaker 1: I think you should be called this little Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: all for it. You heard it here first. Thank you
Speaker 1: again for having us here. Thanks for being here. You
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Speaker 1: That'll that's it. That'll do beetle juice. Beetle juice, beetle juice,
Speaker 1: Come scabs,